i can't screenshot for some reason, my PC is being a bitch
#dusk-modding
frank violet
still raptor
that 2 minute tutorial included an important part at the start where you tell trenchbroom where quake is installed on your pc
basically it needs the quake palette
which you can download from the quake wiki if you dont have quake
frank violet
ok i got that
let me try it again
so i just choose the folder the quake palette is in, right?
ok it's still not working
still raptor
so, i guess im not sure what problem youre even having then
a screenshot would help
can you use snipping tool?
still raptor
its a program that comes with windows that takes screenshots
you can dm it to me if you want
gritty forge
this is why New Blood devs are better than other devs
rockstar just tells you to go to hell
still raptor
oh
ok @frank violet youre fine
its just because you dont have quake installed, and its looking for quakes models
the map will still work fine
gritty forge
I've never heard of a dev who says, you can dm me it you need to
still raptor
frank violet
look at it now, even the dusk models are black
still raptor
ok
so in the folder where you want to tell the game quake is
make a folder called id1
and in that folder
a folder called gfx
then put the palette file in the gfx folder
frank violet
I'll try it, thanks
still raptor
that should work
so you would tell trenchbroom its in C;/fakequake/
and inside of "fakequake"
you need fakequake/id1/gfx/palette.lmp
frank violet
i see
still raptor
then that should work
frank violet
it's all just black, dusk textures
still aren't loading
Gonna try to reinstall stuff
frank violet
ok
frank violet
D:\The D\Trechbroom and Mods\Mod Folder\fakequake\id1\gfx
still raptor
just point it at Fakequake
keep id1 and gfx, but trenchbroom needs to be pointed at fakequake
so D:\The D\Trenchbroom and Mods\Mod Folder\fakequake
gray shuttle
Hey, is the Dusk SDK available on Linux? I used the dusk_sdk beta code but I don't get an option when I launch the game
ivory magnet
not yet
gray shuttle
Ah ok thanks! Will it be available at some point or should I just start using WINE?
ivory magnet
linux support is indeed planned, but for the time being wine or a VM are your best options unfortunately
lament ore
Ye I've been doing everything on Mac in a Windows VM
sleek ore
ok ty
honest stag
lament ore
that's just a regular walmart
viscid sinew
ha
sleek ore
every walmart is demon walmart
lament ore
time to 3d model with a fucking touchpad because I can't find a mouse
cunning fulcrum
shouldn't it be demonmart? or better Cultmart?
honest stag
clip brushes aint working for me
lament ore
yeah I haven't been able to use em either
I thought it was just cuz zhlt was doing something special tho
@ancient depot
although AAATrigger doesn't work with ZHLT either unlike Ericw (?)
ancient depot
Yeah there's something up with them, I need to look into it
honest stag
curtains are suprisingly easy to make with brushes
behold the shittiest hotel room possible
honest stag
also behold, the shittiest truck ever
river axle
I can't wait to play Euro Dusk Simulator 2.
tepid python
func_vehicle
honest stag
func_shittytruck
spiral nexus
the promised day of the reckoning will start once we have func_vehicle in Dusk
that is too much power for us, mere mortals
gritty forge
So many bruhshes
honest stag
my map has so fucking many small brushes lol
lemme check actually
2705 brushes lol
i am about uhhh
60% done with the layout/details
so that amount will go up by about 1500 brushes when i'm done
the map is really small too
yoo devs, is .lit support high-priority? it's something i REALLY need for my map :(
spiral nexus
make sure to group your small brushes into entity brushes for optimization (also suddenly not running out of visleaf, clipnode or face limits), although I am not sure if Quake compilers have any particular limits
honest stag
if i run into any problems like that, i'll go around the map and optimize the shit out of it
spiral nexus
It's a good habit to do from the beginning, but I must say I am myself pretty lazy on optimization
modest imp
If it doesn't obstruct your view, func_detail that shit.
spiral nexus
Usually good thumbrule is that if a brush isn't primitive shape like rectangle or very big wedge, you should make into func_detail (func_wall if you're not using ericw's tools)
modest imp
Even primitive stuff can split up visleaves unnecessarily sometimes, honestly.
honest stag
what stops me from making every brush a func_detail
modest imp
Oh, the entire map being one big visleaf. That's all. :V
spiral nexus
func_detail doesn't seal the map
spiral nexus
Yeah as of right now
but vis is gonna be supported at some point
also without proper vis you can run into lighting problems if hulls are incomplete
modest imp
I wonder what's more practical; occlusion and frustum culling, or visleaves? 🤔
honest stag
i have no clue what any of that means :^)
modest imp
Occlusion culling is when polys aren't rendered when they're obscured by something--say, a wall. Frustum culling is automatic culling of anything not within the player's field of view.
So they overlap.
Visleaf culling is far easier on resources than occlusion or frustum culling, but can make mapping more of a pain in the ass.
spiral nexus
Leaves are quite interesting way to optimize geometry, but main problem is that they're absolutely useless in multiplayer especially in big ones due to abundance of players everywhere
modest imp
Not quite! After all, rendering is still done clientside. All the server does is collect and report player status.
spiral nexus
Areportals are still open at least in Source
if player is within it
always open areaportals (which force the client to unrender the area even if player is within it) kind of fix the problem a bit, but for example in cs:go they're practically never used since there is a possibility player can snipe you from across the whole map
modest imp
Huh, I'm surprised. I thought visual representation and actual player data were separate in that regard.
So the client would know there's a player in another room, and have all the requisite data regarding that player's actions, but wouldn't actually put effort into rendering it until it actually becomes visible to the client.
spiral nexus
not quite, what I mean is that uuuh
basically the problem is that if a player A is in a small tower for example that has a window, and player B is in an outside area, usually everything within the tower would be unredered (if optimization is performed properly) to the player B but that gives the Player A advantage over Player B since Player B doesn't see A while A sees B
modest imp
The thing is, if that tower Player A is in was visible from the location Player B is in--which it would, seeing as you'd need line of sight between A and B to actually shoot them--then that visleaf would be active, wouldn't it?
If I recall, visleaves are active whenever a player has line of sight into them.
If B isn't even looking in A's direction, it wouldn't matter if it was rendered or not.
spiral nexus
That's the thing, if you use default areaportals they have to be kept open and you can't force player to close it due to hypothetical situations where two players would be looking at each other
in makes them very inefficient since players are constantly looking at each other in multiplayer
modest imp
Remember though, rendering is done clientside. So what's being rendered for one player doesn't have to be rendered for another.
Ideally, the server wouldn't give two shits who's looking at who. It just tracks what the players do with the limitations of the map in mind.
spiral nexus
but you're doing optimization for the client, not the server
modest imp
Mhm, which is why players can render different visleaves at the same time.
It's not about what both players see at the same time. All the client cares about is the player that's using it, and what they see--plus, what information from the server affects them.
spiral nexus
no-no, I get that, what I was getting at is that map optimized for singleplayer will work really poorly in multiplayer since the client will have to open a portal any time other player is looking at it from a long distance
also I am not really sure how cs:go handles the 3D sound thing, but it might just be some serverside quirk that it sends to the client or something
modest imp
Oh, but why would it be tracking the portals that other players can see through?
All it really needs to know is what the other player is doing at that moment in terms of gameplay, not how it's being optimized for that other player.
spiral nexus
that makes sense
also sorry if I have bad time explaining, I'm a bit crap at English 😅
modest imp
No big deal. 😁
iron needle
iron needle
Oh umm... want me to delete?
honest stag
nah jk
iron needle
Sorry I probably should have asked permission. I just thought it was funny lol
honest stag
kinda wouldnt make sense, it's already publid lol
public*
since it's posted in here
iron needle
Yeah fair
honest stag
since you're here - what's the priority on .lit support? it's a very integral part of my map and i dont want to finish it before it's supported
and i cant compile with zhlt cuz i use brushes that are <1 unit big
iron needle
I'm not sure actually. You'll want to ask Zombie
honest stag
aw alright
iron needle
I've been really busy with other stuff so I haven't been working as much on the SDK over the past few weeks
honest stag
makes sense why updates slowed down then :P
no big deal, we waited for the sdk and we'll wait a bit more lol
alpine depot
doom eternal pre-alpha leak??!?!
the blue outline of the window bugs me to hell
i cant unsee it, why trenchbroom why
honest stag
? what outline
modest imp
Man, I hope we see more maps with the "old coal town" aesthetic. It's not something you see often in games.
Hell, closest thing to that I can think of in recent memory--not counting DUSK--is Ravenholm from HL2. :v
honest stag
flames is doing a map like that i think?
or sorta similar?
it's pretty damn sick too
modest imp
What's the difference? 
"Everything went to shit when the coal mine shut down, but now that the cult moved in, things are looking up!"
half dust
Yeah, I guess it's the same but different.
harsh swift
anyone got any tips for map design
like
not actually using map makers but
ways of designing them
idk how to explain
like whats a good starting room and what should i make from there and shit
honest stag
just make whatever comes to mind lol
people go about different ways of doing it
honest stag
i make maps VERY slowly, room by room
rarely making other rooms before previous ones are detailed
some people make a basic layout shape maybe in drawing or with basic brushes and go from there
like "wouldnt it be cool if there was x here"
what do you think would be really cool to see in a map?
honest stag
maybe sorta a theme first?
like a medieval style think a-la quake 1
or more sci-fi like doom
or something dusk-like
and then go more specific
more and more details will come to mind as you narrow this and in the process of making a map
cosmic copper
does anyone have the key value pairs for func_rotating?
specifically how to set the axis
harsh swift
man
i didnt know duskdude had barely any sounds
updated my mod so there's a version with all sounds replaced than just jump
summer dagger
lofty grotto
@harsh swift I put the folder in the Dusk\SDK\mnt\local folder but the new sounds do not appear in the game. Still getting Duskdude's original voices
Am I doing something wrong?
harsh swift
are you enabling it in the modding options?
viscid sinew
Did you go to the mod menu and enable it?
lofty grotto
Do I have to use the sdk launcher first?
lofty grotto
Ok I’ll try that, thank you.
harsh swift
just tick the box and then click apply and it should work
lofty grotto
Thank you, it works now!
harsh swift
nice
alpine depot
woahhhhh holy shit
cosmic copper
thanks
alpine depot
man i'd love to see someone recreate the hl2 beta chapters that were unused, the air exchange would sooooo fit in with dusk's industrial theming
gritty forge
That custom screenshot reminds me of Blood.
iron needle
ooooh that looks really good
harsh swift
god i have no idea what im doing here
even if i did i have no creativity to design rooms around
tepid python
there's still no E1M1 doom remake
cosmic copper
I thought I saw someone working on one when the SDK first got released
iron needle
god i have no idea what im doing here me throughout Dusk's development, before Dusk's development, and after Dusk's development
stark crescent
I'm not getting any music when launching Dusk in SDK mode, am I doing something wrong? I can't find any mention of this in the Readme file.
harsh swift
its not so much i have n oidea
its just
i really don't know what i want to make
and even if i did, how it would or should look
like i could probably put rooms together but filling them with anything meaningful or any detail or anything, i have nothing that comes to mind for that
still raptor
the sdk currently doesnt play music on the menu, or in custom maps
cunning fulcrum
f
spiral nexus
@lament ore Is there any clever way to make a frustum (as in shape) in JACK?
Or wedge brushes are the only option
gritty forge
I'm recreating E1M1 from doom2brush with help
But I need some help again with platforms and lights
Watched dumptrucks light vid
Is there any easy way to add lights to maps
I made congo in dusk
But without light
And targets in trenchbroom
spiral nexus
generally you will be working with light entity, you can illuminate whole map with light_environment given that your map is open so it can receive light casted from the skybox
gritty forge
So I need to use light enviroment
Allright
And guys dusk dude is more taller than doomguy
He can't fit the exit doors in entryway
You just need to slide in some of the maps
spiral nexus
Duskdude is same height as Gordon and the Ranger iirc
use info_player_start for reference
spiral nexus
the way things are done in Doom is radically different to proper 3D engines
carmine slate
so is there any way to make dusk maps for the gog version of the game or am I SOL on that one?
carmine slate
that's a major bummer
viscid sinew
It's early days
still raptor
we might try to make it available sooner
we understand gog folks are missing out
and never want that to be the case
gritty forge
Guys how to make switched change map ?
honest stag
switched change map?
you mean a map that goes into another map when you hit trigger_changelevel?
gritty forge
you mean a map that goes into another map when you hit trigger_changelevel?
@honest stag yes that's what I meant
supple radish
new update to jusk will come out tomorrow
mortal narwhal
whats new with jusk?
gritty forge
Also my lights doesn't work I used qbsp and light
mortal narwhal
nice
supple radish
ill get some fresh screenshots
menu sound is now big john
changed the jump sound
this
mortal narwhal
what is that?
supple radish
the fireball
mortal narwhal
whats the texture supposed to be?
tight fractal
His mouth
mortal narwhal
nice
supple radish
it should be up tomorrow im going to sleep now
tight fractal
mortal narwhal
gg
spiral nexus
Bruh for the first time I actually found a proper use for the vertex manipulation tool in JACK/VHE, instead of making very unorthodox shapes that break the Geneva convention
gritty forge
its okey bro
theres stuff in the default quake makes that break the Geneva convention
spiral nexus
I think Romero surpassed Geneva conventions long time ago
especially after Daikatana
cosmic copper
has anyone gotten func_plat to work? for me it just teleports instantaniously
gritty forge
you set some wierd speed on it or somethin?
actually I don't know if we're gotten the update with it yet
onyx marten
any ideas why this brush is illuminated on the top? it shouldnt be and its sealed with the other brushes
still raptor
im not sure exactly which brush we're looking at
but its very possibly a lightmap error
first check if its like that in quake
onyx marten
will do
still raptor
if its an error with our bsp renderer, it might get fixed pretty soon
zombie is in the middle of a rewrite of it that may fix most if not all lightmap issues
and allow us to implement light styles
onyx marten
ok maybe I'm too dumb to load my map properly in quake but my map seems completely broken in it. but i guess its a lightmap thing cuz it looked fine in quake
nice
still raptor
if you send me the bsp i can check whats up
cosmic copper
so for func_plat, quake e1m1 actualy uses func_door for all the elevators.
which I would do, but func_door doesnt work if it touches another func_door. Im trying to make an enclosed elevator thing
long anchor
hmmm
long anchor
which I would do, but func_door doesnt work if it touches another func_door. Im trying to make an enclosed elevator thing
you mean if you make several brushes that are func doors?
cosmic copper
yeah, or belong to the same func_door
long anchor
kvps?
cosmic copper
key value pairs
long anchor
that's for all brushes
cosmic copper
ok the lip might be my problem. is it set to 0?
long anchor
hmmmmmm
uhm
nothing on the lip, guess it's 0
look
i think i know why it's not working for you
did you select everything and turned it into an entity, or you made it piece by piece?
long anchor
sneaky peek
vestal field
figured i should link this because it has a lot of texture resources people can use https://www.realm667.com/index.php/en/texture-stock-mainmenu-152-97360/other-sources-styles-mainmenu-155-26369
long anchor
ooo thanks for that
gritty forge
good gamer shit
cunning fulcrum
god yall create such fucking cool shit 😲
olive mesa
anyone know any good tutorials on getting started with dusk modding?
I'd love to make some maps but I don't know where to begin with Trenchbroom
mortal narwhal
dumptruck_ds has a great tutorial series for tb on youtube
olive mesa
alrighty, thanks!
mortal narwhal
Oh and a good word of advice if you will, start off making maps using a big grid size, then move on to smaller grid sizes @olive mesa
cunning fulcrum
i feel like jusk is going to cross the line of too much at some point
supple radish
i feel like we crossed that line a long while ago
gritty forge
Literally unplayable
honest stag
g o d the hands took me so long
alpine depot
hey can someone make a texture wad for me? i have a texture ready but putting it into a wad is gonna be the death of me lol
oh hey nvm i figured it out lol
vernal magnet
heh
spiral nexus
How illegal is it to make campaign of maps with a sewer level?
sterile junco
is there an example of a fun sewer level in a game
i only recall terrible times with them
spiral nexus
It's staple of retro shooters at least
Imma make sewer level and no one can stop me
gritty forge
Cease
fringe nymph
Half Loaf
gritty forge
This is as much as i can do
It's not like my words have an actual inpact on your life
sterile junco
has anybody here played the futurama ps2 game
its second level is a sewer
and it might actually be the worst sewer level
still raptor
dusk had like, a quarter of a sewer level
wasnt very sewery though
previously e2m2 was a sewer level believe it or not
lmfao
honest stag
E1mS
still raptor
that legendary dont go in the ruins wendigo reveal
was a sewer level
thats one of the most complete scrapped levels there is actually
fringe nymph
next to E3M5?
still raptor
e3m5 doesnt have a super complete scrapped version
its got a lot to it
but its not like, a finished thing
e2m2 is pretty much a finished level
ill say what was it, e2m8? has also a very interesting alternate version
but its like a combination of things that made it into other levels
fringe nymph
those still exist or are yeeted out of recycle bin
spiral nexus
If I barricade my house from Civvie, making sewer level probably will be fine
I hope
long anchor
Civvie's always watching
spiral nexus
He will personally come to my house and force me to complete Blood on highest difficulty
long anchor
I think he will force you to play something shitty instead
What was the latest one?
Postal: Corkscrew Rules
that's more punishing than playing Blood
spiral nexus
aside of crappy translation Postal: Corkscrew Rules isn't even that bad
long anchor
guy from YT
long anchor
i don't remember if i can put links so i won't
fringe nymph
what fps's
spiral nexus
He's just a boomer lad doing funny internet videos for fellow boomers like everyone on this server
long anchor
aside of crappy translation Postal: Corkscrew Rules isn't even that bad
it's super cringe, not in original postal way, in much more terrifying way
spiral nexus
it reminds me of Nuclear Titbit if you know that game
long anchor
at least for me, I as russian feel super uncomfortable seeing or playing P:CR
Not because i'm offended or some shit but because it's super cringe
fringe nymph
whats cringe?
long anchor
cringe is cringe
spiral nexus
I think I just have a thing for 2000's jank
sterile junco
psycho mantis?
fringe nymph
who?
fringe nymph
you are EmiruFin
the weeb
spiral nexus
if I am weeb then why don't I have anime girl as my profile picture
lament ore
Civvie is in prison and his administrators will surely encourage you to make more sewer levels for his suffering
A little while back someone on Twitter hosted a mapping jam for sewer levels. Shame I didn't know about Civvie back then.
fringe nymph
who is civvie
last talon
a fat youtube personality who smokes 2 packs of cigarettes a day
onyx marten
My compiler says my "map exceeds bsp29 node/leaf limit. recompile with -bsp2 flag"
what does that mean/what can i do?
onyx marten
yeah i already use lots of func_details, where can i select -bsp2?
spiral nexus
are you using TB? idk how TB works
onyx marten
yup, tb and compiling with ericwtools
spiral nexus
usually you should have something like parameters and there you haev a field where you can write own compiling commands
maybe in like advanced compiling settings
onyx marten
oh ok just type -bsp2 into command line arguments?
spiral nexus
Yeah, I presume so
onyx marten
doesnt seem to work, error message still shows up
tepid python
Use the compiling Gui
onyx marten
i am
thats where the error shows up
ohh i got it now
i used the general command line arguments, not the qbsp one
cosmic copper
does anyone have any tips for lighting big outside areas?
still raptor
use sunlight
this page has great examples for how to get your lighting correct
click on the links on the side to get example images and the settings used to achieve them
sunlight in particular is very good for lighting outdoor areas
alpine depot
im loving these posters so much
leaden quartz
epic
gritty forge
mistery!
tepid python
alpine depot
the postal music makes it perfect
sleek moat
I'm trying to launch the sdk version today and it's just giving me a black screen
wut
sleek moat
the SDK version of the game won't run
it's just a perpetual black screen, no feedback to the user, no logs that I can find. I sure could use some help
tepid python
something broke
leaden quartz
are you running it in 32 bit?
sleek moat
my OS is 64 bit and steam is 64 bit, and I'm running it from steam
gritty forge
Is the SDK out? Because I can't find it anywhere.
sleek moat
@lament ore https://i.imgur.com/lKwdDw8.png
base game works fine
sdk binary gives black screen
it didn't do it a week ago
gritty forge
Where can I access the modding tools?
gritty forge
Thanks
sleek moat
yw
leaden quartz
damn lmao
spiral nexus
Oh yeah, once models are supported and you can use .mdl files, will SDK only support .mdl files compiled for GoldSrc or will it work with Source models too?
ancient depot
The primary model format is IQM, mdl is only a secondary feature that will likely come after that
Only Quake and GoldSrc-format MDL is planned for now (alongside Quake 3 MD3)
I wanna avoid going too overboard with model formats though, since each model format we support increases maintenance requirements
gritty forge
fun fact source .mdl files still have quakec in them
gritty forge
spiral nexus
I just wanted TF2 frying pan in Dusk 😔
gritty forge
Don't know how hard it is to backport
viscid sinew
Just make a low poly frying pan and add the sound effects?
make in consistent with DUSK's visuals as well
would make for a better mod.
gritty forge
@ancient depot command line option to launch straight into a map plz?
spiral nexus
@viscid sinew but it being out-of-place with other visuals would add to the comedic effect
viscid sinew
gritty forge
I gave up while remaking that shitty E1M1 Hangar map
So I decided to not make it
Because of light shit
When I made it from tb 2 with dusk format my lights didn't work
But with quake format It works
Wtf ?
Can someone help me ?
And also trigger_hurt doesn't works on me
ancient depot
trigger_hurt isn't implemented at the moment
spiral nexus
sex is cool and all, but have you ever compiled a map without compiler reporting any leaks
best feeling ever tbh
forest mountain
ngl I'd love a mod that replaces the sword with a frying pan
Maybe then I'd actually run through E3M1 with the Sword like you're supposed to.
sleek moat
alright, let's take another whack at this. Minute 46: I launched the sdk version of DUSK. I'll report back at the top of the hour on whether or not the game is still black-screened
sleek moat
16 minutes and the game is still blackscreened. I think it's safe to say something's wrong. Had I launched the base game instead, I'd be finishing episode 1 from a new game by now.
sleek moat
Lol, I just attempted an episode 1 speedrun from game launch to summary and got in IGT of 9 minutes and RTA of 11m44s. So I wasn't even exaggerating
tepid python
maybe just reinstall dusk
sleek moat
I tried emptying the mod folder as a sanity check and the game launched
so one of the following mods breaks the game:
- func_vehicle
- Horror Critic
- map01 (remake of the first level from a different game)
- neurotextures
- nuts
tepid python
try adding them back one at a time
sleek moat
That's what I'm doing 
It's Horror Critic
Since I'm not the only one experiencing this issue, I'll go ahead and report the mod
alpine depot
i think it's the description.xml being a bit off with the <Content> tags, i remember my game wouldn't load at all when i set my mod's Content tag in the description.xml to be Maps and not Levels
sleek moat
It might also be good for @ancient depot to nab a copy of it so he can find out why it breaks the game and use that information to make the SDK more robust
alpine depot
the creator put <Content>Textures and Sounds</Content> when i'm pretty sure instead of an and you just leave a space between the tags
sleek moat
okay, here's the xml file
<descriptor>
<title>Horror Critic</title>
<author>Shiro</author>
<content>Textures and Sound</content>
<summary>He remembers it so you don't have to.</summary>
<preview>preview.png</preview>
</descriptor>
well the Sound should have an s at the end too i think, so that's also a concern
as far as i'm aware, haven't delved into multi-tag mods yet but i hope i'm remembering this right
still raptor
thats correct
it should be Textures Sounds
@fast ridge if you wanna update your mod to fix that, thatd be ace 👌
<descriptor>
<title>Horror Critic</title>
<author>Shiro</author>
<content>Textures Sounds</content>
<summary>He remembers it so you don't have to.</summary>
<preview>preview.png</preview>
</descriptor>```a validator being included in the game could help with this. If it were to insta-crash (or ignore the mod entirely) with an error message saying the description is improperly formatted, that could help a lot with reports
sleek moat
@fast ridge I just played with the mod on and it doesn't change the horror's texture for me
https://i.imgur.com/cqBoUS0.png
I do hear different sounds, though
fast ridge
odd
Give me a sec
I'll take down the mod for now, if it's crashing games then peeps shouldn't be downloadin it. I'll work on it in my free time
leaden quartz
func_vehicle is an absolute necessity
anybody who remembers nippermaps would unequivocally agree.
honest stag
BRUSH BULLETS
BRUSH BULLETS
who tf is going to look at that in-game why do i bother
viscid sinew
I appreciate the ludicious detail
honest stag
haha yes let me just stand here and zoom into this fucking pistol i cant pick up
so i can see all the tiny details
viscid sinew
I'll be sure to when you release it 😉
honest stag
ey thanks
gritty forge
Please make those func_details
honest stag
no
i spent 2 weeks making a map and i actually really dont like it now that i look back and it's 99% done
fringe nymph
mfw you model and texture stuff so well in TB but you dont know how to do that in blender
spiral nexus
Working with brushes is way more intuitive than standard polygonal stuff
It'll always be pretty blocky though
That being said brush modelling only adds to the aesthetic in retro maps
gritty forge
@honest stag just finish and release it bro
honest stag
I'm waiting for feedback from some people and after that it's going to be out
I'm never touching an outside map ever again
That felt like 2 weeks down the drain lol
Super sub-par
And it doesn't even have the colored lighting i really wanted
still raptor
you could round trip it to JACK and compile it for hlbsp
and get your colored lights
honest stag
tried that, i have too many sub 1 unit brushes
still raptor
well, then id just bake it with colored lights anyways and wait for .lit support
and theyll just be there when its ready
sterile arrow
is there a way to make func_breakable break with a trigger?
honest stag
i think target
i'm not sure but you dont need a health value for it
if it's triggered?
serisouly unsure here
sterile arrow
ok i tried target and killtarget with health and with 0 health and nothing has worked
the rest of the trigger fires off fine too idgi
sterile arrow
thanks dude
honest stag
hm didnt work, lemme try other versions
oh hey
it works
i was wrong about the health value
it needs to be there
here's the setup if you need to see it
sterile arrow
sickk thank you thank you
sterile arrow
last talon
looks like good shit hitting a limited edition fan
sterile arrow
thats the goal 😎
gritty forge
Nice dude
honest stag
https://dusk.mod.io/the-lost-mansion
i cant say i'm too happy with this map, but enjoy this short experience
last talon
lets give it a try then
honest stag
obv it's the first release version so expect things to break even tho i had someone playtest it
if you see something not right - tell me right away
last talon
I'll do
cant run it for some reason. wont show up on level select. I'm fairly sure I have the right folder set up as I just deleted a few and it shows on the selection
probably my bad tho
I dont know whats wrong. folders are set up correctly but it just wont show :/
one other map aint showing up either but I'm confused what is causing it. wrong type of BSP file if it even can be anything like that?
yeah it was me being a dumdum but dont know why I cant run shimmering cistern 
gritty forge
you enabled the mod?
last talon
I have
last talon
it works now yea
honest stag
ah ok
last talon
but I cant get another map to run for some reason
honest stag
which one
last talon
alot of the cars are black, I could easily get stuck by jumping into the blue key area before getting the red one
needs more health pickups unless you are going for flawless run
last talon
also I dont know how that rat house secret is supposed to work, great stuff but I cant seem to find a way for the teleport to work all the times
honest stag
it's a weird thing i liked - squish yourself in and move the camera to the side
it's evil and doesnt make any sense
that's why i love it
last talon
what about the teleport to the wizard alley
that didnt seem to make any sense either :D
honest stag
hm?
honest stag
wait how did you get there exactly?
last talon
I teleported from the rat house
picked up my grenade launcher
stood still and got teleported there
no clue why it felt jank af :D
honest stag
and okay yeah the borders of that secret are teleports so you dont break the map
by jumping around
last talon
I see
but I could get to the blue key and couldnt find a quick way out without the red key
was pretty easy to get there too, jump on rat house, jump on shelf, jump on roof and over the fence
honest stag
yeah that's why i dont like open areas
it's just a lot to make the player not fuck about where they arent supposed to be
last talon
also the fork maiden alley has a nice see thru graffiti which is obviously some transparency fuckery
honest stag
goddamnit i thought i fixed that
and that's in the release fuck me lol
lemme try and put some stuff in the map real quick
before anyone notices
last talon
hehe
I'll try to beat it in the meanwhile
oh yeah might want to put something in that empty hotel room or whatever it is
door wont open but its easy to get inside thru the window
honest stag
...damnit
last talon
oh yeah and that big gate
honest stag
alright good place for a secret actually
last talon
if you can make it stay open it would be dope.
honest stag
is it not?
last talon
also leathernecks dont know how to get out of the mall
long anchor
oopsie
honest stag
navmesh thing
long anchor
i guess that's because all enemies can't go through place where doors/breakables are
last talon
yea I guess its leatherneck problem
was fun looking at the AI in the hedge maze after I blew it all up
last talon
they do :D
long anchor
they are
honest stag
jesus
last talon
mall needs more hash :D
last talon
oh yeah nice map made out of brushes :D
tbh alot of nice stuff made out of brushes xD
honest stag
thanks lol
that's why the map is so short
instead of making it fun i spent time making that stuff
last talon
yea blew all your modder budget in making a gun out of brushes :D
honest stag
lol yeah
last talon
I always forget that mspaint crop tool doesnt copy when you make your decision :(
but yea you might want to look at that brush
honest stag
oh my GID
GOD
how the fuck did that happen
this mansion was literally the first thing i built
and didnt see that
last talon
the detail on this bad boy 👌
honest stag
i forgot this existed lol
last talon
oh god I had completely forgotten that explosions can redirect projectiles
that fork maiden is shooting for the moon
you need to add a subtle king of the hill meme at this BBQ
HOLY FUCK WHAT THE RAT IS THAT
your giant rat killed me
honest stag
i did btw
last talon
oh then I just didnt notice it
last talon
propane bottle? :D
honest stag
ye
last talon
I noticed that and thought "this needs a hank hill quote or something"
okay last try. this time I died because I thought I was in a safe location where the rat cant get to me and alt tabbed without pausing
also pretty merciful enemy placement with that black philip. it sees you when the map starts and shoots but projectile is too big to go past that pillar.
and the innkeep scientist doesnt see you for some reason
honest stag
ye i know
last talon
which is actually a nice thing
honest stag
i thought it was funny
long anchor
(or you can sneak past him, don't disturb his sweet nap)
last talon
nah I'll rather let that other dude jack off behind the bathroom door
last talon
which is a good enemy placement even tho it is predictable
long anchor
jmao
long anchor
last talon
is this an SDK issue too that leatherneck's dont make other sounds 'cept the wakeup one?
long anchor
yep
last talon
these mofos can creep up on you bad without those sounds lol
long anchor
that's what happened when i played Vriskas map for first time
same happened few times on my map too
last talon
also who doesnt like going through the garbage to find some half eaten bigmacs?
so little health pickups if you fuck up that you are definitely going to want those hp vials :D
even tho they wont help you
long anchor
that's my everyday food irl
last talon
you could eat for free easy at a mcdonalds garbage bin if they'd just let you
is there someting up in the attic of the inn? I can see a window but dont want to use my HP for rivet jumping lol
honest stag
it's a secret
long anchor
that's a secret and you have to find a proper way how to get there
last talon
thought so
honest stag
ye
last talon
I'll keep looking
long anchor
(or ask)
last talon
that rat house secret is great
long anchor
^
last talon
even tho it is jank af :D
honest stag
i really liked how it doesnt make ANY sense
but works anyway
so i left it like that
long anchor
i genuinely have no idea how you made it and it's awesome
last talon
yea and you are going to find it if you generally snoop around
yea wtf teleporters dont work that way what the fuck
last talon
yea dont
honest stag
i started laughing like a maniac when i realised what was happening
i was just as confused at first
last talon
I bet :D
long anchor
you possess the true knowledge , keep it safe
last talon
but tbh I do enjoy the fact that its not working any way its supposed to in the general sense but its fairly obvious that if you have a rat house in your level its gotta be something :D
so people will most likely find it
honest stag
not everyone lol
last talon
ofc not
but if you play games like these alot
hey one tip I do want to ask: the secret entrance to the attic is it before the gate or after it?
honest stag
before
last talon
thanks
I've died so many times already that I dont really want to replay the start any more :D
so thats the only tip I want
lol took me enough time
I was overthinking it after that rat house
tried to dig into the outdoor WC
honest stag
lol
well glad you found it
last talon
there we go
took me enough times to beat it lol
not necessarily a bad thing but you can activate the welders and fork maidens before getting to their areas
honest stag
honest stag
ask flippy he made it not me
long anchor
yeah i know
tepid python
16 gascans get teleported in front of you on the same position
honest stag
lol holy shit
long anchor
ooooo
long anchor
khm khm it would be cool if explosions from canisters, mortars and rivets could deal damage and break breakables khm khm
how do english people actually do the text-cough?
tepid python
In the end the gascans are better because it seems like the car actually exploded
Oh yeah the breakable secret in my jump map requires 40 melee hits to open because rivets do nothing
honest stag
monsters should work
even if they dont - we have a cool workaround that people used a couple times
tepid python
oh well the current version of func vehicle is already too much effort for a shitpost
honest stag
downloading blender rn
time to take level details to the next level
actually this is for future when we'll have custom weapons and stuff
i'm still holding out to that silent hill-ish thing
is it difficult to learn?
... actually
Can .map files be ported to whatever format dusk will support?
Because i'm so down for making blocky guns and using them
gritty forge
I think theres a .bsp to .obj somewhere
but I think zombie might just let you load .bsp files as models
obviously no animations lmao
spiral nexus
there are Blender plugins that let you export bsp files into one big mesh in Blender
it would be pretty funny to have .bsp as custom model support though
gritty forge
@still raptor hello .bsp model support plz
torpid agate
Trench boom supports exporting as obj I think
onyx marten
clip textures don't work atm right?
gritty forge
I think they do
onyx marten
using a normal brush with the clip textures doesn't work for me
onyx marten
zhlt? I'm using quakes clip texture (if that makes a difference, i have no idea)
spiral nexus
Seems like it happens with all clip textures then
onyx marten
alright thx
swift drum
Hey. Just popping in to see how development of H-Dusk is coming along?
still raptor
lol
gritty forge
Understandable but we don't have scripting yet
swift drum
😔
gritty forge
But Dusk already has a hot momma
alpine depot
is there a limit to how many func_breakables can be triggered at once?
no reason in particular, no siree
covert matrix
does this mean we get to ride janky ass tanks in DUSK now?
those were my favorite Sven Coop maps
alpine depot
ok nevermind my triggers just aint working to begin with
lol
ok i am absolutely stumped
my triggers arent triggering the func_breakables at all
does anything look off here?
alpine depot
i'm using the crack texture, and nothing happened when i set it to 0, thats why i had it set to 1
ancient depot
1 is equivalent to putting PlayerOnly
alpine depot
ohh, i saw Entity Only in the editor
ancient depot
Although it looks like we don't have any support for that in trigger_once 
even though we should
looks like only trigger_teleport supports that atm
but anyway, that looks like it should be working
alpine depot
would the amount of func_breakables matter?
ancient depot
nope
alpine depot
oh ok cuz i have 78 of them in this specific sequence
ancient depot
does it work in Half-Life?
ancient depot
oh is your map compiled for quake?
alpine depot
yeah im using ericw's compiling tools
ancient depot
Could you provide a BSP?
@alpine depot oh, I just checked the code
Looks like we have a mistake in our func_breakable implementation
We don't treat health as having a default of 1, but 0
and we treat 0 as unbreakable
So if you add the health property to your func_breakable and ensure it's 1, it should work
I'll look into a proper fix for the next patch
alpine depot
I had a gut feeling lmao
ancient depot
Since I'm fairly certain an unbreakable func_breakable is still meant to break when triggered
Note that your func_breakables have all been grouped into one brush though lol
alpine depot
I always set the health to something like 10000 for good measure but this time I ignored that
ancient depot
so they just break into a few boards in the center
alpine depot
yeah that was part of my attempt to fix it
ancient depot
ah okay
alpine depot
thanks for checking it out though I never would've figured that out
frank violet
is there a way to tell what enemy I'm placing in trenchbroom?
frank violet
When i place a quake enemy, it's labeled in trenchbroom as "monster_shambler"
is there a list that says what that will be?
honest stag
oh you can just rename it to any dusk monster from entities.txt - check pinned
it will show up in game
frank violet
ah cool, is there a list of what translated to what or do i need to through every monster and find out who is who myself?
ancient depot
the translation thing is only a compatibility thing for existing maps
you can place monster_mage etc
honest stag
you can get a custom .fgd from somewhere here too
with preset entity names and some sizes too
ancient depot
they wont appear with their models in the editor yet but we'll be putting out a support kit for that later
frank violet
I just want to know what monster_zonbie spawns, is what i mean
honest stag
well zombie is leatherneck i think lol
ancient depot
I think that spawns a leatherneck
frank violet
I think I'm going to make a list, at the very least for myself
just to figure out what spawns what
honest stag
dog is a goat
army is a soldier
the big army guy is the welder
the knight is a priestess
ancient depot
Yeah we should make a wiki page for it
honest stag
i can start doing that rn actually
ancient depot
👌
honest stag
ey sure, just tell me which is what and i'll make it into the page
frank violet
do we want to do just enemies or all the items too
frank violet
live with a screen r/n of everything
honest stag
can watch discord streams sadly
frank violet
F
honest stag
cant*
ancient depot
you could post a screenshot on imgur and link it
frank violet
why is file uploading not allowed here? just to keep shitposting to a minimum?
frank violet
gottcha
frank violet
oh boy, rats
ancient depot
usually within your first day or two of being active
frank violet
that's fair
ancient depot
and if we were interested in stopping shitposting we'd have to delete the whole server and terminate the company 
torpid agate
Pls delete the server
frank violet
I suppose shitposting and productivity can go hand in hand
still raptor
frank violet
Ok I'm gonna make a list of the things, than post it.
gimme a few minutes
item_rockets: Rivet
Item_shells: shotgun shells, 12 pck
Item_key1: blue key
Item_key2: yellwo key
item_heath: larger health pack
item_cells: crossbow bolts
item_artifact_super_damage: fast fire totem
item_invulnerability: superhot heroin
item_artifact_invisibility: superhot heroin
Item_sigil: ??? Nothing?
item_spikes: Assult Rifle Ammo
Misc_explobox: red 55 gallon barrel w/ explosive
item_artifact_envirosuit: Fire-proof suit thingy that protects you from lava
item_armor1: diamond
item_armor2: diamond
item_armorlnv: Diamond
honest stag
alright gotcha, lemme use that
frank violet
i have more as well
grenadelauncher: mortar
lightning: crossbow
naiulgun: assault rifle
rocket launcher: riveter
supernailgun: bold action rifle/sniper rifle
rocketlauncher: Riveter
supershotgun: super shotgun
honest stag
alright now i need
monster_boss
monster_fish
monster_hell_knight
monster_ogre (both)
monster_oldone
monster_shalrath
monster_shambler
monster_tarbaby
i have the other ones
ancient depot
fish is lil chomper
honest stag
..makes sense
ancient depot
shambler is cowgirl I think
frank violet
monster_fish: mini chomper
hell knight: horror frog thingy that yells and spits
knight: priestess with the sword that sounds like the heater from home alone
ogre: scarecrow
ogre_marksman: ??? nothing?
enforcer: welder
dog: black phillup (the goat)
old one: Stephan Weyte
demon1: wendigo
army: soldeir
shambler: Cowgirl
shalrath: fork maiden
wizard: flying bone monk thing, i think that's what they're called. Not the spinning ball of death.
tarbaby: cart dog
honest stag
"horror frog thingy that yells and spits"
honest stag
Horror
frank violet
oh really
i think "fuck" would be a better name for them, that's what i say when i see them
i think that's everything, i can go check again if we're missing anything
frank violet
"boss" and "ogremarksman" don't spawn anything
unless i fucked it up somehow
it is entirely possible that i did mess it up, it took me forever to get trenchbroom working. I'm not very computer-savvy. I'll check back tomorrow after messing around with it a bit more.
spiral nexus
The offsets for them are off right now iirc
So they might spawn in a different place as the entity
Not sure though
frank violet
i think i noticed this ^
I'll check tomorrow afternoon
or, later this afternoon, I suppose
ancient depot
"boss" and "ogremarksman" don't spawn anything
I don't think any replacements are set up for them so they don't spawn anything yeah
I had a replacement for ogremarksman listed in my earlier prototypes but I guess it never got carried over
honest stag
is it possible to make some sort of invisible barrier which the player can walk through that blocks the enemies' view?
Like walking past an enemy without them being aggro'd
so that the enemies dont aggro from miles away in open areas
spiral nexus
Do enemies see through func_illusionary in DUSK?
long anchor
there's func_illusionary?
wow
i missed a lot of stuff during my 2-weeks vacation from mapping
ancient depot
func_illusionary has been in since almost the beginning
sterile arrow
itd be sick if we could just turn aggro on and off with triggers
frank violet
that's one of the issues I've been having
dusk doesn;t work well with enemies running across the map at the player
it's much better for the player when you can see them coming. or at least have them appear in front of the player before they aggro
jagged kestrel
hey all scott here from mod.io. Just letting you know we've deployed an update to our discord bot should you want to invite it in here (basically sends a notification whenever a mod is released or updated)
If an admin wants to give it a trial, steps are:
- Invite it https://discordbot.mod.io/
- Set default game using
~game DUSK - Subscribe to updates using
~subscribe DUSK
All done! Hope that helps 😄
iron needle
@verbal peak
verbal peak
we'll look into it!
alpine depot
oooo are we surrendering to skynet?
alpine depot
just let me get some popcorn and a lawn chair before then
ivory magnet
maybe later once the modding scene grows a bit more
tepid python
it's already huge
ivory magnet
it's way larger already than we expected it to be yeah
but releases are still scarce enough at this point to not warrant a bot and a releases channel for it to post in. we'll definitely make use of it once the SDK is more feature complete though 🙂
spiral nexus
The bot could post mod publications on this channel or something
gritty forge
Add it cowards 
civic sentinel
Are the ask custom models available yet?
ancient depot
Custom model support isn't in yet
gritty forge
Gimme static_prop actually how would you handle collision for that
tardy charm
Can we do custom weapons or is it just maps atm?
gritty forge
just maps right now my dude
small gate
iqm has early rejection data IIRC
tardy charm
Oh? Because i would love to try to port the weapons from Quake 1 and 2 on DUSK
small gate
what format is Dusk going to support early on for models I'm not sure tho
tardy charm
Perhaps Quake engine map support?
small gate
bsp is already in
tardy charm
i meant models
Would be neat if you could throw in models from the Quake engine to DUSK
small gate
vanilla mdl is sorta crusty tho
tardy charm
because of the lack of skeletal animations and model interpolation right?