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#dusk-modding
still raptor
gritty forge
Oof ty
still raptor
np
honest stag
that's the third question about this today, hmmm 
coarse cargo
Did anyone not have the bspinfo.exe file in their SDK folder? I can't seem to find it and I'm at the right directory.
honest stag
see 500
told ya something was wrong with it
stone copper
Help
honest stag
you dont really need bspinfo - you can get compiling tools like ericw's and go from there
stone copper
I somehow got into a top down view of TB and dont know what button i pressed
coarse cargo
You happen to have a link to that?
honest stag
1 moment
actually i can just drop the archive here
i suggest watching the 2 mnute TB tutorial in pinned messages and the dumptruck_ds trenchbroom tutroials for setups too
stone copper
How to I get back to the regular view?
coarse cargo
Cool. Thanks.
honest stag
or just restart trenchbroom
pretty sure it just resets to 3d view
did ya do it doc?
midnight jewel
Space bar toggles views
midnight jewel
NP
honest stag
pretty sure you see everything in fullbright in tb untill you compile the map?
not sure
gritty forge
allg
stone copper
Question, when you guys are in TB do you see the actual textures from the DUSK.wad or are they black for you too?
They work in game
But not in TB
stone copper
I get an error about the Palette.lmb and I have no idea how to fix it
gritty forge
did you download the quake palette
gritty forge
Put it in steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\MyMods
stone copper
Yes
gritty forge
shit fam no idea then
stone copper
"Could not load palette file 'gfx\palette.lmp': File not found: 'gfx\palette.lmp"
ancient depot
Removed the incorrect info from the FAQ page before it confuses more people lmao
Just links the 2 minute video now
honest stag
let's try and figure this out doc
so you try to load a paletter file into TB but there is an error of some kind? @stone copper
palette*
stone copper
So I put DUSK.wad in
It loads the textures, but in TB they're all black, they work in game though
and it gives me a "Could not load palette file 'gfx\palette.lmp': File not found: 'gfx\palette.lmp" error
honest stag
let me look into that and see how i have it setup
small gate
that file isn't included by default, you need to download it from somewhere else
stone copper
I have it downloaded
small gate
it's a very easy to find file
honest stag
pretty sure you did this tho right
small gate
hmm
stone copper
I have it in steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\MyMods
honest stag
nah
dude that's not it
you need it in 2 places
the one you put there is the file that dusk uses
the other one is pretending to be a file from quake since you dont have the entire game
lemme try and see where you need to put it
1 sec
here try this
go into the trenchbroom folder - games - quake
and drop the palette file into it
honest stag
try it now
honest stag
you restarted tb right?
stone copper
Yes
honest stag
alright then - what game path do you have for quake?
even tho you dont have the game
you should have a game path
check it in - view tab, preferences
stone copper
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK
honest stag
try setting the game path to like
C:\1234 and drop the palette file there?
stone copper
Did that, no changes
ancient depot
Make a gfx folder and try putting the palette in there
Inside the folder you have marked as the game path
honest stag
ah if that doesnt work
stone copper
Nope
honest stag
alright then this
1234/id1/gfx
put it in id1 as well just in case
slam that motherfucker everywhere
honest stag
finally lol
ancient depot
lmao
gritty forge
too bad its alpha af atm
stone copper
This makes building maps so much more intuitive
gritty forge
yeah that part is very good still need more stuff
honest stag
uhm well i dont know how the dusk guys can improve a quake editor being fucky to set up
stone copper
I'm waiting or custom enemies
I mean I have no clue how to code
But some of you guys might
honest stag
pretty sure the language used is gonna be C
So might as well get a hold of it somewhat - scripting is probably a long way off fron here
honest stag
What seems to be the problem?
runic hinge
tried to install derailed, tried multiple things and it won't appear in my custom map list
i did switch to the SDK beta, put everything in it's respective folders, hit the check boxes and click apply but for some reason the .bsp doesn't seem to be detected by my game
honest stag
Did you restart the game btw?
stone copper
Is it possible to have convex angles with the vertex tool?
runic hinge
I just realized how it is SUPPOSED to work
put the who folder in there
not just the map folder
honest stag
Oh makes sense then
stone copper
YO YOU CAN ROTATE STUFF ON NON 90 DEGREE ANGLES
honest stag
ye
honest stag
I don't have much free time but i'll try my best to understand C at least on a basic level
Seems like a good idea to prepare for eventual scripting
stone copper
Okay, so you know how there are campfires that you can light? Is there a way to spawn them in already lit?
honest stag
Nope
They said it's on a to-do list tho
stone copper
Okay, fire barrels it is then
still raptor
spooky
gritty forge
how long does it make one of your levels fam the big ones
I hope to continue edit for a year or more with more stuff
still raptor
itll get better with time as we add more features too
runic hinge
after playing a few custom maps i'm impressed
gritty forge
yeah ez man take time
runic hinge
i hope in the future (which i'm sure it will happen) it will support multiple maps (a la map packs)
still raptor
it already does!
runic hinge
oh
still raptor
you can define what the next map is called
runic hinge
also yeah the lack of music does suck
still raptor
so if you make a pack you can make a campaign
a good example is if you drop all of the quake maps into the game
you can play through them and they work in order
runic hinge
hopefully we see custom weapons and enemies in the future
still raptor
you will
runic hinge
not just simple reskins
still raptor
thats one of the bigger features
gritty forge
dusk 2 confirmed
still raptor
custom models, weapons, scripting, etc
runic hinge
and hopefully beta content for modders to use then this gets implemented
honest stag
try out all the maps!
i recommend shimmering chasm, e1mwhat, actulaly pretty much all the custom maps currently playable
i think there's something to see on all of them
gritty forge
will do
honest stag
that was also a subtle shill of my own maps
gritty forge
I'll show pic
rapid spire
Hey I got a dumb question. I'm following the FAQ on how to set up TB and it states to point the dusk profile to steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\bspinfo.exe
But I don't have the bspinfo.exe in my SDK
Do I need to download it somewhere?
rapid spire
My bad I scrolled through this chat but didnt find it mentioned
honest stag
i suggest downloading compiling tools, like ericw's tools
stone copper
I done made a hill
honest stag
lemme drop that here
rapid spire
Thank you
gritty forge
Ok right lol
honest stag
check the other room for a switch
honest stag
so i got back into trying to finish up the statue and i cant figure out what to do with the hands
they seem a bit.. blocky and thin? making them bigger looks unnatural tho https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/asVAxScjfxVDYhk8D-Ke-QuwskdclgS6bk4eraf8gBw/%3Fwidth%3D454%26height%3D549/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/586508960128040961/675364464081502213/unknown.png
gritty forge
well made
runic hinge
i did try e1mwhat funnily enough
it was the 2nd one i played
kinda confusing since i couldn't find the 2nd key card
will have to try again later
lol
gritty forge
unworthy
@honest stag maybe just one blocky hand since its an old game
lool upto u
honest stag
wouldnt be right probably
gritty forge
ez
honest stag
it's easier to make 2 brushes than 1 very complicated brush sometimes
gritty forge
what sort of map is this m8
honest stag
eh it's a very earyl concept but it's a huge detailed cathedral
early*
i have something similar to it in the first section of my "the church" map
gritty forge
epic my man
stone copper
https://youtu.be/ljkd-07jDQc Ayy first level of mine with some effort, even if it's tiny
stone copper
Sure
honest stag
actually
i have 2 maps that i made a long time ago, they suck ass but they're kind of a piece of history i guess
i'll drop them for you if you're curious
gritty forge
yo the hill is nice
stone copper
I was gonna check out basilica beneath
gritty forge
imagine if massive and long right to the tip
mountain like
too much enemies in short time tbh
honest stag
i'm more of a fan of levels that are more linear but have better atmosphere and slow pacing
pretty much all my maps are like that
my man i think you forgot the lighting
gritty forge
blasphemy was fucking sick first time
honest stag
you can make a level have a sun or just a light everywhere
of course you can set the amount to whatever you want
gritty forge
Oh how can you do that?
stone copper
Hold on I just fixed some of the issues
honest stag
to make a sunlight you need a brush with a sky texture
you can get those from quake wads for example
then, on the worldspawn entity, you can set a bucnha different keys like _sunlight which is the light that sky brushes emit (you can set the angle too)
_sunlight2 which is the ambient light on all outside areas (having it be 1/4 of the _sunlight value creates a nice effect)
stone copper
Also It's supposed to be dark, you'll see in a moment
honest stag
you can have them be colored and stuff
but that isnt supported with quake compilers yet
BUT you can compile your map with the half-life bsp stuff and have colored lights anyway
gritty forge
ta
gritty forge
@honest stag mb for many questions, how do u make transparent textures? like glass or word texts
word texts have black background, i want that thing off
honest stag
first, make the brush something like func_detail
func_breakable
func_wall and stuff like that
gritty forge
oohh ty
honest stag
after you did - get to the "entity" tab on the top right
make a new property by clicking +
set it as rendermode and set the value to 1
then make a new one and name it renderamt
the value of that determines how transparent the thing will be
0 is fully transparent, 255 is not transparent
everything in between is stuff like glass ot shit
100 is nice
gritty forge
thanks alot brother
honest stag
np
ancient depot
Are you using v1 or v2 of dusk.wad?
high magnet
I'm using the one that came out the very first time the SDK launched
ancient depot
That would be v1, it was malformed and textures with a name longer than 15 characters wouldn't load properly
ancient depot
look for duskwad_v2.7z, there's a link to it in the pins
ancient depot
I'm not sure if the file has been regenerated since then but there are definitely new entries
gimme a moment and I'll generate one real quick and post it here
high magnet
Cheers mate
high magnet
Ah that's awesome man
Here's a little proof of concept for hyper-destructible environment levels
Also it's E1M1 from doom
stone copper
@high magnet Now did you model each breakable chunk individually? I'm assuming so but just checking
high magnet
Each chunk is its own func_breakable brush entity
stone copper
Kk
ancient depot
👀
stone copper
Red faction mode unlocked
honest stag
hell yeah breakable stuff is always nice to have
shame that the stuff like breakable pillars has to have an inside part anyway
that's not breakable
or else floating shit
ancient depot
@honest stag you could just link up the parts
so the lower parts trigger the upper parts
ancient depot
if you set it up that way, sure
stone copper
How do am make breakable?
honest stag
make a brush and name it func_breakable
ancient depot
func_breakable
honest stag
?
ancient depot
a brush is a piece of geometry in the level
honest stag
you made an entire level
ancient depot
so if you have a level, you have brushes
ancient depot
np
honest stag
ah ok
high magnet
Okay you know how Doom 2016 has those broken monoliths that are floating in mid-air thanks to magic electricity that goes through it, you could do that in the right setting.
honest stag
be careful and dont name worldspawn into func_breakable like i did and fucked up severely
ancient depot
wait what lmao
honest stag
i posted here when i did that and was freaking the fuck out because i was trying to make new breakable shit and it was just all linked somehow
ancient depot
reminds me of this
honest stag
lmao
stone copper
Wut
ancient depot
it was a bug scott ran into during duskworld dev
stone copper
Lol
honest stag
breakables really do more than just decorations
i made a maze but it's easy to miss enemies in it and realise that all walls can be broken
as someone said "minecraft my way out of there"
ancient depot
we still need to fix breakables not being affected by explosions
that one's real annoying
high magnet
Also I'm gonna remake Duke's E1M1 as Pennsylvania Holocaust one of these days
stone copper
?
stone copper
Are survival maps possible yet?
stone copper
Oh
I thought you just misspelled dusk to be honest. Duke is the only build engine game I don't own
Well, main game
I'm sure theres a ton of build engine games I dunno about
One thing I think DUSK missed out in representing the great state on Penns Woods, is trashy trailer parks
So I'm gonna make a trashy trailer park level
high magnet
Have some really weird shit as secrets
high magnet
Like a tent that's full of urine
stone copper
Trust me man, I live in one of those trashy trailer parks
gritty forge
Where's the file path to bsp. files so I can play them in dusk?
gritty forge
ok so I have to create a map folder, same as quake then
honest stag
example
sdk/mnt/local/MOD/maps/coolmap.bsp
stone copper
Every time I compile a map, I say "File, Compile!" without fail. It's very fun to say.
Also I found something weird
granite jackal
I gotta say, kudos to you all doing mods and maps and stuff. I hope to dive into it myself, start small and simple. I've done a little hobby animating in SFM and let me tell you: you ever aim to mimic professional quality anything, it takes me, an amateur, a couple hours to make a good breathing loop.
So I imagine it'll take me dozens of hours to make a decent map.
tranquil pelican
Have they said what the scripting will be like? What language will it be or will it be their own thing, and if it's their own thing what will it be similar to?
tranquil pelican
Will be C, or their own scripting language thats similar to it?
honest stag
i think they said it will be just C?
tranquil pelican
Nice
honest stag
better ask the dev tho
gritty forge
Tragedy
honest stag
It's "The Lost Mansion" one
honest stag
Sadly it's the outside only lol
I was hoping to make the inside part as new map but i'm way too busy now to do any mapping
But i did detail it a lot
gritty forge
very good
how do I include textures in my maps? when I load and save my quake maps with texture wads and then compile them, the textures stay when I boot up my quake but when I do the same with dusk, my bsp doesn't come with textures and it's just blank whiteness everywhere.
honest stag
Ypu need a quake palette file inside of the mod folder but outside of the maps folder
You can get it fron quake wiki
gritty forge
downloaded
what kinda folder do I have to create?
Just put it inside MyMods
k
I sent pic to you in dm
the scripting will be C-like so zombie can run it in a safe virtual machine
thx, works like a charm now
but the quake flame torch entities don't work in dusk?
can I make torches at all?
have to use the point entities, I think for lighting
Yeah you can use the light entities but make sure you run it thrue the light compiler too
Theres also small candles you can use
honest stag
There are torches but i have no clue which entitiy they are
Also candles barrels with fire all that stuff from dusk
gritty forge
light compiler? I do have it enabled with my compiling gui tool
tepid python
yeah that
honest stag
Anything possible with enough time and effort
long anchor
@tranquil pelican when i asked Zombie what i can start learning to be able to script he replied "try learning C"
so yes, it's probably going to be handled via C
gritty forge
Nah it's just zombie tricking you into learning C
The only thing I can't stand with C is that there's no namespaces
like if I include somethin it's like whops let me put a bunch of stuff in your global namespace
none of the torch entities seem to translate to dusk at all
only those point light entities
gritty forge
prop_candle
I'm using quake1 for trenchbroom, so is there something there I can use
honest stag
you can just rename entities to dusk-specific stuff from here
including object_torch
they will appear in-game like normal
gritty forge
so what is the name for dusk candle or torch?
honest stag
well
object_torch and prop_candle
candles can be pick up and thrown around
torches are static
honest stag
nowhere
it's just for reference
you look at what you need in it and then manually rename, for example, monster_army to object_torch
or monster_wizard to monster_rat
you get the idea
the full list of dusk specific stuff is in that file
gritty forge
okay I've never done this before. does Q1 directory come with a text file of sorts I can start to replace entities? like notepad++ sorta stuff where it loads those saved commands
honest stag
there is a custom .fgd for that purpose floating around here but i wont be able to find it
other than that no
lemme summon the person who made it
@lament ore we need you
i guess he's offile
actually i can find it in a moment
gritty forge
ok, thx
honest stag
i think they are mostly scaled to size as well
i think it should go here
but i'm not sure
honest stag
you can see the path on my screenshot
but again, i'm not sure because i dont actually use it
tepid python
You can put that fgd anywhere
And load it in trenchbroom at the bottom of the entities list
tight pawn
Hey boys, how do I go about adding light to my world? I can put in small white lights but what about like a sun?
rapid spire
to make a sunlight you need a brush with a sky texture
you can get those from quake wads for example
then, on the worldspawn entity, you can set a bucnha different keys like _sunlight which is the light that sky brushes emit (you can set the angle too)
_sunlight2 which is the ambient light on all outside areas (having it be 1/4 of the _sunlight value creates a nice effect)
spiral nexus
If you're compiling with ericw-tools you can compile with _sunlight [value] parameter (put it into your worldspawn entity*), if you're compiling with HL compilation tools you can place light_environment in your map.
tight pawn
Thanks guys!
tardy charm
Got a question: Is there anything in the map editor that triggers music to play?
tardy charm
Music should work in the future, right?
mental pilot
Well
They're adding SOON TM this
Custom Models
Scripting
Custom weapons
Custom Music
Full GoldSrc Support
Dev Console
And making it completely open source
and steam workshop
You should already be able to do music I thought?
tardy charm
yeah i saw the new post on Steam, definitely excited for that!
tardy charm
I´m kind of new in mapping but pratice makes the perfection
tardy charm
and maybe make some memes in mod format
mental pilot
Absolute fucking shit?
Ya let's go with that.
And yes.
Make memes.
Show me the MEMES
tardy charm
The thing is i´m more experienced with Doom when it comes to mapping
mental pilot
What I need to do is make a shotgun that when you kill an enemy it plays 'ooooooh whatcha sayyyy'
like that deagle in gmod
tardy charm
i´ve always been a scrub when it came to Quake mapping
or anything that ran in a full 3D engine
mental pilot
tbh it just takes practice, and i'm sure there will be videos up soon
tardy charm
For now i´m praticing with Trenchbroom
mental pilot
Excellent.
Now i'm not sure what dusk runs on scripting wise... though that's probably a stupid question.
BUT THAT IS FOR LATER
Good luck tails. Practice makes perfect, making good doom maps took me weeks to months of practice.
So don't get too discouraged ya?
tardy charm
Yeah i´m confident that i can do this.
mental pilot
Good. Now go my child. You are WORTHY
tardy charm
YES
granite jackal
Oh god Starkius I used to use that voice clip for WC3 custom games I made. I'd made Forest Troll Tribes but couldn't help but stick it in there for whenever a player died. Best yet, I made everybody's head temporarily turn towards the dying player.
tardy charm
atm i only used Trenchbroom for Quake, does anyone here have the DUSK .fgd and .wad files?
kind of a dumbass question but hey i do need some help here
spiral nexus
check pinned for WAD
granite jackal
Know what, since Tails is asking, I'll second that question.
tardy charm
So i need to use the Quake entities in Trenchbroom?
spiral nexus
You can, since they'll will be replaced with DUSK ones
alternatively you can just create an entity and just manually name it for example monster_mage
tardy charm
Same thing when i wanna put pistols in the start of the map?
because i think it can be kinda cheap if i just leave the player just with the Sickles
spiral nexus
weapon_pistol I think...? Check the entities.txt for the full list of entities
FGD is just a precompiled list of entities, you don't actually need it to place/use any of the entities
tardy charm
Alright so how do i make the wad? I have the makewad.exe now
do i have to enter specific commands?
spiral nexus
Download the wad from pinned and follow instructions from FAQ (also pinned)
Makewad is for making custom WADs
spiral nexus
For Quake related support I recommend contacting Google as well as watching dumptruck_ds's video tutorials
Quake stuff is pretty well documented
tardy charm
And what about secrets?
steep portal
dusk mod idea:
you have a broom
and you have to sweep
and the mod is called DUST
tardy charm
Oh yes, sweeping tf out of mages, sounds great
steep portal
no you clean the floor
naive pecan
Jenny -- I love it
tardy charm
Any tips to make a good looking skybox?
ocean cliff
granite jackal
Here's a quick guide on how to download TrenchBroom for modding DUSK with. This is for downloading the program, not using it; there's video tutorials for using it.
Part 1.
You need to opt into the beta branch for DUSK's SDK.
Pull up Steam, navigate to your game library, right click on DUSK and click on "Properties..."
A window will pop up, with tabs on the top labeled as:
General, Updates, Local Files, Language, Betas.
Click on Betas.
Near the top, will say:
"Select the beta you would like to opt into:"
Click on the dropdown arrow near it, and click on:
"dusk_sdk - opt into this to make and run mods"
Let it download. You'll be ready for part 2.
Part 2.
https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom/releases
Once you've opted into the SDK for DUSK, follow the above link and scroll down until you see the assets-download section via this image (thank you Rvack:) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/431185291831803904/677779185581817856/20200214_183147.jpg
If you're using Linux with the Debian derivative, use "dpkg" to download and extract the .deb package. If you have the Red Hat derivative, go for the .rpm package instead.
If you're on MacOS you download MacOSX.
If Windows XP, 7, 8, 8.1 or 10, go for Win32 instead.
After downloading the chosen file, you'll find it's compressed.
On MacOS or Windows you use 7-Zip to extract it.
Extract the contents to a custom-named folder of your choice and location at the root of your drive [such as (C:) or (D:) or (F:).]
The executable for TrenchBroom will be inside.
Then you should be set! You'd just have to follow video tutorials from there.
(Somebody pin this for posterity, please.)
(Forgive me for the spammy post in the middle of somebody asking for a skybox, I just wanted to lay down a quick guide for how to download TrenchBroom, since I couldn't find video guides on it.)
tardy charm
@granite jackal nah it´s okay
granite jackal
@steep portal Do it, make DUST happen. We need a cigar-smoking version of Viscera Cleanup Detail.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/246900/Viscera_Cleanup_Detail/
steep portal
lmoa
nah i can barely get mods to work at all
i could make the model(s) tho if someone wants to do it
granite jackal
Aaaaaa I'm sold on the idea 😆
rapid spire
The Paradox of constantly cleaning up your cigar ashes
granite jackal
I've not even modded for DUSK so I wouldn't be able to take the torch
steep portal
the wizards break your window and cover your living room with dust
rapid spire
Big Jon pisses on your rug, that really tied the room together
steep portal
rude
dusk but everyone is rude instead of trying to kill you
1 sec imma draw this
nevermind it looks terrible
rapid spire
show it. Can't be worse than my incoherent scribblings
steep portal
i deleted it ill try again
tardy charm
So i put func_door but then i notice that the entire map´s class name became func_door. Does it have to do with the layers?
rapid spire
That looks beautiful....
rapid spire
You also forgot the rug. But that's ok. Dusk Dudes face says it all
rapid spire
Perfect
granite jackal
Dammit Big John, don't make me fetch the bar of soap.
granite jackal
"EYAUGH WATCH ME, COME AUN!"
granite jackal
snicker
unique ocean
Jakob no don't do it
rapid spire
do it
tardy charm
Everything in my map is dark
stone copper
add lights
eager sage
i put the wad into trenchbroom but the textures don't load when i launch the map
tepid python
by making it func_water
eager sage
ah, forgot the palette file
tardy charm
@stone copper added lights to map, recompiled it and still dark
stone copper
Add more lights
tight pawn
did you add values to _sunlight and light in the worldspawn entity? @tardy charm
granite jackal
Alright yeah, now it's time for me to ask how to get Dusk's entities and everything put together and usable through TrenchBroom. I have a legitimate copy of Dusk so, I have the files
tight pawn
i'd love to help!
granite jackal
Alright so, according to the 2-minute TrenchBroom tutorial there's a "Generic" game mode that's already been given a Directory, says F:/Mapping/Maps
tardy charm
yes
still raptor
also are you compiling it through light.exe
tardy charm
@still raptor Light compilation fails with the "no such file" error
still raptor
are you putting the.map through light.exe, or the .bsp
tight pawn
So are you asking how to make your own mod subdirectory?
granite jackal
Yeah, I am.
tardy charm
the map file
still raptor
thats your problem
granite jackal
Do I just... make a couple custom folders, Mouth?
still raptor
use the .bsp
tight pawn
Ok, go to where dusk is installed on your computer
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local
granite jackal
Alright, I'm there
tight pawn
this is where I put my mod
granite jackal
Ok, is that where you stick Generic?
tight pawn
Hold on let me check the video, not sure what generic is haha
granite jackal
Well I say Generic because the rest is stuff like, Quake 2 and Quake 3 and Hexen
Oh hey check that out, this is where the textures are!
tight pawn
hmm im confused
still raptor
oh dont worry about the generic thing in that video lol
granite jackal
Oh okay lol
still raptor
eventually there will be a dusk option
granite jackal
I went ahead and made an engine profile for Dusk under Generic, is that already alright? I have it pointing at at Dusk's executable file.
still raptor
we just havent released any trenchbroom stuff
granite jackal
Oh okay.
Soooo I take it it's just gonna be really wonky and difficult to make DUSK stuff for now?
Not that I'm dissuaded from continuing. I'm familiar with computers, but I'm not that tech-savvy for figuring this kind of stuff out on my own.
tardy charm
@still raptor Used the bsp and nothing.
still raptor
here pass me the bsp
send it to me in dms or whatever
i can check it out
nah its pretty easy @granite jackal
tardy charm
Sent
still raptor
you just gotta get the right workflow going
ok so @tardy charm, looks like you are missing a worldspawn
did you rename the brush by accident?
or rather, the worldspawn entity
can you send me the .map
onyx marten
is there a cheat that makes the player invisible? for makin screenshots of the map
tepid python
@onyx marten you mean as in notarget?
onyx marten
yup
granite jackal
@onyx marten You can probably use invisible walls or extend how long it takes them to aggro to you. E1M1 of the original Dusk makes the Leathernecks take ages to wake up.
onyx marten
so there isnt? Because I don't want to add invisible walls just for some screenshots
granite jackal
Idk if there's a notarget, I guess there might be. But the amateur way (my way) would be rigging up the thing that happens in E1M1.
tepid python
nothing happens in E1M1 though
still raptor
theres no notarget yet
granite jackal
Oh an invisible wall would take less time. Or a really well-timed screenshot after teleporting in
Why not make that an excuse to build a secret that teleports you into a screenshot-esque angle on them?
onyx marten
I'll try it with nbhot
I'm too exhausted with this map i dont want to change anything anymore lol
still raptor
also @granite jackal if you need help getting started let me know
granite jackal
...Yes please @still raptor. I just want to get to the part where I'm established and can plop down blocks and pickups and lights and entities.
still raptor
yeah no problem, just gimme a minute to help someone else rq, then we can get you setup
last talon
neat! will try it out later
still raptor
ive been waiting for this map
bitter fiber
gentlemen would you happen to know where i can find the dusk wad
tardy charm
What´s the angle number to make the door go up when open?
bitter fiber
nevermind found it
still raptor
@onyx marten are you gonna make the water swimmable?
onyx marten
yeah but i didnt find a way to get it working atm
onyx marten
yeah i posted that problem a few days ago, half the map is underwater if i do that
still raptor
oh, interesting
uhh, could probably use the watertexture method that q1 maps use as well
ill look at that with zomb this weekend if you wanna send me a version of the bsp where it is func_water
alpine depot
holy shit my map just jumped up over 100 downloads in the past day
still raptor
huh thats weird
i wonder why it wouldnt appear
bro this map is like 10/10
i love this so much
still raptor
that fucking ruled
i cannot even explain how good that was
and its only gonna get better
with swimmable water + the lighting fix for the trees
we need to pusht hat out, thats been fixed for a while
well
the new lightproxy thing
onyx marten
lol thank you
still raptor
we also need uh
fog
and more skyboxes
and music
those three things would make your map like perfection
onyx marten
although when the water works i will probably make it hurt
still raptor
yeah you dont want em swimming around forever
onyx marten
oh yeah i did a techno track sampling some machine noise from dusk that i wanna incorporate so badly lol
still raptor
we gotta get that in yeah
bitter fiber
hey question
i'm having an issue where everything on my map is pitch black
it loads and everything but there's no lights besides the sky
er, I guess the skybox
onyx marten
do you have light entities and _sunlight?
bitter fiber
I have one light entity and I'm not sure how to get the _sunlight thing going
still raptor
and have you run it through light.exe
still raptor
well you light entity should work
onyx marten
you need a sky brush and then add the _sunlight value with a key of 60 for example
still raptor
says to me light.exe failed for some reason
bitter fiber
erm, how would I go about the sky brush thing? is it an entity?
onyx marten
if you want water to hurt do you just add _hurt?
its just a brush with quake's sky texture
bitter fiber
OH WAIT FOUND IT
still raptor
any texture that begins with sky
bitter fiber
ok so the weapons are lit, just not the ground
gritty forge
Whoever disliked my mod, please remove the dislike. I know exactly why, and I removed any mention of Dave.
honest stag
that sounds like a copypasta
honest stag
i know
just sounds like it
honest stag
i guess for steam it's the default screenshot button
f12?
or whatever you set it to be
tepid python
lmao
gritty forge
What is that?
tepid python
statistics
gritty forge
Of what
tepid python
of my map and the spike rn is from the sdk announcement
gritty forge
It do be like that.
honest stag
yeah mine spiked too
i guess the sdk being official now is a big deal
pretty sick
i wish more people left feedback tho
bitter fiber
goddamnit ground is still pitch black
i know the texture is there bc when i shoot, the gun lights up the ground
bitter fiber
yeah, they don't light up anything
onyx marten
light entities with a delay of 3 are really strong light sources
onyx marten
not really good for an actual map but if they dont light anything idk what will
bitter fiber
I have not been compiling them
I'm assuming I should do that? The 2 minute video wasn't super helpful
honest stag
you need to compile the map into .bsp and then to light
you should check out dumptruck_ds on youtube and his "trenchbroom quickstart" video
it's quake-based but you still need the section about tools from there
those are the tools
bitter fiber
oh no i have those
I think I've been running the wrong file through the light exe
bsp through light.exe, right?
honest stag
that should be right yes
bitter fiber
GOT IT
i've been fucking up
lmao
i've been putting my .map file through the light.exe
LET THERE BE LIGHT BOYS
thanks Vriska I appreciate it😭
honest stag
np
alpine depot
someone should recreate the anakin and obiwan fight with jakob and dusk dude
bitter fiber
time to become a trenchbroom god 
gritty forge
can someone walk me through how to spawn missing entities for dusk maps? I don't fully get it but it might have something to do with text files. I just tried "Enclave" map for dusk and it had standard lever-action shotguns and pistols as standard pick-ups, which I can't do.
honest stag
i thought i told you my man
basically
spawn an entity, any entity, for example item_shells
then click on it
go into the "entity" tab on top right
check entites.txt for the entity you want, for example, a pistol, which would be weapon_pistol
rename the entity into weapon_pistol
it should look like a 16x16 unit square with a "weapon_pistol" title
that's it, when you load the map the pistol is there
honest stag
nope
gritty forge
ok then
gritty forge
it works like a charm! thanks! btw how do I setup music to work with my maps? I tried setting up a music files the way my quake folder is to see if trenchbroom recognized the dusk tracks if I renamed it music and placed in the SDK folder.
it didn't work.
though I placed it in my mod folder
honest stag
music in maps isnt supported yet sadly
gritty forge
nuuuuu!
tight fractal
ivory magnet
stone copper
Progress on my trashy trailer park map
viscid sinew
Use imgur to share an image link or rank up to Rat
just by talking in any available channels
like the idea of a trailer park map
stone copper
Leather necks and meth labs abound
timber atlas
Hello there. I'm trying to set up trenchbroom for mapping for dusk but I can't seem to be able to find the qbsp file's location.
timber atlas
OH, that's what I missed
I was gonna say, I watched that vid but it didn't help 😛
Thanks.
tight pawn
Yea it wasnt really mentioned on the faq haha
timber atlas
perhaps it should be added
tight pawn
perhaps...
tight pawn
go to entities tab, make sure you have nothing selected and the top box will show the worldspawn entity
find _sunlight and light and put values in for them, play around with it until you get a brightness you like
still raptor
yeah the faq needs a lot of work
honest stag
for _sunlight to work, you need a skybox brush
literally like quake - just slap a skybox texture from that game - the brush will be invisible in-game but _sunlight is a sunlight value that sky brushes emit
also you need an angle - it's a property _sun_mangle (i think), it has a value of 3 numbers - x y z
also, if you JUST do _sunlight - any shadow will be literally just black and contrast will suck, so also add a property called _sunlight2 - this is an ambient light on all outside areas which should be like 1/4 of the _sunlight value
@stone copper
honest stag
also doc
stone copper
Question, is there a limit to the stacking of fast fire power ups?
honest stag
if you just want a fullbright thing on your map while you work on it - on worldspawn you can add a property light
which is light everywhere on the map at once
also - they stack a LOT but i dont know if there is a limit
stone copper
I did that, set it to 10 so it's not pitch black
honest stag
keep in mind - unlike _sunlight2 this is a light on inside areas as well
stone copper
Oh my goodness
I put like 20 fast fires down
I just learned something
Riveter explosions
Reflect other rivets
honest stag
yep
rivets are just like other propers
so are mortars
except they always move y'know
stone copper
That gives me so many ideas
honest stag
also, i suggest using -bounce and -extra4 and -soft commands in light compiler
since you use necro's ui they are just there under the light section which you can just click to add
it slows down the compiling process but the result looks very nice
well after proper lighting anyway
timber atlas
I've never used trenchbroom before but have some experience with Hammer and the Source Engine. Does the editor have props? How are things like tractors or furniture made?
Also is there any kind of list as to which monsters are which? It seems their all labeled as quake monsters in trenchbroom but appear as dusk ones in game.
bitter fiber
is there a way to speed up the testing process instead of dragging my file to bsp and then the bsp to light?
feel like it would be somewhere in the compiler set up but not sure how to tell it to target a specific file
honest stag
@timber atlas you can find dusk entity names in entities.txt - check pinned messages
you can either use some props from there (cant preview them yet) or make your own ones with brushes
@bitter fiber you can use a UI for compiling tools which does all that for you - Necro's UI for example - check dumptruck_ds's "Trenchbroom quickstart" tutortial, he explains how to set that up
humble bough
yeah i figured that out myself(sorry for slow reply)
only new problem is i lack a bspinfo.exe in the dusk sdk, i'll have to figure it out tomororw :V
still raptor
you dont need bsinfo.exe, sorry that faq neeeds some work
but to get all the tools you need, id look at ericw tools
ancient depot
I removed the bspinfo part from the wiki
ancient depot
still raptor
we need a better video and writeup
ancient depot
Yeah, definitely
still raptor
i made that in 5 minutes to help one person lol
ancient depot
The FAQ page is only supposed to give summaries and then link to proper tutorial pages too
humble bough
alright, I'll see what i can do then :V
spiral nexus
I feel like FAQ should have few more questions
can I edit campaign maps? is really frequent question in this channel
gritty forge
imagine making so many channels
waste of time
WOOPS thought this diff serv nvm bois
my bad
honest stag
well people could also check pinned messages but eh :P
i guess having a lot of questions is something you cant escape with this
chrome torrent
Has anyone here got the dusk_sdk beta to work on Linux? It doesn't download anything for me
ancient depot
The SDK is Windows-only for now
chrome torrent
😦
granite jackal
Well for now, there's no music either
It's definitely in alpha. It's good to get some practice in time for the fleshed-out releases though
spiral nexus
still waiting for custom skyboxes 😔
honest stag
Man i really need thosee
i'd update my older maps with them right away
ugh i would even drop everything and make an actual nighttime map
tardy charm
honest stag
good to see more people getting into mapping, have fun with it m'dude
hm
hey do you use a single powerful light source as the "sun"?
honest stag
you can have actual sunlight btw
that works like the sun
and an ambient light all over the outside areas
you need _sunlight, _sun_mangle and _sunlight2
you can find some quick info about those in quake with a search
stone copper
Are transparent textures a thing in TB?
honest stag
but using all of there creates a very nice sunlight effect without slapping a huge light source
yes
both stuff like fences and glass
stone copper
Do I have to make them myself?
honest stag
nope
if you want a .wad with some dusk textures being transparent, @alpine depot made one
i'll see if i can find it
stone copper
Any old png can be a texture right?
honest stag
check pinned messages btw - zombie made a program for making wads from folders with pics
stone copper
Time to make an icon of sin style boss fight
spiral nexus
So it seems like Dusk doesn't support any kind of render modes of func_water
I tried both color and texture and it is just invisible
@ancient depot Is that a known issue in the SDK?
onyx marten
did you use a texture that starts with *?
spiral nexus
I am using JACK so I am using !
onyx marten
oh ok, did you try a normal texture?
onyx marten
cuz the brush was non existent with * textures for me and broken with a normal one
500pts said he and zombie would look into it over the weekend
spiral nexus
I am using ! textures since ZHLT won't let you compile with * textures iirc
stone copper
animated textures?
onyx marten
i dont know jack and zhlt but ! is the same as * right?
with normal ones i meant without any symbol, just watertex
spiral nexus
Yeah I understood what you meant, I'll try that soon
tardy charm
Btw how do i make water properly instead of being just a sloid area?
still raptor
- textures SHOULD work, i think its more to do with the shape of your brush or something poolboy
because quake 1's campaign works fine with it
will investgate and fix it though
gritty forge
Well made
Can someone toss Dusk.wad link again? Making a video installation for friend to understand it better
stone copper
I normally work with 8 grid size, but this I had to use 8, 4, and 1. Each map teaches me a new valuable tool
What's your guys's favorite dirt texture?
Mine is dirt4
spiral nexus
@gritty forge pinned
timber atlas
Thanks @honest stag
honest stag
np
i use some quake textures for dirt
it's got some cool ones
@stone copper you bettter make that boi transparent
and breakable
stone copper
How do I make em transparent>
spiral nexus
lift dirt textures from HL2, it has the most iconic dirt textures
honest stag
you need to make them any brush entity first
for example func_breakable (it's not in quake by defaul, so select them all make it like trigger_secret and then rename to that)
make a new property, name it health
set the value to 1
then add another property, name it rendermode
set it to 1
add another property, name it renderamt
set it to 100 for example
0 is fully transparent, 255 is fully visible
everything in betwee in transparent
100 works the best for glass imo
all of that should make a transparent breakable window
gritty forge
@honest stag former game dev or something are ya?
honest stag
no, i'm just highly addicted to dusk mapmaking
i spent the entirety of january making maps and figuring stuff out as i go, also the devs were very helpful
gritty forge
cant wait to play ur maps
stone copper
I want each color to break on they own
honest stag
alright, that's very much possible
first of all, select them all and right click
then "move brushes to world"
now, select all of 1 color, and repeat the process
then do the same for the other color
you get the idea
stone copper
Move brushes to world. Not seeing that as an option
stone copper
Cant SS and have the options open
honest stag
actually
oh i guess i have something different then
i use an older TB version probably?
stone copper
Oh.
honest stag
or
hold on
doc
which game preset are you using?
did you select quake 1?
like when you click "new map" in tb
honest stag
odd
i dont think TB is updated that often tho
then make structural
should do the trick
also keep in mind
what if you make each color breakable individually and then i break all colors except green?
to prevent that, connect the middle parts to bottom parts, just so when you destroy them - the middle part is also destroyed
and not flying
spiral nexus
So I conducted an experiment (compiling with ZHLT and JACK)
!water- works fine*water- makes me fall through the map- func_water without any symbols at the start - works fine
- same as above but rendered as "color" with 160 fx amount - works fine
- same as above but rendered as "texture" with 160 fx amount - works fine
!waterrendered as "color", fx amount 160 - invisible but acts as water!waterrendered as "texture", fx amount 160 - invisible but acts as water*waterrendered as "color", fx amount 160 - invisible but acts as water*waterrendered as "texture", fx amount 160 - invisible but acts as water
honest stag
think it would make sense if i tried the same experiment with ericw's tools?
spiral nexus
I can send you the .map hang on
honest stag
oh good idea
spiral nexus
also for reference, in HL1 1 and 7 only act correctly, everything else works like a func_door and 2 acts like func_illusionary
honest stag
2 should work with ericw's
spiral nexus
you might want to put _sunlight into worldspawn since I lit it up with light_environment
honest stag
cant play rn, so just compiled it
spiral nexus
Did you change the rendermode parameters?
honest stag
didnt do anythin, kinda busy
just recompiled it with ericw's
spiral nexus
actually it shouldn't matter iirc
oh right it can't bake the WAD inside the map so everything is missing textures
but all of them seem to work and none of them are invisible
other than 1 and 2
they're solid
ancient depot
this is extremely useful information, I greatly appreciate you doing this
spiral nexus
No problem, eric-w tools results are a bit weird though, I think it needs a proper WAD to work correctly
stone copper
Im so mad right now
tight pawn
im here if you need a shoulder to cry on
honest stag
Wut happened
stone copper
Lemme show you
The window on the far end?
Copy and pasted from the window by spawn
honest stag
Can you bop that to youtube or something?
honest stag
Ye even better
stone copper
honest stag
Double check that specific brush
stone copper
Vris
I copy and pasted the window by spawn
For the far end window
and changed nothing about it
honest stag
Doesn't matter
Stuff just fucks up sometimes
stone copper
And that one is perfectly fine
honest stag
Try making it structural again and making it a breakable
stone copper
honest stag
It just do be like that sometimes
Hild on
Hold*
Try moving it
See if there is a brush under it
That's not a breakable thing
honest stag
Was it that?
stone copper
yeah
honest stag
Happened to every one of us
stone copper
Okay what's the deal with tb and convex brushes? Why doesn't let me make em?
honest stag
English aint my first language - what's a convex brush
honest stag
Oh that's not a thing
Use multiple brushes my man
honest stag
I'm not the person to ask
Hey, this editor starts spewing it's guts out when you try to make a spherical shape or (GOD FORBID) a bowl like i did
We have simple brushes and you gotta make your best of them