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ancient depot
The dev console isn't currently in the public SDK build, but there is a console
Here's an old version of it
crimson quest
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1485578528240945703/9272EB8E5FB7B939B2C06731E059F62E4A4A2580/
Ok, new problem, why does this render as skybox and not transparent?
ancient depot
What's the name of the texture
honest stag
oh wow
oh hey they all do that actually
what i did to fix it is make the back face of the brush the same texture as the wall
oh not all of them sorry, just the writings
honest stag
by the way - that's a really cool fence you made
i do remember somehow fixing this, god what did i do to it
it was like 4 months now
....oh i cant just open the map
1 moment
crimson quest
Thanks, Kinda just getting my brushwork juices flowing again
Btw this is a zoo map I'm making of all the entities
honest stag
oh hey i actually was making the same one lol
yours looks better already tho
crimson quest
At least for my own use but feel free to contribute once I get it mostly done
Really... I'd be down to collab
crimson quest
Aight
honest stag
well my "zoo" map was literally just for personal use too
i can just give the .map to ya in 1 moment
i just made it for mosnter model replacement testing
here, feel free to use
crimson quest
Neat, ty
honest stag
the buttons open the doors which are trasnparent by default
so like the monster just sits there unless you open him up
i didnt light up the map yet tho
crimson quest
I'll post mine in a few days once I get all or most of the entities spawned, but I've modified some of the fgd sizes and offsets on a few, but we'll see how much that messes things up
Neeeat
I like those little railings on the edges of the map
honest stag
lol thanks
dunno why i added them even since it was supposed to be a map just for me
crimson quest
Funnn this is genuinely very useful. Really quick way of revisiting enemy properties
Though when I press any button, all of the cages open up.
crimson quest
Ahhh that might have been just the only button that wasn't assigned correctly
honest stag
which mosnter was it?
crimson quest
bigjohn
honest stag
oh wait i see what;'s the problem
since you have the .map, just remove the targetname from the bigjohn's button
honest stag
cuz the button next to it actually targets "2" which is the next cage name
crimson quest
Also use this skybox strat, very useful for quickly lighting up the map
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586508960128040961/724362090911105054/sky.PNG
honest stag
yeah i use it too actually, i just didnt add it yet
crimson quest
Currently all of the enemies ignore the walls and move through them, is there some sort of trigger needed to set them off upon opening each door?
honest stag
the ones on my map?
crimson quest
Yeah
honest stag
huh that is
really really weird?
they should be stuck in their cages as they dont update their navmeshes
so they should think the door is always there
crimson quest
Ah yeah maybe it's just a problem in my compiler, idk
next time you work with it, hmu
honest stag
what do you compile with?
honest stag
so ericw's tools?
crimson quest
Yeah
honest stag
cuz i use the same
i actually didnt test the map yet but lemme try and compile it myself
honest stag
huh
im so confused im looking at the map and dont get what's wrong lol
alright loading it up
wtf they do
uhhhhhh
crimson quest
XD
crimson quest
lol
honest stag
oh well the bone monk doesnt have a navmesh
crimson quest
howcome?
crimson quest
ah makes sense
honest stag
also some of the last ones dont leave the cage either
uhhhhh
like the doors themselves arent any different
from each other
crimson quest
Yeah odd
I mean there's got to be a simple solution, many other maps use doors to block those enemies
honest stag
yeah i made a bunch of maps now and everytime i have a door - enemies cant go through them
and here it's the opposite
but only SOMETIMES?
crimson quest
Eh
I mean maybe just compare it with your other maps and see what's different
honest stag
huh wait it looks like sometimes they walk through ONE of the doors
like the gator at the end
im
kinda lost
crimson quest
Welp gonna go to bed now but ttyl on this
honest stag
good night mango
crimson quest
Still need to fix my texture thing but I'll keep tweaking what you suggested
drowsy dirge
I have a couple questions after reading the dev.newblood.games dusk FAQ
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Does Dusk intend to eventually implement all entities from Half Life and Quake? If not, which ones does it intend to implement? From the trenchbroom tutorial it also seemed like Dusk actually uses some of the enemy entity tags to spawn its own NPCs, so is that what they mean?
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Can I create my own, custom palette.lmp if I don't like Dusk's default color palette for my maps? (What tool would be used to do that?)
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In the two minute trenchbroom tutorial, 500_pts shows loading quake's settings before then dragging-and-dropping Dusk's wad into the editor and using absolute paths. Does this mean he is loading both quake's wad and Dusk's wad in trenchbroom?
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Do I have to build all my custom textures into a .wad before Dusk can use them in my mods?
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Can I build my dusk mods into a wad?
Pardon my spanish inquisition. I'm genuinely intrigued.
still raptor
- yes pretty much
2)yes absolutely, just follow the format of the palette file on quake's wiki
3)yes, i loaded both quake's texture wad and dusks texture wad
4)so while technically you dont have to do that, i would suggest doing that for now, as support for external textures isnt like fully there yet (you can compile for qbsp3 , its missing a lot of features, but you can use external textures there)
5)not currently, your best bet is to make them available as a file directory that includes sounds, models, maps etc
drowsy dirge
ah thanks.
Since you're here, do you have that text file listing all the tags that Dusk supports shown in your video?
I didn't see it in the FAQ section
still raptor
thats for quake ones
as for the full list
the file is in the sdk directory
entities.txt
also available here
drowsy dirge
I think that's all my questions for now
You're very helpful
Thanks!
tepid python
ok finally textures
still raptor
oh no
hoary juniper
gritty forge
gritty forge
Is it possible to replace the final boss model with Stephen weyte holding a tree branch
honest stag
Nope
Nyarls model cant be replaced
gritty forge
damn
bold orbit
yet
mint cosmos
Hey
I want to make a dusk total conversion mod
Who do i talk to for help?
I'm free come monday.
gritty forge
I ve started modding with unity a few days too
maybe we could learn it together : )
mint cosmos
Im down
gritty forge
do you mind that i don't have a microphone?
Well my parents won't allow me talkin to strangers
mint cosmos
I have a whole concept in mind and im currently working on the arena layout. And i dony mind
gritty forge
thanks
i ve gotta go eat breakfast, its nearly 6am., i woke up at 9pm and im startin to feel hungry, lets take a loot on it later : )
honest stag
the main "tools" for proper total conversion mods will come later (scripting n shit)
totally can make some maps and models beforehand tho
maps are very functional right now, models... kind of a mess but working
i can help out with setting up the map tool and importing models, feel free to dm
wooden pier
We don't deserve Vriska
tepid python
your tutorial helped with the texture issue I was having
but next time record at 720p atleast
honest stag
lmao sorry
long anchor
lmao
eternal plank
There's already a bunch of them in the dusk mods page
drowsy dirge
is there one that replaces rat with fatrat
eternal plank
No but there's one that replaces them with the Jerma rats
drowsy dirge
then this needs to be amended
honest stag
I have a video with the specifics of dusk model replacing
eternal plank
bold orbit
Yes
drowsy dirge
ooo thank u
gritty forge
Big chungus in dusk is something I never knew I needed
solid isle
gilded saddle
i don't know who it was but someone was making a China Lake GL viewmodel replacement
a long time ago
honest stag
yeah i wish we could replace weapon models right now but we gotta wait a bit
for the next patch
kindred epoch
ok i gotta ask, does anyone know where the Nyarlathotep voice lines are in the SDK? i can't find them anywhere
honest stag
im not sure if those can be replaced right now
or if they are present in the sdk
but maybe im wrong
kindred epoch
dangit
bold orbit
Nargle cannot be comprehended let alone modified
kindred epoch
i just wanted to yoink the lines so i could layer them on the boss music for this thing i'm doing but r.i.p
long anchor
that may be the only solution until we get custom sfx thing but you'll have the same lines over and over again
eternal sail
crimson quest
Wow I kinda like the result
@wooden pier How did you make stuff low res in aseprite?
gilded saddle
you could rip the sfx file from the non sdk game files. not sure of how you'd do that.
long anchor
turn down the volume, record his intro lines, slice it into individual pieces?
Hey Trenchbroom pros, got a dusk unrelated question here
What prevents me to use Trechbroom as tool for HL mapping?
can't I just make an fgd for HL, use it, and save it as regualr .map, and then just compile it using HL compiling tools?
honest stag
how to get endless entertainment when mapping
still raptor
LOL
long anchor
Dusk Bikerโข
ancient depot
func_vehicle withdrawal symptoms
gritty forge
If we would be able to create drivable vehicles in DUSK, this motorcycle would be one of them
honest stag
oh you bet it's the prime func_vehicle candidate unless i make something better
tepid python
Func_vehicle2
drowsy dirge
is func_vehicle a real thing in quake bsp
is that how they did the trains in half life
gritty forge
nah func_vehicle was a counter strike thing
I think the train is half_life is just a modified func_train
It's called func_tracktrain I think
crimson quest
This is gonna sound like a dumb question, but what's the entity name for a blue key?
crimson quest
Yeah, every key I've tried doesn't spawn:
key_blue_card
key_blue_key
key_blue_magic
honest stag
try looking under/above the floor where the key is supposed to spawn @crimson quest
if it's there - your map isnt sealed and you need to seal it up
drowsy dirge
Closed geometry?
Why would you need to have closed geometry
for an entity to spawn in the correct location
honest stag
i dont know, but i've run into this exact issue many times before with keys specifically
and only sealing the map helped
well not really many times myself, but it happened to me and others
drowsy dirge
And since it uses bsp brushes
I mean since BSP is basically CSG
How would you even have non-closed geometry
honest stag
uh...
well just make an unsealed map and compile it
most of my maps are leaking cuz im lazy
alpine depot
there's a very high chance that a brush is just pushing the key out of the map immediately on spawn, happened to me when i was making urban turmoil
drowsy dirge
a so...
honest stag
that too
alpine depot
i dont think a leak has any ill effect for entities aside from performance issues
but i dont think vis is implemented yet so it's not like a leak is gonna butcher your performance anyways
honest stag
i remember in trespasser it kept causing issues untill my man veven went around and sealed the map
then the key stoped despawning
basically wouldnt hurt anyway as VIS will be supported eventually
honest stag
not yet
honest stag
uhhh so this happens when i turn on singleplayer dusk now lmao
the non-sdk version
lemme verify files
starting the .exe work tho
works*
but now it's not starting i think either
ugh
ok yeah it launched, but this is weird
eternal plank
Dusk machine ๐ ฑ๏ธroke
alpine depot
finally back in that mapping grind ๐
here's another angle
and an exterior shot ๐ ๐
eternal plank
Holy shit that looks sick
drowsy dirge
๐ฎ
I love it
I want to consume this product
please tell me i'll have to pay a monthly fee
solar berry
I need to get better at mapping for Dusk
Just still trying to figure a way to make the gun thingies louder
drowsy dirge
you use trenchbroom right
solar berry
Yeah I do, but I've used Doom Builder 2 too much, I guess I'll have to watch dumptruck_ds' videos on Trenchbroom mapping
alpine depot
"please see diana in reception for all business inquiries- she might have already been turned into a demonic horror, but at that point that's a you problem"
long anchor
i dont think a leak has any ill effect for entities aside from performance issues
I had problems with teleporting enemies when my map was leaky
mainly because they just kept falling through the floor and/or couldn't interact with trigger
So I say if you have any entity related problem there is a high probability it's because your map isn't sealed
i remember in trespasser it kept causing issues untill my man veven went around and sealed the map
then the key stoped despawning
oh yeah that
honest stag
yo dev men, i have a question about future model replacements
how does one control the muzzle flash position?
or will control
long anchor
iirc they said that same thing but for enemies work via adding additional bone or something?
honest stag
ah gotcha
honest stag
a.k.a even lower
long anchor
^
gritty forge
can't wait for Lower 1 episode 2
long anchor
actually this naming makes more sense ^
honest stag
name it lowerer
long anchor
lowerererererererererer
drowsy dirge
Lower 2 the empire strikes back
honest stag
lowest
drowsy dirge
lowester
gritty forge
can't believe he missed the low lower lowest
true wraith
Heyo, anyone know how to convert my .map to bsp?
I watched the 2 minute dusk config video, but I cant find the tools they use to convert the file
Got it nvm
alpine depot
so uh, how does func_door_rotating work again?
honest stag
place the door at 0.0.0 and then add a property called uh "origin" i think
actually i have a rotating door in a map
alpine depot
i know we have to do some black magic with the or- OH GOD IT'S LIKE THAT
honest stag
lemme see exactly what
alright yeah the door is placed at 0.0.0 and the property origin controls where it actually is
distance and speed are self-explaining
how far it goes and how fast it goes there
tepid python
My map has 21 one of them
alpine depot
is there a way to move a brush immediately to 0 0 0
honest stag
jesus dude
alpine depot
or will i have to kinda eyeball it
honest stag
eyeball it
alpine depot
frick
honest stag
there's uh a lot of eyeballing
eternal plank
Trenchbroom has the big Blue line where 0 0 0 is right?
alpine depot
argh im gonna have to eyeball a 5344x5344 brush
eternal plank
argh im gonna have to eyeball a 5344x5344 brush
Godspeed
eternal plank
"alright yeah the door is placed at 0.0.0 and the property origin controls where it actually is"
I mean, this is a very weird way of doing doors
tepid python
gl if you want more then 1 rotating door
alpine depot
there we go
this should be plenty
speed is how many degrees it rotates per second right?
eternal plank
Gotta set the speed right too
alpine depot
oh god i just plunged my map into eternal darkness
honest stag
I think speed might actually be uh a percentage or something
Because i cant explain it's behaviour any other way
alpine depot
woops
honest stag
Like 100 bring a full distance in 1 second
alpine depot
i-i dont know and i'm scared of my powers
wooden pier
@crimson quest Made transparent canvas 256 by 256. Draw an inscription. Lower the resolution to 64 by 64 in the Gimp.
You're done
Sorry, I was out of town to answer
My map should be as cool as this inscription.
last talon
Sunn O(((
long anchor
aw you didn't get it :c
wooden pier
Nah it was old meme i suppose?
long anchor
yep
wooden pier
There's something familiar
long anchor
last talon
THE NOOBS AND PROS TOO
I KILLED THEM
cant remember which episode all that memeworthy shit was in tho
long anchor
^ this one is 3rd
long anchor
@wooden pier can I get your "sand eating the ocean" scribblings but with transparent background?
you'll love what i want to make with it
Actually no, don't do it, i have a better idea
long anchor
honest stag
fucking lmao
long anchor
not as good as Aqua's ads but hey
long anchor
@ancient depot sorry to bother. Does makewad support texture prefixes? I have a bunch of images with transparent background, but adding { in the beginning didn't do the thing - transparent parts are still black as void
ancient depot
@long anchor When it comes to prefixes, there's nothing to support, since it's just a regular file name
It's the game that treats it as having meaning
long anchor
hmmm
but why texture on the right turns black after wadding it
i'm not sure how discord treats png with transparency but here's the original
oh it's good nvm
so
but why texture on the right turns black after wadding it
still raptor
You need to make sure the pixels you want transparent use the transparent palette index
still raptor
yeah
the quake palette uses that weird pink
that color in the bottom right
if you replace all the transparent parts with that, you should be good
or if youre using HLbsp i believe it uses a vivid blue
long anchor
or if youre using HLbsp i believe it uses a vivid blue
I remember times when I played HL maps and couldn't understand why some maps use railings with vivd blue gaps instead of transparent one
thanks for the help
wooden pier
LOL @long anchor
One ticket to the Sand eating festival please
wooden pier
๐ต ๐ต ๐ต
long anchor
two more
wooden pier
๐ต ๐ต
long anchor
here's your ticket sir
wooden pier
me taking ticket
honest stag
can i pay in rat 
wooden pier
i stole it
wooden pier
What is the difference between dusk.wad and dusk_transparent.wad?
long anchor
If they are the same as mine then dusk.wad doesn't have transparency on transparent textures
which means that dusk_transparent.wad has transparency on transparent textures
eternal plank
So loading dusk.wad is just inferior?
long anchor
wdym
wooden pier
Hey that was my question
eternal plank
Well, dusk.wad has no transparency on the transparent textures
But dusk_transparent.wad doesn't have anything dusk.wad doesn't right?
eternal plank
Maybe if you wanted to use a transparent texture, but without transparency
For some reason
long anchor
for me in trenchbroom all other textures in transparent one are grey for some reason, and i'm not sure if it has all of the textures
wooden pier
Looks like dusk.wad is no longer needed
long anchor
maybe that's because I have textures with the same name in other wad, i dunno
Maybe if you wanted to use a transparent texture, but without transparency
for this occasion I use dusk.wad
Actually it would make sense to grab all the textures from dusk.wad (including those that are supposed to be transparent)
then grab all transparents that ARE actually transparent
eternal plank
And fuse them into a wad
eternal plank
You can do that with TexMex i think
long anchor
I would've done it ages ago but i'm lazy :c
You can do that with TexMax i think
you can do it with MakeWad too actually
ok alright
eternal plank
What's the difference between MakeWad and TexMex?
long anchor
if no one's going to do it until tomorrow - i'll do it
What's the difference between MakeWad and TexMex?
eh
MakeWad is a piece of soft Zom made for us
eternal plank
eh, might do it, got nothing better to do right now anyways
long anchor
texMex - no clue
wooden pier
I looked into dusk_transparent and there are not only transparent textures
eternal plank
And would familiarize me with the dusk textures for when i make maps
long anchor
if no one's going to do it until tomorrow - i'll do it
I didn't mean "if ya bloody bastards won't do it - i'll do it myself" but rather "I'll do it tomorrow"
just to be clear
wooden pier
@long anchor Excuse me for asking, but are you by any chance related to Post-Exposure Prophylaxis mod?
wooden pier
Oops
long anchor
The most relation to this mod I have is bird pfp and video on youtube where I get true ending
wooden pier
I'm sorry. I just saw that the images matched
long anchor
understandable, it's ok
wooden pier
But it looks interesting to go through
I passed the Mission Improbable recently
Level design just ๐
long anchor
gotcha
eternal plank
Half-Life Echoes is a great one
wooden pier
Thank you
bold orbit
Dustin Echoes is the most powerful Character ever created
tepid python
idk if it's a 0iq or 300iq move to model something in trenchbroom but i'm doing it anyway
eternal plank
Wym model
tepid python
like make a weapon model in it
pearl fox
Hiya! Been out of the loop for a while. What's happening with the SDK and the modding community? Any news about what's coming with the next patch?
tepid python
weapon models next patch
wooden pier
I painted the transparent part with that color from the Quake palette. But it didn't work. What I missed.
long anchor
oh hmm
it's either palette you're using in trenchbroom or
ohoh
what's the texture name?
it should start with {
bold orbit
so this is how mine are set up
wooden pier
Yeah, I renamed it, and now it's working. Thank you, all.
wooden pier
It's so weird. The texture on the left looks even better than the original. But only because I painted over the background before I compressed the image. Why are the letters so fat? Is this going to improve somehow in the future?
honest stag
"we sold our souls for ice cream"
wooden pier
I like god version better
long anchor
we sold our souls for one sand eating festival ticket
Why are the letters so fat?
if you painted over the transparent background - probably some pixels around the text become a shade of the transparent color, therefore they don't count as transparent
honest stag
bro i loved the white looking sand at the sand eating festival
long anchor
glad you liked it
long anchor
where it's located tho
wooden pier
in developer
if you painted over the transparent background - probably some pixels around the text become a shade of the transparent color, therefore they don't count as transparent
Is that why the original letters are so thick? The transparent background is painted after compression and some pixels remain semi-transparent.
Only wad creator knows
long anchor
probably that
I also noticed some black pixels on some textures that are supposed to be transparent
OH YEAH I FORGOT
I said i'll do cooler dusk.wad
today
honest stag
why not lol
we already have a superior unofficial transparent dusk wad
wooden pier
transparent wad was unofficial?
honest stag
lol yeah
tepid python
cooler dusk when
wooden pier
Dusk with UHD models when
long anchor
dusk but all textures are 4k upscaled
uhhhh
should I include items and objects textures? like in dusk.wad?
honest stag
yes
i sometimes use the item textures for non-item stuff
i used the bullet box texture for freezer room walls
long anchor
wtf is this
it's in textures folder
ffs dave
"super_important_texture.jpg"
yeah sure
wooden pier
wtf is this
Unused level
wooden pier
I hope they get it back
Or they'll just release an unfinished version that can be tested
long anchor
or we can give this image to people who analyze 2 seconds of leaked game footage and spew out the entire plot of the game
oh hmm
there's a little problem
so there are some textures like blood
you probably don't see it here but the colored parts are actually semi-transparent
so when I'll put it on quake's transparent color it will lose it's semi-transparency AND
damn i don't even know how to say it
the colors are going to mix
it's might still look ok with this blood texture buuuuut
there's this sky
worn umbra
oh no
sharp trail
That water texture is so ugly
As soon as im back home imma make a retexture
It looks like cheeze
long anchor
also some images are indexed for some reason?
long anchor
yeah we used really nice water textures for Trespasser
ancient depot
Are you allowed to create unofficialdusk.wad?
Yes, provided it's only used to create Dusk mods
For use other than that, you would need David's permission
long anchor
really?
i don't even notice
may have a look
you didn't get the joke again
now I am sad :c
wooden pier
nooo don't be sad :c
long anchor
alright
wooden pier
lmao
long anchor
alright
I'll be depressed then
eternal plank
Textures not tiling properly?
long anchor
plot twist you was always in depression
now, after I failed miserably i'll have depression
Textures not tiling properly?
no, tiling is ok
there are some textures that are semi-transparent
and I added background colored in quake palette's transparent color
ancient depot
semitransparent textures aren't supported, it's either fully see through or fully solid
or rather, they're supported by Dusk, but wads don't support them
long anchor
now all semi-transparent parts are mixed with that quake color
ancient depot
That's why we're doing our own "WAD4" format for a future update
ancient depot
It's essentially just a regular WAD with some extra data in it, so each texture is also stored as PNG
Which the game can use instead of the paletted version, while still being compatible with Quake tools for a "good enough" preview
long anchor
nice
wooden pier
sounds good
long anchor
tho this ""good enough" preview" part sounds a bit shady
ancient depot
It means that inside trenchbroom it'll look as it does currently
but ingame it'll look as you intend
long anchor
okay fine
abstract siren
hey guys
so I have SDK activated
but I don't know how to put the mods in
and boot them in with it
last talon
that's alot more useful than when you had to browse pins here to find out what you need 
last talon
did you opt for the beta?
guess you did because you just said you have it activated lol
abstract siren
yeah
last talon
up it somewhere and link it
eternal plank
Ayyy, it works
abstract siren
but still no sdk options
eternal plank
Well shit
eternal plank
Found a steam forums thread about mac SDK
Turns out, Mac doesn't support the SDK yet
abstract siren
well shit
eternal plank
last talon
install windows on your mac and dualboot 
abstract siren
I hope I don't have to wait much 
for Mac SDK
long anchor
so sad
still raptor
yeah we have not done a mac build of the sdk yet
its too early for us to support it yet
drowsy dirge
I thought Dusk was a unity project.
are there major roadblocks preventing you from building for mac just yet?
ancient depot
The SDK uses a completely custom VFS which has only been tested on Windows, it's designed to work cross platform but we'd need to actually test it first
Plus it's just a little bit more involved to test a Mac or Linux build in general, so we opted to leave those versions for when the SDK either approaches or reaches 1.0
bold orbit
Get the full package done on the main platform first before slowing things down to get stuff compatible
drowsy dirge
I've actually been running the game in proton
So far no issues
of course it emulates a windows file system
gilded moss
is there any way to make skins for DUSK
eternal plank
Well model replacements for enemies is possible, but not for weapons
gilded moss
any place wher I can find information about that? For I would be thrilled to change model animations (if that is possible)
still raptor
yes you can
and weapons are coming soon
short and sweet dusk accepts model replacements for enemies right now, using .iqm models
(which supports anims)
so you can replace the models they currently use with the same ones, but with replaced anims
next glacier
say if i might ask when i try to play the mods or the SDK base game the controls are wonky like i can't shoot the guns, the zoom stays zoomed after i try to unzoom, and i cant flip my weapons as the most noticeable problems that i've found
bold orbit
Might be incorrect mod installment?
crimson quest
Ummm So I'm trying to get rats to come from hallway, but I have a func_breakable in the way which gets broken by a trigger, but the rats don't come out, they just stay behind where the func_breakable used to be. I'm assuming this is happening because the nav mesh has the func_breakable baked in? How do I fix this?
last talon
thats a known thing
crimson quest
damn
last talon
dont know if the wizards of this channel have come up with something to bypass it tho
crimson quest
I'll just not use it then
Alsoooo I still have yet to get a key to spawn at all, anyone have an example of key spawning?
gilded moss
@crimson quest load up a official DUSK map and see how they did it in there?
gilded moss
a fine question I cannot provide you an awnser for
alpine depot
is there a way to change the draw distance in trenchbroom?
it's been fine.... until very recently
wooden pier
Uhh I tried to look here, but nothing close.
alpine depot
shit
wooden pier
Maybe there might be something in the Trenchbroom manual
alpine depot
i mean it's fine but it's very annoying seeing my ||comically large skyscraper|| fade out of view when i hardly even turn the camera lol
but hey go big or go home ๐
yeah ill check the manual quick
yeah nah nothing about that
oh well
wooden pier
Go big or go home ๐
crimson quest
Do I need to fully seal up my map to get monster closets to work?
I read above that leaks cause the method to teleport them to fail
I haven't sealed my map at all so far, but everything's been working up until now
bold orbit
Hey Zombie are enemies going to be able to bust down walls in a future patch?
wooden pier
noooo problem at all
Write to Kristian Duske lol
wooden pier
alright
alpine depot
good news guys i just found out what the trenchbroom height limit is!
wooden pier
But if you get tired of it, I think Dumptruck's discord will help you
yoo
looks fantastic
alpine depot
if it had lighting it'd be much better
i have to box it in with a skybox so large that the lighting breaks lmao
so i'll have to resort to whatever the sun entity is
...whatever that is
lmao
alpine depot
i heard it was a normal light with a _sun value set to 1
wooden pier
only way to make skybox now is to make box around map?
tepid python
for the func breakable thing wouldn't the nav work if you just raised the breakable by even like 0.1 off the ground
eternal plank
Do I need to fully seal up my map to get monster closets to work?
I mean that's good practice anyways
cunning fulcrum
I was promised that some one would make HDusk over a year ago.
Where is my HDusk!
honest stag
when we get scripting
honest stag
maps, sound replacements, texture replacements, enemy model replacements are possible
everything else isnt, but will be
eternal plank
Maps aren't done with the SDK, they're done with Trenchbroom
Trenchbroom is used to make Quake 1/half life maps, which DUSK supports
abstract siren
Im hoping when mac sdk comes im hoping to be able to make custom monsters that I can try out
honest stag
get blender, it's out for mac and you make the models there
then you need an iqm exporter
actually
1 moment i'll post a video
eternal plank
Custom monster would require scripting, which afaik isn't in the SDK yet
abstract siren
wait
do
the monsters
if Im able to make them
need to be hollow
on the inside
honest stag
honest stag
i'd suggest you figure out some blender if you want to make custom models
the only iqm exporter known to me that works is for blender
and iqm is the model format that dusk uses
honest stag
keep in mind - this tutorial doesnt go over the actual process of making the model as there are plenty better tutorials for that
it's just the export-to-dusk process
slow osprey
chunky moment
crimson quest
Does anyone have the texture name for the colored gate posts?
bold orbit
You mean the colors around the key doors?
crimson quest
Yes
long anchor
If i get it right they used "metal_treads", but recolored
and recolored version of this texture is not in the folders for some reason
crimson quest
ah ok thanks
crimson quest
Wow, every day I keep finding stuff that's not implemented yet and it makes me want to either wait for the full SDK release or to revert to quake mapping
long anchor
it's not "metal_treads"
crimson quest
Not that this isn't amazing work being done here, the devs are amazing
long anchor
not implemented
well I can't really say that not having 3 textures is "not implemented"
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
crimson quest
I mean there are other entities and stuff
empty quiver
This is probably something that has been asked a bunch of times but I can't find anything about it, does anyone know anything about getting ray tracing to work in dusk?
drowsy dirge
You want to raytrace dusk?
it's a unity game does unity have a raytraced backend?
I wouldn't think so
No shader would be compatible with it
unless the shader output BSDF properties
empty quiver
I mean I'm going to be completely honest I don't know almost anything about modding in general so I'm not sure
drowsy dirge
well writing a raytraced renderer for dusk would be more than just modding, it'd be... writing a game engine
abstract siren
HDusk
still raptor
i think hes talking more like screen space raytracing
which could be reasonably done
especially if you used something janky like reshade
all it requires is like depth info i think
bold orbit
duskVR when
alpine depot
ah yes i too want to summon the urge to vomit merely by running sideways and spamming the jump button on my vr controllers
SIGN ME UP BROTHERRRRRR
bold orbit
w e a k
small gate
I don't get the hype around SSRT, looks terrible in motion
it needs at least a coarse bounce from something like svogi to look mildly decent
still raptor
yeah i dont endorse SSRT at all
in fact, i think reshade is the devil's spawn personally
gritty forge
Reminder that HDusk stands for Happy Dusk
sly cape
duskVR when
@bold orbit dont victimize me like that ๐ I got a real job so ive been busy
Soonยฎ
jolly torrent
is it possible to mod endless mode maps?
bold orbit
Not yet
sly cape
it wont take me too long once I actually sit down to do it
Just ya know, other projects, and moving houses, etc
I love you guys, but DUSK is definitely staying where it is, im not afraid im gonna miss my window or anything
Unless the Daves wanna pay me
long anchor
Call Dave and ask him then
heheh
Just ya know, other projects, and moving houses, etc
that's understandable
Even I, the laziest man in the universe, have some actually important stuff to do now
sly cape
I got hired to a very unique job, that has required a bit of replanning to my life
I monitor funeral livestreams all day
and upload the resulting footage into obituaries
sly cape
and moved at the beginning of the month
so thatll really do it to ya
wild
@still raptor it is pretty interesting, but the dead have terrible music taste
though one guy did get freebird played at the beginning of the service
so thats ๐๐ป
long anchor
but the dead have terrible music taste
were there people who say "turn on this music on my funeral" and it's some kind of memey music like all star or something
abstract siren
I always thought HDusk is like HD Dusk
@long anchor well you learn something new everyday
jolly torrent
i wanted to say that but i wasn't sure if it's okay to say here lol
abstract siren
Class A amenistics have been used
jolly torrent
lol
sly cape
were there people who say "turn on this music on my funeral" and it's some kind of memey music like all star or something
@long anchor no, but everyone and their dog gets amazing grace performed at least once
gritty forge
Has anyone tried making high poly models yet? I'm curious as to how the Riveter would look.
gritty forge
Someone black give him a pass.
abstract siren
Im working on a model of Shub-niggurath for dusk once custom bosses/monsters are able to be made
gritty forge
Why not use her Quake model?
abstract siren
correction he
gritty forge
It's a she. She's the mother of all demons
abstract siren
Bruh
eternal plank
Isn't Shub-Niggurath "the black goat of the woods with a thousand young"?
gritty forge
I guess Quake told the wrong story about them.
eternal plank
If you really want to get technical we could just refer to "it" as non-binary
abstract siren
if you want to
eternal plank
Elder gods kinda don't give a shit
abstract siren
referring to it as it
eternal plank
But most people just refer to Shub-Niggurath as "she"
abstract siren
is gonna be less problematic
eternal plank
But anyways, are you going to be remaking Quake in DUSK?
abstract siren
well great old ones, elder gods, and outer gods are genderless
gritty forge
This says Shub is female.
abstract siren
But anyways, are you going to be remaking Quake in DUSK?
@eternal plank no I wanna make a map pack with bosses that are all from Lovecraft
's fiction
I guess I dunno
I thought lovecraft said it was a he
eternal plank
Probably just confusing with another god
abstract siren
Don't say its female cause it birthed stuff
Most Gods in mythos actually have children
but
they don't do any reproductive stuff
gritty forge
I wonder why nobody has begun making a Doom remake in Dusk. Basically to show if Doom was made in 1996.
eternal plank
Well that would basically be remaking Doom in quake
gritty forge
Killing two birds with one stone is never a bad thing... Unless done literally.
eternal plank
I know some levels were remade with the verticality in mind, AD has 2 such levels
gritty forge
If I was able to map, I would remake Doom maps, and would make it possible to beat without taking damage, as there would be platforming on lava/acid.
That would be a good place to start, incorporating the need to jump.
abstract siren
yeah I hope Dusk modding becomes easy soon
gritty forge
I think doom models should be low poly to keep a retro style. Colored lighting is definitely a must-have.
eternal plank
Maps are easy enough to make with Trenchbroom, and scripting is coming... sometime
I think doom models should be low poly
Yeah otherwise you end up with those really tacky doom mods that make everything 3d
abstract siren
I forgot
but im pretty sure in extended lovecraft mythos lore
which is all fiction adding to mythos after he died
that there was a god that birthed gods
and fabricated them
gritty forge
Yeah otherwise you end up with those really tacky doom mods that make everything 3d
@eternal plank There was this one Doom model pack (which doesn't work with GZDOOM or any modern source port) that actually kept the artstyle and made the enemies and decorations 3D. Lemme get a picture.
abstract siren
imma model
gritty forge
It ain't the best, it's pretty old. But I think they blend in quite nicely.
eternal plank
Those look kinda similar to a very old quake mod
"Your path of destruction" i think was the name
gritty forge
I saw that mod, these models are different.
The Zombieman model is why I love these models so much.
gritty forge
Well, at least they're textured to resemble the sprites, which is a plus.
gritty forge
You do that. Good luck.
abstract siren
cause I have no Idea how model animations in dusk or shit works
just making models lol
gritty forge
Well, you could ask Dave, he allows DMs.
eternal plank
Do they even use bones in the quake engine?
Remember hearing how one of the big things HL and the goldsrc engine did is animating/modelling with bones
gritty forge
Dusk probably handles animation like any other Unity game.
But more on those Doom models, at least the creator tried to get them to look faithful, unlike those models used in Doom Remake 4.
eternal plank
Doom Remake 4
I take it's a Doom remake in Unreal 4?
gritty forge
No. It wasn't even a remake. It was a bunch of graphic mods compiled together for GZDoom. The mod was taken down by Bethesda.
gritty forge
abstract siren
?
gritty forge
Just an edit I made using one of the unused holy health sounds.
gritty forge
That's some Holy sh** right there
gritty forge
Gl slav boi
wooden pier
Is global lighting already available? Because it's terribly dark on my map and I don't want to put light sources by hand right now.
honest stag
you mean the "light" value on worldspawn? cuz that's global lighting
like literally all brushes light up at that value
works just fine
wooden pier
What should I do? I don't seem to remember anything about it at all.
honest stag
select any brush that's not a brush entity, then in the "Entity" tab find/add a light property and set it to, like, 300 for a pretty much fullbright level
so you're doing this on the worldspawn entity
wooden pier
Does it have to be done with only one brush or each?
wooden pier
Yeah, I think everything's ready. I'll try to check in the game. Thank you.
wooden pier
Oh god
honest stag
well maybe then 300 is a bit much but you get the point lol
honest stag
well as long as it doesnt blind you
wooden pier
Is it hard to make a skybox now? And the shadows?
honest stag
same as it was before with the skybox
shadows? what about them?
"light" on worldspawn lights up literally the entire level
so no shadows there
wooden pier
Yes, I can see that. But isn't there some way to make shadows?
honest stag
well you can lower the worldspawn light value and then have a light source stronger than that
which should give shadows
cuz "light" on worldspawn alone wont give you any, since there is no "point of origin" for the light
it's all brushes being lit up by that amount
wooden pier
hmm
I've seen how rays are made from brushes, can you do that with shadows? Handmade shadows, I mean.
honest stag
well you can just
cast a light behind the object
i dont know about a way to make just the shadow
for outside i hihgly suggest using _sunlight and _sunlight2
i can explain in greater detail if you need it
honest stag
ALL of the following properties are just slapped on worldspawn
for _sunlight to work, you need a skybox brush
literally like quake - just slap a skybox texture from that game - the brush will be invisible in-game but _sunlight is a sunlight value that sky brushes emit
also you need an angle - it's a property _sun_mangle (i think), it has a value of 3 numbers - x y z (since the brush is up high, the y value should be NEGATIVE, so for example i use 20 -45 0 where you play around with 20 for a better sun
also, if you JUST do _sunlight - any shadow will be literally just black and contrast will suck, so also add a property called _sunlight2 - this is an ambient light on all OUTSIDE areas which should be like 1/4 of the _sunlight value (imagine it as a fuck ton of light on the skybox itself that lights up the ouside and just the outside with no particular direction)
i'll show an example in a moment
here is a sky brush with a sky texture and all the properties i have for it to emit a slight blue moonlight
some sky textures
i think prototype.wad should have some sky textures too
the texture itself doesnt matter, it just needs to be a sky texture since again, the brush will be invisible in-game
phew
if you have any specific questions - shoot
wooden pier
you mean ask?
honest stag
same thing, just an expression
wooden pier
I just need some time
wooden pier
But to make the custom sky, I need a brush for the sky?
But I have an open landscape and I can't just make the sky from above. I saw Aqua skybox is just a huge box around the map, how big should it be?
honest stag
a huge box around the map is for sealing purposes
it helps a big with some bugs and, in future, will help with performance issues but for now it's not really needed
most my mpas just use a big brush high in the sky
and no, you dont need a brush for the sky to add a custom sky
if you check the screenshot, you can see a bunch of properties for sky sides
and that is for the images of the skybox
lemme explain
Skyboxes require six textures, and you set sky_up, sky_down, sky_left, sky_right, sky_front and sky_back to the texture names (which are located in your mod folder in the textures folder)
each side is the side of the cube-skybox
wooden pier
okay that seems easy
honest stag
aight
honest stag
np
gritty forge
I actually bought this sound effect off of Sound Ideas.
This was made with that sample. I had to match it up just right and had to keep it natural sounding.
So now, it's 44.1kHz stereo rather than 11kHz mono!
Also repaired this one. There is a section in between the two parts of the sound that I patched up. Now it sounds more natural and not like 2 sound effects.
Similar thing with this. I added reverb from an unused pistol sound to make it more natural, because the original sounds like it was cut off before the casings touch the ground.
gritty forge
Are you allowed to share that sample tho
gritty forge
It's royalty free, so yeah.
Does DUSK SDK still have that issue with sound effects fading in?
gritty forge
Ok.
bold orbit
So is the SDK going to have the dynamic music system (one part of the song loops out of combat, another loops while in combat) for custom tracks?
gritty forge
This was just a duplicate of the menu click. I made it sound more like an impact. It's much shorter now.
Okay, this one is better.
gritty forge
CC0?
drowsy dirge
Creative Commons 0 attribution
gritty forge
Well, isn't that distributable?
drowsy dirge
it's better than that
it's better than public domain even
because it's public domain with more legal clout
gritty forge
So, that means... What exactly?
drowsy dirge
not all places allow people to place their work into the public domain
it is concievable although incredibly rare that the heirs to an estate would want to reclaim that intellectual property
gritty forge
So, uploading it here is fine?
drowsy dirge
I dunno
whats the license for sound ideas
gritty forge
I don't even know. But they're so overused that I honestly don't care.
gritty forge
This is the water sound in action.
gritty forge
If anyone were to do high poly models, weapons viewmodels should have hands.
gritty forge
Yes it can. It's a 2018 title. I just think it would be interesting, at least for weapons. They don't need to be very high poly, but like... Gamecube era.
I guess Serious Sam Xbox.
Don't go for realistic, go for stylistic.
What if the guy who did that really good Quake HD texture pack; QRP; worked on Dusk textures?
And QRP is not the Quake Epsilon texture pack, that one sucks.
QRP was redrawn from the ground up, and even included textures for the two official mission packs.
i dont think they should have hands
it would destroy dusk's feelings
long anchor
It's a 2018 title that aims to look like something really old buh
also you can't improve BJ model and textures
they're already perfect
gritty forge
BJ?
Oh, Big John.
Well, I found the perfect ESRGAN model to preserve the art style of DUSK. It's called DigiPaint.
If you can't tell the difference, then that is a good thing.
Here's a more noticeable example.
Lower res textures like that rifle do result in some color noise, I'll fix that manually.
Here's a wallpaper for y'all
alpine depot
man that is super filtered
gritty forge
i ll just go with the default wallpaper
man that is super filtered
@alpine depot Well, I kinda had to... I dedithered first.
Maybe I should posterize it?
And like I said, these aren't the end-all-be-all. I will make manual adjustments whenever I feel it's needed.
Color noise will definitely be removed in the final product.
Plus, this isn't supposed to be an upgrade. This is just a test to see if ESRGAN can be used to preserve a game's artstyle. Dusk was a perfect place to start.
Mac SDK pretty please?? <333
Message Szymanski directly. He allows DMS unlike most devs.
How does this look? I gave it a circular motion blur since it's like a portal.
gritty forge
Is this less filtered now?
Looks nice to me.
Ok. I think the dedithering was definitely the issue.
@gritty forge Just so you know, I am upscaling the Dusk textures while keeping the artstyle intact. Adding detail is not what I'm trying to do.
gritty forge
Used Fatality 4x on this one, and I like the effect it came out with. Kinda like blood or spraypaint.