buildtools doesn't like me I guess
#general
cedar tinsel
drowsy quest
I mean download the latest version of buildtools
cedar tinsel
I have the latest version
drowsy quest
And make sure youโre not behind a proxy and connected to the internet
cedar tinsel
I'm not behind a proxy and I am connected to the net
drowsy quest
Then idk, sorry
cedar tinsel
damn i hate this
it says no such remote: upstream
nevermind, eventually it carries on and does its job
hybrid loom
@heavy glade Post something like that again and I'll punch you the banhammer into the face
teal sun
LOLwut
cedar tinsel
wait wut
hybrid loom
@cedar tinsel Was a earrape-video... You play it and it grinds your headphones
cedar tinsel
oh haha
rustic cobalt
@cedar tinsel Could always use Paper, no buildtools needed ๐ Outside of that, if you provide a log file, I can probably help
cedar tinsel
I solved it
Had to do "git init" in the server and bukkit folder, also had to rename the folder to spigotserver for some reason
I haven't heard of Paper yet
oh it's a fork of spigot, what's the difference
rustic cobalt
We're a high performance fork of the high performance fork, one major nicety of our stuff is that we have a little utility called paperclip, which is basically a magical patching jar which you can just replace your spigot jar with and never have to worry about buildtools again
cedar tinsel
Wait, so basically Paper > Spigot?
rustic cobalt
yup
rustic cobalt
We have Async chunk loading/generation in the pipelines too
cedar tinsel
Damn, why did I not know of this before
I like Spigot, few issues so far but all solved
but if this is dope, i'm switching
I got nothing to lose, still working on the server
Where can i get this miracle? yivesmirror?
alright i found it, anyone here using paperspigot?
ok this is fucking insane, people hiring builders for money?? damn, minecraft came a long way
hybrid loom
@cedar tinsel I use paper myself
Runs smooth.
And tbh... Spigot is pretty much the same code with maybe some additional features over and over again...
Nothing changed, nothing improved. But don't quote me on that
cedar tinsel
So Paper removed some features and now it's more better performance-wise?
hybrid loom
Not removed...
They changed it and made them better
But again: I'm not 100% sure about the differences
cedar tinsel
This is confusing, on dowload site there is paperclip-238 and paperclip, which one do I take
hybrid loom
afaik are both the same
I personally always go with paperclip, because I then don't have to rename it
cedar tinsel
doesn't make sense to put two of the same jars...
but alright, I'll try it
i can notice it's faster in the loading time
actionbars not supported, thats a good thing since I think they're useless and ugly
aren't they breaking a Mojang's rule?
yeah, it seems smoother and better performance-wise
that's a good job
rustic cobalt
The only difference is the name of the files
cedar tinsel
It's great that the plugins for Spigot work for this aswell
Well it is basically it
But hear this
My TPS on spigot was around 18.9 to 19.6, and ping even when it was localhost was above 40
my ping on paper is 0, and tps is 19.6+, never dropping belove 19
rustic cobalt
the ping keepalive stuff in spigot is severely broken, I had to fix it up a "bit"
rustic cobalt
Also, timings v2 is much more powerful for finding performance issues than v1
cedar tinsel
I want to donate to so much people just to express my gratitude, but being 17 and having no credit cards makes that hard
Fucking Croatia and their laws
hybrid loom
I can donate when I want 
cedar tinsel
Lucky you, I can't do shit until I am 18
Can't even stay outside past 11PM because of our law
Not that I don't
It's so much easier to configure, faster, really nice
hybrid loom
One of the devs (The main dev I believe) even made a framework for devs to add commands and stuff by simply having something like @CommandAlias("command")
@rustic cobalt Do you have some experience with ACF?
teal sun
@hybrid loom Iโve used ACF quite a bit before
hybrid loom
I have no idea if that what I've setup would work like I want it too:
https://github.com/Andre601/HelpGUI/commit/e5185be9ff6f54d2bfd5c0a4d8a7f67fd527dc08
teal sun
Your CmdHelp doesnโt look right @hybrid loom
Your CmdHelpGui looks ๐๐ป tho
I think you put the @commandalias in the wrong place
hybrid loom
That's similar to what the creator showed: https://github.com/aikar/commands/issues/171#issuecomment-419781303
teal sun
Huh, I didnโt know you could do that ๐
Iโve always gone with the alias on the class and an @Defalt
hybrid loom
Someone else has it like you explained: https://github.com/StarryMuffin/StarryAPI
cedar tinsel
is there a LP placeholder for listing a player for a specific group? like if player in group owner, then display his name
I don't really know how to explain better
I'm trying to edit a config for a plugin called StaffList
cedar tinsel
i get like 0.2 second freeze on paperspigot, didnt get those on spigot
hybrid loom
uhm....
Did you use the applyedits commands it gives you when saving in the editor?
gilded nova
https://twitter.com/i/moments/1039112940656439296 Who ever lives in these areas. I wish you the best of luck
Twitter
Twitter
cedar tinsel
Does anyone use OptiFine?
coral lantern
yes
cedar tinsel
Is it good?
coral lantern
Yes lol
cedar tinsel
Just heard of it
coral lantern
its the only proper mod that can double even triple fps
cedar tinsel
i already have like 400-600fps
coral lantern
dont really need it then
cedar tinsel
1300fps if i look to the groud
coral lantern
unless u wnana try n break 1k
cedar tinsel
cant even load it, got an error LOL
cedar tinsel
just updated my drivers
let me see again
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/objectweb/asm/ClassVisitor
at java.lang.Class.getDeclaredConstructors0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.privateGetDeclaredConstructors(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.getConstructor0(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Unknown Source)
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.registerTransformer(LaunchClassLoader.java:88)
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.VanillaTweaker.injectIntoClassLoader(VanillaTweaker.java:16)
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.Launch.launch(Launch.java:115)
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.Launch.main(Launch.java:28)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.objectweb.asm.ClassVisitor
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
... 8 more
I have TLauncher
coral lantern
tf is tlauncher?
coral lantern
just use original
otherwise its something wrong with ur pc lol
cause my optifine works fine
cedar tinsel
my PC is fine, its probably because of the launcher
cedar tinsel
therefore its in flawless condition
coral lantern
im talking about software
cedar tinsel
do you have a server?
coral lantern
i work on 2
cedar tinsel
spigot?
cedar tinsel
have you tried paperspigot?
coral lantern
yes
cedar tinsel
i have a thing where it freezes for 0.1 seconds
didnt have that on spigot
it's noticable
coral lantern
what you mean freezes?
cedar tinsel
the game freezes for 0.1 seconds
coral lantern
ive never experienced freezing with paper spigot
cedar tinsel
don't know what causes it
coral lantern
are you using a custom config?
cedar tinsel
yeah
coral lantern
thats probably the reason if anything then
cedar tinsel
wait what
coral lantern
well if your using a custom config youve changed something from the default
meaning if there is a bug in your case a .1s freeze
rustic cobalt
.1 second freeze? hm
rustic cobalt
Did you change the config between spigot and paper?
cedar tinsel
um
rustic cobalt
When did the freeze occur?
cedar tinsel
wait hold up
let me try using default spigot.yl and paper.yml
so I can provide you better info
i backuped my old ones, currently starting the server
still happens on the default ones
- my fps drops to 200 when it happnes
on spigot i had like stable 300+
coral lantern
if your fps drops thats a client side problem
cedar tinsel
so why didnt it happen on spigot?
coral lantern
no clue but a server doesnt affect your fps unless theres stuff on the server affecting it
rustic cobalt
I mean, it is defo client side
cedar tinsel
i'm using the same plugins i used on spigot so it's not that i guess
if its client side, it's ok
rustic cobalt
But, if it's anything, it's going to be how the client is responding to something
coral lantern
paper shouldnt be interfering with that
rustic cobalt
When does it happen?
cedar tinsel
When I walk around, just randomly
rustic cobalt
Just having a few thoughts, one could be depending on your view distance the max send chunks
rustic cobalt
yea, edit max chunk sends and double it in paper.yml
rustic cobalt
Theory there is around the renderer and a high view distance, cooould be that our delayed chunk sending there ends up causing some form of re-render which hits the client
yea
See if changing that has any effect
rustic cobalt
oh, nvm, that value is 81 by default
rustic cobalt
I meant inside of the server itself
Hm, Not too sure what to suggest, at this kinda point outside of speculation, I'd need to see what the client is doing
rustic cobalt
What's your memory set to on the client?
cedar tinsel
in my launcher?
rustic cobalt
Yes
coral lantern
vaugn
rustic cobalt
to a client?
coral lantern
can i log on to check if i get fps problems?
rustic cobalt
Allocate something like 2G, there is generally no need to ever go above that
cedar tinsel
alideen, sure hold on
rustic cobalt
(for the client, unless you're using heavy mods or stupidly high res textures, you generally don't need over 2G)
coral lantern
what does stupidly high res count as for packs?
coral lantern
wait vaughn you on optifine?
rustic cobalt
I mean stuff like high res texture packs, the general gist is that in terms of what the client does, it doesn't need as much of a memory balloon for storing stuff like plugin data, because that's not a thing
cedar tinsel
i have moved too quickly even though i've set the multiplier on 50
coral lantern
vaughn you on optifine?
coral lantern
rip my theory
cedar tinsel
okay let me try
rustic cobalt
What version are you running?
cedar tinsel
latest
bad news
anti xray is already off
ok wtf
im 4 versions behind, i installed it yesterday
coral lantern
probs installed a older version lol
cedar tinsel
dowloading a new one
cedar tinsel
got the new one
rustic cobalt
"latest" isn't a version
coral lantern
kk btw brb playing uhc champions
cedar tinsel
[14:42:25 INFO]: This server is running Paper version git-Paper-242 (MC: 1.13.1) (Implementing API version 1.13.1-R0.1-SNAPSHOT)
242
rustic cobalt
See, client lag is odd
cedar tinsel
updated, still happens
rustic cobalt
Client lag is always down to the client, but there is always a chance that something that's happening is causing it to lockup
cedar tinsel
could it be only me?
rustic cobalt
Did you change your memory limits on the client?
cedar tinsel
alright, i dont know what that is
rustic cobalt
if you enabled F3 mode, does the memory usage happen to drop when it lags for that moment?
cedar tinsel
i only know what i've put in the start.bat
cedar tinsel
god damn it
coral lantern
we are talking about your actual mc
cedar tinsel
I told you, I got TLauncher and same settings
i used it for playing on spigot
no freezes
now I got paperspigot and freezes occur
rustic cobalt
And we're trying to work out why your client is freezing
rustic cobalt
Yes, client lockups are client sided, I wonder why though
cedar tinsel
The server is online, if you want to check the thing yourself, feel free to, cuz idk whats going on
rustic cobalt
I'm currently trying to fix a server install as I kinda broke the networking
cedar tinsel
My cpu is at 60 percent, memory only used 6gbs and I have 16gb
My PC is localhosting and it's handling it good
got a i7 3770
But mark my words, this didn't happen on Spigot, it has to be something related to Paper
coral lantern
vaughn just cause a good pc is a good pc
cedar tinsel
I understand
coral lantern
doesnt mean there cant be a problem with something
cedar tinsel
But why did Spigot work
rustic cobalt
and I wanna work out why that is
But it's hard to work out why from somebody elses client
coral lantern
have you tried defaulting back to normal spigot to see if it is paper?
rustic cobalt
Does it happen for other people?
cedar tinsel
I don't know didnt have anyone on it
rustic cobalt
Does the memory usage in F3 drop as it freezes?
cedar tinsel
I will check now
Alideen tried to connect and its saying outdated client
while it's 1.13.1 and I am connecting just fine
rustic cobalt
He's probably on 1.12 or something
outdated client is sent using proto version
brb
cedar tinsel
no, the memory usage doesnt drop when it freezes
i got afterburner
easier to get fps, ram usage etc
starting my spigot one, just to make sure my words are valid
it's gotta be just me
now spigot freezes aswell
new version of Vault is spitting erros
this is a chaos
edgy venture
are you using windows? there is a windows update
edgy venture
force the update and restart
cedar tinsel
will do, thank you
edgy venture
it messes everything up
cedar tinsel
removed the old world, generated a new one, havent seen that error so far
electronic, hear this, i've set a tree on fire and while it was burning my FPS dropped and it lagged like hell
rustic cobalt
That would be your client
cedar tinsel
I think it is
coral lantern
imma do a classic IT crowd quote
"Have you turned it off and on again"
your pc ^
coral lantern
have you unplugged your power plug and re plugged it back in
cedar tinsel
oh come on
coral lantern
cedar tinsel
haha
btw, what do you guys use for a text editor? im currently using notepad++ but i wanna switch to sublime text
hybrid loom
I personally also use notepad++ because why not
coral lantern
^
cedar tinsel
Sublime looks better, i feel depressed using notepad++ lol
interesting
I've put the moved quickly multipler on 50 and i still get the moved too quickly error in console
i had it 50 on spigot and it didnt give me this messages anymore
rustic cobalt
paper doesn't touch that code
and moved too quickly warnings are a sign of a client is "cheating", i.e. actual cheats or due to lag causing invalid movements to be made to the server
cedar tinsel
i was flying and it just stopped me and spit that error out
set it at 100 now
could the freezing be because of my video settings?
coral lantern
probably
smooth fps setting in optifine has similar traits to what ur experiencing
cedar tinsel
check me out
my cpu isnt at 100 percent usage, my gpu's temps are good, the gpu mem never is fully used and the ram is at 6-8gb of usage (have 16)
coral lantern
a cpu being at 100 doesnt mean anything in terms of performance with games at times ๐
cedar tinsel
I am trying to say it's not maxed out, no bottleneck at all
coral lantern
i get a glitch every once in a while where my cpu is at 15% usage and i get 10 fps even with a mc restart
rustic cobalt
Mojangs code for stuff like lighting is horrific
cedar tinsel
are there any alternatives to essentialsx for 1.13.1?
simple minnow
Nucleus
polar thunder
guys be honest, 60$/h for plugin development is overpriced?
jagged sapphire
what type of plugin?
polar thunder
"network core" = lobby's system, ticket system (for player doubts) ingame, ban system and staff managment. all this things really cost something around 3.5k$?
floral kettle
Progress being made on Optifine 1.13, it seems.
inner edge
How do you get the verified role?
steel pelican
You need to ask Luck basically. And show him the plugins you've made public
teal sun
@polar thunder imo yeah
From some quick maths looks like about 60 hours of work?
$60 an hour is super fucking high
leaden ocean
cough we just had a dev approach us asking for work at the price of $75 an hour xD That was a fast no
teal sun
I wouldn't take on a 60 hour project but I generally estimate the amount of hours and go for about 10x that, and use that as a set price for each plugin
Yeah that's more than like a senior Google engineer is paid @leaden ocean
leaden ocean
He only does php which we don't even need xD
teal sun
Loooool oh my
steel pelican
Only doing php isn't much haha
teal sun
Yeah
There's quite a few programmers, probably myself included, who are a jack of all trades and a master of one
leaden ocean
We already have dev who is an incredible web developer, and he knows we have him since we only just revamped the web site xD
teal sun
Lmaoo
I like how most of your plugins are like KRollback, KPluginManager and whatever ๐
I'd say I'm best at js, but I get along fine with java, kotlin, python, html/CSS if that counts etc
leaden ocean
Kai starts a lot of his plugin names with neither Better or K, or end in Plus xD
teal sun
I noticed xD
leaden ocean
His most notable being BetterChunkLoaders and GriefPreventionPlus
teal sun
I've been meaning to learn more about java and the way interfaces etc work
This isn't kai as in jacksucksatlife kai right?
leaden ocean
Nope
teal sun
Ah okay I just wondered
leaden ocean
KaiNoMood or KaiKikuchi
Used to dev for devco but joined us, and then we brought devco xD
teal sun
What's devco? ๐
leaden ocean
It was a massive modded community back in 1.7. It was the second most populated after mym
They were reaching 500+ for a while, but died off
teal sun
Sounds expensive ๐
leaden ocean
Very expensive xD But what isn't expensive in modded Minecraft
leaden ocean
That's with development of content etc
teal sun
What kind of liquid diamond water cooling do your servers use
leaden ocean
XD
drowsy quest
Decent servers cost money. 200$ is cake
Iโve seen servers beyond 2k a month. Those are beasts though!
steel pelican
$200 is barely anything, if you take into account, website hosting, server hosting, advertising, any development work you need tp pay for.
drowsy quest
Yup
Weโre currently at almost 200โฌ/month for 3 servers. Though no one gets paid. And no income
fierce vector
3 machines or 3 instances of minecraft?
mint inlet
Lol
drowsy quest
3 machines
Running a shitton of different web services, including a cloud, GitLab (with CI and CD), Nexus (Maven Repo), project management, management panel
5 MC Servers with 2 new modded coming soon, TS, and other stuff
dark hazel
hiho
Other day here i was looking for a host and a guy, sorry but i dont remember who, told me about hetzner.. im using their service, really good btw..
But i was wanting a little more ram.. right now i have a dedicate one 32gb i7 4770..
i was looking for their 48gb ones but.. lets see the specs btwn most affordable 48gb.. that is i7 920..
Both 4c/8t
22nm, 3.4-3.9ghz, 5 GT/s DMI2, tdp 84w I7-4770 21EUR (what im paying now)
45nm, 2.66-2.96ghz, 4,8 GT/s QPI, tdp 130w I7-920 35EUR
o told once too that i find odd they using 9xx series for their 48gb machines.. its about memory management? ark intel says that max memory that they can handle is 24gb
anyway, worth the change? from 4770 to 920 for 16gb more?
dark hazel
didnt get you but my concern isnt the memory
is the cpu frequency
32 is fine for me
but im greedy
i want more just cuz i can have a little more.. 64 is too high for me.. it cost more than the double of what im paying right now
so 48 would be fine but the cpu frequency
transfer rate
it doesnt appear to be a good deal.. but i dont know a lot about minecraft so i dont know if 2.6-2.9 with 4.8gt transfer would be bad
but since mc is single core, more frequency and more transfer rate means it will have better performance
but 32gb ... errrr..
coral lantern
32gb is still over kill lol
hybrid loom
No server in the world needs 32GB
coral lantern
unless ur a cannoning server with like 200+ people testing cannons at once
hybrid loom
Javas GC is pretty good in keeping unused RAM free to use.
A good configured server can handle that meany players with probably 10-15GB at max
If not less
dark hazel
andre, i run survival, bedwars, skywars, lobby and bungee
i leave the mysql to a vps with 2gb ram
coral lantern
thats still over kill
dark hazel
i run pterodacyl panel + mysql on a vps and docer with server on a dedicate machine
this for docker
31744
- 2048 // Bungee
29696 - 6144 // Lobby
23552 - 6144 // SkyWars
17408 - 6144 // BedWars
11264 - 11264 //Survival
small server
dark hazel
but i was wanting to run
pvp arena and mob arena
which would consume at least 4gb each
and theres something wrong with my bungee
no player and its consuming almost 1gb
with these there
so i was thinking to increase bungee memory from 2 to 3.5, and add +2 server each with 6gb
coral lantern
thats probably just a rubbish host then
because a bungee doesnt need more than 1gb of ram
dark hazel
hetzner i7 4770 32gb 1gb link
coral lantern
contact your host its a problem with them
dark hazel
but what should i ask for?
coral lantern
just say your bungeecord server is having high usage even tho the plugins are low usage
dark hazel
this isnt from a minecraft host, they dont have game server plans..
i think i should be more specific then instead saying it..
But its a good start i'll try realize a better way to say that, apparently, im ahving problem with memory usage in general cuz isnt only bungee
all my servers are having high usage even with none there , servers are closed to upgrade
dark hazel
im testing some configurations.. lemme get the plugins from lobby
memory and cpu usage from lobby
coral lantern
how many plugins?
dark hazel
[15:04:52 INFO]: Plugins (21): LuckPerms, WorldEdit, VoxelSniper, PlaceholderAPI, SpigotJDA, EffectLib, WooMinecraft, Vault, PremiumStaff, BungeeTabListPlus, VoidSpawn, WorldGuard, Multiverse-Core, ProtocolLib, ProdigyGadget, MyPet, DiscordSRV, Plan, AuthMe, MineSync, TradeMe
1 world only for hub
coral lantern
only plugin i can think thatd be putting memory up is MV core but still doesnt explain the other servers
its def your host
dark hazel
it start with something like 600mb and gradually start to 'eat' memory
coral lantern
just use a normal mc server host lol
dark hazel
i dont know to read timing, i was thinking about having a timing thing runnig for at least 5hrs
to see the ram usage cuz none inside there and im having this high usage
oh so its normal
i thought it wasnt
same for bungee
it starts with 300mb +-
i'll restart bungee
right now bungee is using 870mb of 1024.. i set it down cuz i was thinking that i could add more 2 server with 4gb but my main ram usage is the one i've sent here , little above
coral lantern
just use a actual mc server host lol
dark hazel
i pref having my own machine instead.. also i pref pterodacyl and i hate paying mcservers and having 0 support when i need
384mb fresh start from bungee
coral lantern
k well contact your host then
dark hazel
i'll thanks for the tips ๐
coral lantern
np
sage sequoia
Hey guys, what board would you use instead of a raspberry pi? (I need something under 10 euro ) i need it only to ssh onto it and send WOL packet to my server) cheers
dark hazel
5 minutes from my bungee start, it started with 384, 658mb already.. :/
rustic cobalt
any reason why not a pi? especially with stuff like the pi zero
sage sequoia
Ciz raspberry pi costs over 30 and i dont know about zero, is it alright? The classic one without any โextra letterโ
rustic cobalt
the zero is basically a smaller lower powered less featureful/connectored varient of the pi
You would need accessories for it, however, no idea what it comes into with price range for the stuff you'd need for it, however
polar thunder
Anyone here works with custom plugin commissions? Willing to pay enough (pm me)
leaden ocean
Please ask on the spigot or sponge forums depending on your server software
teal sun
@coral lantern what are you on, contact your host? xD Hetzner only provides support if it's their services that aren't working. He has a dedicated server. It's not an issue with the host because he is the host
@dark hazel I'm probably the one who recommended Hetzner to you lmfao, don't contact them as I doubt they'll provide support, as per the reasons above. I'd have a look into if there's any memory analysis for bungeecord like timings for spigot
coral lantern
Dont bully me!
teal sun
steals lunch money
coral lantern
teal sun
@dark hazel I have almost an identical setup to yours, apart from the fact ptero is running in a hypervisor. I have an identical box with the 4770/32g and I've installed proxmox and made a ptero daemon vm with 10gb of ram. My bungee only uses about 300mb, so I'm pretty sure it's an issue with one of your plugins
dark hazel
Hiho Void, im running some tests.. appear that Plan is doing the 'eating' job
dark hazel
and yeah, i was using search and you and the other guy recommended hetzner ๐ im happy with them
i like plan due its stats
teal sun
A good way to debug is to move half your plugins, test, move the other half back, test and narrow it down
dark hazel
i'll report to the dev and i wont be using this for a while
coral lantern
1 day when i bother to get a job imma make a hcf server
dark hazel
i did it, it take a time but i found plan doing it in all my servers.. which is sad.. anyway .. i wont change server
teal sun
One thing I found really helped performance was purchasing an additional ssd
Way better than the hdd
dark hazel
mine are 2x2tb ent .. i dont think i have option to change to ssd
one thing that made me sad about hetzner is the way they handle security things
coral lantern
void hetzer is a tank
teal sun
You do have the option
dark hazel
look my problem..
dark hazel
ive lost access to google authenticator due the need of reinstaling the system
so no OTP
teal sun
@coral lantern wym
dark hazel
i also dont remember what i saved my RK
dark hazel
so i cant reset my 2fa ๐
teal sun
Don't they offer to send an otp to your physical address
dark hazel
they re asking me to send a fax to them so they can send me a letter to my postal address
who the hell in 2018 still using fax
dark hazel
they need my me to handwrite them asking for a new recovery key
with my name and my postal adress altogether with my client id
i told them its really odd they could have secure questions, or second e-mail or any better options and guess what they said
their answer is
teal sun
Shouldnt have lost ur OTP?
dark hazel
"The process for giving new recovery key to the client is approved by our security
team. We are convinced that this method is currently the only secure one. Anything
else is insecure. With activation of 2 factor authentication you chose a very
secure method for logging into your account.Secure question are not secure as you may know. A postal letter only reaches our
client directly. No one else. And no one else could do something with that
recovery key if he opens the letter on your behalf or illegally, cause only you
have the 2nd factor (your password).You can think different butr rethink the options others use. Are they really
secure? We do not think so and data security is the highest goal of our company.
We need to be 100% sure that no 3rd party gains access to any clients account.
"
teal sun
I mean it has been proven you can intercept SMS otps
But then it's also been proven you can steam open letters
coral lantern
steam open?
dark hazel
yeah but they think that postman is 100% safer than any other option
coral lantern
Dk0 the postam doesnt know what hes putting in your post box
teal sun
They use steam to unseal it without ripping it, read it, then seal it back up with a little glue
dark hazel
yeah void, dictator yeah he doesnt
coral lantern
postman*
dark hazel
i can be there in front of the house
waiting for the mail to arrive
isnt his fault
but isnt the most secure measure to take
also we can steam the mail
coral lantern
unless ur postman is a prick like mine
and put my brothers new imac on our front porch
dark hazel
hetzner is of course not living in XXI century yet
i have to pay my invoice till 15th september
they dont want to even give me the invoice by e-mail
teal sun
But yeah top tip it's something I do, print off the qr code they ask you to scan to set up tfa
And keep it super safe
coral lantern
k im off to bed gn
dark hazel
cya
yeah my bad missing my rk or qr
but they could be more understanding about my invoice
isnt like i wont pay. ive sent more than 10 e-mails trying to make them that i want to pay
the rk wont reach me in mean time
and they just keep saying things like that
teal sun
Aren't there services that'll send faxes online?
dark hazel
yeah there are
but i need to call them to ask for line
anyway i did send a fax using google hello service also an e-mail with pdf attached
but still.. it wont reach me before 15th september
teal sun
๐ฆ
dark hazel
im form brazil
teal sun
Is that the date it's due
dark hazel
yes
teal sun
You have 10 days grace to pay it after that
dark hazel
yeah but dont want to know how mail things are here in brazil when it comes to mail from another country
dark hazel
also i ad a problem with them when i first contracted the service i wasnt able to pay using my paypal and i had to ask for more time to pay...
They did give me 20 days to pay.. but then, they asked me to pay before the 15th of the next month.. to not let it go after the due's date
aside of this OTP problem, the service still amazing
teal sun
Yeah
spring sparrow
New iPhones Announced
queen galleon
Its bad
crude stratus
Apple after jobs: rest in pizza
gilded nova
Anyone know if Optifine can tweak water to clear? I cannot get it to change.
gilded nova
@coral lantern ๐ค
coral lantern
what about it?
you asked
"Anyone know if Optifine can tweak water to clear? I cannot get it to change."
gilded nova
I didn't ask for a picture
gilded nova
It does? Explain
gilded nova
Clear water is already clicked on
coral lantern
then why did you ask
"Anyone know if Optifine can tweak water to clear? I cannot get it to change."
coral lantern
you using a texture pack?
gilded nova
Just Faithful
gilded nova
I only had a problem when I switched to legacy Kuda
gilded nova
It's not that.
coral lantern
well that is the option
and you just said
only happens when you switch to that specific pack
so im like 100% sure that is the problem
gilded nova
Nope. It happened and I cannot get it back. Even the stairs are waving now.
It's not the problem.
coral lantern
tf u mean waving
gilded nova
Yeah blocks are waving like leaves do on some texture packs.
coral lantern
u probably enabled a dif setting then
gilded nova
Possibly but Kuda shaders don't offer that option as far as I know.
coral lantern
as far as you know and if your using shaders
chances are its ur shaders stuffing up
gilded nova
You have to get into the files to do that.
coral lantern
just re check everything
gilded nova
Ive not aletered anything in the files.
gilded nova
I've rechecked. It only happened when I swtiched to a legacy version of the same shader mod.
Switching back makes no difference.
coral lantern
dont use that version?
gilded nova
I am not using that version.
gilded nova
Tried that.
coral lantern
delete the version
gilded nova
Tried that.
gilded nova
Me too
coral lantern
u werent meant to
gilded nova
All I did was changed the version.
hybrid loom
Anyone here that has a link, where I can learn stuff on how to make a filewatcher, that auto-reloads the files, when they got changed?
dark hazel
@teal sun so about my recovery key from hetzner..
"Dear Mr Junior
We are able to ship with DHL express today. It will be โฌ 59.90 (incl. 19 % VAT). Please
confirm the costs.
"
outer vesselBOT
Hey DkO! Please don't tag staff members.
dark hazel
i'll be creating another account with them.. easier than paying 59EUr cuz they find safer sending a letter..
i can pay almost 3 months of the service with the same amount of money
63EUR 3 months
teal sun
@dark hazel wowww
That sucks
Yeah
It'll be hard to move your data without access to the cp too
dark hazel
i did already, i did zip all containers (one by one) with putty and then copied to my computer with winscp
for me the most important mysql db is luckperms
rustic cobalt
recovery key?
dark hazel
i did the backup already
yeah, ive lost my otp access and i need a recovery key to reset my password and remove 2fa
from it
since i lost my rk too
i need another one
and they are asking me 59,90EUR to send me another one
i pay 21EUR for dedicated server i7 4770, 32gb ENT 2x2tb hdd..
nonsense thing..
anyway.. since my users are little ones and i talked to them already, they are fine with me having this trouble
since im doing a hard change on my servers it will be off for almost a month, then i'll back to hetzner but this time
im going to save my rk in a safe place
๐
teal sun
Ah okay. Generally if you have access to the rescue system you can just use DD over ssh to pipe the data to another physical hard drive live
dark hazel
dd?
dont know what it is
anyway, my servers are running ok i just lost access to my account .. since my servers are online i can access them by ssh/ftp
rustic cobalt
dd - aka, dasterdly dangerously
teal sun
It's colloquially known as disk destroyer
dark hazel
oh
rustic cobalt
lol
teal sun
Not sure what it really stands for
dark hazel
thanks ๐ didnt know that ๐
rustic cobalt
I don't think it stands for anything specific lol
dark hazel
i know only one double d meaning ๐ but isnt the case here ๐
teal sun
But only if the disk isn't mounted, which means you have to boot from rescue system
LOL
dark hazel
i get it ๐
but i'll be finishing all configuration "offline"
i'll be using my home computer to do it
when finished i'll get another server with them
rustic cobalt
but yea, it's for block level i/o, so you can if both disks are the same size or the target is larger, you can just boot both systems into recovery, or at least put the source into read only mode, and pipe the disks contents over dd using ssh
dark hazel
so its cloning like
teal sun
Yeah basically
On that kinda topic
I rather stupidly set up my dedi with a software raid 0
On its two hdds
dark hazel
O.o
teal sun
I have a 470gb ssd that can fit all of the contents of the main hard drives
But i don't have console access
What's the best way to migrate to raid 1?
rustic cobalt
raid 1 was mirror, right?
teal sun
I'm assuming just make an image of the volume, format the disks, set up swr1
Yeah
Then restore the image
dark hazel
but it wouldnt work like this
teal sun
Raid 0 means if any disk fails all the data's gone
rustic cobalt
Yea, that should work fine so long as you mirror the raid device itself
dark hazel
you could but
teal sun
The problem is, it's pretty hard for me to get console access
I can get a technician to attach an iKVM
But thats awkward
rustic cobalt
So long as the fs is mounted as ro, it should be safe to just copy it over on a live system
teal sun
The raid 0 is my boot disk
rustic cobalt
Can you boot into any form of recovery environment?
rustic cobalt
Oh, should be fine then, boot into the recovery end and ensure that your raid is setup, if not you'll need to get that up and running, but there you could mirror the disk and then do what you need to do, you can get a working boot setup from recovery pretty easily
teal sun
Alright. One more question
The two hard drives are 2tb each giving a 4tb volume
I've only used about 270gb of it so that'll fit on my 470gb ssd
But how do I copy only the used data
rustic cobalt
erm, stuff like that gets more fun, but basically boils down to you resizing the partition or just setting up the new disk and copying everything over
dark hazel
im back, had to restart..
i still thining it wouldnt be good at all, since how raid 0 and 1 works
rustic cobalt
You'd do the work at the level where it doesn't care what raid there is
dark hazel
i dont know if i get your point but since raid 1 and 0 work a little different.. i dont see making a 'clone' a good thing at all..
im not sure if i got if void is going to perform a full copy
teal sun
rustic cobalt
You have to remember that raid serves as an additional layer, backing disk 1 & 2 | raid | filesystem
raid there would be served as a standard block device, would basically look like any standard disk, the whole concept of raid exists behind that and is invisable to anything higher, such as the filesystem
rustic cobalt
any permission plugin installed on bungee will override the stuff in config.yml, you'll need to setup the perms in LP
jagged sapphire
what perm
rustic cobalt
see the bungeecord config for your existing perms, otherwise they're noted on the bungeecord wiki
hybrid loom
@jagged sapphire We can't help you without knowing, what you tried
heavy glade
i thought u tagged me lmao
cedar tinsel
electronic, the newest version of paper is awful, spitting erros on my plugins all the time even though an earlier version didn't
ChestShop, Essentials, EssentialsChat, EssentialsGeoIP, EssentialsSpawn, TreeAssist don't work anymore
@rustic cobalt
nevermind, my dumbass accidentally downloaded the 1.12.2 jar
waxen ivy
Hey. Prompt, please, permissions to output the prefix from the tab over the head.
cedar tinsel
I found a good host, DeluxeNode, they got Ryzen 2700X CPUs (3.7 to 4.5 GHz) and they seem relatively cheap and I've read a few good reviews, they offer 4vCores, 4GB RAM and 10GB SSD RAID space for 4 euros a month, but I don't think it's a VPS, should I got with the DeluxeNode's minecraft hosting or get a VPS? What's the difference between those?
potent prawn
It will certainly not be a VPS. It's a shared hosting setup, you'll only get access to the console via a web panel and likely FTP as well. A VPS would give you much more flexibility and control over your server but will also require some basic Linux knowledge.
If Linux isn't your thing, it's generally better to go with a shared host until you learn how to set up a Linux environment.
cedar tinsel
I've never used Linux, so I think that pretty much conludes it, for a while I think I'll go with DeluxeNode, and eventually I will switch to a VPS
Yeah, I'll do that
Thanks
potent prawn
Sweet :) It's definitely worth getting into it if you want to get serious about hosting an MC server.
Plenty of guides online if you make use of Google
cedar tinsel
I'll adapt to it, it won't be a problem
I'm just new to all this and still learning while making a server
potent prawn
Yeah it's a good idea to let someone else deal with the harder stuff while you learn the ins and outs of Minecraft servers. Think I was doing shared hosting for a year or 2 before I made the switch to a dedicated server (I had someone to help with that though).
cedar tinsel
So it's definitely better to get a VPS than a shared hosting setup?
rustic cobalt
Not really
cedar tinsel
Oh here we go
rustic cobalt
VPSes are generally more spec'd for web apps and long running, threaded applications which aren't going to tag a single CPU
I personally only really recommend a VPS for mc servers in cases where you really need the control, shared hosting sucks, but so long as you go for a competent host, you're more than likely going to see better performance
rustic cobalt
The ability to run scripts and stuff like that
potent prawn
Better control over backups and MySQL and whatever else you plan on using with your server
rustic cobalt
E.g. I can automate the deployment of my server updates because I have the level of control that I couldn't get with a shared host
potent prawn
and yeah, dedicated servers are better than VPS
cedar tinsel
Alright, thank you guys
drowsy quest
Does anyone know a WordPress plugin that optimizes images locally using stuff like optipng?
potent prawn
Thank you. Stupid mobile discord
formal yarrow
Hello there, anyone knows how to make NPC Teleport the player to other server?
minor socket
Just insert /server servername to it xd
cedar tinsel
Where can I purchase the mc.servername.com domains?
old plinth
drowsy quest
@potent prawn Iโve yet to find a decent alternative
Not a big fan of it either, but I wonโt be creating a page from scratch
prisma mesa
@cedar tinsel namecheap.com
drowsy quest
Can vow for them too
rustic cobalt
using google domains these days, namecheap was perfectly fine, freenom is a good place to check too
prisma flare
Anyone on here right now?
Im trying to see if there is a plugin that can stop the use of worldedit in certain parts of the world
drowsy quest
Worldguard for example has a WE flag @prisma flare
teal sun
@hearty bone I don't think so, I know luck made a point of not putting anything like that in LP
hearty bone
Gone. ๐
drowsy quest
Really no reason to delete that question
hybrid loom
Why do people delete messages, when a issue/question is resloved/answered?
outer vesselBOT
Hey Dictator_Alideen! Please don't tag staff members.
cedar tinsel
How do I solve this, I have a spawn and I claimed it with SafeZone, however, I've put signs with text and you can't destroy them unless you're in the safezone faction and you'll never be, but the text vanishes when you try to destroy it
coral lantern
@cedar tinsel does the text come back when u leave and rejoin the server?
teal sun
@cedar tinsel It's a client side bug
coral lantern
void
teal sun
It isn't actually gone on the server
coral lantern
delete ur message
cedar tinsel
It's ok then, thanks
coral lantern
i wanted to say that
cedar tinsel
Haha, you gotta be straight to the point
teal sun
Why bother? It's obvious it's that bug
cedar tinsel
That's why Void is an mod
teal sun
I mean my exactly was to 'you gotta be straight to the point'
But it works for that too
cedar tinsel
I know, no worries
teal sun
XD
cedar tinsel
lol
cedar tinsel
No, but I have relatives over there
I'm from Croatia, but my roots are from Hungary
I'm an interesting person
#facts
cedar tinsel
Anyone know a great scoreboard plugin?
vale summit
To keep scores? ๐
cedar tinsel
What
vale summit
What do you want the plugin to do?
cedar tinsel
What a normal scoreboard does, but it's fine, I got one that is half decent
For free, I don't expect to get a better one
vale summit
A normal scoreboard keeps scores for players.
cedar tinsel
Damn
coral lantern
@cedar tinsel Use Featherboard
spring sparrow
is Lockette the preferred plugin these days or is LWC still around?
steel pelican
BlockLocker is really good.
coral lantern
easy af
literally just invite the bot then restrict its perms to channels
or actually like setting up a actual bot to run off ur pc or whatever thats a bit more difficult
spring sparrow
So I just create a "Music" Channel, make it so the bot can only stay in that channel cant go anywhere else then make the music channel no perms to talk and done?
spring sparrow
Sweet. I remember TS3 Music Bots, was more complex
ok ive got it all sorted, how do you restrict the bot to a certain channel?
steel pelican
Make a role just for the bot then add the bot to that channel
Or just add the bot to it, without the role. Either should work.
Unless you can specify which channel through the bot settings
minor socket
I made soundcloud rich presence ๐คฃ
lean palm
does anyone know if itยดs possible to transfer a full map from spigot minecraft to afterhumans minecraft? a friend just asked me if we could play on afterhumans but our current server already exists for 3 years and weยดve already built a lot of stuff we wanna keep
cedar tinsel
just copy the world folders?
minor socket
& backup
sweet turret
does anyone here familiar with this plugin? https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/votingplugin.15358/
I have multiple server in bungee and I want player to get reward for 1 server when the join the server.
burnt tendon
@drowsy quest hi again i have problem with my nameservers when i put the lobby name on bungee and set the permission with lobby content it will not work beq its cant get the servers name
outer vesselBOT
Hey ScriptMan! Please don't tag staff members.
potent prawn
Did you put the name in the lp config
burnt tendon
whwre is ipconfig
potent prawn
Also on the bungee LP all servers are seen as worlds, so use world=<servername>
burnt tendon
do i need lpb as well?
potent prawn
I don't really know what you're trying to do so I cant say
burnt tendon
so i mean where i can set ip config?
ohhhh i found it i need to set the servername on lp config file how i not see that
potent prawn
Yes, sorry I should have capitalized LP lol
burnt tendon
ummmmmm
i delete 3 of my groups from phpadmin and now when i reload config its still showing me the same 3 groups but when i want to removed from game its give me error
potent prawn
Why are you removing from the database directly?
You'll have to restart your server probably
burnt tendon
ok
potent prawn
If you remove from the database while luckperms is running then LP won't know about the changes and will keep the data in its cache
It's best to remove data with luckperms commands or by using the web editor
rustic cobalt
if you didn't break the data, you could probably /lp networksync
rustic cobalt
it was one of them ๐
burnt tendon
hey i download and place luck perms bungee on bungee plugins and give it same database and user but when i do /server its say i dont have permission
potent prawn
Then give yourself or a group permission to use server commands ๐
Oh why is this in #general
burnt tendon
i give my group bungee.command.server but its still not working :(
rustic cobalt
bungeecord, not bungee
burnt tendon
i do /lpb group developer set bungeecord.command.server
rustic cobalt
proxy log?
burnt tendon
i just want to luckperms knows my server names
rustic cobalt
it can't, you need to configure the names in the config files
burnt tendon
you mean i need to change server=global change it to the server name? e.x server=lobby?
rustic cobalt
yes
burnt tendon
ok lets try
potent prawn
Wait, what for?
rustic cobalt
sounds like he was expecting it to detect the name of the server from bungeecord
cedar tinsel
Easiest or the best way to balance the server's economy? I've found the NaughtyNathan's guide, is that any good?
lilac walrus
Well....I'm at the emergency room weary
It was not a good day. I decided to go take a ride on a horse yesterday evening to relax. It turned out to be a freakin mistake! I got on the horse and started out slowly, but then we went a little faster; before I knew it, we were going as fast as the horse could go. The horse made a sudden jerk and just blew up. Bucking and kicking , and I couldn't hold on. I fell off, but my foot got caught in the stirrup. The horse kept bucking and running, and was dragging me and wouldn't stop. Thank goodness the manager of the grocery store came out and unplugged the machine. But then he had the nerve to take the rest of my quarters so I wouldn't attempt to drive the Batmobile, and told me to stay away from the handicap carts.
Everyone needs to smile at least once a day!
rustic cobalt
xD
gilded nova
I need ideas for a server shop...I mean location...I'm thinking jungle or desert...underground or overground? ๐ค
prisma stone
do jungle shop with rare gems/treasure as the themes
idols and whatnot
indiana jones bro
hey is it possible to set up voting if i dont have a dedicated port for my server?
coral lantern
@minor socket your missing one ๐
drowsy quest
@prisma stone you need a fixed port for the votes to come in
digital crag
Hey!Can anyone advise a plugin for launchpads that supports AAC and where you can adjust the vertical and horizontal velocity and do custom variants of launchpads?
prisma stone
kk
teal sun
@prisma stone to add, most hosts will allow you to ask for an extra port for free
spring sparrow
iOS 12 is out
crude stratus
Really
prisma stone
any reason my mcMMO combat skills (unarmed axes etc) arent going up for my players? gathering skills (mining woodcutting etc) go up just fine
cedar tinsel
How do i disable achievements and default join/leave messages in 1.13.1?
rustic cobalt
announcements are controlled with a gamerule, you'd need to disable it in every world, but that would work
join/leave messages can be disabled with a plugin, EssX being a common "probably installed" plugin that can disable this for you too
inner edge
minor socket
coral lantern
cedar tinsel
๐ค ๐ค ๐ค
teal sun
timid pilot
๐ฉ
timid pilot
Too far up what?
cedar tinsel
Damn
potent prawn
๐
cedar tinsel
๐ค
hybrid loom
I love my new api: https://purrbot.site/api/quote?name=Andre_601&text=colors!&color=3498db
teal sun
Yeah I have a bot that does similar, image processing is done in PIL on an aws lambda and bot is written in nodejs
gilded nova
Does anyone here own a server? How wide is your spawn protected?
gilded nova
@coral lantern How wide is your worldguard region?
coral lantern
however big my spawn is
timid pilot
Server is beta closed. But im using standard minecraft spawn protection. Just made it a bit bigger.
gilded nova
How far away from spawn do you allow players to build and break blocks?
timid pilot
Ow one thing. Thats lobby server ๐ Survival i use grief prevention.
Thats up for you what you want/need.
Survival got a large claim so no one can destroy the view
gilded nova
I'm aksing exactly how many blocks are protected.
timid pilot
I dont know.
gilded nova
like 100 blocks out? 200? 1000?
gilded nova
ok thnaks
gilded nova
Yeah good idea to think about future expansion of spawqn
timid pilot
There always assholes that wanna destroy your spawn.
Just a few things to keep in mind.
New players wanna see a nice and clean spawn. You have a bigger change that do go away if its a messy spawn.
gilded nova
Here's my spawn
It's simple and unclutttered and the surroundings are trees for miles.
Large biomes
updated
twin warren
hey @rustic cobalt , can you give any insight into this issue from your work on BungeeCord / Waterfall?
it seems to have been caused/triggered by some sort of recent change in the classloading behaviour of bungee
but I can't seem to find any commit affecting it
coral lantern
The Lucky man himself
twin warren
\o/
coral lantern
timid pilot
๐
rustic cobalt
@celest escarp do you have any other plugins installed on bungee? Last time I saw an issue related to that, it was down to some plugin using its own version of slf4j
hybrid loom
coral lantern
hi bored im Alideen
rustic cobalt
Yea, they no longer use slf4j in there now https://github.com/parallelblock/NuVotifier/commit/59fa4857e3792e60673f6f2d0b3320a4aa18e0a8
cedar tinsel
this paper thing dropping dozen updates a day, bruh chill
*not complaining, I love to see it, much love โค
grave summit
What are the major benefits of java compared to other languages such as C++ or C#?
Because recently I have only been hearing crap about it.
coral lantern
well mc is coded in jar thats 1
coral lantern
o lol imma go as i hate coding
steel pelican
Java is more widely used and has more support, functionality and there is just more you can do with it.
grave summit
Sure it's cross platform, but what advantage is there in regards to functionally and ease of use for the developer?
steel pelican
https://www.upwork.com/hiring/development/c-vs-java/ have a look at that. It might help
It really just depends how you're wanting to use it and what platform etc..
steel pelican
I'm getting into HTML, CSS & Javascript (Becoming a Web Developer)
grave summit
Ooooh.
steel pelican
I do know java, but only a tiny amount.
grave summit
I enjoy web development.
But
I enjoy software development more
For example, right now(Well not rn. But you know ) im working on a voice assistant in Python
Now
As awesome as Python is,
Its a highend langauge. I would prefer a language that has more control over the system. Hence why i am asking.
steel pelican
Java would be better most likely.
grave summit
Trying to figure out which language to transfer it to
How well does java peform on low performance machines such as a rpi?
drowsy quest
It's been getting better, but you can have performance loss of easily 50%
grave summit
Especially a rpi zero for this matter
drowsy quest
Anyways if you want full control and highend programming combined, use C++
The STL is amazing and if it's not enough, you have boost
And pretty much any native library (libraries written in C, C++ and other languages that create natives) can be used. And while Java has a metric shitton of libraries, that's nothing compared to what you get with native libraries
Biggest downside, developing in C++ is a lot harder. The language is more difficult, more vast (especially with the STL) and the tools are also harder to use. Using libraries can be a pain too, depending on how you work with it
For working with computers like a RasPi, there's a VisualStudio plugin that let's you develop linux natives. VS 2017 also claims to have that built in (as a module) but I never tested it so far. If it's any good, that might be a better alternative, as the plugin I mentioned is not free
I just checked it. Looks great
gilded nova
Is it better to have one nether portal in the overworld for all players than to have players have their own nether portal? Just need advice. ๐ค
steel pelican
Both is better really.
gilded nova
I'm thinking that individual portals might conflict...๐ค
steel pelican
They don't