on your trigger_changelevel that is
#dusk-modding
honest stag
long anchor
Hey duskdevs, can i name a boss entity somehow to make this custom name appear ingame?
ancient depot
No but that's a good suggestion, I'll get that in for the next patch
bossname property or something
honest stag
π y'know i kinda like this, i wonder how it will look with more details
desert crane
ancient depot
yo that looks great
honest stag
ey thanks
modest imp
Are there any possibilities that in the distant future, way off in the distance, someone's going to make a fork of a map editor like Trenchbroom specifically for Dusk?
long anchor
Isn't making FGD for it is kinda like it?
honest stag
yeah that will just make the process of adding entites really simple
long anchor
or it's only about having proper entites to show up?
modest imp
Mainly just proper support that isn't through a Quake-based middleman.
Not that it's necessary, but just one less "layer" of sorts.
honest stag
i mean the half-life editors can make dusk levels too
the deal here is that dusk used the bsp format, and it just so happens that TB is like
really good with bsp
modest imp
That's why TB would be such a good editor to fork, honestly. But again, it's more like a housekeeping sort of thing.
TB doesn't technically have Dusk support. It has Quake support, and Dusk does too. The two mesh really well together. But it's not full, proper support on TB's part. Hence housekeeping.
long anchor
I think it just follows logic like "if it's not broken don't fix it"
for me it's acceptable
I wonder when fgd's coming out
modest imp
soonβ’οΈ
modest imp
Don't think of it as fixing something. Just think of it as a little bit of grease to make things a little bit smoother in the long run. π
long anchor
π 
worn umbra
I've got the "Escape" loading glitch, what is happening?
honest stag
a lot of things can be happening with that
on your map?
worn umbra
what do you mean?
honest stag
is the problem on a map you made or are you trying to play someone's map
worn umbra
oh yeah its my map
honest stag
in the sdk folder there should be a dusk_win.bat
when you launch it like that there should be an output log afterwards that can help you figure out what caused it
...i think lmao
worn umbra
do you know how to get to the output log? im not finding it.
honest stag
Itll be in Dusk/SDK/etc/usr/output.log
worn umbra
thanks
worn umbra
got it, it was a missing texture
onyx marten
in my map enemies are kinda locked in the areas i marked. is there a way to fix this?
ancient depot
It'd be a navmesh thing, not super simple to fix just yet
If you can provide a BSP I can look into tweaking the values a bit for that map in the next patch though
onyx marten
sure
ancient depot
@long anchor just added bossname, expect it in the next patch
tight fractal
we need to go deeper
long anchor
Duskdude is right
wtf is this, it's in the escher labs
uhh
ok now one thing happened
i'd better record it lol
what in the world
sdk broke singleplayer campaign lol
ancient depot
Yeah the texture issues are known
the other issue is uh, odd, I'll look into that when the SDK is further along and supporting the campaign is more than just a bonus
onyx marten
is it possible atm or in the future to have lights turn on and off? and is it possible to have a trigger_once be triggered so it is inactive at first?
alpine depot
i think you could do that with a lightproxy value on your lights targeting a func_door that moves from a lit area to a darkened one on a trigger?
or vice versa depending on what you want
onyx marten
uh alright, that sounds too complicated for what i wanna do. thx anyways
pearl fox
Didn't VEVEN do that in the beginning of his LOWER-map? There's a lamp which you can turn on and off...
pearl fox
Ah
ancient depot
That would require lightstyles which are too complex to support in the current implementation, which is part of what the BSP overhaul is solving
Technically we could add light_dynamic in the meantime though
alpine depot
dynamic lighting? in MY quake dusk maps?!
onyx marten
cool, what would be the difference between lightstyles and light_dynamic?
ancient depot
it'd be a dynamic light and not toggleable lightmaps
in other words, the same as the props you can place currently with lights attached
onyx marten
aight, thanks!
ancient depot
np
coral beacon
umm my preview isnt working i copied over the preview from the normal dusk stuff and just edetit it but it doesnt show in game do i need to use the quake palatte for that to?
ancient depot
@coral beacon Can you show what your description.xml looks like, as well as a screenshot of the mod folder?
coral beacon
oh i dont have a desception that was the problem i think
ancient depot
That would be it then, yeah
description.xml is what tells the game you have a preview image in the first place
coral beacon
btw when will trigger_hurt in the sdk?
ancient depot
It's a pretty simple entity so I can probably push it up the list and get it in the next patch
coral beacon
thx alot its a very importent thing in my opinion
long anchor
dam so many cool things in the next patch
ancient depot
Mostly fixes really
coral beacon
umm i put the description in and the game startet with a black screen and nothing else put the description out and everything is fine again is there a fix for this?
ancient depot
Did you make sure all of the values are present in description.xml?
The game won't accept a partial file
All of them must be present, even if their values are empty
coral beacon
well i copied the dusk thing and just changed everything that i need to
ancient depot
What's the value of content?
coral beacon
"2 new maps"
coral beacon
oh
ancient depot
One sec, this is our fault because we haven't documented description.xml yet
(Mostly because we're planning to replace it with something better)
okay so
content can be either None, All or a comma-separated list of any of the following:
Textures, Levels, Sounds, Models, Scripts, Weapons, Monsters, Music
For example: <content>Levels, Sounds, Monsters</content>
coral beacon
oh ok thx
ancient depot
np
coral beacon
is there anything with the other values i need to look into?
ancient depot
Nah that's the only one that has any special requirements
coral beacon
ok
candid dew
Any plans to implement func_door toggling? Would be nice to have too (:
ancient depot
That's their default behaviour
What we need to add is actually the non toggling behaviour
candid dew
if i create a door and leave its properties alone, it automatically closes a few seconds after opening
isnt that non-toggling?
ancient depot
Yeah, although they retain the behaviour of closing and opening whenever triggered
I believe normally, triggering the door again won't close it early
candid dew
oh i see
ancient depot
It's an oversight on our part
Thanks for the reminder though, it's an easy thing to add so I'll move that up the priority list too
coral beacon
e1m2 enjoy!
alpine depot
oh god
i couldnt even finish the first level :(
pure EVIL beefing up the soldier health
gritty forge
soup
honest stag
there is a video for setting up trenchbroom for dusk in pinned messages
gritty forge
wanna move to dm's?
honest stag
sure
cursive breach
how do i get the quake map shown in the update on steam?
cursive breach
aight i got the maps working, can someone help me with adding custom music?
honest stag
did you compile the .map into .bsp or did you just take the finished .bsp and played it?
because you cant add custom music without the .map file
...i dont think you can
worn umbra
do jump pads work yet?
worn umbra
thanks
coral beacon
anyone played e1m2 map yet? how was it? im so curius
honest stag
ill give it a go in a moment
cmon man lmao this isnt fair
giving it another attempt on go easy now
nope died
if i cant do it on accesible im done lol
why can i hear like 50 wendigos behind a wall wtf
worn umbra
sounds... fun... :/
coral beacon
like i said in the description asshole gameplay XD
btw the two dogs have very low health so you can just hunting rifle or crossbow them
worn umbra
dude
coral beacon
the wendigos btw all have 1 health
worn umbra
the boneballs, ok... the 100 blackphillips, scarecrows, and wendigo's, ok... big mama, ok... the dogs, ok... the normal mama on the other side of the room, NOT OK.
coral beacon
you can kill it with the riviter or soap you can find in secrets right before it
and the wendigos cant leave the room there in for some reason
coral beacon
oh
well the wendigo room was a jke anyway XD
btw i beat the first and second level after eachother on i can take it and it took me 1 hour
im gonna cut together a compilation of all teh secrest see ya in a bit and sorry you had to play my bullshit XD
coral beacon
normal osprey
Gotta practice that ambiance... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435118655362170886/697655144484962374/DirectX_9_Mark_V_2020-04-08_20-39-35_Trim.mp4
tall zenith
normal osprey
Yes sireeebob
viscid sinew
It's Quake after all π
normal osprey
Yeah boi
viscid sinew
There's been this awesome collaboration between the Quake Mapping and Dark Ambience Discords it's been glorious
alpine depot
i didnt know quake could look that good
timber atlas
man, that's spicy.
sinful galleon
But could it be spicier?
timber atlas
the custom skyboxes where the friends we made along the way.
worn umbra
i dont want friends i want custom skyboxes!
wooden pier
Woah this is that level from Quake Halloween Jam 2
I playin it recently
And there is author of it, right there OMG
Quake community those we should learn from
long anchor
^^^
honest stag
lol well the quake community has all tools at it's disposal unlike us
but yeah they make amazing shit
long anchor
lol well the quake community has all tools at it's disposal unlike us
at least brushwork\texturework\lightwork
honest stag
not skyboxes!
they are important
and fog too
long anchor
also ents placement like weapons, enemies, ammo and stuff
hmmm
that basic stuff you know
btw we're getting HL-like level transition at some point right?
ancient depot
muuuuuch later
that's super complex to do right now
but support for HL level transitions is on the list
long anchor
ok
ancient depot
as for skyboxes, I'll be looking into custom ones for the next patch
not 3D skyboxes, but custom cube textures
honest stag
NEXT PATCH POG
long anchor
how it will be on our side? we will need special prefix for texture or it's configurable through worldspawn properties?
ancient depot
Likely the latter
long anchor
gotcha
ancient depot
will probably be something like "skybox" "textures/skies/my_cool_sky.png"
although it might also be something like "sky_up" "textures/skies/my_cool_sky/up.png" with one for each side of the cube
long anchor
we could make better SBs with second variation ^
ancient depot
the second variation would also be easier to implement
long anchor
nice
still raptor
this obviously means you will have to distribute your textures with your mod
for the skybox, at least
long anchor
well yes
honest stag
no big deal tho
at least we're going to have them
long anchor
what duskdevs can say about triggering sfxs on level?
What about screen shaking effect?
honest stag
my guess is
"no"
long anchor
what duskdevs can say about triggering sfxs on level?
also some kind of ambient like machine noises
still raptor
there will be custom scripting
long anchor
alright
still raptor
so literally anything is possible
like you could make absolutely an entirely different game if you wanted to
long anchor
how to promote it? "built on Dusk?"
honest stag
so like is scripting already in the oven or are you guys trying to make mapping fully supported first
my english sucks today
long anchor
how about making Quake 2 in Dusk but it's proper sequel to Quake 1
ancient depot
@honest stag both kinda
Scripting has been iterated on a bunch separately
But it's on hold now as maps are the focus
alpine depot
is there a way to activate an entity when an enemy dies?
i saw Criadus do something like that in the second level, where it would count down how many enemies had to be killed in order to proceed
onyx marten
maybe with a trigger_counter?
ancient depot
@alpine depot enemies will automatically trigger their target on death
long anchor
^^^
alpine depot
https://dusk.mod.io/derailed I updated Derailed! No more pesky softlocking by the hands of that wretched elevator sequence! Also MUSIC!!!!!!!!
onyx marten
cool I'll check it out asap
alpine depot
New map(s) coming shortly too
i can probably get a new one out by the end of the week
timber atlas
Derailed was neat till I fell off the elevator, glad it's fixed π
Also I'd suggest making that button in the key door room more obvious as it took me a long time to figure out that it was a button
sharp trail
@alpine depot where you a quake 1 mapper?
worn umbra
how do i actually add music to my map?
honest stag
the music file goes into a "music" folder in your mod, format should be .ogg or .flac or .wav pretty sure
then add a worldspawn propety "music", with "music/coolmusic101.ogg" being the value
timber atlas
speaking of release, anyone have any idea what's gonna be in the next sdk update?
honest stag
a "boosname" property for bosses
alpine depot
i saw someone already change the name of their boss in one map
i think it's if you set "targetname"?
ancient depot
you mean friendship?
alpine depot
yeah
ancient depot
it's never normally seen ingame
ancient depot
epic david humor
alpine depot
some ought to change its alert sound to be one of the ponies
long anchor
waiting
honest stag
waiting
worn umbra
patience is a virtue, which means YOU ARE ALL SINNERS.
btw @long anchor can i yoink your install guide?
long anchor
sure
honest stag
alright let's give it a go
honest stag
so first of all - i suggest building some mountains on the map edges with invisible brushes so the player can climb them, but i like the look of everything!
i found the roof secret without actually getting to it, i found it later but still - the secret brush seems to be too large
it's kinda difficult to deal with 2 scarecrows with just a sword, i found the mortar secret afterwards but dealing with 1 is hard enough lol
this map gives me a weirdly peaceful and nostalgic feeling, i love it for some reason
the bossfight was pretty cool due to the limited arsenal
i really really liked it overall that was cool
found 3/5 secrets
worn umbra
this map gives me a weirdly peaceful and nostalgic feeling, i love it for some reason
aww
did you play on ICTI or CM?
honest stag
icti
i learned my lesson that saving is important when playing custom maps on CM after playing many levels and having to start them all over
candid dew
cool map, the boss fight was the only complaint i have, it felt like i had too few weapons to deal with him, + he couldnt path to the upper level, which was completely safe
but i really liked the transition in the middle
coral beacon
umm my lights dont work alltho i ran it with the light thingy and put the lit data thing in there (i did everything that worked with the other ones and still works till now) whats possably cousing this?
honest stag
can i see your light entity properties?
coral beacon
just the standert stuff i have anyway also with color
coral beacon
coral beacon
i had it anyway on all the other ones why is it cousing problems now?
coral beacon
ok
long anchor
angle shouldn't cause any problems i think, I also have some light ents with angle after rotating both light and brush and it works fine
honest stag
hm
can you link the map so i can try and compile it?
yo devs, NBREFRESH isnt working for me anymore i think
long anchor
I think they found it out ^ on one of the streams
honest stag
oh i just found out that the playermodel lights up depending on the light BELOW it, not around it
long anchor
oof
honest stag
that's cool to know tho
long anchor
uhhhh...
long anchor
yeah
considering how sometimes insane ladders can be
damn
boss room is damn hard
worn umbra
CM?
long anchor
yea
also it seems that bots here delete messages which contain the shortened version of thing called "can't beat this" syndrom
thanks joel
anyway
I like the level
sometimes sword block screws me but that's ok
that actually gave me an idea for experimental level
one guy made parkour level where you had to rivetjump and stuff
I think about the level built upon the fact that you can deflect projectiles with sickles
like
mage's throwing fireballs at you, you deflect them into the button that opens door
etc
long anchor
time to play derailed 2.0
long anchor
^
its a lot easier when you designed the level
it's almost the same as if you were playing one game over and over for your entire life
worn umbra
speedrunners cry in the corner
long anchor
heh
worn umbra
Patched Taiga, now mentioned bugs should be fixed.
regal ore
I've updated my weapons sounds mod. It's a tiny update, includes reworked crossbow sound, but it marks the full release of the mod. https://dusk.mod.io/weapons-sfx-reimagined
Re-recorded the showcase video and included a gameplay demo for those who'd like to see it in action.
honest stag
oh hell yeah
i love your mod mang, literally never turned it off since you released the first version lmao
regal ore
Thank you!
If anyone wants to include these sounds in their total conversions or whatever, feel free to do so.
worn umbra
The SFX mod is one i always keep on
honest stag
i keep 2 on - the weapon sfx and the quake 3 pickups and some weapon draw sounds
onyx marten
is it possible to trigger enemies? so they would aggro?
honest stag
I tried it a while ago, dont think it worked
but that sounds like something that should be in
onyx marten
yeah we need everything quake has
long anchor
@regal ore damn that still sounds awesome
crossbow sound was the one i didn't really like in previous versions, rework sounds cool
also i don't know if it's just me being deaf after 3 hours of HL ost
but for me sounds sound kinda inconsistent? like, the volume?
i'm not sure
regal ore
I think the game itself plays certain sounds quieter than it should be. For example crossbow plays like it's set at -12db or something like that.
ancient depot
So in Quake a monster will be alerted if triggered by something?
long anchor
yes
ancient depot
I'll add that to the list for the next patch too then, should be easy
long anchor
on one of my quake maps i had grenade launcher that alerted ogre when picked up
I think the game itself plays certain sounds quieter than it should be. For example crossbow plays like it's set at -12db or something like that.
perhaps
also i wonder where did you learn how to make such sounds from scratch
ancient depot
You'd have to ask David and Andrew, all the audio was done by them
long anchor
haha
ancient depot
context is everything folks
long anchor
^^^
regal ore
Years and years of practice. Since like 2010 I was making sounds for linear media. Youtube videos to be more precise. To be even more precise, since 2012 I've been creating sound effects for various Source Filmmaker videos. Mostly my own. Then a couple of years earlier I worked on a couple of indie titles that never got released because fuck me, that's why. And a year ago I started just playing around with game sound design and stuff like that. Now I'm just seeking sound design job, but everybody has sound guys these days.
If you'd like to know how exactly I do these things, then it's pretty simple. 50% of the success is good source material. Properly recorded gunshots really do half of your job. You only have to mix them, trim, do some special effects and stuff like that. Your best friends are compressor and limiter. And equalizer to add beef or brightness.
long anchor
interesting
onyx marten
^^
long anchor
and where do you usually take source material? Internet, or you record some by your own? both?
regal ore
Everywhere. Free libraries, commercial libraries, own recordings. You can also extract sounds from some youtube videos where people shoot guns and work with it, but most of the time sounds in these are recorded by the camera so every gun sounds almost the same. So you'll have to do a shit ton of processing to get at least something.
long anchor
ah, i see
small gate
is there like, a roadmap for planned SDK milestones? wondering how deep in the dev queue scripting is
long anchor
^^^
I mean
Zombie implemented bossname thingy in next patch only because I asked about it lol
(correct me if i'm wrong Zom)
tight fractal
Itβs cool that you guys are excited and want to know more but our dev methods really havenβt changed: Itβll be done when itβs done and we arenβt going to give you a date that it might be done on
Though Iβm sure gleaming through zombs messages would give you a good idea on how things are moving
long anchor
^
small gate
yeah I got that much, I was just wondering how many other things were still in the backlog before it
onyx marten
well it's nice at least to regularly hear from them, i mean they at least often say what they're workin on rn
ancient depot
is there like, a roadmap for planned SDK milestones? wondering how deep in the dev queue scripting is
for several reasons, scripting is at the very bottom
mainly because so many things need to be considered "stable" before it can be implemented
otherwise scripting would break with like, every update
onyx marten
yeah that makes sense
ancient depot
There is a date planned for "1.0", and I'm pretty confident it can be reached, but if we announce it then we have to commit to it
ancient depot
Gonna take a risk and say it's between now and the heat death of the universe
honest stag
"scripting is at the very bottom"
Well shit
ancient depot
Note however
QuakeC support is on the list, and it's approaching quickly
It's not the official way we intend for people to write scripts for the game, but it'll hold people over, I imagine
tight fractal
yeah but zombie when will dawn support brutal doom???
ancient depot
tight fractal
small gate
all that talk and I see no discussion on official daikatana support for dusk sdk
also yeah, I guess I should've seen that one coming. thanks for being upfront tho
ancient depot
That one will be more fun to bring out of nowhere
small gate
just launch it on an april fools, its a double jape you see, because people will think it's a joke
but it's really not
coral beacon
is trigger_teleport supported yet? mine doesnt seem to work
it teleports but only to the start of the level but i placed a teleport destinΓ‘tion with target naems and everything and it still teleports me to the beginning (were i also fall tru the floor for some reason)
onyx marten
It should work
If it doesnt have a target it teleports you to the map origin i think, are you sure the target /target names are correct?
coral beacon
well it atomaticly show me the right name so i can just click on the right thing
onyx marten
Wait do you use a trigger_ teleport as the destination?
coral beacon
no the teleport_destination entitiy
onyx marten
Huh
Weird
Hard to say without seeing the setup, gotta hit the bed anyways. Good luck with that
coral beacon
the teleporter
onyx marten
I'm not quite sure but i think it needs to have a trigger texture
alpine depot
If I add -fence to my Light.exe parameters (I'm using Eric W's compiling tools), does it bake shadows through transparent textures that way?
alpine depot
oh wait there is no -fence parameter is there
raytracing light through fence textures
i'm just trying to figure out why something like this isn't working with the compiler by default, unless it is and i'm not using lights correctly
candid dew
I believe -fence was turned into default behavior. I think you need to add _shadow 1 to your fence brushes though
@coral beacon I was having the same issue with one of my teleporters, managed to fix it by moving the teleporter away from a wall/ceiling
coral beacon
btw can you place water in levels already?
gritty night
you should be able to yeah
coral beacon
ho boi well i think the main compin shoulda put more chompers in levels im gonna fix that in my levels for sure
still raptor
i agree
but they were a very late addition
and being honest, they arent tied to water in any way
we were going to do that, but sort of ran out of time
so if you place them, theyll fly around outside of water
thats why you only ever fight them in enclosed spaces
we were gonna do a thing where if you managed to get them out of water they would flop around helplessly on the ground
but time and effort got in the way
onyx marten
and being honest, they arent tied to water in any way
they ruin a lotta quake maps inside of dusk because of that lol
still raptor
yeah your door is rotating around 0 0 0
basically you need to place it at 0 0 0, and give it the coords you want it to actually be at iirc
long anchor
still raptor
although i believe zombie was gonna work on a solution for that
long anchor
basically you need to place it at 0 0 0, and give it the coords you want it to actually be at iirc
wait do you mean door_rotating or ?
Vriska said i need regular door on 0 0 0, no?
honest stag
nah
honest stag
i should have specified
honest stag
Κ²α΅Λ’α΅ Λ‘αΆ¦α΅α΅ α΅Κ°α΅ α΅βΏα΅αΆ¦Κ³α΅ Λ’α΅α΅
still raptor
oof owie
long anchor
got it to work
honest stag
noice
long anchor
still raptor
so it was rushed out
long anchor
fix, literally unplayable
still raptor
wait whats the issue here
long anchor
if you use it again when it's moving it's like it's changing the original placement
I used it while moving and now it's like if it was opened from the start
and now it's auto opens
I thought wait -1 could help but now I can't close it
ancient depot
yeah that stuff needs tweaking
will be fixed
a door is meant to ignore triggers if it's open (and not a toggle door)
onyx marten
is the crystal of madness available? I NEED IT
long anchor
Is that a lightmap issue?
ancient depot
Could be, try looking at it in Quake or HL
long anchor
oh sure
ancient depot
is the crystal of madness available? I NEED IT
It might have been missed, I'll ensure it's in for the next patch as well
does using counts as trigger?
yes
onyx marten
great thanks!
long anchor
what does this mean
gritty forge
@ancient depot can we get physics brushes
worn umbra
like the pushables in HL?
ancient depot
we have func_pushable currently
@long anchor try running it in half-life
or a different quake port
ancient depot
What port did you try with above?
long anchor
Quakespasm
ancient depot
Try Darkplaces
I don't think DP enforces the alignment
Basically textures are usually required to have a size that's divisible by 16 in Quake, Dusk doesn't enforce that (because it has no reason to), and neither does Darkplaces to my knowledge
ancient depot
Thankfully not a bug then
ancient depot
You'll need to tweak the brush sizes & positions I suppose
or try different lightmap settings
long anchor
oh hmm
ancient depot
I think it was added at the same time as func_breakable actually
oddly it appears to have been forgotten in the patch notes
or maybe it was in before the first patch
long anchor
Should breakables give you a message when broken?
ancient depot
nope
long anchor
sad π¦
ancient depot
just make them trigger a regular message when broken
ancient depot
np lmao
ancient depot
I'm looking forward to when we're done with the Quake & HL entity support and can start doing our own entities
I have some interesting ideas for the Dusk entity set
long anchor
obv it goes lower
tight fractal
Too bad weβll never get there :(
ancient depot
One thing I want to do is detach functionality from things
So you can have something that's both a door and a breakable
long anchor
wow
ancient depot
eg, our func_door wouldn't be on the brush
you set the brush to its target
same for breakable, etc
still raptor
yeah that extra abstraction is nice
long anchor
very excited to see where lower goes
if to be serious - I'm trying to fix all shits from previous map, like not having enough ammo, not so satisfying lighting, overall level design where enemies stand behind fences and they can clearly see you but the don't give a shit about dude killing their mates
ancient depot
So our door would look like:
{
"classname" "component_door"
"entity" "brush_door1"
"pivot" "point_door1_pivot"
"type" "1" // rotating
"speed" "50"
}
and you'd also have a component_trigger_use for useable doors, etc
long anchor
and i'm adding more cool stuff like lines from protagonist, some kind of simple lore and setpieces (i've got at least two on my mind and I think they're awesome)
@ancient depot I really hope stuff like this will be implemented
ancient depot
That's the plan
long anchor
that sounds really cool
ancient depot
Once we're done with the Q1 & HL entity sets, the Dusk-specific ones like that will come along
You set a value on worldspawn like "namespace" "dusk"
and then those "component"-like entities become available
If we decide to support BSP in games like MaxAx or Gloomwood, the implementation would be similar
You'd have "namespace" "gloomwood" and "namespace" "maxax"
and they'd have their own sets of entities
long anchor
I still have no idea what's gloomwood but ok
ancient depot
honest stag
which one
honest stag
i dont think i released a map since the lost mansion actually
i am working on more but yeah
gritty forge
oof
gilded saddle
i could forsee some interesting stuff with that abstraction. question though would func_physbox be considered?
sharp trail
@long anchor did you make your own music for the maps?
long anchor
nope it's just a background
although i'm making my own music
sometimes
i'll probably make something for future maps
onyx marten
is it possible atm to have multiple multi_manager entities trigger a trigger_counter? because when I try it the first mm i trigger completes the sequence
onyx marten
three multi_managers like this (obv with different keys but all have "count"
the trigger counter
and the target of the counter has targetname "endteleport"
oh yeah and the multi_managers are triggered by 3 buttons
ancient depot
@onyx marten count goes on trigger_counter, not the multi_manager
onyx marten
oh shit, i even had it right before. thanks!
hardy seal
is having Quake necessary for making mods?
honest stag
nope
hardy seal
ok, cuz the trenchbroom tutorial shows it using quake for configuration
honest stag
nope
use quake
but you need some files for trenchbroom to "think" you have quake
to be specific - .pak files and a palette.lmp file
hardy seal
and where do i nab those?
honest stag
quake wiki should have both of them
worn umbra
tbh the .pak and .lmp should be pinned
honest stag
.pak files go into <anyfolder>\id1
the palette file goes into <samefolder>\id1\gfx if i'm not mistaken
then you set the game path in trenchbroom to that folder
hardy seal
so just make a new folder with Trenchbroom for ease, do all that, then set the path
honest stag
basically as long as trenchbroom points to a folder that has id1 and anything needed in it - you're good
gritty forge
hi folks, do you know where I can find a blockout texture .wad file ?
gritty forge
yes
gritty forge
sweet
honest stag
do we have trigger_relay support?
ancient depot
no, I'll add that to the list
I just got done rewriting a bunch of the door code, so it behaves more accurately now
Notice how that sliding door doesn't act all weird now (previously, because we didn't properly support the 'TOGGLE' spawn flag, the door would open and close wildly if you got too close)
honest stag
oh wow actual toggle is now a thing? awesome
ancient depot
Doors will now also ignore triggers if they're moving
honest stag
so you cant press a door while it's opening?
ancient depot
A door can only be triggered if:
- It is closed
- It is open, and has the toggle flag
This may break some maps unfortunately, but that's why we're in alpha
honest stag
does that include door_rotating?
honest stag
hell yeah
oh god my automatic mall doors are etiher going to be completely broken or work better now
tepid python
Inb4 my func vehicle map breaks
honest stag
oh god oh fuck not func vehicle oh no
ancient depot
NOT FUNC_SHITTYTRUCK!
worn umbra
FUKFUKFUFKUFUFUno
ancient depot
okay so
func_vehicle still works
but does that map use sky textures or something? lol
because the sides of the vehicle just draw the skybox
still raptor
yeah its because they used sky brushes and not clip brushes
before, skies were fully transparent, but that wasnt correct behavior
gritty forge
What a NERD
still raptor
theyre meant to occlude geometry
ancient depot
since clip brushes are currently not functional, I should add a func_clip
which turns a brush invisible, but keeps it solid
worn umbra
oh yes please
still raptor
thatd work
worn umbra
i dont want tohave to make my walls out of supersized transparent textures
ancient depot
Yeah I actually really hate how Quake decided to attach behaviour to texture names
worn umbra
things gotta get... FUNCY
ancient depot
still raptor
a new record
gritty forge
thanks zombie very cool
hey @long anchor how did you manage to have glass ? i'm using the glass texture from dusk.wad, but i suppose the brush need to be set as func_glass or something
tight fractal
Bank bou bombie berry bool bor bou bo bupbate buh busk bdk
tight fractal
func_lastfewduskworldbugs
gritty forge
alright thanks zom i'll take a look
long anchor
i'm using rendermode 1 and renderamt 150 for me glass
gritty forge
hmm am I supposed to be on the dusk_sdk branch for the latest stuff or does it just go to the normal one
ancient depot
dusk_sdk
gritty forge
okey thanks zomb
long anchor
since clip brushes are currently not functional, I should add a func_clip
which turns a brush invisible, but keeps it solid
so there will be no need in rendermode and renderamt to make invisible walls? cool, cool
ancient depot
yes
gritty forge
just gonna smack this here
eternal sail
My apologies if it has already been announced, but is there any ETA for a new moddable version? I am working on an unofficial Russian localization and have troubles with new textures and/or soundfiles appearing in-game despite making exact copies of its originals filename-wise. Any kind of response is appreciated.
honest stag
i thought we already have Russian as a language
eternal sail
Yeah, but only text and UI. I decided to go postal-2-route and re-draw the textures and do the voice-over.
still raptor
man i wanted to officially redo the textures with all languages in mind, but it wouldve been a lot of extra work
that said , yeah youll run into issues for a while with that, as decal replacement is as of yet unsupported
eventually it will be
eternal sail
I already started redoing it, just wanted to know if there is any date on when it will work. Eventually is an optimistic date none the less, thanks for answering.
eternal sail
Absolutely understandable
still raptor
hopefully sooner rather than later
eternal sail
Well, a more broad deadline for me
still raptor
right now the priority is supporting custom maps
and once thats ironed out, all the other stuff can begin to make its way in
models, scripting, ui mods, etc
and that will likely include all the features youre looking for
long anchor
@eternal sail yet it wouldn't be 100% Dusk without Dave's voice for BJ
let's teach Dave how to speak like real slav
eternal sail
Oh, it stays. I made it so it is 2 tracks playing at the same time, with Russian a little bit louder. Was going for that 90-s Russian bootleg translation VHS style, since it is a parody of a Swarznegger movie. A little bit of adaptation on my part π
eternal sail
Tried to copy the nose-voice of that time as well.
eternal sail
Might be hard to get a hold of him since he became quite the character here, but that is a great idea.
long anchor
Duskdevs, will there be a way to make your own props and objects, or it will be a scripting thingy?
regal ore
Fargus style translation when
long anchor
Fargus
please no
tepid python
what am i supposed to use instead of the sky brushes
because the clip texture makes the brushes transparent and not solid, and skip textures make the brushes transparent and they become water
also on level completion playing that same level the audio reverts back to the default sounds
ancient depot
In the current build there is no solution because the clip texture is busted
In the next patch you can use a func_clip brush
Well... technically there is a solution actually
you can use a regular brush and set renderamt to 0 and rendermode to 1
gritty forge
zom π implementing hacks
ancient depot
func_clip is less hacky than a clip texture tbh
the whole "texture names affect behaviour :)" thing is a major blemish on an otherwise really well designed system
smh id
gritty forge
I meant renderamt and rendermode
ancient depot
can blame Valve for that one
candid dew
you can use a regular brush and set renderamt to 0 and rendermode to 1
@ancient depot wouldn't this block gunfire though
ancient depot
It would
candid dew
i mean it's fine, I don't care at all since we're getting func_clip soon anyway
coral beacon
guys how do i place water?
onyx marten
Place a brush,make it func_water
hardy seal
do mods only work in the SDK version of the game?
ancient depot
Yes
hardy seal
ok
ancient depot
Just fixed decal texture replacements
So you can customize the wall scribbles in the campaign now
gritty forge
thanks zombie
onyx marten
@ancient depot can you say where a save system is on your priority list
onyx marten
Oh sorry lol
onyx marten
Just approximately
ancient depot
without pings I'd miss questions like that
but basically it's not very high up, since saving requires other features to be "stable"
otherwise the saves are gonna break every time those features change
onyx marten
Oh alright, thanks
ancient depot
at present, if we tried to shoehorn in save support, the game would have two separate save systems at once
and neither would be compatible with each other
(saves being disabled in the SDK is actually just a menu thing, you could edit the .dlls to enable it, but it'd only work in the campaign)
ancient depot
I mean if it's really really important, we can probably put something super basic in, eg, just records what enemies are dead, etc
but there'd be a ton of edge cases where it wouldn't work
alpine depot
@onyx marten do secret teleporters as a "checkpoint" system
like, when you're halfway through, it'll tell you where one is hidden in the start of the map
alpine depot
just give everyone 100 health and morale pickups lol
ancient depot
note that even when I say something is low on the priority list, that doesn't necessarily mean it's that far away
onyx marten
Thats an interesting idea
ancient depot
there's quite a few things blocking saves and scripting, but once the big issues are dealt with, it's actually mostly small quick and easy stuff
onyx marten
Man once the sdk is done its going to be so cool
onyx marten
Cant wait
ancient depot
Looks like for my "must have" list for the next patch, I just have trigger_hurt, trigger_relay and skyboxes left
alpine depot
so for the next patch we can change skyboxes?
ancient depot
Yeah
long anchor
onyx marten
Oooh nice
alpine depot
PERFECT FUCKING TIMINGGGGGGGGGGG
OHHHHHHHH BABYYYYYYYY
i cant believe im getting so excited over skyboxes
ancient depot
and we have func_clip as a replacement for clip brushes, since those are busted and will be a bitch to get working
onyx marten
With Trigger hurt you could make water hurt the player?
ancient depot
yeah
alpine depot
gee i wish i had that instead of remaking an entire section in Derailed
stupid clip brushes >:(
onyx marten
Aw man i need func clip
long anchor
^
alpine depot
or just have a bunch of func_illusionary's
ancient depot
I wonder if it'd make sense to make it possible to break the flashlight with trigger_hurt
instead of a custom one like trigger_flashlight_break
alpine depot
wait could you do a negative value on trigger_hurt and it'd add health?
long anchor
hmm
long anchor
hmm
alpine depot
lol time to make DUSK: XEN
ancient depot
I'm thinking a trigger_hurt with 0 damage and a damage type of break_flashlight would work
long anchor
wait could you do a negative value on trigger_hurt and it'd add health?
that kinda reminded me of two HL doors that can make you invicible cause instead of hurting you they heal you
alpine depot
why do those doors bug out like that anyways?
long anchor
cause of the damage value
alpine depot
did they ahve like, hurt triggers on the edges so it'd hurt the player if it closed in on them?
ohh i see
and for some reason it tied to the doors closing, so when it opens it'd be the opposite
long anchor
it's not 1 to hurt you by 1 but it's -1 and it heals you
long anchor
yeah
ancient depot
heh, I wonder
should I make the burn damage type set things on fire?
get an enemy to fall in lava, they burn
alpine depot
i dont see why else it's there >:)
you could set trees on fire too lol
start a wildfire in-game
ancient depot
Referring to the HL values, of course
long anchor
should I make the burn damage type set things on fire?
get an enemy to fall in lava, they burn
*** Y E S***
David didn't make all his imsim stuff for nothing, we're gonna continue his legacy
gritty forge
TRAIN
onyx marten
David didn't make all his imsim stuff for nothing, we're gonna continue his legacy
^^^
I want to be able to make a deus ex with good shooting
ancient depot
I was gonna sleep but fug it I'll do trigger hurt right now
gritty forge
Go sleeep
ancient depot
why on earth would I do that
gritty forge
Oh boi
gritty forge
I thought you were only like 6 hours ahead of me
onyx marten
Thats me like everyday the last two weeks
long anchor
Do Zom ever sleeps
gritty forge
Nah
ancient depot
Do Zom ever sleeps
no
long anchor
damn
alpine depot
zombies dont need to sleep lol
ancient depot
trigger_hurt & trigger_relay done
trigger_hurt doesn't care about the damage type yet, but I'll do that later
timber atlas
trigger_hurt_me_plenty
candid dew
I can't wait to be able to inflict physical pain in addition to emotional
ancient depot
custom skyboxes are in
alpine depot
π
ancient depot
You set sky_up, sky_down, sky_left, etc in worldspawn
alpine depot
that's gonna work so well with my next map
ancient depot
to a texture path
the example above is
"sky_up" "textures/skybox_top.png"
"sky_down" "textures/skybox_stars_bottom.png"
"sky_left" "textures/skybox_left.png"
"sky_right" "textures/skybox_right.png"
"sky_back" "textures/skybox_stars_back.png"
"sky_front" "textures/skybox_stars_front.png"```we're not just limited to dusk skyboxes right?
ancient depot
you can use any texture you want
gritty forge
I'd love to see people use Doom and Unreal skyboxes.
alpine depot
yooo shit i can finally make Derailed have a proper night skybox
moody lighting and everything
i was gonna originally work around the lack of skyboxes with brushes with the black texture on it, but it didnt look too good
but now i dont have to!
ancient depot
with that we're patch-ready I think, I'll save the flashlight stuff for a hotfix
hardy seal
oh baby
ancient depot
should be out either tomorrow or the next day
alpine depot
oh BABY
hardy seal
can't wait to figure out how to abuse this
ancient depot
assuming the build doesn't implode, yes
long anchor
nice nice nice
hardy seal
now the Tim Allen mod can live up to its name
ancient depot
just in time 
last talon
420.... 20
tepid python
func_vehicle is updated, rendermode/renderamt didn't seem to work so I just replaced the sky brushes with another solution
gritty forge
is it realistic for someone with no previous game design or programming experience to try and make a lil dusk mod?
tepid python
Yes
It is quite easy and if something is not working out then most people in this channel are willing to help
vocal swan
I'm in the same situation as josh!, I've done sound and texture replacements, but when model and script support comes out, I wanna see what I can do
ancient depot
Making mods is the best way to get into game development, imo
So absolutely yes, you can make a mod with no previous experience
hardy seal
i am also the same as josh
i have some programming experience but haven't made a real game
nor do i have the mental fortitude to stick to expanding my game design skills in normal ways
but modding sounds hella fun
alpine depot
can an NPC have a message value?
onyx marten
Its even kind of sad that most people from quake's modding scene are only doing it as a hobby given the amount of creativity they show
The well known mappers could definitely make better fps games than a lot of AAA studios
tepid python
how does func door rotating work in trenchbroom? tried some func door variables but doesn't seem to do anything
honest stag
Rotating doors are a fucking mess right now and require the actual door to be placed at XYZ 0 0 0, have an "origin" property which is set to coordinates of the place which you want the door to rotate around and have a "distance" property that decides how far the door goes
You can also add a "speed" property for obvious things
alpine depot
SSG but it fires out a slow-ish soap projectile instead of hitscan bullets
alpine depot
can keys be teleported with a trigger_teleport?
coral beacon
trigger_teleport can teleport all kinds of objects also like shotguns, health etc... so i think you can
now i have a question: how do play music in my costum levels?
long anchor
Make "music" folder in your mod folder and drop your music here
Then go to TB and add new property to worldspawn called... "music"
And add a path as a value
Like
"music/memusic.ogg"
coral beacon
ok thx
coral beacon
well it does nothing i triple checked the link so nothing wrong with that but i just got this random platform just sitting here now and it doesnt do anything do need to trigger the music or something?
@long anchor pls explain D:
oh nevermind just the sdk being wierd again
long anchor
uh
ohoh
sorry i just came to my pc
what do you mean weird?
I remember other guy who also had problems with adding music
coral beacon
i saved the music thingy didnt work editet other parts of the level not the music saved again and then suddanly it worked (i didnt forgot to put in ericws tools and put it in the right map folder since the worldspawn was there but not the music along with it so i dunno)
also is it possable to change musics in levels i dont want the same action music for the intire level
also very much thx VEVEN π
long anchor
also is it possable to change musics in levels i dont want the same action music for the intire level
uh
alpine depot
hopefully, anyways
coral beacon
oh well then im just gonna do some ambient music for the intire level
gritty forge
hey fellas I'm playing Lower and I can't figure out were the yellow keycard is supposed to go
long anchor
you can't activate the lift without it
at least it shouldn't
actually let me check
yeah key for the lift buttons is set to 3
I think i need to make it more obvious when i'll be reworking this level
gritty forge
oh okey
yeah I had the yellow key last time I played it
so I didn't notice you needed it for the lift
long anchor
there's a little yellow plate on top the button that no one notices
gritty forge
also can you chance the text on the door that says "I think it opens from the other side"
it kind of makes it seam you can get to the other side
long anchor
or "it won't open" door?
ah
i see
door that says "I think it opens from the other side"
oops i just forgot how to read
sorre me stoopid
gritty forge
also I've noticed theres a invisible wall here, maybe thats intentional?
long anchor
I don't really remember why I made wall there
probably because in early versions you could get mortar in first 10 seconds of the level
gritty forge
I mean you can still stack barrels
gritty forge
you can get past the red door by putting a barrel here
long anchor
that's where I should've put invisible wall
although I don't really like invisible walls
gritty forge
I hate em
long anchor
I think i have only two that restricts the passage from mid level to the end
one here so you can't go straight to the red key section
and two here so you can't fall straight to changelevel trigger
I think others just won't let you outside the level
gritty forge
I also found this one
gritty forge
yee
long anchor
I'll add it to rework list and then decide to keep it or not
long anchor
I made a lock
one guy asked if i can make it breakable so door opens when it breaks
I didn't want the door to open
and made half breakable
gritty forge
lmao okey
long anchor
ancient depot
Patch notes, in preparation for it releasing in hopefully a few hours
SDK Patch 2020-13-04
* Corpses, jump pads and teleporters now react to lighting
* Objects will no longer occasionally appear completely black in levels
* The FakeDOS screen is now capped to 60 FPS, rather than being uncapped
* Added 'bossname' property for boss monsters
* Added 'prop_madness_crystal' entity
* 'func_door' now has more Quake/GoldSrc-accurate behaviour, and respects the toggle flag
* Added the 'func_clip' entity, which acts as an alternative to (currently nonfunctional) clip textures
* Decal textures (such as wall scribbles) can now be replaced
* Added 'trigger_hurt'
* Added 'trigger_relay' as an alias for 'trigger_multiple'
* Support for custom skyboxes. Requires several properties on 'worldspawn' to be set to texture paths ('sky_front', 'sky_back', 'sky_left', 'sky_right', 'sky_up', 'sky_down')
hell yes!
honest stag
s k y b o x
ancient depot
onyx marten
oooooh
ancient depot
I ended up sleeping until 6pm earlier lmao
so I've only been awake for like 4 hours
still raptor
onyx marten
func_clip 
ancient depot
func_
long anchor
gritty forge
Func_poggers
coral beacon
the hype is real
long anchor
guess so
honest stag
"* Decal textures (such as wall scribbles) can now be replaced" what does this mean exactly?
ancient depot
Previously the messages on the walls and such in the campaign wouldn't get replaced properly
Now that simply works
and skybox images can be jpg or png, same as any other texture
honest stag
Alright understood, thanks
ancient depot
Interesting that SvenCoop has a func_clip
Might tweak ours to its spec in future patches
tepid python
why's the opening locked to 60?