lol
#dusk-modding
alpine depot
ancient depot
lmao
honest stag
im not good with humanoid models but i'll give it my best
alpine depot
also just make his face a nice smiley like :)
honest stag
of course
alpine depot
we dont have budget for facial expressions
or if we did it all went into hyper realistic big john
honest stag
"this will be big john in 2012"
ancient depot
missed opportunity for a rott 2013 joke
honest stag
is that game actually worth playing?
tepid python
there's already a hyper realistic big john
ancient depot
Yesn't
honest stag
sounds good
alpine depot
mannn i missed out on rott13, it was on sale for cheap a while back
should've nabbed it
...instead i pre-ordered cyberpunk
alpine depot
lmao
honest stag
i keep pressing stuff that im not supposed to
alpine depot
i have so many hotkeys memorized from so many different applications
it's all just muscle memory
i probably can't name a single hotkey combo from trenchbroom or blender
honest stag
crtl+j for trenchbroom our lord and saviour
alpine depot
god we need more software like trenchbroom
it's so fucking accessible from the get-go
..except when half your map has non-integer vertices
honest stag
damnit i cant find my low poly human prefab
alpine depot
time to improvise
honest stag
...found spoon man tho
remember spoon man aqua? yeah he's still there the bastard
honest stag
horror replacement tho?
damnit i remember now - i lost my human prefab because i got upset and made spoon man by accident
sharp trail
looks like a russian horror
alpine depot
spoon man has absorbed the prefab
ancient depot
that is a sentence
alpine depot
"i got upset and made spoon man by accident"
wooden pier
Sick sculpting
sharp trail
experiment gone wrong
alpine depot
even with context lol
alpine depot
oh god
sharp trail
they tried to make a horror but then spooon
alpine depot
no please
honest stag
yeah uh it's yeah
sharp trail
i want, i need it
alpine depot
genuine jumpscare moment
honest stag
that's yeah
his name is spoon man i almost made a game about him but got stuck
alpine depot
he needs to be FASTER
honest stag
wooden pier
that's yeah
his name is spoon man i almost made a game about him but got stuck
How's your relationship with Unity?
honest stag
problem wasnt unity, problem was mesh-based mapmaking which i hated after being spoiled with TB and brushes
ancient depot
RealtimeCSG is free now if you want a brush based mapping solution in Unity
tepid python
just import your maps to unity
honest stag
oh shit
ancient depot
It's what Gloomwood maps are made with
honest stag
OH SHIT
funny you say that flipplie because i actually did try that
it uh didnt work out well
ancient depot
The author works at Unity, and is currently working on a replacement called Chisel
tepid python
I mean i'm making my maps in trenchbroom and then import them into unity so
honest stag
well i do that but they turn out to be real weird
crimson patrol
what happens when you target 2 entities like funcdoors at once
ancient depot
The problem with that is that you lose the concept of brushes doing it that way
ancient depot
Your brushes become models, which is an irreversible operation that loses information
tepid python
what would be lost
ancient depot
The planes that make up the convex shape
By losing that, you lose the guarantee that the brush is convex
And therefore cannot make assumptions about it for optimization and other tricks
tepid python
oh
wooden pier
What is the point of transferring maps to Unity?
ancient depot
Being able to use non garbage tools
tepid python
^
honest stag
u clik u drag and u got a full map on your hands
wooden pier
Maybe it makes sense for me to switch to Unity before I go too far with the map 
alpine depot
***ctrl+d ctrl+d ctrl+d ctrl+d ctrl+d ctrl+d ***
crimson patrol
ive only used unity once i placed a bunch of walls and gave up lol
seems more complex than TB
honest stag
i have a working game on my hands the only thing missing is the goddamn map itself
i placed a block, tried to manipulate it for 20 minutes and said "this is stupid"
honest stag
that's why im waiting for the full sdk so badly
i cant wait to actually combine mapmaking with cool tools AND scripting
crimson patrol
unity 2: dusk sdk
ancient depot
There's also the fact that the SDK will be open source
So you can tweak it for your own purposes if you plan to make your own game
honest stag
yeah which is sick as hell
i actually have been working on concept art since like march
i cant wait dude
well it's not really a full game
crimson patrol
what are you planning 2 make
ancient depot
Big John's Love Shack 64
honest stag
i wish i had my ambitions this high
crimson patrol
map made of func doors
honest stag
but sadly it's just a slow-paced silent hill/cry of fear inspired mod
it shouldnt be too difficult and i have some models and concepts already
so glad i learned blender
wooden pier
but sadly it's just a slow-paced silent hill/cry of fear inspired mod
Replace Silent Hill with HL2 and it will be my mod
crimson patrol
make hl3 in dusk engine
honest stag
i dont even have super huge plans and i can already see it taking ugh
well at LEAST 1-2 years of my life
ancient depot
If you enjoy it, it's worth it
honest stag
honestly yeah
it's better than watching youtube videos non-stop in my free time anyway
crimson patrol
i wanna make something too once full sdk is released
wooden pier
Years mean nothing, the most important thing is to work steadily on a mod without burnout
worn umbra
Dusk souls
honest stag
yeah true
wooden pier
I remembered the news about the mod where it was possible to launch a map from Dark Souls in GTA5 and drive it around in a car
tepid python
so when's scripting coming out
ancient depot
when it's ready™️
long anchor
hey zom
There's also the fact that the SDK will be open source
what do you actually mean by saying this
ancient depot
The entire source code will be public
Pretty much everything except the game assets
honest stag
by that you mean using the game's code to make a new game but not the actual sounds and models?
ancient depot
Yeah
wooden pier
But will we be able to replace in-game models?
ancient depot
Yes, you already can partially
wooden pier
Good
worn umbra
Weapon models when zomb. I need it
long anchor
if we take dusk as quake of it's time then we need to find a microsoft employee to make our own half-life 😎
ancient depot
crimson patrol
i feel bad for devs constantly being pestered about the release date
wooden pier
Take as much time as you need, we will wait 
long anchor
^
ancient depot
Nah I completely understand wanting to ask
worn umbra
Srry
honest stag
i waited for 2 years and i'll wait more
worn umbra
I just really want a bow :(
honest stag
cries in stalker
crimson patrol
is a powerfull tool for NB because they can have as much time as they need to polish a game, so its never rushed out
worn umbra
Dusk 2 confirmed 2031
long anchor
cries in stalker
hey at least stalker 2 is confirmed
crimson patrol
dusk 2 never tm
long anchor
lol
ancient depot
wdym there are 12 dusk games
wooden pier
It's a shame I don't have VR
long anchor
for me it's both vr and good pc
worn umbra
Every mod is canon
honest stag
there is also this cool spin-off called duskers
crimson patrol
yeah 12 dusk games in the order 1,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13
long anchor
I tried playing doom eternal yesterday
worn umbra
So there are like 100 sequels to dusk already
crimson patrol
were waiting for 2
wooden pier
DUSK: Fingerbones
honest stag
i feel ya man i had to do the same
long anchor
still lags as hell
worn umbra
Dusk kart
long anchor
HA
honest stag
yeah
crimson patrol
i love that cart dog is in dw
ancient depot
Someone ported cartdog to carmageddon which is hilarious to me
honest stag
Cartdog always reminded me of this dude
worn umbra
Man i just wanna make a spiritual successor to darkness 2
ancient depot
ProBuilder is just a half-baked modelling tool
worn umbra
What the fuck
ancient depot
It's advertised for level design but is barely functional for that purpose
long anchor
yeah i remember david saying on the dusk stream that making windows with probuilder took ages
honest stag
i was about to make a very mean sdk joke why push it out undercooked
oops fucked the quote
whatever
ancient depot
Why make that post undercooked?
honest stag
h
crimson patrol
h
honest stag
hey that's supposed to be private 😳
ancient depot
ancient depot
If you want the current patch notes for the hotfix
Hotfix
* Fixed health and armor being incorrect after loading a save on a custom level.
* Heavily optimized startup code, which fixes the infamously long "loading tunes" screen.
* Lighting accuracy in Quake 1 BSP (v29) maps has been improved.
* Cartdogs no longer spawn without a model.
* Wendigos now correctly spawn invisible.
* Missing models will now display as a cube.
* Idle animations in custom models will now play correctly.
* Added a -skip-dos launch option to skip the FakeDOS intro screen.
* Fixed a bug that caused music (and possibly other assets) to occasionally fail to load.
* Significantly reduced texture allocations when atlasing lightmap data, resulting in faster map loads and better performance.```I haven't announced everything that'll be in the post-hotfix patch
crimson patrol
cart dog spawns without a model
long anchor
i think i saw you using new cool lookin' console right?
crimson patrol
worn umbra
func_vehicle
ancient depot
I don't believe I've shown off anything related to the console in the SDK yet other than old test videos
And that super old SDK prototype that had a half working one
frank mantle
Zombie you're amazing
ancient depot
The DLL worked?
ancient depot
hahahaha
alpine depot
it's magic
last talon
Zombie fetishism :D
ancient depot
frank mantle
it did work!
ancient depot
Fuck yeah
frank mantle
framerate kinda low on the level but it's loaded and fine
ancient depot
Yeah there's a few areas that can sap performance on low end hardware
Namely the way ambient light is handled currently
crimson patrol
Zombie megamind
frank mantle
my health reset on save load 😦
by the way don't put grand wizards in small places, especially if you haven't given the player strong weapons yet
ancient depot
The health reset bug is fixed in the upcoming hotfix
long anchor
pog
frank mantle
also I no longer have sickles, only sword
same for dual weapons
cannot use single ones
nvm I can use the pistol
toxic cosmos
Is there a way to make bounce pads work?
long anchor
yes, you have to add certain proprty to bounce pad entity
hold on
amount
set it to 0.5 or so for the first time
cause large numbers are
hell
frank mantle
why do I expect custom maps to be balanced on CM 🤦
long anchor
why not
toxic cosmos
@long anchor thanks man
frank mantle
I always expect custom maps to be like the main campaign
which is highly polished, actually
bold orbit
Is zombies magic going to extend to the switch version or will the big N not allow it?
ancient depot
Mods on Switch is something we'd love to do but right now it's not something we're looking at until the SDK is done
Also, SDK patch is now live
alpine depot
let's GOOOOOO
now urban turmoil can run smoothly like it used to!!!!!!!
let's goooo!!!
crisp raven
🙏
gritty forge
Thank you for updating the SDK. You fixed the more important things. I have nothing left to ask for at the moment. The big stuff has been mostly fixed.
Sorry for being a self entitled impatient prick.
ancient depot
The main menu music not playing was caused by the same bug that caused some music tracks to not play in custom levels
gritty forge
You did good.
crimson patrol
i just had the chance to play shadow of strelok since im on my PC
holy shit man that was great
alpine depot
this is sick
gritty forge
Damn, what if somebody made their own game with the SDK?
gritty forge
Gonna give it a try now.
alpine depot
I CANT BELIEVE I'M HAPPY ABOUT THOSE SKINWALKING BASTARDS BEING INVISIBLE AGAIN
alpine depot
cart dawg!!!!!
ancient depot
Cartdogs actually broke because I accidentally set them up to support custom models
Without including the actual model (because it's a bit more complex to deal with currently)
gritty forge
Is saving in the main game coming somewhere down the pipeline? That's my only question.
I don't care when.
gritty forge
Good. I can't wait to see that come into play. Imagine soon we get custom weapons, it would be cool to play built in levels with said weapons.
long anchor
oh boi
alpine depot
uhh, bone monks seem to be jank
long anchor
hotfix huh
long anchor
damn
ancient depot
Huh, lemme take a look
alpine depot
bone monks dont do anything at all except idle
oh yeah
bone balsl too
ewww their alert sound sounds like a bone crunch
they're just sitting there
ancient depot
There's probably an error being thrown which stops the AI from running
alpine depot
when i shoot a bone ball it just careens away, normally it doesn't just float off like a madman without any weight or drag to it
ancient depot
Looking into it now
alpine depot
bone monks just uh
float off
lol
when i shoot them they float away and also fly upwards
gritty forge
Looking into it now
@ancient depot Maybe look into the item lighting issue too while you're at it.
ancient depot
ok I think I fixed both
bold orbit
No please be more reckless with your black magic
civvie said it's name and we're all gonna die so have some fun with your magic
long anchor
lmao
gritty forge
Look at THESE HD bad boys.
crimson patrol
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ancient depot
yep, both fixed
gritty forge
feels wrong
@bold orbit Usually HD stuff feels wrong when you get used to the originals. I can easily adjust though... Those are the only things I can really easily adjust too. Adjusting to anything else is difficult for me.
bold orbit
It'd probably work better if the model was HD as well instead of a half carrot with a cube
So custom weapons are still tbd
Same with place_models?
ancient depot
This should fix the AI while we prepare a proper patch
Dark objects can't be fixed by a DLL change alone so you'll need to wait for the full hotfix hotfix for that
bold orbit
am excited
gritty forge
I guess dark objects require rebaked lighting?
ancient depot
Nah, just some modified object properties
gritty forge
Okay. I'm not gonna ask anything else.
pearl fox
Hmm, after changing something int he modding menu and hitting apply, the music stops in the main menu again
gritty forge
You can't win 'em all.
ancient depot
Yeah that's known
But it's not really worth fixing because the code responsible for all that is being replaced in like, the next major patch
pearl fox
Ah, awesome!
gritty forge
When my texture pack releases and you still want a retro look, try enabling the retro palette. I just picked up the project again.
golden jacinth
What do you do with the .dll?
long anchor
Is this me or this skybox is not present in game files
crimson patrol
I think that's just the e3m5 skybox flipped
golden jacinth
Finished my greybox yesterday and moving on to texturing and detailing.
frank mantle
yep that's a fast main menu load
bold orbit
fASTEST LOAD IN THE WEST
cosmic pulsar
How do I put the dusk weapons in my map?
half dust
Does this mean monsters can walk through doors or is that in the patch?
cosmic pulsar
ok,thanks
gritty forge
How does it look though?
gritty forge
LOL
Mine is just an upscale.
I had to make edits, and I had to combine two different outputs together, as one had more detail in the clothes than the other.
I think it turned out pretty nicely. I'm trying to make my texture pack as close to the vanilla style as possible, but while looking new. And I want things to be nice and sharp, as well as smooth.
If or when animation changes are possible, somebody should make the rats wiggle like they're scurrying towards you, rather than just sliding across the floor.
gritty forge
worn umbra
people are playing dusk mods again, its a halloween miracle :')
hallow rapids
There any good DUSK mods you guys recommend?
worn umbra
Duskstein, strelok, enclave, lower, and all of Aqua's maps.
bold orbit
Anything by @honest stag
bold orbit
Idk mines not lookin as good as I thought it would
the last 5 rooms have fucked up scaling because I messed up the pixel measurements
hallow rapids
Thanks guys, I'll look into those
bold orbit
I do since I want to make sure my map is to scale with the original 1-1
hallow rapids
Oh, btw, does anyone know how to fix the black flashing bars?
It only occurs when running the SDK
bold orbit
Verify your files
try changing your resolution
go windowed in fullscreen, vice versa if windowed
gritty forge
I wonder if one of the plans is custom survival maps.
Wait. Imagine a RANDOMIZER!
I do have a bad feeling that New Game Plus is cancelled. A randomizer I guess would be the next best thing.
cosmic pulsar
Quake weapons turn into dusk weapons when you compile
@crimson patrol how will I know what weapons and enemies turn into when compiled to dusk
gritty forge
I think it's pinned.
honest stag
that hd stuff just feels... wrong
pixels really help the style i guess
i wake up - i see update - yes
oh also a guy from the speedrunner discord complained that the timer buttons and splits dont work right
gritty forge
that hd stuff just feels... wrong
@honest stag Well, you don't have to use it if you don't feel like it's any good. It's just an interesting experiment/challenge.
golden jacinth
@ johncreqw7 how will I know what weapons and enemies turn into when compiled to dusk
@cosmic pulsar https://dev.newblood.games/index.php/Quake_entities_in_dusk
honest stag
Oh you don't have to use quake entities
Hold up lemme find my copypaste thing
spawn an entity, any entity, for example item_shells
then click on it
go into the "entity" tab on top right
check entites.txt for the entity you want, for example, a pistol, which would be weapon_pistol
rename the entity into weapon_pistol
it should look like a 16x16 unit square with a "weapon_pistol" title
(get entites.txt from pinned messages)
gritty forge
I still suggest you give it a try once it's released. That's gonna be in quite while though. New upscale models are being made constantly, each with their own uses. That alone is one reason why this is taking longer than expected.
honest stag
i've never liked hd mods lmao
in fact my weak laptop causes me to install mods that DOWNGRADE the graphics sometimes so HD is out of place for me
gritty forge
Well I can agree that loads of HD texture packs are shit... Don't get me started on the Star Fox 64 one.
honest stag
and i've been looking at the original textures for over 100 hours while mapping
gritty forge
Just so you know, I'm trying to preserve the style as much as I can, but making it look sharp and smooth. It's pretty difficult doing so, as you gotta use your imagination for some textures to figure out what upscale looks best. I am not automating this. I am upscaling them one-by-one and editing them whenever edits are needed.
I'm not going for realism.
honest stag
i still prefer pixels tbh, just an opinion
gritty forge
Lots of HD texture packs aim for realism because those people are stupid. They think HD means super realistic. HD is just high resolution.
I'm a fan of keeping things faithful in both graphics and sound, while also making them feel new at the same time. If it isn't faithful, it's not good.
Which is why I only play Minecraft with ONE other texture pack. "Faithful 32x"
I actually appreciate that HD Quake texture pack called Quake Revitalization Project. They were all redrawn faithfully. There is another HD texture pack, but it feels more like a bootleg Quake.
I still prefer the classic look for Quake though...
Nobody created faithful monster skins, which makes things clash. That's one reason why I stick with classic. The other being Arcane Dimensions.
Speaking of which, what if we got something like Arcane Dimensions for Dusk?
sharp trail
awww fairhful 32x is awesome
some of the high resolution packs do look good tho if they are styalized
gritty forge
Agreed. But I see why others like them.
in fact my weak laptop
@honest stag No worries, my pack isn't going for resolutions higher than 1024x1024. Dusk doesn't have Normal Map support or anything. I don't want to go extremely high resolution mainly because the availability of Nearest Neighbor filtering keeping things sharp. Most textures will be 512x512, as that's high enough.
Just thought I'd mention that.
honest stag
yo zombie, is func_door_rotating going to be uh
easier to use anytime soon?
golden jacinth
So, I've been in the weeds doing texturing/detailing and suddenly the enemies in one of the rooms are spawning waaay out of position. I know I didn't introduce any leaks into the map and I tried undoing all of my structural edits to no avail.
V confused : /
gritty forge
Playing in the Cathedral survival map leaves me in a softlock after the tornado comes.
honest stag
maybe there isnt enough space for it? what's the enemy?
golden jacinth
Just soldiers. Big room, too.
honest stag
try moving it a bit off the ground
crisp raven
Perhaps it has to do with the latest update?
honest stag
looks to me like they are way too close to each other
golden jacinth
I can definitely spread them out but they'd been spawning in that formation just fine for days of playtests now
honest stag
huh odd
golden jacinth
Even earlier today after I got the update
golden jacinth
I'm not certain how to do that 😅
honest stag
first, get a .pts file from your working folder
in trenchbroom, press "file"
then "load point file"
it should show with green lines places that leak
the .pts should have the name of your map obviously
golden jacinth
I don't appear to have a .pts file
honest stag
then that probably means you dont have leaks
huh i have no clue
what if you get them in via a monster closet?
golden jacinth
That seems like a lot more work than having them just already be where I want them... I'm gonna try ditching the quake conversions and renaming them as dusk entities. I don't think it'll change anything but at this point idk.
Knew I should've done version control on this project : p
Yeah that didn't do it. I might just have to load a backup and redo some work
golden jacinth
rip a couple hours of texturing I guess
honest stag
that seems like a lot of loss for just a group of enemies
you sure a monster closet wouldnt be easier?
that will take like 10 minutes
golden jacinth
It should go quick, and this way I can continually test the changes to see if I can find what specifically made it break
More info on what I did to break it will save me lots more time down the line if I can figure it out
honest stag
@ancient depot you got any idea on why this stuff with monsters spawning where they arent supposed to keeps happening with people at random points and different conditions without a way to consistently fix it?
Large enough rooms, enough space, no leaks, nothin helps
golden jacinth
I think my boneball/monk AI is still borked even after putting the new .dll in too :/
crisp raven
While we're on the subject of things messing up for no reason:
Ever encounter something like this before?
honest stag
is there supposed to be a brush there?
honest stag
can you show it to me with properties in TB?
crisp raven
Im not sure what that means >.>
honest stag
well click on the brush and then the "entity" tab, then screenshot it
honest stag
it looks to me like the compiler tries to remove the face that's sticking into the void because it thinks the player will never see it since the map is sealed
try making sure that front face isnt peeking into the void
crisp raven
Yeah it works 👍
honest stag
eyyy nice
crisp raven
I was thinking of organizing a map jam at the end of November. Thoughts?
honest stag
we actually wanted one but devs said itll be better to do things like that when the sdk is more finished
well oshry and david said at least
gritty forge
I was thinking of organizing a map jam at the end of November. Thoughts?
christmas map jam would be fucking awesome
honest stag
honestly yeah christmas maps would be sick
gritty forge
😔
honest stag
well no one is really stopping you from getting somke people who are interested
tbh that thing they said was waaaaaaaay back in febuary when the sdk was way less uh
finished
last talon
I'm gonna attend with a map that is all giant pp's
alpine depot
if it's a christmas jam then i'm definitely making big john into santa
"HO HO HO, WAAAULLGH"
gritty forge
i'll make a shitty doom e1m1 copy
honest stag
i wouldnt mind getting into that jam, could help to have a deadline to make something
last talon
with blackjack and hookers
gritty forge
i tried to make that a long time ago but i realized i have no idea how to make a map lmao
honest stag
"goes back to work on a very old map that has potential, 50 minutes later -"
welp i guess it's staying in the "unfinished" folder
crisp raven
RIP silent7
honest stag
that's actually a test name and has nothing to do with the map itself lol
the map is only 45% finished but weighs almost the same as shadow of strelok
no wonder it crashes
high magnet
Do the skybox textures need to be a certain resolution?
high magnet
Doesn't seem like it
alpine depot
nah they dont
high magnet
Alright
alpine depot
they'll get stretched out at lower resolutions though, go figure
high magnet
I'm not making any promises but expect some Half Life 2 citadel esque skybox for my next map
Also like the lust layer in UltraKill
high magnet
Arenas that are designed like the ones in UK work pretty damn well with dusk's combat
broken ridge
are transparent textures in half-life or Q3 maps supported with the current SDK?
high magnet
Yup
broken ridge
ok thx. I must've fscked converting something then.
high magnet
The methods to making them transparent might be different
broken ridge
by chance is it possible in a Q1 map as well?
broken ridge
got, I'll check that out. is it still a specific color in the palette to indicate a transparent pixel?
huhh trenchbroom's rendering it as transparent but neither quake nor dusk do
broken ridge
ah, func_illusionary vs func_detail_illusionary
eah, still no go with the classname change
high magnet
What are you trying to do with func_illusionary?
broken ridge
basically create a non-clipping 1-pixel transparent "archway"
high magnet
Can you show me?
broken ridge
1sec, I'll screenshot it
high magnet
I don't think you have permissions to post images right now, maybe you can dm it to me
broken ridge
ah, that explains why paste is failing me, 1sec
ancient depot
@honest stag That happens because of the navmesh
It's something I'm looking at in more detail for later
gaunt wing
Sorry I gotta ask, feeling kinda stupid but I don´t quiet understand the tutorial for modding DUSK. I have Trenchboom installed and I understand downloading the SDK version through steam but do i need quake to mod it?
sharp trail
no
ancient depot
It wouldn't be a very good SDK if you needed another game to use it
gaunt wing
Then i really must be misreading something.
ancient depot
The tools used for making maps are usually for Quake, but you don't need Quake to use them for Dusk
Which tutorial are you reading?
gaunt wing
The "Creating mods" section in dusk.mod.io
ancient depot
Is there a particular section you're confused about?
gaunt wing
The Two minute Trenchboom tutorial on the page, where it seems like they start a project for Quake but then they sorta make it into Dusk?
ancient depot
Yeah, those are just editor presets
It's called Quake, but the map that will output from it is compatible with Dusk
gaunt wing
Ah okay. But when i choose a game to mod for in Trenchboom, do i just reference the DUSK folder?
ancient depot
Yeah, like in the tutorial
Specifically you'll want to reference the SDK/mnt/local/dusk folder
Which is the equivalent of the id1 folder in Quake
gaunt wing
Aaaaah. Now i get it, thanks alot man! 
ancient depot
No problem
Documentation is definitely an area we need to improve on
You're not the first to get confused
gaunt wing
Well, the game is very fresh so there´s plenty of time to expand on it, having a discord where people can ask questions like this certainly helps!
long anchor
Hey @ancient depot . Sorry for the ping.
For some reason makewad won't turn this quake's transparent color into the actual transparency (pic).
file format?
ancient depot
Is it definitely using the last palette entry for that colour?
long anchor
yep
ancient depot
And the file name is set up for transparency?
long anchor
oh my god
high magnet
JC
long anchor
i'm such an idiot
high magnet
A bomb
long anchor
sorry zomb
ancient depot
oh also hotfix is out
long anchor
oh nice
ancient depot
for the ai and dark object fix
long anchor
anyway thanks zom
ancient depot
np
long anchor
yeah it's working now
tight fractal
Ok zoombier
frank mantle
zomber but the omb is like in tomb
ancient depot
It should
high magnet
Looks like pixelated oatmeal right now but been experimenting with the skyboxes
high magnet
My idea is some sort of 9000 feet tall cathedral
tight fractal
Dope
worn umbra
oh shit that looks sick
crimson patrol
damn thats a cool idea
crisp raven
I've set up a server for a Map Jam I am organizing. If you're interested in participating let me know. 👍
high magnet
Sign me up
worn umbra
oh hell yeah
alpine depot
god i cant believe how fast the game loads now
this is insane
yo i wonder if we could get a launch command to load immediately into a custom level, like -loadmap mapname as soon as the menu loads or something
...are turrets supposed to bleed when shot and spaz out whenever they rotate towards the player?
i dont think so 🤔
anyone got an idea how to make the lighting pop a little more? dunno what colors to add besides deep reds and oranges
maybe some blues in the dark areas for some added contrast or something
little stumped lol
ancient depot
yo i wonder if we could get a launch command to load immediately into a custom level, like -loadmap mapname as soon as the menu loads or something
That's been on the list for a while
It's part of a planned set of editor integration features, like live reloads and stuff
alpine depot
sick
alpine depot
oh god my levels are lagging even harder now after today's small hotfix
maybe just on my end?
crimson patrol
Probs
alpine depot
oh yeah nevermind
weird
i loaded up my latest map, left it on pause for a while, then decided to play my other maps again cuz i was bored
and then the AI stopped working and the game was lagging hard
i restart and it works fine
weiiiird
oh yeah and enemies were t-posing too
super strange
ancient depot
crimson patrol
cobalt atlas
hmmb
modest imp
oh my god
ocean apex
Oh no
crisp raven
Just a reminder people, the submission window for the Dusk Map Jam ends on November 6th. If you want to join please DM me before then and I will invite you. Everybody's welcome. :)
honest stag
yeas
jagged halo
what does that mean
honest stag
a bunch of people get together and make a map with a set theme in a set time period, then release all of them
jagged halo
oh sweet
burnt haven
Does anyone think is possible to make a UPS mod?
worn umbra
like the delivery service???
burnt haven
Units per second mod lol. The Delivery service is also acceptable
burnt haven
Hmm, I've never seen one anywhere in the speedrun community
burnt haven
Cool, I'll do some digging.
warm nacelle
this may be a dumb question but where do you get custom dusk levels?
are they shared around online, is there a steam workshop Im not seeing or is there something in game Im not seeing
worn umbra
warm nacelle
alrighty, thanks
toxic cosmos
I need some tips
how do you make it so doors open when you press e on them ?
and not like in quake when you just run up to them
@here
worn umbra
a normal func_door should work just fine?
toxic cosmos
ima try that
high plume
is there any way to access dusk's official maps and make modded versions of them?
ancient depot
Not at the moment
high plume
ah I see
long anchor
so, there was a certain halloween art event, and i participated in it.
can't do art for shit, so i opened tb and made this.
https://youtu.be/zLJSt1Oq2io
it's not like
really related to dusk maping
cause it's just a vid
but why not
honest stag
still looks sick
honest stag
np bro
you could turn that into a map yo
long anchor
i need a bit more stuff to make madness combat maps
at least custom gun models
actually i wanted to start madness combat mod when scripting is a thing
i have some really cool ideas
this thing ^ proved that with a bit more polish such mod would look great
like, in MC animation these building are just concrete boxes
honest stag
well i guess we'll both figure out the big modding stuff with your MC and my SH mods
man i cant wait
honest stag
tbh same
wooden pier
You'd be friends with Rhoq.
long anchor
literally who
wooden pier
Haven't seen him posting his maps on Twitter, but he's a big fan of brutalism: https://twitter.com/Rhoq7
Twitter
long anchor
oh alright
toxic cosmos
how do you get texture overlays like text and the cult symbol painted on the wall ?
I need some help
frank mantle
the power of z-fighting (not serious answer)
worn umbra
oh do you have the transparent wad?
chrome wagon
Probably a silly question to ask, but is there any page where there are screenshots of the sp/mp maps seen in a top down perspective, akin to cs's overview?
toxic cosmos
@worn umbra I do and the transparent textures work, but I just dont know how to make a transparent texture be on top of a regular texture (like decals in the hammer editor)
worn umbra
what i do is make another brush on top of the one i want the decal on, make that brush as thin as possible, then set its texture to the decal
there might be a better way but that works well enough for me
toxic cosmos
thank you
Im making my first map in trenchbroom and Im realy glad that so many people are willing to give helpful advice
worn umbra
looking forward to seeing it :)
golden jacinth
Did that hotfix get rolled out? my boneballs and monks are still borked
alpine depot
yeah the AI is fixed a little, but when you shoot balls/monks they fly off as if they dont have any drag or gravity
they dont even move lol
idk about bone balls but i think they just spin around, not move
golden jacinth
yeah they're completely static. The last encounter of my map involves both and I'd feel kinda weird releasing it with hecked up enemies.
high plume
Does anyone know what to do when your compiler tells you there's no player spawn, even though you put one in
still raptor
hmm
did you maybe rename it or something?
and @golden jacinth we'll have to take a look
high plume
No, that's the strange part
high plume
I just started a new map and now it's fine
Altho I can't for the life of me make lights work
crimson patrol
You used light.exe?
high plume
Yeah
crimson patrol
In that case there may be something wrong with a file name
Check if there are spaces in a file name or some shit
high plume
interesting
crimson patrol
Did it produce a text document when you tried to use light.exe
high plume
It didn't appear to
crimson patrol
You run it through qbsp first
high plume
oh
crimson patrol
Ooh boy
Theres a series of videos helping with trenchbroom
You should search for em, real helpful
high plume
I shall, thank you
golden jacinth
I'm done with the first texturing pass! If anyone would like to play through the level and give some feedback lmk and I'll send ya the zip
alpine depot
late response but im down for some playtesting 😎
they dont call me Gamer God for nothing you know
crisp raven
I'm looking for playtesters as well. Hit me up and I'll send it to ya. 💗
alpine depot
big pog
send me all of your maps, all of you. this is an order not a request.
honest stag
same, send it out to me and i'll play and record them when i have the time
alpine depot
THEY DONT CALL ME TRENCHBROOM GOD FOR NOTHING YA KNOW.
frank mantle
ww2 shomtguhn
crisp raven
Just sending out a final reminder that anyone who wants to join the upcoming Map Jam should let me know before the 6th.
gritty forge
lets goooooo
royal furnace
How hard would it be to learn gold source mapping overnight with no prior knowledge or experience
gritty forge
let's see...
first you'll have to GET the tools
then you'll have to learn how to USE the tools, which will take hours
then you'll have to make the architecture and a map to go with it
keep in mind that maps arent tiny
then you'll have to start detailing
so, it'll be hard
you'll also have to keep in mind that you're working in full 3d, which has a bunch of things you can do with except it takes longer
modest imp
You make it sound like the first thing you're supposed to do when starting out is make an entire, fully functional map. :v
gritty forge
longer longer
You make it sound like the first thing you're supposed to do when starting out is make an entire, fully functional map. :v
yeah u right
start out small
modest imp
My advice: don't focus on making something. Just make anything. You're constructing something out of what are essentially building blocks.
Learn the limitations of GoldSrc--what's required to make a functional map, even if it's just a single concrete cube you can walk around in.
royal furnace
Play with the legos in the bucket got it
modest imp
Then expand upon that simple start.
gritty forge
accurate
alpine depot
legos???? i love legos!
modest imp
Start at the bare minimum, and try things as they come to you. Experiment, and have fun. 😁
crisp raven
Remeber the Jam isn't a competition. Just do the best you can do!
royal furnace
Even if the best I can do is 3 cubes I wanna learn
eternal plank
that's alright, we all need to begin somewhere
royal furnace
I've kinda wanted to try dusk mapping so I this is a nice push
modest imp
You'll want six cubes, actually. :P
royal furnace
But what if I want the player to experience the void
modest imp
One thing to always keep in mind: never open your map to the void. It must be sealed at all times, or it can never exist.
The void consumes and destroys all exposed to it.
alpine depot
allow the void to CONSUME
lol a map designed intentionally for leaks would be crazy to make
eternal plank
the lilith.pk3 of DUSK
modest imp
Don't most compilers just totally give up if they detect a leak? :V
eternal plank
think they do
royal furnace
Guys Its an artistic choice im not a bad mapper i swear
eternal plank
i know the tools for quake maps just gives up
crisp raven
90% of my maps have leaks >.> they work finnneeee
modest imp
bold orbit
So if I'm understanding this, you need to start and finish the map during the course of the jam
sharp trail
i mean you can probably jsut submit a map you've already been working on. Idk if theres a theme tho because if yes it might not work just ask tori
honest stag
there will be a prompt yes
odd ore
@ancient depot I have been informed you're quite informed for this sort of issue.
I'm running into a problematic bug on the SDK version of Dusk, the whole screen flickers black for a frame every few seconds, it occurs is custom or normal campaign.
this does not happen in normal singleplayer version of dusk (separate option on launch)
honest stag
yeah mr. person-who-made-the-sdk is quite informed
ancient depot
What if you run the game with -force-d3d11 in the game's launch options?
The game uses OpenGL 4.x currently
But I think standard DUSK uses D3D11, not certain though
odd ore
Forgive me for I did not research your role occupation thoroughly enough, it seems to have worked thank you
ancient depot
I guess Unity just don't test their implementations of Vulkan and OpenGL very well on Windows
royal furnace
Well I've caught a cold so I might just postpone that whole learning gold source mapping in one day thing
F
broken ridge
are all func_detail_illusionary entities supposed to be passed through?
crisp raven
Idk know about func_detail_illusionary but just func_illusionary yes
ancient depot
func_detail_illusionary is just an alias for func_illusionary in dusk
included purely for source map compat
broken ridge
would it be a bug that it clips in dusk (it doesn't in quakespasm)
ancient depot
If it clips then yes, that's a bug
broken ridge
ok, thanks. is there an issue tracker you want me to file one in?
ancient depot
You can just make a thread on the forums where you mention that func_detail_illusionary is solid when it shouldn't be
broken ridge
alrightty
ancient depot
We don't have a formal issue tracker currently, so we use the forums at the moment
broken ridge
the forums on steam or is there another one?
ancient depot
The Steam forums, yeah
On that note, does it work if you use func_illusionary instead of func_detail_illusionary?
crimson patrol
How did Manniacc use the guardian bossfight in shadow of strelok? I thought you could only have big john as a boss
ancient depot
@unique ocean Try adding -force-d3d11 to the game's launch options on Steam
@crimson patrol You can use all bosses except the final one
ancient depot
ninja'd you
honest stag
h
unique ocean
Doesn't seem to work
sacred bolt
hey people, do you know any comprehensive tutorial for making dusk maps
im not a tech guy so if you have anything simple to understand ill thank u
honest stag
dumptruck_ds on youtube
his tutorials are for quake but we're making pretty much quake mas with some quirks that dusk uses
honest stag
no wonder considering people dont use other bosses
except for a couple maps with the guardian
oh and trespasser with the experiment
long anchor
imo bosses aren't that fun, like, they are basically enemy X but bigger and shoot more
besides Jakob and Nyarla i guess
honest stag
i agree, bosses are unpog unless it's a very cool thematical boss
long anchor
again, just i said before
i have a few ideas but we need scripting
btw that's the reason why boss battle in Lower is going to be a bit more than just shoot "Lower_boss_name"
at least if i ever making start lower 3
honest stag
Why not map jam with everyone
sacred bolt
dumptruck_ds on youtube
his tutorials are for quake but we're making pretty much quake mas with some quirks that dusk uses
@honest stag is it with the same program he uses? But then i dont get how to use the dusk assets
honest stag
yes
and you do get dusk assets by simply naming entites to things from dusk, the list of names can be found in pinned messages in entities.txt
so like you place a point entity, name it weapon_pistol and a pistol shows up when you launch your map in dusk
long anchor
Why not map jam with everyone
i don't know if i'll have time
i'm studying u know
argh fuckit, i will jam
i have enough time, just gotta stop wasting it
honest stag
No remote education?
honest stag
I feel ya mang
long anchor
brain explosion
honest stag
For me remote education meant significantly more free time somehow so you bet I'll spend that time mapping
Having a deadline is nice
long anchor
haha trespasser goes brrrrrr
that was great
i wish i had that uv thing that you provided for bikini maiden
honest stag
Yeah it was fast and good so im confident bout the stuff
I mean it's probably still there deep in the secret society server
long anchor
are we going to slap beer books propaganda somewhere as easter egg?
I totally will
honest stag
I totally will
Great minds think alike
I still have the wad with the texture somewhere
long anchor
we're bit more than secret society hehe
I still have the wad with the texture somewhere
is it new one tho
honest stag
Funny how it calls to join but no one has actually ever been accepted since the beginning
Nor is anyone going to i think
long anchor
yeah and the fact that he just poofed out of existence?
i really hope he's just taking a break from internet or something
honest stag
Maybe he forgot his discord password or smth
long anchor
2020's burning alright
Maybe he forgot his discord password or smth
he could have created a new one
honest stag
Guess so
long anchor
or maybe answer that message on moddb
honest stag
Was he ever active again there?
honest stag
bruh damn
long anchor
again, hope dude's okay
honest stag
He'd blow us all out of the water if kept mapping
The dude made a huge detailed map so early on
long anchor
last activity here is in january holy s-
btw i think you included him in iceberg right?
long anchor
damn i love this iceberg
yeah
maybe we should actually try to figure out what happened
honest stag
Maybe
He's probably just inactive or something
long anchor
What map did he make
@crimson patrol https://www.moddb.com/games/dusk/addons/dusktestlevel
odd ore
New to Dusk mapping,
What are the dusk equivalents of nodraw/skip/trigger textures? (e.g. textures that cause brushes to no be drawn or various forms of collision)
bold orbit
Would any of you believe me if I said that I was mashedpotato
I'm not
But would you think I was for a split second
broken ridge
@ancient depot func_illusionary does work, though I'll see if it messes with transparency later tonight
ancient depot
@unique ocean Do you see the fake dos intro or is it just black immediately?
do you hear any audio?
unique ocean
Immediate black screen
ancient depot
also what are your system specs
unique ocean
one sec
@ancient depot
Geforce RTX 2060
Intel9R) Core9TM) i7-9700F @ 3.00 GHz
16 GB Ram
ancient depot
so -force-d3d11 didn't help?
unique ocean
No
ancient depot
what about -force-vulkan
ancient depot
That's... really strange
ancient depot
What was it?
unique ocean
For some reason my mod folder was causing it not to launch
ancient depot
oh interesting
unique ocean
So I copied the files from the dusk folder in mnt to the mod and it worked
ancient depot
in that case, can you break it again and get a log file?
ancient depot
use -logFile output.log in launch options
that file should then appear in SDK/bin/win_x64
That should help me diagnose what actually went wrong
ancient depot
Oh well, if it was the mod folder then there's only a few potential causes anyway
I'll investigate
long anchor
maybe that was one of these description files?
ancient depot
most likely
half dust
My map has no textures in game. What am I doing wrong here. 
unique ocean
My compiler says the syntax of the command is incorrect
Wait did the method of coloring lights change in trenchbroom?
half dust
Yeah, checkerboards
ancient depot
Then you're missing either wad files or palette.lmp
Check the pins in this channel for the latter, put it in mnt/local/dusk
unique ocean
My lights no longer load in color
Was the value in trenchbrrom changed from _color to something else?
ancient depot
Make sure you have a .lit file accompanying your .bsp
Without that, your lights won't have colour
unique ocean
how do I generate that?
ancient depot
The LIGHT tool should do it for you
unique ocean
"The syntax of the command is incorrect."
ancient depot
Can you show your TrenchBroom tool settings?
Also which BSP tools are you using? ericw's tools?
ancient depot
yeah
gritty forge
Is there any way to change crosshair only on one weapon?
west coral
Is there anyway to circumvent not having quake on steam to make mods?
honest stag
you dont need quake
west coral
I've tried loading it off of the SDK location in the Dusk files
I'm going to guess I'm using the wrong directory
honest stag
why do you load it up tho
west coral
I mean that I changed the quake directory in trench to the location of the SDK in Dusk's files
honest stag
we need to have a specific folder/file that has a specific quake file in order to properly load up textures in-editor