a quake shareware .pak file which you can fild online
#dusk-modding
honest stag
lemme fidn the copypasta
first of all find a shareware quake pak file
then make a folder anywhere
inside of it, make a folder called id1
so it looks exactly like this - lmao/id1/
and put the .pak
now go into trenchbroom, click View - Preferences, click on quake
and as the game path - select the lmao folder
there is an alternative for a palette file which should be quicker
"so firstly get palette.lmp from the pinned messages of this channel
then make a folder anywhere
inside of it, make a folder called id1, and inside of that - gfx
so it looks exactly like this - lmao/id1/gfx
and put the pallete file there
now go into trenchbroom, click View - Preferences, click on quake
and as the game path - select the lmao folder"
2 ways same result expect with a pak file you should have some quick access to quake entities iirc
they get replaced by dusk entites automatically in-game
west coral
Okay, should be easy enough, I'm gonna find that pak file now
Thanks man
Oh, and just to be sure, I can't use the pak files from HL1, right?
honest stag
unsure
west coral
The installer isn't compatible with the 64 bit version of windows
I'm gonna try the half life pak and see if it works
west coral
quake106.zip
west coral
oh, I thought I needed the shareware version of quake
and then I just gut the pak from it
broken ridge
@ancient depot yep looks like func_illusionary works and preserves transparency
long anchor
hmmm. can you trigger an enemy with actual trigger to startle it?
long anchor
yeah that's why i'm asking
well, that's kinda sad
i just remembered lower
and how there were enemies who were standing on the other side of the fence
"huh? lowerdude_name kills ma buddies? well can't do shit, this fence' power is too much for me"
wait hmmm
func_illusionary huh
crimson patrol
Hopefully coming with scrpting
ancient depot
Triggering enemies is something that'll be fixed
The whole entity system's being redone so we can have as much compatibility as possible
honest stag
"TRIGGERED"
high magnet
If you put a door brush that lowers as soon as the map starts in the same spot as the illusionary, the enemies won't walk thru
honest stag
but the problem is they wont walk through even after that
remember? enemies dont update their navmesh
so they dont walk through open door brushes cuz they think the door is still there
west coral
Where does the dusk.wad file go? The video on how to configure trench shows that you can drag the wad file into the texture selector, but it won't let me, so I'm just gonna put it in whatever file directory it belongs to.
honest stag
to install it, go into trenchbroom
in the top right, click "face"
on the bottom right, on the same line as "texture collections", click "show"
now simply drag and drop the .wad file into the thing (or click the + and find it manually)
west coral
Thank you, that solved it
long anchor
The whole entity system's being redone so we can have as much compatibility as possible
damn, sounds nice
as much compatibility as possible
by this you mean this property inheriting thingy?
like, func_door that can work as breakable as well?
ancient depot
No I mean supporting entities exactly as they work in Quake and HL
long anchor
well, okay
ancient depot
You might be thinking of the brand new set of dusk-specific entities I mentioned
Which work more like components rather than concrete entities on their own
long anchor
oh, i see
mmmm, components
sounds tasty
inb4 zom creates his own form of visual programming language in dusk for dusk
ancient depot
lmao
dry magnet
heya. so i'm new around here and got Dusk recently this week (steam) and been enjoying it!
is there a way i can mod sound effects for the game? with Mario 64 sound effects i mean
ever since i saw that trailer of Mamma Mia Flesh Palace (that Switch exclusive stage) i imagined how the game would be like with Mario 64 sound effects (at least for the main character) how can i mod that?
still raptor
so, if you join the SDK branch on steam, you can create a sound mod using that
if you need an example of how the mods are structured, you can check out the SDK wiki, or the dusk mod.io website and check out already completed mods
heres a link to the sound category on that page
the basic gist is you just need to name your sound files correctly and put them in an appropriate folder
ancient depot
Note that your replacement sounds must have file names that match exactly, even if they're in a different format
For example, if the original sound is fire.flac and your replacement is an ogg, you still need to call the file fire.flac
Capitalization is important too, it can't be Fire.flac or fIrE.fLaC
dry magnet
oh thx!
alpine depot
hm, is there a way to make an infinitely opening/closing door?
been on my mind for a while now lol
honest stag
that's a func_train aint it
shame we cant have it yet
at least i THINK you can make it go back and forth
alpine depot
ooh wait can a func_door trigger a trigger???
odd ore
how are the crushers in dusk done then? They seem to infinitely repeat
alpine depot
dusk was made using unity not the limited modding tools
odd ore
ah, so we simply cannot
honest stag
i've been playing and recording some maps recently so why not link that here too? https://youtu.be/37dlmeAriNI
alpine depot
man the quarry was hella fun
crimson patrol
Wait cant u make those crushers with a fast func_plat
honest stag
do we even have func_plat
ancient depot
yes
It doesn't do crushing damage though
Missing functionality like that is why the entity system is being redone
To properly be able to support pushing stuff around, crushing things, etc
high magnet
Femur breaker in dusk soon boys
crimson patrol
When func_hurt is here can we attach it to func plats or some shit
To simulate crushers
ancient depot
trigger_hurt is implemented
and yes, you could use the parenting feature to attach it to a door or plat
to simulate a crusher
alpine depot
is wind_flight.flac in the root dusk folder the falling sound?
west coral
My mod doesn't appear in the custom maps selection, which I'm guessing is because it's a .map file
Is there anyway to playtest it without compiling it into a .bsp?
still raptor
no
bsp compilation is essential
as .map files are simply a list of brushes pretty much
in order to turn that into geometry, the compiler has to do the math
west coral
Okay, thanks for the information
honest stag
god im so stuck on the old update that i keep forgetting about trigger_hurt existing
crimson patrol
Trigger hurt works?
Really?
I'm confused cause I saw the description of e1mwhat which said that trigger hurt doesnt work
west coral
Textured brushes aren't appearing, they're only grey & white missing textures
Also, I've got a single black-bar flicking on my screen, that only appears in the Dusk application
honest stag
put the palette.lmp file from the pinned messages otuside of the map folder but inside the mod folder
honest stag
ye
west coral
I've got a couple of fences around my map, but they're non-translucent
In-between the crosses, it's just black, where you'd normally be able to see through
honest stag
use the transparent texture wad
Ask around plenty of people have it
Im not at my laptop rn so cant drop it
Lemme see who's online
@alpine depot can you help out here
alpine depot
oh ye
honest stag
thx fam
alpine depot
chuck this into your wads list and use one of the textures that has { in front of it, which indicates a transparent texture
west coral
Thank you
alpine depot
np mate
west coral
How tall and wide is the dusk character model?
Actually, I've got a pretty good gist of it, nevermind that
But I do have another issue
Give me a second to take a screenshot, I can't describe it
alpine depot
turn it into a func_wall brush entity
west coral
it didn't fix it
alpine depot
hm, it should after you recompile
west coral
I'll try it a second time
I might just set the grid size to .0001 so that the brushes aren't touching and it might fix if the func_wall doesn't
long anchor
thats strange
for me func_wall'ing always works
how did you turn it into brush entity? maybe you accidentally turned the whole map into func_wall? @west coral
west coral
I selected the fence, right clicked on it, clicked the "create brush entity" option, "func" option, then "wall" option
west coral
In trenchbroom, it's called a func_wall, and nothing else
long anchor
really strange
west coral
I'm just gonna remake the fence and try again
Trenchbroom is bit strange compared to my muscle memory of hammer
west coral
I am not a higher power
long anchor
you need to possess certain powers to use hammer effectively
long anchor
yeah prob
last talon
hammer is probably pretty archaic compared to modern trenchbroom but I cant live without my grids
or, well jack.
west coral
Same for me
I can't use unity or blender because there's no grid
My OCD just takes over and it's like
last talon
yea it feels like I'm missing something
alpine depot
uhh anyone know why light.exe is just refusing to progress at all leaving my map compile dead in its tracks?
nvm it was a duplicate skybox brush
grrr
silk chasm
https://imgur.com/a/fvxYg0C Currently working on my own dusk level. This one is more for practice than it is any real attempt
honest stag
nice goin man
honest stag
are you following dumptruck_ds' tutorials?
silk chasm
Oh i know how Trenchbroom works
been using it for like two years
i mean I need to make it work cause i ain't doing something right, and i'll figure it out
honest stag
oh wow i think you might be one of the only people with TB expereince before mapping for dusk
nice
silk chasm
Thanks
well i started with doom mapping, then i tried out mapping for quake
cause I do want to make games, and part of that is knowing good level design
its just that Dusk does features similar to quake but its not all the same
so you gotta learn what's different
honest stag
yeah it's almost all quake/half-life features
silk chasm
yeah, which i'm going to have to learn the more interaction and setpiece based features
but the great thing about dusk, is you can do a more interaction based level, or you can just do a level where its all KILL BABY KILL!
honest stag
exactly
silk chasm
what i would like to do
is make a set of levels and call it Mourning after Dusk
cause I like stupid puns
supple radish
there seems to be some sounds that i cant replace with the sdk
like the alert sounds for most enemies
and hit sounds it seems
ancient depot
Yeah that's a known limitation with the current way sound replacements work
You can't replace music in the main campaign for the same reason
ancient depot
Yes, of course
ancient depot
np
crimson patrol
Lmao the dream I just had gave me a map idea
A Hawaiian island where there is stuff under
silk chasm
underwhere?
crimson patrol
Theres like military base and stuff under the island
silk chasm
oh
I wanna make a level that's at a drive in theater that plays the song Linoleum Knife from the Aqua Teen Movie
silk chasm
thank ya
high plume
All of the enemy models are pure white, does anyone know what's going on there?
high plume
this is in dusk itself, I should clarify
like I make the map, then I compiled it, and when I play it in Dusk they are pure white
Or would the texture files still impact that
west coral
Just the enemies, or all textures?
high plume
Just the enemies
everything else looks fine
It doesn't look like I can upload a screenshot
high plume
oooh maybe
Good thinking, imma check
Nope, that was not it
Dusk content is still on
honest stag
in campaign or custom maps?
high plume
Also, a ton of my brushes are missing?
honest stag
make sure you havent accidentally renamed worldspawn into something else
it's easy to do
high plume
Where would I go to check this?
honest stag
click any brush that's missing
then check the "entity" tab
if it says "worldspawn" in the name tab then it's all good
crimson patrol
What about the enemies
high plume
do I make a key named "name" and type in worldspawn?
high plume
Sorry I am having so many issues but I have neither of those options lol
honest stag
hm
what options do you have then?
high plume
I have options to group, move layers, and make point or brush entities
honest stag
ah wait
double click any problematic brush
a bunch of them should be selected
then do the right click thing
high plume
I'll check again
honest stag
just better check them in custom maps, campaign isnt always a good way to check things
honest stag
that sounds like a mod problem
is this the only mod you have installed? did you put a "textures" folder in your mod?
high plume
Yup
honest stag
what did you put in there?
high plume
I have sounds, textures, palette.lmp and then the maps folder
looking inside textures it looks like everything is there?
yeah I got the soldier texture
high plume
In my specific mod folder
honest stag
delete the textures folder
high plume
word?
okay
Is it not needed for mods?
you just need sounds, maps and the palette?
I'll give it a shot
Still the same
honest stag
if you're just making a custom map - you dont need a textures folder or a sounds folder
well unless you're adding a custom skybox
did you relaunch dusk?
honest stag
and dusk base content still has it's textures and stuff right?
honest stag
in the "local" folder there is a separate folder for dusk's base content
high plume
I have the .map, .pts, .bsp and a text file named "light"
honest stag
the only thing i can think of here is verifying the files or reinstallling dusk tbh
kinda have no clue
high plume
Well I appreciate you trying
west coral
Small question, how do I make a prop in the editor? I was assuming it's be in the entity tab or something, but there's nothing.
honest stag
you mean a dusk prop?
west coral
Yeah
honest stag
like prop_skull?
same way you do with weapons and enemies
same stuff from entites.txt
west coral
I don't see any prop_statics or anything under the entity tab
honest stag
that's
well check pinned messages
honest stag
see a file called entites.txt? that's all the dusk entities that can be placed
here's how to place a dusk prop_skull in your map
place any entity, go into the "entity" tab, then where you see the name just rename it into prop_skull
or anything from the list
it'll show up as a grey cube but in-game it'll be good
honest stag
oh hey that's.. something
honest stag
wait hold on did you place the "maps" folder in the "dusk" folder orr
how does your mod setup look starting from the local folder
west coral
Thank you, I was assuming it'd be like hammer how you can pull up a prop selector
honest stag
we do have an unofficial fgd for that
never used it myself tho
it's 2 at night so im going to bed lol
good luck with your texture problem man, im stumped
west coral
night Vriska
high plume
it's \steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\potential mod\maps
good night vriska, thanks for your help
whatever the issue is, it's with the soldiers specifically
other enemies I try work, which is strange
high plume
do other people use monster_army as the entity for their soldiers? is that perhaps what is going wrong
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's fixed
no idea why lol
sorry anyone who encounters this in the future
west coral
How exactly do func_door_rotatings work? It says they're supported in the entity file, but there aren't any properties I can set in the entity panel
long anchor
oh no
i suggest waiting until it's updated
or you have a fair chance of going insane
tepid python
You can check my func_door_rotating map that includes the .map to see how it's set up
long anchor
vriska made an iceberg, and he didn't add it for nothing lol
crimson patrol
Isn't fucn vehicle real
long anchor
timber atlas
is there a way to see object entities in trenchbroom yet or are they always red boxes?
broken ridge
are animated textures implemented?
(with the quake naming format, +0blah, +1blah, etc.)
crisp raven
are animated textures implemented?
@broken ridge No. Not yet at least.
broken ridge
alrightty, thx
slate crane
Heya guys I'm new here but love Dusk a ton and just wanted to say, if you guys are making a mod and would like some music for it go ahead and hit me up! I'm kinda just trying to get into the industry π and would just be happy to get stuff out there
Sorry if this sounds like shameless self advert LOL
alpine depot
help AAA
which 0.5?!
oh wait shit
column 86 fuckin duh
uh oh now it's just not responding
yeah ok uh im still stumped
h-help
honest stag
it gives ya the coords
eternal plank
Try turning it off and on back again
honest stag
find that point
eternal plank
Yeah afaik that means a leak
You can go directly to it on trenchbroom
Forget where exactly is the option but you can put the coordinates there
honest stag
leaks normally dont cause that tho
eternal plank
I c
honest stag
you sure you didnt change the format? valve/standard i mean
alpine depot
how would i change the format
honest stag
iunno
honest stag
autosave?
alpine depot
yeah ill just load one of those
dargh
9:15pm autosave
an hour of work
fuuuuck
would love to recover it
honest stag
can i try loading the map?
alpine depot
ye sure ill dm it
oh uhhh if there's a way to change the format i'd love to know :(
honest stag
we fixed it
alpine depot
and i just found the original error: the wad i was using had a wood texture called wood 3 and trenchbroom doesnt like spaces between words in a filename so it should've been wood_3 instead
durrr
timber atlas
does func_door_rotating work in the sdk?
honest stag
yes but it's a mess
lemme find my message
func_door_rotating requires the actual door to be placed at XYZ 0 0 0, have an "origin" property which is set to coordinates of the place where you want the door to rotate around and have a "distance" property that decides how far the door goes
You can also add a "speed" property for obvious things
timber atlas
uh....I guess it's best just to not use that yet then.
honest stag
yes.
ancient depot
Note that it'll of course work fine if you're mapping using GoldSrc tools
We just need to add some extra features so you can use it properly in Quake format
west coral
For texturing, is there a fit to size button?
I'm trying to make a lever to activate a secret, but the texture for the lever is way too large
In hammer, if a texture is too large or small, you can press a button to fit it the side of a brush
long anchor
i think you have to change texture's size manually :c
west coral
well, this is gonna take a while
long anchor
@ancient depot heya, sorry for the ping.
So, here's the thing: for some reason i can't make brush render invisible with rendermode and renderamt, unless i choose some kind of texture with transparency.
Pic 1: non-transparent texture, 100% visible in-game
Pic 2: transparent texture, invisible in-game
is this a bug or some kind of weird quirk?
ancient depot
renderamt is ignored if rendermode is 0 iirc
long anchor
but it works with the other texture π€
ancient depot
ancient depot
using a texture with transparency likely causes the brush to use the transparent shader
which would cause renderamt to not be ignored
long anchor
niiice
west coral
How do I get a button to change textures when pressed?
Like how in the game, pulling a lever will change the texture to look as if it was pulled
west coral
For some reason the button moves when I press it?
crisp raven
For some reason the button moves when I press it?
@west coral So what I do (I don't know it there are other methods) but I put a replica of the button with the texture I want below the actual button. After that you just set lip to zero wait to -1 (or the toggle spawn flag, I'm pretty sure either works) and make sure the that the replica button, (which is just a brush with the same dimensions and similar texture of the actual button) is slightly smaller than you button.
The result? You press the button, and it moves back behind the replica and looks as if the texture has changed.
Idk if that makes sense
alpine depot
Would a message key-value on a trigger_counter override the default "SEQUENCE COMPLETE!" message that appears?
crimson patrol
Perhaps?
alpine depot
nope it does not :(
honest stag
try putting a message on the thing that's being triggered
west coral
So I need a door to move into the ground, but the directional movement arrow is only available for the X & Y axises
ancient depot
You can set angle to -1 for up and -2 for down
Alternatively you can set a full 3D direction by setting angles
@alpine depot Unfortunately the trigger_counter messages are hardcoded right now
I believe it's the same in Quake
ancient depot
You can set a no message flag at least
and then just trigger another entity to display a message
alpine depot
oh right lol
ancient depot
Looks like NoMessage has a bug though, which causes "SEQUENCE COMPLETED" to not be affected
Or maybe that's also the Quake behaviour
Nope, that's a bug in our trigger_counter
nomessage is meant to disable all messages on it
ancient depot
yet another reason all of this is being redone
west coral
Ya'll know why buttons don't make noises?
ancient depot
Because sounds on buttons simply aren't implemented
The sound system is another one of those things the SDK is completely redoing because it's not really equipped to handle it
west coral
Dude, what isn't being redone? 
ancient depot
Almost nothing, the SDK is a complete rewrite
west coral
So should I just trigger another entity to make the lever flip noise?
ancient depot
There are no sound trigger entities at all
but if there was, you could have done that, yeah
west coral
So my button is just gonna have to be silent?
ancient depot
For now, you can set it up to play sounds and they'll work once the feature is supported
The Quake func_button has a sounds value which is set to a number
0 will play buttons/airbut1.wav, 1 will play buttons/switch21.wav, 2 will play buttons/switch02.wav and 3 will play buttons/switch04.wav
ancient depot
So if you have an equivalently named file in your mod, that sound will play when sound triggers work
long anchor
Almost nothing, the SDK is a complete rewrite
does this mean all the maps are going to be broken after update?
ancient depot
It's possible there could be a bug or two in some maps that relied (intentionally or not) on something that might have been a bug
But overall? No
long anchor
relied (intentionally or not) on something that might have been a bug
i wonder
oh
yeah some of the lower's invisible walls are going to be visible because rendermode 0 bug
ancient depot
If you compile Lower to HLBSP and load it up in Half-Life, that should represent what they'll look like
as a rough estimate
long anchor
nah, i still have nightmares of how it looked after ambient light was introduced
i'd rather fix all of this
before the update
ancient depot
I mean we can also implement internal fixes specifically for maps that break
As in, for a map that matches EXACTLY for that version of Lower, we can mimic the wrong behaviour
So it looks correct
long anchor
that might be good for the maps that aren't going to be updated
ancient depot
Also makes sure old versions remain functional
long anchor
nah, i still have nightmares of how it looked after ambient light was introduced
not only without fixes it looked ugly as sin but also these black soldiers actively asserting dominance
ancient depot
powerful
alpine depot
ewww
west coral
How do I change the skybox? I want to get a nighttime atmosphere
alpine depot
six key-values in the worldspawn entity
then a path to your skybox textures relative to your mod's root folder
west coral
Thank you
frank mantle
what's up with that giant beer bottle
gritty forge
ewww
- person who uses bloom
long anchor
what's up with that giant beer bottle
beer books
idk actually
probably i pushed it and it flew away
dire spoke
are there any plans for what formats custom models will be in?
I was messing around with iqm and it wooorks a little bit
ancient depot
You can currently replace most enemies with IQM (Inter-Quake Model)
But there are plans to support GoldSrc MDL and a few vertex animated formats such as Quake MDL, MD2 and MD3
dire spoke
ah cool
dire spoke
Any hope for something like gltf or glb format replacing or is that a pipe dream?
ancient depot
Those are full scene formats, rather than individual model formats
I think they'd be overkill, and they have way too many features to support
dire spoke
Fair enough
honest stag
Ok call me a fool but doesn't quake mdl REALLY suck ass?
ancient depot
Yes
It's not intended for people to actually make new models with, but rather for better support when loading Quake format stuff
honest stag
Oof makes sense why its so miserable to work with then
ancient depot
IQM and GoldSrc MDL are the ones you'd want to use for new content
wooden pier
Resting from Map Jam https://dusk.mod.io/cart-garfield
alpine depot
resting
THE GRIND NEVER STOPS!!!!!
lusty pier
I charge Jon, itβs what I do.
tight fractal
Just vanilla
alpine depot
HD mods when
honest stag
ew
alpine depot
WHERES MY INTENSIFIED BLOOM
honest stag
chunky pixels all the way
alpine depot
I WANT MORE BLOOM
honest stag
ps1 graphics mod pog
alpine depot
ultradusk
honest stag
exactly
alpine depot
just the jam server
lemme snag my screnshors and toss them here though
bottom image is very out of date already lol
lighting is changed and looks a lot less flat
Ultrakill's lust layer mushed together with floaty island wizardry from hl1 xen among some other weird ideas I'm brewing up
may or may not be a ballbuster on Cero Miedo- I suck at dusk when its anything over I Can Take It but enemy placement so far is tough enough to really hurl you around if you aren't careful, feels a lot less spammy than some portions in my other maps which is definitely a plus
I wish we had an archvile type enemy lol
...is the giant floating pyramid intimidating enough? Idk if it should be bigger with massive bright red lights on it or something lol
gritty forge
this looks really good but i will not forgive you for using bloom
honest stag
and now aqua
alpine depot
aaaaah shove your invalid opinions beneath dusk
honest stag
set the color palette to vivid
alpine depot
actually I wonder, was the bloom pulled off using the post processing stack in unity, or something a bit more custom?
cuz if its the former we could technically do all kinds of crazy post processing goodness, like Vignettes and film grain and chromatic aberration.... mannn id kill for all that in dusk....
alpine depot
id unitonicslly love it
gritty forge
Absolutely disgusting
alpine depot
OOH AMBIENT OCCLUSION
gritty forge
It's a boomer shooter
honest stag
hey dont shit on my boy AO, it's alright
alpine depot
it obliterates my frames
gritty forge
Why would you ruin it with post processing
alpine depot
a boomer shooter is subjective and ill mod it to hell if I want to
gritty forge
hey dont shit on my boy AO, it's alright
its the least worst
honest stag
hey pixelation can be considered post processing right
gritty forge
No, it's FOR the boomer shooter
alpine depot
God I bet you play with limited fucking palette
gritty forge
It literally says summer 94, why wouldn't you have it on
Yeah I do, it says boomer shooter so I play it like a fucking boomer shooter
honest stag
you better have light flares off or your opinion is invalid
gritty forge
I bet you play with texture filtering on 
alpine depot
cringe wannabe bewmor
gritty forge
me?? cringe?? you use bloom
alpine depot
lol filtering can't do anything justice because the textures are too low res
smoothing the image out like that would just destroy all of the clarity and make it feel like you're playing a game made of peanut buttee
butter.
gritty forge
smoothing out the image huh
like how bloom literally makes the game look like a marker bleeding through everything
alpine depot
in a good way :DDDDD
gritty forge
honest stag
doesnt that look just great?
gritty forge
alpine depot
I love it
gritty forge
shame, shame
gritty forge
it feels sloppy & ugly
honest stag
it looks like i opened my eyes underwater
alpine depot
I do that all the time
honest stag
no wonder
alpine depot
...maybe thats why bloom doesn't affect my eyesight negatively and make my retinas bleed
yeah ok
maaaaaybe bloom is a little bad but come onnnn dusk does it right
honest stag
i bet you people have light flares on EW
alpine depot
I designed Downtown Showdown with a bloomed out skybox in mind!
YES I DO!
LIGHT FLARES LETS GOOO
gritty forge
light flares isnt that bad
honest stag
yes it is
gritty forge
how
gritty forge
thats fair
honest stag
row*
gritty forge
maaaaaybe bloom is a little bad but come onnnn dusk does it right
no
99% of games dont do it right, dusk is definitely one of them
honest stag
bloom is the effect you use for 2 seconds when a character walks from a dark room into a blinding light
gritty forge
if dusk did it right then it'd have it off on default
oh wait
if dusk did it right then 99% of players wouldn't have it on, because they're not insane
oh wait
silk chasm
i hate 2000s bloom
but if you wanna blame somemoe for bloom in dusk
don't blame anyone who leaves it on
spam the creator of dusk unti lhe take sit out
though the bloom in fear 2 is really fucking good
gritty forge
please blame anyone who leaves it on
it was added as a joke and isnt on by default
dont poke the devs about this
plucky trench
Oh god fucking fear 2
I hate how all the controls are remapped from fear 1
because fear 1 i actually felt good to control
fear 2 just threw me off entirely and the whole game just feels off
wait going offtopic, forgot i was in dusk mods
honest stag
you cant leave till you make a mod
plucky trench
fuck
honest stag
that's the price to pay
gritty forge
channel names dont matter what server do you think this is
crimson patrol
Bloom
long anchor
channel names dont matter what server do you think this is
i, as a modertator on a certain server, say that's a lie, post above was made by misbehaving user gang
jokes aside, imo that's okay to sometimes digress from the channel's topic
that's how human interaction works, you start in one place and 10 minutes later you talk about something else
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
honest stag
you'll like #gloomwood then
honest stag
go into that channel and count messages directly about gloomwood
honest stag
that's uh
yeah that's what it's ALWAYS like
i'd say dusk-mods 99% of the time stays on topic
not like the opposite is bad
long anchor
try placing a bunch of smal health pickups in a rom in your map
does that look good
laughs in week 2 lower
honest stag
oh god i remember playing some map a really long time ago and like
when i turned off light flares
my fps increased by 30 frames at LEAST
the guy had placed an unfathomable about of small pickups
long anchor
he he
lense flares go brrrrr
i wish we could change these post's colors
and other light fixtures
honest stag
make em a brush
boom
problem solved
honest stag
place a pickup inside
honest stag
yeah that was a long time ago so dont worry
things probably arent the same now
and my laptop is real bad
crimson patrol
When I play test my shitty test maps my laptop sounds like it's about to take off lol
Like I check task manager and dusk is just eating the cpu
honest stag
yeah i mean dusk is a videogame
west coral
So I'm trying to make a lever make a noise when I pull it, I've set the sound to 1 in trench, which means it should be using switch21.wav. I renamed a wav sound file to switch21 and launched the game, but it still doesn't work.
west coral
Then whats the sounds folder for?
honest stag
for enemy/weapon/pickup sound replacements
west coral
I thought I could've replaced the lever sound and it would work in the level
honest stag
nah no custom map sounds for now
west coral
Okay then, I guess it'll just be silent
crimson patrol
It will work in quake though
honest stag
flashbacks to making a sickle select sound an entire music track before we had actual music so you could select them and put them away to keep the music going
west coral
Sounds fun
honest stag
there uh probably workarounds you can do
we tried triggering enemies that arent used often with changing theit aler sound
so button triggers a rat in a box below, forcing it to make the alert sound
didnt work for multiple reasons but you know
honest stag
hey here's an idea
breakables have different materials right?
one of them is a "teleporter" type material which makes a unique sound that's not made anywhere else
make a breakable brush with that material, replace the teleporter sound with the sound you want, sprinkle some multi_manager magic in there and voila
honest stag
cuz you CAN trigger breakables to break
crimson patrol
You know, zombie could add some random sparse unrelated features and then modders could find weird wacky workarounds using em
west coral
Trigger_hurt is broken right?
honest stag
people said it works, didnt use it myself like ever
west coral
So you could just alert the rat, and then push it into a trigger_hurt for max kills?
honest stag
or you could just teleport another rat into it
telefrags work fine
crimson patrol
Wait if you squish an enemy with func doors do they die
honest stag
nah
crimson patrol
They just kinda e x I s t
west coral
Missed opportunity David
honest stag
also you can teleport several gas cans into each other to cause an explosion
west coral
Oh yeah, that could easily work
honest stag
which is the thing that kills you in the func_vehicle meme map
well if trigger_hurt can work with a delay then you can simulate a crusher no problem
im just not sure since i never used it
honest stag
1 - h
2 - trigger_teleport works on props just fine
honest stag
if you give a teleport a targetname it'll be disabled till you trigger it
so just keep it there till you want the prop to teleport
crimson patrol
Nice
crimson patrol
Hehe
west coral
What texture do you guys use for triggers, or do they not appear in-game?
alpine depot
they dont appear in-game
triggers would be a little immersion breaking if they showed up lol
west coral
Yeah, I thought there was some completely transparent texture or something
crimson patrol
Aughaha cmon trigger me aughaha
lavish helm
honest stag
they dont appear in-game says the person who has a visible trigger in derailed
alpine depot
god fine ill fix it rn
wh-
ok it fixed itself i guess
or i just never recompiled??
honest stag
lmao
alpine depot
ok i did recompile but did i never upload that??
im confused and scared when did i fix this
alpine depot
i mean i know that last version had the trigger
can someone test this version for me and hopefully im not just crazy???
just nbclip up through the start ceiling n go to the rat arena and look up at the vent chute thing
honest stag
wish i could but i have an exam in 50 minutes
i'll test it when im back if no one does it
alpine depot
ehh fuck it i'll just upload this actually
if it breaks again ill recompile and put THAT there
yeah im probably gonna revise the SHIT out of derailed at some point, a lot of the enemy layouts are super spammy and the whole map could just use a makeover especially now that there are more tools at my disposal to work with
west coral
I've got a object_campfire in a fireplace, and want to have it lit when starting the map
Is there some sort of flag I can set to toggle it?
Actually, better question, can I change the color of lighting?
alpine depot
yup you can change light entity colors
add a _color key-value
and for the value, it's RGB separated by spaces, not commas
so 128, 128, 255 would just be 128 128 255
honest stag
you cant have a campfire lit from the start
...oh shit wasnt that a thing i asked for all the way back when the sdk released?
ancient depot
Probably, but functionality like that exists automatically in the rewrite
Since entities all have enabled states, instead of being wrappers around jank internal objects that need everything wired up manually
honest stag
remind me again, is rewrite THE next patch or is the next patch PART of the rewrite
ancient depot
both
honest stag
ancient depot
the features I've talked about thus far are next patch territory
honest stag
oh hell yeah
ancient depot
large
honest stag
as large as big john?
ancient depot
a chungus, even
alpine depot
a big chungo :DDDDDD
honest stag
benis :DDDDDDDDD
worn umbra
big chungus or BIIIG chungus?
alpine depot
beeg.
begg.
egg.
quick put a 37mb egg picture into the files and push that as an update
ancient depot
lmao
honest stag
patch notes:
Minor improvements
ancient depot
Major*
honest stag
correct
worn umbra
patch notes: added ability to enable campfire at map start, Other minor improvements.
alpine depot
i just want func_train for floating islands :(((
honest stag
Patch notes:
h
Update size: 2gb
alpine depot
patch notes:
I DONT KNOW WHAT I DID BUT IT WORKS THANK ME LATER GUYS
worn umbra
patch notes:
bold orbit
Patch notes:
just look
bold orbit
What if Zombie is human Nihilanth John Carmack Jr
crimson patrol
What if hes both
bold orbit
Impossible
crimson patrol
can func hurts be moved with func doors
crimson patrol
yeah
to simulate crushers
i heard some people say yes
huh it didnt get moved
but the trigger hurt worked
crimson patrol
so how do you make a crusher
crimson patrol
nvm i scrolled up
golden jacinth
Is there a good way to hide the UI/ weapons for screenshot purposes?
sharp trail
gritty forge
Nice
high magnet
DINERO 
crimson patrol
honest stag
is there a way to force a brush into being rendered regarless of the map being sealed?
i keep something out of bounds to move it inside after a switch and, because the map is cutting out everything the player wont see, the brush gets fucked out of existence by the compiler too
any way to go around this?
i cant make it a func_wall since it needs to be a func_door to actually move into the map
tepid python
can't you just put a small box around the func_door
honest stag
hmmm good idea i'll try that
but wont that still count as an area the player never sees? i'll try anyway
yeah that did it
thanks
humble garnet
is ambient_generic from hl1 compatible with dusk or not?
ancient depot
Any sound-related entities aren't currently implemented aside from a custom trigger to change the music
You can put an ambient_generic in your map and it'll work once we implement support for it, but right now the game will just ignore it
humble garnet
im currently working on a jokeMap for my friend and wanted to make it also compatible with dusk and i was just curious if the ambient would work
but sadly it wont, not yet
ancient depot
It should as of the upcoming patch
dire spoke
would you say its soon or soon(tm)
gritty forge
My dream is that one day someone can make a 1:1 remake of nitro family in dusk
maybe i could do that
honest stag
having trouble with a button-controlled trigger_counter again
just like before - pressing 1 button makes the counter complete or presses it twice
crisp raven
Looking for playtesters. Dm me and I will send you the .zip.
gritty forge
dusk isnt optimized yet... wait a couple decades
honest stag
nuts.wad exists
gritty forge
on doom or dusk?
honest stag
dusk
long anchor
Do we have any slaughtermaps yet?
huh? slaughtermaps?
like scientist slaughterhouse mod for HL?
grave stone
kill kill kill kill kill
foggy creek
Is there a list of compatible entities in Hl1 that are recognised by Dusk?
foggy creek
thanks
gritty forge
Does the tram still not work?
alpine depot
i just had a very bizarre idea; can you parent items to info_player_start?
foggy creek
I think so although I've only seen it in source and not goldsrc so idk
foggy creek
just use a scrolling texture for the terrain
toxic cosmos
great idea
crimson patrol
pogs
gritty forge
Nice map bro!
This does remind me a bit of the first level of EP3 in Death Wish for Blood.
Or was it EP2?
west coral
Can I create visgroups?
In hammer, you can group together brushes and props, then disable them in the editor to focus on what you want
west coral
Thank you, I see how to do it
I thought that creating a group through the right-click menu would work
honest stag
nah
west coral
That sucks
ancient depot
Yeah it requires support for light styles, which is one of the most difficult Quake BSP features to implement in Unity
gritty forge
damn they need to make unity 2
still raptor
lol, that would probably make it worse tbh
hard pollen
I mean they did make Unity 2 π€
crimson patrol
Yeah its called dusk sdk
west coral
I remember how much of a hassle it was to turn lights on in off in hammer
Cause the source engine's lighting is baked in
honest stag
same here
west coral
I don't know how it is in Unity, but I'm gonna guess it's a worse hell
Also, what's the property for a jump pad to increase the height?
I remember hearing it's multiplicative of your normal jump height, so I'm guessing it's supposed to be a low number
honest stag
yeah try 3 or 4
oh the property itself is uhhh "amount" i think?
pretty sure it's "amount"
west coral
It might be because it's slightly submerged in the ground to make it not levitate and break immersion, but it's still just spam jumping an inch off the ground
honest stag
can you show the properties?
west coral
honest stag
odd, that should work
@alpine depot you use jump pads all the time, what could be the issue here
west coral
Looking through previous discussions of jump pads, it looks like people are using decimals?
if anyone is using jump pads, i'd wager a value of 1 or lower is the cutoff for normal usage unless you want to start a space program
most jump pad in the game are like between .6 and .8
west coral
Yeah, I didn't think about that
honest stag
you sure you're not hitting the celling or something?
west coral
So I think I just forgot to save and then used the old properties
honest stag
yeah classic stuff, happens to me all the time
long anchor
if anyone is using jump pads, i'd wager a value of 1 or lower is the cutoff for normal usage unless you want to start a space program
well that accurate
honest stag
wow you dig THAT up
long anchor
honest stag
oh man i remember that time
i used "light" on worldspawn for my map and spent days trying to make _sunlight work...
without having any sky brushes
west coral
What's the trigger value for music?
alpine depot
on a trigger_changemusic brush entity you put a music value, with the filepath to your music which is relative to your mod's folder
west coral
the full directory, or just sounds/[insert song here]
I'm gonna be putting off compiling for a while just so I can get everything done, but this should work, right?
alpine depot
it should, do you have a sounds folder in your mod directory?
west coral
yeah
alpine depot
yup, should work just fine then
bold orbit
@long anchor so that's what DUSK models would look like with the MDL format
ancient depot
the vertex jiggling
west coral
Any way to expand the orange box for a bit more space?
I'm assuming anything that passes it doesn't compile
west coral
clip textures don't work, right?
honest stag
Pretty sure they dont
west coral
So how do you guys make clips?
honest stag
Invisible brushes
tepid python
I don't
west coral
Is there a completely invisible texture?
honest stag
Either rendermode/renderamt settings or being a lazy ass and stretching out a transparet texture
In the uv editor
honest stag
you guys want a funny? this is how the rivet comes out if you holster the weapon then click
sideways carrot amirite
crimson patrol
Explosive carrot
dire spoke
feeding your pet bunny TO THE EXTREME
long anchor
is this how daisy died
west coral
Dusk mapping is so weird man
I expand my map by like 2 inches, the file gets 1000 more kbs
I detail everything and change everything, it only goes up by 2 kilobytes
west coral
I've got a skybox, that counts right?
long anchor
nah it's bit more complicated
look
tbh i don't really know how to explain leaking and sealing
brain is dead
dire spoke
if you wanna test leaking you can put -leaktest as an option in the qbsp thing and itll fail if the map isnt fully enclosed and output a file you can load into trenchbroom thatll snake a lil path to where the leak is
west coral
That's a point file
I came over to trenchbroom from using Hammer
and every map has to be perfectly sealed in order to keep the lighting working
west coral
What's the trigger to end the level when a player passes through it?
What's the trigger to end the level when a player passes through it?
alpine depot
trigger_changelevel
west coral
Oh, I thought you had to interact with that like a button to change the level
gritty forge
tbh i don't really know how to explain leaking and sealing
ill explain
actually i think dumptruck ds has a video
tl;dr seal up every brush so that you can't make any arrows out into the void, one really useful trick is to load up a point file & press . so that you can bring your camera to the leak
west coral
I noticed that none of my "trigger_changemusic"s are working
Yes, I have a folder called "sounds" with e1m1_ambient in it
honest stag
trigger_changemusic cant be triggered by walking into it
it has to be triggered by something via a target
like trigger_once
west coral
so just put the player's spawn in a trigger_once and it should work?
honest stag
you can select a starting music by adding the music property to worldspawn
without having t use _changemusic
gritty forge
i'm organizing the entities.txt into categories, i'll publish it here when i'm done