#support-1 | LuckPerms | Page 919

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:16 AM

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yes

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now i'll do the weight tmr

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i'm way to tired get started

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Once you do weights, the scoreboard should show the correct rank

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Alright

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can i go up by one ?

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or does it have be high numbers

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Like can i jsut go 1-100

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 3:17 AM

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higher weight number is a higher priority

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Can do anything you want. We recommend doing it in intervals of like 5 or 10 or 100

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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usually increment by like 10 or 100

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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alright

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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just incase you want to add ranks inbetween

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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one more thing

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for the A-Z rank do they need wieghts?

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weights*

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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Yeah best to.

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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alright sounds good

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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It's also good practice to match the groups prefix weight with the actual group weight

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:19 AM

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alright i'll try tmr

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im heading bed

abstract lion Jul 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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hey guys, new to setting up perms and donator ranks as this is my first attempt at a server.. when making ranks for regular players and ranks for donators, do i need to separate those two categories of ranks when making tracks?

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or do i need to keep normal ranks, donator ranks, and then also staff ranks in one track together?

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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It's really up to you how you're wanting to set it up.

hasty tree Jul 20, 2020, 3:28 AM

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best to separate groups into different tracks

abstract lion Jul 20, 2020, 3:29 AM

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super

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one more thing... i looked around on the web for a rank up plugin to work in unison with the ranks ive set in luckperms, but didnt really get a clear solution to the problem. im looking at using deluxe menus right now and just configuring a /rankup command to trigger some luckperm commands to rank up. Would that be the best option or am i making it harder than it is?

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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There are many different way's to do it. Find a way that best suits you and your needs.

abstract lion Jul 20, 2020, 3:35 AM

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yeah, i guess i was more asking if you know of a simpler way than that. I dont feel like doing unnecessary config work if i can avoid it, I just couldnt find a plugin or anything that had more options listed than the deluxe menus option that i found

hasty tree Jul 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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it's not really something we can suggest unfortunately

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you could ask in #general

abstract lion Jul 20, 2020, 3:47 AM

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cool

still wing Jul 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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ty omega it worked

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:55 AM

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one more thing... i looked around on the web for a rank up plugin to work in unison with the ranks ive set in luckperms, but didnt really get a clear solution to the problem. im looking at using deluxe menus right now and just configuring a /rankup command to trigger some luckperm commands to rank up. Would that be the best option or am i making it harder than it is?
@abstract lion https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/rankup.17933/

SpigotMC - High Performance Minecraft

Rankup

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Any reason all of our ranks would have randomly corrupted?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Did you close the server improperly?

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Its runs 24/7

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:07 AM

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it corrupted while it was running?

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:07 AM

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The ranks were on a mysql server, all other files on that server are fine though so its kinad weird

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and yes

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:07 AM

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i don't really know all the reasons for files to corrupt, got any errors/stacktraces I can take a look at?

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also, more importantly. do you have a backup

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:08 AM

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We did not. I have the entire .sql file though

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:08 AM

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and while the stacktraces from right now are kinda useful, the ones that appeared when it corrupted are more so

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oof no backup?

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:08 AM

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no

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we were planning to setup backups a few days after.. but then it corrupted

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:09 AM

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im not sure what to say, you can google methods to try and recover a corrupted sql file but those are certainly not guaranteed to work

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again, if you can pastebin any errors that would be epic

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:11 AM

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I dont have access to the things like phpmyadmin and stuff, its hosted on a friends pc and i dont have the login, he just sent the .sql file and it showed it was corrupted. and on mc we get the no permission data error

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:11 AM

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The server console would show something when it corrupted

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or if you can't find that, at least the full error from when you start it up now

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the 'no permision error' could be any number of things

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:13 AM

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ill restart the server and send the console

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would i send bungee or the hub server?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:13 AM

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wherever you see a big thicc stacktrace

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again are you certain you do not have any logs from when it corrupted

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:14 AM

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i can check how far back our logs go and try see

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:15 AM

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it would be right around the time people could no longer join

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:16 AM

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They go back to april so i have to check through a few

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:17 AM

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people haven't been able to join since april?

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:17 AM

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No they have i just dont remember when it started not working

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:18 AM

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i can't emphasize the importance of making backups - if this server has been running since april, I'm surprised you haven't needed to use it before

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:20 AM

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I think we may move to a different mysql host so we will have auto backups done there

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:21 AM

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you can just run lp export <anyname> to make a backup of your perms as well

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at any time

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:22 AM

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where would it sabe

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save*

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:22 AM

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the luckperms folder in the plugins folder in your server directory

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:22 AM

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oh ok

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i just get a bunch of errors, probably becuse things are broken?

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https://pastebin.com/7CskKr2d

Pastebin

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Access denied for user 'server_844938'@'%' to database 'server_844938_b1619980'

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if you read the error

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you will see that it is likely not corrupted

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:25 AM

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it made a backup though

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📎 pleasework.json.gz

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:25 AM

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wut

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:25 AM

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0 bytes nvm

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:25 AM

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it's not corrupted

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read the error

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please

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your mcserver user was denied access to the DB server

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idk where you got corruption from

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:26 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20200717_144334.jpg

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And no server details have changed so there is no reason it should be denying access

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:27 AM

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With the absolutely tiny snippet of error you sent me, I can't see any indication of that

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The most likely thing is something changed on the MySQL server's machine

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if you can't provide more error than that, that's all i can say

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Thats the only error i got from console though

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Then what I've said is most likely true

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!errors

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 6:28 AM

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🔖 Storage system errors

Here's a page with some common storage system errors.

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:29 AM

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there's a guide here on giving a user full access

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Do i have to specify port 3306

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on the sql servers ip

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:34 AM

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no

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however it appears you have the connection info correct

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again, and for the last time, please read what I'm saying

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I am, it just makes no sense. Others can connect to the same server

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I mean, your minecraft server luckperms plugin has a user and password

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for the database

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those credentials seem to be unable to access the database

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also im not sure how you're testing if other people can connect to the MySQL server, but whatever creds they're using, use those because they obviously are allowing access

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 6:38 AM

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I'll speak to the person about getting the details changed :/

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Yeah turns out after a ram failure in the server permissions got ruined

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 7:04 AM

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That's why it's best to always have backups. Because things will go wrong.

grizzled sorrel Jul 20, 2020, 7:20 AM

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yeah when this is sorted we will take daily backups

lost grail Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Hey, can anyone help someone who's super clueless

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 AM

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!ask

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Please ask your question!

Please ask the question you have. Don't ask to ask, or ask to DM someone. There are people here to help you, but we need to know what to help you with, so please just ask the question you want to in as much detail as possible!

Or, try here first:

https://github.com/lucko/LuckPerms/wiki

Why shouldn't I ask to ask?

https://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html

lost grail Jul 20, 2020, 7:57 AM

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@toxic wagon Is there a way to make regular players not see tons of admin commands when they type commands?

For example, in my trading plugin, people can type /trade and see "TradeSystem.Modify" in the autofill

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Hey Bovix! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

lost grail Jul 20, 2020, 7:57 AM

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oh sorry

swift sinew Jul 20, 2020, 7:58 AM

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bovix is the problem that when they go to type out a command, they see commands in the autocomplete you don't want them to?

lost grail Jul 20, 2020, 7:58 AM

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yes

swift sinew Jul 20, 2020, 7:58 AM

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do they have permission to actually run those commands

lost grail Jul 20, 2020, 7:58 AM

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No

swift sinew Jul 20, 2020, 7:59 AM

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hmm that seems like a problem with that particular plugin not handling autocomplete well then

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 7:59 AM

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@lost grail It's not really a luckperms issue. So #general If people don't have permission to use the commands, it's not really an issue.

lost grail Jul 20, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Alright

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Are there any commands to display your most current prefix based on the "prefix.0.prefix" permissions

swift sinew Jul 20, 2020, 8:31 AM

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you can see all of a user's prefixes with /lp user <name> info

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Yes, I know. I'm trying to make an interactive gui where players can change their prefix based on what prefixes/ranks they have access to.

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I want to add a feature with a playerhead on the bottom that informs the player what their latest set permissions is.

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What command would that be?

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 8:33 AM

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%luckperms_prefix%?

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 8:33 AM

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Maybe but

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the way I run my GUI is through the command setprefix.

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So, would that rly work?

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 8:34 AM

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I mean so long as it sets one with a higher weight than any groups they have and you've told the meta-formatting to display the users highest inherited, it should show

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Okay, is there any way to make a rank with a lower weight display in front of one with higher?

swift sinew Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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!tracks

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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🔖 Tracks

Tracks provide a method for you to promote/demote players along a track (or ladder) of groups.

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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!meta

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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🔖 Prefixes, Suffixes & Meta

You can set prefixes, suffixes and other meta data in LuckPerms for players and groups. Note that LuckPerms does not manage chat. You need to use another plugin to show prefixes/suffixes in chat.

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Should hopefully be explained on that page

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Alright.

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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sorry

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!stacking

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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🔖 Prefix & Suffix Stacking

Display multiple prefixes/suffixes alongside a player's name.

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 AM

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This is the one i was talking about

swift sinew Jul 20, 2020, 8:39 AM

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say, what's the recommended way to back up the LP database

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should I export it through LP, or is mysqldump enough

sour slate Jul 20, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Can I use luckperms to order the ranks in tab from highest to lowest? Atm the highest ranks are at the bottom. ty

toxic wagon Jul 20, 2020, 8:47 AM

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The order is upto your tablist plugin

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 8:49 AM

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helloo

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How to fix?

sour slate Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 AM

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thank you Omega

subtle citrus Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Hey i get this issue in my console (getting spammed for a bit and then stops) > [03:49:25 WARN]: Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: me.lucko.luckperms.lib.bytebuddy.dynamic.scaffold.subclass.ConstructorStrategy

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 9:21 AM

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You only need to ask once@subtle citrus

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What server version are you running

ebon charm Jul 20, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Hey, How can I change the prefix from groups?

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 9:43 AM

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What would be the correct placeholder? %player_prefix%? %lp_prefix% ?

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To show your prefix, basically.

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 AM

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!placeholder

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Sorry! I do not understand the command !placeholder
Type !help for a list of commands.

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 AM

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!placeholders

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 AM

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🔖 Placeholders

Display data such as user prefixes and groups from LuckPerms in other plugins.

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 9:54 AM

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I believe it’s %luckperms_prefix%

noble panther Jul 20, 2020, 10:17 AM

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What are luckperms dependencies?

hasty tree Jul 20, 2020, 10:23 AM

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none

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but you may need vault for prefixes

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 10:24 AM

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And a chat plugin to display the prefix

noble panther Jul 20, 2020, 10:29 AM

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any troubleshooting methods? or fixes to the issue?

hasty tree Jul 20, 2020, 10:29 AM

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what issue?

noble panther Jul 20, 2020, 10:29 AM

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I have luckperms, but groups arent working.

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Im trying to add mainly ccoreprotect and advanceban but they arent working :P

hasty tree Jul 20, 2020, 10:30 AM

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!faq may be a good start

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 10:30 AM

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🔖 FAQ

Check out some of our frequently asked questions.

noble panther Jul 20, 2020, 10:30 AM

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Thanks

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👌

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 10:33 AM

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You may need vault for other plugin to recognise lp groups

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Question for weight since i also own prison server, do they A-Z ranks should they be lower than all the other ranks

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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i need help setting up the ranks from the beggining

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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!setu[

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Sorry! I do not understand the command !setu
Type !help for a list of commands.

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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!setup

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Sorry! I do not understand the command !setup
Type !help for a list of commands.

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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wasn't that a thing

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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! setup

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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one sec

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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!help

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Available commands:

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!advanced
!api
!argumentbased
!ask
!bulkupdate
!bungee
!cauldron
!chat
!colours
!commandequivalents
!commands
!config
!context
!default
!downloads
!editor
!errors
!essentials
!extensions
!extracontexts
!faq
!helpchat
!inheritance

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!install
!locale
!meta
!migration
!notworking
!nowildcard
!pasteit
!permissions
!placeholders
!selfhosting
!stacking
!storage
!suggestions
!switchstorage
!sync
!tracks
!upgrade
!usage
!userinfo
!verbose
!weight
!whyluckperms
!wiki

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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i need help pls

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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!install

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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🔖 Installing LuckPerms

You can install LuckPerms on Spigot/Paper, Sponge, BungeeCord/Waterfall, Velocity and others. Check the installation guide for more info on setting up LuckPerms.

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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i have it installed

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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alright than you can open the web editor

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and it'll be a lot easier make ranks from there

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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k ill get that open

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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if you go in game and do /lp editor

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and click on groups

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 10:43 AM

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k

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wait a sec

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im getting ingame

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 10:44 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfp5Sz3m5p4

YouTube

Diamondxr

LuckPerms Permission Plugin

●Hey DiamondRushXD here, LuckPerms is an advanced permissions implementation aiming to be a fast, reliable and flexible alternative to existing permission plugins. The project's main goals are centered around high performance and a wide feature set, filling the gaps of functio...

▶ Play video

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Now about the weight for my ranks how do i set them properly

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so like should the A-Z be the lowest and Default rank higher than The Prestige Ranks and then so on

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and on the track whenever i do /rankup it sets me back to the default rank permissions, it shows me that i have the owner prefix in chat but if i do any perms or something like that it sets me back to the default rank in the prison track

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 10:53 AM

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🔖 Weight

LuckPerms allows you to set weights in order to determine the priority of certain nodes, like permissions and even prefixes. A higher weight number is a higher priority.

silk kelp Jul 20, 2020, 11:10 AM

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How can I display prefixes with Luckperms (Bungeecord).
Example:

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bitter coral Jul 20, 2020, 11:26 AM

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You can't with LuckPerms.

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You need a own plugin for thag

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Tobi

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how do i turn this off?

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bitter coral Jul 20, 2020, 11:36 AM

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/lp log notify off

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 11:40 AM

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how do i gove some1 a rank

tardy forge Jul 20, 2020, 11:41 AM

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/lp user {Username} parent add {rank}

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 11:41 AM

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ok thx

tardy forge Jul 20, 2020, 11:41 AM

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np 🙂

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 11:41 AM

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(:

shut jewel Jul 20, 2020, 12:04 PM

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!network

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 12:04 PM

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🔖 Network Installation

If you run a Bungeecord network, learn how to correctly setup LuckPerms on all server instances (including Bungee).

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:33 PM

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also the track and parent commands section here will help

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!command

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 2:33 PM

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🔖 Command Usage

Find all of the available LuckPerms commands on the wiki.

General commands

User commands

Group commands

Permission commands

Parent commands

Meta commands

Track commands

Log commands

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wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:34 PM

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well let me go make the track and remove it quickly

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Hey I was wondering if there was anyway that I could create a area in which people have acces to certain commands and when they leave that area that they dont have acces anymore :D

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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alright so like that for that

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little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 2:35 PM

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use worldguard @hexed walrus and extra context

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!extracontext

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 2:36 PM

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🔖 Extra Contexts

Add contexts not supported by stock LuckPerms.

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:38 PM

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Oh boi this wont be easy XD

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I'm new to all of this so a lot of trial and error. Are there any YouTube tutorials by any chance? Xd

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:39 PM

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for worldguard and extracontexts specifically? not really

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you can find how to make region with worldguard though

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that's an easy google

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Yea that isnt that hard

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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and then for EC just read the github readme/wiki

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it's short and simple

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Alright

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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if you don't understand contexts

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!context

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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🔖 Context

You can set a permission or group on a per-world/per-server basis, through what we call "contexts".

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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this wiki is what you need

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Lol tnx I will propably need that

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:40 PM

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but you won't be setting it per world or server, with EC it will be per wg region

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Yea

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I just have 1 server with multiple worlds so I wanna create a hub where people can teleport to a mini game world or survival for example:)

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:43 PM

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ah, sounds good. you can set permissions per world without EC or worldguard, but for a region in a world yeah you'll need to go deeper

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Yeah that's what I thought

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In combination with a commandsign plugin people will be able to teleport then

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Because for some reasons I cant create portals with multiverse/core

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Perhaps because I'm on 1.16.1

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:44 PM

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although if you want this server to be good™️ (totally subjective) you'll face a lot less problems with a bungee network. Many small servers for minigames is better than many big worlds on one server, especially performance and exploit wise

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Yea I've heard alot of bungee network

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It's just a server for friends like 10 max

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So it should still be fine I suppose

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:45 PM

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the prestige permissions are still not being given

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:46 PM

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you're still very likely not in the prestige group you need to be in lol

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this is up to your setup

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if you're not in the group, you won't get the perms

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:46 PM

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but how do i set it so it gives me it

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 2:46 PM

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/Lp user playername parent add groupname

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I think

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:46 PM

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but i still maintain my original rank etc

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:46 PM

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I don't know exactly how, that's entirely up to you @wheat flame

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:47 PM

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well i got no idea 😅

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I can't see/config your setup for you, you'll probably get it from just playing around with it and trying to get it to give you the appropriate group

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:01 PM

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i made a permission tree with lp tree essentials <user>, but when i follow the link it's not there

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just has a button to view a demo?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Don't specify a user i think? try just lp tree essentials

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:03 PM

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im just trying to see all the permissions a default player has

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permission info obviously wont show what i want

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:03 PM

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can't you just look at the editor for default group?

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:03 PM

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that shows the permissions i have assigned

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not the ones they get by default

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:04 PM

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very very few plugins (especially good ones) assign any perms by default

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you nearly always have to specify what perms a user has

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:04 PM

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essentials gives a few

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but i still would like to check, if possible

little sphinx Jul 20, 2020, 3:04 PM

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i think ask essentials support ?

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!moss

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Essentials

Make sure you are using EssentialsX and Vault for prefixes. For any other issues with Essentials, you should seek support in either #general or the official EssentialsX support Discord.

EssentialsX Discord

https://discord.gg/casfFyh

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:05 PM

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@hearty birch maybe just lp tree <user> will also show for a default user

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if not, lp tree . <user> should

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:06 PM

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this is all it shows

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:06 PM

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what link do you get

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:06 PM

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when i did lp tree <user> it said unable to generate tree. no results were found

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and it made https://luckperms.net/treeview/ejWbSSR0zq when i did lp tree . <user>

LuckPerms - A permissions plugin for Minecraft servers.

LuckPerms

LuckPerms is a permissions plugin for Minecraft servers.

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:07 PM

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im getting this https://i.imgur.com/apt8m9m.png

Imgur

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:07 PM

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i get that in chrome

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:07 PM

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I think it might be browser lag

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:07 PM

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first pic is firefox

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:08 PM

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@hasty tree what have you doneeee

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finn it's got certain info, one sec

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:08 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:08 PM

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https://bytebin.lucko.me/ejWbSSR0zq

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your info is there

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almost certainly browser lag

steel prism Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I saw that Luckperms supports the new hex colors, but how would I define a color for say, a prefix?

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Is it &#xxxxx like other plugins?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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it's up to the chat formatting plugin you use - it sets a format for that and you just use that one

steel prism Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Oh ok

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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it may not show in the LP commands/previews but it will work where it counts

steel prism Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Ok gotcha that makes sense, thanks

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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np!

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Larry that doesn't actually show the info, just empty json

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:11 PM

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finn that link doesn't have things for you?

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:11 PM

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just expand the json

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it's all empty

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it just shows all possible perms with {}

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:12 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/bNTTuBn.gif

Imgur

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:12 PM

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checkResults

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i think is where it is

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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i'm not sure what you're referring to - from what i've seen of tree, that's how it should be showing?

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although Im not super familiar with json so i might be missing something

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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i was looking under tree but it's under checkResults

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:14 PM

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yep

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@hearty birch could you make an issue so Turbo can take a look at what's going on? Include the link to the tree
https://github.com/lucko/LuckPermsWeb

GitHub

lucko/LuckPermsWeb

Website & online apps for the LuckPerms plugin. Contribute to lucko/LuckPermsWeb development by creating an account on GitHub.

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:20 PM

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have done

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Okay i've set it like this in the config, but when i do /rankup or /prestige i don't gain any of the perms

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or access

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but when i do /lp user GalaxyPlaysz parent set Thug it gives me perms and stuff

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:23 PM

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well ofc

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Isn't this an #general kinda conversation or am I wrong

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:23 PM

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thats when i run the command in game

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:23 PM

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set /prestige to promote you on the prestige track?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:24 PM

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i'll try that again

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but it hasn't worked

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luckperms user %player% promote prestige

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alright so i have it like that for the prestiges right

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:25 PM

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IMO rankup3 is much easier to use

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:25 PM

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tim no need to upend this

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Galaxy yep pretty much

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Sorry laz

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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would i do the same for the A-Z rank add it to track aswell?

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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why does that run parent add Z

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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That looks very much like a server pro editor

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:26 PM

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no i'm asking if i change it to that

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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don't you have a track for a-z ranks?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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ya

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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then you don't need to use parent add

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Lp user promote

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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when they prestige, have it run parent settrack to move them back to a (if that's what you want)

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:27 PM

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it's all confusing me like Ugh,
So this what i'm trying to do let me xplain better

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Is this is for prison im sure we know how it works but if its different then sure go for it

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:29 PM

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So they're at the A rank than they do /rankup than now there at B rank so now they should have access to the A and B mine right. Now skip over they're now at the Z mine last A-Z rank and now they run the command /prestige and now they have prestige they're A-Z rank has been reset back to the A rank, but they have all the permissions form the prestige rank + the A mine rank

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if that makes sense

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and yes tim it's for prison

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 3:29 PM

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i gave perms to my default rank but it didnt work

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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!verbose @fair valley perhaps this will help?

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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🔖 Verbose

LuckPerms provides a verbose command to help you find out what permissions a command/plugin is checking.

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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i gave perms to my default rank but it didnt work
@fair valley I can help you in #support-2

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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ok

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:31 PM

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so run the verbose command

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for it to find the perms needed?

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oh wiat that wasn't for me

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:32 PM

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nah for you, just set it so when they run /prestige it sets them back to A and promotes them on the prestige track

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:32 PM

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and for that i just do
luckperms user %player% promote prestige

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:32 PM

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gotta love when a plugin automatically gives users the ability to reload the config

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:32 PM

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and for the A-Z i just do /luckperms user %player% promote prison

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:34 PM

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and for the A-Z i just do /luckperms user %player% promote prison
@wheat flame for a-z yes, after z (from z->a) run lp user <name> parent settrack a prison or something like that to bring them back to a on prison track

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:35 PM

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that's when they do the /prestige at the Z rank right

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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yes

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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gotta love when a plugin automatically gives users the ability to reload the config
@hearty birch what plugin lmao thats cooked

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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instead of prison i change prison to the prestige track

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hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:36 PM

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worldeditselectvisualiser

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Didn't for me lol

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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users can do /wesv reload

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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@wheat flame you'll need to run 2 lp commands - one to move them back to a on prison track, and one to promote them on prestige track

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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alright

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:37 PM

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is a on track prestige

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i do not think so

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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my bad

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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and it's promote prison

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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users can do /wesv reload
@hearty birch just set that node to false then haha

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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i did

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it's just stupid

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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It is

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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it shows promote?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Surely they didn't actually do that

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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should be promote prestige for the first one @wheat flame

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@foggy quartz mind moving this to #general ?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Yeah I was going to but conversation ended

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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so goes like that

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:39 PM

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what

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i've literally told you the second command

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and it is not that

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the first one is fine

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:40 PM

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UGH i really need learn

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so isntead its

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lp user %player% parent settrack promote prestige

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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the second one is lp user <name> parent settrack a prison

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you could also literally jsut scroll up to see that 😛

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I'm already at lost i'm just confused boy 😂

prisma forge Jul 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Hey, does anyone know how to remove a displayname from a group?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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set the displayname to the group's actual name and it should go away

prisma forge Jul 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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How do i do that?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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lp group <name> setdisplayname <group name>

prisma forge Jul 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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thank youu

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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@wheat flame i have literally told you the command twice now why do you change it to not work

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look at the parent settrack command under parent commands here

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!commands

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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🔖 Command Usage

Find all of the available LuckPerms commands on the wiki.

General commands

User commands

Group commands

Permission commands

Parent commands

Meta commands

Track commands

Log commands

‎

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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i put the thing u said

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lp user %player% parent settrack a prison

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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look at the screenshot you sent

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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oh the promte

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promote

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And why is it a prison tho?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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you have a track called prison with ranks a-z right

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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yes

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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and a prestige track with the prestige ranks

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right

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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awesome

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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ye

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:44 PM

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so your first command is fine

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the second one is designed to move them from z back to a on track prison

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Correct

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so lp user %player% parent settrack a prison

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:45 PM

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so you still haven't looked at the parent settrack command on the wiki eh

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yeessss

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yeeessssssss

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:45 PM

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OHHHHH

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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wait

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I have no idea what i did but i'll pretend like i do 😂

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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i had it backwards

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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lp user %player% parent settrack prison a

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it's track first, and then group on track to move them to

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:46 PM

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let me put that in

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alright both commands added

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now lets go for test run

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Ok so erm

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I rankup to Z than did /prestige right

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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is possible to purge old players? i got 1.430.000 players

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wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:51 PM

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and still it doesn't give me it

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@modest vector people in default group will be cleared once the server restarts

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@wheat flame what commands exactly have you set the plugin to run, and what does lp user <name> info show

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:53 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:53 PM

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ok so you have group c

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something is very wrong with your setup

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group a in server h? is server h a thing?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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no?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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then remove that lol

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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is server free a server?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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how i remove that?

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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@modest vector people in default group will be cleared once the server restarts
@proud hound why that dont happen?

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Hey JuanCruz! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:54 PM

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and no none of them are

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:55 PM

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then you have those groups added to your user with context or you've set your promote commands incorrectly

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:55 PM

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i think did the contex wrong

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how do i remove it from a user

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@modest vector I don't know - are you changing their group after they join? what version of LP are you running

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@wheat flame use the editor and just click the x on the group.groupname node you dont want. Save and applyedits.

dense crow Jul 20, 2020, 3:56 PM

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any1 could help me setting up for an apex server?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:56 PM

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not here, this is LP support

dense crow Jul 20, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Ye, I wanna use LP in the server but don't know how to install it

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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!usage

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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🔖 Usage

Here's a guide to help users understand and use LuckPerms for the first time.

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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alright edits applied

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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send lp user <name> info Galaxy

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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wait do i remove the C group too?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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do you see what groups you're in lol

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:57 PM

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A c default owner

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remove those i'm guessing?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:58 PM

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remove all your groups but default

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:58 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:58 PM

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that works too

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now rankup once

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and send user info again

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 3:59 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 3:59 PM

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good, once more

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:00 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:00 PM

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awesome now go all the way to Z

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i created a group called user and the default group got a parent with him

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:01 PM

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i'm at Z rank

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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you in group a

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that's simply what happened

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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How i fix it so it gives it properly?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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do you have it set to promote on every rankup?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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ya

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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the same exact command?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:02 PM

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luckperms user %player% promote prison

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that comamnd for all of them

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A-Z rank

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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did you go past Z

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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no

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i ddi /rankup till i reached Z rank

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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what happens if you do it again

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:03 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:04 PM

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your rankup to Z is set to move you to a

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those two commands need to be in a 'rank' after Z

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:04 PM

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whaa

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I don't understand

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Galaxy I can't explain how basic this is to you

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:05 PM

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i am not the sharpest tool in the shed

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Wait so your saying right

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When i rankup to Z

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it's moving me back to A

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:06 PM

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for Z, in your plugin, you have it set to say "Player ranked up to Z" but the actual commands it runs set the user to A

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:07 PM

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any of those cuz the issue?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:07 PM

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🤦‍♂️

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Galaxy, that's the section where the two commands we discussed earlier go

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:08 PM

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:08 PM

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the one that moves them to a and prestiges them

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:08 PM

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😅

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let me move that back up

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do i set it for all 3

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:09 PM

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just prestige-cmds

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the other two can be empty afaik

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:10 PM

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they'd all look like first one

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alright leave others empty

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 4:11 PM

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i can change the primary group from usuario to default?
i tried with bulk edit

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wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:11 PM

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ann than for here i replace thsoe 2 commands with - luckperms user %player% promote prison

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:17 PM

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@modest vector you're not answering my questions, so I dont know

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ann than for here i replace thsoe 2 commands with - luckperms user %player% promote prison
@wheat flame yes

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 4:18 PM

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im running 5.1.26, in the past i changed the group with default-assignements

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:19 PM

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i ran the /prestige command

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🤷

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 4:20 PM

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i think we solve it with bulk edit but i dont see the change in the mysql database
/lp search group.usuario

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onyx mist Jul 20, 2020, 4:26 PM

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How do I give a group all of the permissions? Do I have to add them individually?

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:26 PM

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add that

nocturne chasm Jul 20, 2020, 4:30 PM

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!nwc

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Wildcard issues

Some plugins are created in a way which results in odd behaviour when the root '*' wildcard is used.

More information:

https://nucleuspowered.org/docs/nowildcard.html

onyx mist Jul 20, 2020, 4:31 PM

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so [/lp group admin add permission * true]?

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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lp group admin p set *

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 4:39 PM

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It's still not giving me proper permissions and stuff

ornate grove Jul 20, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Can someone help me?
I want to set 2 tags in a nick to appear in the chat
example: [Vip]
[Ranking] and [Nick]
how do I do?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:43 PM

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either stacking if [Nick] is a group prefix, or another plugin that handles nickname tags? if that's a thing

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!stacking

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 4:43 PM

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🔖 Prefix & Suffix Stacking

Display multiple prefixes/suffixes alongside a player's name.

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Hey just a quick question

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For example i have a plugin called eggs

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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eggs? that's the whole plugin? neat

ornate grove Jul 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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[Nick] is not a group prefix

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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And i want to disable all the egss commands for a group .
Is there a way i can do that with one command. Or do i have to set each command individually to false for that group

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:48 PM

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the eggs commands should be false by default

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if they are allowed by default, set them to false

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 4:48 PM

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So I have to go then thru all the commands individually if there on by default

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:48 PM

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what would be the console command to give a player a certain permission?

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i wanna give a player the permission deluxeprefix.cry

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how would i phrase that?

hexed walrus Jul 20, 2020, 4:49 PM

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For example people in my server can use worledit commands without OP. So I had to disable them all 1 by 1 and add the players to that group

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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done

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Hey, i have a question

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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@hexed walrus do worldedit.* and set false on the default group

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whats ur question, derpy?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I need to give permission to a group to use worldedit

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Alright.

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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basically, i need my group "mod " to be able to use worldedit

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Alright, go into LP.

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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but not my group "default"

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okey

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Have you made groups?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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yes, i am in the web editor

vital quiver Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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alguem fala pt-br?

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Se hablar espanol.

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@foggy quartz basically, you want mod to be able to use all features of World & Default players none?

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I'm pretty sure default players can't use worldedit without perms automatically?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:55 PM

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no, i want mod to have access to the worldedit plugin

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Like, the config? Or to use it?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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i want mod to be able to use it but not any other group

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see?

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Alright, first option.

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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the default, is that u need to be op

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Go into Default group, add the permission WorldEdit.* and set false

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Then do the same with Mod, but keep it as true.

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:57 PM

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worldedit.true?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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no

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worldedit.*

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 4:58 PM

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and then true?

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after that?

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seperately

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?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 4:59 PM

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in the command yes

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in the editor, the green true button can be clicked to become a red false

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

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oh ok

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okey

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i'll try it out

mint totem Jul 20, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Did it go well, Luke?

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 5:02 PM

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i am tryin got activate server

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*trying to activate server

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THX GUYS, IT WORKED

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🙂

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@mint totem @proud hound , thx so much

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Hey Derpyluke! Please don't tag helpful/staff members directly.

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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sry

tardy roost Jul 20, 2020, 5:07 PM

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any reason luckperms shows up in red? luckenables fine in startup

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maybe its the version>?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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if it's red it means it did not enable

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!paste the entire startup log

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Please use pastebin!

Seeing a paste of the problem makes everything so much easier! Use https://bytebin.lucko.me/ for easy pasting!

For console errors:

Pastebin any relevant segments of the console log. If it's a startup error, this includes the entire startup log!

Other errors:

Pastebin the entire LuckPerms config file (passwords removed) as well as any other relevant files!

tardy roost Jul 20, 2020, 5:10 PM

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it works in the console just not in game

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must be the version i wil try reinstalling

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!help

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Available commands:

‎

!advanced
!api
!argumentbased
!ask
!bulkupdate
!bungee
!cauldron
!chat
!colours
!commandequivalents
!commands
!config
!context
!default
!downloads
!editor
!errors
!essentials
!extensions
!extracontexts
!faq
!helpchat
!inheritance

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!install
!locale
!meta
!migration
!notworking
!nowildcard
!pasteit
!permissions
!placeholders
!selfhosting
!stacking
!storage
!suggestions
!switchstorage
!sync
!tracks
!upgrade
!usage
!userinfo
!verbose
!weight
!whyluckperms
!wiki

tardy roost Jul 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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!errors

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 5:13 PM

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🔖 Storage system errors

Here's a page with some common storage system errors.

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:14 PM

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please, pastebin your entire startup log

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it will not show red in /plugins if it works

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at least, it really shouldn't

tardy roost Jul 20, 2020, 5:14 PM

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im trying to fix it, hold up

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no errors in console but error in game

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Okay it was Chatmanager, essentilaschat fixes it it and shows up green in /plugins

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Weird

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support here kinda seems to be dead sometimes

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I quite literally immediately responded to you... in another server to direct you here, immediately responded to you here, and got told to shut up because you were handling it... by you

celest storm Jul 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Heyy! I've been having some pretty regular crashes recently, and for whatever reason luckperms always shows up in the threads like seemingly more than it should? I was just on the paper discord and they were saying it shouldn't have anywhere near as many threads as it does (like 190?) Here's the pastebin for it https://pastebin.com/GshbnK4S Is this normal? Any chance it might be causing my crashes?

Pastebin

[20:14:28] [HikariPool-1 housekeeper/WARN]: [me.leoko.advancedban.s...

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Hey larry

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hate to be the guy who doesn't know anything, but problem we did earlier it didn't work

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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LP looks fine, @celest storm , but dynmap seems to be the cause of that particular crash

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@wheat flame what have you tried since then

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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fixing it adding things and still nothin

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i've swapped the things you said to

celest storm Jul 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Oh wow! Okay! Hmm I'll see if there's maybe a more recent dev version of it then

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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perhaps send screenshots of what you have it set to do when you rankup to z, and what you have it set to do when you run /prestige

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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thats player info

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prestige

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📎 unknown.png

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Rank Z

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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when you rankup to Z what's your playerinfo

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:29 PM

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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your group hasn't moved anywhere

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I don't know why i put the commands

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luckperms user %player% promote prison to promote me when i do /rankup from the A-Z track

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when i manually run the command it works

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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well ofc

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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without the + i accidently added that

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Ofc?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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of course

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your rankup plugin seems to be going funky

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I can't really say for sure what's going on with that

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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should i make backup of it and reset it?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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why? It's probably working as you've set it to

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you've probably just set it wrong 😛

wheat flame Jul 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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well you siad its going funky

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well when i orginally got it it was set to use pex so i did my best change it from pex to lp

cold kayak Jul 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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is it possible to copy Group Permissions from 1 server to another w/o also modifying user's individual perms?

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I made a few changes to default group on local, and I wanna bring them to Live Server, but not change anything else

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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are they enough changes to be worth just not manually adding?

cold kayak Jul 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Haha, that was gonna be my last resort, but no, it was only a few 😛

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:45 PM

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perhaps best not to get into merging imports and just y33t it manually

cold kayak Jul 20, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Ya sounds good to me too, don't wanna over complicate things

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I´m having problems with griefprevention interaction again

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I have the * permission, but I cannot run the /ic command

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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!verbose is probably the way to go

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

#

🔖 Verbose

LuckPerms provides a verbose command to help you find out what permissions a command/plugin is checking.

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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verbose shows everything on "true"

#

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https://luckperms.net/verbose/#BZpVbfbDF9

LuckPerms - A permissions plugin for Minecraft servers.

LuckPerms

LuckPerms is a permissions plugin for Minecraft servers.

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I cannot ignore any claims

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:58 PM

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run lp verbose command <yourname> <ignoreclaims command>

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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nothing

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 5:59 PM

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send a ss of the output?

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and lp info output

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 6:02 PM

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📎 Bez_nazvu.png

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📎 unknown.png

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:02 PM

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your LP is outdated by a looot

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!update

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 6:02 PM

#

Downloads

You can download LuckPerms for Bukkit/Spigot, BungeeCord, Sponge, Nukkit and Velocity.

Link

https://luckperms.net

Additional downloads

https://ci.lucko.me/view/LuckPerms/

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 6:03 PM

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could that be the issue?

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it worked before

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:03 PM

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it would be why the verbose command command isn't working

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which is the most useful for diagnosing this

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so when you update try it again

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 6:03 PM

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then I removed my * permission and admin role and then put them back on

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and now it doesn´t

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other people with * permission can run the command

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:04 PM

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i'd be most comfortable saying more if you update LP and send the output of the new command feature to help diagnose this ¯_(ツ)_/¯

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 6:05 PM

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alrighty

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there isn´t anything I´d have to look out for when updating, right?

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all my settings will remain unchanged

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:05 PM

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just stop the server, replace the jarfile, and start it

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make a backup first

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and everything should be fine

upbeat bay Jul 20, 2020, 6:11 PM

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well

#

it works now

pliant sable Jul 20, 2020, 6:13 PM

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How do I get rid of the <Player_Name>

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The arrows?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:14 PM

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chat formatting plugin config

dark wyvern Jul 20, 2020, 6:17 PM

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essentialsx has a config option for that

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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I gave somebody perms to /TPa /sethome /home and /delhome but they still can’t do it y?

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Larry

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Pls help me

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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again, if you aren't more specific on what you've done I can't really say

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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With essentials

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Plugin

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:37 PM

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perhaps send the output of lp verbose command <name> /home for someone in default

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 6:38 PM

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I have but they don’t have any homes to go to

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:38 PM

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then run a command they don't have access to but should

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Ok I can’t acces console or the server atm should I come back tmr when I can???

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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sorry larry, what i can do with the 1,4M players? i want to purge them

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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probably? the console is pretty needed

fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Ok

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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@modest vector send the output of lp info

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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📎 unknown.png

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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you do not have 1.4 million players Juan

modest vector Jul 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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but

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fair valley Jul 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Larry i cant acces console but I can get a player on the server to do it?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

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if the player is op and you have a default player to test on sure

#

@modest vector rows, perhaps for some reason, but LP only sees 301 unique players

#

it's probably due to the storage system

#

I wouldn't worry about it, tbh

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Hey I have a problem with connecting to MySQL where is the support channel

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:48 PM

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right here

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!errors check this wiki

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 6:48 PM

#

🔖 Storage system errors

Here's a page with some common storage system errors.

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 6:48 PM

#

https://pastebin.com/vPqCs2pS

Pastebin

[20:44:30 ERROR]: [LuckPerms] Failed to init storage implementation...

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here is the error code

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I run pteradactyl

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:49 PM

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check the wiki, your error is there

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 6:49 PM

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okay thanks

#

when I try to connect to the db from my webbrowser it fails to load at all

#

Do you know why this could be

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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many reasons

#

Firewalls?

#

@magic dome might know of a few more ptero problems?

magic dome Jul 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Hm?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Ptero sucks and idk what might be wrong but I remember some localhost problem and some connection refused problems

magic dome Jul 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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Pterodactyl doesnt suck, its just a bit annoying to setup databases xD

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And yeah, you cqnt use localhost in pterodactyl servers, the reason for that is that every server is in a docker container (very small virtual machine) so to connect to the database you need to use the host IP of the docker network. In thid case the database IP should then be, 172.18.0.1 or 172.17.0.1

glossy current Jul 20, 2020, 7:02 PM

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https://bytebin.lucko.me/Zz8yO5qj5K can someone tell me what i did wrong

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/7cppah9.png

Imgur

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Firewall is most likely blocking the connection, or your server isn't connected to the internet.

glossy current Jul 20, 2020, 7:03 PM

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what does that mean

#

so something to do with my host?

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Sounds like it

glossy current Jul 20, 2020, 7:04 PM

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But it worked before :/

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like a week or 2 ago

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Ask them if they have any firewalls blocking the connection to the address in the error.

karmic onyx Jul 20, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Hey guys, I was told that I could ask my questions here. Can anyone tell me why after I followed the (first few steps) steps for the Initial Setup for LuckPerms, there is no configuration file generated in any of the server directories?

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 7:26 PM

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What version and type of server are you running?

civic tulip Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 PM

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will luckyPerms work on command Blocks? if so this way isn't working for me in command block. /lp user @p promote citizens

round wigeon Jul 20, 2020, 7:29 PM

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you don't use the "/" in command blocks

civic tulip Jul 20, 2020, 7:30 PM

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i removed it still nothing and this error too .citizens cannot be used as it is empty or contains only one group.

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:30 PM

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commandhook is a plugin that allows for its use in command blocks

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LP won't do it on its own

civic tulip Jul 20, 2020, 7:30 PM

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okay thx larry

karmic onyx Jul 20, 2020, 7:32 PM

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The minecraft version I'm on is 1.16.1, and the forge version is 32.0.70, idk what my server type is, I pretty much know nothing about it. It's hosted by ggservers.

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I was reccomended to use this version of LuckPerms - Sponge-5.1.79 since it's supposed to work with forge as it is essentially a mod.

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Have you installed Sponge?

karmic onyx Jul 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

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No, that wasn't mentioned in the initial steps

split veldt Jul 20, 2020, 7:34 PM

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You need Sponge to make Luckperms work

#

Sponge is the main base "mod" that allows sponge plugins to work.

#

LP-sponge is a sponge plugin

karmic onyx Jul 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

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Ohhh okay.

#

Thank you!

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

#

[21:14:38 ERROR]: [LuckPerms] Failed to init storage implementation What could be causing this

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

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literally a million things including the error earlier

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 7:45 PM

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I checked all of this

#

and the ports there open

#

is there a way in the config I need to write mysql

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for the storage type

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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well yeah, you just fill it out as it is

#

seeing the full error would help here

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

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How can I use placeholders in Prefix?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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with a chat formatting plugin capable of PAPI

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

#

https://pastebin.com/Gc48hc6R3

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https://pastebin.com/Gc48hc6R

Pastebin

[21:14:38 ERROR]: [LuckPerms] Failed to init storage implementation...

#

here is the full error

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:47 PM

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same error, communications link error, connection refused

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:48 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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I know, but it doesn't get replaced, both with % and {

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Luckperms won't be controlling its display

#

at least, it shouldn't afaik

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:49 PM

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    format: '{vault_prefix} &f{player_displayname}&8 >> &f'

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:49 PM

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also you should add that not as a prefix but as a part of the chat format

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if you're using EssX PAPI isn't supported afaik

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Yeah but it needs to be a 'prefix' so it works with JSON hover

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I'm not

#

I'm using venturechat

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 7:50 PM

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is there a way for me to try to connect to the mysql online with my browser to check it out

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:50 PM

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wdym works on JSON hover though

#

@gaunt ice not sure you can google how to check a db connection tho

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:50 PM

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VentureChat support hover on vault_prefix

#

📎 unknown.png

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So when you hover, it displays text over the prefix

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That's why I can't just put it in the chat format

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It needs to be part of the 'prefix'

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:51 PM

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use {luckperms_prefix} and be sure to download the expansion for factions and for luckperms

#

/papi ecloud download luckperms etc

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Okay thanks I'll give it a try!

#

Nada 😦

#

📎 unknown.png

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Same thing

#

Both with % and {

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:54 PM

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try restarting the entire server

#

reloads can be funky when multiple plugins are involved

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Okay I'll have to wait until the players are off...if It doesnt work what would you suggest next?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:55 PM

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I'd talk to Austin about it tbh, because I'm not sure that's really possible for a chat plugin to do. If you put the placeholders not as a prefix, do they work?

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Yes they do

#

They're like nested as it is so it makes sense it doesn't evaluate them

#

Maybe it's more of a Papi question too 🤷

#

"Can you evaluate a placeholder string"

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

what does papi parse me %luckperms_prefix% say

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 7:59 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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Doesnt work

#

Tried with both formats

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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yeah looks like papi as much if not more than VC

#

!papi

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

#

Helpchat

Helpchat is a general plugin assistance discord as well as the home of DeluxeChat, PlaceholderAPI, and many more.

Helpchat Discord

https://discord.gg/FtArYRQ

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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you can ask the kind folks here if they know of a way

atomic totem Jul 20, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Thanks 🙂

gaunt ice Jul 20, 2020, 8:18 PM

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okay so Larry now I got everything connected

#

I want to take the perms from my faction server and sync across the network how do I do this

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:21 PM

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if the faction server wasnt connected to the db before, disconnect again to what you were using and follow this

#

!switch

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 8:21 PM

#

🔖 Switching storage types

If you wish to change your storage type (e.g. to YAML or MySQL) you may need to follow these instructions to ensure your groups and permissions are migrated to the new storage type.

General commands

User commands

Group commands

Permission commands

Parent commands

Meta commands

Track commands

Log commands

‎

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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under Permission Commands

median vortex Jul 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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ok thank you!

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:33 PM

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np!

lofty flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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how do you grant someone a permission individually?? like i want to give someone access to gkits via command and its a perm "gkit.spooky" and ik the parent group is /lp user blah blah blah

median vortex Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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/lp user permission "perms' true

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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not quite

median vortex Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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darn it

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:35 PM

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instead of lp group <name> it's lp user <name>

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then it's just permission set <perm>

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no need to include the true, it's true by default

lofty flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:36 PM

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got it so /lp user [name] permission set [perm]

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:36 PM

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yep

lofty flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:37 PM

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got it thank you so much

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 8:39 PM

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how do u set priority of ranks again?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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!weight

wanton stratusBOT Jul 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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🔖 Weight

LuckPerms allows you to set weights in order to determine the priority of certain nodes, like permissions and even prefixes. A higher weight number is a higher priority.

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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i get a message about lag finding suffix/prefix every time someone joins the game like [Essentials] Permissions lag notice with (ModernVaultHandler). Finding prefix for .... i know it says essentials, but isn't that related to luckperms? any idea what could be causing it?

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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what's the value in ms it gives you

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 8:41 PM

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60 i think

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:42 PM

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eh that's .06 of a second iirc, it's not lag just Ess being sensitive

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 8:42 PM

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alright

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just makes me sad

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:42 PM

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just ignore it, you should be good. if that goes above 200 or so then you might need some help

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 8:42 PM

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alrighty

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thanks

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:42 PM

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np!

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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you helpful larry

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i appreciate

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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would owner be like 7 and member be like 1

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or other way around

hearty birch Jul 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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leave gaps

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big gaps

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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also just read the wiki

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it's stated a bunch of times

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in bold

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 8:43 PM

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fine

#

any helpers on??

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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why do you ask

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is it not better to simply ask your question

foggy flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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hey where do i go to reset all player data with lp? i dont see a player data file :T

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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lp bulkupdate users delete will wipe playerdata

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like all of it

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also, LP data is stored in an unreadable database to save storage space and speed

foggy flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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will it reset the groups and ranks config? i only want players perms and stuff removed

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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just player data

#

groups will remain

foggy flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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kk kewl thx :D.

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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np

foggy flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Thinking support here is almost allways instant xd its nice

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:50 PM

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peepoheart

foggy flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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PandaLove

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xd

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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so im working on a towny server and trying to set up the chat and i have luck perms added and i figured out how to fix the and the ranks show the only problem i am having is that the owner rank shows the prefix twice

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https://gyazo.com/03c7d8d3162ff64910e5c93b9dec98c4

Gyazo

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and i am not sure if this a towny problem or a luck perms

foggy flame Jul 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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is this right?

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proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:53 PM

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either you have 2 chat plugins (ex. townychat and essxchat) or townychat is set to display it twice. Just to confirm, does lp user <name> info show it twice @foggy quartz ?

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@foggy flame did ya... read the message above your command carefully? gotta enter the confirmation code

foggy quartz Jul 20, 2020, 8:53 PM

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https://gyazo.com/1dbb7af1577b16d32529babf79ebe64e

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i have in game ranks

proud hound Jul 20, 2020, 8:54 PM

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yes @foggy quartz it's the chat formatter, not LP displaying that twice