this is one of the greatest updates yet
#dusk-modding
alpine depot
long anchor
are you releasing update now?
alpine depot
soon, i have to update derailed too
long anchor
Then maybe we'll do our part until you're done
gritty forge
bouncy lights
alpine depot
i assume bossname only works on the boss enemies?
ancient depot
yes
ancient depot
that'll be fixed with scripting because scripting involves a full rewrite of the AI
alpine depot
oh boy
ancient depot
did d3d11 fix performance btw
alpine depot
yup
still raptor
luckily dusk ai is very simple
ancient depot
interesting
alpine depot
kinda lags a bit regardless but Urban Turmoil's a massive fucking map so it's understandable lol
still raptor
tbh rewriting the gameplay stuff is probably the easiest part of the sdk lol
ancient depot
itll be improved in due time
and yeah definitely
the hard part is getting the assets out of the project
ESPECIALLY models
it's hard to automate because every model has like some subtle difference that breaks automation
still raptor
yep
ancient depot
I have to do a ton of manual work
long anchor
Wait you don't have origs?
alpine depot
they vibin
still raptor
well he has to fix the originals
ancient depot
we do, but the animations for many models weren't done in blender
still raptor
because the originals arent ideal
long anchor
Oh okay
ancient depot
so if we just exported them we'd be missing animations and need to figure out scales etc
alpine depot
lol models animated in unity confirmed
long anchor
Vibe check checked
ancient depot
the leatherneck is the worst one
long anchor
Best update ever
ancient depot
okay so
death animations in dusk are actually an entirely separate object
the enemy is deleted and a corpse is spawned
long anchor
Thats why hes not included
ancient depot
the leatherneck has a subtly different skeleton for both versions
the chainsaw is a bone in the death animation but it doesnt exist in the others, it's just attached to the hand with an offset
the location of the chainsaw in the hierarchy also differs
those subtle differences make it HELL to export, which is why it's one of the few enemies you can't replace so far
long anchor
Sounds really broken
ancient depot
turrets and nargle are the others
nargle doesnt really have issues, it just needs more features in order to work (separate AI, tentacle collision, etc)
oh my bad I forgot cart dog too
because turrets and cartdog animate but have no skeletons so I have to generate them
alpine depot
alright, time to test out the new and improved derailed
if it works it's gonna be so badass
alpine depot
nearly an hour later i got it to work lol
it seems like the trigger itself doesnt work if you dont trigger it from another trigger using targetname
if you walk into it, music doesnt play
but have a trigger_once trigger the trigger_changemusic and it works fine
oh and also wendigos arent invisible anymore, but they still play the reveal sound and your flashlight still flickers when you first see them
some animation speeds are now really wonky, the guardian walks like three times as fast and plays the firing animation too fast and only plays it once
black phillips walk a bit slower than normal as well
long anchor
about wendigos - I think it's this: https://discordapp.com/channels/240195284695646209/586508960128040961/727559133141794947
alpine depot
i mean i dont think the idle animation controls their invisibility
i do notice the soldier t-pose, kinda funny lol
long anchor
i mean i dont think the idle animation controls their invisibility
it might be it, considering Zom's horror stories about Dusk's models
wait they can be invisible while not idle
hmm
I have no idea how it works but maybe wendigo's invisibility works like a model's effect?
alpine depot
aight gamers, derailed and urban turmoil have been updated 😎
ancient depot
Yeah the animation speed thing will be fixed, that's not really a bug in the game but rather an issue with the model files themselves
I have a hunch about the wendigo, itll be looked into
bold orbit
Good ol deer
bold orbit
What?
hard pollen
This
gritty forge
He be goin
long anchor
vibin'
bold orbit
I require context
bold orbit
can chomper survive out of water
ancient depot
yeah chompers will transform into flying enemies out of water iirc
tepid python
I hope someone replaces the chomper model with a bird now
ancient depot
not even sure if I wanna fix it tbh
tepid python
its a feature
bold orbit
I was hoping he'd just slide along the ground like a wormywoo but I can work with a birdfish
unique ocean
Cant wait for someone to implemet HDusk models now
honest stag
jeez could you imagine if dusk was made with mod support in mind initially
bold orbit
the best part about compiling your dusk map
is that the geometry and map itself compiles in 30 seconds
but the lighting takes all day
alpine depot
lol i feel that pain so much
coral beacon
hey guys! its been long huh im back to mapping after a half year with the fourth level of Criadus, anyway i forgot how to func_breakable works anyone can help?
bold orbit
Do you have the fgd?
coral beacon
whats fgd?
bold orbit
are you using trenchbroom or jack
coral beacon
trenchboom
bold orbit
Not exactly sure how TB works but at the least, they need a key of "health" and a value of "[what you want the health to be]" and a key of "material" and a value of any number between 0 and 8 for what they are made out of
coral beacon
ok trying something now
bold orbit
0 is glass, 1 is wood, 2 is metal, 3 is flesh, 4 is concrete, 5 is ceiling tile, 6 is computer, 7 is unbreakable glass, and 8 is rocks
coral beacon
thx it worked!
hey so around when i stopped mapping costum skyboxes were introduced how do i use them?
honest stag
you need to add some worldspawn properties
a total of 6, for each side of the cube
and add the side textures to your mod folder
so it would look like this
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"
the file names are anything obviously
coral beacon
ok thanks!
coral beacon
wait you can do that? wow awsome! how do i do that?
subtle trellis
Heyo total trenchboom noob here. I made a simple map and added some lights but I am getting weird flickering every once in a while
honest stag
make sure there are no duplicate brushes inside of each other
subtle trellis
hmm no dups that are intersecting
honest stag
yes like inside of each other
subtle trellis
It's like a soft flash across the screen every second or so
coral beacon
is it texture thats glitching or is it generely everywere
subtle trellis
There is a white sort of flashing, seems like lights
coral beacon
hmm that seems.. new
honest stag
im 10000% sure it's z-fighting cuz there are duplicate brushes
...99% sure
did you delete a brush that was flashing?
coral beacon
i had something that sounds simular sometimes when i pause periodicliy the lights goes black every like 3 seconds i can simply go in again to fix it but it seems like a other type of problem all tho i think my "problem" has the same couse or something
mybe its just something diffrent also not that into mapping as vriska
subtle trellis
I removed all the lights, then added one and it is flickering
subtle trellis
I sent you the map
coral beacon
me and optimus kept troubleshooting and found out it wass cuz of his sdk version (it flickerd in regular levels while being sdk as well) does someone know what to do if something like this happens?
honest stag
there are different launch options so might try those out
alpine depot
i know just the launch option, 1 sec
run the sdk with launch options -force-d3d11
i had the same issue
subtle trellis
-force-d3d11 totally fixed it!
floral falcon
has anyone else had issues where larger mods like trespasser crash dusk, i tried using -force-d3d11 but it still crashed
turns out i forgot the f in -force-d3d11
honest stag
F
high magnet
Harrier Jump Jet
honest stag
didnt someone make a jet that looked almost exactly like this a while ago
tepid python
So when the sdk is fully done is it going to be open source like I remember reading somewhere in the past or is it just going to be fully moddable?
bold orbit
Is there a difference when the engine is Unity
tepid python
yes
bold orbit
I'm pretty sure zom said that anything that can be adjustable will be(?)
gritty forge
Yes it'll be on the NewBlood github
still raptor
Yep, open source is the plan
bold orbit
Inb4 we get dusk total conversions
still raptor
yeah, i mean, the hope is when its done, people can use it as a framework for whatever they want
bold orbit
Would it be possible for a commercial release of a dusk total conversion or would it using Unity complicate that
tepid python
pog Dusk on Android will be possible
still raptor
in theory
but youd have to do a LOT of modification
it wont be as simple as pressing build
long anchor
yeah, i mean, the hope is when its done, people can use it as a framework for whatever they want
duskball
multiplayer soccer or whatever
oh oh
quest for dusk
giant mmo with BJ as main antagonist
ok my seizures of stupidty are over
upper veldt
bj?
bold orbit
Blazko
gritty forge
This means that in 20 years we can have GZDUSK
uneven rose
lol
small gate
Brutal HDusk, on only GZDusk
upper veldt
wouldnt running hdusk with brutal dusk result in getting instakilled by fork maidens though
small gate
that's the entire point of it tho
still raptor
I think you're missing you're palette
cosmic bridge
Hey, is there a way to script a map to where the music changes once an enemy is aggro'd? Just out of curiosity
coral beacon
no i dont think so...
oh and umm my version of dusk sdk is super bugged i used the -force-d3d11 thing and the only thing that changed is that this thing appeared where the spawnpoint is
also chompers have the texture of boneballs and cartdogs are invisible
naive otter
alpine depot
whats your problem?
alpine depot
thats weird
i think these issues are the same for everyone
like, i'm experiencing a problem where wendigos aren't invisible anymore
and a bunch of animations are acting weird, like they're faster or slower than normal
or only play once (like the guardian's firing animation)
alpine depot
wait for an update i guess
ancient depot
Yeah these are known problems, it'll be fixed, the random cube is Dusk's equivalent of the error model
ancient depot
Technically I could add support for one
so the cube would become the error model for the error model
sturdy tide
make it an H
alpine depot
man i cant wait to go absolutely NUTS with changemusic
think we could get like, a fade keyvalue? where fade is the key and a number is the time it takes to fade from the current song to the next
because all of the abrupt cuts to silence in my maps are kinda funky
fortunately it fits nice for after the intense sequences where i currently use changemusic but i have some ideas in mind for some ambience transitions that'd be much better with a fade of sorts
long anchor
Zom make this new error model or refund 
honest stag
long anchor
POG
honest stag
i actually have that error replacement mod permanently on my GM
long anchor
If you say so
ancient depot
@alpine depot I'll look into adding that for sure
honest stag
after all the model work is done, could we get a place_model feature for maps? 👀
actually i dont remember the name of the function
but yeah the thing that just places a custom model
ancient depot
that's the plan
haughty marten
ivory magnet
Still the same
Remember to select the correct branch after entering the access code
ancient depot
The SDK branch is no longer passworded
honest stag
what file are you looking for?
honest stag
have fun with mods :)
honest stag
also time to add the "model" category into the dusk mods website lol
ALSO
since the sword has additional animations being block and charge, how does one name them while exporting the model?
and how does one specify on which frame should the animation stop to hold the charge/block
2 separate animations for raising the sword for a block and another for putting it down? hard questions
mortal narwhal
try removing the light key in your worldspawn @alpine depot
It looks like your map has a minimum light value anyways
alpine depot
bruh
tepid python
too much light
alpine depot
yeah thats the sweet spot
itd be better if i had fog
and also more skyboxes
im gonna look for the latter now actually
sharp trail
you can see part of the skybox through the dead tree texture on the right
but other than that it looks neat
alpine depot
yeah ill sort that out easy once the rest of the map is done
because i'll just extrude downward on the detail terrain behind the actual map so it'll reach to the trees and cover up the skybox
or smth like that
still raptor
remind us to look at fog again
alpine depot
ok
look at fog again :)
from what i could tell you got it really close already which is damn neat
still raptor
thats something thats incredibly easy to add, but the problem is more about making it compatible with existing fog systems
quake/hl/etc
alpine depot
im more excited for the weapons hotfix than fog rn lol
still raptor
we could add a fog key to worldspawn in like 10 minutes
but itd just be dusk specific and not work correctly for quake/hl
which means we would have to undo the work when we go to actually make it compatible
alpine depot
with all the work you're putting into the SDK someone could probably make an actual standalone game out of it eventually
mega hyped for more updates 😎
gritty forge
Freedusk when?
upper veldt
what would all the free assets look like doe
still raptor
That will be doable when the sdk is open sourced
gritty forge
Does the sdk support paper models?
gritty forge
paper models
small gate
dudes out here shooting paper mario goomba smh
bold orbit
We aint never getting another ttyd
cosmic bridge
Hey, I've been trying to make it to where a wall breaks once a room is cleared of enemies, is there a way to do that? I figured it would have to be a breakable, but I'm having trouble finding the option to do that
onyx marten
uhh you would need a func_counter for that, I think we have that? I'm not sure
@cosmic bridge yeah we have that, here's how I set it up in a map of mine
ancient depot
we have trigger_counter yeah
alpine depot
A quick rundown of how you do it:
-
Add a
trigger_counterpoint entity. Have this entity target whatever you want to break when the sequence completes, in your case afunc_breakable; so set the trigger_counter's target to be the targetname of the func_breakable. -
Add a targetname to the trigger_counter. For this example I'm gonna call it
counterBreakto fit your intentions better. Add acountkey value with the number of enemies you'll have in the room. If you'll spawn in four enemies, setcountto 4. -
In your enemies, set their target key values to be the targetname of the trigger_counter, so set it to
counterBreak.
not sure if im missing something
gritty forge
Nice
cosmic bridge
Alright, thanks for that, just what I needed
alpine depot
😎
static lintel
if i wasnt dumb
i would like
recreate hotline miami in dusk
since duskmare is moslty 1 shot
honest stag
i think i managed to export a dusk model into blender?
it's broken but hmmm
oh wow ok
even though the animations got squished into 1 line, i can still try and split them up and then export back after making changes
pog
bold orbit
Pogdog
gritty forge
ive got some cool concepts for mods but i have no programming experience
honest stag
scripting isnt availible yet and wont be for a while, so might as well start learning eh?
magic
tepid python
Blender always looks like witchcraft
still raptor
You can
trenchbroom has an export to obj function
\which can then be converted to iqm pretty easily
the main problem is you cant texture or animate or do uvs in tb
bold orbit
wait, you can't adjust brush UVs in TB?
bold orbit
duke nukem has taken some weird turns
alpine depot
"HELL I'D STILL HIT IT"
tepid python
stop it
long anchor
beer books is wonderful place
these monsters made me draw bikini and watch vacuum cleaner commercials
bold orbit
I did nothing
lyric swallow
"SHAKE EM BABY"
lyric swallow
where can i find the sdk?
still raptor
branch on steam
honest stag
hey will we get mortar grenade/rivet models to replace?
alpine depot
i wanna replace the grenades with vacuum cleaners
gritty forge
Big John balls
toxic jolt
cuz you know who doesnt
static lintel
hdusk r3al???
spice geyser
So do I just get dusk mods on the steam workshop
honest stag
lmao
for now most of the quality dusk content is the levels
so i suggest checking those out
also the weapon sounds reimagined mod is VERY VERY good
spice geyser
N i c e
long anchor
also the weapon sounds reimagined mod is VERY VERY good
++++
Don't play Lower tho
It's so outdated
alpine depot
you should NEVER play Derailed or Urban Turmoil, never! Never EVER! It's not like those maps are by me or anything, its not like I'm trying to shamelessly advertise, noooo!
long anchor
heh
alpine depot
sadly no bikini update for cowbabe tho
waiting for the epic weapons hotfix so we can get cool shit with that
long anchor
in my case I'm 100% serious, after recent updates visuals in Lower are broken lol
long anchor
it's not like it's unplayable but it looks like garbage now
alpine depot
it ran almost flawlessly beforehand
long anchor
Urban Turmoil lags like hell on my machine after the latest update
really weird
-force-d3d11?
alpine depot
its definitely playable still but I worry that lower-end systems might struggle a bit
I did that, still persisting
long anchor
oh I see
alpine depot
eh whatever
lyric swallow
is there a mod manager for dusk?
still raptor
Yeah, the game is the mod manager
And that'll be made better when we integrate mod.io and the workshop
unique ocean
What is the process for music now?
honest stag
probably the same, but if you want the music to change you gotta use the trigger_changemusic thing
and then just point it to the other track like you would in the worldspawn
talkin out of my ass tho
alpine depot
just add a music keyvalue in the trigger entity itself
and do your path to music
for example i did music/mines_action.ogg for when i changed music to the action track from the mine
the music file should be in your mod's folder though in the correct path of course
setting a music track on worldspawn will play that track when you first load the map
worn umbra
i got a new computer so i had to reinstall everything, but now the .wad just wont go into trenchbroom so i have no textures
honest stag
Make sure the paths are all correct
Game path included
worn umbra
yeah just realized it might not even be loading some of the quake stuff
started a new map, quake stuff is fixed but it still wont let the wad in
honest stag
What do you mean by not loading in?
Textures are black or the wad isnt adding? Is there an error?
Are you sure you're putting the wad in texture collections and the texture viewer
Not the texture viewer*
worn umbra
when i hover the wad over the top window in the face tab (i believe thats the texture collections?) it shows a small red cross symbol next to my cursor, and when i release it doesnt do anything
ive tried putting it the texture viewer but that doesnt do anything
when i hover it over the main editing window it says it will copy but still wont do anything
honest stag
Nope
Alright open the face tab
At the very bottom, in texture collections, click "show" on thr right
worn umbra
oh
honest stag
Then drop your wad in there
worn umbra
thanks
honest stag
👍
unique ocean
do we have a list of all the music files on the wiki yet?
unique ocean
ah tru
ancient depot
It'd be useful for us to have a list describing what each track is, but I'd wait on that since the music files are all going to be reorganized
unique ocean
Guess my main priority now is to see what tracks fit my level the best
honest stag
oh also i wanted to ask something about animations
unique ocean
Do I put the music value on the worldspawn for it to play at the start?
ancient depot
yes
honest stag
how will dual-weilded animations work? one animation for left one for right and they cycle each other? in that case is it maybe possible to have these animations on all models in case we want to add a dual-wielded model as a weapon that's single wielded by default?
kind of a loaded question i know
ancient depot
It can be whatever structure you want, it doesn't have to be in a music folder but we recommend it for organization
honest stag
or maybe have some animation variety in single guns
ancient depot
And currently it's the same model and it gets repositioned
unique ocean
no i mean in the map editor
alpine depot
You don't specify the mod folder root
unique ocean
thank
honest stag
yeah but like the pistols cycle the animation between left and right, and clicking once wont result in the second pistol firing
alpine depot
ysah just the path to your music from within root folder
so if you have music in a "music" folder it'll be music/song.ogg
ancient depot
That's a behavioural change so it'd require scripting
honest stag
ah alright
so like when you add a pistol replacement it will work fine by itself when dual-wielded?
ancient depot
Currently, yes
honest stag
alright good to hear
alpine depot
I wanna dual-wield riveters :)
ancient depot
There's a temptation to make the dual wielded variants be a separate model but I dunno about that
it has a bunch of tradeoffs
unique ocean
was the light value in worldspawn edited at all?
unique ocean
ah I see
alpine depot
you can add a value to light to have a default light value globally now
so makeshift fullbright
honest stag
dont forget to turn up the music lol
happens sometimes
unique ocean
Is it from the local folder or the specific mod folder
fixed it
Yay showers now have lighting!
Now i can finish the (Map Spoiler)
||Secret cultist shower scene.||
btw does music chaning triggers effect the whole map?
as in do they last the whole map or return to the default song after the conclusion?
gritty forge
cultist shower scene
gritty forge
Thanks zombie very cool
bold orbit
zom is going overtime for this stuff
so just to confirm when replacing enemy models, is there a list of what each animation needs to be called on the replacement model?
still raptor
bold orbit
tyvm
honest stag
hotfix
plz? jk... unless??
ancient depot
Hotfix'll probably be out over the next few days but not tomorrow ||because it's my birthday||
honest stag
or like, the upcoming brithday lol
alpine depot
you get the idea i cant spell :(
birthday!
there we go!
yeah!!!!!
old man zombie 😔
ancient depot
I swear someone made the double digits joke before too
onyx marten
ayeeeeeeeeeeeeee happy birthday
ancient depot
danke
alpine depot
they grow up so fast 😔
onyx marten
gerngeschehen
hard pollen
Happy Birthday Zombie.
ancient monolith
Happy birthday!
ancient depot
thanks guys
ancient monolith
Give it a year or so and you'll have to give actual thought before you can respond to "How old are you?"
ancient depot
I don't even want to imagine it lmao
worn umbra
too bad happy birthday
solid isle
Hap birthday!
I turned 22 a few weeks ago, anything after 21 is kind of lame tbh, so enjoy it!
alpine depot
i cant wait to be able to say "back in my day a pickle was the funniest shit i'd ever seen"
mortal narwhal
Birthday pickle. Happy birthday! 🎂
long anchor
we don't know
Hotfix'll probably be out over the next few days but not tomorrow because it's my birthday
gritty forge
Happy birthday zombo
ancient depot
danke
and yeah the wendigo thing is a bug caused by custom models
it'll be fixed
gritty forge
I didn't know you were younger then me
sharp trail
Happy Birthday!
gritty forge
Happy Birthday.
ancient depot
Thanks!
alpine depot
WHERE ARE THE DOOM SPRITE REPLACEMENT MODS
honest stag
there is that one
but for real we're just waiting for a hotfix (and then some more) to dump a buncha stuff all at once
it's turning out to be quite cool if i say so myself
tepid python
I think models are gonna be slow because it's quite a step up from mapping(atleast I think so)
honest stag
oh yeah totally
trenchbroom is easy to pick up, but blender (or 3d modelling software in general) is wayyyy harder at least from my experience
i think most of the models will be made by people already experienced with that kind of stuff
unlike maps
bold orbit
Happy birthday Zom
unique ocean
With models in H-Dusk crawls one inch closer
gritty forge
is there a mod that adds a skeleton model to the game, preferably using the bone assets that are already included?
honest stag
as which enemy? i can try making one
gritty forge
perhaps as the wendigo?
worn umbra
maybe i went a bit too far with the brushes?
alpine depot
nah
lol
ok actually maybe cuz i checked my own logs
ehhh im sure its fine
if it runs ok on ur system then itll run fine on others
...hopefully
desert crane
we need big chungus
alpine depot
yes we do
still raptor
at least tell me those trees are func detail
if those arent, that would cause some REAL fuckin triangle soup
well i think youd technically want func_detail_wall
or if the player cant get to them, use illusionary for even more optimization
why bother having collision if the player cant touch them
still raptor
yeah so, definitely id convert them to illusionary
the important part being, they wont split the face if theyre the correct entity
as a regular brush, youll end up splitting the face into MANY triangles
this is the concept
now, those arent triangles
but its simplified to show you the idea
normally, a flat square plane is made with 2 triangles
worn umbra
i would but
still raptor
worn umbra
everything is grouped
still raptor
i think you can convert a group?
worn umbra
and i dont know if its just me but i cant convert groops to func_anything
still raptor
but yeah, youre looking at like, insane triangle soup on the ground where the trees meet the floor
assuming they have trunks, or even meet the floor
you could offset them from the floor slightly
and it would improve it a lot
like 1 unit or something
worn umbra
ill do a combination of making the forest a lot more spread out, while also offsetting it so no triangle chef boyardee
worn umbra
No, you have done the opposite, you have created the true image of god.
honest stag
still raptor
did you at least include the sounds
bold orbit
Vriska
Why
I mean
It's beautiful
Yet, terrible
What the welder was before, is insignificant, what it is now, is incomprehensible
alpine depot
he has a death scream
alert sound didnt work
chungus welder screams like tom from tom and jerry
it's great
group a bunch of them together and the sound stacks up
worn umbra
oh god what does cradius sound like
worn umbra
my map wont convert to bsp, first in the txt it said "too many edges" but after making some changes it says this.
this is the full log
honest stag
try compiling it as bsp2
dusk supports it the same, you just have more "space" in terms of brush limits
worn umbra
wasn't sure about compatability with bsp2 as ive only heard of dusk supporting bsp but ill try it
gritty forge
Oh god
worn umbra
turns out i have no clue how to make qbsp compile bsp2
honest stag
there is a custom gui made for ericw's compiling tools, makes it a bit cleaner to look at
this thing
honest stag
that works too
but this makes the process just a tiny bit easier
and it's a bit easier to use compiling parameters (like bsp2)
lemme link it
always have trouble with finding the link so gimma s econd
so to set it up, unzip it (duh)
go into setitngs and set up a tools folder (folder with qbsp)
now, be careful because there must be no spaces or non-english characters in your folder path
oh in the same spot, type -bsp2 in the command line for qbsp
select your map as source map in the main screen, same things applies btw - no spaces!
output folder isnt needed, your compiled map will be in the same spot as the source map
to compile, either press ctrl+c or select file-compile
uncheck "run quake" too
worn umbra
this helps so much thank you
long anchor
compgui rules yyeeee
honest stag
yeah it saves a lot of time
honest stag
wooow damn dude that is a great use for them
unique ocean
Animated textures when so I can make that portal look nicer
worn umbra
this reminds me of half life 1 in every good way
unique ocean
I always have my best ideas at 3 am
unique ocean
How to have the wavy water
long anchor
i'm pretty sure you can use these prefixes for textures already
oh yeah remember the meatpit in Urban Turmoil
yeah
honest stag
oh you mean just animated stuff?
long anchor
i'm pretty sure ! works too
wait what
they renamed the roles?
wtf nooo
why did they change chad BJ to virgin ae champion
my day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable
solid isle
Large Johnson is dead
long anchor
he's pretty much alive in our hearts!
worn umbra
does the fgd have an est release date or is it out already?
honest stag
not out yet
frank mantle
@honest stag you didn't put this in the big chungo mod
i am disappoint
death sounds are 10/10 though
Big Johngus when
gritty forge
somethin somethin
GUI
long anchor
Yeah cause music is just as important
worn umbra
cause why would you cheese the boss when the music is so good?
long anchor
Dusk wouldn't be Dusk if not Keepers of the Gate and Anesthetized
cause why would you cheese the boss when the music is so good?
I mean, if you want to cheese the boss you'll cheese it
But music really adds to the fight
that's the agreeable part
agreeable?
brb
ok this word exists, it's ok
worn umbra
lol
long anchor
learning english with veven, part #№
worn umbra
the only thing i would really like rn is a way for a trigger to make another trigger useable without triggering it right away
worn umbra
i have a room that changes song when you enter, but i want it to change to a different song when you leave the same way you came in
instead i have to create a new exit so i can have another music trigger
long anchor
hmm
worn umbra
unless you can already do that i wouldnt be suprised
long anchor
Can't you make it like this? By using 2 triggers?
t1 and t2 are the zones where track 1 and track 2 play
sorry for these scribbles lol
worn umbra
what i want is for the player to enter the room listening to track 1, be in the room listening to track 2, but when they leave the same way they came in track 3 starts instead of track 1
worn umbra
but i dont know of anyway to change triggers as they seem fixed
long anchor
uhh
I have two solutions
kinda solutions
first: make picking up a key in a room (or whatever you wanted player to do in that room) trigger track 3
again, it's kinda solution
worn umbra
of course the player could accidentally pick up the key while fighting
long anchor
no actually there's no second
worn umbra
that would be jarring at best
long anchor
hmm
place key in a little cage? that lower/opens after you finished fighting? idunno
oh oh
worn umbra
?
worn umbra
the problem is
that kinda makes a pasifist playthrough a lot harder
and i am already activly trying to fix that
worn umbra
lol i dont care i misspelled that but that was baaad
long anchor
I didn't even notice lol
worn umbra
i think a seperate door is really my only option
i think this major update is slowly become a minor overhaul
worn umbra
seperate door, same area
long anchor
yeah
you can still trigger room music by walking in the first door
unless you close it after the room fight
oh yeah
worn umbra
thats the plan so far
worn umbra
more you go in > door closes > get key > second door opens bc pacifist
worn umbra
also unrelated but why the fuck did i think putting flying enemies in a level where your only weapons are a grenade launcher and a SWORD was a good idea
worn umbra
oh no
long anchor
that has all of the map making sins
worn umbra
enemies behind you when you spawn in
long anchor
yeah like that
pits that hurt you by 1 hp every second
without any way to escape
give player a lot less ammo than required to actually kill everyone
worn umbra
omg no
long anchor
make huge open areas, backtrack from on side of the map to the other and nothing happens during backtracking
also some confusing parts in buildings?
worn umbra
ooh ohh!
make secret doors that are completely indistinguishable from its surroundings
long anchor
^^^^
and fill secrets with one bullet
oh if we had hitscans
I could abuse their hitscanning ability
worn umbra
mod every enemy to be hitscan
long anchor
I could abuse their hitscanning ability
plutonia
mod every enemy to be hitscan
That's when scripting is a thing
worn umbra
sorry i dont speak the elder language of boomer
worn umbra
lol i havent played classic doom but ive played quake so i know how much hitscans suck
long anchor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
bold orbit
so who here likes the gloomwood table
tepid python
yes
alpine depot
yes
bold orbit
Ok good
long anchor
yes
Hey duskdevs
Do doubled weapons count as separate weapons?
like, second weapon in slot 2/3
ancient depot
In Dusk's code they're currently treated as a special "mode" for the regular weapon
long anchor
oh ok
ancient depot
I'm tempted to make it a bit more generic so you can arbitrarily dual wield weapons
pistol/shotgun, etc
long ledge
Do you load the base content above or below levels
long anchor
ok thanks
long ledge
What about textures
ancient depot
Everything
It's all counted as one blob
the base game (sounds, textures, models, etc) is one thing
and then mods can be loaded before or after it
long ledge
So it doesn't matter?
ancient depot
nope
long ledge
Coolio
I think the order does matter just from settling in trying to get some mods to work
ancient depot
Oh the order matters yeah, I meant that it doesn't matter what type something is
It'll respect the order that you give it in the modding menu based on directory
Stuff on top has higher priority than stuff on the bottom
So for example if you have the base content on top, nothing can replace textures because the base ones have top priority
long ledge
Some textures just aren't loading like the treasure bag and the mortar projectiles
long anchor
yeah afaik you can't replace certain textures rn
still raptor
i dont think thats textures missing, i think thats a lighting error
ancient depot
Yeah
still raptor
use your flashlight on them
if the texture is there, that means the lighting is fucked up
(which it likely is)
ancient depot
Also, are you in a campaign level or a custom level
I think some objects turn black in campaign maps currently
long ledge
Endless mode Cathedral
ancient depot
That'd be why then yeah
still raptor
oh god endless mode lmao
still raptor
but yeah, its likely a lighting thing
things that are pitch black are generally unlit, rather than missing texture
ancient depot
Yup, there's actually a grey and white checkerboard texture for missing textures
long anchor
not a purple-black checkerboard
long ledge
The cart dogs are invisible and the windigo start out visible
ancient depot
The wendigo thing is known, the cartdog thing is weird because I never touched that object
long ledge
I tried using the the Crash Bandicoot Kart mod
All the files are in the places they should be I don't know what I'm doing wrong this is my first time
ancient depot
It's likely a bug, not your fault
long ledge
Thanks for helping me I don't know if it's 1 or 3 o clock
ancient depot
lmao np
worn umbra
is it just me or have custom maps been really laggy after the update?
honest stag
try a different launch optionm
bold orbit
Reinstall, maybe? It worked for me
worn umbra
Reinstalling doesnt work for me
Would try the launch options if i knew what would help
worn umbra
I buffed the Preistesses hp, there are only supposed to be 2 in the entire level, 1 in this encounter.
elfin bear
Someone make a custom map where its all jumpads 
onyx marten
did something change with how water works? Apparently my enclave map is completely underwater, idk how to fix it. The water is a huge ass brush with "watertex" texture and it's func_water
ancient depot
There haven't been any changes to water
alpine depot
david lagged out on urban turmoil 😔
the map was flawless before this update too performance-wise
didnt have to use the -force-d3d11 launch option before the update either in order to get rid of the flickering
lot of funky stuff happening
alpine depot
i think hes talking about the enemies occasionally stopping in place when they take damage
honest stag
oh was that not a thing before?
alpine depot
seems like the scientists arent functioning in that regard since the update
ancient depot
didnt have to use the -force-d3d11 launch option before the update either in order to get rid of the flickering
originally d3d11 was the default
alpine depot
oh, alright
ancient depot
it's caused by Unity seemingly having a poor OpenGL implementation, so we'll be restoring D3D11 to default in the hotfix
alpine depot
thanks a lot unity 🤮
shrewd python
anyone know what the entity is for the tree forest sprites?
honest stag
the sprite looking trees arent entities but a transparent texture
worn umbra
updated taiga
broken swift
is it possible to change the weapon models?
nimble flume
Does anyone get screen tearing when playing dusk_sdk?
honest stag
try playing with vsync?
nimble flume
yeah... I tried capping my frame rate with and without vsync and sadly that didn't work.
worn umbra
maybe monitor/display settings?
nimble flume
I didn't think of that let me try 🤔
I found the solution, and the problem I had wasn't even screen tearing.
When i start up the SDK my screen starts flickering, and I have to enter this command to fix it -force-vulkan launch"
I am curious as to what this does, and what the flickering comes from.
honest stag
as zombie said above, dusk launches in opengl by default after a recent update and unity seems to have shitty opengl support?
worn umbra
i think they said they'll fix it in the next patch
bold orbit
Just sit tight and be cool, I guess
still raptor
We're gonna be switching the default to directx in the next patch
honest stag
The promised hotfix 
bold orbit
The product that was promised
dawn raptor
So uhm I got a question after the other day's stream
Are the Gloomwood table mods going to get released publicly? 
honest stag
i can release it if you want lol
is it worth it tho
dawn raptor
I know hence the why not :p
honest stag
you absolute legend
honest stag
still waiting on that hotfix to finally start adding some of the weapon models i made
bold orbit
are prefabs allowed on the mod.io
cause I can just
put the tables brushwork up for people to use
honest stag
dont see why not
cunning fulcrum
so yall make any good levels for me to speedrun yet?
honest stag
there's a bunch of good levels, but my friend managed to beat trespasser on duskmare and im not sure in how long but he ran through it
cunning fulcrum
when the only thing in the SDK that is less jank than the vanilla game are the ladders 
honest stag
they are still quite broken lol
long anchor
so yall make any good levels for me to speedrun yet?
derailed, urban turmoil, no?
this one: https://dusk.mod.io/blood-gutter
I played it on cero miedo before saves were a thing
plutonia level stuff right here
alpine depot
oh shit the par time for urban turmoil wasn't updated after I altered the plaza fight
pffft its fine you can just skip that bit with an explosion boost or two over the barriers once you get the key
onyx marten
man i wanna fix enclave but I dont know what's causing the problems
long anchor
Hey, remember windows rules?
If it's not working as intended - reinstall it
Remove all water
see if it helps
if it helped then make new water brush and see how it goes
my solution is stupid but that's the only one I can offer
onyx marten
Yeah I'll try that, thanks :D
sharp trail
does anyone know how to combine 2 brushes using a shortcut? I dün't meen merging brushes(Ctrl+J) i mean just making 2 brushe into 1 brush. E.g combining 2 lines 2 make an L
gritty forge
Ctrl+B I think? let me boot it up and check
nah I was thinking of Ctrl-J
You can't make an L with one brush
cus each brush needs to be convex
engine bullshit
you can try grouping them?
sharp trail
aww man
yea i did
im doing arches and that needs a lot of brushes
so i don't want everyones PC to exploade
wgeb they load map
gritty forge
oh yeah make them a func_detail
sharp trail
I thought i only needed to seal a map if it‘s a quake map.
honest stag
sealing a map still has effect while compiling to bst - it cuts out all the faces that the player doesnt see
like the outside of the map
pefrormance'n'shit
sharp trail
does anyone know any sites where you can download quake texture wads. Im looking for some sandstone/sand textures.
honest stag
@sharp trail https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/
sharp trail
thanks!
high magnet
So I'm making this short map based on Pripyat and the Stalker games
Featuring rusty ass Ferris wheels and bumper cars
Brutalist apartment buildings
And more shit coming hopefully 
because I'm not trying to make this a super big project
hoary juniper
high magnet
Aye thanks
sharp trail
how does one add change to skybox texture. Not looking for custom skybox textures. I just want to change to a different skybox thats already in the game
long anchor
I think you just need to do it like with custom skyboxes but using dusk textures
So I'm making this short map based on Pripyat and the Stalker games
Dusk IS stalker inspired in some ways, so yeah
I pretty much enjoy these stalker inspired industrial levels
waiting for ye map 
Brutalist apartment buildings
Imagine a huge level that is mostly a brutalistic apartments floating in the sky or void or something
OH OH
or make it cliff changed
Like it was in dark messiah
it is also possible to make parts of it crumble and fall down on your eyes, like, due to erosion or something
cool free level concepts right here guys ^^^
bold orbit
Behold my abomination
verbal peak
Heresy
bold orbit
Noble Hierarchs,
Surely you must understand that a mod such as that, has to be done
gritty forge
incredible
ancient depot
LOL
long anchor
ban ban ban ban ban
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verbal peak
The table is highly controversial 
long anchor
absolutely
also it's this
- Respect other users. Personal attacks, harassment, and derailing conversation wont be tolerated.
meming table = harassing David
bold orbit
The table is for the joy of everyone else, not for the harassment of David
long anchor
YOU'RE GONNA SAY THIS IN COURT YE CRIMINAL
bold orbit
IF DAVE FINDS IRE IN THE TABLE, THAT IS ON HIM
EVERYONE LOVES THE TABLE BUT HIM
I shall NOT be accused of such SLANDER
wanton bolt
I thought it was a mushroom lol
cunning fulcrum
Screw flat earth, I believe in ugly table earth. 👍
last talon
Stop trying to bullshit me like this. It's TABLE everyone can tell
gritty forge
Square earth
subtle trellis
Does anyone else have the issue of enemies in a t pose without texture until they see the player, then they become normal?
high magnet
afaik a good chunk of enemies in dusk t pose before spotting the player
dunno about the texture thing though
tulip crown
Are you able to create moving platforms in Dusk maps yet? What happens if you set a func_door to move horizontally while standing on top of it?
tulip crown
Great, thanks
still raptor
i dont think you need to use doors for elevators
pretty sure func plat works
its just func elevator that doesnt afaik
or whatever the fuck that was called
high magnet
Making bloody text in russian for my Pripyat map
100% chance of janky russian because I don't speak it
I just realized I'm basically doing reverse slav-jank
neon cargo
just now realizes you can make dusk mods
realizes thats fuckin stupid because you can mod any game
im trying to put *
honest stag
@high magnet btw that can mean both a warning for demons and for humans
i suggest a "!" after demons to remove the double meaning
high magnet
I think I'll just separate the text anyway
long anchor
@high magnet you missed н in демоны
high magnet
Oh yeah I guess you're right
Thanks for the heads up, I'll do a full pass on all of the cyrillic before release
I also butchered Lenin's name at one point
I think I wrote it like "Leinn"
high magnet
What exactly does making brushes func_detail entail?
Like what stops me from turning all of the geometry into func_detail_wall
solid isle
you'll get vis leaks and the map wont compile correctly
you at least have to have the shell of the map made of world brushes
unless DUSK dont care
high magnet
Ah I see
high magnet
Does vis actually matter in Dusk?
honest stag
nope
not for now at least
and if we're being real - unless you are making a HUGE map, performance isnt really a problem
cmon dusk looks like a game from 98
gritty forge
func_details aren't taken into account when the map gets split up into a bunch of parts, this was the best image I found
high magnet
Alright thanks you guys
odd harbor
hey, im new to mapping. I was wondering how to get entities that aren't equivalent to quake entities. stuff like rats and wizards which are supposed to use half life entities. How do i get them into trenchbroom?
worn umbra
theres an entities list in the main SDK folder
open it in notepad and copy the name and replace any point entities name with a name in the list and it will appear as the dusk enemy/item/object
also works for brushes like triggers
bold orbit
there is also an FGD
odd harbor
is the fgd somewhere in half life files or in the half life sdk?
honest stag
he's talking about a custom fgd that has dusk entities
odd harbor
ohh
honest stag
it's optional and made by community
odd harbor
where would i find it?
honest stag
i'll drop it here in a moment
odd harbor
thanks so much