From experience normal survival worlds will be fine
#general
drowsy quest
hybrid loom
Why want to downgrade to 1.8 anyway?
drowsy quest
Oh
drowsy quest
I read it the other way round
hybrid loom
Use ProtocolSupport or ViaVersion with ViaBackwards and ViaRewind lol
drowsy quest
Though my stance is if you choose to use and outdated version, don't expect support π
rustic cobalt
All you're going to do is cause bugs for people running on newer versions, and you'll basically lose all form of support
gilded nova
so any other plugin like viarewind?
drowsy quest
I really hope the next PvP update will shut all those crybabies
gilded nova
because viarewind isnt good..
rustic cobalt
All of the plugins that bring backwards compat will introduce bugs
drowsy quest
I'm so tired of the "1.9 PvP sux"
rustic cobalt
all of the plugins bringing forwards compat will introduce bugs
gilded nova
so survival only 1 version you mean..?
hybrid loom
@drowsy quest me 2
drowsy quest
"That's why I use 1.8 hurdur"
twin warren
protocolsupport works just fine
twin warren
wut
twin warren
same with viarewind actually
i've been running it in production on a number of large ish servers for a few months
zero reported issues
viral notch
@gilded nova Β« i use all
4
and makes bugs Β»
don't use ProtocolSupport if you already use the Via plugins π€¦
rustic cobalt
No matter what plugins you use, you're going to introduce odd quirks and issues into the server, the plugins work perfectly fine for their intent, but if your aim is to allow players to actually run on the server and play with the best experience, just use the latest version and drop the protocol support plugins
viral notch
then remove that, ProtocolSupportPotions is not meant to be used with the Via plugins
it's meant to be used with ProtocolSupport
you don't need to use PSP with ViaRewind, in fact that will just introduce more bugs into your server
drowsy quest
I mean the survival feature changes between 1.8 and 1.12 are really noticable
It's pretty much impossible to have a smooth survival experience
drowsy quest
It's a different story for minigames etc
gilded nova
?
viral notch
what I said, basically
gilded nova
i wanted to put just 1.12
i really like 1.12 survival
but users hate it
so i dont know
what i can do
rustic cobalt
best suggestion is pick a single version
rustic cobalt
bearing in mind that reverting will break the world, either go for what your players want or what you want, I'd also suggest looking at which players are the ones who are complaining
viral notch
the general rule I've seen in servers is: survival/factions, creative, skyblock and such at latest version, combat minigames at the version users perfer
gilded nova
i know
digital lance
We tell our users they can continue to enjoy our lobby as long as they like unless they update to 1.12.2 (-:
rustic cobalt
The one thing I found was that the majority of players complaining about newer versions play the least anyways, because "the game doesn't have anything new"
viral notch
at most you can make it 1.12.2 and allow 1.12.1 clients to join with ViaBackwards (I personally have had 0 issues with that in my private server)
if they want the old pvp, then yeah use OldCombatMechanics
rustic cobalt
I wish spigot would drop a pre :-;
rustic cobalt
Paper is better
viral notch
hmm, electronicboy, I'm gonna screenshot that message if you don't mind ;) (the one about players complaining about newer versions)
1 - it's Paper
2 - it is better than Spigot
rustic cobalt
I'm a paper dev, I want spigot to finally drop a pre so I can get some groundwork done on 1.13 for paper
gilded nova
And 1 thing more
java.lang.NullPointerException: null
at me.badbones69.crazycrates.api.CrazyCrates.cleanDataFile(CrazyCrates.java:166) ~[?:?]
at me.badbones69.crazycrates.api.CrazyCrates.loadCrates(CrazyCrates.java:155) ~[?:?]
at me.badbones69.crazycrates.Main.onEnable(Main.java:92) ~[?:?]
at org.bukkit.plugin.java.JavaPlugin.setEnabled(JavaPlugin.java:264) ~[patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at org.bukkit.plugin.java.JavaPluginLoader.enablePlugin(JavaPluginLoader.java:316) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at org.bukkit.plugin.SimplePluginManager.enablePlugin(SimplePluginManager.java:405) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_12_R1.CraftServer.enablePlugin(CraftServer.java:395) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_12_R1.CraftServer.enablePlugins(CraftServer.java:344) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_12_R1.MinecraftServer.t(MinecraftServer.java:442) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_12_R1.MinecraftServer.l(MinecraftServer.java:403) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_12_R1.MinecraftServer.a(MinecraftServer.java:341) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_12_R1.DedicatedServer.init(DedicatedServer.java:293) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_12_R1.MinecraftServer.run(MinecraftServer.java:616) [patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748) [?:1.8.0_171]```Which api do i need for that
rustic cobalt
That's likely a bug with the plugin
rustic cobalt
maybe try updating the plugin/filing a bug with the plugin author
gilded nova
i will post the bug on his discord
rustic cobalt
that's not an nms thing, that looks like a bad data file or bad datafile handling
rustic cobalt
looks like "api" == the actual implementation
viral notch
at me.badbones69.crazycrates.api.CrazyCrates.cleanDataFile(CrazyCrates.java:166) ~[?:?]
at me.badbones69.crazycrates.api.CrazyCrates.loadCrates(CrazyCrates.java:155) ~[?:?]
at me.badbones69.crazycrates.Main.onEnable(Main.java:92) ~[?:?]```maybe in loadCrates
rustic cobalt
rustic cobalt
there are plugins like MoveMeNow which attempt to move people over, but ultimately, don't let your servers crash/lose connection
no idea what you mean by "its not safe"
gilded nova
if auth lobby falls
they can join lobby i think
or i dont remember what did they told me
yeah its that
rustic cobalt
That's your setup being an issue, not bungeecord
gilded nova
i just type fallback server= lobby
and if they are at auth
and falls
they connect to lobby
viral notch
uh... do fallback servers even exist? I mean, aren't they "priority servers" or whatever now?
rapid pollen
anyone know any good hub plugins?
rustic cobalt
It's priorities now, if you've got fallback in your config you're using a stupidly old version of bungee
viral notch
or probably he didn't reset his config
rustic cobalt
But really, your issue here is that you're being stupid and expecting priorities to work in a way which suits your broken setup
rustic cobalt
No...
heres the thing: Your complaint is that if the auth server goes down, they go to the lobby...
That's literally what the priorities thing does.
gilded nova
so there's not any plugin that does the fallback funtion
rustic cobalt
your issue isn't with fallbacks
viral notch
the priorities server should have the servers they will connect to first, which means you put there all the auth servers you want
rustic cobalt
Your issue here is that your auth plugin doesn't handle the main server not being alive properly
Bungeecord is working 100% properly and as intended (and as you've configured it)
viral notch
you: "try to connect to auth first!"
bungee: "okay, but what if I fail to connect them to that server?"
you: "then connect them to the lobby!"
bungee: "alright, but what if I fail to connect them to that server too?"
you: "then connect them to survival!"
if you still didn't get it, that's what you configured it to do
rustic cobalt
No
rustic cobalt
Use a plugin like MoveMeNow for that
viral notch
that doesn't mean it's broken
gilded nova
it works?
viral notch
it should
rustic cobalt
it's a simple plugin which literally doesn't touch any API that's changed in years
gilded nova
This is a very simple plugin that will move a player whenever he gets kicked, depending on a whitelist or blacklist.
With kick
viral notch
You don't need to update anything if there's nothing to update
viral notch
uh, I think so
gilded nova
thanks
viral notch
the server kicks the players on shutdown so
gilded nova
:S
i think it doesnt work
servername: lobby
list:
- kick
message: "closed"```if kick message has closed
the players would be moved to lobby
and doesnt work
sullen adder
Is this a ghost?
Or iam imagine all this in my head???
I took the pic yesterday ..
tired barn
I donβt believe in ghosts, but that lighting was perfect on whatever thing that was
Makes it look like a thing from a horror movie
drowsy quest
I think I outdid myself x3
Let me present to you my favorite sentence of the blog post I'm writing rn:
Before you rush to your keyboard and leave comments like "Itz no elligal HURRR DURR" or "You worng and stupied", let me point out that this post is meant to represent my personal opinion. Nothing more and nothing less.
Idk, but think I'm waaay too proud of that xD
drowsy quest
New blog post: https://mcserverrant.weebly.com/rants/running-a-cracked-server-is-worse-than-using-a-cracked-client
I tried to keep it short this time. I hope you like it
viral notch
Uh, just a little thing:
drowsy quest
Ah thanks. Will fix that typo
viral notch
Oh
drowsy quest
If you find typos let me know. I type these posts without spell checker xD
viral notch
Idk, you made me feel like making a blog for myself too right now xD and Google's blogspot is kinda... Old
drowsy quest
Weebly is a taaaad much for just a blog, but I like it
viral notch
I mean, it's still good, my mom uses it actually... But meh
drowsy quest
Up to you ultimately
To bad they only show the site stats to you when using the second paid rank or higher :/
That's almost the only thing that I'd like to have rn xD
molten hearth
I'm not sure if I understand how this plugin works
I have a group that's inheriting from other one, but it seems some of the permissions are not working
drowsy quest
@molten hearth #support-1 please π
molten hearth
oh sorry, didn't see where I was posting π
drowsy quest
https://mcserverrant.weebly.com/tips-and-tricks/hide-your-backend-servers
For all the bungee network owners. Especially the new ones π
fossil iris
BungeeGuard is compatible with "vanilla" spigot?
Last time I checked it used the handshake event from Paper
twin warren
No only paper
fossil iris
Then I'm gonna nitpick in Brain's blogpost π
twin warren
π€
rustic cobalt
I kinda need to see how many spigot staff use paper π
rustic cobalt
without stopping the server? find a plugin that allows that
gilded nova
Bungee
steel pelican
Yeah, i can highly recommend ServerListPlus as well.
potent prawn
can also vouch for SLP
rapid pollen
Same here
left hinge
anyone know of any good combat log plugins?
rapid pollen
CombatTags works pretty well
rapid pollen
Anyone play osu!?
gilded nova
do you guys know any where to sell cheap vps and have firewall to block ddos attacks ? (except ovh)
rustic cobalt
Not many places offer free DDoS protection at a level worth caring about, most of them offer trivial amounts for free and expect you to pay more than the server itself does monthly for decent protection
gilded nova
i use ovh sas for my minecraft server but i need this one for my teamspeak servers and there is no need to ovh servers for teamspeak!
mint inlet
Why not host it on the same box?
gilded nova
Hey
I need installing an Api
how do i do that
org.bukkit.plugin.UnknownDependencyException: ParticleAPI
at org.bukkit.plugin.SimplePluginManager.loadPlugins(SimplePluginManager.java:222) [paper.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at org.bukkit.craftbukkit.v1_8_R3.CraftServer.loadPlugins(CraftServer.java:293) [paper.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.DedicatedServer.init(DedicatedServer.java:202) [paper.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at net.minecraft.server.v1_8_R3.MinecraftServer.run(MinecraftServer.java:563) [paper.jar:git-PaperSpigot-"4c7641d"]
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748) [?:1.8.0_171]```and i have particleapi.jar in plugins folder
someone?....
mint inlet
What's the link to the JumpPads plugin you're using? - They should provide a link to ParticleAPI (as a standalone plugin)
Also, GG on 1,000 issues closed π
mint inlet
Should be a normal plugin
mint inlet
hmmm
viral notch
NametagEdit was updated after almost two years
gilded nova
@pure quiver I was in help chat. and i didnt chat their for 2 weeks and now im not in it. and i cant rejoin because it says invite invalid. it looks like im banned? and why am i banned?
hybrid loom
@gilded nova I got an answer.
You was banned, because you asked for leaked plugins on another Discord
gilded nova
?
Wait what?
I never did.
wtf
Send me proof.
if you cant unban me
this is really bulshit
i never asked for leaked stuff.
hybrid loom
How many times do I need to tell you that:
I'm helpful which isn't a mod-role! I can only access some channels, nothing more.
gilded nova
Than ask the mod for proof
if they dont remove it
my ban
I was fucking 2 weeks inactive, and i never ask leak plugins because i pay all my plugins legit.
hybrid loom
I told him.
Let's wait ok?
hybrid loom
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164618267586068480/460477540537073672/Screenshot_20180624-103938_Discord.jpg
Quote from the mod:
That's considered a leak.
He was asking for a premium plugin without buying it so he could "test" it.
gilded nova
That is not me, how is that possible if i was inactive, and what date was the message even
and still it is not help chat so why i am banned ?
gilded nova
This is really bulshit.
hybrid loom
There is no way to fake the Discord User-ID.
It's unique and the mod checked it befor ban.
gilded nova
You guys are so sad
hybrid loom
So either you lie and you typed that, or someone used your account for a while
gilded nova
I was not online, but whatever
Andre, im fucking 19 years old, what do you think? I"m gonna lie about these bs?
I never asked stuff like that. i have ENOUGH money to buy stuff like that
hybrid loom
Yeah. I'm 22. That means absolutely nothing!
You can be 99 years old and still do shit. I never accused you of doing that. I only listed the possible ways.
gilded nova
@hybrid loom Go search a life please
outer vesselBOT
Hey JohannesHQ! Please don't tag staff members.
outer vesselBOT
Hey JohannesHQ! Please don't tag staff members.
gilded nova
So you guys can unban me for a nonsense ban
gilded nova
You guys banned always people for nonsense you also banned a friend of me, without reason so.
oh no Glare did
What can i do...?
java.nio.channels.ClosedChannelException: null
at io.netty.channel.AbstractChannel$AbstractUnsafe.write(...)(Unknown Source) ~[patched_1.12.2.jar:git-Paper-1452]```You have a plugin that is throwing an exception, if you reloaded, restart the server; otherwise, you'll need to work out where the booger is
gilded nova
can i send you plugin list and you tell me what could it be?..
rustic cobalt
Nope
teal sun
Hey by the way @rustic cobalt, how does one get the verified tag?
rustic cobalt
I just got it randomly given to me one day
teal sun
lmao
leaden ocean
Plugins can do some weird crap, a lot of which isn't given away by what the plugin is supposed to do. Saying which could be causing it is a shot in the dark, Calex :P
teal sun
Ahhh I see, thanks @rustic cobalt
rustic cobalt
Well, all I can tell you is that it's some plugin which is interacting with netty directly or a plugin using protocollib
Anything else would be pure speculation
pure quiver
@gilded nova ouch
Sorry bro my mods follow the guidelines and don't discriminate when it comes to bans. You got caught and have to deal with it. I don't tell them how to moderate, only give them the tools
gilded nova
I enabled my 2fa now. and i still do not understand when "i" made that message
I was only one day online 1 week before. but i cant remember when i made that message.
pure quiver
That message wasn't made on our Discord
gilded nova
It was on mrc
But still
I never ask stuff like that
I have enough money to buy plugins like that
@pure quiver cant i get unban if i order a plugin right now?
hybrid loom
.....
pure quiver
If we enforced a strict policy on not allowing people who use leak plugins or promote leak plugins you can't be mad at my staff for following the guidelines that I set. In my opinion they did a damn good job
I mean I do understand that it may be BS
pure quiver
And maybe a little strict just because you are simply asking but can't say that it wasn't wrong if I told them to enforce a strict policy against leaks or leakers
gilded nova
But still i cant remember, and i mostly never asked stuff like that.
pure quiver
And honestly that has nothing to do with my plugins specifically. More in general just because ethically it's not right
hybrid loom
We have the proof, we have your ID, which is unique for every user, so it was your account. End of discussion!
gilded nova
did i say it's not good andre?
pure quiver
The only thing I can really say is maybe making alt account or something? Just because I'm the owner doesn't mean I have the authority to overturn a legit band made by one of my staff. If I were to unban you it kind of tells my staff that we can pick and choose who can leak in who can't I guess?
I just don't feel it would be right for me to be involved
I saw the discussion and proof and I feel like the moderator was right regardless of who it was
pure quiver
I'm just saying on my end it would be wrong to overturn a legit ban when the proof is there
Regardless of who it is
It would basically mean that the rules mean nothing
gilded nova
@hybrid loom I just remembered when i write that message.
It was on the day when i just wanted to test the plugin to see if it worked and when it worked i wanted to buy, but didnt know that leaking too.
outer vesselBOT
Hey JohannesHQ! Please don't tag staff members.
pure quiver
I hope you see where I'm coming from in aren't mad at me though
I do see both sides but again I do applaud the staff for enforcing the rules
gilded nova
Im not mad
Im just from the netherlands so some things what am i saying sounds mad but it's not like that.
pure quiver
I'm just saying I hope you're not directly mad at me for my staff to enforce the rules that I set
gilded nova
@pure quiver I know i dont get unban for it but can you send this to the dev so he can see it. https://i.cursehq.com/firefox_2018-06-28_19-09-06.png
pure quiver
Honestly I don't even know who the developer of that plugin is
the thing is we do have a strict policy against people leaking premium plugins because ethically it's wrong regardless of who made it even if I don't know them
gilded nova
Oh 64BitJava said hes in your discord
pure quiver
I understand the philosophy of open-source but there is a market for premium plugins
pure quiver
And I respect that market even though it may not be something that I think is the best way for Minecraft even though I'm affiliated with it
gilded nova
he has legit more than over the 1000 plugins lmao
pure quiver
What if I told you that I have over a thousand plugins that you have never seen
Lol
Amount means nothing to me
pure quiver
But yeah honestly I don't know that developer but I respect the fact that he made a premium plugin and also will respect the fact that it is premium
gilded nova
Why dont you make prem plugins?
pure quiver
I have premium plugins
gilded nova
oh really?
pure quiver
You own Deluxe chat don't you?
pure quiver
A better question would be why don't I make more?
gilded nova
ye
pure quiver
Because honestly I feel like the premium plugin system has kind of degraded the community
hybrid loom
@pure quiver Time and family?
gilded nova
Oh
pure quiver
Even though I'm a contributor to that
pure quiver
I have told myself that I would not release another premium plugin
You know I don't make money on free plug-ins LOL
gilded nova
just asking
pure quiver
Do I care? No because it's not really about that
pure quiver
If I could go back to when premium plugins first started
Even though I have made a shit ton of money off of them I think that if I know what I no now compared to what I knew then
I would have never made any of my plugins premium
gilded nova
Also, i want to make dtags globally like, when someone select a tag it applies on all servers.
is there coming a feature for that soon?
It should be really cool
pure quiver
That's something I'm actually working on
gilded nova
Cool
cant wait
I asked it soo much times.
I already asked it 6 months ago in help chat
xD
When are you planning to release it?
pure quiver
Possibly
gilded nova
Nope
hybrid loom
It has.
regal nebula
can anyone help me setup luckperms on bungee cord
gilded nova
@pure quiver i have one suggestion to maybe make in feature
an plugin called "staffmanagement" like staff chats (bungee), idk
teal sun
@pure quiver hey could you invite me to your server in dms please? Sounds like a good place to be as I'm learning more about plugin dev
Also, anyone know how I can attach my own arbitrary values to a ProxiedPlayer in bungeecord? On login I look up information like their discord name which I'd like to attach to the player so I can use it in chat formatting and stuff
pure quiver
Just create a wrapper for the player that contain the values you want to associate with the player
hybrid loom
Man I love this music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXj4wR70Xf0
frosty sand
better
hybrid loom
I don't use Shittify
twin warren
lol what's wrong with it
potent prawn
channel support in dchat, when π
pure quiver
See the thing is I like to listen to music around the house so Alexa handles all of that
If I'm in the car I'm using my phone so I tend to use Spotify which is great because all of my favorite songs are in my playlists
potent prawn
alexa sounds pretty cool, haven't really looked into it that much
pure quiver
Some paranoid people don't like it because they think the government is listening to you
I actually think it's pretty sweet
potent prawn
god i hate those people
pure quiver
I can be anywhere in the house and say Alexa play classic rock
And after that the music plays
I have Google home also
But I think the Amazon Echo is better
rustic cobalt
oh no, the government is going to hear me kno... nvm
pure quiver
Google home gives me nothing but issues when I want to set up Bluetooth or connect to Wi-Fi
potent prawn
can you rename alexa?
pure quiver
I mean the Google speech recognition is better
Honestly I'm not sure that's a good question
I don't even call it Alexa anymore though
Lexa is recognized so that's what I say lol
rustic cobalt
potent prawn
like what if you have a friend called alexa
pure quiver
I'm pretty sure you can change the key word to trigger the echo
potent prawn
BYE FELICIA ALEXA
pure quiver
I don't think you can set it to anything but I'm pretty sure you can change it to a few things aside from Alexa
Only 4 options but there may be an add on to enhance it. Idk haven't looked
fierce vector
Are you using it for anything other than music?
Like have you got any smart plugs or lights?
pure quiver
Yeah
fierce vector
Now that is cool π
pure quiver
The lights are cheap but the "hub" to connect the lights to was kind of expensive
fierce vector
What brand?
pure quiver
fierce vector
Oh yup same as what Iβm playing with
pure quiver
Currently have all my lights running it aside from the bedroom
fierce vector
Where you from clip?
pure quiver
Usa
fierce vector
Really 60 us
Dam
Can you buy like a starter pack?
What do the plane bulbs cost?
pure quiver
Well I got the echo plus and it came with 1 of the bulbs. Then my wife got me another 8 bulbs so at that point I had no choice.
She didn't realize u need the hue to use them
So we got that after we had the bulbs
The bulbs were 50 USD for 4
So like 12.50 a peice
timid latch
Ye, I use alexa. Pretty sweet to be fair
Especially when tired and you dont want to get out of bed to turn the lights off π
I have the colored lights but rarely ever use the colors.
pure quiver
It definitely makes me feel cool to not have to get up to dim or turn off the lights
rustic cobalt
Currently using TP link bulbs which don't need the hub, pretty nifty
timid latch
My parents both told me it is just lazy. Then I got mine and they saw, I ended up getting both my mother and father one for their birthdays π
pure quiver
I mean we kind of had this technology back in the 90s with the clapper
fierce vector
Yea my brother is big into the coloured lights thatβs how I ended up with the hub to test as itβs cheaper for him to buy the starter set with 3 lights and a hub then buy them individual
timid latch
Used to love my clapper lamp, clip haha.
pure quiver
They're supposed to be more efficient than regular light bulbs as well
timid latch
Or my click lamp
pure quiver
And last longer
timid latch
I'd expect them to last longer. The price of them is so high
rustic cobalt
Yea, LEDs
timid latch
Plus, they can dim so I suppose.
pure quiver
Heck yeah at first I was kind of tripping on the price
fierce vector
My house is already full LED any way but I like the whole automation thing
pure quiver
My first reaction was $50 for four light bulbs what the f
timid latch
Yea π
pure quiver
All in all I think it was worth it though
rustic cobalt
Ended up getting this tp link bulb as my halogens kept blowing every few weeks :/
Just kinda made sense to invest in a bulb that would last a while, and even more bonus points that I can dim it and stuff
fierce vector
I even bought a raspberry pi to run some software that links all my stuff together and records energy usage etc (Iβm still playing with it so it should do more cool stuff as I go)
pure quiver
That's sweet
You want to see what my best friend is doing with Raspberry Pi
He has been building these custom arcades
fierce vector
I love the pi yea my wifeβs cousin has an arcade rig made with one
pure quiver
I'm actually surprised because it has been a quite successful business for him
The prices are just ridiculous
I didn't think anyone would buy them at first
Now he has so many orders for them he can't keep up
fierce vector
Yea I would definitely buy more piβs to do projects now that I have used one they are really easy to use especially if you are already familiar with Linux cmd line
pure quiver
I don't think he's doing much to the pi himself. Pretty sure there is an os he uses that's made and pre configured for the emulator stuff
fierce vector
Yea there is
pure quiver
But he's doing a lot of work building the cabinets and setting up the buttons etc
fierce vector
And also once you have set it up once you can just clone it
pure quiver
He sells them for like 1000-2000 depending on the size
He said the cost in materials is about 400-800 depending on the screen size etc
So it's a profitable side gig when you can do a few each weekend
potent prawn
i need to learn how to do that
pure quiver
It's just wood, vinyl for the graphics, drilling a few holes, wiring the buttons up, and putting it together
I mean probably a little more complicated than that but not much more as long as you can cut a straight line and measure accurately
potent prawn
yeah i don't know anything about putting bits of wood together π
maybe when i eventually meet my dad he can help teach me a few things like that
bronze loom
tiny slate
@digital field What resource pack do you use? xD
fossil iris
Woodworking is not that hard, especially for something like mdf (I assume that is what are the cabinets are made of)
Labour intensive ofc and mastering it needs time and practice, but anyone with a handsaw, a T-square and some determination can began it
pure quiver
Yep but they have a template so it's pretty much trace and cut now
Router for the edges so the t molding pops in
Ezpz
potent prawn
instructions unclear am ded
gilded nova
thats really cool
digital field
polar thunder
so guys, who can help me?
i need find what is causing the lag in one of my servers
im willing to pay more then 100$ for anyone to help me
rustic cobalt
Timings is going to be your best "easy" bet, beyond that you're going to need to hook up a profiler
hybrid loom
Maybe The plugin from Luck called Spark can help π
potent prawn
^
hybrid loom
It shows what on the server uses most ram, etc.
rustic cobalt
I doubt it would show the information needed, the horrors of watchdog is that it explodes over a single tick, so you only really want the last minute of timings
polar thunder
last minue before the server crashs, right?
let me open the server again
when i open it in 1min he got 50+ online
rustic cobalt
Hook up a profiler, i.e. yourkit; You're going to want to enable sampling and see what's going on in the last minute before the server crashes
rustic cobalt
they have instructions on their website
polar thunder
look
im /lag command (im only using clearlag to view the ram usage) when i start the server i get 16gb max and allocated memory in 6g, after 5min with server online the allocated memory get 16gb
i think thats a memory leak, right?
polar thunder
(cd "$DIRECTORY"; java -Xmx${memalocmax}G -Xms${memalocmin}G -XX:+UseG1GC -XX:MaxGCPauseMillis=50 -XX:+CMSIncrementalPacing -XX:ParallelGCThreads=2 -d64 -server -jar spigot.jar)
xmx = 16, xms = 2
but i have a dedicated with 64g
rustic cobalt
No, that's standard java behavior
java doesn't clear unreferenced objects immediately, it waits until it determines it needs to run a GC in order to clean out the old objects
polar thunder
hm, ok
im tryng to know how can i install that yourkit
one question, i need dump my server with it online or not?
rustic cobalt
How do you expect a program to read memory from an application which doesn't even exist in memory anymore?
Also, no need for a heap dump, once again; you've yet to show that you have a memory leak and are just placing the assumption that it is a memory leak (which, it more than likely isn't, in which case a heap dump will not help you whatsoever)
polar thunder
online I mean with a players or not
rustic cobalt
Well, ideally the servers actually been running for some time so that the behavior which exhibits issues is allowed to occur; no point trying to debug issues on a server when your server isn't producing those issues
potent prawn
dont forget to wipe
rustic cobalt
- running a heapdump WILL crash the server
- Once again, you've yet to show that you have a memory leak. Stop taking heap dumps, they're useless for you at this point.
polar thunder
first step
how can i know if im getting a memory leak?
honestly, i'm really bad at this things :/
rustic cobalt
all that shows is that your server took too long to tick
Which is, once again, why you should hook up a profiler.
polar thunder
about the spark plugin : https://sparkprofiler.github.io/?qJFluokePE
rustic cobalt
Don't use that plugin, use a proper profiler
polar thunder
yourkit, right?
rustic cobalt
That plugin likely aint going to help all too much with watchdog issues
polar thunder
let me install that yourkit
leaden ocean
It can be used to capture lag spikes, but not watchdog, no
Forge has some great resources, but you'll need to install an external profiler for spigot. Either warmroast or YourKit would do
rustic cobalt
it'd be nice if somebody was crazy enough to create something like warmroast/spark that would also try it's best to dump out stuff last minute on the process closing, that would also retain some form of time
leaden ocean
Essentially what sampler does on Forge? It creates stall reports which contain everything being executed when it stalls
rustic cobalt
(at that point it's easier to just get out the real tools, however)
Never seen a sampler output from forge
leaden ocean
This is a stall report ras sent me as an example https://gist.github.com/Rasgnarok/aa81ea88e9d48feb478e753bba754db6
rustic cobalt
yea, that's basically what watchdog poops out
leaden ocean
With sampler, you can also specify it to create a lag spike report, which you can define the size of. If you specify 6000ms as the limit, you may get a report. I haven't tried before
rustic cobalt
only, watchdog is more "we've not ticked in X amount of time, so we're just going to dump all thread stacks and stop the server"; debating on adding something that's basically before that last resort which gives a better picture instead of the "oh crap" that watchdog does (and 99% of the time misses what caused us to run over anyways)
polar thunder
im installing yourkit
elec, do you want to have access to my root to see what is happening?
silver pulsar
- do you have root enabled?
- why'd you give it out like that?
polar thunder
i trust him
I do not know anymore what to try to solve my problem, I'm a week into it and every day I lose more players
silver pulsar
You're usually supposed to disable the root user since it's usually not very secure
twin warren
yourkit instrumentation profiling is often less accurate than warmroast
due to the overheads of running it
rustic cobalt
Well, yea; You can run it in sampling mode which basically does the same thing as warmroast and stuff, major advantage of proper tooling is they keep the time data instead of sorta averaging it out
twin warren
what are you trying to debug
sampling is averaged by definition
that's just how it works
rustic cobalt
I'd say yourkit, mainly as you'd be able to focus the sampling down into a timescale which might provide better info; warmroast might do the trick, but no idea if warmroast lets you save a snapshot as the process dies or something, not used it in a long time
polar thunder
alll things
i have got 400 online in the last saturday
server have started to crash, low tps, every things
and I can not find the reason
twin warren
you're going to struggle to hold 400 players on one instance
polar thunder
im willing to pay more then 100$ for who can help me
twin warren
it's just not reasonably possible to do that
polar thunder
i have a bungeecord, only one server was getting lag
sorry for my bad english, im not a native zz
twin warren
how many players were on that specific server
polar thunder
in 1 hour i got 330 online
and the server have started to crash
and so on
this is the spark of 10min ago
polar thunder
with 50 online ( i lose so many players cuz the server was getting so many lag..)
polar thunder
so now, the tps is 12...
twin warren
Luck - Today at 21:20
you're going to struggle to hold 400 players on one instance
it's just not reasonably possible to do that
ok, run another report then
polar thunder
running, 1min
i have one dedicated 64g i7 6700 only for bungee
and other same for my too servers
twin warren
not really relevant
leaden ocean
So either report that to the author or find an alternate plugin
twin warren
sure
polar thunder
1min
polar thunder
i've remove both
twin warren
if you fix those two plugins then you should be okay
polar thunder
restarting the server
idk why but the server are taking too much to restart/start
in the saturday i was restarting it in 15s
now i have wait more then 1min
twin warren
well
surely you can see which plugins are taking a long time
unless you just have hundreds of them
rustic cobalt
Yea, keeping your eye on the console as it starts is a good bet, many plugins and even the world itself load data into memory on startup which depending on what's there can grow
polar thunder
i've 60pls :/
as i sayed, i dont have changed anything, with the sameplugins the server starts in 15s in the last saturday and now in 1:30m
starting it to see the spark, one sec
rustic cobalt
and as I said, plugins store data; if those plugins load that data on startup, as your server runs, they have more data to deal with and load as the server starts up
polar thunder
makes sens, but 10s to 1 - 2min, :/
server online, turning on the spark, let me wait 1m
twin warren
check your tps first
polar thunder
15-18...
the best way to check the tps is the /tps?
cuz i have other plugin that shows the tps and numbers of /tps are different of the other
twin warren
no just use /tps
polar thunder
./tps shows 18-20 and the other shows 16-18.5
rustic cobalt
/tps (so long as you don't have a plugin screwing with that) is always going to be the most accurate way of seeing the TPS
twin warren
30 seconds to 1 minute is probably long enough
twin warren
the longer you leave it running the more accurate the results will be
polar thunder
twin warren
not really lagging
polar thunder
./tps are in 17 :/
rustic cobalt
I'd consider using paper over spigot, especially for larger numbers of players, the work put on it can have amazing effects on performance even on the most strained setups (timings v2 is also a godsent over v1)
polar thunder
its a while lagged, im on the server
i was using the tacospigot
but even with it the server was getting lag
rustic cobalt
Either way, Taco or Paper are much better options over Spigot, even if they don't help much for performance, the way timings v2 records information can make it easier to spot spikes
( I mean, they probably will help for performance in general, even if it's not going to act as a silver bullet)
rustic cobalt
get new ones, I don't care about day old ones
twin warren
it's not really going to give you any more useful info than spark will
if you're experiencing lag spikes then you can try following the instructions here
twin warren
neat
polar thunder
when i got 3k ticks my server lags
twin warren
mhm
try running /profiler start --only-ticks-over 500
wait for some of those 3k ticks to roll through before stopping it
polar thunder
like - 5s playing without any lag, 2s LAG ALL and back to more 5s playing without lag
"an active sampler is already running"
twin warren
/profiler cancel
twin warren
gonna guess they're GC spikes
twin warren
garbage collection - basically the server cleaning up used memory
so easy way to debug that sort of thing, you need a "real" profiler to work out what's got high allocation rates
if you're not already, try using aikars startup flags
polar thunder
like yourkits?
Luck, can u see it in my dedicated, please?
I can send for u 100$ in pp
I can send rn
I really don't know how can I work with profiles
twin warren
nop, I've got to go
polar thunder
I really don't know how can I work with profiles
polar thunder
Ok, I'll create a thread
If u have time to see it for me, I can send for u 100$ only for look and if u fix I send 300
rustic cobalt
It looks like it's going to rain :3
polar thunder
Electronic, can u do that for me?
I'm really don't know how to work with profile
π
prisma mesa
Does anyone know of balanced configurations of mcMMO or Jobs that can be purchased?
gilded nova
im peeved, theres no option for sublime >:) http://i.aeternumstudios.com/Git-2.18.0-64-bit.tmp_2018-06-29_18-26-17.png
polar thunder
Anyone knows how to install the YourKit in a dedicated? I'm having too much difficulty to install it .. π
gilded nova
I hope all this waiting for 1.13 is worth it.π€
rustic cobalt
The good news is that the internals for MC seem cleaner in general, most of this is a technical update with the next update pulled back for content to justify the time taken, On the other hand, bukkit is now going to be performing class transformation on classes as they load, wooooo
thorn bluff
What are they gonna use it for, the class transformations?
rustic cobalt
mapping legacy material names in older plugins
ancient parcel
anyone knows a good auth plugin for sponge ?
leaden ocean
Quite literally none. That's mainly because sponge offers 0 support for cracked servers
viral notch
@ancient parcel https://forums.spongepowered.org/t/flexiblelogin-v0-17-for-sponge-7-auth-plugin-2fa/8872
Here you are, friend.
That should work for what you want
ancient parcel
@viral notch I tried it but one problem for this auth plugin is.. you can actually see other people's login password on the txt file
viral notch
π€· give file access to people you trust only then?
bronze shoal
Yeah it's been done like that :D I restricted access to the file :D
Just sucks that it's sent in plaintext, little inconvenience
viral notch
Yeah, I understand your concerns
But I guess that would be the best solution, games647 already made other plugins like one to restore skins in servers with online-mode=false so idk
(it's funny how they will accept certain types of plug-ins if you phrase things in a different way)
@bronze shoal @ancient parcel weird, he says on the plug-in thread that the passwords are hashed and salted with BCrypt
Maybe you mean they appear in the logs?
bronze shoal
Yes they are hashed and salted nicely but they still get sent in the logs, that's the only concerning part
but it's not that big of a deal, the logs are not accessable by just anyone anyway
viral notch
:I
bronze shoal
Thank you for the help though!
sonic shard
I use a custom verification plugin that makes them put their 2FA code in our Discord server.
This makes it extra secure because they would have to get access to their Discord and Minecraft account as well as somehow getting hold of their 2FA code.
upper ivy
lille
If I do a 1.12 Practice server
Nobody will join it
because all the pvp players play in 1.7
that's everything
novel jewel
If they like your server, they will update.
upper ivy
No bro
novel jewel
This is the same excuse we hear people say in #spigot and #paper every week.
novel jewel
If people like your server, they will update.
twin warren
the servers we're talking about aren't adding custom content lille
novel jewel
There's certainly servers that have updated.
upper ivy
lille it it just the community, I can't do anything, me too I prefer 1.7 for PvP
novel jewel
I recommend you Luck to not bugfix almost 5 year old software. It will only let server owners being lazy and not move forward (with the rest of the entire world).
twin warren
i don't go massively out of my way to :p
100 or so lines that never have to be updated
upper ivy
?
novel jewel
cc @rustic cobalt about people using outdated software ;p He can tell you all about the reasons people claim to be valid, which they are not.
rustic cobalt
There are behavioral changes which affect those who actually care
upper ivy
Luck what is the solution of the bug please ?
novel jewel
Update your server to 1.12.2 and take part of newer software with bugfixes and new content.
rustic cobalt
Shamefully, some of those changes are routed in how the client handles movement which affects the feel, ontop of the other changes; Some are reversible with a plugin, some are not; Ultimately, if people want to run an outdated version, let them; Just, my general stance is that if you're going to run outdated software you should have the capacity to support yourself
upper ivy
Luck ?
twin warren
patience my friend
upper ivy
Ok np
crimson saffron
@twin warren
outer vesselBOT
Hey AstroPossum! Please don't tag staff members.
crimson saffron
I was looking at Tamir
Your other wierd little javascript plugin
would you suggest it for just casual plugins
just to bang stuff out really quick
twin warren
yea
twin warren
what do you mean
crimson saffron
Like how we have try(){}catch(){}
Kinda a stupid question but I've never worked with nashorn. Only pure java.
And I don't feel like setting up a bunch of stuff to write a plugin that pokes at a sqllite database
twin warren
try {
// something
} catch (e) {
if (e instanceof IllegalArgumentException) {
// something else
}
}
syntax isn't quite the same
crimson saffron
10x better than all the old shit
crimson saffron
been administrating servers since beta 1.4
LuckPerms is the chemo to cure the cancer of Pex
pex was a fucking trainwreck
Also @twin warren any suggested guide for learning maven / gradle?
outer vesselBOT
Hey AstroPossum! Please don't tag staff members.
crimson saffron
Been working with java since 2014 and never bothered to dig that deep
Now I'm regretting it
rustic cobalt
look at existing configs and basically pick it up from there, these tools offer ways to create a "blank" config, as well as sane IDEs offering project templates for these
crimson saffron
gah
For now I'll cut my teeth on the sponge api and ignore tapir
Eventually I'll convert my plugin to use maven
twin warren
:p
crimson saffron
or just never opensource it
my workspace folder... it cries for mercy.
It wishes for the sweet release of death
Everyone has to start somewhere, I'll start with a motd plugin for my needs
rustic cobalt
what IDE are you using?
rustic cobalt
and thaaats why I use IJ π Was going to say that there was a pretty nifty plugin that basically sets up maven/gradle projects for you for the major server platforms on IJ
crimson saffron
I tried IJ
Just too used to eclipse now
Eclipse + Notepad++ + nano
the ubuntu server lover starter pack basically
I'm a bit of a heathen I guess.
teal sun
What's tamir / tapir?
@crimson saffron good luck! Ping me if you need help, I recently learned
crimson saffron
https://github.com/lucko/tapir @teal sun
Also I finally got my first gradle build to work
yay
teal sun
@crimson saffron thanks and gg
crimson saffron
and it all broke
well I'm going back to a non gradle based build
I'm also remembering why I started to fall out of love with Java and in love with lua / python
gilded nova
somenone ban me/get me out of the server please
ban me or whaever i dont care it ss just spam
teal sun
@SkyGamer911#9606 just leave bro
fading pecan
I love my mother.
round lava
Hello, repeating from general - can someone ask me where i can find in my server application.properties of mysql? i whant to establish setting useSSL=false
for my launcherserver
i need to find this one, but i cant find it
round lava
its not minecraft - it mysql itself
rustic cobalt
There is no "application.properties", that's just info for a specific application
you'd need to modify the config of whatever is causing the messages
gilded nova
Unknown Factions sounds meh
gilded nova
It could use some work, but it is good for now
vast dome
well the server is ready for a launch π
jsut need to fix the DAMN!!! commands
i have to add 100 commands XD
shet...
vast dome
how do you make a Admin Shop with signs?
polar thunder
Brazill
burnt tendon
i have problem on my rcon
i create a rcon and enable that in config and set the oirt to 25567 and password as well
rustic cobalt
We need more information about your setup
burnt tendon
what you need?
rustic cobalt
Well, information like who you're hosting with might help, your firewall setup, etc, etc
hybrid loom
Noob-question: For what is rcon actually? π
rustic cobalt
send command, get response, basically
hybrid loom
ok.
burnt tendon
i know what is rcon and i allow rcon port on firewall
rustic cobalt
We need information.
Saying "i allowed it" instead of showing your setup gets us nowhere
We'd much rather be shown a set of firewall rules which says you've done it properly than to be told that "everything is setup perfectly"
burnt tendon
i go to firewall and create a new role on pirt 25567 and set that to allow
rustic cobalt
Show. us. the. list. of. rules.
rustic cobalt
Then you're on your own, we can't provide help without any form of relevant information about your setup
teal sun
@burnt tendon what's the issue?
potent prawn
@blazing mirage look at the config around line #203 for DiscordSRV, it tells you how to sync roles from minecraft to discord
blazing mirage
will do thank you
potent prawn
basically you need to get the role id from discord, and add it as a permission to the group you want to sync it with
but don't forget to negate the permission in any groups that may inherit it, otherwise they will sync with multiple roles
blazing mirage
in luck perms negate what
potent prawn
discord.sync.################
blazing mirage
oh so every rank will have their own
potent prawn
yeah, you don't want say admin inheriting the role of moderators
blazing mirage
line 210 i dont get GroupRoleSynchronizationRoleIdsToSync: ["000000000000000000", "000000000000000000", "000000000000000000"]
do i make my own id here
or i paste all the discord id roles here
potent prawn
that's where you paste your role IDs
and those same IDs go into the permission i posted above
blazing mirage
okay makes sense thank you
potent prawn
π
fossil iris
Heyo, Luck can you help me with BungeeGuard?
latest from jenkins & 1.12 fresh BungeeCord, Paper
I have this problem:
On logging in backend kicks me with
[15:41:29 WARN]: [BungeeGuard] Denied connection from ee20838a-db96-3e8b-920f-ffa6d263b4a7 @ 127.0.0.1 - No properties were sent in their handshake.
[15:41:29 INFO]: /127.0.0.1:59435 lost connection: Unable to authenticate.
and whenever I join to the bungee, the console gets this trace:
https://hastebin.com/ajojuqijiq.lua
twin warren
latest version of bungee?
fossil iris
yep
twin warren
proxy in online mode?
fossil iris
offline, ip forward enabled
twin warren
might be why
handler.getLoginProfile() is returning null
handler being the InitialHandler instance
idk why that would be
but guessing the being in offline mode could have something to do with it
fossil iris
yup, the culprit was online mode
fossil iris
I don't even need it, but got curious
after digging, and debugging a bit I've found that the loginProfile in InitialHandler will always be null on offline servers, because the method that is responsible of filling up the class instance with data is only called when you log in using "online"
So technically it shouldn't matter if it's filled with bogus info on offline servers (correct me if I'm dumb)
Soo, how ugly is this?
static void inject(InitialHandler handler, String token) {
LoginResult newProfile;
if (handler.isOnlineMode()){
LoginResult profile = handler.getLoginProfile();
newProfile = new SpoofedLoginResult(profile.getId(), profile.getName(), profile.getProperties(), token);
}
else{
LoginResult.Property[] props = {new LoginResult.Property("","","")};
newProfile = new SpoofedLoginResult(handler.getUUID().replaceAll("-",""), handler.getName(), props, token);
}
try {
PROFILE_FIELD.set(handler, newProfile);
} catch (IllegalAccessException e) {
throw new RuntimeException(e);
}
}
fossil iris
yeah, that's much better, thanks for the fix
outer vesselBOT
Hey CelexGames! Please don't tag staff members.
hybrid loom
@median widget Instead of doing such a wateless thing, report it to Discord itself, if you really think that it breaks their ToS
median widget
How?
hybrid loom
By contacting support?
Also to answer some questions:
Username and avatar: To show, who actually owns the discord, if you add one
E-Mail: No idea
See your guilds: To see, what guilds you own.
kindred mirage
Discord Trust and Safety team might be a good place to start.
https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/categories/115000168351
hasty stone
lmfao
steel pelican
1.13 is estimated to be the end of July. As pre-release 6 came out very recently.
digital lance
My players are all making plans already. Like I'm going to have it upgraded the moment Mojang release.
steel pelican
Not the best idea. Wait a little while first to give plugins time to update. Otherwise things may break or not work correctly.
digital lance
First you have to wait for Spigot.
Then you have to wait for updated plugins, and also to update any private plugins
Then you have to test
tiny slate
Does anyone use EzRanksPro with luckperms? and if so then how do you get it to promote your users?
gilded nova
From what I've seen md_5 looks pretty caught up with 1.13 changes, so Spigot might not take all that long
I'm more concerned about plugins like EssentialsX / WE
hybrid loom
I'm pretty sure they will be fine....
They may take their time, but it shouldn't be that long I guess...
polar thunder
anyone knows how to fix the /echest dupe using freecam hack?
fossil iris
huh, do you happen to have more info on this dupe glitch? (also some proof)
server version, client version, spigot build etc
is it only for /echest or works with other "player vault" type plugins?
teal sun
@gilded nova essentials does that
gilded nova
@tribal helm
I just need the essentials yeah?
I mean no essentials protect or thos things
tribal helm
Nono
gilded nova
ty
hybrid loom
He means to use EssentialsX and not Essentials
viral notch
let me see
viral notch
ok nvm, the option I was talking about is actually for when a player is teleported with a command
