well, it's already doable now
#dusk-modding
ancient depot
I don't think it works for UDMF maps though, only regular doom format (maybe boom format?)
gritty forge
or, the greatest idea ever, Dusk maps and enemies, and Russian Overkill or Treasure Tech weapons
eternal plank
Does Quake even have boom functions?
gritty forge
I don't know
eternal plank
outside of the obvious ones like room over room
ancient depot
You mean equivalent functionality?
eternal plank
Basically yeah
gritty forge
But I want DuskLand
ancient depot
room over room is more of an engine feature moreso than a map format feature
it's just a linedef action
gritty forge
because treasure tech is just Warioland with guns
ancient depot
but anyway, I don't think there's a 1:1 mapping, but you can get something close enough
gritty forge
And also, since DuskDude is apparently a treasure hunter
we can now call him WarioDude
and how is Dave doing, Zombie?
ancient depot
That's a question for Dave himself lmao
honest stag
Ominous
alpine depot
big john is overrated we need small john >:(
honest stag
*hey can i have weapons models"
"Not yet"
"And how is dave doing, zombie?...
We wouldn't want anything happening to him do we"
gritty forge
we had an army of them in Amid Evil
@ancient depot can you at least get in contact with the big man?
honest stag
monkaS
ancient depot
It is physically, mentally and spiritually impossible for me to contact my employer
gritty forge
What, is Dave the Gman?
ancient depot
gritty forge
Rise and shine, duskdude, rise and shine
Okay, Ill message the boss man, and we will know for sure
@El Oshcuro Are you the Gman?
honest stag
Dude lol
gritty forge
Im going 1 step down the ladder
honest stag
I don't want to be that guy but you sure you wanna ping all the big boys like that
gritty forge
Yes
eternal plank
lol.
gritty forge
Cause if I was a bad demoman. I wouldn't be sitting here, talking to you
I want my name shouted from the heavens if I get banned, and may all the Ea executives cry.
honest stag
h
eternal plank
H
gritty forge
Good job
Ok, who is ready for our answer
@iron needle We really need to know, is Dave Oshry the Gman?
iron needle
Yes
eternal plank
David has said DUSK isn't getting anything new for the time
gritty forge
Ok
eternal plank
He wants to take a break for a while
gritty forge
That's fine
We finnaly got our answer
Dave Oshry is the Gman
May this fact be shouted from the rooftops
We are victorious
@frozen scarab Dave Oshry is the Gman, so do you think he can beat John Carmack?
gritty forge
Yes, I want to know
It is a question that needs to be answered
And I am riding a high that I can never go down from
Okay, my high is over
long anchor
It is physically, mentally and spiritually impossible for me to contact my employer
wait, really?
sounds kinda sad ngl
honest stag
that uh sounds like sarcasm my man
sharp trail
He pinged devs and asked them stupid questions. Funniest shit i've ever seen
1 week from now he'll realise how rude and cringe he was.
long anchor
that uh sounds like sarcasm my man
I don't know what to believe anymore my dude
life is confusing
high magnet
Imagine not being able to detect sarcasm through text
high magnet
Yeah imagine that
gritty forge
@sharp trail I think New Blood just loves interacting with fans, even if it is about if Dave is the Gman
sharp trail
@gritty forge they definetelly do. But you can still let people mind their own business. It's just rude even if it's a small ping. If you don't have a valid reason to @ them then don't
honest stag
i mean the standard for a valid reason might be lower than usual compared to other stuff but still
aint really nice
long anchor
Veven make a map about it
ImAgInE nOt BeInG aBlE tO dEtEcT saRcAsM thRoUgH tExT
sounds like cool mod idea actually
golden jacinth
Anyone else plan on participating in Blocktober w/ dusk levels?
gritty forge
Can someone help me with getting Quake mps into Dusk?
eternal plank
Well they run the same format
Think you would just need to drop the map into a folder in the SDK
gritty forge
Can someone link a video? I haven't found any video guides
eternal plank
HOW DO I LOAD MAPS? Go into the DUSK game folder (SteamApps/common/Dusk) and find the SDK/mnt/local folder. Inside this folder, create a new folder for your mod (for example: halflife_maps) Then inside that folder, create a new folder called maps. Put all of your BSPs in here. Once you enable your mod in the modding menu, they will be accessible from Campaign -> Custom Level Quake-format maps will require palette.lmp inside the mod folder (halflife_maps in the previous example)
from the readme in the SDK folder
honest stag
no
eternal plank
Well to load it no
gritty forge
Ok
honest stag
congrats on rathood
gritty forge
Thanks, I don't know what that means
eternal plank
Rat rank
gritty forge
How do I get Champion?
eternal plank
Just be active for a long time
gritty forge
Ok
honest stag
very long time
eternal plank
i mean i got it in like a month and a half but i'm a turbo loser so lmao
gritty forge
What files do I need to get from Quake
eternal plank
just the palette
gritty forge
Where
honest stag
wait quake doesnt have the pallete file itself right?
it's packed inside of the .pak files
1 moment
i'll drop it here
honest stag
oh yeah right
eternal plank
gritty forge
Where are the maps
eternal plank
the quake maps are in the id1 folder
honest stag
oops lol
well you can just find all the bsps online or get yourself a thing that unpacks thole files
gritty forge
Seriously
eternal plank
Hey, blame ID, they're the ones that decided on it
gritty forge
Can't they program a file to unpack the .PAK files?
eternal plank
ID have no need for that, they didn't see anyone unpacking the Quake map files
gritty forge
In Dusk
eternal plank
Because nothing in DUSK uses .paks
eternal plank
It's really more of a niche tool you can find with a quick 5 second google search
crimson patrol
Dont ping devs unless there's a conversation
crimson patrol
Devs and admins do interact, but pinging to bait out a conversation is annoying
sharp trail
Ok john
crimson patrol
I agree
small gate
Devs and admins do interact, but pinging to bait out a conversation is annoying
not only annoying, but also a bit rude
solemn hound
Also it kinda screams of parasocial relationships and attention seeking
Its one thing to "wanna" be friends with like someone you follow online and its another thing to like, try and force it or to already interpret things as being friends with them
crimson patrol
Yeah this is a channel about mods
sharp trail
anyways i just noticed that dusk sdk and duskworld interpret sensitivity differently. In dw i play with 0.16 sens and it feels normal. If i put it to the same number in the sdk it feels significantly slower. i also feel like the movement speeds have changed . @still raptor is this what you meant when you said that the game would feel significantly different even tho no numbers would change
tame eagle
Did something wack
Figured out J.A.C.K. works with Dusk thanks to the Half-Life mapping support
All I really need to do now is convert Dusk's textures into a WAD
FGD is optional, since I can still manually place in objects, but it would be nice for me to make at some point
gritty forge
All I really need to do now is convert Dusk's textures into a WAD
@tame eagle isnt there already a wad with the textures that you need for trenchbroom
golden jacinth
https://twitter.com/_HoneyCMB/status/1312512976281243648?s=20
Still truckin' along on the map. Took a break to work on something else but I'm getting back to it.
honest stag
looks sick
alpine depot
yooooo
golden jacinth
โค๏ธ
gritty forge
Hey
crimson patrol
Nice
high magnet
Yeah
It's supposed to be a Pripyat esque town in Ukraine called "Strelok"
Power plant and everything
sharp trail
@high magnet if you strafehup you could probably skip most portions of the level
unless the exit is underground
high magnet
The exit is behind a color locked door
sharp trail
nice
other than that the map looks prette cool
Like a mini open world. I love it when people do that
sharp trail
you could jump over the tree texture
high magnet
Yeah I put teleport brushes there so it takes you back if you do
A bit like Doom Eternal
sharp trail
aaaah
thats nice
good to know those are a thing
im a bit afraid of making jump maps because the speeds are different from dw
gritty forge
Thats good
gritty forge
@ancient depot When will Workshop support be added?
ancient depot
When it's ready
gritty forge
ok
I hope they get added soon,since I want to have dual revolvers, or a Doom style shotgun
literally, the doom shotgun
or even a gauss cannon
tame eagle
@gritty forge Do you know where I could find that in the SDK files?
gritty forge
find what?
tame eagle
Sorry, the WAD for Dusk's textures
gritty forge
it's in the channel pins i think
tame eagle
Mmm ty
tame eagle
Lemme check
Hm, it works, but all the textures are incorrect
They seem to be like a different form of the textures
They're all black and white
Lemme just make my own and see how that works out
Wait it might be a palette issue
eternal plank
All the textures are in loose files in the \Steam\steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\dusk\textures directory
bold orbit
AAaahhh, another JACK user!
gritty forge
whats JACK
bold orbit
the superior brushwork design tool
ancient depot
It's basically a third party recreation + extension of hammer
tame eagle
^
@bold orbit I'm using JACK for Dusk because I'm a stubborn bitch and I have a bit of a background in Half-Life mapping lol
bold orbit
B R O T H E R
alpine depot
Trenchbroom gang wya
eternal plank
Man i really gotta go back to trying to make a map
tame eagle
My goal is to make a hell maze
Using the episode 1 assets
E1M2's (I think it was) corn maze inspired this
eternal plank
Yeah E1M2
tame eagle
I do like that
honest stag
it was borked for me
crimson patrol
Does using teleporters work? Or is that dead too
granite jackal
Dusk mapmaking's still on my mind, but I haven't touched it in... at least 6 months? Just waiting for all the kinks to get ironed out. Because I have some crazy mapmaking ideas, and they hinge on more stable tools.
crimson patrol
What maps did u make?
granite jackal
Released? None. Made and then abandoned about 20% of the way through? This one map that had stealth.
granite jackal
I use Trenchbroom too
crimson patrol
Most people do, but there is the occasional J.A.C.K heretic
granite jackal
The killer for me was the textual decals not being transparent. I was splicing the textures together to create hints like, "DON'T SHOOT"
granite jackal
Another cool idea I had was to play a bullet-deflecting SuperHot going down a hallway, blocking bullets with a bar of soap
honest stag
They are transparent now you use the right dusk wad or make your own
If i got you right
high magnet
Yeah you can find the wad with the transparent textures
granite jackal
Oh I've been watching only the Steam news, the last thing NB said anything about Dusk's SDK was back in March 21st about custom music
high magnet
crimson patrol
Here have a bone instead ๐ฆด
high magnet
granite jackal
tosses a precious diamond instead
crimson patrol
Have free soap 
sharp trail
Duskworld ????
high magnet
Duskworld
tall zenith
patience is a virtue
sharp trail
yes. People should be thankful for the work The sdk devs are doing.
honest stag
ey, never said i wasnt thankful
i got zombie's pfp above my laptop praying to it every day for an update
this sdk is the first thing ever to make me actually mod something for real and im forever thankful for that
long anchor
same for me ^^^
well i tried modding hl1
but using hammer felt like i was using real hammer to nail something but i missed all the time and i hammered my fingers
so i abandoned it
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
gritty forge
The update was supposed to come out at the end of September.
I hate sounding impatient, but that's two things I am waiting for that are overdue.
The other thing being a payment. I have a bad feeling that guy got the virus and died.
honest stag
the update will come out when it's ready
i see no need to rush free content
crimson patrol
Yeah tru
gritty forge
I am not rushing it.
crimson patrol
He may have hit some roadblock after giving us the release date
gritty forge
I am just getting a little sick of waiting. I am not the most patient of people.
It wasn't even going to be a big update.
honest stag
I've been waiting for the sdk for 2 years
We can wait like 3-4 months for an update
Just do somethin else mang
Hell make a map - those work almost to the full potential
honest stag
ALMOST aqua
alpine depot
automatic map generator when >:(
honest stag
I must admit im kinda forgetting my blender skills but i can still make stuff
Really hyped for the big boy gun model update whenever that drops
OH FUCK ITS OCTOBER ALREADY
man time flies
formal obsidian
The mantine files
gritty forge
golden cosmos
Read that as electrical penis
gritty forge
Here is another attempt.
regal dome
I much prefer the first one
gritty forge
It's like magic!
gritty forge
Upscaled.
Look how nice and smooth it is now! It is already 512x512, it just needed smoothing.
Look at that fur.
Got a question. You guys think this could be a cool effect? Considering they're magical?
I already am not going to do it, but would if people want it.
I just decided to make it a little bit brighter. And look at that detail on the robe.
I just want the invisible cart dog fixed so I can test the texture. That and the polar opposite problem with the Wendigo. That was literally all I was waiting for AT THE MOMENT. Don't know why they think that would take too much time.
tepid python
Be patient and Zombie will reward us weaklings with SDK updates and a smile
gritty forge
But I CAN wait for new features... But bugfixes should not be ignored.
gritty forge
Who said they were easy?
alpine depot
all im trying to say is just keep being patient
gritty forge
I already made it clear that I am not patient... Which is why I am a failure at life.
In case you don't know; that texture is used for the crossbow.
Here is the final edited result.
It's a vast improvement over my previous attempt. The reason why this is taking so long is because I am waiting for better ESRGAN models to release.
gritty forge
Also because I am doing the textures 1-by-1 and not batch processed.
gritty forge
Wait, why did someone like the previous attempt?
royal spear
serene forge
what can we do right now? I've wanted to get into modding for dusk but havent really sat down to see what is possible or not? is it just custom textures and maps RN? any scripting etc?
vocal swan
Well you can change textures, make custom maps in Trenchbroom, I think you can also mess with the music a little.
Not too sure about anything else.
serene forge
great infographic thx
wait if it uses trenchbroom can i import bsps and stuff and use editors like JACK
tepid python
yes
serene forge
siiick
bold orbit
JACK is superior level editor
Just look at this half finished abomination
look at how user friendly this grid is
bold orbit
pathetic
crisp raven
JACK? More like WHACK
bold orbit
BLASPHEMY
last talon
I am a fan of that grid yes
solid isle
bold orbit
Praise grid
crimson patrol
Praise grid unless you used the rotate tool
In which case fuck you
I have had cases where I rotated a brush and couldn't line it up with the 0.125 grid
crimson patrol
True
vocal swan
Does JACK have vis-groups?
bold orbit
It did back when it had the sphere option as a creatable brush
It's probably still here in the latest version
somewhere
I don't use vis-groups so I haven't really thought to check :/
vocal swan
Ah...
bold orbit
here it is
vocal swan
Nice.
tame eagle
@bold orbit Question for you good man
Trying to use Dusk textures in JACK, got em all loaded, but they don't seem to want to compile when rendering out the BSP
Therefore the map doesn't work when I try to load into it
It worked fine with Half-Life textures though
This seems to be the problem
Load Textures:
Using Wadfile: D:\Steam\steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\kansas\maps\dusktestmap.wa_
Warning: Texture 'corn_wall': texture is not found in wad files.
Warning: Texture 'corn_wall_top': texture is not found in wad files.
Warning: Texture 'dirt': texture is not found in wad files.
Warning: Texture 'trees': texture is not found in wad files.
7 textures referenced
The placeholder Half-Life textures do not have the same issue, hence that they aren't referenced in the compiler in such a way
bold orbit
So here's my cheat for you
If you're compiling with HLBSP
When you click run
make sure you're in Advanced
have CSG set to -nowadtextures
Now, it will make the map file slightly bigger since it packs the textures in
but imo it beats having to use external wads
also make sure dusktestmap.wad exists in the directory
if you do end up using wads
and make sure you have the wad loaded into the game type you're using and that the textures are actually appearing in the preview
honest stag
JACK problems LOL. (Laughing out loud)
bold orbit
@honest stag You know it's better
honest stag
Jack fan
Vs
Trenchbroom enjoyer
honest stag
noice
crimson patrol
Yummy
burnt hornet
UT Deck 16 for Dusk
tulip estuary
What mod thingys do you use to mod dusk
cunning fulcrum
Well what do you mean?
If you want to just play other peoples maps and mods then you can go to moddb and find them there. If you want to make maps then you can use trenchbroom (a quake mapping tool) that makes maps that are compatable with dusks sdk
honest stag
dont forget to be in the SDK beta branch on steam to have the sdk version of dusk
cunning fulcrum
If you dont even know how to apply mods then i would recomend checking the pins
Ofc that too
crimson patrol
If u wanna start modding I suggest watching dunptruck ds' guides on trenchbroom.
honest stag
mapping*
crimson patrol
Yes mapping
crisp raven
If you want to just play other peoples maps and mods then you can go to moddb and find them there.
Also DuskMods.io. Moddb has a pretty small selection atm. ๐
alpine depot
duskmods.com has the most maps and mods
moddb is a bit barren and also an ANCIENT website
also all of my maps are on it :)))))
bold orbit
MODDB makes me sad
wooden pier
Everything I have created so far does not seem worthy of being on moddb to me
fierce lava
Something I did like a year ago learning how to Trenchbroom. Waiting for Endless support, also think it would make a fun multiplayer stage.
tepid python
Very colorful
Are there any solutions for color limitations with the palette/trenchbroom? I'd want to put some custom textures in my maps but they always turn out worse then what I want because of the colors
still raptor
fierce lava
Yup, the classic Block Fort
cunning fulcrum
i cant wait for the ability to play custom dw maps
let alone get some new modes to play
sharp trail
yea
endless maps would be dope 2
Im playing the farm on duskmare now because im so bored with the other maps
bold orbit
that looks like the secret level in mario 64 ds
sharp trail
aww man
thinking about doing picmip dusk with bright textures and stuff
that would be fun
kinda like this
i wish relex arena would go f2p
gritty forge
Someone helped me find the high quality version of the flying part of the Serious Sam Rocket Launcher!
I posted it here because it could be used for a mod.
pearl fox
Is the SDK something that you guys are currently able to work on or are there other things that have a higher priority rn? Like I remember that Zombie was quite involved with the Realms Deep preparations so that SDK dev was put on the back burner for a while.
gritty forge
they're workin on the sdk
gritty forge
They're working on the sadak
ancient depot
The sadako
honest stag
essdeekay
sharp trail
ass D k
gritty forge
honest stag
sdk more like
sit down, k?
crimson patrol
Sleep down kratoe
vague remnant
I'm morbidly curious, has anyone made a minigun for Dusk?
crimson patrol
Cant make weapons yet
hazy bone
Thatโs unfortunate
desert birch
sdk? more like SHUT DOWN ๐ฐ ORTNITE
worn umbra
SouperDuskKit
gritty forge
Why are you buying SDK at the soup store
sharp trail
@sacred flicker open trenchbroom. Open the face tab. Press "texture collections". press the pluss key and open a wad file using the file browser window
when you load it in just tick the box that sais "absoloute" no need to mess with that yet
sacred flicker
Where do i go from there?
I've added the wad, do I need to do anything with ''entity''?
crimson patrol
Not yet if you're making the architecture
But you can find weapons and monsters in there
honest stag
if you want entities specifically from dusk, head over to the pinnned messages and get "entities.txt'
that contains all the entity names that dusk maps can use, and to use it simply place any entity and rename it in the "entity" tab to anything from that list
sacred flicker
I cant see any of the Dusk textures, its just red squares
high magnet
You need to have the folder where quake is located in TB's preferences
honest stag
or follow this
"so firstly get palette.lmp from the pinned messages of this channel
then make a folder anywhere
inside of it, make a folder called id1, and inside of that - gfx
so it looks exactly like this - lmao/id1/gfx
and put the pallete file there
now go into trenchbroom, click View - Preferences, click on quake
and as the game path - select the lmao folder"
gritty forge
whats the best dusk mods?
honest stag
weapon souns reimagined is a must-have mod for me
sounds*
in terms of maps - any will do
ocean apex
Ikr to both of you
Oh btw, i have an issue with being unable to stream modded dusk via discord
Anyone has anything similar?
ocean apex
Modded dusk nets me a black screen
honest stag
Im a shill but play my map ( the only good one out of the ones i made) - trespasser
ocean apex
I think i was already eyeing it
honest stag
Ughhh i cant wait for the next update
I crave weapon model replacements, the ones i prepared are like 4 months ols by now
tepid python
play my maps
ocean apex
Names?
tepid python
Func_door_rotating, func_vehicle
ocean apex
Not a bad idea actually
tepid python
My maps are the best
alpine depot
play mine.
honest stag
I agree
ocean apex
Wanted to play dusk but the campaign is stilk too fresh in my mind
honest stag
The mapping seagulls are out of their cage again
alpine depot
ohhh hell new dusk map, just checked duskmods.com
void fortress, oooo
looks siiiick
https://dusk.mod.io/the-void-fortress playin rn lol
honest stag
Oh is it another map by the person who pumps them out like crazy? Dann
honest stag
They alone made a dozen at least
alpine depot
one of the four horsemen of the duskpocalypse lol
ocean apex
How hard it is to make a map in dusk?
On a scale of 0-10
0 being Crossbow hopping and 10 being killing someone with the mortar in MP
ocean apex
Huh
crisp raven
Damn I bet the person who made the Void Fortress has lots of sex
ocean apex
From what the Dev said in the stream it sounded like half of the profits of dusk are going towards high blood pressure treatment
But i think it was the editor he used
Btw, is it possible to make custom maps transition into other custom maps?
alpine depot
yup
ocean apex
So custom episodes are possible?
alpine depot
technically, but not like custom episodes you can select on the Campaign screen, just individual levels
yeah wow void fortress is cool, defo check it out
ocean apex
tried to play trought derailed in cero miedo
basically whenever i thought i was near the end the map still had a lot more than i expected
i will continue tomorrow since its late now but i have an issue, theres no map sounds
doors, switches, etc
honest stag
we cant add them sadly
ocean apex
oh
honest stag
so that's for later
ocean apex
also, restart keybind doenst work
honest stag
you can just quicksave btw
alpine depot
yeah cero miedo is really brutal with derailed, i had a hard time with it when i was playtesting
either i suck at blood dusk or i needed to really test the enemy arenas more lol
ocean apex
Oh thats something i noticed
I played it a lot like blood
Like, crouching a lot to make enemies fire over me
You are the map maker right?
alpine depot
yup!
it was my first foray into dusk modding and trenchbroom as a whole so it's a little rougher around the edges
ocean apex
I really liked it!
The enemy placement is excellent
That fight in the train car was awesome
alpine depot
yeah i had a lot of fun with the fights lol
ocean apex
In the first room with the two big boiler thingies
Theres like the 3 soldiers in a corner right?
In my first 2 passes there i couldn't even see where they came from
In like, a good way
alpine depot
ooooof
man i wish i could make enemies a lot more aggressive lol, soldiers need to be able to just magdump everything at the player
ocean apex
Go into a room, ambush
Its weird because in cero miedo they are very fast
So they zip across the map, then stop and gently fire 3 bullets
honest stag
just use a low health big john istead
alpine depot
lmao
honest stag
mag dump, big enemy, loud
alpine depot
every enemy is big john
alpine depot
small john, medium rare john, lightly broiled john, happy meal john
ocean apex
"yes"
alpine depot
im probs gonna remake derailed at some point when i have more levels of my Super Epic Cool And Rad Campaign done, i think the SDK is further along now that i can do a looot more with what i had originally planned for derailed
i can probably make the original elevator sequence i had in mind lol, was gonna be soooo rad
ocean apex
Also, maybe im just easily impressed but just the elevator itself was kinda mind blowing
Dusk does some crazy shit but i dont remember it moving the world like that
gritty forge
i gotta play this map
alpine depot
god my mind was blown when it worked, it's literally a DOOR lmao
honest stag
func_door can do anything
i remember using it to teleport enemies when trigger_teleport didnt work right
ocean apex
The tornado on blasphemy is a door
honest stag
i also made a vending machine with just doors
alpine depot
func_door's for the WIN
ocean apex
maybe doors really are the secret of dusk
quiet crown
Has someone made a TNT weapon yet
honest stag
cant add weapons
quiet crown
dammit
honest stag
literally just any brush that moves at a dictated speed/distance/delay when triggered, whether by the player using it or by other triggers like func_button, trigger_once and so on
crimson patrol
oh
honest stag
but the creative use for it is infinite
crimson patrol
so just moving brushes
honest stag
yeah pretty much
honest stag
trains, setpieces, elevators, huge gates with multiple moving parts and so on
it does work, i always use it
what's the issue?
crimson patrol
that time i tried to aggro an enemy with a trigger but it didnt work after i compiled
but thats old im sure theres some fix
honest stag
oh that's not a trigger issue
we cant aggro enemies like that yet pretty sure
honest stag
? like what
crimson patrol
like teleporting them infront of the player
sacred flicker
I've grasped the basics of making a map, but the lights no worky
crimson patrol
oh you need ericw tools for that
honest stag
lights dont work? did you compile the level with light.exe?
sacred flicker
uhh no
sacred flicker
i have ericw tools
honest stag
i assume yu already do since you compiled it
yeah
just drag the .bsp into the light.exe that you can find in the folder
it should make a lit up map
crimson patrol
theres also this weird error where you drag a .bsp into light.exe and it just makes a text file and doesnt work
which idk how to fix
honest stag
did you read the text file?
honest stag
try moving it into a folder that doesnt have spaces or non-english characters in the pathname
crimson patrol
hm
honest stag
or make sure the level itself doesnt have that
crimson patrol
havent thought of that thanks
i thought that it just randomly happens
also since im new to this i attempt to make big rooms and when i compile theyre actually small lmao
like i tried to make this big staircase that when i compiled raced through in like 5 seconds
sacred flicker
i dragged the map bsp into light.exe and it just gave me a text file called light.log
sacred flicker
no
honest stag
alright what's in the log
sacred flicker
uhhh, should I send the whole thing?
crimson patrol
wait can you teleport entities like keys?
crimson patrol
zombie laughs to himself when he sees us suffer here
honest stag
whatevs
it's free shit so who am i to complain
crimson patrol
yeah
honest stag
free tools rather
crimson patrol
we got func door so we cant complain
honest stag
what in trespasser?
long anchor
nah in general
imagine a room
there is a space for they key on top of the room
like
hold on i'd better draw the thing
honest stag
so like it drops out of the box down?
long anchor
yes
honest stag
into the room?
long anchor
yes yes
honest stag
i think entities just stay afloat
long anchor
will it work
honest stag
however
you can move them up and down with enemy corpses pretty sure
i have no clue what's that all about but yeah
but yeah it'll just stay in 1 spot i think
long anchor
damn
i think there was a moment in campaign when you could break the cage and fire totem starts slowly floating down
fire totem
or however the thing's called
i didn't touch dusk for so long i don't even remember
honest stag
i do have vagues memories of breaking barrels and watching items from them slowly fall
vague*
honest stag
i think i tried to recreate it but it didnt work
crimson patrol
hold on let me compile and see if this works
alright im booting up the sdk
nah it doesnt work
it doesnt have anything to light up since its up in the sky
still looks funny in TB though
honest stag
from my understanding it will also seriously slow down the compile time
honest stag
oh jesus was that you?
crimson patrol
yup
honest stag
dear god dude lol
crimson patrol
well its one way to light up an area
instead of placing lights at strategic positions just copypaste walls of light
long anchor
dear god
this is how i did lights back in the days when i was figuring out hl mapping
gritty forge
poop
gritty forge
hey guys who can i map for dusk without quake
i heard about the quake sourceport thing but
honest stag
yes, you dont need quake
gritty forge
idrk what that is
listen i just wanna watch anime my parents would shame me over watching on 1 monitor and map for an amazing game on the other
and currently many things are stopping me from doing so
honest stag
basically what we use for mapping is Trenchbroom
it's a 3rd party mapping tool for quake, but you dont need quake to run it and make maps in it
honest stag
im assuming you dont own quake?
honest stag
in that case look in the pinned messages and get the palette.lmp file, you need it for textures to show up properly
gritty forge
also completely unrelated but what engine does dusk run on
gritty forge
odd
honest stag
but yeah it's unity
oh and also check pinned messages for a setup tutorial
if anything doesnt work - shoot the questions
sharp trail
Are progressive music tracks ever going to be a thing? I want certain elements to change in a track depending on whats happening in the game. I know this is not a thing rn but will it ever be?
alpine depot
you'd use a trigger_changemusic brush entity, with a music key/value pair, the filepath to the music (relative to the mod's folder itself) being the value
and then of course two separate music tracks
honest stag
wow i didnt know you make the source sdk as well
honest stag
truly a man of many talents
ancient depot
Are progressive music tracks ever going to be a thing? I want certain elements to change in a track depending on whats happening in the game. I know this is not a thing rn but will it ever be?
Yes
Basically, if the main campaign does it, you'll be able to do it in the SDK at some point
honest stag
by the way
what's happening there behind the scenes? are you folks still busy with other stuff?
honest stag
lmao
ancient depot
But yeah, the hotfix will be coming soon which fixes some of the more glaring bugs (and fixes the long-ass startup time Dusk has)
honest stag
WAIT WHAT
ancient depot
and after that comes the big patch I've been working on
eternal plank
(and fixes the long-ass startup time Dusk has)
honest stag
oh hellll yeahhhhhh
eternal plank
Yeah that was literally added so people didn't crash their games while loading right?
ancient depot
The long startup time itself was present before that change, it was just made longer as a result of what we had to do to prevent the freeze
But now it should be near instant
gritty forge
Finally thank god
honest stag
I can finally wake up
bold orbit
And in the darkest hour, Zombie hath been released from the mines to finish the SDK.
Praise be.
gritty forge
pog
honest stag
say you want a window where this brush is, shaped exactly like it
gritty forge
okay
ocean apex
Ohh i see where this is going
gritty forge
Ohhhh
ocean apex
Ye
honest stag
there's many cool things in TB like that
like the hollow tool
convex merge, face merge
sick stuff
ocean apex
Those are dem fancy booleans Probuilder doenst has
honest stag
it works for carvings too, just beware of weird geomerty
say i want a carving of this pentagram instead of it sticking out
see what happens
gritty forge
honest stag
it works but... yeah
gritty forge
aight, thanks for the help 
honest stag
np
honest stag
probably nothing
but it's better to avoid it, maybe to avoid a high brush count to not go over to limit for example
the limit is very high but go overboard with stuff like that and you'll reach it real quick
ocean apex
Limit?
ocean apex
Oh
honest stag
i use bsp2 to make it higher
i remember running into that problem with my first map where i made like 4-5 rooms and hit the brush limit
switched to bsp2 and made the map 2x bigger with no problems
ocean apex
How bad will it hurt performance tho?
honest stag
it wont
well for now big maps will tank kinda
but that's not the intention
if you're curious what the map was - it's The Church
ocean apex
Wait trenchbroom is for quake right?
honest stag
yea
ocean apex
So i guess we can go above it
honest stag
you can use goldsrc editors if you want like hammer or JACK
they arent officially supported but you can, people had success with it
mr meatbox uses it for example
ocean apex
oh and all this talk reminded me of something
@alpine depot i was able to stand on this trigger for the rat fight
on derailed i mean
honest stag
lol it's still there aqua?
alpine depot
HOW
ocean apex
i dunno
alpine depot
it- it's not there on my end
alpine depot
i think?
honest stag
as long as you're on steam you should be up-to-date man
alpine depot
it doesnt show up at all on my end
im pretty sure i even pushed an update trying to fix that
pfffft it's fine
honest stag
maybe it's the launch settings?
honest stag
you use different ones dont you
ocean apex
the changelogs on the map download dont mention the trigger fix
alpine depot
nah
ocean apex
anyway gonna try to beat it on cero miedo now, wish me luck
alpine depot
derailed and urban turmoil are certainly doable on cero miedo
but honestly, good fucking luck doing cero miedo on downtown showdown
honest stag
as long as you're savescumming yeah
ocean apex
yeah but i bad
alpine depot
so am i ๐
ocean apex
oh, im pretty sure enemies t posing are normal but T posing wendigos dont turn invisible
crisp raven
"Heard you was talkin' shit"
ocean apex
i actualy laughed at first
then i got closer
closer
then he did his thing and i almost threw my keyboard off my table
honest stag
is that a helmet or something
ocean apex
WHY THE COWGIRLS HAVE BIKINIS
honest stag
thank veven
ocean apex
that actualy almost killed me
daily reminder to stop doing shit like this if i value my cardiovascular health
honest stag
i dare ya to beat trespasser without quicksaving
ocean apex
i finished it without saving tho
honest stag
no clue then
ocean apex
thats actualy why im so stressed
alpine depot
damn gg
ocean apex
Played like an absolute wimp tho
Great map
Enemy placement was very good
died shortly after because i cornered myself
honest stag
truly terrifying
ocean apex
"Yess, grab the shells intruder"
long anchor
WHY THE COWGIRLS HAVE BIKINIS
it- it's not there on my end
yeah Aqua i told you about this the day you updated the map lol
honest stag
zombie's back to playing doom eternal
oh no
last talon
wood eternal
gritty forge
oh, im pretty sure enemies t posing are normal but T posing wendigos dont turn invisible
@ocean apex Wendigos not being invisible is one of the bugs I wanted them to fix.
honest stag
aight
gritty forge
Just ignore me if you hate what I'm saying.
honest stag
aight
ancient depot
The wendigo bug has already been fixed internally
Other things ended up taking priority so releasing the hotfix got thrown on the backburner for a bit
golden jacinth
Hey, so when I'm going in to manually do the vis stuff, do I just texture the empty faces with a completely transparent texture? Or is there a specific way to delete/non-render the faces?
bold orbit
In JACK, you'll want to set the faces to the NULL texture
NULL TO SELECTED is a good tool to use
Unsure of how it's done in TB
burnt haven
Has anyone tried making some movement maps? Kinda like DeFRaG
honest stag
1 guy made a rocket jump map a long time ago
burnt haven
is it Jump_Dusk?
bold orbit
Sure
burnt haven
yea i like that map a lot
burnt haven
Jump_Dusk was a cool proof of concept but basic. This one is really nice
got a little bit lost right before the end
but figured it out
didnt find the secret tho
I really liked it. Idk if there is anything to change really.
tepid python
Wow someone else has finally made a jump map
burnt haven
the other map had a way that you couldnt bounce rockets off the death zones like the lava. Might be nice here.
ocean apex
Oh btw, has anyone ever had trouble streaming the Dusk SDK via discord?
I can stream normal Dusk fine but the SDK nets me a black screen
ancient depot
@ocean apex Likely a Vulkan issue, you can try running the game with -force-glcore on the command line
ocean apex
Thats probably it actually, i always had issues streaming anything with Vulkan
Thanks for the heads up!
ocean apex
using that command actualy fixed my issued as long as i didnt alt tab
burnt haven
I'm confused by the 2 minute tutorial. I'm trying to drag over dusk.wad but it doesnt work? I'm following what he did
on trenchbroom
honest stag
click "face" in the top right
then at the bottom, in "texture collections", click "show" on the right
and then drag dusk wad in there
in that small white window
i can screenshot the exact place in a moment
@burnt haven
after that just drag it into here or press the "+" and select it manually
burnt haven
great ty
burnt haven
are all the quake weapons the same dusk weapons when you move it to dusk?
rocket launcher is riveter, ssg is ssg, etc
i'm a rat now lol
honest stag
yeah they have a relation
but you can place dusk weapons specifically
do you know how to place dusk entities?
burnt haven
Nope, all Ive done so far was just see how to get it all working and make the same map he made in the 2 minute tutorial
need to learn the actual interface of trenchbroom I guess to actually make the maps
honest stag
if you want entities specifically from dusk, head over to the pinnned messages and get "entities.txt'
that contains all the entity names that dusk maps can use, and to use it simply place any entity and rename it in the "entity" tab to anything from that list
burnt haven
okay ty
honest stag
i highly suggest watching dumptruck_ds on youtube for learning the interface
it's for quake but we're basically quake mapping
and you get to learn the interface
burnt haven
ah
ive done a few maps and mods for original doom using doombuilder so seems a bit similar
wanted to try my hand at making a few movement maps like the new rivetrun one. So won't need to worry about enemies too much. Playtesting seems a bit like a pain though since after each change you have to re convert it to bsp and stuff?
honest stag
yeah you have to compile each time, but you dont have to leave the game or even the map
just restart it from the menu and you're good
i use a compiling GUI to make the process a bit easier on myself
burnt haven
oh okay. Dusk takes a bit to boot up so thats nice I don't have to restart each time
is it that necro compiling gui or something. I saw a comment about that
honest stag
yeah dumptruck_ds shows how to use it if you want it
pretty useful in terms of not needing to manually do the compiling and a quick access to compile options
like light compiling things or -bsp2 you get it
burnt haven
yea, especially on the maps I wanna make I think will take a lot of trial and error through playing
finding spacing and tricks
honest stag
you can also set up an output folder for the .bsp to be placed automatically where you want it
i never bothered with that tho
crisp raven
Giga's gonna make a banger ๐ฎ
burnt haven
lol rivet run already a banger
I wish dumptruck_ds could narrate my life, nice voice lol
honest stag
ye
burnt haven
I spent too many attempts trying to find a good speedrun strat on that one too
honest stag
i remember the final jump really puzzling me
burnt haven
yea it took me a sec too
honest stag
i have a vid of it uploaded too
lemme try and find it
burnt haven
this was the fastest way I could find