#dusk-modding | New Blood | Page 87

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:15 PM

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fixed

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doors might have slight issues

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honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:15 PM

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Try rotating it again now

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:15 PM

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yeah uh

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whats with the doors

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Plain func_doors?

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Or other doors

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:16 PM

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func_door_rotating

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:17 PM

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Yea its fucked rb

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But its uabke if you try

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Usable*

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Fuck mobile discord

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:18 PM

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what about an entity that you can trigger to play a sound

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Nope unless you kod other existing sounds

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Mod*

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:19 PM

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also i cant get the doors to play a sound when opened

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:19 PM

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Yea not supported

still raptor May 7, 2021, 1:20 PM

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yet

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:20 PM

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Obv

ancient depot May 7, 2021, 1:21 PM

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Basically the current version of the SDK is a janky tumor shoved on top of the already janky DUSK codebase

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All of the code is in the process of being rewritten for the next update, which is the "real" SDK

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Current sdk is a sus imposter 😳 flu

ancient depot May 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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susdk

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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does that mean

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Fuck i feel shame for writibg that

still raptor May 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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yeah it was a necessary tumor to meet a deadline basically

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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i will finally be able to put 205 turrets on big john

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also

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weirdly

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i cant pass through the trigger_secret

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as if it was solid

ancient depot May 7, 2021, 1:25 PM

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probably a bug

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Weird

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Yea secrets should work

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:25 PM

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it is solid

tranquil mulch May 7, 2021, 1:25 PM

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ancient depot All of the code is in the process of being rewritten for the next update, which ...

Sounds like a good reason to just keep researching and wait, lol.

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Did you give it a texture

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:26 PM

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yeah

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:26 PM

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Show properties

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:26 PM

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hmm

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oddly "health" was set to 1

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by default

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after setting health to 0 it works normally

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my door still rotates around the center of the map though

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Can someone post the copypaste msg lol

ancient depot May 7, 2021, 1:30 PM

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essentially it's because ericw-tools (seemingly) doesn't support the origin value needed for func_door_rotating

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which is used in hl

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:37 PM

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nodraw texture yes

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i dont think its a compiler problem

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i changed the qbsp compiler and it still does that weird spin around the center of the map

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:44 PM

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There is a way to use it properly

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But irs a pain

crimson patrol May 7, 2021, 1:44 PM

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What will the real sdk look like

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:45 PM

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uhhh

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my wall disappeared?

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Map sealed?

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:46 PM

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what

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Is your map sealed

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:46 PM

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well no

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and it didnt have that problem before

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Is it a normal brush or a brush entity

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 1:48 PM

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a normal brush

honest stag May 7, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Odd

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Try just deleting and placing it again i guess

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:05 PM

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so far i got

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that

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hmm

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considering i could have used a wedge for the walls around it instead

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hmm

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📎 message.txt

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Max faces on a brush

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:25 PM

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it is cube

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with 4 faces

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hm

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which line 1041 though

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:26 PM

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If you opem the map with notepad and check the like it's complaining about youll see the coords of the problem bursh

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Or rather notepad++

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To see thre exact line

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:26 PM

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my map file doesnt have 1041 lines

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Send it to me and ill show ya

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Or get proven wrong

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:28 PM

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📎 test.pts

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:29 PM

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that

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is not the map file

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that is a .pts file used to check map leaks

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or somethings else

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but im talking the .map

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:29 PM

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it has

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no line 1041

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:29 PM

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send it

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:30 PM

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hold on was viewing wrong file

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( -1956.53 1268.98 -454.264 ) ( -1957.33 1268.44 -454.667 ) ( -1956.31 1268.92 -453.846 ) PIPE_BAND [ 0.652942 0.725476 -0.217606 0 ] [ -0.162219 0.162219 -0.973329 0 ] 0 1 1

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:30 PM

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told you

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there

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:30 PM

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its a bunch of numbers

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:30 PM

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-1956 1268 -454

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is the coords

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place a point entity and type that as the origin

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and it'll be placed at those coords

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and you'll see the brush

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:31 PM

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seems to be that section

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honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:32 PM

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delete and replace with something more simple

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should compile after that

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:32 PM

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yeah i cant change origin

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:32 PM

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fuckin jack i swear

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:33 PM

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jack > trenchbroom LeonApproved

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:33 PM

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change the origin then

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:33 PM

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cant

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okay

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it seemed to be my sphere with atleast 2059 faces

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:35 PM

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figures

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yeet that shit out of existence

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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jack has a clipping tool LeonApproved

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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wdym by a "clipping" tool

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you mean you can cut a brush up?

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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yeah

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:37 PM

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tb has that

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:37 PM

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honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:37 PM

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yea that but you can also make 3d cuts on top of that

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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thats not very useful

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:38 PM

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it's an option on top of what you just showed

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you can make angle cuts off of things to make them seem chipped off and old

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:39 PM

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you can also do that in JACK

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also still not useful

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:40 PM

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i do use it for cutting out parts of walls for the reason i described above

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:41 PM

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you can cut out parts of walls with the tool

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and make holes

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:41 PM

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...yes?

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:42 PM

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was talking about jack

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also

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carve

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honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:43 PM

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carve also exists in tb?

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i dont see why you feel the need to talk about this stuff

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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func_door_rotating is incredible

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now it rotates into the sky

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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i'll find the copypaste message hold on

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func_door_rotating requires the actual door to be placed at XYZ 0 0 0, have an "origin" property which is set to coordinates of the place where you want the door to rotate around and have a "distance" property that decides how far the dolr goes
You can also add a "speed" property for obvious things

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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i dont see how that is "painful" as you described

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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try it

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and you'll see why

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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incredibly easy

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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try it my guy

still raptor May 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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its really unintuitive though

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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vriska you couldnt even figure out how to use hammer

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this cant be that hard

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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it's not "hard" per se
it's annoying as fuck because you have no indication on how to adjust it at all

still raptor May 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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vriska is right here, the implementation is cursed and hacky

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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and you'll have to compile the map several times in order to get it right

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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"several"

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time to do it in one try

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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yea good luck with that

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i'll be happy for you if you do, seriously

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:49 PM

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done

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:49 PM

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i find that very hard to believe but sure, happy for ya

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:49 PM

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door is at coordinate 0,0,0

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i got the origin marked down

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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did you test this yet or just

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showing off the door in editor

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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well yeah

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and it works

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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that is very weird considering i have to put my doors in a completely different spot related to the map's 0,0,0 for them to work

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because you have to use the origin point like a hinge

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by "at 0,0,0" i meant more like "near 0,0,0"

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whatever you do you
if it works whatevs

ancient depot May 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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honest stag that is very weird considering i have to put my doors in a completely different ...

Isn't Kriml using JACK? It likely supports the origin value that changes how the brush is compiled

honest stag May 7, 2021, 2:52 PM

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OHHHHHHH RIGHT

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i forgot about that

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apologies for the confusion

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 2:59 PM

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hmm nice

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i set the origin again but its now just stuck at 0,0,0

honest stag May 7, 2021, 3:00 PM

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why did you set the origin again if it worked the first time tho?

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 3:02 PM

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experiment™️

honest stag May 7, 2021, 3:53 PM

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gritty forge May 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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new map

bold orbit May 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Don't carve unless you're carving a square into a square

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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i carved a square into a hollow cylinder leon

bold orbit May 7, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Do you want compiling errors?

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Thats how you get compiling errors

gritty forge May 7, 2021, 4:15 PM

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not how i got a compiling error leon

crimson patrol May 7, 2021, 4:18 PM

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honest stag

PIN THIS SHIT

turbid bobcat May 7, 2021, 10:27 PM

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I’d love to tbh

honest stag May 7, 2021, 11:33 PM

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I think pinned stuff here should be used for uh more important things

alpine depot May 7, 2021, 11:44 PM

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nahhhhh

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 3:02 AM

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honest stag I think pinned stuff here should be used for uh more important things

i agree

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when the dusk is susk should be pinned here

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https://dusk.mod.io/when-the-dusk-is-sus

mod.io

When the DUSK is SUSK! mod

Something suspicious has arrived in the quaint backwoods of DUSK...

alpine depot May 8, 2021, 3:20 AM

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oh hell i never tried out the ultradusk map

honest stag May 8, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Im sure youll enjoy it

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:)

alpine depot May 8, 2021, 3:22 AM

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wow

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fuck you

honest stag May 8, 2021, 3:22 AM

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Lmao

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2 minutes

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 3:25 AM

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ill finish it someday ™️

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:44 AM

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how do i download trenchbroom? i mean i went to the github and everyone says download the latest release but what am i supposed to download from here

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:44 AM

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this right here https://github.com/TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2021.1

GitHub

Release TrenchBroom 2021.1 · TrenchBroom/TrenchBroom

Supported Platforms

Windows: Vista, 7, 8, 10
Linux: Qt 5.9 or higher (deb and rpm packages see below)
macOS: 10.14 or higher

Requirements
Windows users please install the Microsoft Visual C++ Red...

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:45 AM

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yeah im there

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but...what do i click on

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:45 AM

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firstly

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:45 AM

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okay

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:45 AM

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for tb itself, it's a bit down

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sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:46 AM

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alright that's all then?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:46 AM

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you also need compiling tools

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i recommend watching dumptruck_ds on youtube for a tb setup tutorial

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:46 AM

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yeah that'll be there in the pinned tutorial i think

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:46 AM

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he's showing how to set it up for quake but mapping for dusk is only a tiny bit different

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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okay thanks a lot!

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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np

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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sharp laurel alright that's all then?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gONePWocbqA

YouTube

dumptruck_ds

Mapping for Quake: TrenchBroom 2 Quickstart

If you want to make maps for Quake, Quake 2 or Hexen 2, TrenchBroom is your best option. If you’re a total newb or returning to mapping after a long time away this is the tutorial you’re looking for!

Download TB right here: http://kristianduske.com/trenchbroom/

requires:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48145

PLEASE NO...

▶ Play video

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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there it is

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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This should help you get set up

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:47 AM

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the first 3 minutes should tell ya what you need to know

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 7:48 AM

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To learn the ins, outs and janks of tb watch his next guides

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:48 AM

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yea you learn pretty much 90% of things you need to know for mapping through those

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other 10% is sdk jank and half life features

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 7:48 AM

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And you can ask about that here

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:50 AM

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What do i open it withh

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:50 AM

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tb itself?

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it should be an .exe

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Well it’s apparently a .7z for me?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:50 AM

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ye you need to unzip it

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Should i extract the files?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:51 AM

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yep

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Anddd done

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Thank you so much

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:56 AM

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hell yea
you probably need a texture wad now

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or actually you're probably just following the guide

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so whatevs

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 7:59 AM

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Yea you'll want the dusk better wad

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Or dusk transparent

honest stag May 8, 2021, 7:59 AM

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the hell is dusk better wad

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 8:00 AM

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download jack™️

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 8:00 AM

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.

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:00 AM

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oh oops

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 8:00 AM

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There's the wad

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:00 AM

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it's in pinned messages too

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 8:01 AM

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"you have communication issues"

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Once you're setup downloaf the fgd

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:01 AM

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ye that's in the guide i'm pretty sure

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 8:01 AM

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also

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:01 AM

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based q dude spending time to make a guide

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 8:01 AM

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if you have used hammer before to make maps then download Jack™️

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 8:29 AM

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i found the door color indicator texture

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:45 AM

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“You may also want to locate your custom DUSK Mod folder inside of “local” and go the maps section.”

What

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What does that even mean

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:47 AM

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it's basically saying
navigate to the "local" folder in dusk
it should be in
Dusk -> SDK -> mnt -> local
and create a folder for your mod there

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inside of that folder, make a folder named 'maps"

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:47 AM

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But didn’t they say that like at the beginning of the guide?

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Should i do it again?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:48 AM

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nah

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dunno why it's like that

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you can make your mod folder anytime

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it's just a place to put your map into later

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:48 AM

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“This will deposit all .bsp’s that you compile” HUH?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:48 AM

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alright so i'll try and make this less confusing

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when you save a map in trenchbroom, it outputs a .map file

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let's call it cool.map

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to make it playable, you need to compile it by using special compiling tools

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the guide should have covered them

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those tools convert your .map into a .bsp file

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which is the playable map

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:49 AM

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The compilinggui yes?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:50 AM

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ye, that thing is a tool to make the compiling process easier, not the tools themselves

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:50 AM

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Mhm okay

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So am I supposed to locate this in the output set up of the compilingGUI

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:51 AM

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the dumptruck_ds video shows how to set those up

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:51 AM

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Okay i’ll check it out

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Can’t wait to actually start mappinggg

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:52 AM

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just remember to not have any spaces/non-letter or number symbols in your folder or map names

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or the compiler won't work

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:52 AM

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Okay noted

honest stag May 8, 2021, 8:55 AM

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i didnt make too much progress on the layout, but decided to settle on the lighting and the nighttime setting, tell me what ya people think

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sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 8:59 AM

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those look epic

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:00 AM

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no ur epic

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:00 AM

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i love good lighting, it looks great here

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Holee i just figured out something by myself

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Damn what’s with the random space

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:03 AM

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wdym

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Instead of ProgramFiles(86x) it says ProgramFiles (86x)

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:04 AM

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i think the compiler might not like the () either

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but let's hope you're lucky

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:04 AM

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put it in ""

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quotes

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:04 AM

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So kill the brackets?

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No nvm

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:05 AM

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i thought you cant use quotes in file/folder names anyway

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or you probably mean something else and i'm just sleepy

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Time zones are pretty annoying

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:06 AM

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it's 18:00 here lol

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i just fucked up me sleep schedule

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:06 AM

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14:36 here

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:06 AM

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russia?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:07 AM

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n o

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:07 AM

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EU?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:07 AM

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lmao no

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Ind.

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:07 AM

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fug

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:07 AM

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No wait not indonesia the other one

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India

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:08 AM

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ahhh got it
i was very confused for a moment

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:08 AM

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Well yeah usually people don’t expect that

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So great i set it up

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:10 AM

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hell yeah have fun mapping

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:10 AM

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Unfortunately ctrl r doesn’t open up the sdk

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It’s like a slap to my face every time i progress

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:10 AM

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what

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:11 AM

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My output folder is the steam dusk folder/sdk/mnt/local

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:11 AM

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that shouldnt be like that

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:11 AM

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What shouldnt

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:11 AM

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the map path

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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Should i go for the id1

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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this conversation gives me internal pain

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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the map should be put inti
dusk/sdk/mnt/local/mymod/maps/cool.bsp

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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I’m sorry but you’ll have to bear with ut

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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also theres a guide

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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it's fine my man

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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Im following it

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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people come and ask this kind of stuff all the time because it's not obvious if you've never mapped before

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dont be afraid to ask stuff

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:12 AM

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honest stag the map should be put inti dusk/sdk/mnt/local/mymod/maps/cool.bsp

Yeah yeah I didn’t type the whole thing out

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also what’s um...cool.bsp

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:13 AM

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i just typed that as a map example

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:13 AM

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Ohhh

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Okay okay

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:13 AM

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so alright go into your "maps" folder and check if the .bsp file is in there

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we'll see if the compiler is actually outputting your map or not

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:14 AM

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Wait

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Yeah okay i got what i did wrong

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Thank

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:14 AM

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hell ye

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:17 AM

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So do i give the game path as the dusk folder or the dusk.exe

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:17 AM

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don't worry about the game path

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:17 AM

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A lot of stuff isn’t mentioned here probably because normal people figure stuff out

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No for trenchbroom

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:17 AM

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you can just launch the game through steam

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:17 AM

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Oh that’s pointless?

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Oh ok

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:18 AM

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well it launches the game right after the compile but you dont actually need to close the game if you're recompiling the map and replacing it in the folder

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:18 AM

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I just make it for quake then

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Because it’d run anyway

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:18 AM

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so you can have dusk open and keep replacing the map even while in the map itself

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:18 AM

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what

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oh

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yeah

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:18 AM

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not much point in running quake btw

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the compiler has an option for running quake so like just disable that

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not needed

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:19 AM

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Okay well hear me out

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The guide tells me to download trenchbroom and then immediately set up the compilinggui

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So now for the compilinggui to work i have to first make a map

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:19 AM

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yeah?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:19 AM

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Say i make it a big slab now, the default

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:20 AM

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yes
don't forget to place an entity info_player_start btw

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it's the player spawn point

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:20 AM

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as if it wasnt obvious from the name

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:21 AM

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I export the thing into the gui now?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:21 AM

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the gui should have a line called "source map"

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which points to your .map file

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Also if my complete noobdom is annoying you then im genuinely sorry

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:22 AM

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man it's perfectly fine trust me

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everyone starts somewhere

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and hey you already figured out more stuff on your own than most people

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:23 AM

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breathes in okay so how do i put the unnamed.map into the compilinggui

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:23 AM

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aight so save the map first

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Ight

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:24 AM

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cus it's nowhere untill you actually save it somewhere

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:24 AM

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Mhm mhm

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And now i put it as the source map

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Yea?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:24 AM

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u go into your gui after that and click right here

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yes

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exactly

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make sure there are no spaces ur non-letter/number symbols in folder/file names

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:25 AM

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thats not exactly how file locations work

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just put it in quotes like "C:/Program Files (x86)/pogger" (for example) if it has a space

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:26 AM

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Yeah i did that earlier

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Okay NOW i put in ctrl r and see what happens

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:26 AM

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nah

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not ctrl+r

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:26 AM

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Okay then

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:26 AM

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ctrl+c is the compile hotkey

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:26 AM

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vriska said there is a compile button in trenchbroom

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:27 AM

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there is, but the gui is easier to use with custom options later because you know
gui was made to compile maps and account for those options

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:27 AM

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I pressed ctrl c

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And it tries to open something that disappears

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:27 AM

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yes

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thats the output window

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:28 AM

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So i did it....?

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:28 AM

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if you want to actually read it just press "Pause after compiling"

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:28 AM

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if it disappears hit "pause after compiling" in the gui

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if it was so fast then something probably went wrong

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:28 AM

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Yeah something went wrong

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I’ll try and fix it myself

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The eric tools exe isn’t recognized as a...

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Hm

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:29 AM

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it seems like you used the gui without the compiling tools themselves?

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did you download those?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:29 AM

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I did

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:29 AM

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send screenshots because we cant actually tell what you see

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:29 AM

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Ight

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C__WINDOWS_system32_cmd.exe_5_8_2021_3_01_33_PM.png

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I downloaded the eric tools

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:32 AM

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seems like you didnt set up the tools folder right

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the ericw's folder should have a "bin" folder inside

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which is what this should be pointing to

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:33 AM

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sigh yeah it didn’t paste it right

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And now

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Yay now the syntax is incorrect

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:36 AM

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what exactly does it show?

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if i were to throw out a solution i would rename that ericw's folder into something simple like iunno
ericw

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:37 AM

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screeenshot

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:38 AM

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honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:38 AM

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this is odd
can you check if it actually did output a .bsp now

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because it did compile it it seems

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Nope

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:40 AM

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check the working folder then

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Yup

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:40 AM

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there you go

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:40 AM

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unnamed.bsp is a thing now

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:41 AM

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alright now shove that into your maps folder

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:41 AM

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Only the bsp?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:41 AM

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yea just that for now
when you start using colored lighting you'll also be putting a .lit file next to it

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but again, for now, just the .bsp

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:41 AM

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That’s lit

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:41 AM

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ikr

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:41 AM

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Sorry you had to read that

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Maybe this is it

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Only one way to find out

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:42 AM

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before you do that

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Ya?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:43 AM

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did you put a palette.lmp file outside of the maps folder

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Yep

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:43 AM

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ok good

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Well it doesn’t have textures anyway

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So yeah

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I have never opened so many folders before

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:43 AM

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aight boot it up

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at this stage it pretty much 100% will work

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:45 AM

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YES

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It works

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You’ve made my day, have a cookie 🍪

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:45 AM

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nice, congrats

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thx

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:46 AM

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I’m falling into the void and not dying

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:46 AM

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you wont cuz there is nothing to hurt you below

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anyway

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now, the rest of the infinite knowledge is using trenchbroom at all
which dumptruck_ds explains extensively in all tutorials

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but hey i guess you already got it at least a lil bit intuitively eh

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:46 AM

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Mhm yeah i saw som’o dat

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Now i am on my way to make 5 blocks stick together and call it a day

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:47 AM

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hmm

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i would start off with spamming rats to make a map

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:48 AM

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Noted, will make 5 slabs stick together with 56 rats

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:48 AM

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oh yeah you got the .fgd right?

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the guide should have had that

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:49 AM

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The fgd

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 9:49 AM

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check pins

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:49 AM

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Yeah im followin the guide

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:49 AM

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ah aight

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 9:50 AM

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I have one word for that last sentence

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fuck.

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“Painfully”?

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“Again and again”?

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Yeah okay thanks everyone

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Good day

honest stag May 8, 2021, 9:51 AM

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np man have fun mapping

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 11:02 AM

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i thought about just

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adding some traps to the map

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like

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oh right

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theres no entity that can shoot any projectile

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nvm then

honest stag May 8, 2021, 11:03 AM

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there is

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 11:03 AM

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which

honest stag May 8, 2021, 11:04 AM

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i think it's object_fireballshooter

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it's uncontrollable so it shoots constantly

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but you can destroy it

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 1:14 PM

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no

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:15 PM

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"No"?

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 1:15 PM

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it shoots a fireball

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and i said "any"

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:16 PM

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Read that as "at least spme kind of projectile"

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 1:16 PM

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maliciousultra

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:31 PM

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Im back with more doubts to make conversations painful

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Where’s the dusk bat file

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:32 PM

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what do you need it for?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:32 PM

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To keep it in the quake engine part of the gui

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So when i press ctrl r it takes me to the sdk fasht

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:32 PM

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dusk/sdk/dusk_win.bat

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but dont forget that you dont really need that

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and you can just replace the .bsp while in-game

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and restart the map

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:33 PM

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I only see bin, etc, legal and mnt

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:33 PM

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sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:33 PM

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Oh...wh..wha

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I probably need to verify my files

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:33 PM

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are you on the sdk branch?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:33 PM

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Yeah

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Dusk/SDK

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:34 PM

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📎 dusk_win.bat

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here

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:34 PM

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damn thanks

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But isn’t it supposed to just...be there?

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:34 PM

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prolly

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also

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i don't know if this is a concern but wont it start dusk again and again every time you compile?

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:35 PM

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Hmm

honest stag May 8, 2021, 1:35 PM

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when you don't need to close it to replace the map with a new version

sharp laurel May 8, 2021, 1:35 PM

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I think so

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Yeah that’s prolly better

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For some reason discord won’t open on my pc

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Epic

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 2:29 PM

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what i mean is

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an entity that you can trigger to shoot a projectile with some parameters would be nice

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like you can set it to shoot rivets or something

honest stag May 8, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Hmmm

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How about a func_door with a trigger_hurt parented to it

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Not exactly explosive or whatever but hey

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At least theb you control the speed, look and the damage of it

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Then*

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 2:40 PM

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not very useful

honest stag May 8, 2021, 2:40 PM

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We had people make crushers like tha

gritty forge May 8, 2021, 2:44 PM

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i know

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but crushers arent projectiles

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also

crimson patrol May 8, 2021, 3:00 PM

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DOOR INDICATOR

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pog

summer goblet May 8, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Hello there. Is there a property to enable the campfire entity from the start of the map ?

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Thanks

crisp raven May 8, 2021, 6:19 PM

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summer goblet Hello there. Is there a property to enable the campfire entity from the start of...

No

crimson patrol May 10, 2021, 9:43 AM

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No

gritty forge May 10, 2021, 10:05 AM

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sour hollow May 10, 2021, 11:14 AM

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he isn't wrong

gritty forge May 10, 2021, 6:49 PM

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I Love Dusk

cedar badger May 11, 2021, 12:04 PM

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dusk loves you

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Dusk is love

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dusk is life

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Best game to mod imo

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So much fun

honest stag May 11, 2021, 12:41 PM

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oh hi skade where have you been

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 12:41 PM

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Maybe more so in terms of potential

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Oh I quit mapping for a while due to school

honest stag May 11, 2021, 12:41 PM

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relatable

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 12:42 PM

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it kinda consumed my life making dusk maps hahaha

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I’m going back to it more and more now because I literally just finished my last MAJOR exam/test

honest stag May 11, 2021, 12:42 PM

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good shit, congratz

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 12:42 PM

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:D

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Yes and I didn’t do shit

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like I usually do in math

crimson patrol May 11, 2021, 3:51 PM

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cant wait to have ya back skade

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 4:31 PM

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time to add an arena encounter for my second map to make it more interesting

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although it's getting a bit long

crimson patrol May 11, 2021, 4:40 PM

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doo maternal arena?

bold orbit May 11, 2021, 6:09 PM

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doo mdwani sicks deen arena!

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 8:01 PM

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ever wanted to feel bad about your dusk mapping skills? boy do i have the archive for you

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http://born-robotic.net/spog/smallpileofgifs.html

gritty forge May 11, 2021, 8:37 PM

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@gritty forge to be fair, quake has a way more sophisticated and technical approach to mapping

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dusk maps look best when they are a bit jagged and gameplay focused with a lot of room for imagination

crisp raven May 12, 2021, 5:40 PM

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LOOKING FOR PLAYTESTERS

tiny pasture May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM

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crisp raven **LOOKING FOR PLAYTESTERS**

If you’re willing to wait a couple hours I can try your map out for you

alpine depot May 12, 2021, 5:56 PM

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ooh you know I'm down for testing

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your maps just keep getting better and better

honest stag May 13, 2021, 1:28 AM

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Wish i had that much free time on my hands to map

honest stag May 13, 2021, 4:26 AM

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fuck

gritty forge May 13, 2021, 4:26 AM

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agreed

honest stag May 13, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Fuck mobile discord

gritty forge May 13, 2021, 4:26 AM

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honest stag May 13, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Amyway, i cant wait to have some free time after uni shit is over and finish my map

gritty forge May 13, 2021, 4:27 AM

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i'm gonna make another otex map soon beegpog

honest stag May 13, 2021, 4:27 AM

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Have you rele the previous map you made?

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Wuth sewers

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Released*

gritty forge May 13, 2021, 4:28 AM

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yeah its finished but it sucks

honest stag May 13, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Let oeeps test it

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Peeps*

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Fucking discord i swear

gritty forge May 13, 2021, 4:28 AM

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ill release it soon

honest stag May 13, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Testung is still good

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Testing*

crisp raven May 13, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Y'all wouldn't happen to have any skip texture .wads you can send my way?

crimson patrol May 13, 2021, 7:28 PM

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i need that too

gritty forge May 13, 2021, 8:10 PM

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..just use prototype.wad?

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??

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this is like the 3rd time ive seen this, doesnt dumptruck have a video explaining must-use wads & the clip texture

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and prototype.wad is there

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 12:06 AM

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👀

honest stag May 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Oh damn is that the map i playtested a while ago

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U finishing it up? It was sick as hell

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 12:18 AM

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yes :)

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fixing some dark spots

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and trying to make it more engaging

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 6:47 AM

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gritty forge

this reminds me of temple_mystica

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 11:36 AM

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what is that

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oh a deathmatch level?

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Cant find pics of it tho

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:40 AM

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yea

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i can send a pic later they look very similar

honest stag May 14, 2021, 11:41 AM

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Not from the inside

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:41 AM

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same kind of industrial boxy corridior design

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yea know it probably looks 10x better than the dm level

honest stag May 14, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Eyo change you name to "who can it 🐝 now"

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:42 AM

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i think i cant put emojis in my name

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:(

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who can it be knocking at my door

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:snare: :snare: :snare:

honest stag May 14, 2021, 11:43 AM

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Who 🥫 it 🐝 now

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:43 AM

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creative

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you can rplace it with a symbol thats related with IT

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like the field

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💻

honest stag May 14, 2021, 11:45 AM

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KKnocking on my mods

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Go away, don't play my maps no more

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:45 AM

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No sir

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Who plays this shit when it's late it night

honest stag May 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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Its late evening for me

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Like 20:40

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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im still in fucking school

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GMOOH

high magnet May 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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sharp trail im still in fucking school

lmao just leave

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heh_heh

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Just graduate 4head

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 11:56 AM

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omg why did i not try this before

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Thank Manniak

high magnet May 14, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Yuore welcome

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heh_heh approved

crimson patrol May 14, 2021, 12:03 PM

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Just win school lmoa

bold orbit May 14, 2021, 3:13 PM

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sharp trail i think i cant put emojis in my name

Change your name to "Go away, don't come round here no more"

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 8:04 PM

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who 🥫 it 🐝now

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 8:04 PM

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sharp trail i think i cant put emojis in my name

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 8:05 PM

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shut up

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fake

bold orbit May 14, 2021, 8:27 PM

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gotta have nitro

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 9:11 PM

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the map im working on was inspired by steamworks, which happens to be my least liked map from e1 ironically, but also the infernal machine which I love

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 9:36 PM

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@gritty forge this is temple

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 9:37 PM

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oh yea I can see why you'd say that

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it's not similar in game tho

sharp trail May 14, 2021, 9:37 PM

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yea

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it got some meatgrinders tho

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 9:38 PM

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sharp trail May 14, 2021, 9:38 PM

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ooooh

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fancy af

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 10:06 PM

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uhh

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why cant I copy paste things into other levels?

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Idk if I forgot something

alpine depot May 14, 2021, 10:23 PM

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you can, select something and ctrl+c and ctrl+v into a different open map

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I think you need both maps open at the same time iirc

gritty forge May 14, 2021, 10:32 PM

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I figured it out

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I knew it worked before

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but it was the map that I copied from or something

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cause it worked with a different map

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im liking this arena im working on

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probably better than the one from my last map

gritty forge May 15, 2021, 3:02 PM

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wat

gritty forge May 15, 2021, 3:21 PM

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poop water

high magnet May 15, 2021, 3:29 PM

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UH OH

gritty forge May 15, 2021, 4:26 PM

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fits the sewer part of my level

tall zenith May 15, 2021, 11:03 PM

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gritty forge wat

gritty forge May 16, 2021, 12:09 AM

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hohoho boy

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the new arena is epic

alpine depot May 16, 2021, 12:16 AM

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prove it, kid.....

gritty forge May 16, 2021, 12:16 AM

#

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spoope

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this is not the arena

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tho

alpine depot May 16, 2021, 12:17 AM

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woahhhhh

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this looks familiar lol

gritty forge May 16, 2021, 12:17 AM

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colored light go ooooooooooooooooooo

alpine depot May 16, 2021, 12:17 AM

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COLOREESSESRKEIS OK NG

honest stag May 16, 2021, 12:23 AM

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i thought this was a silent hill 3 screenshot

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also that probably looks familiar cuz he sent this map out for playtesting a long time ago

alpine depot May 16, 2021, 12:28 AM

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ohhhhhhhh yeah

crimson patrol May 16, 2021, 8:22 AM

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COLORED MOTHERFUCKING LIGHTING

honest stag May 16, 2021, 8:58 AM

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is q dude fuckng gone?

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@gritty forge are you ok there

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wtf happened you went white

ancient depot May 16, 2021, 9:00 AM

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discord bug probably

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that happens sometimes

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especially on mobile

sleek ore May 16, 2021, 9:00 AM

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noo

honest stag May 16, 2021, 9:00 AM

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im on pc

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weird

sleek ore May 16, 2021, 9:00 AM

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he asked to be "rebirthed"

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so he became a white rank

honest stag May 16, 2021, 9:01 AM

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lol

sleek ore May 16, 2021, 9:01 AM

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then i think a mod gave all his ranks back after some time

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nice of em

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:30 PM

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so about playing Quake maps in Dusk... is that enjoyable? does it work well?

honest stag May 16, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Its alright

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I suggest custom maps tho

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:31 PM

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any specific recommendations?

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in the vein of the main campaign

honest stag May 16, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Most maps are like that

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:32 PM

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OK, so the quality is pretty good across the board?

honest stag May 16, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Derailed, lower come to mind

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:32 PM

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cool, will try those

honest stag May 16, 2021, 2:32 PM

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It varies from alright to super good

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:33 PM

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noice

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can't wait for gameplay mods, need moar guns and enemies

crimson patrol May 16, 2021, 2:34 PM

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i recommend shadow of strelok

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its some good shit

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:35 PM

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ah the stalker inspired one

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cool i will try that

stuck ginkgo May 16, 2021, 2:57 PM

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OK so if I want to play dusk.mod.io custom maps, do I need to opt-in to the SDK?

crimson patrol May 16, 2021, 3:04 PM

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yeas

gritty forge May 16, 2021, 3:11 PM

#

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holy tits on toast

crimson patrol May 16, 2021, 3:12 PM

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lmoa

gritty forge May 16, 2021, 3:57 PM

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sleek ore then i think a mod gave all his ranks back after some time

year ruined

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feelscringe

fallow thunder May 16, 2021, 4:10 PM

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hello everyone, new to DUSK mapping, does anyone know how to make ladders work, I've been trying for a while, but can't figure it out?

crimson patrol May 16, 2021, 4:11 PM

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func_ladder? idk

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ill bet its a brush entity

alpine depot May 16, 2021, 6:12 PM

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yup

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you make a new brush and then right-click set it as a func_ladder and that's basically it lol

fallow thunder May 16, 2021, 6:53 PM

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@alpine depot that worked, thank you very much

honest stag May 17, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Thinking about uploading a slightly updated fgd today

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Might as well

gritty forge May 17, 2021, 12:25 AM

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plz dp

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do

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im missing my func_group and plenty of other stuff

honest stag May 17, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Whats the stuff you need

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Ill check if its there when im home and add it

gritty forge May 17, 2021, 12:26 AM

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some of the keys on light are 🤨

honest stag May 17, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Changed that, that was a mess

gritty forge May 17, 2021, 12:27 AM

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ok i cant think of much more then

honest stag May 17, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Hald life leftovers

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Half*

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I think i adjusted the trash bag abd the trashcan models a bit

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Not sure

honest stag May 17, 2021, 2:27 AM

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First of all, create a folder in your quake game path folder, and name it id1 (if it's not there already)
Unzip the file, and place the contents into id1
Go into Trenchbroom, click the "Entity" tab in the top right
On the bottom, in the "Entity Definitions" line, click "show"
Below the line "External", click "browse" and find "dusk4.fgd" that you placed before
The fgd should be ready to use now

v0.2 Changes
Removed a bunch of useless properties that may or may not have caused problems
Added func_group, multi_manager
Changed up a couple models to fit a bit better
Replaced the _light on "light" with light
Added some default stuff like dusk skybox worldspawn properties

📎 Dusk_FGD_V0.2.zip

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@ancient depot would you kindly repin this i'd appreciate :)

gritty forge May 17, 2021, 2:31 AM

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real shit

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ah yeah that makes sense

honest stag May 17, 2021, 2:31 AM

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ikr

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making the whole "sky_up" "sky_left" stuff was painful so it's now default

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just has to be filled in with whatever you wanted

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:08 AM

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hey nice somebody else finally took up the fgd. was gonna be disappointed if my old one was still kicking around here

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kappa

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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yooooooo YOOOOO

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god daym where have you been mang

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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HEYOOOO good to see ya vriska

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LIFE MAN

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University mostly lol

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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relatable tbh

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:09 AM

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ahaha surprised you remember me!

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it's been like a full YEAR lol

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:10 AM

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i mean why wouldnt it i lol

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i remember everyone

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:10 AM

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lmao

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how's the dusk sdk since i was last here

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:10 AM

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some J.A.C.K folks still use your fgd i think

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:10 AM

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oh really? LOL

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JACKers unite

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:10 AM

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yeah they arent exactly compatible since me and veven made this one for tb

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:11 AM

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If/when i get back into this I'll probably fork yours for JACK

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:11 AM

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the sdk hasnt changed that much in a year
we got custom models and some additional stuff but zombie is rewriting the thing

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so yeah we're waiting for that to happen

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:11 AM

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finishing up finals this week and next and then I'm free for summer

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:11 AM

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since uhhh summer i think

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nice, good luck man

gritty forge May 17, 2021, 3:11 AM

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there are mods?

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:12 AM

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yup

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:12 AM

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ah yeah I dropped off the face of the planet right about the time custom models got implemented

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:12 AM

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that was one of the final patches

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:13 AM

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damb. is the open source fork of Dusk still a thing happening eventually or is that canned?

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:13 AM

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prolly at some point

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:13 AM

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custom models are a big nicety at least tho

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:13 AM

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not custom weapon models sadly

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just enemies, and a couple arent changable

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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ye but I mean I dont have to make brush rocks anymore KEKWlaugh

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god that was a pain when I made sunnywoods loll

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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you uh yeah hm you do

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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or duskywoods rather

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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honest stag you uh yeah hm you do

oh nooooo why

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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we cant shove custom models that arent nemies

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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OH NOOOOOOO

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:14 AM

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ikr

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i'd use those a lot but alas

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:15 AM

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dang that's such a shame that would make mapping a loooot easier

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:15 AM

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yeah
for now we're just waiting for THE REWRITE

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but we did have 2 map jams tho

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and another one is coming in summe

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:15 AM

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THE REWRITE stonegasm

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:15 AM

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r

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:16 AM

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ohhh nice

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I'm still infinitely disappointed in me missing the stream where Dave played my map ahaha

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:16 AM

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shame the vods didnt save

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:17 AM

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I was planning on working on some bigger stuff but if we're still waiting on the rewrite maybe I'll stick to smaller self-contained maps for now

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:17 AM

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honest stag shame the vods didnt save

yeah Sadge

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it'll be a little easier to make maps on my desktop instead of in a virtual machine on my mac in a security shack at least KEKW

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:18 AM

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jesus christ lmao

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i had no idea it was THAT bad

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:18 AM

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lolll yeah I made most of duskywoods at my overnight security job i was working at at the time

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honestly the mac part wasn't the issue the worst part was having to use the trackpad because there wasn't anywhere to use a mouse LUL

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:19 AM

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oh yeah here btw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-3pn7zDu9I

YouTube

Piece of Pie Software

Paul's Gaming - Dusk MOD - Duskywood Preview

[BLIND (first-time) PLAYTHROUGH!]

Downloadable here: https://dusk.mod.io/duskywoods-preview

In need of more nonsense?

I live stream sometimes - https://www.twitch.tv/pieceofpiesoftware
Live stream archives - https://www.youtube.com/user/pieceofpielive

Vlogs and stuff - https://www.youtube.com/user/piedragonps

I make games! Download...

▶ Play video

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Oh hey woah! never saw this!

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:20 AM

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maybe it'll be of some use to you

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:20 AM

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probably will! it's not the best designed map ever KEKW

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i was more concerned with making ROCKS

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:21 AM

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i think you and john will get along nicely

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he made this from brushes https://dusk.mod.io/detail-trees

mod.io

Detail trees mod for DUSK

A .map file containing 5 trees (and 2 stumps) i made in trenchbroom, feel free to use these in your maps!

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:24 AM

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oooo hell yeah

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I thought briefly about making brush trees and then was like no the rocks are enough lmfao

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did the white trees issue ever get fixed? this is the second review in a row of my map where someone got white trees and blamed my map rather than the loading bug LOL

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:26 AM

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yea i think so

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i forgot that was even an issue

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so i guess it;s not a thing anymore lol

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:26 AM

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lmfao the guy in the video sasses me for it at in the first minute

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:26 AM

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old vid

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from like august

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:27 AM

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lol yea I figured

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:27 AM

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get ready for the sass he's like that

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:29 AM

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LOL i can't even watch this this guy sucks at Dusk

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dead stops in front of a scarecrow how are you supposed to avoid anything in dusk

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lmao

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this is funny tho thank u for showing me lmao

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:32 AM

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any feedback is always nice

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so i appreciate his vids for balance stuff

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:41 AM

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yeeee

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I think the primary issue with that map is the lack of separation between the area on the left and the area on the right when you exit the logs

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seems like most people kinda meander to the left, then back out and go right

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causing all the enemies on the left to come over and just create a mess

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I envisioned it like choosing one or the other and wiping the area out then going to the other one

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of course by the time I realized the issue I was already half way through making ROCKS

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lol

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oh speaking of that

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did we ever get stuff like player clip and monster clip?

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:46 AM

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nah

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:46 AM

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nuuuuu

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:46 AM

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just the same func_clip we had before

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:46 AM

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i was severely missing that

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oh we have func_clip now?

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didnt have that back when i made duskywoods

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hence being able to jump out of bounds

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:47 AM

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i think we had it when you were around

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like 99% positive

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:47 AM

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mustve been after i already finished my map tho cuz I particularly remember complaining about the lack of it

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:48 AM

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i checked, it was added innnn april of 2020

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:48 AM

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yea mustve come after

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:48 AM

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anyway it's there now

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so slap it out

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:48 AM

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nice

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have you released any maps in the last year and a half vriska

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:50 AM

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only the map jam maps

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so that makes 2

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and trespasser

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if you havent seen that

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:51 AM

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oh nice yeah I'll have to take a look at the map jam stuff

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i havent seen that no

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:51 AM

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the egypt map

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:51 AM

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what's the map website again? dusk.mods.io?

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:51 AM

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co-oped it with veven

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yeah

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:51 AM

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sick I'll check it out soon

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:52 AM

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nice, thx

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:56 AM

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You know what I could maybe do

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it'd be REALLY wacky to do it but

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unlike .map, .bsp does store surfaces as typical textured triangles iirc

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And I think dusk throws out bsp tree info anyway

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In theory I COULD make a hacky custom bsp format for dusk where I could insert custom models compiled into the bsp itself

honest stag May 17, 2021, 3:58 AM

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what a chad

lament ore May 17, 2021, 3:58 AM

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instead of working on maps I might just work on that instead lmao

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Oh sick, there's a lump section in BSP for brush models. In theory all I would need to do is add the vertices to the vertice array, the faces to the face array, then add a model entry

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not including textures ofc

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might not have time to work on this until finals are over but definitey seems possible

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Would it be .mdl then?

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:20 AM

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nah I could read any model format since it's all converted into raw triangles anyway

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I'd just use ASSIMP to handle the dirty work of importing model formats for me

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since I'll obviously have access to the entities data as well it could even be as trivial as adding a "custommodel" entry of sorts into the fgd, then drag and drop the bsp into my application and it'll look for those and insert the models listed

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wouldn't be too bad a workflow

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if you wanted you could use mdls so that you could have a preview in the editor, but the textures would have to be in a WAD3 to actually show up in game

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I don't think ASSIMP supports Half-Life MDLs but it supports Quake MDLs and both JACK and TB will happily display Quake MDLs

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I think the quake mdl tools are better anyway

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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it won't be too much of a problem to shove a bunch of textures in a wad3 tho

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so that's nice

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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ye that's what i figure

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:25 AM

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alright so im a dummy but i want to learn

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to get this straight
instead of using a model format, you will basically turn that model into map geometry?

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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yarp

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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ok yea got it

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:26 AM

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it'll be the same internally as a brush model

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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how does that affect lighting? will it just be fullbright with no shadows

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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but it won't have the restrictions of typical models because we don't have to store it as planes in the .map and Dusk doesn't care about bsp tree info

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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honest stag how does that affect lighting? will it just be fullbright with no shadows

oh yeah lightmaps are a thing huh

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initially they'd just be fullbright then yeah

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:27 AM

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well we already use dusk props that dont cast shadows anyway so

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:28 AM

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you can also bake lighting onto the textures in blender

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:28 AM

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sooo what if you lightproxy the entity in-editor?

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oh wait that doesnt do anything does it

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:28 AM

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honest stag sooo what if you lightproxy the entity in-editor?

the editor as in JACK/TB? nothing that happens in

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right yeah

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nothing that happens in the editor would matter essentially

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possible workaround would be to fork an open source bsp compiler and add the ability to import models into it

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potentially over my skill level tho

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other alternative would be I learn how lightmaps in HL BSPs work and I manually bake lighting onto the models

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probably not very ideal of a solution

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I think forking a BSP compiler to handle custom models and produce a custom Dusk BSP format would probably be the most ideal route but I'm definitely not going to start with that

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:31 AM

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so this is probably a dumb question but
it's possible to decompile a .bsp into a .map, right?

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:31 AM

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nah

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:31 AM

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what if you decompiled that and then compiled again

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ah shit

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:31 AM

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the exception is Source BSPs but only because Source BSPs store most of the .map info in the resulting BSP for some reason

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:32 AM

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ah ok

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:32 AM

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when you compile a .map into a .bsp you lose a ton of necessary info you would need to reopen the map in an editor

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thats why quake and hl bsp decompilers are pretty much useless

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iirc the common method is to carve all the walls out of a big block which.....rarely works well

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:33 AM

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oh god the wad2map tool did that

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it was the worst thing i've ever seen

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:33 AM

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yup lmao

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so I think my plan here is to first create an application that just reads an HLBSP, parses it into the application's internal data structures, then outputs an equivalent HLBSP

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then I'll add the functionality to insert arbitrary textured triangles into the BSP along with creating model lump entries to tell Dusk to display the triangles

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then I can integrate assimp to load textured triangles from various model formats

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and lastly I'd want to add the functionality to read the entity entries and recognize a custom entity of my creation that tells it to load a model from some arbitrary filepath and insert it into the map at some arbitrary world coordinate

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obviously way oversimplifying everything here but that's the roadmap in my head

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imagine I create this then zombie adds custom model functionality or releases the rewrite next day CryLaugh

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:41 AM

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i don't expect it to take that much longer

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:43 AM

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tbh the fact it's taken so long probably means he's busy with other higher priority stuff on a regular or constant basis so there's no real telling how long it could take

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:43 AM

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one day

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one day...

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:43 AM

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ONE DAY

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lucysRiot THE REWRITE

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:43 AM

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exactly

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:46 AM

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I could probably at least add a feature in my thingbob to set the entire model to a certain light level which should work fine for smaller models

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larger stuff should use prebaked lighting tho

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basically just give the entire model a 1x1 lightmap with a certain rgb value

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:47 AM

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could the .lit be utilized for that?

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or is it unrelated

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:47 AM

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HL BSP doesn't use .lit

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:47 AM

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ahhhh alright

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:48 AM

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nor do I really fully understand how lightmaps work in BSP KEKW

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:49 AM

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lament ore basically just give the entire model a 1x1 lightmap with a certain rgb value

but anyway this should be sufficient for smaller models. iirc dusk just samples the lightmap "pixel" directly under a static model to determine the static model's lighting automatically iirc

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for custom maps, that is

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would basically look the same, just manually set

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:51 AM

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ugly af but better than nothing

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:51 AM

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Ugly af is the Dusk Way™️

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:51 AM

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true

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:51 AM

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combined with clever use of pre baked lighting you could make pretty stuff

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iirc you can import bsps into blender so you could even get the shadows and everything right with some effort

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:53 AM

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wait wut./

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for real? and you can export them back?

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:53 AM

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No i think it's import only

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:53 AM

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ah makes sense

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i got too excited

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:53 AM

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lmao yeah

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:54 AM

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obj2map never ever worked right for me which is upsetting

lament ore May 17, 2021, 4:54 AM

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oh yeah no nothing like that will ever work properly because of how .maps store surfaces

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i'll explain in one sec brb

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 4:56 AM

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honest stag First of all, create a folder in your quake game path folder, and name it id1 (i...

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:56 AM

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big thanks

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 4:56 AM

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honest stag so this is probably a dumb question but it's possible to decompile a .bsp into ...

yes but it's complicated for most formats

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different BSP formats store different amounts of information from the .MAP

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eg, Quake 3 BSP retains all of the original brushes so decompilation is relatively trivial

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I don't believe there are any existing tools that reliably decompile any random BSP you throw at them

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:59 AM

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so chad bry described making a custom model tool for dusk which uhh well it seems complex
should he bother or is the support for that coming soon-ish

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 4:59 AM

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define custom model tool

honest stag May 17, 2021, 4:59 AM

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hold up

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oh there he is

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do it my man

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:01 AM

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tl;dr I was thinking of inserting vertices and faces into the BSP lists and creating model lump entries. idea being to create ""brush geometry"" but from arbitrary collections of triangles rather than something compiled from a .map solid

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:01 AM

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lament ore so I think my plan here is to first create an application that just reads an HLB...

There's actually already low-level BSP reader/writer classes for this in the code for the upcoming update (so the mod updater tool can patch BSPs)

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I could share some of that with you later if you want to make something

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:01 AM

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oh that'd be superb if you're willing

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I was thinking about making it in C++ just because that's what libassimp works best with but I'm sure I can find some solution for C#

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:02 AM

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I'm sure it'd be pretty trivially portable to C++ given a day or two

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:03 AM

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yeah given the unofficial BSP v30 spec page I wasn't too worried about that part but I'd appreciate the reference nonetheless

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:03 AM

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I'd recommend the Quake specs over the unofficial HL ones

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:03 AM

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Oh are there official docs for the Quake format? nice

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:03 AM

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The Quake specs are far more detailed and the HL format only differs in lightmaps and some data after mip textures

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Not official, but very detailed

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:04 AM

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Ah I see. yeah might as well use the quake ones then

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:04 AM

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https://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/spec/quake-spec34/qkspec_4.htm#CBSPG

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:04 AM

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hell yeah thank u, will bookmark that

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:04 AM

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Note this was written for BSP v28, retail Quake uses BSP v29

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There's only one difference

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The "list of faces" is stored as 32-bit integers instead of 16-bit in v29

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er, list of edges

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not faces

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:05 AM

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ah, good to know

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thx thx

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Given you wrote the BSP importer code, do you think there's any obvious reason this wouldn't work? I'm working on the assumption here that Dusk more or less naively reads the triangle data from the BSP. Although I don't necessarily see any reason this couldn't work with vanilla HL/Quake but I'm sure there's extra things to consider there

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:06 AM

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It should work, yeah

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:06 AM

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pog

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:07 AM

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You may need to add information to the BSP trees as well though for newer versions of DUSK

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Since it actually reads the collision data properly now

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The current build is more of an approximation

lament ore May 17, 2021, 5:07 AM

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oh shoot CryLaugh yeah I was assuming most of the bsp tree data was more or less disregarded

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although are model lumps even considered in the BSP tree?

ancient depot May 17, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Currently it is, yeah