tbh some comics do have saturated colors no? although that's a different style, it might work to an extent
#fallen-aces
ebon imp
I've been out of the loop regarding this game
red condor
If I can't have Fallen Aces look like the Phantom of the Opera why bother.
ebon imp
When can we expect to see a demo or ea?
next oyster
When can we expect to see a demo or ea?
@ebon imp next year
red condor
Also Chromatic Aberration when
ebon imp
neat, looking forward to it
latent rock
upper wharf
Ray Tracing and RTX is a must for the demo. Gotta have GodRays as well.
mighty folio
gotta have bloom
ebon imp
drunk filter where you see double
red sedge
I would like to have a 50's film filter on this game
flint sequoia
Ooh yea with grainy footage and all
latent rock
Even with those classic tropes of characters having their own text screen
grand flicker
next oyster
Def looked at some comics for inspiration. We got Watchmen, Lobster Johnson, Sandman Mystery Theatre, Torpedo, The Shadow, Batman
Even with those classic tropes of characters having their own text screen
@latent rock we have old noir title cards
spark rain
Hey, regarding the black and white mode. Are we talking just a basic grayscale filter?
next oyster
We may try a sin city filter but we couldn’t get it to work on GM. Maybe it will be easier in unity
spark rain
I get ya, black and white is tricky as hell to pull off.
Making it feel natural and not like a handicap is a lot of work, probably too much to bother with in the end.
next oyster
There is going to be a b&w filter regardless
spark rain
👌
arctic wharf
@next oyster what is mikes last name?
upbeat kestrel
Schmidt 
spark rain
michaelson
next oyster
Thane
arctic wharf
oh thanks man
next oyster
Funny story bout that. His name was originally Michael Hawk before I realized the grave mistake I made lol
valid shale
for real?
next oyster
For reelz
severe blade
Better than bofa
next oyster
Mike Bofa?
spark rain
bofa ligma
next oyster
At least he has a name unlike virgin Gloomwood doc.
spark rain
next oyster
Bet his name is something dumb like Bartholomew
karmic sequoia
Lmao
tough drum
On a noir-related note, don't forget that Chicken Police is out next week.
tough drum
Mind your clucking language!
paper meteor
When firing at people running you afowl, feather the trigger so you don't miss
spark rain
chikn
tough drum
Also, the two protagonists' boss is a bit of a racist bastard apparently.
Oh and on the same day, we're gonna get Möbius Front '83 from Zachtronics.
next oyster
Chicken racist?
tough drum
A little bit towards them and possibly others too, according to one of the protagonists' inner monologues.
next oyster
Lots of animal noir games coming out lately huh?
paper meteor
Are there?
ebon imp
Blacksad comes to mind
ebon imp
Yeah I gotta get that one. I really enjoy these detailed 2d pixel games.
Shame that The Last Night is basically dead in the water, it looks amazing.
open sentinel
Fallen Aces is comin in 2020 or 2021?
grim wyvern
2021
red sedge
I have my wallet ready
flint sequoia
not coming out
red sedge
B R U H
grim wyvern
EA in 2021
open sentinel
Ok but early 2021?
red sedge
we dont know
grim wyvern
It hasn't been stated
grim wyvern
Nothing official has been released
red sedge
its coming out
open sentinel
Devs state something
flint sequoia
its coming out when people stop asking
open sentinel
No...
flint sequoia
reef lotus
red sedge
Because the mafia didnt like how Trey was making a game about them so they ransacked his house and he escaped and had to restart from scratch
They took his files
his computer
his everything
red sedge
The devs were in partnership with them
but not with trey
All the money that the devs got from Mafia sales partially went to the Mafia
severe blade
I would imagine the restart from scratch would have to do with the whole “NB will only develop in house from now on” after Max Ax got dropped
atomic forge
Even without that, I would also guess it has something to do with Unity being more suited than GameMaker for what Fallen Aces is doing.
atomic forge
Gotta step it up. I won't always be around to correct oversights with my towering intellect, and also my humility and meekness.
severe blade
I don’t give a flying fuck about game tech
I’m just here for eppic 2hu memes and bullying assholes
atomic forge
Fair enough.
next oyster
It was Dave's request to move from GM to Unity, because Unity is more stable and the other NB devs are more familiar with the engine so if we needed help with something specific it would be easier to get assistance.
Unity also has tools for consoles n shit. It's just a smart move in the long run.
tough drum
Makes sense, Unity is a very flexible and powerful engine in the right hands.
balmy iron
lol on my end u posted that screen shot at exactly 12AM 1st of November 😄
grim wyvern
I've been beating my dick wassup
rapid bramble
grim wyvern
Honestly there isn't much to talk about, most of the questions that have been asked have been answered. Now it's time to wait until the demo comes out next year.
paper meteor
Who wants to once again remark on how hot Scarlet is for the 38th time?
grim wyvern
Exactly
paper meteor
That was a genuine question not rhetorical
I'm going to say things that are copypasta worthy by the time the game hits EA
meager magnet
next oyster
Cuz everyone is too much of a coward to ask lore questions
ebon imp
So.... what's the city's history?
last crow
First, it was built
ebon imp
Here is a better question: what is the protag's favorite whiskey/beer?
next oyster
So the city was a “modern” metropolis that was a city of innovation and progress, it however, had an economic downturn and depression which led to Upper Umburgh (aka the Golden City) to being built. A monolithic tower with a city within itself. Upper Umburgh was a way to create more jobs and opportunities for the city and stimulate economic growth and progress. The tower became a utopia where people prospered and opportunities flourished, new technologies were developed. Lower Umburgh was soon left behind to rot in its literal shadow and a class divide merged between the two cities. Organized became rife and Umburgh soon got the infamous moniker “ switchblade city”
gritty umbra
My man just resurrected the channel in a single message
ebon imp
This is actually nice lore
gritty umbra
Yes very much
ebon imp
I've always liked the concept of a city being divided into super rich or super poor
next oyster
With the crime wave out of control, police became exhausted in combating it. They became privatized agencies vying for power. General public became upset with the corrupt policing.
ebon imp
Was rapture a source of inspiration for Umburgh?
ebon imp
Oh yeah I can definitely see elements of Gotham being present in the trailers we've seen so far
If I may be completely honest, at first I thought this was gonna be just another retro FPS shooter with a comicbook aesthetic judging by the reveal trailer (not that there is anything wrong with that) but after lurking around this chat for a while and learning about the nightwave stuff I'm definitely intrigued.
tough drum
Hey @next oyster , I think you might enjoy this one, since you like noir-type games: https://store.steampowered.com/app/855550/Coffee_Noir__Business_Detective_Game/
spark rain
I really like what you're doing with the world! 😁
next oyster
So with police agencies being in-effective and off puttingto the general public, you can guess who was formed as an an answer to these issues.
spark rain
Can't wait for the inevitable power plays by the wealthy elites, a criminal haven like that is begging for interference from snooty bastards looking for an extra buck. 
next oyster
Yeah plus there is the weird way citizenship is earned. Anybody can become a citizen in The Golden City if they become an “ascended” citizen. Either by buying there way in, being born there, or earning it through work or civil service. Can’t have a criminal record.
ebon imp
What about citizens who want to skip town? Are they trapped inside the city due to gangs or are the other cities nearby just as hopeless?
next oyster
Leaving the city requires a special pass, it’s difficult. It’s an issue Mike is presented with.
spark rain
I can't help but get some serious Midgar vibes here. 😜
next oyster
Mike for example, was a citizen of Upper Umburgh, but he was convicted of a crime and had his PI license revoked and was sent to prison within Lower Umburgh
spark rain
The question is, did he really do it? 🤔
ebon imp
Mike's the protag, right?
next oyster
Mike is the protagonist, yes
next oyster
Darkhound most likely
spark rain
It'd be refreshing to see a protag that did fuck up, honestly. Even if the people who locked him up are dicks themselves. Adds a layer of penance to the story.
next oyster
spark rain
Always liked stories that show even good people can make bad choices, but bad choices aren't the end for a good person.
ebon imp
Reminds me of those flask ads that Bioshock infinite had
next oyster
Mike was an asshole lol.
spark rain
Hey, someone can be a good asshole! 
ebon imp
next oyster
Maybe Mike is partially responsible for some things and Nightwave wants him to take some responsibility
spark rain
I like that kind of depth in a character's journey. Looking forward to exploring it more. 
next oyster
You want some infinite style ads eh?
ebon imp
Noice
With the family it kinda reminds me of those 50s and 60s propaganda ads that were all over the US during that era
upbeat kestrel
So... one thing I’ve found unclear, will the game play out in a linear fashion like other NB shooters?
Level to level, possibly with a hub of some kind?
ebon imp
or maybee they were just atomic ads, idk
spark rain
strife 👏 hubs 👏 strife 👏 hubs 👏
ebon imp
Btw I just noticed that the structure looks like El Dorado, which means golden city. pretty nice job on that artwork
next oyster
So... one thing I’ve found unclear, will the game play out in a linear fashion like other NB shooters?
@upbeat kestrel levels are planned to be open ended non linear. The storyline with be linear progression
upbeat kestrel
Oh interesting
next oyster
We are thinking of some...other things
spark rain
Open-ended level design, but with linear progression? Sounds a lot like Metroid to me. 👀
That's a good thing. I'm saying it's good.
next oyster
Yeah, like Thief or Dues ex. Open ended with multiple paths is what is planned.
spark rain
Oh, I see what you mean. Linear level progression, but each level is open-ended and designed for a variety of approaches. No hubs or anything like that.
Nice.
next oyster
Hey @next oyster , I think you might enjoy this one, since you like noir-type games: https://store.steampowered.com/app/855550/Coffee_Noir__Business_Detective_Game/
@tough drum keep seeing this, strange concept
I’d probably be very bad at this game.
I’m terrible at resource management. Both in-game and in real life
winter furnace
with the whole multiple paths thing
i'm wondering if there are gonna be multiple endings or just 1
next oyster
Dunno know yet. Prolly just 1
spark rain
It's probably better that way. Multiple endings can make it harder to focus on the core game.
ebon imp
Yeah
spark rain
Adds a lot of variables. 🥴
ebon imp
Mass effect 3 route is also possible.
People love 3 coloured endings
You know, when the demo eventually comes out I'll write another poem.
next oyster
I wouldn’t want arbitrary good, bad endings
You know, when the demo eventually comes out I'll write another poem.
@ebon imp you’ll like one of the villains then
next oyster
How many villains you ask? A couple
ebon imp
I'm sure there are enough glass bottles around the area to smash their head in.
next oyster
Something I am curious about. Any fans not from the states? Or women? Kinda interested in FA’s demographic. Cuz I have no idea
ebon imp
I'm from europe, not a woman.
next oyster
Which part? If ya don’t mind my asking?
ebon imp
Let's just say towards northern europe for now.
next oyster
Ah, Northern Europe seems cool...literally
ebon imp
yeah and dark too
we turned back the clock by one hour a few weeks ago, so now it's dark outside even earlier!
next oyster
We gained an hour. Get to sleep in now.
But anyways, I’m always fascinated when people from different countries dig games. Like it’s cool if a game or tv show is just as popular in an eastern country as it is a western one.
ebon imp
Don't tell Dillion
next oyster
Uh oh
ebon imp
Fallen Aces was at the bottom among 80+ games because it was unranked
I fixed it
But yeah I would be fun too look at the stats on what types of games are popular where
Like, how does south and north america wary between asia and europe
balmy iron
poor Dillon, Trey always beating him 😦
next oyster
I’m hoping the 30’s Americana isn’t too off putting. I only have so much perspective being from a hick town in the US. Tried to embody all 1930s, 40s
poor Dillon, Trey always beating him 😦
@balmy iron I’m his arch nemesis
balmy iron
😄
ebon imp
Honestly I've barely played any 20s-40s america games. Mafia remaster looks great but my PC is too potato to run it
next oyster
Dillon needs to have a scene like in Rocky 4 where he has a training montage. Picture of Fallen Aces on his mirror
tough drum
I have Gloomwood above Fallen Aces on my wishlist now. XD
Number 2 on the list actually.
ebon imp
My wishlist is wierd
balmy iron
same
most things there I kinda have
and others I completely forgot
and if I were to look at em now
I would take them off the list
tough drum
Helps to check it every now and then, especially as they show what the overall Steam review rating for them are at the moment.
ebon imp
apparently a lot of devs consider wishlist to be a committment for the user to buy the game. For me it's a tool to track games that I have some interest in
tough drum
I've had to remove some games from my wishlist after they've turned out to be not so great.
Like Aquanox: Deep Descent.
They really fucked that one up, especially with the world building.
ebon imp
I remember following that games ages ago and then be confused why it was spammed all over my feed
the follow feature on steam is pretty bad IMO
balmy iron
apparently a lot of devs consider wishlist to be a committment for the user to buy the game. For me it's a tool to track games that I have some interest in
that's strange never knew that, I always thought of it as a tracking tool too
ebon imp
yeah I recall this one dev having around 6000 people wishlisting his game but only 300 bought it and he was in shock
ebon imp
https://www.fanbyte.com/news/warriorb-was-in-over-16k-wishlists-yet-sold-400-copies-in-three-days/ The numbers were even worse than i remember
ebon imp
One feature i wished steam wishlist had is that if something is on sale, there should be a timer under the price untill the special offer expires
maybee enhanced steam has it but it should be there by default
balmy iron
Ghostrunner had it all the way up until release
tough drum
Currently making some adjustments to my wishlist now, moved Gloomwood to be number 2 on it along with Fallen Aces right underneath it.
And the game at the top? Its this one: https://store.steampowered.com/app/895870/Project_Wingman/
ebon imp
Speaking of my wierd wishlist, 75% of the games I wont even have a chance to run on my PC
It's like day dreaming in a way
next oyster
I appreciate the wishlist. The demo really should be your deciding factor on whether or not to purchase. Indie games can be tricky. This is my first game, and while I’m going to try my damn well best to make it good, it will be up to you guys to decide
balmy iron
nah that looks awesome dude
ebon imp
looks like a deformed forward button
tough drum
Oh don't you worry, Trey, I'm already sold on your game along with Dillons. 🙂
ebon imp
I joke of course it looks nice
balmy iron
Ace Combat 7
tough drum
Also, as a bit of a fun fact, Viggen planes were able to engage in mock dogfights with the SR 71 Blackbird.
I'm not joking here.
balmy iron
I don't know anything about planes, so I'll take your word for it Kare
ebon imp
Yeah I've also basically committed to Gloomwood and Fallen Aces
balmy iron
same and Max A- 😦 nvm
tough drum
They were able to "land" hits on that spyplane while it was high up in the atmosphere.
next oyster
One great thing about Nb is feedback from other devs
ebon imp
speaking of demos, there was also this research done some time ago https://metro.co.uk/2013/02/12/games-sell-better-without-demos-reveals-research-3439100/
ebon imp
For me demos are super useful to know if my PC can run a game at a decent framrate
balmy iron
I remember buying a lotta 360 games off trailers and gameplay walkthroughs of others
For me demos are super useful to know if my PC can run a game at a decent framrate
same
tough drum
Also, Project Wingman got a Kickstarter alpha demo that you can still download to try out.
tough drum
tough drum
Also, yeah, Valve has helped a lot of indie devs with these demo events.
balmy iron
There's something so cool about having a demo and then getting the full game and seeing how much it evolved
tough drum
I tried out the demo for this one during the most recent festival: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1389550/Mind_Scanners/
next oyster
I wouldn’t be mad if people replayed the shit out of our demo
It’s meant to be played like that
next oyster
Think Mgs ground zeroes
balmy iron
pls include Delia in the demo Trey 😟 pls !
ebon imp
I honestly think Ground Zeroes was better than Phantom pain
next oyster
The demo is all about Delia
balmy iron
😮
tough drum
And then there's games like Conscript that really benefit from having demos to let people test it out.
balmy iron
ebon imp
I love MGS but phantom pain didn't click with me
ebon imp
yeah I didn't even finish it, but neither did the devs 
next oyster
Yeah Gz was better. More tightly designed maps and story would have been better
balmy iron
^
next oyster
Like Hitman
balmy iron
can't wait for Hitman 3
tough drum
Also, as a bit of an interesting note about Conscript, it won't have any inhuman enemies in the final product.
The first alpha demo, which had these strange crawlers, won't be in it.
balmy iron
that burj khalifa gameplay teaser from hitman 3 gives me Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol vibes
tough drum
Instead the enemies will be purely human soldiers, but their voices sound demonic and distorted.
ebon imp
Ground Zeroes was to delicately designed, the compund felt like an actual base compared to the outposts in phantom pain
tough drum
JD, the developer, did say though that as the game progresses, they will sound less and less demonic.
Since Andre, the protagonist, has been influenced a lot by the propaganda that the French army have been putting up about the Germans.
balmy iron
Ground Zeroes was to delicately designed, the compund felt like an actual base compared to the outposts in phantom pain
exactly
it felt very focused and directed with just the right amount of linearity upon layers of openness
also the narrative presented there was way cooler than what it actually turned out to be
ebon imp
yeah
balmy iron
my fav MGS tho ? Peace Walker !
balmy iron
definitely
ebon imp
instead of an open world it should have been smaller hubs that you would revisit
shit would change and become harder to deal with
while you still had your R&D base
ebon imp
yeah and the D-walker wasn't worth the trouble
balmy iron
even her backstory about looking like she is, is VERY convenient
Big Boss killing a venom snake tho
ebon imp
The horse was ok since you could cause it to... perform a sequel on the road that jeeps would slide on
balmy iron
I like the hiding on the trucks and riding with them feature
but the amount of coordination for that to get u anywhere significant isn't worht it
ebon imp
After PW i think I gotta go MGS2, MGS3, MGS1 and then MGS4
next oyster
It had cool ideas but deflated pretty quickly
ebon imp
I just loved how MGS2 played
It was a much improved MGS1 with solid mechanics and story
balmy iron
After PW i think I gotta go MGS2, MGS3, MGS1 and then MGS4
for me
PW
3
1
2
4
ebon imp
heh, solid
balmy iron
like 4's story a lot
and some of it's propaganda and commercial roots/nods to Robocop
but
ebon imp
I didn't hate 4, I just think the other games did the sneaking better
balmy iron
the gameplay is really shoddy
next oyster
Speaking of Mgs. Remind me to post footage of Nightwave on the codec...I mean, radio
ebon imp
It focused alot on guns which was fine
balmy iron
I thought the ID locked guns were a pretty neat idea
ebon imp
will do
balmy iron
was cool to see that come back with swords in MGR Revengeance
balmy iron
love that game !
ebon imp
I was lucky to play PW with a friend to 100%. Would have been very difficult alone I'd imagine
balmy iron
PW was hardcore but fair
ebon imp
the SSS missions with tanks needed some serious coordination
Smoke grenades were so useful in PW
almost impossible without them
balmy iron
PW made every gadget in your arsenal feel useful unlike PH
sonic void
PH?
ebon imp
Like why bother upgrading my guns at all?
sonic void
oh right
sonic void
yeah i have no idea why PP had exponential price increases
balmy iron
😄
ebon imp
I didn't even notice
balmy iron
I'll call it TPP for less hilarity
ebon imp
It was because of the stupid multiplayer aspect
next oyster
Oh you like gadgets eh? Muhahaha
sonic void
TPP is just so wildly unfinished it isnt even funny
ebon imp
It kinda forced it on you if you wanted to use expensive stuff
Oh you like gadgets eh? Muhahaha
sonic void
upgrading guns just put more attachments on them 90% of the time
balmy iron
hell yeah Trey give us some old school door lock picks
next oyster
Gadgets galore
sonic void
attachments you can put on the cheaper version of the gun anyway
balmy iron
Tommy Guns with attachable underslung grenade launchers ! 😄
next oyster
No powers right? You think I’ve been posting Aces just for shits and giggles?
sounds like a bond woman
@ebon imp my boi Sean. Stop ur making me sad
ebon imp
Oh shit yeah :( I already forgot
balmy iron
if Scarlet Whisper and Dehlia talk to each other in the game, Trey will pass the bechdel test 😉
next oyster
Itshhh okay
balmy iron
is there gonna be like dialogue choices or multiple branching narrative paths Trey ? sry if this was asked before
next oyster
Prob not. That would make Dave cry I think.
balmy iron
lol 😄
yeah Dave hates multiple endings
or narrative in games
David tho 😮
loves Spec Ops The Line
ebon imp
Idk I've have mixed feelings on what that game tried to do
next oyster
But Dave loves Fallout and lore
balmy iron
it is mixed
But Dave loves Fallout and lore
yeah weirdly enough 😄
I remember him obsessing the fuck over 76 on his twitter
I dunno why
next oyster
He likes RPGs
next oyster
Not gonna claim it, but Aces might be the most story driven NB so far. I haven’t played Faith yet tho
balmy iron
also Trey watched your interview where u showed your face, you look like a slimmer version of Eric Jacobus dude ! 😄
Not gonna claim it, but Aces might be the most story driven NB so far. I haven’t played Faith yet tho
u shouldn't, great to hear that tho
next oyster
I look like roadkill right now.
balmy iron
😄
nothing more beer and sleep won't fix bro 😉
or a conversation with Jason Bond and James Bourne
next oyster
NO! No more beer!
balmy iron
YES TRUE CONSUME !
ebon imp
I only saw your vacation photo, and I already forgot what you look like, lol
balmy iron
next oyster
Beer happened
balmy iron
😭
balmy iron
I just drink apple juice bro 😦
ebon imp
I mean... I like cocktails so basically it's apple juice
balmy iron
🙂
ebon imp
long drink is another one, if that's even a english word
balmy iron
oh hey Bundra 🤗
ebon imp
my bad long drink is apparently name of the brand
next oyster
Wait why shouldn’t I play faith?
ebon imp
It's scary
carmine bay
missed it, arm injury
ebon imp
So I've heard
next oyster
I’m agnostic lol
ebon imp
heretic
next oyster
I believe in the Master Builder
balmy iron
heretic
blood
next oyster
I believe in myself
@ebon imp well that is important
balmy iron
😦
ebon imp
time well spent
balmy iron
same dude I'm supposed to be making a presentation
ebon imp
I regret nothing
balmy iron
I hate when they give you long submission deadlines
ebon imp
What topic smile?
balmy iron
so your lazy ass just procrastinates until the last day
What topic smile?
ah just some film school shit
balmy iron
I set small objectives for myself per day 4 slides and you can game
balmy iron
Do a fortnite dance, the kids will love it
tried that, only the teachers dug it 😦
ebon imp
Yeah, luckily I don't drink often either, only at bbq which happends like twice a year
tough drum
I did try out some alcohol several years ago, my mom and dad wanted me to try some and I just didn't like it.
ebon imp
And for the love of god, don't touch your PP
tough drum
They don't force me to do anything I don't want to.
ebon imp
Phantom Pain isn't that good, trust me
tough drum
I have tried tequila as well as genuine and non-genuine champagne, hated all of them.
Didn't feel any of that supposed "happiness" people claim they get from drinking.
balmy iron
I only feel that when I'm around people that go nuts after alcohol
ebon imp
I'm trying to cut away sugar such as sweets or added sugar
But it's hard because sugar is everywhere
balmy iron
strangely enough I've cut down on sugar consumption massively but have grown to consume a lot of salts lately
next oyster
I don’t really like candy BUT I have an addiction to Dr.Pepper
next oyster
I need to get off the Mike diet and start exercising
ebon imp
Also, i've started to take D-vitamins more often and omega 3
ebon imp
beating bad guys
balmy iron
what's Mike's morning training routine ? 😄
next oyster
Mike/player eats like shit in the game lol
next oyster
Obv why we put the ass shot in the trailer
balmy iron
😄
ebon imp
next oyster
balmy iron
nice
ebon imp
this is what I came for
balmy iron
now Scarlett Whisper's and Dehlia's and the ass collection will be complete
next oyster
tough drum
I drink a lot of Pepsi myself, don't really have much of a choice due to my allergies and Ulcerative Colitis.
balmy iron
Pepsi was the shit
I alternated between that and coke(the drink obv 😉 )
in UK
during my late hours in lockout
tough drum
Can't drink Pepsi Max without it causing some serious upsets in my large colon, since its got Aspartame in it.
ebon imp
I'm trying to drink water and replace it with everything except for milk in my cereal
tough drum
Its one of those sweeteners they use in a lot of sodas.
balmy iron
my aim in video games increases by 30% after pepsi consumption ngl
when I'm about to pee for some reason I get aces in Siege
next oyster
Radio. Will show off later when I’m off work
balmy iron
damn trey working on a job and developing a game 😦 must be fucking exhausting dude
upbeat kestrel
Zag moment
tough drum
Sounds an awful lot like with what we're dealing with now here where I live, the stress and annoyance that is.
tough drum
Let's just say the county are being extremely idiotic when it comes to us people with disabilities.
upbeat kestrel
“Don’t worry guys this will be a small update” takes two months longer because he reworked most of the game
balmy iron
Let's just say the county are being extremely idiotic when it comes to us people with disabilities.
damn Kare
sry to hear that dude
next oyster
Like it’s like a randomly generated stat sheet for an rpg you are given
balmy iron
yeah the worst kind too 😦
tough drum
The idiot politicians even think that its possible to schedule bath room visits, which is just absurd all around.
Even if you don't have IBS or such, it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to schedule bath room visits.
balmy iron
damn 😟 sounds rough dude, sometimes I think my life sucks but then I hear shit like that and feel embarassed for feeling that way when others got it so much worse
ebon imp
They haven't been good in my country either. Lazy and incompetent.
balmy iron
mine doesn't even care 😦 all we got is parking spaces for disabled people 😦
tough drum
We've at least been bringing a lot of attention to the sheer incompetence of it all alongside another guy who has got Cerebral Palsy.
balmy iron
well that's good that you guys are making progress with that 🙂
also damn just googled Cerebral Palsy
😦
that's rough
tough drum
Yeah and it comes in various degrees.
In this guy's case, he is still able to talk and move somewhat well, but he does have those spasms.
next oyster
Got a couple friends with cerebral palsy, all chick magnets so there is that
ebon imp
🐥
tough drum
We were visiting the guy a few weeks ago, as he and I along with a politician from Riksdagen, which is the main government body, were gonna be interviewed by a Swedish TV news team, but they cancelled at the last minute and instead the local newspaper were invited.
balmy iron
I can't imagine what dating must be like for disabled people 😦
tough drum
But anyways, the guy talked about that he is out quite a lot and he's just not gonna have it easy with how the county are now gonna be taking away all his assistance hours.
He's gonna be forced to use home care service, which is very subpar all around as they only come at specific times of the day.
next oyster
I’m tellin ya man. They always had tons of women swooning over em
balmy iron
oh gl hf Ape, bye 🙂
ebon imp
Yeah I got nothing to break the ice
ebon imp
let's have a look
ebon imp
yeah it looks great
and I just love the way you can grab enemies and punch them real far
next oyster
(Mike casually lighting people on fire.) Nightwave: Nice punch brawh
ebon imp
I noticed they explode after being on fire for a while as well
next oyster
it's a bug
ebon imp
Ah I see
grim wyvern
Hey that's really cool
next oyster
thx
tawdry heron
hay trey is there any music avalible that i could listen to? i want to get a feel for fallen aces music :)
wheat needle
hay trey is there any music avalible that i could listen to? i want to get a feel for fallen aces music :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_120DMFDQ
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iGeL8JV75IElzcJ4I6UZfDVtJhxJn9y5/view?usp=sharing
Here is some footage of Nightwave on the radio...
This looks fucking great. More plz
tawdry heron
thank you
brisk perch
This fallen aces Dev guy sure is one whacky customer
latent rock
sarcasm?
brisk perch
No he seems pretty whacky
latent rock
as a customer?
karmic sequoia
What is "whacky" in this context?
brisk perch
Yeah
karmic sequoia
What
next oyster
Oh I am quite mad.
brisk perch
Oh he is.
upbeat kestrel
valid shale
Is this one with the live orchestra now?
My ear is untrained in this sense so I cannot really tell
Sounds nice nonetheless
upbeat kestrel
I can only imagine someone with a soundboard just mashing the hotkey for it
prisma bison
next oyster
lol Trey what is this wall of exclamation marks ? 😄 Solid Snake's nightmare
@balmy iron dev textures
balmy iron
ah yes !
next oyster
Is this one with the live orchestra now?
@valid shale naw
balmy iron
imagine if each exclamation mark was an actual enemy 👀
"You've got a mean right hook Mike" FUCK YEAH NIGHTWAVE ULTIMATE Player cheerleader let's go !
next oyster
He’s usually mean to Mike lol
next oyster
Similar in ways
balmy iron
😮
ebon imp
I'm digging the soundtracks
magic tinsel
looks good
ebon imp
especially Smoke And Mirrors, it really captures the noir theme
next oyster
Josh is a good composer
next oyster
It is 3D. Just with 2d sprites
paper meteor
I like the 2d sprites tho
Actually I feel that I'd be much less interested if they were 3d models
Because literally everything these days has 3d models
paper meteor
SHIT YOU RIGHT HOMIE
red sedge
THAT IS RIGHT, COMMENCE THE THIRSTING
next oyster
2d has yields tons of advantages tho. It looks cool, uniquely stands out in the market, you can make it really detailed vs having to have skill making models which I don't have, I don't have to hire anybody for modeling stuff, no rigging. Sure I could spend 2 weeks making a 3d model of a cooked chicken, or I could draw it in like 5 mins.
next oyster
No need for expensive models and animations, that money can go towards voicework and music.
paper meteor
Yeah true
Besides if Among Us is anything to go by, the fans will make a 3d version if they want it
tough drum
I mean, don't we already have a 3D Among Us already so to speak?
paper meteor
Yeah I was going to make that joke, but UFSM is Among Us in 3d with guns
red sedge
with monster
paper meteor
Yeah with a monster
red sedge
with....... Uummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
mint sedge
yo do you have hand on the game or somethin?
red sedge
cant even fucking run it my dude 
mint sedge
na i was talking about this
lol Trey what is this wall of exclamation marks ? 😄 Solid Snake's nightmare
mint sedge
ah ty
red sedge
that was very far up B.G.B
balmy iron
Imagine if this game was 3d
Condemned
next oyster
Condemned’s character models are sooo ugly
severe blade
Adds to the game tho
next oyster
Everybody looks like a Gi Joe
severe blade
Cause it’s an ugly game
next oyster
It does add to the horror tho
balmy iron
yeah Condemned is great
ebon imp
I like condemned but the slow sprinting really got to me. I get it was to balance combat but I really wished they let you run fast when not in combat. I left guns behind me because I couldn't be bothered to run back to get them.
balmy iron
didn't 2 introduce sprinting ?
next oyster
That’s my biggest gripe about it. The movement is sooo sluggish. Dillon claims it adds to the tension, I find it annoying
That’s why Fallen Aces Mike moves like a cat
ebon imp
1 had sprinting but it was really slow
balmy iron
noice !
That’s why Fallen Aces Mike moves like a cat
Scott really likes it too
loves Condemned in fact
next oyster
I should mention you can sprint into enemies in Aces to stun em
valid shale
next oyster
None can run...yet
balmy iron
😮
next oyster
None can backflip...yet
balmy iron
yet.... 😏
ebon imp
can you slide-kick them in the groin?
next oyster
I’ve been wanting to add a slide
balmy iron
can we have a dropkick from Maximum Action 😟 😔 ?
severe blade
Cut Features for the Fallen aces wiki in 2025: slide
balmy iron
😄
ebon imp
As a side note, I like that you can pick up trashcans and throw them at enemies. I can't wait to deliver cheesy one-liners when doing so.
next oyster
Time to take out the trash
balmy iron
"You ?! the garbage collector ?!"
"you got bad information, I never collected garbage, I disposed of it"
*bang
reminded me of that line from "Safe" with the Stath
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu_bVH_nVtc
upbeat kestrel
I’ve been wanting to add a slide
Ultrakill
balmy iron
😊
paper meteor
We 110% are indeed Trey
celest wadi
what food item is this Trey
next oyster
Uhhh...jerky
celest wadi
i c
next oyster
Does Gloomwood have pizza? No? Didn’t think so
next oyster
Suck it Gloomwood
wheat needle
Gloomwood has cheese
Fallen Aces has cheese and cheese pizza
I think we know which one is best imsim
flint sequoia
balmy iron
FA>Gloomwood
tough drum
I like both equally.
balmy iron
Dillon<Trey<George
flint sequoia
nb games> anything else
gentle wasp
I like whichever one comes out first
valid shale
I'm kinda impressed that we've already seen gameplay features despite the game having changed engine
balmy iron
The game engine changed ? 😶
balmy iron
Damn kudos Trey
I’ve only seen The Hong Kong Massacre do that before
Oh hey Albino
That Ghostrunner dude
valid shale
I get the feeling this isn't our Trey https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2RKICjHkmJIppcpvcjx0YQ/videos
not sure though
ebon imp
art
open dome
Dillon<Trey<George
Dang that's ice cold bro
next oyster
Look at what you did. Dillon's upset. His feelings crushed, his wood literally gloomed!
pliant solar
Who's George. I don't know any George
next oyster
Of the jungle dude...
tough drum
Watch out for that tree!
balmy iron
George is some chad NB couldn’t handle or something
mighty folio
Dave is the biggest chad in history though
valid shale
Who's George. I don't know any George
oof
tawdry heron
here is some good ol' insults for ya game ya? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240195284695646209/773652623706161174/specimens.mp4
lol
next oyster
Basically Peaky Blinders
red sedge
At first I thought they were speaking a foreign language
That sco-ish is reall toight and THICC
next oyster
Give em the fookin steel lads!
golden cosmos
Lol
red sedge
The best type of british is cockney or soemthing I dont know how to spell it.
because orkZ
ORKZ
DA ORK BOYZ
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
lilac saffron
beef curtins
next oyster
Hey there criminals. It's me, ya boi, Nightwave.
wheat needle
Hi Trey, does Scarlet consider a comically large spoon to be a spoonful?
Asking for a friend
wanton scarab
The best type of british is cockney or soemthing I dont know how to spell it.
@red sedge nah the best type of English accent is West Country cuz everyone you meet there sounds like a pirate
balmy iron
Fallen Disco Asses
whole kite
tough drum
carmine bay
cock cops
tough drum
Not too expensive either with a 20 % off discount too for launch.
ebon imp
yeah, there really has been alot of noir theme games with animals lately
tough drum
And next year we've got Backbone coming out.
ebon imp
yupp looking forward to that one, I like those detailed pixel games
at this rate Fallen Aces is gonna feature animals charatcers too 🤔
next oyster
Hmmm you’re not wrong perse...
winter furnace
I got my wallet ready for ya trey
ebon imp
I got a wallet with your name on it
tough drum
Me too, except its got Trey and Dillon's names on it.
winter furnace
classic
tough drum
I bought Chicken Police just now myself. 🙂
next oyster
Awwww yeah
balmy iron
Trey are u excited for the XIII remake coming in 6 days ? thought maybe the cell-shaded artstyle and hard-boiled noir characters would be your thang ! 😉
next oyster
The remake looks not good tbh
No disrespect to the devs but it kinda lost the original art style appeal. Looks ugly
rich abyss
3D-Cel Shaded that isn't going super-heavy into a hand-drawn look doesn't look as good now as it did on 6th gen
next oyster
^This
tough drum
I'm not really too bothered by this myself.
As long as the remake is good in terms of gameplay.
Hopefully the stealth sections will have gotten some improvements as they were my least favorite part of the game, since many of them were an instant game over when you got spotted.
wheat needle
That's the other thing
It looks basically the same in terms of gameplay
In which case why should anyone pick up the remake when the original looks better, has the same gameplay, and is almost certainly cheaper?
next oyster
Exactly
I don’t really get remaking stylized graphics
Like they are timeless because they are stylized. Should just had cleaner textures/models. Improve the gameplay
ebon imp
I guess it is more welcoming to newer players if the gameplay is slightly more polished. Then again there is the price...
tawdry thistle
fucking based
tough drum
Speaking of jazz, there's a fair bit of that in the soundtrack for Phantom Doctrine, especially the main menu theme: https://youtu.be/EkTxilMqJ0w
red condor
Fun fact, the Aces in Fallen Aces have Fallen.
cunning harness
they are also aces
cunning harness
this revelation has shook me entirely
red condor
And poop is an acryonnym of Pee on Orange Pineapples.
latent rock
Nononnonono
cunning harness
badanas
red condor
I rest my case.
cunning harness
you just proved that all finns are babies
red condor
Pretty sure English is one of the only Language to call Pineapples something that isn't a variation on Ananas or something like that.
red condor
Exactly.
next oyster
Dunno Finns kicked Russia ass in ww2
They are pretty hardcore. Beat with sticks and pine cones
cunning harness
didnt even have sticks for everybody
tough drum
Remember, the Russians feared one Finnish man who killed so many of their troops that they called him The White Death.
cunning harness
he was also a notorious manlet
ebon imp
considering how dice did those norwegian commandos dirty in BFV, i'm glad they didn't consider this conflict
karmic sequoia
The fact that makes him more fearful than the amount of kills he has
Is how he killed around 25 enemies daily with bare iron sights
Yep, no scope, no zooming
tough drum
Yeah, the guy is a legend among snipers.
cunning harness
he also got half of his face blown off
tough drum
By an anti tank shell
tough drum
Ah, right.
cunning harness
russians also used artillery to bomb the shit out of an area because they thought he was there
tough drum
Yeah, they were that terrified of him.
ebon imp
they walk among us undetected
tough drum
And it is estimated that by the end of the war, he had shot around 500 Russian troops.
ebon imp
how did the soviets figure out it was one guy anyway?
tough drum
Häyhä never discussed it in public, but his private diary that was discovered in 2017 has that figure which begins with the statement that "this is his sin list".
tough drum
Indeed.
And in the years following the end of the war, he had to undergo a lot of hospital visits and surgeries too.
karmic sequoia
And this Audie person just faked his birthdate so he could join the army, even though he's not old enough for it
What a chad
next oyster
Well he got rejected by the other branches cuz he was too small
He was malnourished cuz his family was poor
upper wharf
He had an intense will that couldn't be matched though.
cunning harness
like most finns were at that time
next oyster
Audie went and went full Rambo taking a German mg42 off it’s bipod and had a blood rage when they killed his friend
Then he went on to murder some tanks
karmic sequoia
Oh yeah, I heard about it
cunning harness
that's some tekken Bryan shit right there
bet he ripped the turrets off with his bare hands
karmic sequoia
He used the mounted gun on a burning tank, iirc
next oyster
After that he held off 300 Germans on top of a burning tank with a machine gun while calling in artillery while everyone retreated
He got wounded.
He then got all the medals...forever
karmic sequoia
That "forever" makes it somehow depressing for some reasons
ebon imp
was about to say
tough drum
The guy had PTSD though apparently.
"Suffering from what would today be described as post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), Murphy slept with a loaded handgun under his pillow. He looked for solace in addictive sleeping pills. In his last few years, he was plagued by money problems but refused offers to appear in alcohol and cigarette commercials because he did not want to set a bad example. Murphy died in a plane crash in Virginia in 1971, which was shortly before his 46th birthday."
next oyster
So after the war he got addicted to morphine cuz of his ptsd
karmic sequoia
He was 20 by the time the Rambo thing happened
next oyster
He kicked his addiction by locking himself in a room
tough drum
Damn, that's quite impressive.
next oyster
Hold on. Haven’t got to the good part yet
karmic sequoia
He survived going full Rambo and holding back 300 Germans
But then died to a plane crash
I heard a similar situation somewhere
next oyster
He starred in a movie playing himself based on his book.
ebon imp
He could very well be alive today if he didn't die in the crash
karmic sequoia
He would be 95 though
next oyster
He became a big actor in the 50s starring in lord of westerns
Fun fact. Audie asked them to tone down parts of the movie so it would be more believable
Fookin legend
tough drum
Heh, that's quite the legend there!
Not often you hear about people wanting to tone it down like that.
next oyster
And he looked like he was 12
Which I find hilarious
It would be cool to see more media with a scrappy small guy as the protagonist
upbeat kestrel
The Boys
next oyster
Yeah
ebon imp
Huey doesn't feel like the protag most of the time tbh
next oyster
Thing about Audie is that he was a strong confident leader despite being smol
ebon imp
did he have a leadership role during the war?
next oyster
He started as a private. Got promoted to sergeant, then lieutenant , then major
I also forgot about the threesome he had
ebon imp
next oyster
In Italy he stayed with some hot Italian milf and her daughter briefly, banged em both.
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/murphy I suggest checking out badass of the week they have all sorts of chads there
next oyster
He looked 12
ebon imp
yeah I got nothing
next oyster
ebon imp
Dude looks 12, bangs an italian and her daughter at the same time, fucking holds his own against 300 germans, not to mention he was underaged when he joined the army
certified badass
next oyster
Moving on let’s talk about another badass Peter Freuchen
Guy made a turd knife
Killed a polar bear and wore its skin
next oyster
Fought Nazis, won the lottery, was an actor, Arctic explorer
balmy iron
cinematography looks beautiful
next oyster
It’s a great film
ebon imp
speaking of poop knife, can't wait to see the arsenal Fallen Aces has to offer
next oyster
I can spoil some stuff
next oyster
You can throw crates too
ebon imp
I can barely contain myself
next oyster
You can throw all weapons technically
ebon imp
You just gotta think outside the box
paper meteor
Can Nightwave be used as a melee weapon?
balmy iron
Can Delia be used as a melee weapon ?
ebon imp
paper meteor
One of my players did that to a dead bandit. Being 10 feet tall with 20 strength is fun
ebon imp
maybe she likes it rough
next oyster
balmy iron
Fuck first I’ll weaponize her then I’ll sexualize her 😏
ebon imp
calm down buddy boy
paper meteor
That sounds very wrong in the current context
celest wadi
We know you do, you can see it in the trailer