oh wait aren't furries banned on this server
#dusk-modding
solid isle
For reasons
long anchor
there was some kind of incident i'm not aware of?
long anchor
fair enough
solid isle
Yeah that's about it.
Causes drama among people with varying opinions. Which we tend to avoid, y'know?
long anchor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sly flicker
As I recall the statements that Avain and Lain have always made about it were in regards to the fact that those communities are heavily entrenched with NSFW stuff so it's easier and safer to just nix posting of their content outright
royal spear
Scalies prevail
honest stag
scalie? is that like something to do with scaling textures
bold orbit
Not it's a skin disease that leads to dry and scale like skin
There was a treatment for it but the animal required for it went extinct a few years back
(they needed ingredients from the animal poop not the animal itself)
It's pretty eff`ed up
gritty forge
pls join the spacemen voice channel
worn umbra
no thats scabies, Scalies is something that makes people frightened.
also how did the dusk modding channel get into a discussion on scalies
long anchor
gritty forge
For semi-not really dusk related reasons, does anyone know if the dusk 3d models are available for download anywhere? 🤔
ancient depot
They aren't, but you can rip them
There are several tools you can use to do so, UtinyRipper, Asset Studio, etc
gritty forge
Sounds goood. Thanks for the info!
honest stag
you can get the monster models in the IQM format right now from the sdk folders, which can be converted into fbx in Noesis to be imported into blender
it has one downside tho - the animations blend into a single one but you can separate then all manually
ancient depot
Yeah we'll probably do our own IQM plugin for Noesis to address its many shortcomings
The built-in one is very bare-bones
honest stag
it also seemes to make every single face separate from the mesh which is easily fixable but still
gritty forge
Good to know. The unity ripper does wonders for what I need right now. Just built a blender plugin for another game, needed some test models 😄 Thanks again folks.
spare haven
Anyone know a way to adjust or edit weapon damage?
honest stag
no such option yet
but you can edit the health of enemies in custom maps so there's that
spare haven
IS IT POSSIBLE TO LEARN THIS POWER?!
honest stag
trenchbroom is the supported mapping tool, it's used for quake but the sdk loads .bsp maps
very easy to learn
spare haven
So I can edit the health of enemies in the campaign?
honest stag
nope, we cant edit anything in the campaign
spare haven
;_;
honest stag
custom stuff only
well i mean we can change the textures sounds and models and all that, but no gameplay stuff
last talon
you'd have to make your own map for that
spare haven
Any chance of us being able to alter gameplay soon?
spare haven
I cant wait. I think the game would be so fun with a realism damage mod. Like dealing tons of damage but you also take tons of damage if you know what I mean.
honest stag
hideous dusktructor or something
spare haven
Whats that?
spare haven
Brutal doom has a realism mode that makes the damage feel like first person hotline miami lol
I love it
ancient depot
hideous destructor is peak realism modding
spare haven
You do you think the timeframe is for that script stuff?
Next three months?
Next year?
ancient depot
This year, but I don't know when
spare haven
Nice
honest stag
which is highly pog i must say
spare haven
I feel like the dusk modding scene would be huge
honest stag
well people do still flow in every time an update rolls out
so i'd imagine when the sdk is more complete - more people will show activity
like right now me and my pals are literally just waiting for the weapon models patch to start rolling out stuff we prepared
eventually
ancient depot
Yeah, plus there's coop coming afterward
spare haven
REALLY?!
ancient depot
Yeah Duskworld is being merged and coop is being added
spare haven
I was planning on buying my friend dusk for halloween. It would be perfect timing if it came out around that time.
ancient depot
Coop isn't currently planned for this year, but if the SDK is completed early, nothing's off the table
brittle trail
speaking of. hows the uh. hotfix for them bugs that came with the last update coming.
or is there a fix for it i havent found yet because im blind
long anchor
hideous destructor is peak realism modding
is it even more realisitc than Dead Air? cause in dead air you just you stumble when you walk and die
long anchor
imagine dusk with reloading
eternal plank
Yeah, i can just use the ssg
long anchor
imagine ssg take 10 seconds to reload
small gate
well people do still flow in every time an update rolls out
still waiting for scripting
gritty forge
imagine ssg take 10 seconds to reload
Imagine every weapon takes 10 seconds to reload.
ancient depot
speaking of. hows the uh. hotfix for them bugs that came with the last update coming.
It's on its way, I'm just busy with an important feature for Gloomwood
still raptor
we've got a lot of projects, as much as we love dusk, we do have to work on the others from time to time :P
honest stag
so what other stuff aside from unfourtunate spacemen and gloomwood do you work on? if that's not a secret of course
max ax?
cuz im assuming faith and ultrakill are pretty self-contained
still raptor
faith is the most self contained
we'll be getting more involved with ultrakill as time goes on, now that we're getting past the initial demo stuff
but yes, zombie and i bounce between a lot of stuff
bold orbit
Zombie is saving the gloomwood lights i bet
gritty forge
Zombie be like: I'm gonna write my own lighting system
ancient depot
gritty forge
hey zombie
ancient depot
what's up
ancient depot
gritty forge
What u up to man
ancient depot
Working on the aforementioned Gloomwood stuff rn
gritty forge
Are you making togglable lights
ancient depot
||maybe||
gritty forge
mayyyybe
gritty forge
Perhaps
bold orbit
With the lights and hands taken care of we need to find another feature request to terrify bring attention to Dillon with
eternal plank
Voice protag?
bold orbit
Pretty good idea!
I had "ironsights" as a dumb suggestion but yeah a voiced protag is a better idea
eternal plank
I am defo not just saying that because i'm playing Thief and every line Garrett says is literally perfect, no sir-e
bold orbit
DuskDude has a better voice actor though
just listen to that can go NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO when flushing down the toilet
eternal plank
Same scream as the Champion from AE btw
eternal plank
Huh
eternal plank
"NOOOOOOOOOOO" scream in Gloomwood when Dillon you fuck
sly cape
I finally moved all my shit in to my new place
now its time to get srs about DUSKvr and porting all the maps
eternal plank
Can't wait to see clips of people puking due to strafe-hopping in Duskvr
sly cape
You are going to see many clips of me puking due to strafe-hopping in DUSKvr
mostly because im trying to emulate the movement system as closely as I can
bold orbit
modern arts and fear books
swift solstice
So ive been trying to drag the dusk wad into trenchbroom and nothing is happening. Am I doing something wrong?
still raptor
there should be a popup when you do that asking for a path configuration
swift solstice
its weird, the pop up isn't appearing
worn umbra
where are you putting it?
swift solstice
Im dragging it to the editor like in the video on the dusk modding page
worn umbra
i think its outdated
there should be a show button to the left of "texture collections"
it should pop open a menu you can insert the wad in
swift solstice
I got it now! thank you. I just read the manual and saw that right before coming back here lol
honest stag
i am pretty tempted to record a troubleshooting video for trenchbroom
swift solstice
What are the biggest issues with it you think?
honest stag
textures missing in dusk, black textures in trenchbroom, the occasional person that renames worldspawn to a func_ and that screwes up the map, also people often ask where to get dusk entities
maybe more stuff that i forget
oh and the thing you had
oh and compiling issues
a lot of them
swift solstice
You should definitely go for it!
honest stag
i also should record a "how to import an enemy model into dusk" because why not
it's a pretty fucky process anyway
honest stag
actually i'll do that right now, even if it gets outdated
eternal plank
swift solstice
Cool! I'll be sure to watch it
honest stag
man i forgot what kind of can of worms this is
honest stag
man i did like 7 takes of the tutorial already because shit keeps breaking lmao
alright finally
now i'll just edit out a couple things and it's ready to upload
god i suck at speaking
honest stag
im bad at recording and tutorials and basically everything in life - but to my knowledge there isnt any other thing explaining this as of yet
honest stag
yes.
still raptor
a true genius
honest stag
the video is horrible but yeah
this is the equivalent of an indian dude tutorial except it's a guy with a horrible russian accent and fans spinning in the background with a shitty video quality
but hey it's better than nothing
i could probably make it in better quality but im afraid of dropping frames
wooden pier
Thank you for the video @honest stag I'm proud of you, son.
honest stag
ur whalecom
wooden pier
Don't you guys accidentally have a .map file that you wouldn't mind sharing? I want to get back to the mapping, but I need a good example.
And look at the editor limit
honest stag
editor doesnt really have a reasonable limit
and if you make a level that big - you should probably split it in 2 anyway
but sure lemme drop you a couple .map files
old map, but i went through the learning process with it
have fun with those
if you need more - maps by mcclone all have a .map file included in the download
veven's Lower has it too
dunno if aqua includes .map files in derailed and urban turmoil
maps by poolboy should have them too, and those are made on a way higher quality level than mine
(Enclave, Duskstein)
wooden pier
I knew the editor had no limitations, I meant that not all functions are read by the game itself. Anyway, thanks, I wanted to see something with my own eyes, not revise Dumptrack's tutorials. Although he was the one who taught me how to keep .map files in a public release.
Which I'll do if I go further than make a beach with water...
honest stag
tbh there should be a list of all currently supported functions
i guess that's not a priority since i ASSUME they all will be supported eventually? or most of them
but most vital stuff is there anyway
func_door_rotating works weirdly though
honest stag
func_door
func_illusionary
func_door_rotating
func_water should work
trigger_hurt, secret, once, multiple all work
func_button
multi_manager is a thing (check the new blood dev wiki for more info)
func_breakable
info_null should work
trigger_relay should work
trigger_changelevel (obviously)
func_pushable (never used myself, should work)
trigger_changemusic
trigger_counter
trigger_teleport
all the func_detail variations should work
trigger_auto is stated to partially work, never used it
func_wall
those are all the ones i know of
@wooden pier
ancient depot
multi_manager is from half life so the valve wiki works too for that
honest stag
I thought the explanation there was a bit too much for me lol
ancient depot
our implementation differs subtly from it in that we don't limit how many things it can trigger
honest stag
so i rephrased it a bit
ancient depot
but is otherwise the same
Yeah it's a bit of a weird entity to explain
since nothing else really works like it
wooden pier
tysm @honest stag 🥵
long anchor
JAJAJA this is great why so little likes
that's like one of the best things i've ever saw in comments section
wooden pier
And of course, this one's also on the top of the list
honest stag
can confirm this is what happens
long anchor
that's why you shouldn't make things like unity available for me
it's like legos but more advanced
i'll do horrible things with it
swift solstice
Its a good video, it gets to the point
honest stag
hahah the waiting room one?
wooden pier
Who those two guys in the back
swift solstice
Yes, and the one you made lol
honest stag
McClone (on the right) (pirate ship, undertow maps)
Aqua (on the left) (derailed, urban turmoil)
long anchor
beer books members if short
honest stag
lmao yeah all of us do
also while we're at it
if any of you bastards still havent played the Pirate Ship map by mcclone you're a goddamn criminal and you better fix that mistake
it's quite possibly the best map currently availible on at least the technical level
praise mcclone
the man went over and above with it
wooden pier
Lmao
honest stag
yet i barely see people say anthing about it
wooden pier
It has great audio tho
honest stag
fucking look at this
HE MADE SUN RAYS PEOPLE
if that's not enough to convince you to play this i dont know what will
and the music is amazing too
wooden pier
Thanks, now I'm coming to leave a comment in Civvie subscribers style 'Thanks Vriska'
honest stag
lol
long anchor
@ Civvie dusk mods vid when 
long anchor
yep
wooden pier
Civvie so great I mean he taught me to bought Blood and Thief Gold and his videos are hilarious
long anchor
he posted a bunch of tweets with vids and screens of his map(s)
long anchor
wait a sec
wooden pier
Wait map for what game
wooden pier
Omg
long anchor
wooden pier
where have i been
long anchor
yeah we didn't have any skyboxes back then
honest stag
not even the default "as-stalker-as-possible" cloudy sky
long anchor
that's the reason why I made a giant black box around the map
honest stag
yeah lol my bunker map has one too
long anchor
that was 50 times bigger than the map itself
ancient depot
Yeah earlier builds were very much "ok this is taking too long let's push this out so people can make shit"
honest stag
and people sure made some shit
ancient depot
I did lmao
Excited to start teasing the new update once I'm back into SDK dev soon
long anchor
dusk sdk made me learn to do a lot of things
honest stag
cant wait to get teased
yeah same
i dunno how i would ever get into mapping without it
hell i learned blender just for the sdk
ancient depot
Hearing shit like that fuels my purpose for existence
long anchor
thanks guys
honest stag
you fuel my purpose for existence~
ancient depot
😳
tepid python
I just make stuff because I don't feel like opening unity
honest stag
no one wants to open unity tbh
tepid python
and probuilder is kinda whack to use compared to trenchbroom
honest stag
valid reason
wooden pier
Oh look its @wooden pier
honest stag
it helps me to imagine each part of the level as an individual map rather than a whole thing
like for example when working on trespasser i kinda "split" the map into sectors, picked something to work on (like texturing) and went away on each sector
rather than thinking "fuck, i have to texture the ENTIRE map"
same with entity placements, decorations, lighting
all that stuff
wooden pier
It is tho
long anchor
I just do everything at once
wooden pier
If you look at the official maps on each one there is a unique place different from the other
long anchor
like
tepid python
who needs sectors when the map is just one joke
long anchor
i don't do blocking or something
who needs sectors when the map is just one joke
fair
honest stag
well trespasser was the first map where i actually did block off the map beforehand and it helped SO MUCH
i was making mansion for like 2 weeks and it's ass because i didnt block out the map, and trespasser was done in like a week (veven's work on that map was insane too but still)
yeah in official maps you can somewhat notice that rooms have a place in the level
and mostly not just another room
i also spent 2 weeks making the bunker map and it's tiny and dogshit
seriously you can fit bunker 4-5 times into trespasser
long anchor
hmm maybe I should do blocking
honest stag
try it out totally, it's super helpful
long anchor
or otherwise you guys won't ever get lower 2 or that other mod i told you about
wooden pier
I mean, there are several unique places/objects on the map, like a barn and a two-floor house
And I'm just thinking right now about what 'unique places' to fill out a map
honest stag
depends on the style of map really
wooden pier
And then I think to start from blocking ofc
long anchor
afaik house with two floors on second level don't have any actual purpose
long anchor
besides of getting ammo\guns and showing off imsim stuff that David made
honest stag
obviously this isnt gamedev 101 or something and everything is up to you - but i'd say unless your maps is designed to force the player to scavenge surroundings for suuplies - it's just going to make the map more confusing as you add more and more places
OR unless you have something legit worth going in for
like in my mansion map i have an optional Inn building that has a craptop of pistol ammo and a secret rifle
wooden pier
Yeah I think I played all of your maps
honest stag
sorry to hear that lol
long anchor
sorry to hear that lol
that's what i would've said to a person who listened to my music
Bunker 2 then
rather BUNKER 2 WHEN
honest stag
i sill like the concept of bunker i just wish i wasnt a lazy asshole that made it into a 3-minute map
wooden pier
Of course, I think the most important thing for a map is the story, some y know, background
honest stag
i mean there isnt much to say now aside from that map i'm currently making
still waiting for scripting for that to go anywhere
long anchor
make duskdude 4 times slower and add reloads
honest stag
oh come on i cant make an atmospheric slow mod whilehaving the player move at 200km/h
long anchor
^
wooden pier
I know I know
honest stag
lol
wooden pier
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
long anchor
imagine
slowly crawling through badly lit environment
then you hear a scream and some kind of horrific fucking shit runs towards you at 200km\h speed
long anchor
uh
make different monsters use slightly different sounds?
so you can't immediately differentiate them, but there's still some room for mastering your hearing skill?
long anchor
i don't blame you or something, i suggest what to do
wooden pier
Okay. There's too many accusations in my life so I must be reacting like this
swift solstice
How come there are no mods on Game Banana?
honest stag
it's better to have a single hub for mods
there are a couple mods on moddb that werent ported onto mod.io
in fact a map made by mashedpotato is probably one of the best ones in the entire sdk
shame it wasnt ported
this one to be exact
i dont know if it will work on the current version of dusk properly as it is very old
but it's also VERY good
ancient depot
We encourage uploads to mod.io because the game is going to get native integration with it in the future
Alongside Steam workshop
solar berry
Anyone know how to replace the base sounds in DUSK with other sounds
Preferably the weapon draw/fire audio files
ancient depot
Add the sound files to your mod, but with the exact same file names as the originals
When the mod is active, the originals will get overridden with yours
Note, the filenames must match exactly, so if the original sound is a .flac and your replacement is an .ogg, you need to rename it to end in .flac even if it's not actually a FLAC file
solar berry
I'm going to check the filenames first before I ask more questions, hold up
Originals are .flac and the ones I'm using to replace it are wavs
Renaming now
ancient depot
In the future we'll have a system to do more convenient sound replacements so you don't need to match file extensions
Because it's not super intuitive
solar berry
Hope it comes soon lmao
ancient depot
it's basically just an ini file
[Sounds]
weapons/shotgun/fire=sounds/my_custom_shotgun_sound.wav
Lets you override the path to any particular sound
# example resources.ini file
# changes soldiers into barney
[Models]
enemies/soldier=models/monsters/barney.iqm
[Sounds]
enemies/soldier/alert=sounds/barney/alert.wav
enemies/soldier/death=sounds/barney/death.wav
more useful example
solar berry
I'm not too great at reading code so I'll do the best I can
ancient depot
basically just name of sound = path to sound
name of model = path to model
etc
the mnt/local/dusk folder contains a resources.ini file with all the standard stuff
your mod can include its own resources.ini with overrides
ancient depot
hahahaha
It'll either be the next patch or the one after, we'll see
but either way that feature is planned to be in a public build 
solar berry
Anyways, I renamed the audio files to match the assault rifle's draw/fire sounds and it didn't load in
ancient depot
Is your mod enabled under the modding menu?
ancient depot
Hm, could you DM me the mod folder?
solar berry
Yeah give me a second
fluid nimbus
hey I haven't checked out the sdk in a while, can you replace weapon models yet?
cause I made a pretty cool nes zapper model a while ago with the intent of replacing the dusk pistol with it but back then it wasn't possible
tepid python
not yet
bold orbit
You can replace enemies
fluid nimbus
oof
pseudo hawk
I am going thru a common troubleshooting issue where dragging dusk.wad to trenchbroom does nothing. I also can't open up a window in Texture Collections to select the wad, because "Available Texture Collections" is already full with the Quake 2 textures. I think I went wrong somewhere on an earlier step
pseudo hawk
Seems like using Quake 2 instead of Quake 1 was the issue
still raptor
yeah quake 2's wad format is completely different
solar berry
@drowsy dirge
It's a WIP
I need to get better audio for the weapon sounds, I directly ripped them from the DOOM 2 wad file via SLADE
gritty forge
reminds me of Lost in vivo
honest stag
E1M9 in dusk is the level i believe
solar berry
Yes
Also the textures for the shell/casing ejections and health pickups became broken too
ancient depot
That's a bug with the current update
The lighting system was changed a bit which resulted in that happening to certain objects
solar berry
Darn
solar berry
Thanks a bunch
gritty forge
Nice work, CMor
long anchor
Nice work indeed
i'm not quite sure about pitched shotgun sound, and ssg sounds a bit louder than everything else, or maybe everything else is quiter than ssg lol
solar berry
That's the issue I'm trying to solve right now, the SSG audio was sent in by a buddy of mine, while the rest I directly ripped from DOOM 2
So that is why the pitching is all weird with the other guns
royal spear
It can be fixed by eyeballing the pitch
I had to make the gib sound 10% faster to make up for the lower pitch
solar berry
@royal spear Can you explain how?
I kinda hit rock bottom on trying to find the correct volume
stoic python
Just wondering- is there any sort of third party campaign for Dusk? I’ve completed it many times over and fancy something new 😄
still raptor
there are user maps
you can play those
and some of them are the start of campaigns those individuals are working on
stoic python
I’m aware, but they are just separate levels without any sort of real story like the actual campaign. And that’s interesting to see players are working on campaigns- are any of them released to the public and in a remotely finished state?
still raptor
uh yeah, i mean theres a few that link together
stoic python
I can’t seem to find any, so I joined this and wondered if anyone had links, or if they even existed haha.
still raptor
i cant remember which is which off the top of my head
im sure someone will pop in here shortly to correct me on what theyre called
stoic python
Alright- longest I’ve seen is just 4 maps put together in a sequence.
still raptor
yeah thats about right
stoic python
Oh right, okay.
still raptor
i dont think anyone has FINISHED a campaign
theres some 2-4 map long mini ones
but nothing of a proper length
stoic python
Yeah, I mean with the current scale of the campaign it’s a pretty big task
still raptor
i know theres like at least 3 in progress
stoic python
Ooh okay
I’m looking for something along the lines of another episode until an official DLC is made (although I doubt that for a while, as I’ve read)
Also came here for a full and completed guide on how to play Quake stuff in Dusk, so I might give that a try. Would it be possible to play Quake 1.5 maps in Dusk using the same method?
stoic python
Alright nice, now just to see if the Quake 1.5 cool shit will carry over ahah
still raptor
well any custom code etc from 1.5 wont (yet)
stoic python
Figured, but what about the textures?
still raptor
there are plans to support custom progs
stoic python
Alright
still raptor
yeah textures will
stoic python
Have custom enemies been implemented into the SDK yet?
still raptor
so, custom enemy MODELS have
stoic python
Full on Quake enemies in Dusk would be really, really cool.
still raptor
not custom ai behavior yet
stoic python
Alright
still raptor
you could pretty much do that, im surprised thats not a thing yet actually
you could port quake enemy models in
stoic python
With the custom enemy models is it just a replacement of the existing enemies, or making completely new ones?
honest stag
replacement
still raptor
replacement of existing enemies, new enemies will be available when scripting is
stoic python
Ah okay.
Is there a guide or anything on what the quake enemies will transfer over to in Dusk?
I.e the Soldiers in Quake being transferred over to the Possessed Soldiers over here in Dusk
stoic python
Cheers
honest stag
oh wow the thing i wrote actually helped someone
honest stag
not yet, but they said it's in the next patch
stoic python
Alright cool
Now just to find out how to import quake maps, replace the enemies and boom, we have Qusk
Or Duake
Hmm 🤔
solid isle
You can already import Quake maps AFAIK
stoic python
Indeed you can, i just don’t know how to do it lmao
honest stag
To make Quake maps playable in Dusk, each Quake entity is automatically replaced by a Dusk entity when starting the map
solid isle
^ that
stoic python
Oh ok
stoic python
Yeah I was talking about replacing the enemy models with the quake ones
solid isle
That would be rather pointless wouldn't it?
honest stag
well good thing i made a video on the entire process
1 moment
solid isle
might as well just play Quake at that point
stoic python
Quake won’t run at a suitable resolution on my machine
honest stag
also the movement and the guns are different
solid isle
What res you run at??
honest stag
solid isle
You've tried source ports?
solid isle
or even Darkplaces
stoic python
I’ve been meaning to give 1.5 a try since it was released- which should work
solid isle
you can download those and get them to work with Steam integration
by just renaming the EXE files
they give you complete modern support
widescreen, FOV, etc.
stoic python
Damn ok- I’ll definitely try that when I get back
solid isle
If you need help or anything, pm me or ask in here or smth
stoic python
Is there a complete (and not shitshow of) guide for importing quake maps into dusk?
Alright
Found a guide but it was made terribly and stuff didn’t work lmao
solid isle
Also yeah, it's fairly simple, though I don't have a guide off-hand, I could probably tell you how to
just not atm lmao
stoic python
Alright ok haha
solid isle
pretty busy and about to go to sleep so yeah
but just PM whenever if you want, or even ask some more in-depth questions here
you'll get your answers
honest stag
importing quake maps into dusk is pretty much just dropping a .bsp into a folder
and that's it
stoic python
From where, freequake.ru? lmao
honest stag
just avoiding the whole piracy talk
solid isle
yeah but we don't support non shareware BSPs 
honest stag
you can ask the quake mapping discord for them
stoic python
I have Quake itself, so I’d rather not go down the piracy route (and potential malware one too)
solid isle
if you do own Quake, there's tools to extract them
stoic python
Alright, well thanks for the help- I’ll look further into this myself in hopes to finally get Quake in Dusk
solid isle
You can use the pak explorer from here
top file afaik
lets you extract quake files
if you see me online tomorrow though, dont hesitate, i'm more than willing to help
I love Quake and Source engine modding
honest stag
custom models are a whole different can of worms and the guide might not cover some stuff you might run into btw
and it might downright break after a patch who knows
honest stag
well im pretty sure you can export them as .mdl, but for dusk exporting you need them in an iqm format, they might not have the same animation names either so that may not work
blender however has a plugin to export models as .iqm with all the animation stuff renamed, so it's a good idea to get them into blender with a format that supports animations
like fbx or something
still raptor
i would get pakexplorer
you can extract both the bsps to play in dusk
and the enemy models
from the .pak files in the quake install directory
very simple
you can even do it with the shareware
which is completely free and legal if you dont own quake
ancient depot
for the record a future patch will be able to detect quake being installed via steam and automatically mount it as a dusk mod
honest stag
🧠 💥
royal spear
@royal spear Can you explain how?
@solar berry use audacity, set the speed of the sound, and try to match the pitch in-game, then undo and do the opposite of that pitch. If a sound has a 10% lower pitch in game, then you speed up the sound by 10% to compensate
gritty forge
E🅱️ic
long anchor
for the record a future patch will be able to detect quake being installed via steam and automatically mount it as a dusk mod
same with half life
(potentially any half life mods you have installed as well)
wtf zom are you Carmack's son or something
🧠 💥
ancient depot
lol
it's probably one of the easiest things I've done so far
Steam just straight up has a function that tells you where a game is installed
ancient depot
and detecting half life mods is as easy as just checking for folders that have a GameInfo.txt file
long anchor
okay sure but what if there's no such file
i've got a bunch of mods installed and none of them have it lol
ancient depot
then the mod wouldn't be detected, by dusk or steam
long anchor
they are detected
long anchor
ah, that
ancient depot
liblist.gam
gritty forge
liblist
long anchor
lib
brittle trail
when u pwn a liblist with WADs and logic
long anchor
bouns point for nuclear throne
brittle trail
brittle trail
but uhm. i cant wait to see the SDK being worked on again bc. i love DUSKa lot, but i can only get so much out of the main campaign and endless.
also. that might be a bit Nuttybc youd be basically turning an episodic fps with premade levels into a roguelite with procedural generation
and. fuck. i dont wanna think about the Wacky shit youd have to pull off to make that even slightly work
long anchor
when dusk get opensourced you can literally do anything
aaaaand
also. that might be a bit Nuttybc youd be basically turning an episodic fps with premade levels into a roguelite with procedural generation
I can just make a legit campaign set in NT universe
why no
long anchor
sure
imagine desert-ish uplands and rifts with wooden bridges, bandit camps and such
Imagine ruined scrapyards filled with trash, rusty metal and maybe even some ruins
brittle trail
actually exploring something that looks like an abandoned, frozen-over city
long anchor
^
brittle trail
i like the concept of the actual areas being its own episode, and the mid-areas between each main area (sewers, crystal caves, labs...) are like. the last couple levels in each episode. and the area boss of the episode serves as the miniboss, while each episode actually ends with fighting those bosses for those mid-areas you'd find in loops
bold orbit
Did you have fun making nothing?
long anchor
sure
actually no, I did something
this abomination: https://youtu.be/HW7lVM6eE1I
and it's not just stoopit meme a made in photoshop in 1 minute
I figured out C#, Unity and video editing to make stoopit meme
it's not as complicated compared to other things people make, but hey, it's more than nothing
bold orbit
if you had fun then it wasn't nothing
small gate
If you learned something new, then it really wasn't nothing.
bold orbit
If you learned nothing, at least you learned where not to look for learning
long anchor
if you had fun then it wasn't nothing
If you learned something new, then it really wasn't nothing.
yeah that's what I meant
gritty forge
lmao
sharp trail
Did you have a stroke?
honest stag
this is a map that will be out literally today so yeah
just y'know if someone wants a thing to play
honest stag
yo folks, is teleporting in itmes working now?
i remember trying to teleport in a healthkit a while ago with no success
honest stag
have you already finished it?
it's like really short
if so, tell me whaddyea thing
czu i need feedback on the combat
sharp trail
yea its really gud
honest stag
thank you, i think i need to work on the ammo placement
sharp trail
one thing that i kinda didn't like is that the hallway was really bright
like the last one
honest stag
oh yeah true
honest stag
glad you like it
long anchor
Yeah i liked it too
didn't really have problems with ammo or something but I killed everyone and there was still one guy left somewhere lol
bold orbit
Ggdnfntnrne it's really good holy shit
fair fog
Wait this game has mods.
long anchor
yeah it's been like 8 months or something
still raptor
ooh i gotta play this later
late gust
by any chance guys is the dusk sdk on gog up to date?
still raptor
not currently, it will be updated when the next hotfix is finished
sharp trail
wait is que music a thing now?
solar berry
If I were to make custom textures, where should I look?
honest stag
dusk>SDK>mnt>local>dusk>textures
it's honestly mostly trial and error for weapons, but i can dig up UV maps for most monster models
solar berry
I know where to search for them lmao, I'm asking if I wanted to make my own to replace the default ones, where should I look
honest stag
not sure i understand what you mean by "where to look"
do you mean texture making software?
or the process of replacing them itself
solar berry
Texture making software I guess
honest stag
a dude i know makes dusk textures using aseprite
says it's easy to use and he did some outstanding work using it
@long anchor is the man
tepid valve
i use medibang. should be fine
long anchor
no i'm just using aseprite because I don't like drawing in photoshop
aseprite is mostly for pixel art I think
and what I did was not a pixel art
also, damn, my opinion is not that authoritative, I literally just watched one vid on YT and the textures themself are not that good in comparison to legit pro made textures
solar berry
I think I came up with a solution, SLADE, it has a texture editor and so far it has been efficient
wooden pier
can't stop chuckles from this image
sharp trail
send sand wad?
wooden pier
Imagine wad consisting only of sand
There's actually more sand textures here so it's true
honest stag
keep beach city weird
oh my god
wooden pier
wha
honest stag
well shit i know that reference
wooden pier
haha YAS
I want to place it on a huge water tower model
I'm so glad the reference is clear, there'll be more of them
wooden pier
I think it doesn't matter, I love this show and the inscription really fits the dark setting of the game
A kind of appreciation
honest stag
well i'll be sure to find every single one when you finish the mod
how long have you been making that map of yours btw?
honest stag
ah i see
wooden pier
I can't figure out the landscape and I keep putting off the project
And I'm sitting too much in Blender
honest stag
i highly suggest making a layout of the map first and detailing it second
it saves sooooooo much time and pain later on, take it form someone who got stumped on this exact thing many many times
just start making rooms made out of 4 walls a celling and a floor to think up some kind of progression and keep going till you feel good about it
then the actual work starts
wooden pier
i highly suggest making a layout of the map first and detailing it second
it saves sooooooo much time and pain later on, take it form someone who got stumped on this exact thing many many times
this what i want to do first
Thanks for the interest, it's a little motivating
honest stag
and by layout i downright mean valve-styled dev textures with no detailing to brushes literally at all
here lemme get something for you
literally just a ton of dev textures that help you do this exact thing
honest stag
np
wooden pier
like this new one
It's not polished yet, but whatever
Some sources say that this Euripides quote
thinking of it
long anchor
russian detected
bonus point for aseprite
go aseprite users go
sorry for my goldfish memory, wasn't there someone who was making a mod set in Pripyat or something?
long anchor
how exactly
long anchor
well I noticed it just now
wooden pier
haha ok
long anchor
and my english
if your english isn't perfect that doesn't mean you're automaticaly russian lol
wooden pier
i didn't mean it lol
it's not perfect exactly to start doubt what I'm native englishman
long anchor
okay then
wooden pier
yeah fuck this topic
long anchor
I notice bad english only if it's, like, really bad
(or if i'm the one who writes the message lol)
gritty forge
yee
is just loads the bsp file so you can use whatever map editor/bsp compiler you want
wooden pier
Wow I kinda like the result
silk swan
Guys, im a dumbass who always wanted to learn how to make maps for games but never got around to it. Do you think DUSK can be a good starting point?
still raptor
Yes
gritty forge
Sure bro
mortal narwhal
whom'st'd've
gritty forge
yo
cosmic bridge
Hey, I saw that the music queue function is a thing now, but I don't know how to use it. Do I have to make a separate entity for that, or can it be on the same one?
Also, what is the music queue command exactly?
honest stag
it's an entity trigger_changemusic with a single property music
it's value is music/mycooltrack.flac, where the music folder is in your mod folder
and the music track is whatever you want
i dont know what works other than .flac tho, .ogg i think?
alpine depot
ogg works too
i prefer ogg because you can compress the shit out of them and the quality is still superb
cosmic bridge
Oh, ok, I knew that. I saw someone earlier say something about a queue, didn't realize it was the same function. Ok, thanks!
ancient depot
There's no queuing functionality yet, you can only change music directly
A queue feature is planned though
If you know the exact length of your music tracks you could fake a queue with timers or something I guess
cosmic bridge
Yeah, I was thinking of doing something like that. Thanks anyways!
chrome wagon
Question from someone who's been offline since february: when was the last time dusk sdk got updated?
(I mean, last monster model update)
honest stag
june/july
chrome wagon
Oks
sharp trail
Replace them
clear flare
it's need to be in the same sound file and name?
sharp trail
make a folder in the Dusk/SDK/mnt/local folder and name it after your mod. Create a "sounds" folder in your mod folder. Check the name of the sound you want to replace and and name your custom sound after it(make sure it's in the right directory). Load up the dusk sdk, click "Modding" and activate the mod. Make sure to place your mod above "DUSK base content" with the arrows next to the name. Click the apply button. If you did everything right the dusk sound should be replaced with your custom sound.
eternal sail
Not all sound replacement works tho as of now. As I am aware, its coming 
sharp trail
yes
bold orbit
S O O N
eternal sail
Someone here was successful with that, I think. I was more aiming at the voicelines, standing by for the update.
solar berry
I'm jumping through a lotta metaphorical gymnastics to try and increase the volume of the weapon sound replacement mod I'm working on
raw jacinth
So how far along is the Dusk modification tools, modding, maps.etc? Is it still in some sort of "Beta" phase?
still raptor
yes its still in beta
you can make maps pretty easily though
and non-map mods are progressing quickly
crimson quest
Wow I kinda like the result
@wooden pier How'd you low res that?
Also, I've been using Trenchbroom for mapping and is there any way to do decals (like infodecal)? I probably need to reconfigure my settings from quake to half-life, don't I?
crimson quest
Alllllllso, has anyone gotten object_jump_pad to do anything? Currently it just spams the jump noise and doesn't send you anywhere
bold orbit
you gotta give it a key of "amount" and a value of "[whatever you want]" to make it do something
unsure how well it helps but this is how I have mine set up in Jack
crimson quest
unsure how well it helps but this is how I have mine set up in Jack
@bold orbit Gotcha, thanks
bold orbit
Does anyone know if Killtarget works on enemies currently (If a specific enemy dies, it triggers a door, ect)
analog isle
Hello, I was tryng to put the dusk.wad into trenchbroom but I cant, anyone knows how to solve it?
nvm I figured it out 
bold orbit
👍
crimson quest
Alright, been fussing with this four hours, can anyone give me hands-on help with getting my textures to compile to be transparent?
honest stag
i assume you're using a dusk.wad without transparent stuff, lemme link you one with actual transparency
crimson quest
Nah I found it
crimson quest
You're right though, I juuuuust found it, still not working though
honest stag
not working? they should be fine
are you sure you replaced the texture itself with a transparent one?
crimson quest
I have a func_wall with renderamt 255 and rendermode 4. I've also tried rendermode 1
honest stag
how does it look in-game?
you dont need rendermode for transparent textures like ladders or fences, but i think renderamt should be <255 for it to be trasnparent
try 0-100
crimson quest
Ah ok
honest stag
also rendermode 1 is the one that works
crimson quest
Umm can I not post images?
drowsy dirge
not until you become rat
crimson quest
Ah
honest stag
yeah this server has an anti-spam thing, just link an imgur link and it should be fine
crimson quest
That's with what I did before your advice, now let's try that out
Left is rendermode 1 and right is rendermode 4
honest stag
the wad with transparent textures should be fine by itself though, try removing rendermode and renderamt altogether and then find the same texture in the dusk_transparent wad
crimson quest
From left to right: renderamt 100, rendermode 1; rendermode 1; rendermode 4; nothing;
Yeah, just to confirm I'm using the dusk_transparent wad alone
crimson quest
Huh ok
honest stag
this is really odd
did you remove all renderamt/rendermode from one of them?
oh wait i see now
bold orbit
If it still doesn't work, you might have to edit the textures manually so the parts that are meant to be cutout are filled with solid blue (B255 R0 G0) and export those textures as bmp so it doesn't artifact, and again re-import them with the { in the texture titles
Actually that solid blue thing might just be the fgd I use in tandem with the dusk one
honest stag
no this shouldnt be needed at all - the transparent textures wad worked for everyone else
hmmmm
maybe it's this specific texture, i'll check
bold orbit
crimson quest
I see
honest stag
checking rn
bold orbit
The textures I'm using here have their void space filled with R0 B255 G0
crimson quest
I mean I'm not doing any custom textures, just using the base dusk_transparent.wad
Maybe it's my compile settings?
honest stag
yeah
bold orbit
Yep
crimson quest
metal_bars2
bold orbit
it's missing the {
crimson quest
How can I edit that in?
bold orbit
Before you do
Vriska is the { in your transparent textures
Cause I don't truly know if the { is just a jack thing
honest stag
the transparent textures wad is missing the { on that texture specifically
honest stag
try scrolling way down, you should find some other textures that might work
bold orbit
Or thaat
bold orbit
Bumpmaps when zombie
bold orbit
https://valvedev.info/tools/wally/
You can use thi-
Wtf
Wym it's not working
give it the rendermodes
bold orbit
It's good to try at least
honest stag
do you see the transparency in the editor?
bold orbit
If it's not working by default
honest stag
if not - it wont work
crimson quest
do you see the transparency in the editor?
@honest stag Nope
honest stag
can you screenshot the textures and dm it?
ancient depot
rendermode is for translucency on the object, it won't give the texture transparency
drowsy dirge
does dusk use an alpha layer or a specific color to represent transparency?
honest stag
the ones you are trying to use
crimson quest
rendermodeis for translucency on the object, it won't give the texture transparency
@ancient depot Thought sooooo
honest stag
this is how the transparent ones look
ancient depot
It uses the last palette index (255) as transparency if the filename begins with {
bold orbit
My life is a lie
crimson quest
FFS I wasn't scrolling down far enough
honest stag
lmao told ya to scroll way down
bold orbit
Everything about quake mapping I've ever known is a lie
honest stag
well at least we figured it out
crimson quest
It WASSSS { textures I was looking for
bold orbit
I am truly a "fake ass bitch"
crimson quest
Wow, mystery solved, I should have made sure of the texture when you told me to check it @honest stag
honest stag
np mango
crimson quest
thanks a lot guys
drowsy dirge
I did not know that dusk used a color palette
Very cool
bold orbit
Dusk is pretty much new quake
drowsy dirge
it's on my list of games to buy as soon as I have spare cash
crimson quest
I hope it gets a lot more popular soon, DUSK brings so much of the glory that quake 1 mapping is
it deserves the spotlight
honest stag
what you still dont have it?
want me to gift it to ya?
unless i have a region lock
ancient depot
Dusk itself doesn't use a colour palette, but Quake maps contain embedded textures which are paletted
Dusk converts them to truecolor at load time
drowsy dirge
what would I owe you for the pleasure @honest stag
drowsy dirge
I can't promise anything but if I do get into dusk modding, you'd be the first to know
honest stag
ey sounds sick
bold orbit
Dusk is worth the money
bold orbit
You cannot get a better deal on macaroni art
honest stag
aight let's try it
drowsy dirge
do you collect game gifts
drowsy dirge
Hey it's cool
at least we get to be steam friends
ancient depot
Yeah I hate that shit
honest stag
true
ancient depot
It'd be nice if they'd at least let you just pay in the recipient's currency or something
drowsy dirge
Only guy ive seen on steam from the NB discord is Avain
bold orbit
Just fuggin charge extra/less depending on region
ancient depot
Yeah
honest stag
yeah exactly
crimson quest
When do I get rat status?
drowsy dirge
participate in discussions and it'll happen
crimson quest
ayy ty
drowsy dirge
I asked the same question when I got on here initially the big guys told me that they dont want to talk about how it works too much in fear of the system being abused
crimson quest
Makes sense
bold orbit
Memes do not contribute
honest stag
isnt it literally messages sent counted
honest stag
lmao alright alright
crimson quest
lol
still raptor
Here ill fix it
bold orbit
Hello 500
still raptor
hello
honest stag
Hello 500
bold orbit
May I ask why 500_pts was chosen for your username?
still raptor
well
it was me being into arcade games where killing enemies gave you score , where like a little "500" would pop up when you killed them, and i thought "hey im so good that if you kill me in a game, i should also be worth 500 points instead of just 1 point"
i picked that when i was like 12 or whatever, so i thought i was very clever at the time
ancient depot
lore
still raptor
yes huge lore
bold orbit
Thank you for the story. It's very interesting how stuff as simple as that can stick with people for so long
drowsy dirge
I believe someone on here was saying they were making a fully featured map with destructible objects and stuff on here, even custom modeling
Now that I have dusk I can tell this game has a huge modding potential
it's quake bsps right
bold orbit
That was either vriska or me
honest stag
destructable objects arent really a big deal since it's just func_breakable
bold orbit
Minus the modeling
ancient depot
func_breakable objects make a big difference in a map so if Dusk 2 happens I hope maps are absolutely filled with breakable shit
honest stag
pretty sure every map by now has them
bold orbit
It's less the impressiveness of everything being breakable but more so the polish of it being there
honest stag
true
ancient depot
yeah that too
bold orbit
It's neat to know that someone took the time after crafting a world to go in, split up the bits and make them interactible to an extent
honest stag
i cant wait for the weapon custom models, altought i'll have to actually go through and animate/resize them all
bold orbit
Even if it might not be appreciated (or even discovered) by everyone who actually plays the map
honest stag
made them beforehand tho
drowsy dirge
can you mark a bsp brush as a physics object?
honest stag
func_pushable?
bold orbit
I'm still on the fence for the custom weapons I can do for my map
I think he means pick up and throw
Uh, Zom would that be possible without another child sacrifice?
bold orbit
Alright
drowsy dirge
are there examples of func_pushable in Dusk?
im playing the second level for the first time
bold orbit
Not nessecarily as DUSK itself doesn't use quake entities iirc, just whatever equivalent david made in unity
Unless I'm 100% wrong
ancient depot
You're correct
If you want an example of func_pushable, think of boxes and tables in Half-Life
bold orbit
Tbf the goats are the cutest enemies in the game because their models look more like squooshy plush toys
drowsy dirge
but you're saying this game is written in unity?
is there a dev console I can access to load custom wads/maps?
bold orbit
I think there's a fake console in the game somewhere that's just turned off
But you can noclip by typing nbclip and that's about it
drowsy dirge
how do people load custom maps then