i know theres a mix of photosourcing, free texture images, hand done stuff, etc
#dusk-modding
still raptor
iron needle
Yeah that about sums it up, although I think most of the free texture stuff ended up weeded out by the end?
Basically it's a mix of photosourcing and hand drawn yeah
Some textures are both
I'm using roughly the same method for Gloomwood, but revising mistakes I made with Dusk
lament ore
hey all I ain't been around in forever, howzit going
still raptor
weve been waiting for the day you returned
honest stag
B R E A D
i was literally talking about you yesterday my dude
good to see you back
honest stag
now get back to work on that map of yours
humble garnet
i have a question, what will happend if ill put Nyarlathotep in my map
will his ai bug out or he'll still do his attacks, will he be invincible non stop
or hes not supported at all yet
ancient depot
if you place him he'll basically be a big invincible statue
his AI isn't set up for custom maps yet
long anchor
^
honest stag
do flying enemies have a navmesh?
alpine depot
I don't think they function through navmeshes
Boneballs just move sporadically around and bounce off of anything they collide with
Bone Monks just fly up and down, briefly sorta-strafe and move towards the player gradually
whereas the other enemies are grounded and actually need a navmesh to navigate because they don't know how to navigate maps on their own
hollow owl
so what about a dusk(world) sdk
long anchor
oh i already forgot that there will be a coop
tepid python
what's planned for the next update
mortal narwhal
Can doors make sounds? If so, how?
long anchor
remove collision
tacit ridge
Oh boy
mortal narwhal
lol
gritty forge
I love this song
still raptor
oooh
gritty forge
Reminds me of that Pirate Ship map for Unreal Tournament
frozen jolt
so i was adding some changes to the cultist mage voice lines, including the ones in VO and the actual mage folder. For some reason, only the death sound actually changes. They play how they should if i open each file, and I disabled every other content pack besides the one that changes the voices, but everything remains the same as normal except for the death sounds. Anyone know what to do about this?
i also noticed stuff like changing out the ui does nothing? I changed the sickle loading icon and the mouse cursor, but they never change.
honest stag
i think that part of the sdk (changing stuff like alret sounds and voice lines) is fucky right now
frozen jolt
Damn
maybe some day we'll be blessed with.. slightly modified mage voices
dont know what discord did but therse a sound there
honest stag
cant imbed stuff till you have a rat rank i think
frozen jolt
yeaa
honest stag
yo i'm looking for a way to prevent chompers escaping from a pool while letting the player go in and out
func_door over the pool that starts open didnt work (no navmeshes DUH)
func_illusionary is my next option but i'm not sure and it's probably better to just ask
i cant really think of anything that collides with everything except the player
like a reverse combine force field or something
func_illusionary didnt work
ancient depot
I'll consider extending func_clip for the upcoming patch
so you can filter what it clips
once we have Source-style entity filters you'll be able to do advanced stuff like only blocking one specific enemy in the map
ancient depot
||planned for next patch (or the one after), if things go to plan||
tight fractal
Why is that a spoiler
Why would you hide that info
It’s vital
What the FUCK is wrong with you zombie
hollow owl
to keep out the normies
ancient depot
last talon
so its horror but it hasnt slept for extra 300 years
ancient depot
comic style texture pack? Neat
frozen jolt
yes, also gonna modify the sounds a biit
wooden pier
Will we be able to replace models on maps through files? Or for some it is impossible and can only be done manually? Like these gas pumps.
ancient depot
You'll be able to, yeah
Those pumps are actual objects and not level geometry afaik so they should be replaceable
wooden pier
I'm so glad to hear it. It would be terrible to give up the work I started on the model. TY ❤️
fading valley
I'm having trouble locating the audio files. maybe I've overlooked them.
honest stag
hell yeah those are some really cool textures - feel straight outta the dusk comic
honest stag
🦀 wiki is down again 🦀
gritty forge
Does web archive have it backed up?
compact basin
Do we not have access to the BSPs or whatever sort of file it uses in order to generate the level geometry?
Could we get a map editor in the future? That'd be cool.
sly hinge
why do that when trenchbroom already exists m8
honest stag
yeah and it's awesome in many, many ways
long anchor
tb is love tb is life
fading valley
where did you find the sound files? I can't find them anywhere.
honest stag
SDK>mnt>local>dusk>sounds
warm badge
felt like showing some of what i'm working on, sorry it's all editor shots at the moment https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559399996189835265/714012998921879572/D7.png
honest stag
hell yeah looks really cool
looks like a mix of silent hill and that factory part in half-life 1
warm badge
haha yeah residue processing i think?
honest stag
probably ye
warm badge
i've never played silent hill but lol right before i posted it here i showed it to a friend and i said " it just looks like a clusterfuck of silent hill aesthetics "
i do love the textures in dusk though, lots of grime and rust, its fun to work with
honest stag
did you only use dusk.wad?
warm badge
yeah just dusk textures
honest stag
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/ in case you want some more cool wads
warm badge
ah thanks, i was planning on only really using dusk textures though, maybe including some of my own custom ones at some point
this level is part of a levelset i'm planning, but its something that wont really see the light of day for quite a while
honest stag
cant wait to play it
warm badge
haha it might take a while, ive got it all pretty much planned out on paper and notes and such, been waiting a while for the SDK to finally release and some of the maps were started before it even was, i was just mapping out the geometry and crossing my fingers that it would translate over well, and so far it seems like the scale and everything is pretty much correct (i was a little concerned after hearing some debate over how tall duskdude is lol)
long anchor
looks cool dude
desert crane
oh god comic book dusk
frozen jolt
Lookinf really good
Also speaking of that
Some of the textures so far
Normal mage
Grand wizard
And
I'm gonna stoop there actually before it becomes spam and also because
Nobody needs "vent sketchy.png"
long anchor
it's cool
onyx marten
https://youtu.be/NTnhmBZ6yeU?t=15988 can someone add all these game names to the cultist voice lines? thanks
minor wasp
Question: When running quake maps, is there any way to add music?
onyx marten
I'm not sure, but you probably have to add the Quake music folder to the quake folder in the sdk folder
folder
long anchor
f o l d a r
still raptor
im not really sure what we CAN do about it
we'll talk about it in our weekly meeting and see what we can come up with
honest stag
offline wiki as a pdf lol
still raptor
we might have to get some ddos protection or some shit
alpine depot
for now we should try and upload it onto that internet archives thing- wayback machine i think? or download each individual webpage and store all that together
or maybe even just do plaintext documents in google docs or some shit lmao
honest stag
that would probably work honestly
ancient depot
I'll reboot the server once I'm at my computer
honest stag
i'll start uploading the pages to the web archive
ancient depot
It's really annoying and we should definitely do something about it, I'm just not sure what that something is
honest stag
hell yeah alright
time to upload
pretty sure it's almost entirely on the web archive now
done
honest stag
nice, some really cool stuff
alpine depot
:ooo
honest stag
Me and VEVEN collaborated on an Egypt-themed dusk mod!
Cool map + new enemy textures await you in.... TRESPASSER
"Maybe robbing the grave of an ancient god was not a good idea..."
https://dusk.mod.io/trespasser
long anchor
beer books
still raptor
wowowowow
honest stag
beer books
still raptor
this is cray
still raptor
gonna play this right fuckin now
ancient depot
with all the crazy shit people put together with the current limited featureset, it makes me giddy to imagine the shit you'll make once the SDK is feature-complete
still raptor
was about to go to bed
ancient depot
especially with coop
honest stag
i eagerly await the moment we can have scripting
you'll love the new textures, i know i did
(hehehehe that's why veven was asking here about them)
long anchor
Yeah
long anchor
I feel like this isn't the last time i'm making textures
honest stag
hell yeah have fun with it
it's not a huge map but hey
honest stag
scarabs*
long anchor
Yeah we dont have custom models feature to make them 100% scarabs
honest stag
i imagine it was not easy for veven to make those look like bugs
ancient depot
custom models are planned for the patch following the upcoming one
honest stag
ohhhh shiddd
long anchor
Sick
long anchor
honest stag
god i hope i deleted the chomper in the release version
long anchor
You said you did
ancient depot
wow this map is awesome
honest stag
eyyyyy thanks
ancient depot
the detailing almost feels uncanny lmao
LMAO the ||scientist retexture||, I love it
still raptor
honest stag
we made this mod in only a week actually
we just made a shit ton of progress because i initially wanted to challenge myself into making this mod in 3 days
but then i saw the insane textures veven made and we just kinda kept adding on after the deadline
still raptor
love the little canopic jars
i kind of want to make my own egyptian dusk map with your textures
honest stag
oh shit map from a dev
honest stag
i see the bullet hole
imma make those breakable for the next patch lmao
long anchor
heh heh
still raptor
bruh the boss
still raptor
omg i wish this map had func vehicle for the truck
honest stag
hehe well there is something close to it
still raptor
ancient depot
see I like how this map fits with the whole "treasure hunter" aspect of dusk
an egypt level is very thematically fitting in that sense
still raptor
omg the refuel mechanic
long anchor
^ yeah vriska is genius ^
still raptor
loved it
honest stag
😳
still raptor
a little simple , but mega points for originality
ancient depot
omg I just got to the boss
long anchor
bruh the boss
what's with the boss
honest stag
isnt that the coolest shit
all the pain from trying to texture that thing paid off eh veven
long anchor
was that bruh in good sense or bruh sense
yeah finding correct spots on the head was pain
still raptor
its great
long anchor
oh ok
still raptor
i gotta figure out how to open this secret
long anchor
heh heh
honest stag
lol it was way more complicated initially but i fucked up hard
long anchor
alpha of sdk did*
honest stag
so yeah
a hint tho - the button is NOT after you open all gates
honest stag
that wasnt the trigger counter thing
long anchor
i think that's something on our side that doesn't work
honest stag
it was the buttons that werent moving
i intented for them to get pushed into the walls but they were just there even after i remade them into func_doors
honest stag
yeah
i tried fixing them in different ways but yeah
long anchor
i gotta figure out how to open this secret
so how's it going
honest stag
lost to beer books
long anchor
:c
ancient depot
I found the default textured brush of doom
long anchor
wow what
ancient depot
(out of bounds)
honest stag
lmao shit i never expected people to actually look OOB
honest stag
that's from prototype.wad
yeah i color coded them so veven would have an easier time figuring out each monster closet in relation to keys if he wanted to tackle it
also a hint for the secret
||it's located in the yellow key section
(is it the trap? the hall? the stairs? i dunno but it's there)||
long anchor
spoiler tag?
honest stag
shit
ancient depot
hint: ||it's a secret||
honest stag
i recompiled the map to have breakable jars
still raptor
thats where i thought it was
but i looked pretty thoroughly
i even tried some tomb raider shit
long anchor
hey did you add the needed wad
honest stag
alright even bigger hint
||look around the trap room||
the
hm/
hm.
fuck. wait.
yeah i did
thank god
that would have been awkward
honest stag
you didnt include it in lower?
long anchor
nah i made it for second map
honest stag
ooooh
long anchor
but i'll include it in lower rework
still raptor
omg i was so blind
honest stag
it is kinda not easy to spot but hey, it's a super secret
still raptor
funny enough im still missing one
i found the ||fast fire|| and the ||under stairs health pack||
honest stag
there is another secret ||somewhere in the stairs section||
it's no big deal tho, just another health kit
lapis hare
just another parasite.
ancient depot
yeah the super secret had me scratching my head for a bit
I felt so dumb when I found it lmao
still raptor
yeah i found that one i thought
long anchor
just another parasite.
wanna gep gun?
still raptor
@honest stag whats the one im missing?
honest stag
it's on top of the stairs, ||a secret wall between the stairs and the hallway leading out of them||
long anchor
but i'll include it in lower rework
long anchor
sorry i think i'm brain damaged or something
honest stag
lmao nice design document
still raptor
see originally went around and pressed use on every single torch in the map
ancient depot
LMAO i did the same
honest stag
oh god im sorry
ancient depot
I saw trigger_counter mentioned and thought "no way..."
still raptor
then i tried speedrunning from the bridge button to the secret room before the bridge retracted all the way
honest stag
i linked my map to a friend and he kept trying to reach a torch that was higher than others
truth was i just didnt want to put it on a skull texture
still raptor
thining maybe its a timer
honest stag
initially you were supposed to find 4 buttons, 1 was really easy to find so you would have a clue what to look for
but yeah had to cut
ancient depot
||"count" "4"||
honest stag
ohhhhhh
long anchor
lmao
still raptor
oh did you open it in editor
ancient depot
I looked at the included .map file
honest stag
also the .map in that version of it is a bit outdated, i uploaded a new version with a new one
ancient depot
lmao
honest stag
mcclone persuaded me
said it's a cool thing to do in the quake mapping community
ancient depot
I definitely approve of it
still raptor
helps others learn from you
long anchor
i should do the same with lower i guess
ancient depot
wish it were more common
still raptor
the one thing i caution you on
is if youre doing that, make sure your wad paths dont doxx you or anything ike that
ancient depot
Yeah that's another reason I don't advise absolute wad paths
Relative is the superior option
ancient depot
Relative paths will also enable you to have custom wad locations in future SDK versions
honest stag
yeah we should start doing that
still raptor
just something to be aware of
honest stag
good advice tho thanks
ancient depot
Note that it applies not only to sources
The compiled BSP includes those wad paths too
still raptor
really cool theme though guys
id love to see a map where you steal something from a ruin and it all goes to shit when you do
ancient depot
The Escher Ruins
long anchor
lower map 3
still raptor
gives me cool ideas
ancient depot
idea
still raptor
one day when im not insanely busy ill make a map
ancient depot
trigger_hurt + func_door + func_rotating for boulder
still raptor
looool
long anchor
when func_rotating is fixed
ancient depot
implemented at all*
still raptor
we still havent seen any big entity nesting either
which you could do some funky shit with
still raptor
lmfao
still raptor
its sort of complicated to use
ancient depot
it's a very janky hack that we only really keep around because it's charming
ancient depot
Definitely worth considering
long anchor
I still can't figure out how the hell should i setup lightproxy
ancient depot
it points to the targetname of an entity
long anchor
yep
ancient depot
the object will then have the same lighting as whatever the targeted entity is
honest stag
yeah sounds about right
ancient depot
so if you have a monster with a lightproxy set to a func_door moving over a bunch of lights
the monster will appear to flash different colours
honest stag
weird, i did pretty much that and it didnt work
maybe i just screwed up somewhere
long anchor
aight
honest stag
oh well it was a while ago maybe i'll try again
ancient depot
for all I know it might be broken
still raptor
its possible the func_door location is extremely fucked up
ancient depot
not like we test that feature
still raptor
because the actual root of the func door is different from where the brush actually is
ancient depot
I think scott tested it once it was first added and then I forgot it even existed
that may be it
still raptor
im 90% certain it is
ancient depot
in which case once we have brush recentering for func_door_rotating, that should fix it
still raptor
yeah i think it works only off the parent object
ancient depot
well actually, I'm not entirely certain now
I think I changed it to use the renderer bounds
still raptor
which was stupid design , but it was meant as a fix for static objects
specifically stuff like trees that you wanted to clip into the ground
so you could just put an info_null where you want to get light from
ancient depot
yeah it uses the world bounds
when did you try it @honest stag? it should work in the current patch
honest stag
uhhh not sure
april i think
long anchor
I tried it around the time I was finishing Lower
ancient depot
I think that predates the current patch
still raptor
i know it CAN work
yes i did
you see the stump takes the light of the func_train
outside the box
long anchor
yeah i remember this vid
still raptor
its unforunate we couldnt get you guys func train sooner
but its actually a huge fuckin mess
ancient depot
it's a very quake-era feature lmao
still raptor
i tried my best to do fp error correction
ancient depot
and yeah func_train is a big mess
still raptor
but it was just sliiightly off
ancient depot
bsp overhaul will give us the means to fix it
still raptor
you can see in that video, that EXACT setup works
but it doesnt work for all conditions
everything was neat power of 2
ancient depot
yeah even simple quake maps were off
still raptor
i got them very close, but never perfect
long anchor
how does func train work exactly? can it move in any direction? how we should setup it's path
still raptor
you put path corners and targets basically
and yes, they can move in any direction
and they can loop indefinitely
and change speed
ancient depot
think of it like a door that moves to multiple locations
instead of just a back and forth
long anchor
cool
still raptor
theyre incredibly useful for weird map hacks
ancient depot
realistically, there's no real reason that func_door and func_train should've been separate entities imo
still raptor
it was probably just design oversght
ancient depot
yeah
still raptor
they had doors, then wanted to expand the abilities
long anchor
I can use them to make elevator that starts slowly but then moves a bit faster
still raptor
in theory yes
thats an important difference between a door and train i think
i dont think doors force the player to inherit its movement?
long anchor
can i change it's speed to zero?
ancient depot
absolutely
long anchor
nice
ancient depot
pretty sure that's how several half life mods do it actually
still raptor
valve actually has a good note on it
func_train is a point entity available in the Half-Life series. It is a used leftover from Quake that ping-pongs between the start and end of its path. In GoldSrc, it is primarily used for looping auto-scrolling backgrounds. In Source, it has been superseded in usability with the introduction of parenting, rendering it obsolete but still functional.
func_train IS obsolete
long anchor
looping auto-scrolling backgrounds
what
is it like
how some mods make train sections with fake moving surroundings
still raptor
yes
still raptor
you just make the entire terrain a func_train
and move it , then loop it back in front
ancient depot
it's kinda hilarious when you think about it
everything except the train is a train
long anchor
i was talking about making train level in dusk with Camouflaged Conspiracy as background music cause it has some trainy vibe in it
still raptor
something that we need to add is fog
thats the only way you get away with that effect
but thats also a complicated thing
long anchor
everything except the train is a train
yeah lmao
still raptor
because theres no fog standard
still raptor
rain, snow, fog
long anchor
yes please
ancient depot
which we can then expand out to custom particle systems
once I get around to implementing that
still not 100% decided on how to handle it
I'm currently thinking a json/xml with a dedicated "particle editor" program
still raptor
also guys, where is that egypt music from
long anchor
fog
You see, i tried making a huge cave feel in Lower map 2, but i couldn't get it look right
still raptor
yeah, fog is a really important element for some maps
the main issue is compatibility
for one, quake didnt even have fog
but it was added in sourceports
and now a bunch of custom quake maps use it
and half life uses like an entirely different system for it
ancient depot
yeah, it's different between quake and hl
although
we do have a "map mode" system
long anchor
also guys, where is that egypt music from
https://youtu.be/ykWVf9DrIe0
honest stag
kinda wish the map compatibility wasnt such a big deal for you guys
ancient depot
which makes things act different if the bsp is a hlbsp or quake bsp
so we could just use that
and support both
long anchor
damn i should update mod description
ancient depot
governed by this enum
namespace NewBlood
{
public enum EntityBehaviourMode
{
Default,
Quake = Default,
HalfLife,
}
}
which fog is better to use tho
ancient depot
whichever you prefer
afaik there isn't anything you can do with one that you can't with the other
they're just set up differently
honest stag
so yeah glad you guys liked the map
now i just need to get personal shit out of the way by the end of june
still raptor
hope you manage to 🙏
honest stag
cool alpha version leak?
honest stag
leak? monkaS
honest stag
are alert sound replacements working? or was that never fixed?
honest stag
ever heard of feedback? because THIS is feedback
alpine depot
nice map bro!
mortal narwhal
thanks lol
ancient depot
nice map bro!
mortal narwhal
thanks lol
eternal sail
nice map bro!
gritty forge
nice map bro!
small gate
thanks lol
tepid python
nice cock bro
mortal narwhal
https://dusk.mod.io/pirate-ship
alright, I added epic true ending and some needed changes
thanks lol
mortal narwhal
you're going to like the true ending if you find it
still raptor
i will do my best
long anchor
Wha?
mortal narwhal
||find all the dopefishes||
long anchor
So the record im uploading on YT isnt relevant anymore?
still raptor
those light shafts look really good
long anchor
who
mortal narwhal
@still raptor
still raptor
the most recent one
mortal narwhal
ok sweet
yeah, @long anchor i think your recording is still relevant
i wouldnt scrap it
cause its just a small addition that i made
long anchor
Yeah i didn't want to scrap it
still raptor
this is super cool
long anchor
Otherwise i would've lost an hour of my internet time
mortal narwhal
thanks||lol||
mortal narwhal
thank you, took me all of two weeks.
onyx marten
oh shit i gotta go back and find that secret ending
mortal narwhal
its pretty epic
versed lodge
i hope that the sdk gets released for mac
ancient depot
There are currently no plans for a Mac port, but it might happen after the SDK is finished
versed lodge
oh
wooden pier
I've been painting runes for so long that I forgot that the sword is shrinking to the end and now here we are lol https://dusk.mod.io/aerondight-the-witcher-3-magic-sword
still raptor
Neat
wooden pier
Thanks
woven rapids
I really like this Enclave map, but I think I need to wait on saves and load times before I can go secret hunting
onyx marten
yeah enclave is a real classic 
long anchor
I really like this Enclave map, but I think I need to wait on saves and load times before I can go secret hunting
Saves are in the next patch 👀
At least that's what zom said
ancient depot
That's the plan
honest stag
is there an ETA for it?
long anchor
ancient depot
End of the month
pearl fox
As in end of this month? 👀
ancient depot
yes
pearl fox
long anchor
nice
honest stag
oh SHID
hollow owl
how do i change the angle of the brush tool?
hollow owl
i'm struggling with compiling the files again for my map
sharp trail
why is noone mod sacy helping him right now
honest stag
yo i dont know if you still need help but im not sure what do you mean by "angle of the brush tool"
also what issues do you have with compiling?
@hollow owl
tepid python
honest stag
HOW
verbal cedar
tepid python
yes
ancient depot
Just confirming that the upcoming patch will have drastically faster load times
I'm talking ~5 minutes reduced to like 10 seconds on a huge map
tepid python
witchcraft
ancient depot
tl;dr we replaced some unity shit with our own hand-written solution
still raptor
finally it wont be insanely painful to load a map
we should probably make it not painful to load the main menu lol
ancient depot
in time, that one's a real tedious bitch
I wonder how much faster Enclave loads now
okay yeah that was WAY faster lol
ancient depot
I haven't tried doing a build
ancient depot
once we finally remove all of the internal assets that should go right down
still raptor
i forgot how much caches speed builds up
ancient depot
I bet like 90% of that is audio processing
tepid python
is the main menu supposed to be like squashed a little bit
ancient depot
define squashed
still raptor
thats a bug with how resolution is set
just change your resolution
and then set it back to native
tepid python
it's only the text for new blood games and duskworld multiplayer
still raptor
oh, thats probably just an anchoring issue
ancient depot
1040fps
your poor gpu lmao
still raptor
no BEST
unlocked fps ftw
ok
standalone finished
lets see how fast this is
10 ish seconds
for enclave
not bad
ancient depot
and that's only with the texture packing optimization
there's still a texture allocated for every lightmapped surface currently
still raptor
im gonna try sepulcher
ancient depot
you will die
ancient depot
scott was never seen again
ancient depot
Yeah, too many texture allocations probably
ancient depot
hahahaha
still raptor
and for some reason it was just as fast as enclave
weirdly
im wondering if im missing a file or some shit fo sepulcher
do i technically need any of the external textures?
ancient depot
not at all
still raptor
literal like 100% spike
ancient depot
long anchor
honest stag
that is some good shit
cant wait
a friend of mine is speedrunning trespasser on duskmare (for some fucking reason) so that'll help him by a lot
sharp trail
ah yes rhis is great
tepid python
can a message be used with trigger teleport
tepid python
works with buttons and secrets but doesn't seem to be the case with teleport after testing
ancient depot
Hm, I think it's because trigger_teleport is a unique thing that acts like a trigger, rather than an actual trigger
iirc
there's no reason for it to be that way other than proper triggers weren't implemented when trigger_teleport was, I think
tepid python
skybox sunset left and right are switched around and the top one always seems to have this outline
ancient depot
Yeah most of the skyboxes have left/right swapped, it'll be fixed eventually
most of the textures and sounds are gonna be moved around and renamed before 1.0
gritty forge
That Big John face kinda looks like that of the style of Aidan Hughes, who did work on KMFDM's album art covers.
honest stag
most of the textures and sounds are gonna be moved around and renamed before 1.0
So most of the older texture mods will break?
And sound mods
tepid python
pepsi and coke mods will break
ancient depot
They will, but we'll be providing tools to automatically patch them
long anchor
tepid python
tepid python
the top downloaded maps are also the best ones so far, well besides nuts,wad
still tendon
I knew that
ANd again, sorry for bothering you about it
So quick question, the read me for the SDK says it's for half life maps, but does it work for custom maps too?
tepid python
yep
still tendon
Huh, that'd make it pretty easy to play Quake 1 wouldn't it?
I got it on steam though, so I'm not sure
...
I enable and apply it, and it won't let me actually play the mod
long anchor
in what way? there are no maps in custom maps list?
long anchor
what it was
honest stag
there's a lotta underappreciated non top-rated maps
last talon
I shoudl really go through all the maps again. its been a long time since I last did
bet there are alot of great new ones I havent played
honest stag
i kinda feel ashamed because the lost mansion is in the top-4 downloaded maps but it SUCKS
it legit sucks ass
last talon
is it the one with the macaroni labyrinth
honest stag
macaroni labyrinth lmao
last talon
where you can break the hedges and enemies still go around the now non-existent walls? :D
honest stag
the destructable one yes
last talon
also I died fucking 10 times in it :D
honest stag
oh jesus i am sorry you had to play that map 10 times
honest stag
i updated the map like a month and a half ago - somewhat redone the visuals and added more ammo so it doesnt suck as much
but it's still bad
TRESPASSER THO ON THE OTHER HAND YEEHAW THAT'S A MAP
it's good thanks to veven and not me but still
vital bramble
When is the possibility of adding new weapons going to be added to the SDK? I'd to try to like to add the hand gun from Devil Daggers into the game
ancient depot
That's something that'll require scripting, which will come sometime after we have custom models (custom models should land within the next few patches)
ancient depot
Patch should be coming today
Patch Notes
* Saving and loading is now implemented (for custom levels only), note that not everything will save properly yet!
* Maps containing invalid lightmap pointers will no longer fail to load
* Load times for custom levels have been drastically reduced
* Fixed several visual bugs involving lightmaps in custom levels
* The game will now use Vulkan by default if it is available
* Shaders are now built for all available renderers, so users experiencing GPU problems can now use DirectX or OpenGL without graphical issues```* Zombie spent 30 minutes making this patch and the rest of the time was watching railgun
* Most of the things you want still don't work, so don't ask
* H```That's impossible because Railgun is fucking delayed again reeeeeee
Doesn't continue until July now
patch is live
tight fractal
zombie doesnt even know how these patches keep getting made
they just show up in his email
ancient depot
I had myself cloned, that clone is kept in the basement where he does nothing but work on patches
honest stag
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
as soon as the patch drops i'll go into a map of mine, and then save and load
just because i can
ancient depot
lmao
There are a few things that don't save properly just yet, namely
- Score, kills, secrets
- Anything time sensitive (eg, the facility doors in Half-Life C1A0)
- Objects you're holding (they'll just drop to the ground when you load)
- Enemy corpses, projectiles and dropped items
honest stag
secrets you mean the secret count and not the secrets on the map right
ancient depot
Yes
oh and 5. Enemy targets, they'll lose sight of you
So you could technically use saves to cheat lmao
lapis hare
- stealth dusk custom levels by constantly saving and loading
ancient depot
It'll be significantly faster
honest stag
oh the patch is already out?
ancient depot
Yeah it's been out for like an hour lmao
alpine depot
downloading it now
honest stag
oh shit
alpine depot
mega hype :)))
honest stag
HYPE
ancient depot
There are still significant load time improvements to come as well
alpine depot
:O
ancient depot
This patch only contains the big initial improvement
But there's still a lot of large speedups we can get by shuffling a bit of code around
honest stag
oh wow it's a big boy
ancient depot
That'd be because of the shaders
alpine depot
daaaang, 21-22 seconds load for UT
honest stag
....
Zombie
A second before dusk loaded i got a unity crash and now its making robot noises and my laptop is dying
ancient depot
lmao
honest stag
It all closed
ancient depot
wat
honest stag
Typing from a phone
ancient depot
was that before loading into a level?
onyx marten
ITS A VIRUS
honest stag
As it was loading
honest stag
OH NO MALWARE PATCH
ancient depot
what's your GPU?
honest stag
Internal
Geforce 920mx i think?
ancient depot
Do you know how much VRAM it has?
honest stag
Not sure but i think around 2-4 gb
Ill check
ancient depot
yup
honest stag
fun fact - it took longer for me to load into the actual level from the "press any key" screen than getting to the "press any key" screen
also
what did you do to my map
ancient depot
oh god lmao
oh oops
I know why that happened
when I edited the dll I didn't edit everything I needed to edit
little arrow
Looks fine to me. I don't see the problem.
honest stag
nice zebra shadows
honest stag
attempt #3
honest stag
i guess i wont try it then
ancient depot
basically I think it's caused by your GPU not supporting large textures
so when it tries to create the lightmaps it dies
and since the code can't generate multiple lightmaps just yet (that's one of the upcoming optimizations) it makes a massive texture
so the DLL above will try to limit the texture to the max size your gpu supports
honest stag
oh that is nice to know
awsum, thank you
a total of 25 seconds from selecting the difficulty to playing the map
ancient depot
ok so that was it, thanks for the help
honest stag
"help"
honest stag
i guess that makes sense, yeah
proud to be the guinea pig
ancient depot
also how is this one:
reee windows explorer froze as I tried to drag the file into discord
honest stag
still raptor
how long was it taking before?
honest stag
not sure honestly, at least a minute
still raptor
ok so, significantly longer?
still raptor
awesome
honest stag
i'll try and launch one of poolboyq's maps
those took me ages to load
ancient depot
If you get the escape screen when loading those maps then it means it's the GPU texture size thing again btw
The lightmap creation is faster now, but it's less efficient with how much texture data it uses
honest stag
loaded duskstein in 40 seconds, awesome
ancient depot
ok thank god those maps don't use enough texture data to push you over the limit lol
honest stag
lol
it's probably the biggest map right now, aside from maybe urban turmoil
ancient depot
once we have multiple lightmap support this entire issue will go away
but yeah hopefully this makes your life easier when mapping lmao
I still think the load times are bad, but they're nowhere near as bad as they were before
20s is still unacceptable imo
honest stag
thank you, that is crucial for quick testing
and i dont have to wait an absurd amount of time to double-load the map in order to fix this thing
ancient depot
but I know where the bottlenecks are so we'll improve it
Yeah that bug is annoying as hell
BSP overhaul would've fixed that, but I chose to delay it to the next major patch since it needs a bit more time in the oven
honest stag
so whens the next patch 🙂
jk, this alone is pretty much enough for me to be fully comfortable
ancient depot
Sometime next month
honest stag
i hope it drops on my birthday
ancient depot
early next month, I'm shooting for
next month meaning June, for anyone that might already be in June when they read this lol
honest stag
yep, my bortday is in june
also i dont think anyone is in june right now, it's 15:00 for me and i'm basically almost next to the date-change zone
may 31st that is
ancient depot
thinking about how timezones work is mental overhead that I can't be bothered to exert
honest stag
lmao get some deserved rest
ancient depot
For once I'm actually decently rested
I wanted to have this patch out last night but I was running on like 36 hours without sleep so I just passed out and finished it today
honest stag
oh jesus
onyx marten
Oh boy
ancient depot
considering that it needed a hotfix for lower end GPUs I think that was a good thing
honest stag
yeah it would be pretty awkward if i blue screened every time i launched dusk after the patch rolled out
ancient depot
yeah lmao
ancient depot
hotfix out
long anchor
oh nice
saves
time to cero miedo everything i couldn't cero miedo without savescumming
end my life
honest stag
i couldnt beat a single map on cero miedo without dying yet
(except for func_vehicle, objectively the best map)
long anchor
hey hey
i remeber that in quake you can make certain entities appear on certain levels of difficulty
is this possible in dusk?
honest stag
oh JESUS
it definetly wasnt like that for me
is this in-game or while loading
also i got a question about the difficulty spawnflags
there are easy-normal-hard ones, but how do they relate to the 5 difficulties in dusk?
tepid python
main menu
tepid python
and the difficulties are like in doom
accessible/go easy = easy, I can take it = normal, Ciero miedo/duskmare = hard
honest stag
i think that SHOULD work on any entity
long anchor
actually when i think about it
i don't think it works with lights or brush entities
at least not now
yeah
because there are no difficulty spawnflags for them lol
honest stag
oh well i guess anything that HAS those spawnflags should work
long anchor
func_door has
honest stag
hm
did you test it?
honest stag
oh wow the door just isnt there?
honest stag
jesus
long anchor
pc was screaming in agony when i alt tabbed
(mostly because the rest of the memory was eaten by browser with dozens of tabs opened)
altough levels load a lot faster
yes, indeed
func_wall also has diff spawnflags
still raptor
yeah so, that memory usage will be optimized
its just that the solution to loading fast was basically making a large texture
zomb is still working on it
honest stag
isnt that how many open world games do it for landscapes?
or at least i know that some huge cs:go maps do that at least
ancient depot
might be more VRAM problems
gimme a second, I'll put together a patched dll to see if I can tweak it for you
onyx marten
I also noticed that next to the dusk icon now there is a unity icon in the taskbar
ancient depot
that's probably just a Unity thing unrelated to the game itself
at least I hope
lol
onyx marten
Ahh alright,nice
ancient depot
@onyx marten ok dll incoming
goes in SDK/bin/win_x64/Dusk_Data/Managed
@tepid python and @long anchor may also be interested in trying this dll
tepid python
nice nice
ancient depot
This one may also help
honest stag
a couple things about the new saving shit
untested yet, but it seems like a problem
- saving in 1 map, going into another, and then rewriting the old save might cause dusk to have a fucking breakdown, again, not tested yet
- i think saving loading might be fucking up jumppad angles
- i think having a sword and saving/loading may remove sickles
all of that i need to test
zombie
my friend did the first thing
and now dust is in chinese @ancient depot
dusk*
ancient depot
yeah I actually found all three of those myself while testing earlier
honest stag
oh alright
ancient depot
I know the cause of 2 and 3 but not 1
to get the sickles back you can use the quick sickles key
honest stag
yo zombie
how does one change the language back now?
my friend is trying options but it doesnt change
ancient depot
that's... weird
try restarting the game
otherwise editing the ini is an option
set language to 0
honest stag
ah gotcha
still raptor
there are a few things that cause it
the primary one is if you have steam games set to a non-english language
dusk tries to pull the enumerated value of your steam language, but since we only ever finished the implementation for chinese, any value above chinese sets you to chinese
once you have correctly set your language, it will no longer do that
timber atlas
was there a changelog for the latest sdk update?
timber atlas
noice
I should get back to working on my level. Been spending time making TF2 maps 😛
Oh Sweet, saving's in. Does that include quicksaves?
ancient depot
@timber atlas Yes
ancient depot
Here's a newer .dll with multiple lightmap support, this should be much more efficient and not have those VRAM issues
I'd appreciate any feedback from people that decide to test this
honest stag
i'll try just in case
ancient depot
much appreciated
long anchor
i tried
honest stag
everything is all good on my end
long anchor
yep good for me too
ancient depot
So the RAM usage isn't as terrible as before?
honest stag
defiently all good for me
long anchor
not sure why i made this, but anyway...
red - game's booting up, blue - map start, yellow - game's closed
So the RAM usage isn't as terrible as before?
went from 2 gb to ~ 1.7
ancient depot
So how about this one:
ancient depot
lmao
ancient depot
now I'm really interested in whether or not this fixes Poolboy's issue
I believe it should
ancient depot
yeah that makes sense
honest stag
1gb in main menu, time to test a map
ancient depot
the initial 1gb would be because of all the loaded music
long anchor
at least it saves and loads
ancient depot
but those saves will still have that issue even after it's fixed
long anchor
you mean save files
ancient depot
yeah
long anchor
fair enough then
ancient depot
physics objects don't save right now do they
long anchor
I think it's a bit off
ancient depot
as a result
long anchor
yep they don't save
ancient depot
try this