but the other rule is respect each others culture
#⚓・contact-staff
foggy sinew
low vortex
Who knows, maybe there's a country where porn is socially acceptable for kids
foggy sinew
if i call someone dumb
im disrespecting
but im not disrespecting their culture
that doesnt fall under that rule
there is no rule for that
low vortex
And you'd get a minor warning for that, just as pubi did for similar comments
However, when he was warned, his reply was things like "shut up, I wasn't taking to you"
Over and over and over
Warning after warning after warning
dim turret
really
foggy sinew
just make the rule and theres reason to warn someone
and theres reason to ban them
if theres no rule theres no reason to follow it
low vortex
Everybody disagrees that it isn't clearly implied (except the people who want to be disrespectful and don't want to deal with the consequences)
foggy sinew
because its not there
haughty goblet
wtf thats the dumbest thing ever
haughty goblet
if theres no rule that doesnt mean you can just do whatever the hell you want
dim turret
you mentioned social rules
haughty goblet
its called common sense
haughty goblet
be respectable to others is something everyone should do
low vortex
But again, well reword the rule for you. That has been decided and is a closed issue
dim turret
they get you outed of social groups
haughty goblet
ok we will modify the rules just for you
foggy sinew
but this is a server!
haughty goblet
thank you for your input
dim turret
yes
foggy sinew
not a clique!
foggy sinew
ok
btw @dim turret if i disrespected someone i wouldnt be outted of my social group, that person just wouldn't wanna talk to me
haughty goblet
also since you want me to follow the rules, @foggy sinew
Please only use @Mods to report something that needs immediate attention, such a user harassing you or a person spamming in a voice channel
please dont ping mods for something like this discussion. we check this channel regularly so you can just wait till we see your message
foggy sinew
that’s fine
thick aurora
bleak plover
Pasamelo por pi
haughty goblet
Not really accurate since we represent all varieties of English and Spanish
neat pasture
i know lmao
barren mortar
You just said it’s accurate, though
neat pasture
in terms of terminology yes
so your icon should include all english speaking and spanish speaking countries then?
barren mortar
Not really since Castillian doesn’t represent all varieties of Spanish
haughty goblet
neat pasture
but... but it does
barren mortar
Nope
neat pasture
plenty of people all over the world call it castellano
barren mortar
Castilian dialect, Spanish Castellano, a dialect of the Spanish language (q.v.), the basis of modern standard Spanish. Originally the local dialect of Cantabria in north central Spain, Castilian spread to Castile. After the merger of the kingdoms
low vortex
I think castellano refers to the dialect spoken in Spain.
barren mortar
It does
It is also often used to make a distinction between Spanish of Spain and Spanish of Latin America
bleak kettle
en mi liceo nuestra clase se llamaba castellano
full quartz
^
low vortex
Yes, but I still fail to see why that means using the word castellano is more accurate
full quartz
I hope Dublin is just trolling tbh xD
low vortex
But if you're going to be pedantic, at least be correct.
astral jasper
Jajajajajaja
low vortex
Haha well at least that is correct
neat pasture
that's... that's my point
low vortex
Alright, if you want to keep discussing it, let's go to a different channel, though
neat pasture
astral jasper
What are you rules for when you decide to put a slow timer on #☕・general (and other channels)?
It doesn't always come off as helpful for some people. Is there a way to get people on the same page?
haughty goblet
its up to the mods discretion
if the chat is moving so fast its hard to read for people who are not completely comfortable with the language then we may choose to put it into slowmode
also if there is excesive spamming and or trolling we can also put it into slow mode
in other words use common sense and maybe move to an open channel to chat with people if its already busy in a certain channel and dont join in on trolling behaviour
astral jasper
Do you think it would be valuable to offer an explanation for why a channel gets slowed when a mod slows it?
I don't know if this could be neatly aided with the help of a bot or something.
haughty goblet
Honestly we expect people to just use common sense. If people were shit posting and the chat was moving fast and the channel is put in slow mode then maybe you can infer that it's because of the shit posting
lusty schooner
Thank you for all your hard work, mods 
👍
flat chasmBOT
🆙 | JP 🌿 leveled up!
haughty goblet
Thanks JP
astral jasper
I'm not so sure the people in the conversations always view at as shit posting.
But I wouldn't say they lack common sense either.
astral jasper
Are there any female moderators?
full quartz
Serene, Kitty and Amaroq
low vortex
That's not all of them!
full quartz
.inrole Admin
vital ruinBOT
low vortex
Yes
low vortex
Haha yes, you got it
neat pasture
hmm why isn't laurens on that list?
vital ruinBOT
low vortex
A mystery
neat pasture
why do some mods have a purple "admin" role while others have a grey one?
you have both, for example
maybe laurens has the other admin role?
low vortex
I'm not sure
dreamy folio
Because there's two admin roles
One purple and one grey
They're the exact same, except one is purple and one is grey
It's just to allow the admins to choose their color
neat pasture
if they both have the same name, how can you do ".inrole admin" for both of them?
the command will always list one role
so there's no way to find out who has the other one since its name is identical
bleak plover
They are free to choose between 2 colors, and we only have the color of our native language
Mod privileges
Nah, it is a joke. Ik it is for distinguise people
coarse acorn
I saw pubi asking about slowmode
the explanation makes sense
I think it would be good for there to maybe be a policy of, when implementing slowmode, sending a message to the chat to briefly explain why it's been turned on
cause there have been times when slowmode has been on and people just get really upset bc they don't see why it's necessary and it seems like the mod just randomly did it because... idk why
wow I used 3 different ways to say "because" B)
astral jasper
^^^^^
sweet heart
I agree the slowmode is frustrating but I also feel like people are just complaining over nothing
It does get a little out of hand
astral jasper
Just to be on the same page, I wasn't complaining, just noting the issue and a potentially simple solution with a bot that slows & explains.
lusty schooner
remember that mods are doing this for free 😂
haughty goblet
lets keep this channel on topic guys please
dreamy folio
a) The fact that we're doing this for free doesn't really matter I think. We should still be doing the best we can
b) I agree that if we use slow mode, we should explain to the chat why we turned it on.
astral jasper
Hey, so, what are people supposed to do when they see someone saying things like "faggot" or "negro" and stuff in the server?
My usual strategy is to reflect the sentiment and tone of what comes my way. But that might not be best.
So what should happen instead?
low vortex
Thanks for asking! You can ping @ mods and we'll make sure to delete the message, warn the user, and record the incident to make sure they're not a repeat offender.
if it's someplace like general that goes fast or maybe you don't want to ping the mods openly, you can always screenshot it and use ;report to file a report to the mods that can't be seen by any other user
barren mortar
And please be sure to use @lime falcon ‘s report module to report such behaviour to us.
low vortex
I don't either honestly, pretty sure you just type ;report
yeah apparently that's what you do
low vortex
no, you type ;report
astral jasper
report Did this work?
barren mortar
No
astral jasper
report; Did this work?
astral jasper
okay, but then what does it report?
low vortex
oh maybe you do need a message
barren mortar
You make a report
dim turret
no
low vortex
because it deleted your ;report but nothing got sent to the report
barren mortar
Either anonymously or not
low vortex
ohhh
astral jasper
oh
barren mortar
Yeah
astral jasper
lol
barren mortar
It explains everything in the DMs
tulip wing
; antes de la palabra?
low vortex
yes
barren mortar
Espera
astral jasper
muchas grz
tulip wing
dfghjk
barren mortar
Ok sí
astral jasper
lmfao.
low vortex
haha
barren mortar
Ok let’s not get off-topic
tulip wing
ajá
barren mortar
So everyone reads about that command
low vortex
hahaha
astral jasper
quizas dale en la reglas?
dreamy folio
Ok I've added it into the rules
See the full explanation here: https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/243838819743432704/243859144962998272/492210726577111041
Or just try typing ;report and see what happens (you can cancel the report after you type ;report still)
coarse acorn
hey @dreamy folio could you please add in #📜・rules that the bot doesn't message u unless you have "permitir mensajes directos de los miembros del servidor" toggled (srry idk what it says in English)
oh perhaps i ought not to have mentioned you
sorry
dreamy folio
its ok
mentions are fine at any time
my client is in japanese so I dont know what it is in English either lol
I just wrote something that probably is close
updated now
good suggestion
coarse acorn
okay. thank you.
dreamy folio
i just hope people use it lol
that feature
I worked hard to make it and barely anyone uses it haha
coarse acorn
ppl might be scared to use it
coarse acorn
i trust you guys but when i first was told about it i was like "but what if people see that i made a report!!" bc im just Like That, so maybe other ppl also have doubts?
dreamy folio
You mean like if they see you typed ;report?
dreamy folio
Yeah it gets deleted in like 0.25 seconds, but you can also directly message the bot
Messaging the bot with ;report actually does the same thing
coarse acorn
ooh cool
bleak plover
Only admins can see the report?
dreamy folio
Yes
coarse acorn
maybe you could include a bit more relevant info abt the bot in #📜・rules … or something… i get that it might kind of clog it up tho
bleak plover
What if u report an admin
coarse acorn
oh
you can send the report anonymously but im p sure all the admins still see it
tho they don't know who it's from
bleak plover
Another thing
Since this server is for eng-spn
Why dont writhe the rules in spanish
I understand them
dreamy folio
dreamy folio
No you bring up a good point
People might only see #📜・rules
Maybe we can put the same emoji before both of them
Like
\🚩
bleak plover
Uhhn
dreamy folio
this for example
coarse acorn
that seems good
also can you change the name of this emoji :blobthinkingcry: to :thinkcry:
unless it should stay within the apparent blob naming parameters of having blob in the name of blob emojis
dreamy folio
I certainly can
I don't know if most people would agree with the change or not though
I like thinkcry
yeah
Anyone oppose?
: :blobthinkingcry: --> :thinkcry:
it's worth mentioning mag made the emoji so they get bonus points for their opinion lol
sweet heart
The point of the blobX or GWX naming thing is so that similar styles are grouped together in the emoji prompt. So like if you wanna do a blob emoji all the blobs are in one spot. Also helps if you can't remember the name of the emoji but remember it's a blob emoji
coarse acorn
i see
but it IS a think emoji
and all the think emojis are grouped together
furthermore, with 
its thinkingness is more important than its blobness
also neither 
nor 
nor 
nor 
have blob in the name
also can we change this one 
to :blobvore:
rocky linden
blobnom is so cute tho
coarse acorn
(I was just kidding for that one)
anyway, i'm okay with :blobthinkcry:
I mostly just don't like the ing
rocky linden
o woops
coarse acorn
this is 🤔 and none of the other think emojis have "ing" in them
sweet heart
I'm fine with the rename I was just offering a counterpoint
neat pasture
🤔
coarse acorn
good! I was offering 3 counter-counterpoints.
dreamy folio
ok its blobthinkcry
flat chasmBOT
🆙 | Ryry013 leveled up!
sweet heart
Nice work gang
dreamy folio
also i'll add the emoji to rules
mods seemed cool with that
now which is better
coarse acorn
i like the first one but only bc im used to it
also i think it makes sense for the channel u first appear in to be at the top
so in order of how much i like those i'd say 1, 3, 2
dim turret
same
dreamy folio
cool i'm the same
3 only exists because I thought some people might find it visually displeasing to have no emojis --> emojis --> no emojis
sweet heart
M is the new sheriff round the parts
dreamy folio
a crazy idea would be to take out welcome/introductions and put them in their own category between information and chatter
then the emojis are cleaner, and also the channels are a bit easier to understand
less missed/overlooked channels
coarse acorn
that is a crazy idea
i like it tho
as long as u put "new_users" above "information"
astral jasper
*Maybe put the "New Users" above everything else that way it can be neatly ignored by the people who have been here longer?
sweet heart
Maybe we're overengineering this
coarse acorn
no because it makes sense for the first channel you come into to be at the top lol
have you no sense of order??!
sweet heart
I think the way it is, but with introductions underneath welcome makes sense
low vortex
What about this? "New users" can have welcome, introductions, and rules (because new users should read the rules), and the and be another category for the channels "notifications" (where the mods talk to users) and "message a mod" (where users talk to mods)
dreamy folio
Ah so a category dedicated to the new users. “If you are a new user, you should first focus on these channels, and then you can move to the other categories”, being welcome intro and rules
I like it
Also there’s no such thing as overengineering
When it comes to server organization, we should put as much thought into it as we need (within reasonable extents) to get our best attempt at something that looks good
sweet heart
Well if you don't think there's such a thing as overthinking something, I'm afraid you won't agree with me until you see it for yourself
dreamy folio
Oh I’ve seen overthinking on discord, I just don’t think we’ve reached it here yet lol
But anyway let’s stay on topic here
astral jasper
Thank you for all your hard work, mods 👍
dreamy folio
Ok how's this layout?
low vortex
I like it
astral jasper
Me too
rotund chasm
make a study channel 👀
astral jasper
^ 10-out-of-10 Agree
barren mortar
How would it work? We already have a channel where Spanish exercises are posted.
low vortex
In other words, what is currently lacking that this channel would provide?
astral jasper
A voice channel where people study, but are in a vc.
I've seen a few servers do this.
There's a Japanese server that does this - @dreamy folio is in this server.
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In practice, people usually aren't so social in this channel outside of making the occasional comment or reflection on their/someone else's study topic. I've observed that a lot of people prefer the socialness of Discord over a more slower-paced, boring set of interactions off of Discord. But they still want to study. I've seen that people leave servers/Discord because they need to focus. But I think this balance may be helpful as an "in-between".
-
As far as I know, there's not a particular device or moderation of the channel outside of the members following it's rules & the mods enforcing them. Maybe bots aren't allowed to join the channel to limit trolling & music in the channel.
-
In terms of a hypothetical "could it work", this server has a karaoke channel & a debate channel.
They do get used for other things now and then. I imagine that probably happening in a study channel.
But I have observed members of the server being self-regulating enough to direct conversations to those channels when they reach a certain point/theme.
low vortex
But what about maximum 5 or whatever?
low vortex
well I'm not saying that you have to. I'm just trying to understand what is currently missing from the current set up
dreamy folio
The study room channel on the Japanese server is meant to be a bit more of a serious channel where people go when they want to focus on studying rather than socialize. Like, I assume the people in English General right now are just socializing about whatever, not actively studying something. Is this kind of what you're going for?
astral jasper
Yes.
low vortex
I guess I don't really understand why somebody would go into the "study channel"
is it to study with their friends?
astral jasper
Do you mean "con mis amigos" or "cerca mis amigos"?
Because like, I think people can study with ppl irl sometimes though not always. That may entail studying the same material. Or it may mean just being in the vicinity of each other ( "social" in a broad sense ), but also studying/primarily focused on some other thing.
But in this case, it's a channel for that with online ppl instead of irl.
dreamy folio
If people agree they want to study something, they join that channel, and then if other people see people in that channel, they know that they're seriously studying something and they can join that if they're interested, versus if they only are interested in socializing, then they might theoretically avoid joining and not bother them
low vortex
Ah I understand now. I can see how it would be useful
coarse acorn
i think that'd be cool and i might use it but i'm slightly indifferent to whether or not it exists
i come on here to procrastinate allll the time tho so it might be useful for me
bleak kettle
^ i agree
astral jasper
I just checked out the new member process. When you return, you can see all the stuff ppl have said prior in the #🙋・welcome channel. Idk if the mods care, but I know other servers have it where the channel clears once a member agrees/gets initial access to the rest of the server.
Because you have multiple roles a user can sign for when joining the server for the first time, not sure if it makes sense to clear the channel - maybe over so many hours or something.
Just a thought and observation though.
dreamy folio
I think it’s helpful to be able to view message history so you can see examples of how other users have assigned their roles
As for taking away permission to view the channel after you’ve assigned a role,
a) some people like to welcome people personally when they join, so this would disallow them from doing that
b) lots of people assign multiple language roles, so taking away permission would make it awkward to assign all of them
Not sure exactly which your suggestion is pointing to
Or if by “clear the channel” you mean literally “delete all the messages”, sometimes it’s helpful to look back on the old messages in the channel, so we’d rather not do that.
Also, thank you for your attention to detail and many suggestions in this channel in the last few days. I appreciate your efforts to try to improve the server @astral jasper
astral jasper
ofc. & tyty
low vortex
No joke, pubi has stepped up his game
astral jasper
which bot can i use to choose or generate a random number?
why do we have so many bots lol
bleak plover
What's the point of the "Maximum 1" vc?
dreamy folio
i... don't actually know why that exists
lol
also each bot is mostly kind of unique
astral jasper
can any bot generate random numbers?
dreamy folio
numbers exactly no but tatsumaki can make choices for you
although nadeko's commands are extensive I wouldn't be surprised if something was added since last I checked
t!choose 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10
flat chasmBOT
🤔 | Ryry013, I pick 5!
dreamy folio
¯_(ツ)_/¯
astral jasper
there should be a guide to using the bots
dreamy folio
that's up to you
just search "nadeko commands"
nothing explains it better than that
astral jasper
i mean presumably the person who invited the bots onto the server knows what they're for
i mean just a one or two sentence description of what each bot is for
dreamy folio
I mean like I know what they're all for but wha tkind of information -- ah
astral jasper
and then individually yeah we can look up the commands
astral jasper
currently i would have to look up commands for every bot, and then see if any of those commands are what i'm interested in
and i don'ot even know how to look up commands for each bot
dreamy folio
canti can make private voice channels
i'll pin instructions for that in voice
fredsito and ayana both are music bots for voice
two in case one goes down/is laggy
kotoba is a dictionary bot
mee6 used to be our welcome bot, now just serves as general commands although imight move to get him removed as his commands are pretty much all overlapping with nadeko/tatsumaki
nadeko/tatsumaki lots of general commands
Rai is my bot that we use for moderation mainly
full quartz
and Ub3r?
dreamy folio
workign to get him removed now lol
full quartz
Ah, ok
dreamy folio
I'll get instructions for Canti pinned in the two voice text channels and in #🤖・general-bot
And then I'll get well written one-two sentence summaries of all the bots in the channel description for #🤖・general-bot
Thanks for the suggestions
Bureaucracy is now happening
astral jasper
dreamy folio
(Right now I'm a bit tired and therefore lazy, but it'll happen eventually 
)
Oh woah no wonder I'm tired it's past midnight I thought it was like 9pm... RIP me lol
coarse acorn
how did you not realize it was past midnight?? 😟
dreamy folio
I'll move to #☕・general
astral jasper
what happens to priv rooms set by a bot after ppl leave?
what if 2+ rooms, common name?
and how does the bot know which ppl in a channel to move?
all of them? some subset...but which?
idk if the channels are "private" to all, just limited in capacity - presumably mods can enter
dreamy folio
oh I should add this to the help text but you use &invite to invite friends into the voice channel
left grail
how can I look at the server stats like the number of members and stuff like that? is that possible?
neat pasture
haughty goblet
@left grail you can do t!server in #🤖・general-bot to look at the stats
naive skiff
I think there should be a way to give suggestions
low vortex
This is the place. What's up?
naive skiff
Oh
I was gonna say I can make discord bots
So if you need any help with them ;)
I also have a really good idea for a bot
Is there someone I can talk to about my bot idea?
full quartz
Ryry, the head mod. You can probably just pm him
low vortex
Ryan does all the bots
barren mortar
He is not the head mod.
There is no head mod!
But yeah, you can message either Ryan or me.
full quartz
Sorry
valid horizon
I dont think we will ever have an absence of programming help for those working on a discord bot, as we just have a lot of programmers here, although good ideas will surely still be welcome, as no one will ever have an excess of that
lusty schooner
.inrole programmer
vital ruinBOT
valid horizon
^
naive skiff
When you add a certain reaction on a message you snatch some google api and pm the translation to the person who added the reaction
I can make it, I just need to know it would be accepted before i spend the time haha
@dreamy folio
low vortex
We used to have one that posted the translation in chat but it was super annoying. The idea of it PMing the translation sounds neat
dreamy folio
I personally don't like the idea of using translators to learn, I wouldn't oppose the bot being in the server if it seemed there was an interest for it
astral jasper
suggestion: remove the 'fancy word of the day' bot. it gives words that even native english speakers rarely use. the last 3 words: gallumph, approbation, sandbag
neat pasture
yeah
sandbag is ok
the others are stupid
whereas the spanish word of the day bot actually gives useful words in spanish
astral jasper
sandbag is limited to very specific contexts/communities
ie gaming communities use sandbag
neat pasture
communities
what
what about a literal bag of sand?
in like military contexts
or for preventing flooding
astral jasper
astral jasper
the definition doesn't talk about the literal bag of sand
neat pasture
that's stupid
astral jasper
replace fancy word of the day with useful word of the day
coarse acorn
good idea
i dont like fancy wotd as an english speaksr
if u want a big vocabulary read a fucking book
sweet heart
Violent
sweet heart
Aggressive
coarse acorn
otherwise i wouldnt live at home now lol
sweet heart
The point of wotd is to build your vocabulary
astral jasper
you can build a vocabulary that doesn't focus on archaic words
sweet heart
But you can learn more useful/common words in all the conversation we have or your usual learning resources
coarse acorn
anyway uh. what was i gonna say. oh yeah, i dont like fancy wotd bc the words arent useful bc no one effing uses them, except if theyre trying to sound fancy or in very specific contexts that the user will probably not be in. also um. people who sprinkle long words that no one knows into their speech Just Because are fucking annoying.
sweet heart
See I see it the other way
coarse acorn
tell me
sweet heart
My messages above your rant
coarse acorn
oh so u didn't have anything new to add?
sweet heart
Wow okay relax lol
astral jasper
i think there are an incredible amount of useful/common words someone can learn
neat pasture
the english words given by the bot are fucking useless for an english learner
low vortex
Yeah seriously. Let's keep this civil
coarse acorn
me remembering that saying fuck violates server rules: 
coarse acorn
aw well fuck then
bleak plover
You said it again
full quartz
Mee6 ya no existe
sweet heart
Real mature yall
coarse acorn
👁 
sweet heart
Y'all seriously derailed this convo
bleak plover
We were investigating this phenomen
coarse acorn
ok bye 👁
sweet heart
You're sitting here breaking server rules in the mod channel instead of discussing the suggestion lol
bleak plover
Or however it is said
neat pasture
but like people are trying to learn useful english to improve their future careers and they're hit with this bs bot
low vortex
It doesn't violate server rules, but the comment "oh so you didn't have anything new to say" was pretty rude.
low vortex
Well, Ryan has already asked the other Ryan to look into adjusting the bot a bit
coarse acorn
2 ryans? illuminati theme plays
low vortex
Yes, so moral of the story is we have heard your complaint and will address it
coarse acorn
ok. thanks.
low vortex
Thank you for bringing up your concerns and helping our server be better
little cosmos
bueno, si es para ponerse crítico muchas palabras que vi de WOTD están mal traducidas
o no se usan directamente de esa forma
dry oracle
Bueno oof
Creo que si las palabras están mal traducidas, sería cul si los nativos podrían conversar un poco sobre como las dirían ellos personalmente
To me, it was the point of the bot to give words that are seldom seen, I would say that learning new words (archaic or modern) in this beautiful and wacky language is super cool. I enjoy hearing and seeing new words that I’d have never witnessed before, having to google them is a fun practice for me. Obviously the utility of it probably lacks a bit for those learning English; that’s why we have two other bots that give simple and useful words (dustpan, to run over, etc)
Besides that, we have seen many instances where the words given were not that “fancy”:
neat pasture
Yeah
But half the time the English words aren't just your regular kind of obscure
They're extremely obscure
And provide nothing useful to English learners, unless they're studying English at a university level
dry oracle
Ah, gotcha, well if you guys would like to keep your eye out on a better wotd website to use instead just let me know
Furthermore, I’ve garnered quite a bit of “approbation” for the fancy wotd bot:
neat pasture
Luddite is ok
Approbation seems fine too, even if I'm not entirely sure what it means
dry oracle
Approval, or satisfaction of someone’s work, yeah... idk I think we’ve had some pretty common “advanced” words in there, some less common ones, and some in between
If the majority of you just absolutely despise the wotd fancy bot we can find a new one or whatever, I personally think it fine. Perhaps someone with a more “perspicacious” view and “sciential” experience than I could come up with an idea to “circumvent” and solve the current complaint 
neat pasture
circumvent isn't obscure lol
neat pasture
yeah
coarse acorn
i don't hate the fancy word bot it's fine uwu
pure vapor
I don't think they necessarily want it removed, rather, have another bot to teach them more practical phrases
dreamy folio
Maybe fancy WOTD for English natives, another WOTD for people studying English
neat pasture
fancy, pretentious, useless, take your pick
dreamy folio
While I agree that trying to insert those words into daily speech certainly sounds pretentious, I don't get why y'all get so worked up over people just wanting to learn them out of curiosity and a thirst for knowledge. Isn't that why we're all here? Because you want to learn? But somehow y'all got emotional and started attacking and insulting each other. I won't ping specific names but try to control yourself better, you make modding hard when we like you but then you do such pointlessly rude things 😔
Attack the problem, not each other
The two options we have are to change fancy bot to simpler words or to add a third WOTD feed
There are people who like fancy bot so I say just adding a third bot
sweet heart
I think dublin is just being intentionally antagonistic lol
tulip wing
I don't see the problem with fancy bot, it's useful for some people
minor condor
I don’t see a problem with it either, and lots of those words are widely used
And who doesn’t like learning new words? If nothing else they’re a conversation starter
dim turret
I don't see any problem, and yes it leads to convos or questions about the words
haughty goblet
Let's move discussions to another channel please
winter tendon
Hey, I accidentally did some of the commands and introductions instead of welcome. I know you guys don't want it in there etc and I apologize 
bleak plover
I like this guy
winter tendon
who me?
bleak plover
No, you
low vortex
It's all good, thank you!
astral jasper
I respect the slow down in #☕・general .
I do feel, in this instance, it's motivation was self-explanayory. At the same time, I wasn't really engaged in the conversations, so I didn't take it personally.
Not sure if there' a bot command to auto-slow and also give a message to explain why.
lusty schooner
I think everytime there's a slow down it's self-explanatory
astral jasper
I'm not sure it's clear that people even understand what slow mode is or means. ( at least gauging from pipu's comment in general )
little cosmos
bleak kettle
??
low vortex
oh slowmode?
I'll remind the people who set it and see if they want to disable it. Could be they just forgot
low vortex
Thanks @little cosmos and @fickle pewter
astral jasper
? #☕・general moved
astral jasper
okie
astral jasper
@sharp lake
sharp lake
holaa
flat chasmBOT
🆙 | yanis le maitre leveled up!
astral jasper
Ask the mods here.
haughty goblet
👀
sharp lake
i cant see the voice chanels
astral jasper
Take a screenshot of what you do see?
haughty goblet
you probably have the category collapsed
sharp lake
astral jasper
Maybe you have them collapsed
heady widget
He does
haughty goblet
to open up all the voice channels
astral jasper
👍 - Fixed it.
sharp lake
gracias
astral jasper
grz
sharp lake
disculpa
astral jasper
Good work, team! 🔆
dry oracle
Envisioning buff Kirby saying that is 👌
astral jasper
Should we have a sensitive topics, but for voice chat?
lusty schooner
we tried
consensus is that nope
we don't actually want to promote those kinds of topics
lusty schooner
that's kinda like the backroom where we send people that are getting too intense about certain topics
I dunno, that doesn't tend to happen so much in voice
they can just move to another voice channel
as we say in México "a las palabras se las lleva el viento"
but text stays there
astral jasper
Well, what do the mods have to say?
barren mortar
Debate can be used for discussing sensitive topics like politics, religion and the like.
dreamy folio
We didn't say anything because JP said it well and has been here since literally the beginning of the server, so he understands how things works and is qualified to speak on behalf of the community in a public place like this
Debate exists for politics, religion, etc, as Dew said
If you want to talk about sexual topics or whatever, then that's what we're trying to not encourage, although you could make a private voice channel for that using the instructions pinned in the voice text channels
The text channel exists because trying to keep all sensitive topics out of the server is just an impossible task. We do need a bit of overflow. Sometimes, sensitive conversations will happen, whether we like it or not, so we need a place for them to occur. Deleting the text channel won't make the conversations not happen, it'll just make them happen in #☕・general
astral jasper
Okay. Thank you.
astral jasper
*Just to be on the same page, I wasn't asking for "me". But as a general question of the server. I'm not sure everyone's always on the same page.
astral jasper
What happened to the server?
low vortex
can you be more specific?
frank geyser
Ah.... #⚓・contact-staff .......Yeah i'll go.. You should really do something about those Alien robo monkeys though.
low vortex
What?
astral jasper
I'm compiling.
low vortex
Honestly I can't figure out what you guys want or need from me.
astral jasper
I'm still mulling over how to express what I'm trying to say in more detail.
frank geyser
I'm just talking about alien robo monkeys
barren mortar
If you’re not gonna make an actual suggestion, please refrain from posting in this channel.
@frank geyser
frank geyser
Ok true question, i'm stupid, explain the sensitive topic role p-p-please?
barren mortar
It gives you access to the sensitive topics channel.
But you wouldn’t be asking this question had you read the rules.
So I suggest you read the rules to make sure your question isn’t answered in there.
frank geyser
Shhhhhhhhhh
-w- Checks rules
Omg the bloody channel with the flag. Ack, just waving in my face like "Hola eres estupida"
Thanks for your help -w-
haughty goblet
@astral jasper please stop trolling this really isn't constructive in any way use the channels for what they are meant or don't use them at all.
astral jasper
@haughty goblet
I'm not trolling nor do I understand why you feel that way.
haughty goblet
Same thing goes for you @frank geyser
barren mortar
@frank geyser He wasn’t talking to you.
fickle pewter
well.. yes he was..
astral jasper
?
bleak plover
He pinged her
astral jasper
Who exactly is trolling?
frank geyser
.<
astral jasper
Yeah, say that.
Not that I'm trolling.
frank geyser
Can y'all just bloody purge the messages and carry on with your lives?
a few bloody messages can't cause server war bloody 1
fickle pewter
i think yr perceiving this as bigger than it is
barren mortar
@frank geyser Last warning. Please move on if you are not going to suggest anything or add something constructive to the conversation.
frank geyser
Same to you Without the warning part because ye Love yaz bye ❤
astral jasper
Here's a suggestion.
Try to understand what people are trying to communicate before DM'ing them threatening a ban.
empty star
You've been asked to clarify what you're trying to communicate...
frank geyser
Would it be lit to add a vent channel for Spanish talking and English talking?
haughty goblet
I'm not sure what you mean with that
#☕・general is for both English and Spanish conversations
frank geyser
You don't know what vent is? It's a channel for when people "vent" about their problems and people try to give comfort or help them out
I love it ^^
tulip wing
Can't you use #sensitive_topics for that too? 
rotund chasm
I feel like you can do that in #☕・general if it isn't moving too fast, and then like, move to a more private conversation or something afterwards
dreamy folio
Sorry but we're not really the best server for those kinds of things. If you're a well established member of the community, it might make sense that conversation could turn to things that have been troubling you recently as you open up to the server, but in the end, we're not a help server. They actually exist, so please google for them. We would prefer though to not encourage this behavior by making a channel for it. It's not to say that we don't want to help people, but rather because we want to help people, we realize that giving out help here is not the best thing for them.
Otherwise, you can use #☕・general if it's not moving too fast and the topic of your venting is appropriate for the channel (my grades are bad, for example), or #💡・serious-topics if it's something more, well, sensitive.
barren mortar
Yes ^
lusty schooner
People have also used #🍁・general-2 for that, previously
sharp lake
hi i want to invite someone but my invits are invalid
haughty goblet
who are you inviting?
it could be that they are banned
or you may need to make a new invite
the one you just created should be valid as it shows up in our logs
@sharp lake
sharp lake
a @borntodie
sharp lake
it still does not work
dim turret
you can't ping someone who's not in the server
you need the user id (the name with the #number after)
sharp lake
#5387
haughty goblet
its ok pupper i got this 
sharp lake
well i don't know where to see that
haughty goblet
right click the name and then at the bottom it should say copy id
dont worry about it i found it @sharp lake
we banned him
so i cant do anything about that then
haughty goblet
constantly being innapropriate, not changing after multiple warnigs and deleting messages to try and hide stuff.
sorry but we will not be unbanning
haughty goblet
de nada
vague smelt
Hi, I propose to add a channel that is completely uncensored. #mature, or some other name. The purpose is to have some exposure and experience in using bad words (yes, some of us want to learn them, even if only to know what they mean when someone uses them with us). For some control, members can be invited by selection and restricted to certain people at the discretion of the mods or voted by members of the channel. This is to prevent spamming.
neat pasture
You can use curse words there
They're not going to add a completely uncensored channel, and you know why
Even if it's restricted to certain people
lusty schooner
funnily enough most of the people interested in "mature" stuff are immature people
¯_(ツ)_/¯
barren mortar
@lusty schooner Please offer constructive criticism
Anyway
You can use #💡・serious-topics to discuss such words
We won't add a completely uncensored channel because that's not the focus of this server
vague smelt
Sensitive topics allows swearing?
neat pasture
yes
vague smelt
@neat pasture oh, you already told me so, just noticed 
Alright, then this suggestion is moot
low vortex
there's no rule against swearing in the server at all. Just don't be over-the-top with it.
The rule is Please respect others and their cultural differences., which you can't really do if you're just peppering your sentences with curse words every other word, but it's not like this is a G-rated server
tulip wing
Don't spam rude words either
vague smelt
I was misled into thinking we needed a channel for swearing
lusty schooner
the only forbidden word is redacted
dreamy folio
Yes, and just to say it twice, you can curse its just part of a normal conversation. As long as you're not being rude to other people or cultures, you may use curse words.
Please don't forget that curse words in another language might feel ok to use because you just learned them, but to the natives of that language, they hold the same weight as curse words in your own language, so don't use them lightly.
I hope you understand what we mean by this but if you got some reason really need more guidance I'll write some example sentences for you.
tulip wing
after the talk in #📗・preguntas-lounge, shouldn't the colors command be updated to include the fluent roles?
haughty goblet
haha i saw that yea
i was gonna let the mods know
@dreamy folio are you able to do that or can we do it as well?
dreamy folio
Ah I completely forgot about that
We just need to make new emojis
Like 
I think they're emojis on either my server or here, I can't remember
bleak kettle
update Spanishs natives' color
neat pasture
aún no
dreamy folio
Laurens I can make the emojis tonight maybe
neat pasture
How many free slots are there btw?
dreamy folio
But if you make them before me you have emoji management permission on my server
Free slots here 0
Gif slots 50
haughty goblet
hmm ok im not really sure how to do that but ill go see what i can do i guess
neat pasture
Why don't you guys fill up some of the gif slots?
haughty goblet
yea thats what we did
dreamy folio
Oh we did?
haughty goblet
hmmmhm i think so no?
neat pasture
i count 50 emoji
dreamy folio
No emoji slots
dreamy folio
But below that are 50 more empty gif slots
dreamy folio
I have a script to turn a folder of images into static gifs
Hidden away in a certain server that you have access to
neat pasture
Hmm
dim turret
only nitro users can use gif emojis
dreamy folio
Laurens must have just saw it wrong
neat pasture
what if a mod adds a gif emoji to the server? @dim turret
barren mortar
Mods have glorious eyesight
dim turret
it's the same
neat pasture
oh
haughty goblet
ok lets keep this on topic guys
neat pasture
well i mean there's not much point adding gif emoji then
dreamy folio
Jinx
haughty goblet
and maybe move on from this channel
barren mortar
Yep
neat pasture
but we are still talking about suggestions, no?
dreamy folio
Not really
astral jasper
i would like to be re-evaluated in regards to my english profiency @haughty goblet
haughty goblet
lol you dont need to get evaluated
astral jasper
yes
haughty goblet
we just would like people to add the tag that they think fits best
however if we see that the tag doesnt adequately describe your level we may change it
neat pasture
*since im a slow thinker in spanish
haughty goblet
so if you want you can add fluent english
please move on if there are no more suggestions
keep conversation out of this channel
harsh cedar
im doing my first translation as a volunteer, can i ask someone on the server to look it over once im done? ik i can for homework, but im not sure if this is the same deal
low vortex
Yes, post it to #📝・correct-me-please and we'd be happy to help!
harsh cedar
gracias cariño
pale karma
Can we have more maximum 3 voice channels
Its a little hard to have a good conversation with 5 people in a single chat
haughty goblet
Sure I'm ok with doing that
astral jasper
maybe you could (ab)use the Karaoke channel 😛
dreamy folio
Or make private channels using the instructions pinned in the voice text channels with canti
low vortex
Yes do that ^^^
coarse acorn
@dreamy folio creo que el mensaje en #🔔・notifications podría ser más claro si mencionaras que mensajes en el idioma incorrecto serán borrados (antes de decir que algunos de esos serán enviados al usuario, porque ahora eso es la primera vez en todo el texto que nos entera que mensajes serán eliminados) espero que lo que digo tenga sentido; por favor pídeme aclarar si no.
odd escarp
Hi Mods, I feel like the rules are already there in #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner but native English and fluent speakers often switch topics and kid around (I’m just as guilty) making it difficult for learners to follow. I’m suggesting we police ourselves more and go to #☕・general when appropriate. Any other ideas?
dreamy folio
@coarse acorn lo edité, gracias
coarse acorn
gracias ryan
dreamy folio
@odd escarp Sí, ese es correcto. Los nativos no deben usar inglés difícil en #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner. Si la conversación se consiste sòlo de nativos, pienso que deben mover a #☕・general
low vortex
I've been trying to keep an eye on it more, but I've been a bit inactive lately. I'll try to pop into that channel more often and keep it on topic
orchid coyote
Is it possible to switch my roles around so that my username is blue instead green?
I noticed that my English is better than my Spanish, because I never formally studied Spanish ;-;
dreamy folio
It's not possible. It's set by the order of the roles in the server, and since there are less spanish natives by number than english natives, we determined to prioritize that color of the two roles.
What you could do is assign fluent spanish + heritage speaker, that should give people the correct idea to your situation
If it's something like you feel guilty having the role when you feel your spanish isn't up to par, I wouldn't worry about it too much
fickle pewter
^ i do suggest this as well, if you grew up speaking spanish or something like that
neat pasture
Hey staff, do you mind if I take inspiration from your rules in #📜・rules when I'm writing the rules for a server I'm a mod of?
haughty goblet
Go ahead man
dreamy star
Merry xmas mods ❤
neat pasture
Thanks!
minor condor
Just typing 
seems to set off hardcore mode and auto deletes it
Or sets off Rai I should say
rocky linden
too
odd escarp
I have hardcore role but nothing got deleted
coarse acorn
most of the stuff you've typed since getting hardcore role has been in exempt channels
#🍓・food-comida isn't tho and u typed in English the
there
odd escarp
You’re right. I just had a look at the long exempt list which pretty much where I most frequent
rotund chasm
Where is the exempt list?
full quartz
coarse acorn
plus here, obviously
dreamy folio
You need the "learning spanish" role or "learning english" role in order for hardcore mode to take effect
odd escarp
I can confirm hardcore is working in #☕・general
dreamy folio
Would people be interested in a new-years channel, where you can share your thoughts on this year/next year, your resolutions if you have any, thanks to people from this year, etc, whatever you want? It would be a temporary channel until just shortly after the start of the new year.
React with 👍 if you would use this channel
fiery plover
Thanks ;)
lethal ruin
Tengo un audio para los que quieran aprender insultos en español, donde puedo compartirlo?
dreamy folio
#📚・learning-resources @lethal ruin
lethal ruin
@dreamy folio Gracias, debo estar cansado porque no lo encontraba
young scarab
👀 Por favor, haced un canal para los avanzados 🙏
low vortex
I actually think is a good idea nowadays. Recently #🐟・ᴇɴ∕beginner has been overrun with very complex topics that don't fit in #☕・general or #🍁・general-2 . In the past, those two channels have sufficed, but I don't think they do anymore
fickle pewter
i'm not opposed to it
barren mortar
I am not opposed either
rose canyon
Oh boy my AP English skills will finally be useful!
lethal ruin
2019 has brought us #advanced_english channel 
young scarab
En #499544213466120192 hay ciertos emoticonos que están de más, y en #📜・rules ocurre lo mismo, tienes la opción de añadir emoticonos
astral jasper
i think 'off_topic' is a misleading name for the channel, it's really just general2 right?
people don't go there to talk about a specific topic, but to have a side conversation
low vortex
Yeah, that's what it's for, side conversations
That way it's not getting jumbled up in general
astral jasper
my point is i think the channel should be renamed
astral jasper
if i'm new to the server, having a conversation in #☕・general, i wouldn't think "#🍁・general-2, that sounds like the right channel to continue this in"
to me it sounds like you've got a brand new topic to talk about, that isn't related to anything previous
low vortex
Well it's more like everybody is talking about topic X in the channel, and then you ask a question about Y, and somebody starts to answer it, but the conversation about topic X keeps interrupting you. So you can go to off_topic to continue the conversation
that said, I also found the name to be extremely confusing and not helpful. I just had to learn what it was for, and then it made sense
haughty goblet
Yea people who know about it can redirect people there
You don't have to be a mod to be like "hey would you please move to #🍁・general-2 so our convos don't get mixed"
low vortex
but with a name like "General2" you basically guarantee that the channel is always spammed up with stuff instead of being a relatively dead channel that you can use only when you need it.
astral jasper
#side conversation, #extended discussion. the topic says 'talk about technology, programming or anything', there's no hint about bringing in discussions to not clog up other channels
coarse acorn
that's a good point
haughty goblet
It's not necessarily in the topic no but it's something we just mention whenever convos mix in one of the other channels
Like we keep on stressing. We don't really feel like writing out all the little rules and things so we just mention it whenever necessary
So stuff like this is something people will just mention whenever it's needed
coarse acorn
@haughty goblet yes but wouldn't it be good to make at least the channel description a little more clear about its intended purpose?
oh sorry for pinging -.-
neat pasture
@spring hazel they're already at the limit of 50 emoji
spring hazel
Didn't know that, thanks for replying
low vortex
That doesn't mean we can't have another vote soon
coarse acorn
and get rid of another beloved emoji ;_;
timber abyss
Could someone remove my English Native role? Thanks
barren mortar
You can do it yourself
Go to #🤖・general-bot and use the “.iamn X”
Command
X being the role you want removed
honest peak
with this one 
barren mortar
It looks the same
dreamy folio
The only difference I can tell is the horizontal lines above the eyes look a little more well defined
dreamy folio
Hmmm
neat pasture
:feelsslightlyworseman:
dim turret
the second one has a small black pixel in the shirt
low vortex
It does look a bit better to be fair
dreamy folio
Yeah I can't really tell what the difference is but I get the same feeling
I've replaced it
To the people that it looks the same, no difference. To the people who think the new one is better, then this is an improvement.
dim turret
lusty schooner
now that's what I call good mods
dim turret
lusty schooner
astral jasper
however you look at it, pepe is still sad about it
astral jasper
There is more space above the eyes
lethal ruin
Cómo me quito el sensitive topics rol?
dim turret
.iamn
median spear
@obsidian lion Te hago un ping porque usted es mod. Yo pienso que debemos tener un canal nuevo #palabra-del-día en que solamente alguien con un papel palabra puede postear. Así, el canal no sería tan desordenado. Yo sería más que contento para tener el papel y aportar la palabra cada día mientras esté capaz. 😄
Y lo siento por haberte interrumpido.
obsidian lion
creo que la palabra del día sería muy aburrida si no se generara algún tipo de discusión al respecto
pero podemos conversar lo de un rol para que cierta gente proponga
dreamy folio
Sí, las personas les gusta hablar sobre los palabras del día
dreamy folio
Probablamente no queremos hacer dos canales
No pienso que la canal es tan desordenada
Ahora
obsidian lion
tampoco lo creo, la palabra es fácil de encontrar
median spear
Aww okay
¿Pués podemos hablar del rol? @obsidian lion
Si es posible, me gustaría tenerlo.
dreamy folio
Que hace el rol?
haughty goblet
we already have channels for word of the day tho...
median spear
I know, but I think they could use improvement. That’s my point
@haughty goblet
El rol permite que solamente una persona postea una palabra cada día
@dreamy folio
haughty goblet
but we already have 3 bots that post words of the day so i dont really see the point in that....
people tend to forget to post stuff like that
or they lose motivation
haughty goblet
haha no problem
if the channel gets out of hand we might consider adding a seperate channel for discusions
median spear
Alright. If that happens, don’t forget me as a possibility to be somebody who can provide on the word channel! 😄
haughty goblet
haha we probably wouldn't get people to do word of the day
we will just keep the bots for that
median spear
Oh right lmao the bots
haughty goblet
ye
median spear
Then may I give a suggestion for the bots?
haughty goblet
sure
median spear
I think they should include more things in the word of the day posts, such as maybe synonyms, etymology, English definition as well as term, and type of word (verb, adverb, noun, etc.)
haughty goblet
umm theres more info if you click on the links i believe...
median spear
Oh, I thought Javi C. was the bot! Alright then, I guess that clear everything up. Thanks! 😄 @haughty goblet
median spear
lmao 😂
lusty schooner
#animal_paradise reborn
viscid mango
#animal_paradise2, más esperado que despacito 2
viscid mango
Porque luego de que Brenda se fuera, el canal quedó inactivo
minor condor
I'm sure me and tami can supply kitty pics
lusty venture
I think lounge should come before that but who am I to judge?
weak spade
I have some funny cat pics but they are kinda nsfw
low vortex
I can't imagine a NSFW cat picture that is even remotely appropriate for life
weak spade
The cats are ok
restive goblet
for some reason, Rai keeps deleting my messages
dreamy folio
lol
that's because you have hardcore mode
it will delete all your english messages
force you to use spanish
i'm guessing you don't want that? i can take it off for you
restive goblet
I thought it was something related to the notifs
dreamy folio
To the thing in #🔔・notifications ?
restive goblet
to the notifications in general. I wasn't really sure what it was so i wanted to try it out
restive goblet
Okay, thanks for clearing that out!
lusty venture
@low vortex it was basically #☕・general but less moderated, kinda like #🍁・general-2. It was deleted before you joined I believe.
low vortex
No, we don't need a less moderated channel. We're trying to make this place friendlier, not less so
There's something about the internet - when things are less moderated, people think it's an excuse to show their worst side possible (take for example the recent issue in voice chat, if your familiar with it)
weak spade
What happened in voice chat?
low vortex
Well it's a bit of a long story that ended in several people banned, but the number one reason people said they shouldn't have been banned was "they wouldn't have acted that way if a mod was around", which is exactly the kind of atmosphere we don't want. We want people here being nice regardless of the presence of mods, because they like the people here and find value in respecting them, but it's hard to create a friendly and welcoming server when there are a greater number of less-moderated spaces.
A lot of people on the internet have this mental roadblock that prevents them from seeing other internet users as complex human beings, with complicated lives and emotions of their own. As a moderation team, we need to work hard to break that perfectly normal assumption that basically kills the empathy response of people when they're online, and recreate it among our users for other users
I don't think it's possible on the one hand to say "we want you guys to put aside your internet habits and view each other as human beings worthy of respect and empathy, and we're going to help you by having clear rules that are enforced", and then in the other hand say, "well, except in here. We won't be moderating this channel... So do what you like."
There are enough servers that are barely moderated, that the harm in allowing it here just far outweighs the convenience of being able to be unmoderated in this server
Sorry for the wall of text, but I believe this was an incredibly important question that deserved a very in-depth answer
weak spade
Thank you very much!
flat badge
@low vortex @weak spade The people actually got banned because they said some specific words that the moderators don't allow. Not because they actually tried to offend anyone.
"noone would act that way around mods" is taken out of context because first of all I said it, not jpb, not anyone else that got banned.
Second of all you said you were actually there to hear it when you weren't, and you said it was some horrible stuff like the worst stuff you ever heard as a mod, when it wasn't. It was just 2 "bad words". One of them means "friend" in the black community, and I can't really defend the other one because it's actually just a curse word, no depth to it.
This is why they don't like the moderation because it seems like you guys are looking for ways to twist things to make them seem worse than they actually are. And take something that none of them even said! I said it! and use it as a quote from them!
low vortex
Other people said it, not you.
I don't even remember who you are.
So I guess maybe you're one of the people I'm thinking of?
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not really
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I said it before because I wanted to know if you were actually there during the "worst thing ever heard by a mod"
low vortex
Not really what?
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and it turned out that you weren't there, and also it turned out (after watching the hour long video) that all they were banned for was saying a word you didn't like which idk if you know but i've played league and seen people telling other's to kill themselves, and to go die in a ditch. that's toxicity, that's when you can say ok you were toxic
low vortex
Oh yeah I remember you lol
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I'm glad you were able to watch the video. I didn't want to put the person who shared it with me, but it really sheds some light on how toxic that group was being
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like hey don't say that word
they sounded like they were laughing and having a good time idk
low vortex
I'm so glad there weren't any new members who came into the channel while they was happening
But that's exactly why we don't want more unmoderated things
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so people dont laugh and have a good time?
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People feel like it's okay to act however they want when a mod isn't around
And we want to change that
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well not allowing laughing and having a good time is kinda pushing it dontcha think
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I've read it multiple times
low vortex
Let me know if you have any more questions for the moderation team.