[SPOILERS] all season 9 changes leaked

[jaunty spire]

heres the imgur link from Rupal's stream:
https://imgur.com/a/XrLkhLp

i forgot to add spoilers to the title so if the mods can do that they can

[blazing shard]

[SPOILERS] all season 9 changes leaked

That is an extraordinarily big batch of images, if fake lol

[jaunty spire]

okay but holy shit what are they cooking with these why did they buff projectile sizes AND support healthpools too

[fresh gull]

i mean it'd be a bit silly to have all dps walking around with 300hp and supports still 200 😭

but neither of the changes were necessary

[blazing shard]

well from the images and that wanted leak, it seems that everyone is getting health pool buffs

[fluid light]

widow at 200 noooo

[blazing shard]

If I had to make an educated guess, I would assume that buffing health pools is an alternative to nerfing healing and damage across the board

[jaunty spire]

i kinda feel like ttk was fine right now because things already felt unkillable

where's the healing nerfs to compensate for more health

[fluid light]

damage got a new passive where dealing damage reduces healing

[balmy ivy]

Say you're lying rn

[fluid light]

it's in the imgur link

[sullen burrow]

this is so silly...

losing my minddddd

[balmy ivy]

No way

[fluid light]

JUNKER QUEEN BUFF LETS GOOOOO

[jaunty spire]

im not looking forward to this cuz it nerfs every dps except for the burst dmg ones even more 😭

[balmy ivy]

This feels like a completely different game lol

[fluid light]

she gets 90 wound damage from rampage

[balmy ivy]

Soldier will be so annoying to deal with, he's already so annoying

[fluid light]

rein buff too????

[balmy ivy]

Well finally

I love playing with Rein but he is literally the worst tank its sad

[merry bone]

excuse me what the fuck LOL

[jaunty spire]

rein buff is fine cuz everyone's got more hp too

[balmy ivy]

I mean Rein on the team LOL

[jaunty spire]

he still maintains his 3 hit breakpoint

[merry bone]

i think its really funny they buff projectile sizes for eveything but nerfed kiriko's

LMAO

[fluid light]

why is it the only buff cass got is to deadeye?

[jaunty spire]

again, i dont see how this affects the burst heal/sustain and immos

[fluid light]

pharah got a new ability

[merry bone]

i think buffing everything instead of nerfing the problem is such an ass solution

[fluid light]

dragonblade got a buff

[jaunty spire]

like sure you're gonna have less healing but theres bigger healthpools to burst too

they made the goats zen image a reality that mf has 275hp now

[fluid light]

doesn't this already happen?

[jaunty spire]

i dont think so im not sure

[fluid light]

junker queen has 525 hp now

holy fuck

[balmy ivy]

So wait there is still a chance for all this to be fake right?

[jaunty spire]

yeah its not 100% confirmed

[balmy ivy]

Praying its fake

[jaunty spire]

its gonna b so miserable trying to learn every breakpoint again

[balmy ivy]

Literally praying 😭

[fresh gull]

i strongly doubt it's fake

[fluid light]

the game needs a shakeup so I am 100% down for this

[jaunty spire]

IT DOESN'T

[fresh gull]

idk maybe by some miracle it will actually be more fun

[fluid light]

like DESPERATELY needs one

[balmy ivy]

Maybe...

[fluid light]

yes it does, we are so bored atm

[jaunty spire]

WE JUST NEED AN ALL ROUNDED SUPPORT NERF

[balmy ivy]

I honestly much rather would have OW1 back

[jaunty spire]

real

[fluid light]

no you wouldn't

[balmy ivy]

Without touching Mercy

[blazing shard]

a lot of people have been asking for a big shake up lately

[fluid light]

"We need a shake up"
shake up happens
"We never asked for a shake up"

[merry bone]

literally a global heal nerf wouldve done the same thing...

yeah i never asked for a shake up LOL

[balmy ivy]

OH my

[fresh gull]

I think these are 2 different groups of players

[merry bone]

^^

[balmy ivy]

I see a symmetra buff this is exciting

[fluid light]

A global health buff does the same thing, also, the pharah rework slaps

[balmy ivy]

I havent played dps at all this season because Symmetra feels awful

[merry bone]

pharah rework was alr announced that is NOT the issue lol

[fresh gull]

not really when it doesn't seem like most of the dps damage is buffed, it just makes killing people slower

[fluid light]

Symmetra is map dependent

[jaunty spire]

these are all changes for the sake of change to be very honest

[merry bone]

woob buffing everything else in the game and keeping the source of the problem the same just asks for history to repeat itself

[fluid light]

Also healing did get a nerf with the new damage passive

[merry bone]

thats like iintroducing inflation to the game

[merry bone]

also this

[fluid light]

The damage passive globally makes healing worse

[jaunty spire]

wow illari's gonna heal 100hp instead of 120 now because of a passive that really only benefits auto fire heroes

very good solution

[merry bone]

no thats a healing buff 😭 it introduces more healing to the game

now everything dies even slower

[fluid light]

How? The damage passive REDUCES healing

[merry bone]

yeah only stats wise, healing recieved is the same

[fresh gull]

no healing received is lower after taking damage

[jaunty spire]

yeah but the damage values remain the same with bigger health pools, which means you're gonna take the same amount of shots to kill someone

[fluid light]

You just have to do one damage and they can't heal as much

[jaunty spire]

tracer also gets a net nerf because everyone got 50hp more while she got only 25

which means she's gonna have a harder time killing people

[balmy ivy]

Yeah now she kinda is

I one trick her when I play dps lmao

[fluid light]

Cass got a nerf too

He had 225 hp not 200

[balmy ivy]

What is the nerf?

[fluid light]

So he is getting 250 hp rather than the 275 he should've gotten

[fresh gull]

im not sure if that line is correct

[bitter summit]

any skin leaks?

[fluid light]

Tho I am welcoming 2 queen buffs

525 hp AND 90 wound damage on ukt

This is chrimmus

[blazing shard]

the wording implies that when you damage someone, they will recieve less healing for x seconds

[fluid light]

Yeye

Tho this confuses me

[blazing shard]

unless people think that doing damage would mean you then get less healing?

[fluid light]

Doesn't Rocket Barrage already do this?

[blazing shard]

which why would they do that lol

[fluid light]

I think the damaged hero gets less healing

[jaunty spire]

i wanna know the values of that passive because it feels weird

[balmy ivy]

If this is real we better pocket Pharahs to climb lmao

[jaunty spire]

like bigger healthpools cancel out that passive cuz there is no nerf to healing

[fluid light]

It's only a 10% to 15% buff to hp

[jaunty spire]

compared to tanks that get a flat dmg increase on most of their abilities

[fluid light]

Tho widow will be fucking awful I realized

She got no buffs this patch

She only got the hp buff

[jaunty spire]

widow can still oneshot almost all squishies

[fluid light]

Not when they're all 250 hp

[balmy ivy]

Yeah but she can one shot Reaper currently at the right range

So she will be able to one shot most dps anyway no?

[fluid light]

It'll be way harder

[jaunty spire]

she does 300dmg for a full charged headshot

if anything hanzos gonna be worse

[fluid light]

Hanzo iirc does like 225 damage on headshot?

[jaunty spire]

240

he cannot oneshot anyone now

except for tracer widow

[fluid light]

He's gonna suck tbh

[blazing shard]

kinda happy about that ngl

[balmy ivy]

Deserved🤗

[merry bone]

only good change

[fluid light]

Tho storm arrows got buffed

So that is a good compensation

They do 75 damage now and have an 8 second cooldown

Tho I do wonder if suzu can cleanse the damage passive

[balmy ivy]

This still sounds so dumb

The dmg passive

[fluid light]

I think it's a good change imho

[balmy ivy]

They keep changing dps' passives

[fluid light]

Hanzo doesn't have a passive

[balmy ivy]

I mean overall dps

[fluid light]

This change is global to all damage heroes

Hope this one sticks

[balmy ivy]

Mhm

We'll see how it turns out

But it will be quite the nightmare when you're trying to heal a tank against like 3 people xd

[fluid light]

I mean it's been a common complaint that damage has felt like a cosmetic role

This change should be a 2 in 1

Make healing worse and make damage feel like it has impact

[balmy ivy]

Dmg is either too high or too low theres no inbetween
This is why OW2 is weird, everything is either there or its not there

Some games dps feel like a joke but some games the dmg feels too much lol

[blazing shard]

I can't really bring myself to get too worked up over these patch notes before seeing the whole thing or them in game, but it's interesting - I'm slightly worried about Mercy since she doesn't appear to get anything

Damage-Boost could go either way, in that feels less effective because bigger health pools but then also could potentially feel really good if ttk is indeed lowered. Mostly :/ at the support passive being nerfed to 2.5 seconds and her almost certainly getting hit in the crossfire again

[balmy ivy]

Exactly

Some buffs are indirectly either bad or good for mercy which is why im concerned lol

[gilded inlet]

I'm not gonna lie

the sheer amount of changes alone is raising red flags on the legitemancy of this all

[jaunty spire]

they said its gonna be a huge shakeup patch

this dropping alongside new comp is surely a decision™️

[balmy ivy]

Exactly

[gilded inlet]

like it's legit so much I can't take it seriously

[balmy ivy]

15 more days and we find out!

[sullen burrow]

mercy has suffered a death from a thousand paper cuts since s4

[fluid light]

They said they'll make a ton of fundamental changes

[sullen burrow]

literally nothing but nerfs

[bitter summit]

i cant read all of the balances lmao can someone do me a tldr

[fluid light]

She got the Valk beam breakage removal

[sullen burrow]

everyong got a bunch more health

most dps heroes have 300 health now

[bitter summit]

ha good fuck u hanzo

[fluid light]

Mercy has 250 hp now too

[balmy ivy]

Idk how relevant this is but when they went from Winston to Zarya theres no space between the names either
Meanwhile other times they have space between the different hero notes

[gilded inlet]

tbf it's only a notepad file that they're reading the notes from

[balmy ivy]

Hm yeah

[balmy ivy]

This might be an unpopular opinion but if mercy had maybe 225 (175 now) instead it would be kind of interesting

[bitter summit]

wait dealing damage reduce healing what? is this like a cauterize

[gilded inlet]

yeah

[bitter summit]

fuck

[balmy ivy]

LOL

[gilded inlet]

it seems like they're trying to offset support power and the increase in hp by this passive change

again, I'm not convinced like at all that these are real but we'll see

[fluid light]

It's 200 tho in s8

[bitter summit]

im scared if they change TOO much things it wont feel like overwatch anymore

[fluid light]

Also if she had 175 hp it'd be 200 in s9

[balmy ivy]

Wdym?

[balmy ivy]

My thoughts

[gilded inlet]

as in mercy has 200 hp now

[balmy ivy]

Yeaahh thats what I meant haha sordy

[fluid light]

Right now her hp is 200

[balmy ivy]

Yes it is

But I meant

[bitter summit]

so tracer's health got increased too?

[balmy ivy]

Since heroes will be at 250 she might be 225

[blazing shard]

One thing I will say - if these changes are real, I'll be especially annoyed that they didn't mention in that one blog post that the auto healing passive would take 5 seconds to kick in for DPS and tank, because that would've helped with the premature shitfest a lot

[jaunty spire]

she only got 25 more hp

[balmy ivy]

Now she would be 175 it would be interesting

[fluid light]

You mean damage and tank?

[blazing shard]

Oh whoop, yes I do

[gilded inlet]

also not to mention that if this is true there's gonna be so much chaos man

[balmy ivy]

The way it will be hard to get used to it lmao

[jaunty spire]

wait offtopic but how much hp does lw have rn

[gilded inlet]

225

with the patch notes tho, everyone at 250 now

[blazing shard]

sorry just wanna pin the op for easy access

[balmy ivy]

I mean can I be honest I don't 100% understand why they buff hp and dmg
Just nerf dmg to prevent 1 shots out of nowhere and keep HP the same
For example my mauga yesterday got deleted by non snipers in 1 second (his hp literally just disappeared without any reaction), why not just nerf that specific dmg then?

He was full hp btw

He got on point and the moment i put my beam on him he was gone

[fluid light]

Iirc lifeweaver is 275 hp now

His shield health wasn't touched

[gilded inlet]

yes, but he only got 25 additional hp

[jaunty spire]

he only got 25hp more

[gilded inlet]

everyone else got 50

[fluid light]

Bro is the only hero who went from 225 hp to 250

Except cass

But that's just bullshit

[gilded inlet]

|| lol ||

[fluid light]

Fuck "nerf genji"

Fucking nerf Cass it feels like

Bro's gonna become launch Lifeweaver at this point

[gilded inlet]

but less appealing smh

[fluid light]

Bogur is gonna do a UR2GM on Cassidy and be hard stuck plat

[gilded inlet]

in all seriousness yeah I aagree that cass is a mess rn

see now I'm thinking about wanted 'leaking' on stream the changes and now I'm like

[fluid light]

Cassidy just keeps getting fucking blasted with a nuke every patch

Bro is the worst character in the game and is getting a nerf and a deadeye buff

[blazing shard]

https://twitter.com/Metro_OW/status/1751732233272975728

Metro (@Metro_OW) on X

If Season 9 Leaks are real:

-Massive Nerf to Supports in General (more hp combined with new DPS Passive will make healing less powerful)

-Massive Nerf to Oneshots (And Kiriko 2/3 Tap, Hanzo and Widow will be way weaker)

-Massive Buff to Tanks

I'm down for it. CHANGE

Twitter · Jan 28, 2024, 10:21 PM

[fluid light]

My thoughts too

[blazing shard]

Yeah I'm not feeling super negative over this tbh

[fluid light]

Hopefully the game will be more balanced

Everyone is so broken that everyone is balanced

Tho they did say Mauga will get a buff to make him more aggressive and that isn't there

[bitter summit]

isnt he already super aggresive lol

[fluid light]

He's more beefy to all hell than aggressive

[gilded inlet]

I'm just generally surprised they would go about this way

[blazing shard]

Obviously I'm worried about Mercy falling behind and there's a chance this ends up fucking horrible but like - the projectile changes are hopefully small enough that if you're bad, it won't be noticable but if you're good, it'll feel better which I think would be nice

The health pool changes are interesting - I like the idea of them trying to remove the spikes where you instantly explode and a lot of people have described OW atm as "either you die instantly or nothing dies at all", and while I'm a bit worried about the latter, that DPS passive and no healing buffs sounds like it can work out

[gilded inlet]

Kinda worried about how lw will do with the new damage passive, but if he gets the bigger projectile size then maybe it could be alright? who knows

[blazing shard]

i dunno ive just kinda reached a point where i find ow discussion a bit tedious because people get really negative and really pissy towards people who aren't immediately huge doomers and it makes the conversation not really fun for me anymore - but then also i think criticism is valid and healthy and the ow balance team don't have a great track record

[jaunty spire]

the projectile changes are kinda massive, ram got one from 0.075 to 0.01 and it is a huge buff you can feel its so good

this one is 5x the size

most of the changes are 0.05 to 0.08

[gilded inlet]

it's why I've distanced myself from ow twitter/reddit entirely

[sullen burrow]

like don't get me wrong, this is not the changes i would have chosen, and i have concerns about how this will feel for support since that's my personal favorite role to play

but like, idk i have been playing this game long enough to know that sometimes playing the game feels different, esp with so many changes that can potentially switch up the meta in ways people don't initially realize

[balmy ivy]

Many people say the balancing is made around bad players 😭

[jaunty spire]

see i would be eager to try these changes but its just hard to do that because the dev team has never shown willingness to revert changes that dont work out

[fluid light]

Nerfing healing globally is purely a GM+ change it seems

[balmy ivy]

Idk

[blazing shard]

I think this is my biggest Pain point now that you mentioned it actually - the devs seemingly have been more open to flat out reverting changes in the last year or so, but it's still not super frequent

[jaunty spire]

and even when they revert something it takes sooo long

like the mei deep freeze thingy stayed for 3 or 4 seasons i think

[sullen burrow]

i do agree, but also i can see why it may take them a long time

like, some changes people hate at first but turn out to be pretty decent, like bro the people who thought the hog rework was ass but like, imo he's soooo much better now LOL

[jaunty spire]

this season is gonna be a huge make-or-break one in terms of player retention where the game's either gonna be better or people are just gonna demand a full revert back now that a lot more ppl r going onboard with the 6v6 bandwagon

[fluid light]

Tbf they had to rewrite Mei to revert her

Iirc they've said they don't save previous versions

[blazing shard]

Samito made a tweet earlier saying if the notes are real, it might be a good highlight that 6v6 is better

[fluid light]

I swear to fucking god

[fluid light]

I swear we need to shut up about 6v6

[jaunty spire]

im cautious about agreeing cuz i wanna try it out first

[fluid light]

People will demand a full revert anyway

[gilded inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/jasmine-masters-jasmine-masters-drag-race-again-gif-15736849

[gilded inlet]

yeah numbers don't mean all too much without trying it for yourself

[fluid light]

I'm down for it tho

People will say support feels miserable again but I think support players lowkey need to cope

[gilded inlet]

[jaunty spire]

support players have been the only ones having fun playing the game since s3 i think they can adjust 😭

[blazing shard]

i was gonna say LOOOOL

let them be trash so support queues are faster!!!

[jaunty spire]

me queueing support and picking illari because dps queues r back to 10 minutes and i wanna play budget sojourn

[gilded inlet]

well I did play lw on release, how could this be any worse right? right?

[fluid light]

Supports will experience what tanks had to feel for the past year

Have fun! Smile

[jaunty spire]

i get why wanted said torbs super good because he's just cassidy but better now 😭

[sullen burrow]

i'm not going to catastrophize about support just yet tbh

bc for all i know the new support meta will be like

[jaunty spire]

on-demand tank hp, turret to zone out flankers, projectile size buffs

[sullen burrow]

zen bap or something

[gilded inlet]

I basically have to dpsweaver because depending on the strength of the dps passive uh

[sullen burrow]

or idk but maybe it'll be fun as fuck

[blazing shard]

the state of torb is always so weird lol

[gilded inlet]

yeah it is not gonna feel good ngl

[jaunty spire]

yeah illari's gonna fall out for sure because zen discord is gonna b even more relevant with higher tank hp now

[fluid light]

Torb is just a fucking seesaw but the seesaw is carrying two nuclear bombs

[sullen burrow]

i feel like illari is just not good...

like there's heroes who deal better damage than her, and her healing is just inconsistent

[fluid light]

Illari feels like a filler hero

[sullen burrow]

she's just so nothing

like moira

[jaunty spire]

illari is actually really good but only if u play her on offangles in a selfish way

[gilded inlet]

how the mighty have fallen

[gilded inlet]

so... moira

[blazing shard]

The 15 second pylon feels a bit clunky but then when the cooldown is short, it feels too good

[fluid light]

Healing pylon is a neat idea but just struggles if people know where it is

[jaunty spire]

moira doesn't have the threat of twoshotting you

[fluid light]

Tho a hero doesn't need to be competitively viable to be a good hero is what I always say

[jaunty spire]

dueling her is ass too because u need to take away ur attention to destroy pylon all while she's shooting u

[sullen burrow]

the turret feels irritating but also like idk whenever i get an illari i feel like it's gg

[gilded inlet]

dueling both is super annoying tbh lol

[blazing shard]

i hate rando illaris so much

[sullen burrow]

like i am more apprehensive about an illari on my team than a lucio or lifeweaver...

[blazing shard]

if i get one while im on tank im kinda miserable

[sullen burrow]

RIGHT NIANDRA

[jaunty spire]

me omw playing illari whenever ur on support w me

[sullen burrow]

okay well i know you're a good dps so i don't worry ab you

but like the randos are NOT a random cracked dps main

they throw their turret on the floor and it immediately dies

[jaunty spire]

i lose a good chunk of my lifespan whenever i see my other support pick illari AFTER seeing mimi on mercy

hot take, mercy illari is worse than mercy zen..

its the worst support combo rn

[sullen burrow]

i agree tbh...

[gilded inlet]

nah....

[sullen burrow]

maybe with a roadhog it can work

if the enemy doesn't like, counter you too hard

[gilded inlet]

with my mains a lucio is just death

[sullen burrow]

and if the map allows it

[jaunty spire]

at least with zen u have the threat of discord plus him doing a buttload of damage but with illari, u can just run the illari over

[merry bone]

ok mercy illari is only worse than mercy zen bc zen has orb

[gilded inlet]

mercy zen is a very ride or die comp

(not saying as a bad thing btw)

[jaunty spire]

its hard to walk in with mercy zen but if u have a tank like doom or a dps like genji draw aggro on an offangle till u set up, its gg for the enemy team

[gilded inlet]

I love damage boosting zens too

[fresh gull]

mercy zen is so good offensively guys (replace mercy with like, any other support and you'll have more damage and also healing)

[fathom grotto]

zen zen is so good offensively guys

Aw you said any other support

rip mi joke

[blazing shard]

one of them discords, the other harmonies

[jaunty spire]

okay grandma lets get you back to bed

[fathom grotto]

you’re getting written out of the will

[fluid light]

Can I be in the will?

[blazing shard]

poor ball

[trail axle]

i hope this is fake lol

[fathom grotto]

yeah you get a cookie

[trail axle]

this is such a weird change imo- i was looking for a shakeup but this just feels like a weird way to do it but…idk i won’t judge till i play it lol

[jaunty spire]

me looking for the things i was supposed to get in ur will

[fathom grotto]

idk it cant be worse than when everyone found out we'd be losing 2 players in a game lobby

[blazing shard]

regretfully i have decided that these patch notes sound bad because /r/overwatch likes them

[sullen burrow]

fdhjfgdhjf

just be glad they're not rioting

maybe people will actually have a productive conversation for once

[blazing shard]

Obviously there is some negativity but I'm geniuely kinda surprised at how many people on both /r/overwatch and /r/cow are seemingly into these changes

[fresh gull]

i disagree with the changes but I'm starting to kinda get excited to try them out!

[fathom grotto]

theyd be more into it if they nerfed mercy specifically tbh

[blazing shard]

someone did say rez is gonna be more frustrating if ttk is slower

[sullen burrow]

you know what, people can deal with mercy being annoying for a little

[fresh gull]

the rest of mercy's kit feels like it'll be kinda underwhelming so

[fathom grotto]

rip breakpoints

[fluid light]

I suspect kiri will still be a good support as junker queen meta could be back

[fathom grotto]

175 tracer seems super scary

[sullen burrow]

its not that i think that makes mercy stronger, more like i'm so annoyed at the state of mercy that i don't particularly care if people think she's irritating to play against

[bitter summit]

tbh imo increasing health will just make fights longer and boring

[fluid light]

Remember: FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE HP QUEEN

[fathom grotto]

i wonder how this affects open queue pools

[fluid light]

Iirc its 375

For queen

[fathom grotto]

cause currently an unshouted queen gets domed by widow

[fluid light]

Queen is no longer unplayable in open queue

[blazing shard]

One of the differences between 5v5 and 6v6 is that fights were slower in 6v6 - geninue question but do people who prefer 6v6 want slower fights in 5v5, and if not why not

like do slower fights appeal to you, basically

[fluid light]

They just want 6v6, they don't want logic

Just 6v6

[bitter summit]

current time fight is ok to me, not too long not too short

[fluid light]

The game could be dogshit for all they care as long as it's 6v6

[fathom grotto]

slower fights are like, so god awful for flashpoint and koth

you lose a fight in koth and thats like 30-40%

[fluid light]

At least it's better than tf2

[sullen burrow]

i'm torn bc on one hand as a support i feel like the longer a fight is, the more agency i have over it

but also yeah for some game modes, a long fight just feels like... you're just wasting the game

[coral wagon]

well

season 9 will be interesting let's go!

[frail nymph]

Now I'm gonna let the development team cook but surely just lowering some healing & damage numbers was easier than this

[waxen abyss]

Why is sombra 250hp? That feels insane

[flat river]

guys i hate change

[coral wagon]

look away bbg

this is not for ur eyes

nothing is happening asteria don't worry!

[flat river]

i like sitting under a rock and drinking the same tea everyday and watching the same shows and playing the same games

WHAT IS THIS

😔

[sullen burrow]

go back to bed asteria it's just a dream

[flat river]

surely guys 😭

[coral wagon]

they just joking about hypotheticals love!!

no changes

[flat river]

ykw!! leaks arent always true !!

[coral wagon]

season 9 will be JUST like season 8!

[flat river]

YES MAAM

[sullen burrow]

yeah ahahhh this ones deff fake

[flat river]

maybe the meta will be like super fun

and im just a debby downer

negative nancy

salty susan

[waxen abyss]

What’s their goal here?

Is it targeting the “i hate dying in my competitive fps games!?” Crowd?

[flat river]

making me want to explode. they out for me. they my opps

bombing hq tonight

[waxen abyss]

Over the “bigger kill count better!” Crowd

[waxen abyss]

With glitter, right?

[flat river]

😀

yeah.

[waxen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/right-natalie-portman-star-wars-rd_btc-gif-24051918

[sullen burrow]

i will be real i alr don't like flashpoint and i worry this will make it worse

fuck me, positive thoughts only tonite

[waxen abyss]

Flashpoint i feel is fine, maps are ass

[sullen burrow]

for me its the opposite, i like all the diff points and the different strategies you take depending on which spawn you have, like i think they're all fun

but the ticks go by SO fast and plus at most elos, players struggle to get like, the pacing of it bc you CAN take clean fights but nobody does, and it's all just so irritating

like okay on a payload map like say r66, people know that, say, the train is closer to the attackers, and the gas station is closer to the defenders, and Most fights will involve the attackers pushing towards defense and vice versa

like there's only so many places fights can occur and only so many angles to take

you can just walk around people in flashpoint, and on half the points its not even a dramatic flank- fights often go in unexpected directions and it can be hard to draw the line between your own space and the enemy's- teams get split really easily, and all that makes for people who just flat out don't know what to do to take a point or defend it, and it's like, not even in a fun way bc half the time it's just bc one team staggered weird

i wanna say it'll be like push where it'll get better as we grow used to the map type, but ughhh

[waxen abyss]

Mayhaps

But yeah it really is kind of a “for fuck’s sake” moment when it pops

Good news is we’ll all have tank health by season 11 so flashpoint can last forevrr

[coral sleet]

i get not even crumbs as per usual

justice for my son

i choose to not look at anything else in this doc bc i think i would probably spiral out of control so that is the one thing i came here to say

and also WHAT is going on

[waxen abyss]

I still cannot fathom how sombra has 75hp more than tracer

[fathom grotto]

tracer having 175 hp sounds so scary

[short belfry]

LUCIO BOOP BUFFS BIG IF TRUE

[bitter summit]

are they changing ultimate charge rate as well ?

more health means more damage and more healing therefore more ults no?

[mint fox]

which sucks

every fight is going to be a ult fight

sounds reaaal fun!

also removed 2 taps

300 hp reaper is so fucking goofy

hanzo is about to become the worst hero in the game

[bitter summit]

good

[mint fox]

which means widowmaker will become meta cuz one shot

her 100% will do 300 dmg

and will be the only hero that can do that

[fluid light]

All ult charge is increasing by 10%

[bitter summit]

at least it will require aim

[bitter summit]

wait they're increasing it as well?

[fluid light]

Ye

[mint fox]

yea but what do you do if theres a widow sitting accross narnia

[fluid light]

All ults

[bitter summit]

the nano blades are gonna go crazyyy

[fluid light]

This is the third time in the game's history we've gotten a global ult charge increase

[coral wagon]

well if widow is super far she has fall off

[mint fox]

well like

[coral wagon]

this is also a slight nerf to widow in a different way, she has to 100% charge her shots

[mint fox]

rialto first point

[bitter summit]

cant they.. do an experiment mode with these changes please😭😭 all these changes are so scary

[coral wagon]

in terms of what you do against widow? the same thing that you do now

pray you have the better one or focus her all game

[mint fox]

great way to play the game

[coral wagon]

arguably easier to focus her now that she has to fully charge her thing

that's how it already is

[fluid light]

Also Winston will do 75 damage per second now

[coral wagon]

a good widowmaker is already like "man, i hope ours is better!"

[mint fox]

ig its as nerf but most of the time your waiting for someone to peak

[coral wagon]

sure, but overall she's pretty similar to current kit + having to charge to full shots

she also doesn't really benefit that much from ult buff... sights is nice ofc but it's not as team fight winning as other ult

[mint fox]

zoning ult ig

[coral wagon]

especially if tanks have higher hp, a winston with 75 dps is just gonna be on her asscheeks

[mint fox]

what if she has a brig pocket

[coral wagon]

for the shields or... heal? kind of depends if anyone else is diving to see if the widow dies, but winston dgaf about shields and would still be taking the widows attention away from his team

[mint fox]

heal

[coral wagon]

what do you do right now when u dive something with brig heal

[mint fox]

well the burst healing inspire and the boop

[coral wagon]

it's not insanely stronger just bc they have higher health pools

[mint fox]

i probably would focus the other dps

[coral wagon]

or the winston goes for the brig first, kind of depends on the situation but i don't think widow will be must pick

[mint fox]

cuz nothin gonna die

unless brig is bad

[coral wagon]

maybe a bit better than current widow but those calculations better start popping up for break points + dmg boost

[mint fox]

i forgor about dmg boost

if you get dmg boosted you do 375

[coral wagon]

i mean for other heroes 😭

[mint fox]

oh

[coral wagon]

because u say widows gonna be good bc she can still 1 shot, so u night wanna also check what else could 1 shot with dmg boost

[mint fox]

ig hanzo

[bitter summit]

so basically damage boosting heroes will get better and healbots will get worse ?

its almost 4am im not weird just tired

[coral wagon]

i don't think healbots will be worse bc arguably people will need more healing

dmg boost depending on if break points are hit, it's always good but

dmg boost is only so useful if it brings u a real edge over like... anti or suzu

[bitter summit]

although imagine team fights with life of tree now 💀 literal tanks everywhere

[coral wagon]

surely they nerfed that fucking tree

hanzo with db can still one shot i think

[mint fox]

yes

he does 240

[coral wagon]

120 x 2, 240, + 60

slay

[bitter summit]

do we even know if its legit

[coral wagon]

no not rly lol

[mint fox]

wanted said the same thing too

somewhat

he said theres no good cass buff and torb will be meta

way before the leak

[coral wagon]

wdym that deadeye cass buff is... exactly... what he needed...

[bitter summit]

they're not increasing deployable's health are they

[coral wagon]

[mint fox]

thats what I thought

maybe he meant his range

[waxen abyss]

Also why the hell are people upset about burst damage in an FPS?

[coral wagon]

always have been LOL

the funny thing is that honestly, one shots are a required evil in a world where healing is so obnoxious

[waxen abyss]

“Only kill! No die!”

[coral wagon]

😭 like yeah, IG this will make dps more relevant but

[waxen abyss]

Not even evil

It if requires clicking a head, that’s earned

[coral wagon]

i think some 1 shots are valid and some are a bit??

like i think sojourn would have a more loved position in the gallery if she didn't headshot on rmb 😭

[bitter summit]

i'd b happy with hanzo if it needed aim and not just being lucky

[coral wagon]

idk hanzo personally

[waxen abyss]

With soj though, at least you have to physically move your mouse to them and click

It’s a skill shot for sure

[coral wagon]

yeah but that's not... that hard

[waxen abyss]

It’s not that hard no

[coral wagon]

but i also don't agree with people who want widows 1shot removed

bc that is her hero iden-titty

but games where it's just widow 1v1 are zzz for the other 8 people in the game, so honestly nerfing her hp imo is the best way to do anything about it

[bitter summit]

ha titty

[waxen abyss]

People just don’t wanna die in their games it seems

[coral wagon]

the issue with one shots is for a lot of people it makes them feel helpless

[waxen abyss]

In CS, rifled and and some pistols can oneshot and the respawn is “till the end of the round”

[coral wagon]

but also like... necessary evil

well tbf cs is a different game at the core

[waxen abyss]

You avoid it by not positioning or moving like a potato dropped in porridge

[coral wagon]

that's just a shooter period, not a hero shooter

[waxen abyss]

I know but by the same token, overwatch has much crazier movement and pace

Making those widow headshots harder

And at least in my eyes, earned

[coral wagon]

they're earned but i think it's important to keep overall hero balance with each other in mind

[waxen abyss]

Mayhaps. I genuinely don’t know enough about the history and depth of ow yet to have a hard stance on any of this

[coral wagon]

especially when thinking about high rank play, im scared by constant games of gm widow matchups and no one other than the widows playing the game 😭

[fluid light]

Why would they?

[bitter summit]

cuz they're increasing overall damage as well so

[waxen abyss]

I’m just a grumpy former rush b blyat enjoyer who by and large with the exception of that thing i sent you today, still am a head clicker at heart

[coral wagon]

because they're increasing the health of everything else, woob

[bitter summit]

like torb turret wont last that long in a fight

[waxen abyss]

That’s true. Down in my level, the two widows are the only two not being allowed to play the game

[coral wagon]

it'll redo ur brain worms

[fluid light]

They are not, they are just increasing hp

[bitter summit]

but a lot of damage buff from what i seen

let me read it again aaa

[fluid light]

Some damage numbers are increased like charge and hammer but not all damage numbers are being buffed

[waxen abyss]

Is any of this actually likely or is this just a disgruntled employee trying to cause damage?

[coral wagon]

i wouldn't say it's out of the question

[waxen abyss]

Cause it feels like since i started, every new change feels worse and like a terrible decision

[coral wagon]

blizzard has had a past of... hearing the community's concerns and instead of doing the obvious answer they do the weirdest one possible

[fluid light]

I like the season 9 changes

[coral wagon]

woob u always like blizzards change s😭

[bitter summit]

idk like please dont kill me but i kinda like the state of the game . . .

[waxen abyss]

Same

[coral wagon]

oh i think it's kind of miserable rn but like

[fluid light]

I don't blindly bash the changes. The orisa falloff buff was fucking stupid

[coral wagon]

take away support passive and i'm happy

[bitter summit]

some buffs and nerfs needs to be reverted but its like not that bad to have such a drastic change

[coral wagon]

i don't think everyone else is either 😭

[waxen abyss]

I just want sombra invis passive gone and made into a key-bound ability

[fluid light]

I was cautiously optimistic over the Cass and Mei cc changes but they turned out to be garbage

[coral wagon]

ur going to love the history of sombra guava

[waxen abyss]

I know it which is why i lament joining the game the season she changed

Old hack and optional invis are way better

Love translocate as it is and is 80% of why i play her though

[bitter summit]

back when u couldnt hack in inv

the good old days

[waxen abyss]

Still can’t really

[coral wagon]

the hack was better for sombra but i do not miss my sombra being out of the game for 20 seconds waiting to reset

[fluid light]

Translocator on the health pack I don't care if people like it, it was awful for the game

[coral wagon]

me, fighting, wondering where my sombra is, my sombra, in the back line, hacking a health pack

[waxen abyss]

Yeah that’s stupid

I love it as a movement tool though

You can do really cool stuff with the new one

[fluid light]

New sombra is just a mosquito

[waxen abyss]

I’d be super happy if invis was a short time limited ability

For sneaking past someone, say

[coral wagon]

guava you would love the history of sombra

[fluid light]

I like current sombra

[waxen abyss]

i want it back

[waxen abyss]

I like current sombrero too when i play against opponents who know how to deal with her

[fluid light]

Tho when I add sombra to my 1v1 mode I'm gonna figure out a way to make a loop in sombra's code where invis isn't infinite

[waxen abyss]

Then it’s a mad fun cat and mouse game

[fluid light]

But sombra is a ways away

[waxen abyss]

But the invis character does not need 250hp

[fluid light]

After my 1v1 event(check #event-announcements shameless plug) I'm gonna add Genji and Zenyatta to the mode to see if mobility creep is the way to go

Also with that update I'm gonna see how the season 9 changes affect my mode, see what tweaks need to be made, and make those tweaks before adding Genji and Zenyatta

[waxen abyss]

Easily googlable but i guess folks here know out of pocket

When is s9?

[waxen abyss]

where was that?

thanks

[fluid light]

Also I'm making the hard cap for damage on all heroes 120 in my 1v1 mode

I just feel like that is a fair number

[coral wagon]

why

its a 1v1 mode, if someone gets one shots its a skill issue

[fluid light]

That's very fair and true

Nevermind then

Tho I will tune up Soj damage by 1% so she can do 197 damage on headshot

[coral wagon]

... why? 😭

[waxen abyss]

Where would that be relevant since if she’s gotten the railgun charge in a 1v1

https://tenor.com/view/stop-already-dead-kristen-msm-jokes-over-burger-gif-15769364

[fluid light]

Lowkey it'd be a funny patch note

Not for any balance reason

Just you have to deal with 2 more damage than normal

Tbh a lot of hero changes I make are just cool ways I wanna make a hero relevant than balance it after

[waxen abyss]

Everyone is relevant give or take. Removing self-healing, a mercy could take down a hog if the movement was on point

[fluid light]

True

But I have a balance philosophy that if a hero has a lot of movement, reduce their healing and vice versa

Mercy has a lot of movement which is why her healing ability completely halts her

[waxen abyss]

That’s a choice for sure

[coral wagon]

but whats the reasoning behind this philosophy...

[waxen abyss]

How does mercy’s healing ability help in a 1v1?

Besides passive

[coral wagon]

lets move this to another channel

[dense beacon]

Let's continue the conversation in #ow-stadium ([link](#ow-stadium message))

Niandra! · Jan 29, 2024, 3:39 AM

[waxen abyss]

[jaunty spire]

this is way too far back but i still wanted to reply to this

the main reason why people want 6v6 back is because the game was simply built around that format. offtanks suffer in ow2 because their kits were meant to pressure from offangles instead of being a frontline brawler, the power level between roles is massively messed up because they just took out one slot with not really a lot of compensation as to how it would change the way the game is played

it just took so much agency away from players, especially dps players. there's no hyper clutch moments anymore because building ult charge got a net nerf, there r way too many immos and tanks are just not 1v1'able anymore

i would like fights to be slower if it meant that people would actually get punished for their mistakes, especially support players

[fathom grotto]

just say you hate me

[fluid light]

I like 5v5 because the game is easier to read

[jaunty spire]

not directed at you specifically but dumbing down ow to a fps game with abilities instead of letting it be a moba fps hybrid is kinda what the ruined the game

the original format was the first fps game in almost 2 decades that won goty

back to the topic of leaks tho

the mod of /cow posted transcribed notes on the post and added this at the end

not sure of the validity but GA and sympathetic recovery buffs

[fluid light]

GA buffs pog

[waxen abyss]

Not been in OW that long but dumbing down any long-running, high-skill ceiling game to cater to the game-du-jour crowd is almost always a bad idea

Not cause elitism (not been here close to long enough to be even slightly good enough for that ) but because it gives players who invest in the game less to accomplish and develop

i said it above but with the larger projectile sizes so everyone can hit headshots but also the extra health so no-one dies, i really hope these leaks either aren’t true or are an intentional leak to gauge reaction

But of course they’re leaks so let’s see what happens

[jaunty spire]

yeah that's pretty much what happened with every hero that got added after ow1's release except for a few balanced ones like ashe and jq

[waxen abyss]

I feel like if i’m gonna invest years in a game/hobby i don’t want everything handed to me day 1

I want slow progression where i can learn skills or movement abilities that here and there give me an edge over opponents so i can grow into the game

And everyone plays in their own way

[jaunty spire]

there's always been the argument of skill floors, skill ceiling and how much skill expression you can have but the opinions are greatly divided depending on if the player is competitive, casual or a mix of both

[waxen abyss]

I feel like a low skill floor isn’t inherently bad so people can have a base competency early and have fun right away

But a high skill ceiling is vital for longetivity

[jaunty spire]

personally my opinion is just that someone playing a hero on its skill floor shouldnt be able to do better than a person playing their hero at their ceiling

[waxen abyss]

100%

[jaunty spire]

which unfortunately happens a lot in this game

[waxen abyss]

But someone brand new should definitely be able to hold their own against other people who are brand new

I don’t wanna be doing the exact same things on day 1 with a character that i’m doing on day 1000 with them

I think you’re spot on

I think junkrat is a good example of this

Where when i started the game i hated JR cause it felt like mindless, aimless spamming and i was always caught in it

And it kinda was

Cause they were new and i was new

My positioning sucked and their knowledge of the character was just “mouse1 go brrrr”

Nowadays i play against calculated 900iq junkrats who similarly dumpster me but it’s on an entirely different level

And current me would have no issue with the jrs from the early days

Everyone gets room to grow

[blazing shard]

I don't disagree with stuff said but I feel like aiming in OW is a lot harder than other games due to the amount of different hitboxes and high amount of movement

and also sure "bad" players might benefit from this, but won't good ones as well

[fresh gull]

yeah everybody misses shots, and projectile sizes exist in the game for a reason

[waxen abyss]

As a lifetime hitscan player, projectiles alone break me and it’s been so fun learning how to be calculated with them

[fresh gull]

it's just like, a way to increase damage output without introducing higher burst damage breakpoints I think

[waxen abyss]

It is slightly ironic that everyone complained about too much healing in the game so apparently the plan was “more heath, more healing and more damage to heal!”

[fresh gull]

percentage-wise healing is weaker

[waxen abyss]

(I was not one of those complainers)

And percentage wise tracer received a huge nerf

[bitter summit]

do we know the % of caut that will be applied ????

[blazing shard]

i think this reddit thread is a good read

[waxen abyss]

Do you have a link to hand, please?

Curious what people think

[blazing shard]

sure! https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/1adnfq5/this_is_the_patch_people_wanted_just_not_in_the/

[waxen abyss]

Thanks

As someone embarking on a tracer main arc though, it is super sad they nerfed her hard

Guess i need to bring my junkrat main arc forward now

[fresh gull]

if she turns out to be underperforming after this patch I'm sure she'll get buffs

like this one patch doesn't determine the meta for the rest of overwatch

[waxen abyss]

I’m mostly joking anyway. I don’t care if she’s nerfed

I play her cause she’s insanely fun

Not cause she is or isn’t op

i’ve been around games with sweeping changes for decades. Everyone always complains then within a week it dies down and folk adapt

Or things clearly broken get fixed

As that linked reddit post says, folk just like theory crafting or memeing

[fresh gull]

yeah I agree with that

[waxen abyss]

I’m british. Complaining about trivial matters keeps me warm

[modest kite]

literally came here to post this thread bcoz i was surprised it and the comments are rational and not inherently negative

[coral wagon]

i think overall the changes might address the popular worry that dps don't have a lot of agency in games, but it's not really assessing the heal creep in the game

[jaunty spire]

20% for 2 seconds

[bitter summit]

damn 20%..

[jaunty spire]

the passive is unfortunately gonna hurt tanks the most again

[bitter summit]

zen's healing gonna be small af with that

[fresh gull]

anti was too oppressive against tanks, so now they permanently have a weaker version of it

[jaunty spire]

its gonna be like 25hps instead of 30

[bitter summit]

this is like the worst thing of the patch

[jaunty spire]

the patch is an indirect buff to discord tho since it'll be even more valuable with higher health pools now

[bitter summit]

changes so big they need to change it to overwatch 3

[thorn wolf]

what change are yall most hapy about

[waxen abyss]

Quicker play not being on the list

[coral wagon]

so real

[gilded inlet]

This... is actually true

[bitter summit]

i cant tell if that will make lw better or worse

[waxen abyss]

As gandalf said; a lifeweaver is never better, nor is he worse. He is balanced precisely as he means to be.

[bitter summit]

but the incoming changes will change a lot of characters

[gilded inlet]

my first impressions is that with the damage passive, healing isn't as effective

so maybe a more damage oriented playstyle would be needed

especially with the global projectile size buffs

[waxen abyss]

I’d have personally gathered a damage increase rewarding good aim

Rather than just making healing less effective by turning everyone into moira

Like, same projectile size but does more damage

[gilded inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-moira-overwatch-gif-22637690

that could work, but it might lead back to the issues of burst damage

although can't really say without testing

[thorn wolf]

will anyone make a ws for the new s9 changes or not

[waxen abyss]

I legitimately cannot understand why people in an fps game are upset about burst damage

As long as the burst damage is a skillshot then it’s valid

[thorn wolf]

theres a bt too much in ow

[waxen abyss]

I feel like people in OW are kinda like the dog who wants to play fetch but won’t drop the ball

No die! Only kill!

[thorn wolf]

ok does anyone want a s9 balance patch before s9 exists

[waxen abyss]

If this stuff has to happen then fuck it. Just go in hard and make it abrupt

S9 starts, everything changes, it’s atrocious for a week and we all adapt and find new metas and it’s fine

Drip feeding this out feels like it’d be way worse

[bitter summit]

its scary

:((

[waxen abyss]

It’ll be fine

Stupid on paper

And how anyone who didn’t get held back a year in kindergarten could think this is smart is beyond me

But i don’t doubt the community and playerbase will find a way to make it work and remain fun

Just like quicker play was possible to have fun in if you changed what you were used to

Terrible idea but can work in spite of it

(Personal opinion not stated as fact)

[opaque raptor]

tbh i kinda agree

like yeah at face value the changes seem really weird but i think in practice it has the potential to address a lot of the current pain points with the game

[waxen abyss]

Loving that mei’s a legit tank now

[merry bone]

i just realized

kiriko no longer two taps

my op character is no longer as op

[waxen abyss]

Illari is nerfed to oblivion too

Which rules me out of the fun of 2/3 supports i play

Hanzo mains in shambles too

[bitter summit]

maybe instead of an entire caut for the dps, i would've prefered if they changed anti nade to caut nade

at least to test it first

like a 60% caut

[jaunty spire]

let us dps players have something

[short belfry]

caut for dps would be a banger idea

but i think perma caut on primary fire could be a little broken so i think make it so it only procs every like 15 seconds or something

[jaunty spire]

its 20% caut for 2 seconds

i think it'll be fine

especially with higher healthpools

again, it benefits a few dps too much and some too little so im conflicted

[short belfry]

oh i didnt read the patch notes or anything

im just saying shit

[short belfry]

bastion with caut ending it all

[gilded inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/operation-teapot-nuke-nuclear-explosion-nuclear-test-nuclear-footage-gif-15618232923822161090

the tank's hp:

[jaunty spire]

yeah i feel bad about tanks again cuz they didnt really get any substantial buffs of any sort

just balancing dmg for higher health pools

[short belfry]

as they should!!

[jaunty spire]

so this passive hurts them the most

[short belfry]

my take is ow is fun when tanks are mid

[bitter summit]

tanks dont like supports until supports cant keep them alive anymore

[gilded inlet]

looking back at the new passive for all heroes, it's funny cause when I first placed overwatch I played mercy, and was confused at why I wasn't auto regening when playing moira

[bitter summit]

based

[short belfry]

i am

[bitter summit]

when its a gold ball playing u know its gonna be a fun match

[waxen abyss]

What’s caut?

[bitter summit]

cauterize

inflicts cauterize upon shooting which reduce healing received

[waxen abyss]

thanks

[bitter summit]

[waxen abyss]

[fresh gull]

poor you :((

2 seconds is very long, idk what to tell u if u can't keep that up

[bitter summit]

dosnt that give a 100% uptime on all dps anyways

[fresh gull]

well not on like, widow or hanzo maybe, but they wouldn't need it in most scenarios

[bitter summit]

watch widows's spider thingy finally be useful on point

[jaunty spire]

i dont mind it, i added the peeAlone because klaus said it should be once per 15 seconds which is weird cuz any poke would mean u wouldnt be able to proc it for half the teamfight

[fresh gull]

oh my bad

[fresh gull]

😭 sorry

[jaunty spire]

you are partially forgiven, complete forgiveness requires 70$ paypal or cashapp in 24 hours

[fresh gull]

ou thats okay I'll survive without the remainder of the forgiveness

[jaunty spire]

the partial forgiveness expires after 24 hours

[fresh gull]

[short belfry]

i said that bc

caut exists in paladins

and its extremely busted

[balmy ivy]

Wait I just saw the mercy buffs in the leak (?)

And if its real I'm rly happy

Part of me thinks it's fake

[merry bone]

i dont thinka anything in the leak is a mercy buff 😭

[balmy ivy]

A person who shared the leaks on Reddit also got dm's of Mercy buffs (I don't think they're real)

The GA buff would be a dream but... yeah

[merry bone]

can you send the link to the original post?

[jaunty spire]

its the mod message underneath the link i shared

the link is pinned

[balmy ivy]

Sure! Nae shared the link to the reddit post on Twitter, all the way below the OP says he got these in the dms

[merry bone]

oh ok

[balmy ivy]

https://x.com/OverwatchNaeri/status/1751985575111119003?t=RZ-cpoIDXHdJalLa2J7auA&s=33

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Overwatch 2 Season 9 New Hero Balance Update Leaked?

It seems that Daum #Overwatch2 Season 9 was leaked through a professional gamer. This is still in the rumor stage and is not accurate ⚠️

📰Season 9 Hero Balance Patch Notes
https://t.co/8ebsxzc1qr

Twitter · Jan 29, 2024, 3:08 PM

Open the link in the tweet and scroll down

[bitter summit]

NO CUZ overwatch is slowly turning into paladins

[balmy ivy]

Ive only played paladins once and it feels like a huge knockoff

In 2018 or 19 or so btw

But is it any good still?

[bitter summit]

it always felt super different to me

the bugs is what made me leave

and the balance

[balmy ivy]

I see

Seris was cool

And the turquoise masked girl

[waxen abyss]

If i understand correctly, illari and moira now ahve the same dps (give or take)

[fresh gull]

that does not sound right

[flat river]

i still don’t rlly know how i feel abt these changes
i think the dps making u take less healing would be cool bc it’ll eliminate the ppl complaining that “oh that bitch is pocketed and unkillable” or the complaints about mercy pocket being unfair

but also increasing the hit boxes for bullets n stuff is so weird bc like no offense but it’s already so huge and i don’t wanna see a t500 player blow my brains out any easier than they already do

[fluid light]

It will objectively make thinks die faster

[flat river]

there have deffo been moments where my whole team looks at a rammatra or hog and he doesn’t die bc both supports are shoving their heals down his throat so like ykw this is cool

but increasing bullet hitboxes to make u get hit easier

[coral wagon]

how do you figure this

[flat river]

this is gonna probably make poke rlly fucking unfun

or spam damage too

[fresh gull]

woob did u calculate the difference in damage, healing, and heal reduction or what

[fluid light]

Maybe i shouldn't have said objectively

[flat river]

wait does anyone know how many days till s9?

[flat river]

thank you sera :D

at least i get to celebrate my bday w the ow i love before (i assume) hell breaks loose

[fluid light]

Ah you know I just don't know when season 9 is

[fluid light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s01BtCrhfJE&ab_channel=mabu

i found this video

it's a good one

[waxen abyss]

Illari is 4 bodyshots now at full charge so 4 seconds. Sure she can crit and stuff

But on average she’s now in line with buffed moira (since moira can’t crit, just comparing apples with apples)

Unless i’m massively misreading

She’s 75, moira is i believe 65 now

[fluid light]

it's actually 3

on a Soldier in season 8

on reaper that turns to 4

[waxen abyss]

Now being season 9 which was the context of the discussion

Where it’s 4

3 is only 225 damage and most squishies are 250

[fluid light]

on reaper itll be unchanged actually

in s9

tested it on a jq

[blazing shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFniq3mKr4

[waxen abyss]

Get this rational and pretty balanced talk out of my tantrumsphere

[jaunty spire]

i just watched this, its kinda surprising he's not overreacting at all 😭

but i do agree with the fact that immos and supp cooldowns were what a lot of people complained about and they remained practically untouched

[bitter summit]

they leaking balance but not skins 😔 smh

we got the hanzo mythic leak 17days before the release of season 7 lol

[merry bone]

ill do u one worse, new event today but we got 0 trailers

[gilded inlet]

lifeweaver mythic where

[gilded inlet]

I legit forgot about the lunar new year event until niandra mentioned it yesterday

[bitter summit]

nah its moira trust

nails customization🥰🥰

[gilded inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/fin-typing-with-long-nails-how-do-you-type-gif-10840142

[waxen abyss]

Also new event?

[thorn wolf]

no new news for lny

[waxen abyss]

Ah

I’d be over the moon if they released it tonight

[blazing shard]

Oh there was the teaser in the s8 trailer

We're getting a new prop hunt map I think

[waxen abyss]

Actually sounds fun

Is there any chance these leaked patch notes are just for a new “quickplay: hacked?”

[thorn wolf]

istg

[waxen abyss]

It’d be great if it was

Weekend only event lessgo

[thorn wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/insane-gif-21447092

all the hype for nothing

[waxen abyss]

Hype feels like the wrong word here based on sentiment

[thorn wolf]

like

[waxen abyss]

not sure i’ve seen anyone go “this is great!”

[thorn wolf]

the peoples emotion

[coral wagon]

well lny doesnt start until feb 10 this year so

it would be kind of early to start today

[trail axle]

man, this seasons content drought has sucked ass

[slim breach]

ooh i just seen these leaked patchnotes and idk about it tbf 😭

Idk about giving everybody +50 hp but i love that pharah can go zoomies

but 300 hp is so much

im pretty sure thats jqs hp in open queue rn for instance

[fluid light]

It's to prevent dying instantly or not dying at all

[fluid light]

Tbf jq is ass cheeks in open queue

[waxen abyss]

Lucio one seems on point

[wise sundial]

buffing dps moira and making mercy harder to kill?

sign me up

[waxen abyss]

At this point just move moira over to dps

[wise sundial]

I do when my team isnt really doing much

her or LW

[waxen abyss]

Dpsweaver is so fun

Underrated source of pure joy

[bitter summit]

somebody needs to do a custom workshop with the new buffs and nerfs

see how that plays out

[waxen abyss]

How hard would that be?

[bitter summit]

not that hard except for maybe pharah's new ability

[waxen abyss]

I still struggle to just make an empty map with no timer just to explore with abilities

But would be curious to poke around sometime and see

[bitter summit]

i have a past with the workshop so i know my way around it lol

[waxen abyss]

In CS i used to know hella console commands to make most types of custom modes

Yet haven’t managed to learn the ow one yet

[bitter summit]

well they changed so much things in ow2 that now im lost lol

[waxen abyss]

https://workshop.codes/AP7A7

[bitter summit]

wait coal wasnt changed in S9 right

its about to become even worse lmfao sobbing

[waxen abyss]

I thought it was

Or am i misremembering?

[bitter summit]

only her right click iirc

[waxen abyss]

Ah

The one part that absolutely needed a nerf and they buffed it

[bitter summit]

her right click dosnt need a nerf lol its damage its so slow, i wanted a coal buff:((

[waxen abyss]

I really hope this is the season they let people unlock past bp mythics otherwise this pass is a skip

[waxen abyss]

Yeah but the fact it locks on and follows you regardless of movement is kind of hilariously sketchy

And now it requires less precise aim on top of that which is a bit of a ballache for people who play characters with no real movement abilities

[bitter summit]

cant people kill her in low elo 😭😭

i mean the only way i can get some damage in diamond is damage orbs and ulting from my backline

if I dare go into the front line to refuel i get one shotted

[waxen abyss]

You’d be amazed how often moira is top damage/elims while doing literally nothing besides glancing in the general direction of people

[bitter summit]

i do too but its because im the goat

[waxen abyss]

In many games where most players don’t know how to react/defend themselves, moira is sort of the kind of character where

Like…

It’s a cheese and people are punished for playing characters that require mechanical ability

I drilled early on how to handle her for that reason

[bitter summit]

so low elo is the reason the community just dislikes moira

[waxen abyss]

But sadly moiras stomp most low elo games and every potg is just a crosshair going

[bitter summit]

hot woman deserves better:((

[waxen abyss]

You’ll see moiras go 25/4 in lobbies where the average is 10/8 and write “ez” when they did literally fucking nothing

But i do also respect why games balance top down

[bitter summit]

sad af they should watch my pro top 1 eu gameplay

[waxen abyss]

And moira is pretty easy to dumpster with any level of awareness

(At low elo)

But she does offer massively disproportionate value in low elo to how much the game babies the player with balls that float around silently nowhere near her or a beam that locks on and if you don’t have a TP/Immo many players have no idea how to escape

Since only one person in that duel as to aim, and many people in low elo struggle with that at the best of times

That’s probably why she’s hated

[sullen burrow]

i did end up playing the other day a comp game where this moira living in our backline was destroying us until we began to like, play together so she couldn't kill us, and just killed her full team while she was afk in the backline

[waxen abyss]

Yeah. Any kind of buddy system and she’s useless

[bitter summit]

the devil works in mysterious ways

[waxen abyss]

But low elo, everyone’s just deathmatching

No-one has any awareness

[sullen burrow]

and i mentioned how she was hard throwing and raidi said "the sad thing is he probably destroys lobbies doing this all the time"

and he's kind of right like if we weren't in a stack i doubt my average teammates would know how to react

[waxen abyss]

Moira would be fine if she required any aim at all to do damage

[sullen burrow]

i think the bigger issue is how survivable she is

[waxen abyss]

Even if it is slow, if you’re trapped many people have no escape

[sullen burrow]

like, her damage isn't that bad, but it sucks when she can just escape for free

[waxen abyss]

I’m a grumpy old CS player. I only care about the aim

[waxen abyss]

Also as a sombra/tracer player i can’t say shit here on this

[sullen burrow]

welcome to overwatch, half the abilities don't take aim

see, sombra isn't that bad since her changes bc she has to actually stop attacking to go invis

and same with tracer, you can see where she comes from often

[bitter summit]

my wr would drop to 50%

[sullen burrow]

versus moira like, her whole kit is designed around her not dying

[waxen abyss]

Yeah it’s complicated for me cause i weirdly accept all that and it’s all good. I think it’s more “principle” for me with moira/torb/sym where the better mechanical player is not who has an advantage many times

[sullen burrow]

her lifesteal + she has orbs that heal + fade

gotta learn which 1v1s to take or not is all

[waxen abyss]

nonsense. You’re great and would survive well on anyone

[sullen burrow]

some characters are just silly good at 1v1s inherently, but moira's weak against certain heroes if you're willing to learn them

[waxen abyss]

That’s absolute truth and something i am continually reevaluating

[sullen burrow]

it's harder than it seems...

[bitter summit]

GIRL i was a mercy/lw main, i dont know whats aiming😭😭

[sullen burrow]

bc when someone confronts you off to the side ur instinct is to take the 1v1

esp if they're smaller like moira

[bitter summit]

i think cass do counter her good

one of the only hero i struggle against, i wouldn't 1v1 a cass

[waxen abyss]

She is only an issue for me on sombra cause of the nature of how sombra is played and how isolated you usually are

But i don’t complain too much cause she’s necessary as a counter

Pretty easy to handle on almost everyone else i play

Unless you’re 10hp, away from everyone and a random ball some moira threw last week in a different match comes floating by silently behind you

[waxen abyss]

bet you’re still better than most

[bitter summit]

that is so satisfying

[sullen burrow]

cass rules against those heroes who are able to escape easilt

[bitter summit]

i be giggling when that happens

[sullen burrow]

due to his "you're not going FUCKING anywhere" silly nade

[waxen abyss]

Yep. What’s funny cause i’m still pretty new my mmr is continually going up (> 50% global win rate) and so who I can 1v1 on average changes weekly

[bitter summit]

i do like how they removed stun to add this instead with a big damage

[sullen burrow]

when they have a hero who counters your typical playstyle, consider using a different playstyle to counter Them

[waxen abyss]

Junkrats used to be free a few months ago. Now they’re calculated geniuses

[sullen burrow]

like, obviously as sombra you want to dive supports mostly, but if they have a moira, it may be better to play sombra 76 a bit

[waxen abyss]

[cries in tracer]

[bitter summit]

i was joking i do NOT like it😭

[waxen abyss]

[waxen abyss]

ironically i love sombra 76

Cause i dislike invis

[sullen burrow]

the way i see it, when ur invis ur getting 0 value

[waxen abyss]

Yes and no

[bitter summit]

i wonder if i'll still be able to save mates from a grav with coal with the new patch

[sullen burrow]

like occasionally the mind games are effective but like, that's a situational thing that shouldn't be done Every fight

[waxen abyss]

You can accomplish surprising things with just a detection ring

It’s not great value but it’s some

Especially if the support starts going bloodthirst mode

[sullen burrow]

the issue that i have with invis is Mostly that it allows players with poor gamesense to feed without like, paying attention to their team at all

[waxen abyss]

Absolutey this

[sullen burrow]

like if you don't have invis and you want to engage the enemy, you're kind of forced to run at them which is hard if you don't have alliexd