Yes I quite like the enemies not being able to leave the industrial yard
#dusk-modding
graceful hinge
not so much the house
What do you mean impossible? It's very possible. Build up speed and hit the jump pad
Maybe I should indicate the Blue Lift a bit better
suppose that skull texture thing doesnt stand out quite like the crystals
mortal narwhal
oh let me check
mortal narwhal
oh wow nvm im just bad at platforming
mortal narwhal
ill get a screen one sec
graceful hinge
Yeah the Hupping Pits are a bit of a step up from the kind of chill pace of the rest lol
mortal narwhal
this part, theres not much incentive to go out into the arena, more incentive to sit back and point & click
graceful hinge
You reckon?
Tried to lure out with the gascan, hoped that would keep people out there
mortal narwhal
I was playing on cero miedo btw
graceful hinge
Ya Cero Miedo is pretty tanky on this one
mortal narwhal
oh, yeah i noticed the can afterwards
graceful hinge
Wondering how I can motivate getting out then
mortal narwhal
care to hear a possible solution?
mortal narwhal
alright one sec, MS paint time
graceful hinge
Appreciated, I'm pretty blind on the actual ethos behind battle design beyond blocking views to make sure it starts at the right time
hence that right fence is way the hell up there and the left one slants up to the right
Make sure the lads in the garden dont all come piling out as soon as you get on the roof
mortal narwhal
Heres an idea
red x = enemy
pink x = ranged enemy
the ranged enemies are stuck on that platform and cant come down
player takes out first two enemies when he walk in
graceful hinge
Aah
graceful hinge
But there's the problem of the window
mortal narwhal
kindof layering the encounter
graceful hinge
Won't enemies proc from sound?
mortal narwhal
nope
graceful hinge
Huh I could swear they did
mortal narwhal
its sightline + sound
if they cant see you they wont aggro
but, of course if youre right in their face they will aggro
graceful hinge
Just want to be sure you can't scramble that whole situation by bopping a dude through the bars
That's why they're all so far back
mortal narwhal
oh lol i didnt even notice that part :)
thats cool though, a little incentive for the more observant among ujs
graceful hinge
All suggestions welcome mayn
mortal narwhal
sweet
one sec
barrier in the middle blocks line of sight to the two ranged guys
two enemies rush player as he grabs whatever powerup/weapon/health
player fights ranged enemies and last two enemies (probably) enter the fight
just spitballing
mortal narwhal
oh yeah
line of sight is everything to layering an encounter
that is not to say that shit-ton-of-enemies-all-at-once encounters don't have a place
graceful hinge
For sure
I'll prob consider a lot of what people mention and go back in and scramble it up in the next few days
Every bit helps for someone who pretty much only knows speed-based level design
That's why the pacing is so deliberate lol
mortal narwhal
haha nice, yeah cant wait to see where this map goes
graceful hinge
Gonna be dot lit when props turn up to
Make that outer area seem less bare
(by that i mean lighting properly)
mortal narwhal
onyx marten
aye is anyone up for testing my overhauled map?
mortal narwhal
yeah
onyx marten
its inteded for cero miedo, kinda survival horror like
mortal narwhal
nice
onyx marten
balmy jetty
ill check it
onyx marten
nice
mortal narwhal
I like it
graceful hinge
Great brush work
graceful hinge
2 in the first run
onyx marten
good i was scared they'd be a bit obvious
mortal narwhal
some doors are openable that have that little nameplate thing and some doors that aren't openable don't have the nameplate which was confusing
other than that, nice map!
graceful hinge
One of your scientists appears to have zipped through the roof
Also found the red walled area secret in reverse then found the normal opening lol
Is that why the gascan is there, to let the creatives blow themself up to the vent
The oob scientist appears to be around the final lunch hall area
Some spawning position issue or an off-grid angle must be bumping him up there
Had it happen in my test map, happens to pretty much all enemies. Unsure exactly how to battle it outside of trial and error
fringe nymph
lightning is not good
graceful hinge
:<
mortal narwhal
graceful hinge
I think anomaly is one of the ones that causes it
mortal narwhal
object_teleporter also, just found it
damn
looks like I'll brush up a teleporter then
graceful hinge
Better to know whats doing it
balmy jetty
@onyx marten really like the new secret in the morgue
And lots of cool new details such as darkness in some places
One thing I miss is the hoards of armyguys in the cafeteria . They were fun to mow down
And they are always fun to put along side the guys that blow up when they are killed. I say add like 8 of them end there and maybe a few more shells next to the switch to conpensate
onyx marten
@graceful hinge yeah he's supposed to be in the room where u used the gascan. never thought of this method to get there but thats nice, i just had it there to kill the leatherneck since ammo can be scarse depending on how many secrets u found. thx for the feedback
graceful hinge
Welcome. Keep working on it, great to see some more horror-inspired approaches coming out
balmy jetty
heh i used barrels to get to the morgue secret from reverse way before i figured out where it was
onyx marten
@balmy jetty which one? the left or the right one? yeah i was torn on the last room, maybe i'll bring the soldiers back. thx 4 playing
@graceful hinge On to ur map now, in general i think its pretty awesome. i like the general style and layout
balmy jetty
the one where you end up in the red flesh room
i went in through a vent on the other side
onyx marten
But I have a couple minor criticisms, 1 the framerate was pretty low sometimes, i dont know whether thats on me or on the map. 2 i think i encountered 2 stairs that were too high so u couldnt go up without jumping
graceful hinge
Was that the starting area that was chugging? That'd be the candles up top
Was curious how that part would run on other rigs
onyx marten
yup the starting area and the outside area a bit
graceful hinge
Hmm maybe I should substitute it for the light objects, they seem to let the engine cope better
RE: Stairs depends on which ones. The starting staircase is like that I know, could tweak it
The stairs inside the side window is kinda non issue since you only ever go down one way.
onyx marten
3 in the beginning room i went straight ahead into the big open area because this seemed like the intended path but ur pretty much screwed if u go there first because u have almost no weapons
graceful hinge
Glad you enjoyed 😄
Yeah I dropped an extra shotty in the industrial yard for that purpose
Maybe the building could use with a SS or something on the other side
onyx marten
and for the last one after killing almost everything i was pretty confused on where to go, are u supposed to climp up on that balcony? cuz i didnt figure out a way to get up there and was a bit stumped
graceful hinge
The balcony with the little window?
onyx marten
yup, i think after that is the room with the stairs u mentioned?
graceful hinge
You're meant to hop over from the roof, which needs the blue key to get up to
onyx marten
i never found the blue key door tbh 😄
graceful hinge
It was the lift lol
graceful hinge
Ya thinking ill make that lift the blue crystal texture
onyx marten
but in general i thought it was really cool, special props to the platforming section wich i didnt get at first either but once i figured out what ur supposed to do i really liked it + that breakable bookcase is awesome
graceful hinge
Thank you much! I might try and put some indicator that you need to go real fast to do the platforms
lapis hare
just have a picture of lightning mcqueen drifting at the start /s
graceful hinge
little picture frame with Sanic in it under the giant sword window
onyx marten
np
torpid agate
How do I get monsters to follow me through doorways?
graceful hinge
Wish I knew
torpid agate
Lol I was just making sure I wasn’t doing something stupid to cause it.
graceful hinge
Nah it seems like a universal problem rn
Archways they can do, doorways not so much
gritty forge
How do I get monsters to follow me through doorways?
Tell them there's free pizza
graceful hinge
prop_delicious_pizza_slice
torpid agate
weapon_pizza_slice
crystal lily
I've used Hammer, but here's how I did it. An info_target parented to the player
npc_bullseye was a Source entity that made NPCS attack it
torpid agate
Interesting. Ty.
crystal lily
Problem is, we dont have those entities in the SDK yet
(not holding my breath for Source entities anyway, Zombie said GoldSource entities are the focus, like info_target)
graceful hinge
I need to work out the deal with the info entities
crystal lily
The wiki will come
onyx marten
I wanna upload my map on moddb but it says that .bsp files are not supported. how's that?
nvm i got it
mortal narwhal
Can I get some lads to play this and give me some criticisms? Did you get lost? Was there enough hp/ammo? Were you ever overwhelmed? Thanks.
summer dagger
@mortal narwhal will do
mortal narwhal
I'll be afk for a while so please @floral drum with those crits
summer dagger
sure
summer dagger
the hospital one?
onyx marten
yup i overhauled it a bit
alpine depot
cant you set a monster entity's target to be another monster entity, and they'll prioritize that and try and kill it before attacking the player? I remember seeing a TB tutorial where he set a monster's target to something and I just got this thought
onyx marten
@mortal narwhal is the teleport platform the end? cuz i got some more enemies remaining but i have no idea where to go
summer dagger
@mortal narwhal loved it, in terms of ammo and hp i think it was pretty ok although i think there was too much hp like i never really had low health and because of that i never felt like in real danger. also the layout is great, i loved exploring the map and i really liked being able to get on top of pretty much every building. what i don't know is if i actually got lost or if there's no ending yet, after getting the yellow key i couldn't find the yellow door. overall it was really fun tho and like made me want to explore like it was welcoming if that makes any sense
sry if my english is kinda broken lol
onyx marten
@mortal narwhal basically what agustin says, i realized i played an earlier build of ur map before tho
and I dont think the crystal texture fits the tower all that well. but layout and overall design is great
summer dagger
also its cool how deep it was, it reminded me of the original dusk maps when you entered a new area and just kept going further and further in, really cool
also it was really fun killing all those rats with the mortar lol
crystal lily
How tall are doors in Dusk supposed to be?
onyx marten
i think i had mine 112 units tall
crystal lily
All right,it just because Im think of making a house
onyx marten
if u're unsure just test it but 112 worked for me
onyx marten
dont know for sure but i made vents 64 units tall and it worked fine
crystal lily
Classic
barren terrace
does dusk support fog?
graceful hinge
game does, dont think sdk does yet
mortal narwhal
@onyx marten @summer dagger thanks for the feedback! yeah I should have noted that the yellow key teleport was the end of my WIP. I'll use those ideas for my next version, I'm glad you both liked it. Other than the teleport at the end, was there ever a point where you didn't know where to go? I really want to make sure the player knows where to go because I hate getting lost in games lol
onyx marten
@mortal narwhal no i didnt get lost anywhere else, i already played an earlier version tho
in that version i got lost a bit but i think this time everything seemed more obvious due to the use of colors and stuff
@barren terrace he did its up there somewhere
cosmic copper
is there a special way to rotate things like the light fixtures? normal rotate tool doesnt work
mortal narwhal
yeah please try it out @barren terrace
onyx marten
is it possible to add a vertice on top or on the bottom of a brush?
mortal narwhal
yeah hold shift and alt then drag up
onyx marten
ahhhhhhhhhh thanks a lot
mortal narwhal
yuup
onyx marten
i've came across a specific problem a couple of times now, anybody know y some textures are always flipped on the y axis?
honest stag
it seems to be happening when they arent touched by a light source
i know this is weird
but it's true
try putting one
and see for yourself
onyx marten
like the light entity has to collide with the brush?
honest stag
the light it emits, yeah
also that can be fixed with a light value on the entire map
onyx marten
oh ok not the actual entity
honest stag
like a small one
cyan bone
how are people compiling maps with ZHLT? every time i try to compile with it i get an error saying "Error: Texture 'black': palette size is not 256."
onyx marten
oh i never tried adding a light value on the map that might be helpful thx
honest stag
just make it real small
onyx marten
like on the worldspawn right?
honest stag
eyyy good
barren terrace
ok mcClone imma play your map
i'm gonna record myself also
hopefully it doesn't make a big file
@mortal narwhal please don't name your map map01
there's already people using that name and it doesnn't help with keeping files organized
barren terrace
cause to play it i have to exclude func_bread's map which is called the same thing
honest stag
hm
i tried putting a "lift" door again and it's not workin', not even on touch
i have to be doing something wrong right
it's just like last time :P
do i have to duplicate the working one again
barren terrace
idk check entities.txt
man i'm really bummed i can't get lighting to work properly in this
outdoor lighting that is
honest stag
probably not
onyx marten
it isnt
summer dagger
yo how can i make a door only openable with a button?
summer dagger
is it door_secret?
honest stag
?
just func_door but triggered by a button, no?
that should make it only open when the button is pressed
summer dagger
ah
onyx marten
yup
honest stag
np
lament ore
@cyan bone what is your DUSK configuration like? I use the Sven Co-op fork or ZHLT and it works fine
original zhlt also works for me, my map is just too large for it
honest stag
imma try and stream again, can make progress so maybe that'll help
barren terrace
@honest stag link?
honest stag
check the streamer's den channel
barren terrace
here's a lil' tip for you folks, try to think of a good piece of dusk music that would go really nice with your level, and play that on the background as you develop it
honest stag
silent hill ost too good
onyx marten
i did that with fallout and unreal tournaments ost
barren terrace
still trying to connect to your stream btw
onyx marten
didnt find it or cant connect?
onyx marten
more hazmat suits 😛
honest stag
So my map is becoming a horror map and i love how it looks
torpid agate
Spooky
honest stag
Lazy skybox or woods at night? you decide
balmy jetty
i wanna do some multiplayer on some of these
barren terrace
getting the final touches on this version of my map before sleep
mostly lighting and props
pretty happy with this actually
the outdoor lighting is a compromise but still
lapis hare
when the sky looks like a ceiling
honest stag
heyyyy looks awesome
cyan bone
@lament ore nvm, managed to fix it by taking "-nowadtextures" off of hlcsg
barren terrace
the well up close and with a proper light fixture
@lapis hare i'm betting you haven't seen a lot of dusk maps?
thanks vriska
lapis hare
nah mate i'm just slapping your--ok i'm not finishing that sentence
honest stag
asscheeks
barren terrace
yeah i figured
lapis hare
vriska the type of guy to try seducing a god in dnd
gritty forge
where the fuck is general
lapis hare
up
gritty forge
ok thanks
gritty forge
Reminder to not place any magic light sources 
gritty forge
Only place light entities were theres actually a light source ||bad advice for quake tbh||
honest stag
uhhh i am stupid
what do you mean exactly?
like you mean if you make a lamp you have to put a light entity there and not have the light enitity just float?
gritty forge
I mean you better have a lamp model or some kind of texture that looks like it gives of light
ye
honest stag
ohhh that
gritty forge
but that's actually bad advice for quake maps :)
rapid crown
Why is that bad advice for Quake maps? Do you mean because of the lack of GI and needing to use a lot of fill lights?
honest stag
FUCKING NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
honest stag
not all of the progress sadly :(
ancient depot
oh rip
honest stag
Oh man i really want to add like a red alarm light oof
it would fit this map so damn well
honest stag
taking a nap really helped - i fucking love how scary this is startin to look and i'm yet to add more details - I REALLY WANT THE PLAYER to not have a flashlight :(
i guess i'll just have to print a "Dont use the flashlight for best experience" message
graceful hinge
Vertex manip strikes again RIP
gritty forge
@honest stag I bet we get some way to break the player flashlight
honest stag
or just "make it fucking yourself" when scripting is out lol
ancient depot
I'll make a note to add something like trigger_break_flashlight
gritty forge
thanks zombie very cool
ancient depot
then you can just place one over the player spawn
gritty forge
then we need the flashlight item aswell
gritty forge
👍
fluid nimbus
can you pick up 2 flashlights
ancient depot
never tried lol
fluid nimbus
dual wield flash light
honest stag
thank you so much for that zomb!
it's like, top 3 features i want lol
ancient depot
lmao
fluid nimbus
all I really need to get started is a way to make maps in TB without ever touching a wad
then I'm all in
ancient depot
you'll need to wait until we have full Q3BSP support then
I dont think theres a compiler for Q1 or HL BSP that supports texture folders
fluid nimbus
oof
lament ore
@fluid nimbus what's wrong with WADs? they're pretty easy to make
fluid nimbus
it's tedious and also it restrict the color palette
I easily lose attention so anything that takes me ever so slightly out of what I'm currently doing, be it mapping or texturing, makes me completely lose focus
I think I posted a pic a while ago of what my texture actually look like vs what they look like in editor / in game
it's really bad
torpid agate
Why don’t you use Q3bsp then?
honest stag
lol
fluid nimbus
not fully supported
also I don't own quake 3
and for some reason trenchbroom wont let me import textures
lament ore
become a JACK Chad, we have WAD3 where each texture gets its own 256 color palette
torpid agate
I just use a placeholder texture and replace said texture with the one I actually want to use in my “Quake3_mods” dusk directory.
fluid nimbus
I imagine it'd be hell for the sdk to support that but I wished I could just outright make maps as scenes/packages in unity
whenever it goes open source I guess
hollow laurel
also think some tools might block that so hit esc to deselect other tools/brushes then do the click -> del thing
torpid agate
I did not know you could hit escape to deselect things bruh I’m dumb
hollow laurel
think tb does stuff in sequence for esc, first it goes back to the default tool (create if nothing selected, otherwise move) then deselects
and to not mess things up, i usually hit esc a few things when i'm moving from working on a brush
fluid nimbus
smash that esc button
dark star
textures are black after adding dusk wad?
honest stag
screenshot?
dark star
console says it couldnt find palette and then a whole bunch of file not found
honest stag
weird
do you have quake 1?
dark star
no
dark star
i just downloaded it
from the two min tutorial description link
got the windows release
yea even entities dont have anything
rapid crown
You need to have quake (or hexen etc) and tell TB where it is so TB can load entities etc
@dark star have you watched the Tranchbroom video tutorial series? Might be a good starting point if you haven't
dark star
where can i find em
rapid crown
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE
@ancient depot @still raptor can we get this pinned please for new mappers?
I'd actually suggest watching the whole thing before you get started, then go back and work through each vid
honest stag
yeah those are amazing, for real
rapid crown
Also, you should definitely get Quake. It's cheap as chips now
honest stag
is it as cheap as a sandwich tho?
(it's a reference ok)
honest stag
aw
rapid crown
Sry
honest stag
q1 atmosphere chad gang rise up 😡
rapid crown
I've never used q3bsp. Require Q3 for it? Also what are the benefits over reg qbsp?
torpid agate
no pallete restrictions. shaders. you can make more complex geometry/terrain. Most of which i dont actually take advantage of lol
im sure theres more. i just started messing with it this past week
rapid crown
Interesting. Is there a resource I can read up on it a little more?
fluid nimbus
you still have to make wads right
rapid crown
Thanks @torpid agate do you have to use q3radiant?
torpid agate
you can use trenchboom
you dont need wads but you do need to extract the textures from the pak and convert them from .tga fromat to .png and place them in a texture folder in the directory where you would place your wads for halflife
half dust
Just woke up. Thought I might start on my second map today whilst waiting for the next SDK update.
How about you?
fluid nimbus
general kenobi
long anchor
pretty good. going to complete my map. not today probably, still have a lot of work to do and very little amount of time
did anyone ask if the music is going to be in near future?
spiral nexus
Sounds will be implemented at some point
Pretty much any HL/Quake feature will be implemented according to Zombie
long anchor
no i mean
ofc it will
in nearest patches?
cause it's kinda meh to play without music
spiral nexus
bruh
long anchor
🇧 🇷 🇺 🇭
honest stag
I might have finally got a hang of normal quake lighting making a horror atmosphere - seriously i just keep looking at the bunker i made and feel unsettled and unsafe
Just because of the light
long anchor
lights rule
onyx marten
do light styles like flickering lights work atm?
torpid agate
Placing light entities is fun and relaxing until it isn’t
half dust
I might be avoiding lighting but I know it will have great effect.
honest stag
I took me like 10 attemps to light up a room with a hallway but the result is just oh man
I love it
It*
spiral nexus
Making maps is fun and relaxing until compiler finds a leak @torpid agate
torpid agate
My maps are so basic so far I hardly have to deal with leaks lol.
long anchor
what do you guys think - is it lit well enough or it's too dark/bright
onyx marten
looks good imo
honest stag
Try turning off light flares in settings, see how that looks
onyx marten
in dusks or tb's settings?
onyx marten
i wish u could just tone em down a bit theyre pretty extreme imo
long anchor
^
honest stag
I just took the bullet and don't use them at all
long anchor
although originally this level should be nightish but it's not since we don't have nightsky yet heh
these posts looked much better with night lighting
honest stag
I gave up and slammed a big black box over the open area in my map lol
long anchor
i did the same, but i didn't really like it
onyx marten
i just try to ignore it until skyboxes are a thing
i have no idea whether to make night or day maps
honest stag
Dusk map 
long anchor
ayeee
you know what
i'm cutting the posts
not all of them, only ones that are
needless?
onyx marten
i dunno see how it looks
river axle
i think they could stand to be sparser, sure.
long anchor
onyx marten
i think thats better
tight fractal
smol guns
honest stag
Ye i agree
long anchor
smol guns for smol duskdood
alpine depot
Someone should do a music mod replacing every track using their beautiful singing voice (recommended not to use beautiful singing voice for a more authentic sound composition)
I'd do it myself but I cant find my microphone and for some reason my headphone mic doesnt work :(
tepid flint
alpine depot
like that minecraft April fool's joke
long anchor
what hups would be like lol
dark star
that reminds me of that half life 2 mod
alpine depot
oh yeah lol that too
honest stag
Uhhh hey @ancient depot , in theory
What if i replace the sickle draw sound with an entire music track lol
Can that work?
ancient depot
It would take a while to load, but it would work
honest stag
Holy shit
... fuck then it would start playing every time you draw sickles
... Then i'm giving the player a sword at the start
YPh my god
Oh*
ancient depot
You can still select the sickles though
honest stag
But you wont because you have the sword!
Or you could select them to start the music when it ends lol
long anchor
i was thinking about replacing rat alert sound with music and then let it follow you under the level on big plane brush
ancient depot
the sickle is more useful than the sword unless you have 200hp since it can return projectiles
honest stag
As a melee weapon tho sword beats it even at low hp
Good ammo conservation
Basically i'm gonna do this
ancient depot
Yeah if you're up close it's better
long anchor
sword is only good when you can charge it since you can deflect projectiles with sickles too
honest stag
Basically i'm making this "mod" now lol
long anchor
hm
what if
you replace not sickles draw, but weapon pickup sound
you hear pickup sound only when you pick up weapon for the first time, right?
honest stag
It will reset the music though
long anchor
hmmm
honest stag
hm
for some reason the sound didnt replace
i should make a sound folder inside of the mod folder, then make a "sickle" folder and add the "draw.flac" right?
is that how it works?
honest stag
let me try and replace it in the dusk folder
gritty forge
honest stag
oh shit it works, but for some reason not on spawn
like if i pick up a weapon and switch to the sickle it will start playing
tall zenith
I didn't see this was #dusk-modding and assumed it was going to be a meme about him crying in the mac miller track review
gritty forge
I just wanted to post a flac meme and this was the first one I found
tall zenith
he protec he attac but most importantly he cry about macc
viscid sinew
pine pelican
hahahahaha
honest stag
so this is fucking awesome i think lol
notice how the music is present at first but then cuts out untill i take out the sickles again???
bootlegs i guess :P
but god damn thank god
map is WIP obviously so more detail work on the way
but holy shit i'm so glad to have music even if it's a janky bootleg solution
honest stag
a blood sink*
barren terrace
@honest stag always save while on vertex edit
fluid nimbus
someone replace rat sounds with jerma's rat song plz
crude cedar
you can't yet
fluid nimbus
can't you replace any sound in the game right now
ancient depot
The sound files are there and can be replaced, but the game doesn't load all of them just yet
Mainly because some sounds are handled differently in the code, and those parts of the code haven't been moved over to the way the SDK handles things yet
spiral nexus
I noticed that editing UI also doesn't really work besides few fonts
honest stag
I mean yeah
Not fully supported yet
ancient depot
Editing the UI isn't supported yet yeah
I wouldn't recommend touching the fonts just yet
onyx marten
what kind of trigger do i have to use to alert an enemy?
honest stag
I tried but it doesn't seem to work
Quake had one
Actually
Dumptruck's tutorial on triggers talks about it
Iirc
But again, i dont THINK it will work in dusk?
onyx marten
yup he used trigger_once. doesnt seem to work in dusk sadly
honest stag
Def something that should be a thing probably
onyx marten
yes, but i'm not even sure if this was used in dusks campaign
honest stag
If shooting can alert a monster, i dont see making them alerted by triggers being a difficult thing to implement
I'm no programmer though, talking out of my ass here
onyx marten
yeah i'd think so too
alpine depot
I just scrapped my entire lift sequence for a cooler one
onyx marten
I've started my second map which follows up the hospital map. but I'm not sure where I'm going with the layout
alpine depot
there's gonna be multiple lifts next to you all around with enemies appearing everywhere instead of just one lift
the enemies actually have a chance of hitting you then
onyx marten
Adding the blood .wad really helped. how's ur map doing so far?
alpine depot
they were all stationary everywhere in the first incarnation and it was either too overkill or not enough for actual difficulty
they kept shooting the ledges every time
honest stag
Oh sounds cool
However
If you are on a vertically moving section, doesn't it mean projectiles will...
Just don't hit and go above?
Like
Enemy shoots-bullets fly at the player
But player moves down at all times right?
Bullets arent connected to that elevator
alpine depot
the lift raises up very slow
honest stag
Oh that's good then
alpine depot
for dramatic effect and also because itd be a cakewalk since you just fly up
also because I wanna play tension ascension the whole time when music support comes in
thatd fit soooooo well
honest stag
I made a bootleg solution somewhere higher
You might use it with a different sound shich only played at the elevatpr start
alpine depot
yeah I read about that
honest stag
Which*
alpine depot
but I'll just wait for proper implementation
I'd rather not wrestle for an hour over something I'll be able to add in a few minutes in the future
honest stag
I did it in minutes tho
But hey, your choice
alpine depot
also it seems like it doesn't fully work as intended as you mentioned so there's that
like it cuts out or smth
honest stag
Nah it doesn't
Basically
You need to make sure that this sound only plays once at the start of the elevator
Preferably being a player sound like weapon switch or item pickup
Like for example - a hallowed health but the pickup sound is now tension ascention
Then it'll work perfectly fine like a trigger
alpine depot
I give the player basically every pickup tho
before the lift
crossbow is a secret tho but still
honest stag
I would go out of my way and do it anyway tbh
Cant imagine that you have HH all over the level right? Cant it be replaced with 2-3 normal healthpacks?
But i'm rambling, you do you my dude
alpine depot
I'm thinking of doing a map pack out of this, I really loved the industrial feel of Ep2 and want to recreate it on a more crazy scale
10 maps and call it "Episode 2 but BETTER"
trenchbroom is so frickin cool tho
it's so easy for terrain and whatnot too which means I can do really awesome shit and make it look cool
so proud of that warehouse still
I'll probably do a platforming focus on map 2 or even make it like a train leve- OOOOOH IDEA
YOULL BE ON A TRAIN AND SHOOT LOSERS ON OTHER TRAINS YOOO
Train top chase sequence bro!
Like Blood but you're on top of the train and there's other trains
fringe nymph
Deathwish but in Dusk
honest stag
with func_door fucking everywhere lol
alpine depot
the walls are func_doors triggered by triggers and that simulates movement
ye
if I can figure out scrolling textures (probs not supported yet lol) I'd definitely add that too
I'm sure its possible somehow
man func_door can do anything
gritty forge
I think you can use func_train if you want to have a moving background
cus at every "corner" you can change the speed of the train
so you can have it go back at like speed 10 and then set the speed to 999 when you want to "teleport" it to the front again
fluid nimbus
@alpine depot is it a nose or a mouth in your profile pic
honest stag
Asking the real questions here
gritty forge
smh
alpine depot
good idea tho I'm keeping that in mind
honest stag
I feel like the 999 speed would break shit
And wouldn't look seamless
alpine depot
can a func_train go through walls tho
long anchor
hell, for my jumppad even 1 was to high
gritty forge
Does WAD3 support 24bit color?
half dust
I don't have any jumppads. 😭
ancient depot
No, only 8-bit colour
The advantage is that each image can have its own palette
So you can have a unique set of 256 colours per image
alpine depot
wait can enemies stand on func_doors without gibbing out of nowhere? (Unless there's something about to sandwich the enemy between the door and another brush and there's a set dmg value)
honest stag
I was pushing enemies with func_door just fine
When they stand on one - fucky shit starts happenings
gritty forge
Ww2 soviet dusk when
alpine depot
oh fuck
gritty forge
I need mosin blyat
spiral nexus
oh yeah, will we be able to edit UI text?
like for example PREPARE THYSELF probably won't really fit in a mod with modern setting
gritty forge
The advantage is that each image can have its own palette
Where was this during Quake's development
still raptor
yeah eventually youll be able to
ancient depot
Where was this during Quake's development
It's a Half-Life thing
and Quake 2 I think
ancient depot
Quake actually has a bunch of colour
honest stag
Seems like i can handle palette restricted textures without much loss though
Unless you hate those
hollow laurel
guess memory restrictions, since 1996-ish :p
gritty forge
Lol
hollow laurel
later bits are quite.... blue
gritty forge
Dabba di dabba da?
hollow laurel
then you also have the palette shifting for when you're in lava, water or taking damage
ancient depot
||especially episode 4 if you get what I mean||
hollow laurel
||gah flashbacks||
gritty forge
Hey zombie could u put func_train on your list
Whats a good way to run quake 1 on win 10
It runs like shit on my pc for some reason
ancient depot
func_train is already on the list because it's necessary for quake compat
honest stag
Quakespasm
gritty forge
Alright
Thanks
cus we were talking before about train levels
and I think you can do a nice moving background with func_train
I get well over 100 fps in quake 3 yet quake 1 lags hella hard/
what sourceport u runnin
When running steam versions
Lel
bro grab quake-spasm atleast
Ill try that when I get home
gritty forge
else you can grab darkplaces if you want GRAFICS
Is it just me or does texture filtering look gross on old games
Like muddy gross ass lowres shit compared to just pixels
yes it does
Wish more modern games allowed me to use nearest mipmap ;-;
Some games it looks like shit tho
Hires games mostly
bro just let me change all the opengl options
hollow laurel
what was that?
adds more filtering
gritty forge
fuck you and ur game nerd I'm gonna open the nvidia control panel and do whatever I want
hollow laurel
hehe
fringe nymph
gray and brown quake is not a meme, just convert doom textures/sprites for quakes palette.lmp
crude cedar
BROWN may be a meme but there's certainly some truth there
gritty forge
post doom palette
fringe nymph
gritty forge
now that's some colors fellas
heavy sluice
Still alot of brown when will game devs learn that you just can't have brown at all
Any brown reminds me of shit and if I get reminded of shit while playing your game it means your game is shit
gritty forge
lmao
heavy sluice
Shit both of them
heavy sluice
I've shit green before
gritty forge
Quake 2 be like "wow ur john "john" johnsoon and your gonna kick the aliens ass"
heavy sluice
After eating fruity cereal
fringe nymph
ive shite green once not idea why
heavy sluice
You're an ogre
crude cedar
green shit reminds me of an ancient minecraft modpack I once played
heavy sluice
Dusk?
crude cedar
yeah that sounds right
hollow laurel
there we go, started on the mine with some decoration done to see how it could work out
crude cedar
bucke
hollow laurel
well, gotta have somewhere to put the meat you have mined
alpine depot
off? The game with the weird cat guy at the very beginning?
honest stag
yeas
alpine depot
I never got to play it, because it didnt like my 2560x1080 resolution
it looked really weird and neat tho
I liked the music too from what I found of it
hollow laurel
nope, just had the idea that they mine meat from the mountain
iron needle
MEAT MINE
barren terrace
hi dave
sterile junco
eat wall
gritty forge
Don't beat the mine it did nothing wrong
alpine depot
cutty mine more like meaty mine
@honest stag btw what do you mean about enemies standing on top of func_doors having fucky shit happen? Do they gib, or fall through sometimes?
onyx marten
@alpine depot when i did that they just floated in the air after the door moved to the side
alpine depot
I'm making mine raise though, like a lift
dunno how itd affect their behavior or if itd just gib them if I set a dmg value
cobalt girder
https://youtu.be/RQaYwwA4LZk I am here to post this video and nothing else
alpine depot
oh sweet merciful jesus
hollow laurel
oh dear
gritty forge
na na naa na... na na na nanana na
mortal narwhal
gaming
onyx marten
that looks really good
is it possible yet to make a door open as soon as u killed a certain amount of enemies in a room?
gritty forge
I think so
hmm I can't find one
okey try trigger_counter and set the count value to however many enemies you have
then have the enemies target the trigger_counter
gritty forge
nah it should be
onyx marten
it didn't work. trigger_counter isn't listed in the entities.txt
iron needle
trigger counter is supported but it's only for doors
I actually wasn't aware you could have enemies target it lol
rapid crown
Do your homework Dave, jeez 🙄
onyx marten
so it only works for button sequences that open a door?
iron needle
@rapid crown I did. Quake mapping documentation is just garbage.
@onyx marten yeah currently
onyx marten
alright
onyx marten
i got the trigger_counter targeted by 2 buttons and the counter targeting the door. the sequence itself works but when it's completed the door doesn't open. anybody know what i did wrong?
gritty forge
@iron needle Monsters don't send a trigger? smh fam
I dont see a red arrow to the door in the screenshot
onyx marten
balmy thorn
So I kind of got tired of the rural village setting and am now working on a city 😛
Not that I'm done workingon the first map.
How's progress for you guys?
half dust
I added doorframes today and lowered all my buildings so the floors are level with the exterior ground.
torpid sphinx
Anyone know how to add a sky brush
Trying to grasp trenchbroom's mechanics before doing anything with dusk
ocean mist
I think you just need to apply a sky texture to the brush and it becomes a skybox if thats what you mean
torpid sphinx
Hmmm
I'll have to watch some more videos
crystal lily
Trench broom is much better than Hammer with aligning brushes
Really essential feature that should have been there(Hammer) from the start
half dust
Yeah, just use a sky texture. I added a skybox today too. Currently there's only one. Day time with clouds.
crystal lily
How big should textures be?
gritty forge
we out here vibin
crystal lily
I'm using Slade to look at textures, but it cant read Half Lfie images
faint summit
anyone know here i could find a texture wad for some wild west stuff?
barren terrace
Make one
it's pretty easy
google, wild west textures, open them up on something like aseprite, set the resolution to something like 128x128, pack into a wad with the tool in the pins
faint summit
clicking makewad.exe doesnt do anything
faint summit
I think so
wait nope
I put a png in but it still would not make a wad
I put it in a folder along with the exe
I click on the exe
But I don't see a new wad
alpine depot
aw man enemies cant stand on func_doors when they go vertically :(
onyx marten
and you get the "SEQUENCE COMPLETED" message?
@gritty forge yup
@alpine depot have u tried using a func_plat instead?
barren terrace
@lament ore didn't you make a custom wad? how did you do it?
alpine depot
a func_plat?
are those supported yet?
wait those only activate when the player is on it according to the wiki
iron needle
not yet but it's soon on the list
also currently enemies can't stand on moving things
alpine depot
rip
onyx marten
oh i thought they were since they're in the entities list
iron needle
oh, yeeeeeah that's a bit misleading isn't it?
oops
It's because they ARE supported as an entity, in that they will spawn in the loaded map, but they don't like... know how to do anything yet
alpine depot
well put them in school already smh
barren terrace
is there a way to upscale brushes automatically
i think 500_pts mentioned something about it
crystal lily
I created a pictures folder with .png and tried the makewad.exe . Didnt work
Tried dragging a .zip file onto the .exe
@ancient depot lil help?
Ok, I just opened Slade, made a new wad and dragged in the .png files
vestal hare
I put func_breakable on a brush and it didn't break anything extra i needa do?
balmy thorn
@iron needle What is the entity name for the soldier corpses from the sp?
If they have been added to the sdk yet that is 😉
vestal hare
When i press any key to start my level it loads for like a split second and then overlay the press any key part again saying Escape
anyone know why
its stopping me from spawning in
balmy thorn
Possibly a bugged entity or some complicated geometry. Had the issue earlier but solved it by deleting an entity.
onyx marten
@balmy thorn How's ur city doing so far?
balmy thorn
By bugged I mean not properly implemented (It's an alpha)
iron needle
I don't believe they've been added but I'll make sure they are
balmy thorn
Great 😉
@onyx marten Very well I think. I'll grab a screenshot of an interior area (exterior isn't presentable yet 😛 )
onyx marten
did u plan the layout or do u just create stuff as u go? I'm also working on a city :p
balmy thorn
I have a few general ideas then I kinda follow the pacing/gameplay beat as I go along.
vestal hare
https://i.imgur.com/zoDHLKP.png should i the white box thats colliding with the green line be set to worldspawn?
if so how do i select it
balmy thorn
onyx marten
that box looks like its a collection of brushes/ func_details and stuff maybe?
i dont think thats the problem
looks nice @balmy thorn
balmy thorn
Thanks
barren terrace
not a lot of progress on my map yet
will do a screenshott when i progress a little
balmy thorn
@vestal hare Seek out the problem by eliminating a portion of the map, save, compile then ctrl + z in the editor and test the map in-game. If the problem persists do the same in another area, then repeat until it works.
When it works you'll have a general idea of the area which causes the error, then you can delete one thing at a time until it works.
vestal hare
i think its that some of the map has a key attached but its undefined. I can't seem to just deleted the key as its not appearing
onyx marten
isn't that escape screen also caused by a missing palette.lmp?
balmy thorn
No idea tbh
onyx marten
so u could check that first
vestal hare
i think its because a i copied brushes that were func brushes and didn't give them values i think make structural fixes it in the right click menu
balmy thorn
@iron needle Will we be able to shake the screen etc with triggerable entities to simulate quakes?
Like in Half Life.
iron needle
@balmy thorn it certainly could be done at some point yeah
balmy thorn
Alright 😉 I think "simple" things like that enables creators to create a lot of atmosphere/add that extra oompf to scripted events.
@vestal hare I noticed that you placed a monster_shambler which is a Quake enemy. Could that be the issue?
vestal hare
https://i.imgur.com/wxc6ab5.png i think this text is the problem
i dunno how to select the object that is undefined
onyx marten
is it inside of another brush?
vestal hare
No idea, im about to quit man. This is some bs spent about a hour tryna debug this
fresh pivot
try drawing a brush around it and then select inside?
edit > select inside
could also just select everything else and copy+paste it into a blank map
mortal narwhal
@iron needle how much of a pain was probuilder? I'm thinking about making the switch from tb
iron needle
I would not suggest that
onyx marten
isn't there some type of search option for tb? that would be really helpful
iron needle
I'm not even sure we have a good workflow in place for importing maps made in PB unless there's a way to convert them to bsp that I'm not aware of
mortal narwhal
alrighty, I'll stick with tb for the time being :)
alpine depot
good god imagine wanting to use probuilder
it's such a borky tool to use for anything
man id kill for trenchbroom implementation in unity
or at least a way to import maps made in TB
mortal narwhal
I dont have to imagine :^)
still raptor
@vestal hare You can probably find your undefined entity by opening the .map in notepad
and manually removing it
torpid agate
What’s the command to reload your mod without restarting dusk?
still raptor
nbrefresh
torpid agate
Cool ty
crystal lily
Do we literally have to delete our previous .bsp and make a new one everytime you make a major change?
Bc it's not quite like the .vmf to .bsp, where everytime the .vmf was changed, so was the .bsp
@still raptor
still raptor
no
just recompile the bsp and overwrite
you can get trenchbroom to automate that for you
so its 1 click
honest stag
Man i really don't like having the player manually reset the music by switching to sickles lol
At least i have music now
crystal lily
Btw, have you seen the official untis on Dusk Dudes height in units?
honest stag
Sooo we havent had a patch in a bit now
What's coming in the next one?
crystal lily
Ping one of the dev
And I definitely think there should be a question thread of some kind(maybe on the Duk wiki?) for mapping related questions
alpine depot
I wonder what's coming in the next patch
crystal lily
Hey @lament ore , do you need any help testing your .fgd
honest stag
@gritty forge wtf is func_train working? how did ya do that?
alpine depot
looks like it works but when he jumps on it in the video he doesn't move with it
iron needle
@honest stag Zombie and I both crunched hard for the alpha release and the first few patches. I believe he's taken a few days off, and I've had to spend time on other New Blood games, so there hasn't been much work on the SDK front over the last few days, but I've started doing some stuff with it again and I imagine Zombie will be back into the swing of things soon also
Unsure what all will be next update but I would assume func_plat will be one of them, and probably fixes for the entity lighting issues
crystal lily
I don't see pinned compiler instructions for TB. Should it be qbsp.exe?
I can laucnh Dusk, but it doesnt give me the "custom levels" option like usual
I've looked up stuff on this, and tried multiple ways(dusk_win.bat, qbsp.exe, dusk.exe) but they dont work
iron needle
you'll want to launch the version of Dusk in the SDK/bin/win_x64 folder
iron needle
well the version of Dusk it's pointing to atm is the vanilla version, not the SDK version
ancient depot
@crystal lily makewad is a command-line tool, so dragging a folder onto it won't work
The parameters are listed on the GitHub release page
and yeah, change both the working directory and the tool options
working directory should be the "SDK" folder
Tool should point to what David said
crystal lily
Ok, let me see
Somehow I missed the paramaters on Github(I looked at your Readme though)
Let me just show you
I could use this information to help other people
Sorry, le tme reread something
ancient depot
crash course in using makewad: https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/240195284695646209/586508960128040961/662997471416287254
crystal lily
thanks
honest stag
eyyyy looks good my man
imma go live with some mapmakin' again
i hope to finish 2 fucking rooms in 1 hour this time
this is supposed to be a headless person but he looks.. off
cant point my figer at it
iron needle
I love it
graceful hinge
How goes the mapping nerds
deft oyster
fringe nymph
I'm really bad at trenchbroom, and really bad at designing maps
honest stag
i'm bad
graceful hinge
I'm great at imagining things, terrible at bringing them to life
Bump of something I finished yesterday. At w/any feedback thoughts ❤️ https://www.dropbox.com/s/x594yrm3b7gbjv3/ECJM1_Black_Stump_Hamlet.bsp?dl=0
rapid crown
@honest stag it looks like a headless Ninja Turtle. I love it 😄
honest stag
a headless fucking ninja turtle lmao
thank you
Eyyy cryptic i"ll give your map a go after i"m done for today with mine
solid prairie
@gritty forge i will make a serious sam map... or attempt it
graceful hinge
Whenever you can, no rush
Probably going to update it once SDK patches fire up again, when something new to add appears like transparency or properly lit props
graceful hinge
You might get that issue at the start. The candles are chuggers
I guess my rig just handles them well but even I noticed a wee drop
@iron needle Thank you! ❤️ Yeah some of them feel a bit cheap for secrets, might take one or two them out (the secret marker not so much the related area)
honest stag
oh man this map is awesome but withiout saving - jesus
graceful hinge
Did your FPS come back?
graceful hinge
According to the thread about 5 days
Pretty much 3 ideas rolled into 1, underground, industrial yard, estate
honest stag
i also like the super mario parkour section
graceful hinge
Yey
Want to make a map super focused on platforming/weapon trick nonsense but I want to kind of learn how actual building process works first
Definitely doing a Rivet boost management map at some point
spiral nexus
can't wait for half of the maps be rocket jump training maps like in TF2 once SDK is fully out
graceful hinge
Rocket Jumps/Nade Boosting/Xbow Flying as one can become insanity
spiral nexus
I wonder if we could script rocket jumping to be more floaty
kinda underwhelmed by riveter in Dusk
Nades feel more mobile tbh
graceful hinge
it would be worse if the levels were taller
like if we had to do AEs Tower of Light in Dusk
thatd be even more of a nightmare to climb than it already is
spiral nexus
Personally I like my rocket jumps to be very versatile, since you're sacrificing health for mobility
but that's just my two cents
honest stag
tf2 rocket jumping or bust
spiral nexus
^^
gritty forge
rip my pill boi if true
lament ore
ALMOST done decorating this gawtdamn map. I won't have any more time to work on maps until next week so RIP lol
@crystal lily the thing I need help with most in the fgd is sizing out the objects and props. Check my earlier messages for the zip and instructions I sent. I appreciate ur help
Here's the latest fgd, also
I won't have much time this week to work on things with all the overtime and not being at truck gate ;_;
Once I do have time tho, I'm gonna start using the Half-Life fgd as a base since almost everything from goldsrc will (eventually) be supported so I'll pretty much just need to add the objects and props and a few properties here and there
And obv I'll work on the sizing of things. I might just remove the placeholder models entirely since they don't do a WHOLE lot of good and their sizes aren't very analogous to the Dusk enemies and such
That said @iron needle if you're willing to send me a zip of the needed Dusk model blends I'll be more than happy to create all the MDLs to use in the editor. I'm familiar with the process.
P.S. for anyone new in the chat please keep in mind this is an unofficial placeholder fgd so don't expect things to be perfect
hollow laurel
still quite handy for placing proper enemies/weapons/pickups so far
and can muck about with props a bit
hollow laurel
think i've seen something to that effect, but not sure
ancient depot
Only Windows is supported for now
Makes it quicker and easier to push out quick patches, so we can focus on getting stuff implemented
Unfortunately Unity has no "build for all desktop platforms" option which would include binaries for the Big Three™️, you have to do it separate for each
There's always Bootcamp or a VM if you get desperate in the meantime
hollow laurel
if you really want to get started and have a copy of quake, you could still download trenchbroom and start making a map
ancient depot
That too
hollow laurel
i don't find myself really great with the mappings stuff, but still find it fun as a creative outlet
honest stag
played the map @lament ore , it looks downright amazing even this early
i assume it's going to remain daytime? or will you make it a different time of day when other skybox textures are supported
cuz i would love to see this map on sunset
honest stag
so how are your maps nerds
man it sucks to live in a region where no one else shares a timezone, maybe australians
no one is around when it's evening for me
honest stag
well it's alright, i made like
3 rooms...
hollow laurel
still have a few hours before I'm home from work, but have an idea what to do at least :p
onyx marten
that bunker map? it looked like more last time you shared something lol
hollow laurel
for starters a larger room in the mine (where i have a few ideas for meat mining), along with shifting the church to the left (so the mine area doesn't get overly long)
honest stag
hm? last time i shared something was the guy stamped to a wall