after the room with the lawnmower
#dusk-modding
honest stag
that is very very weird, there's nothing there that should cause issues
onyx marten
yeah i didnt see anything that should be a problem
alpine depot
woo i got the doors working
i just said "fuck it" and put them into two separate triggers
onyx marten
but it wasnt as severe as my candles were probably, it was ok just not so smooth
@balmy jetty oh yup its 3 secrets
@honest stag did u find the key in my cathedral map?
honest stag
no actually :P
onyx marten
aight, i figured it may be a bit too well hidden
honest stag
did found some secrets tho
onyx marten
eh, on that map i only remember the key and that diamond on top of the crucifix that ur not even able to reach lol
lament ore
@honest stag uploading those vids now, they'll be about 20 mins
barren terrace
vriska can you send me some links to maps
lament ore
ready in 20 mins
barren terrace
i tried finding them here but couldn't
summer dagger
is hospital4 a part 4 or a version 4?
honest stag
eyyyy nice
summer dagger
i wanna know so i dont start at the wrong place
honest stag
well i'll drop them here, i dont think it'll be a big deal since they have already been posted
actaully no
onyx marten
its version 4
honest stag
people will link them if they want to
summer dagger
k cool ill play it
alpine depot
aight guys droppin my map 😎
balmy jetty
noice
alpine depot
it ends when the lift doesnt work because i fucked up something
i dont recommend playing on cero miedo unless you're fucking nuts(.wad)
honest stag
i can take it :)
alpine depot
honest stag
let's-a-gop
lament ore
@onyx marten uploading now
balmy jetty
@onyx marten there is a scientist on out of bounds 😦 im uploading now but couldnt 100%
i found him in my nbclip mode
alpine depot
oh yeah there's like five or six enemies out of bounds, two of which are in a broken monster closet
icy isle
when i add ur guys maps they dont have textures how do i fix that?
lament ore
@honest stag https://drive.google.com/open?id=1X7UDXQVgQ91mAujH-_Er6kPU150SUlY1 just download the file, don't bother waiting for it to process lol. In this run I managed to bug myself out of completion, I'm uploading a second video where I (think?) I completed the map
Aesthetically you did a frickin superb job my mans
Gameplay-wise I'd suggest you read the door problem article from Andrew Yoder. There's a couple places in your map where it suffers from that.
Some tips off the top of my head to alleviate the door problem in your map - have the cell the horror is in breakable so I can't just stand outside the cell and shoot him dead
In the part where you go up the ladder and there are enemies in the room, I just fight from the ladder because there's no real reason for me to go up there and risk taking damage instead of just gunning them down from safety. Maybe teleport them in after the player comes up into the room
barren terrace
alright i'm about to play @alpine depot and @onyx marten 's maps, let's see what you guys got
honest stag
alright i'll check out the vidya a bit later, having guests lol
balmy jetty
@onyx marten if i had any recs, i would only have 2 minor ones. maybe first isnt possible but 1): put some image/CCTV/static on the hanging TV's and 2.) maybe more enemies in stairwells. would be fun to jump down them fighting
alpine depot
my map suffers a lot from the door problem, but i intended for the most part for it to be like that
balmy jetty
not necessarily moving, i just mean anything but the "no image"
he said it was beta tho
barren terrace
vrista send me your map
barren terrace
DON'T SPOIL IT
alpine depot
spoiler alert!! you shoot things!
honest stag
JESUS FUCK DUDE THAT'S A LOT OF ENEMIES AQUA
alpine depot
lol
balmy jetty
hahaha
alpine depot
i may have overdone it
im not the best at balancing
also why i said dont play it on cero miedo
I Can Take It at the most
summer dagger
holy fuck hospital4 was scary
lament ore
@onyx marten your vid is uploading I'll link it when it's done. I got some strong "survival horror" vibes from your map, I think you should lean into that and make ammo way more scarce. Your map could be legit scary if it's like "oh god should I use my shotgun ammo on this enemy or should I save it for something bigger" and etc. Also I feel like the grunt battle didn't really work. I'd say maybe get rid of the grunts and just make me fight the welder alone but with way less ammo available.
yea hospital4 is gonna be good as fuck once ambient_generic is available lol
honest stag
WHAT THE FUCK
lament ore
@alpine depot I'll play your map rn
alpine depot
oh cool you got past the warehouse
there's three secrets but they dont count on the scoreboard thingy
barren terrace
wait
guys
i'm bugged
the start "press any button to continue" screen won't go away
what am i doing wrong?
lament ore
@icy isle you need palette.lmp in your mnt/local/dusk folder
you can get it off the quake wiki
@barren terrace what map?
honest stag
damn dude your map is fucking awesome aqua
seriosuly i love it a lot
finished it now
onyx marten
oh man i just got something to eat
lament ore
You might need to close and reopen Dusk if you added new files. You can only hotload when you're replacing existing files
alpine depot
thanks vriska, you think i should tone down the amount of enemies?
honest stag
y e s
alpine depot
i went a bit crazy in the warehouse and gate control areas
honest stag
literally every section = 1/2 the enemies
barren terrace
i opened it after i added the files
honest stag
seriosuly
barren terrace
ok
i'm not sure what's going on
does nobody else have this issue
still doesn't work
onyx marten
damn it really is surreal watching someone play ur map
@balmy jetty im not done but big ups for pulling out the cigar lol
balmy jetty
🙂
honest stag
uhhhh bread
alpine depot
alright i've reduced the amount of enemies a bunch
warehouse should be much more doable
barren terrace
i think i have to reinstall
honest stag
@lament ore
barren terrace
not sure what's going on
honest stag
like it's not the end of the map
barren terrace
is everyone loading the custom maps in the same mod they make their own?
barren terrace
maybe that's got something to do with it
lament ore
@honest stag here's the video where I complete the map https://drive.google.com/open?id=132VLUd5V4Ze_KTcBQBqj_fMk2DMGIdEB
balmy jetty
i have them all in diff dirs named after the creator
honest stag
'ight thank ya
balmy jetty
you do have palette.lmp dont you?
lament ore
@honest stag is it a trigger_once? because I ran through it unintentionally and then the door closed itself and I couldn't trigger it again
the door should probably just stay open
honest stag
yeah it is lol
i didnt think wait -1 was working so i just raised it
lament ore
ahh
yeah I was busy avoiding enemies
cc @ancient depot on the door staying open not working
balmy jetty
@barren terrace https://imgur.com/a/qrg3AYK
lament ore
@alpine depot uploading a vid of your map now. I think I might've ran into a similar bug as Vriska's map and I couldn't complete it lmao
alpine depot
what happened?
onyx marten
@func_bread thanks for playing, i wanted to go for a rather creepy setting with it. thats actually a good idea, i thought it should have an action setpiece at the end but maybe i'll make the cafeteria a lot darker and put 1 or 2 welders or something in there. also i may reduce the ammo
lament ore
Regardless, like others have pointed out, yea the door problem and too many enemies. Try making better use of fewer enemies. When I make maps I try to go for as few enemies as possible to make the experience I want to make
alpine depot
yeah i've lowered the enemy count, 25 less bad boys hanging around now
working on that door problem
lament ore
When you have too many enemies it either becomes boring because I'm just shooting enemies from a doorway, or it becomes unreasonably hard
nice
honest stag
25 less?
alpine depot
i'll probably open up the warehouse more as well as gate control
honest stag
it needs to be like 75 less my man
lament ore
balmy jetty
ok i gotta play this monster_aqua map now to see what you guys are crowing about
lament ore
def give this a read
alpine depot
yeah i read it earlier
balmy jetty
CM ftw
alpine depot
"pfffft ill be fine"
honest stag
way too much
onyx marten
@balmy jetty thank u, the no image screen was the best i got lol. thx for bringing the bugged scientist to my attention.
alpine depot
that welder in the start of gate control is gonna fuckin die tho
onyx marten
yeah imma give monster aquas map a go now
barren terrace
alright i figured it out
now hopefuly playing both maps
like properly this time
alpine depot
changing up the warehouse a bunch
barren terrace
ok
alpine depot
would you prefer less cover or more?
honest stag
can the door problem be solved devil may cry style
when i just slam the door behind the player like an asshole
barren terrace
my maps load up fine but other people's doesnt
honest stag
so he's forced to take it like a man
balmy jetty
i dont even know if thats possible yet
alpine depot
good idea
barren terrace
i'm not sure
onyx marten
yup its possible but i didnt want to create a wad just for the tv and this goofy picture i had in mind lol
balmy jetty
hehe
alpine depot
summer dagger
barren terrace
so i've been sitting here trying to figure this out
summer dagger
@honest stag is that the end of the level?
honest stag
jump into the coffin
summer dagger
cuz if not then i got totally stuck
summer dagger
i did jump in it but i dont remember seeing the message
probably thought it just said that i found a secret so i didnt even read it lol
honest stag
ahhh damn
onyx marten
didnt see that message either iirc
lament ore
@honest stag that's actually addressed in the article lol. Yes but it doesn't feel good and gets old fast if you do it every time.
onyx marten
@alpine depot im not even halfway done but u absolutely killed it with the details and overall look of the map
barren terrace
should i just report this?
honest stag
damn
alpine depot
thanks, i'm glad my efforts are paying off
honest stag
Clarity, you sure your game is up to date?
barren terrace
yeah
lament ore
yea the map looks superb @alpine depot
summer dagger
k so im having some issues so i wont be uploading my playthroughs but lemme say that all the maps i played were really fkn cool
lament ore
I'll upload mine so far rn lol
alpine depot
ok i think i have solved the door problem devil may cry style, can two trigger_once's target a door and essentially toggle it being open or closed?
lament ore
me map. visuals are a WIP obv
@alpine depot why not just allow the door to be opened with the use key?
alpine depot
is that how they solve it devil may cry style?
ive never played the games
i want to lock the player in the warehouse so they're forced to push through it, i've changed up layouts a lot so it shouldn't be a big deal
barren terrace
i'll play it if i can get the other maps to work
lament ore
oh I see. idk if target on death works yet, but when it does you could just have the toughest enemy unlock the door when he dies lol
barren terrace
FUCKING FINALLY
summer dagger
@onyx marten hospital4 was SCARY n i jumped a bunch of times with the jumpscare-y placed enemies, also the fact that its completely silent made it extra spooky and imo, you should keep it that way. i did get stuck and had to play it again to beat it but that's the only ''negative'' thing i'd say which is not even that bad, keepitupboi
alpine depot
that means i need my teleporting monster closet to work
barren terrace
playing all of them now
alpine depot
cuz i have a boneball as a miniboss that TPs in when you get the red key
but trigger_teleport be dead :(
barren terrace
@lament ore please dm me your map so i can play it later
lament ore
OH YEAH @onyx marten I did get a little turned around with the layout of the map. Some more landmarks could help a lot
onyx marten
@alpine depot awesome job with that map, i love the big room with the trains. only criticism i have would be that there are a bit too many enemies / too few weapons especially at first
alpine depot
yeah i'm fixing that up right now
balmy jetty
ok yeh CM is too much
onyx marten
and i noticed with that elevator at the end that 2 tires actually go up lol
balmy jetty
im still trying tho
alpine depot
@lament ore first of all MY EYES, second of all i love that cliffside, damn, good job
yeah the lift is borked but i'm working on it
onyx marten
@lament ore @summer dagger thx. ur right i'll have to add some more detail in general. given its a hospital its supposed to look a bit samey but i understand it may bea bit confusing sometimes
gatdamn i have to go to bed but i'll try func_breads map first
lament ore
lolol thx lads
lament ore
@short sentinel I showed my gf the hellscreen trailer and she said to tell you "It's horny. It's sexy. It inspires lust." so take that as you will
Thanks babes ❤️
summer dagger
@honest stag the design on the church is crazy, i was progressing really slowly on the level because i'd always stop to check out all of the little details that you put in it, it actually felt like a real place and not just a level if that makes sense
@onyx marten i kinda like the samey look on the layout though, it made me feel lost and like alert all the time
and as you said it fits well with the hospital theme
onyx marten
yup im also really diggin that terrain design
also i finally realised i maybe should use more wads than quakes and dusks
alpine depot
no ending yet
balmy jetty
ohh i found a switch
onyx marten
@summer dagger thanks, also i dont even know what landmarks to put in given the overall theme
lament ore
balmy jetty
i like when switches in one area open something in another, but yeh maybe somehow draw more attention to it
alpine depot
that'll do it
balmy jetty
ah yeh perfect
alpine depot
"gee i wonder what this does"
balmy jetty
i think the switch texture itself is a bit camo. i blame new bloods
alpine depot
nah
alpine depot
too many enemies?
barren terrace
1 - remove some of the enemies in the corridors, they feel really cluttered in them and there's not enough space to have interesting fights against them, the warehouse and the room with the red key can hve them though, they're good
alpine depot
i've halved the enemy amount and changed some layouts so everything should feel a lot better to play
barren terrace
2 - the detailing looks really nice, i thought the lack of colored lighting might hold back how pretty you could make maps, but it still looks great, i see you spent a lot of time on it detail wise and it really shows, nice work
alpine depot
yeah i wish colored lighting was supported
and music :(
i wanna listen to lord hulshult's jams :(((
barren terrace
3 - i don't know how much you have in terms of sound control but maybe add that one door sound for when doors open, if that's even supported. i like the idea of having a switch open up a different part of the map, but it needs to be telegraphed more, like either have it happen in front of the player or have a sound queue of some sort
alpine depot
yeah sounds dont seem to work rn
otherwise i'd be adding sooooo much of that
sound plays such an important role in anything
summer dagger
@lament ore really liked how open yours was and also how even if it was really open you paid attention to every part of it instead of just making big empty spaces
also all of the cliffs surrounding it are amazing, it felt really cool to climb them and to see the view from up there
barren terrace
4 - i see you tried to mix and match a lot of enemies, and what's done really well here in some places, i like that i can kill the welder first to dispatch of a bunch of soldiers
overall well done, i look forward to playing V2
alpine depot
v2 might come out just about now, mainly seeing if the door problem and enemy placement issues are fixed
balmy jetty
@alpine depot i wish there was a secret crossbow to find before that room that the switch opens
barren terrace
now
balmy jetty
you could mow down lines with single bolts
barren terrace
about @onyx marten 's map
alpine depot
you'll need the crossbow for sure when you're on the lift
so yeah i'll give the player that not just in a secret
or wait i have a better idea
balmy jetty
yeh but all dusk players find the secrets. especially if its an easy one
like maybe if you jump across to that second big barrel thing in the room with the switch
summer dagger
hey aqua where's your bsp
alpine depot
mine are pretty well hidden if i say so myself
oh hold on i'm putting in a new bsp right now
balmy jetty
or maybe have a way to get up to where the mage/wizards are in that level
summer dagger
oh hell ye
alpine depot
just gotta recompile
balmy jetty
via platforming, have it count as a secret, but it would also be somewhat visible if you kjump
summer dagger
sure ill wait
onyx marten
there were secrets in ur map monster_aqua? the stats didnt show any
alpine depot
oh yeah they arent official yet
balmy jetty
nah i was saying there could be an early secret with a crossbow
alpine depot
if you want the first secret, look to your right when you start
balmy jetty
btw i was noclipping around your map
and ran into a room out of bounds full of bone balls
LOL
alpine depot
yeah
balmy jetty
i instadied
balmy jetty
i felt it was punishment for me noclipping
alpine depot
hold on im gonna whip up a "NO CHEATING" out of bounds area texture
barren terrace
Alright poolboy heres some feedback
lament ore
@summer dagger thx bb ❤️
barren terrace
1 - i liked the attention to detail, nice moody start, gets pretty involved when you get to the first little arena. i'm guessing harder difficulties have more enemies? cause it felt a bit empty, detailing wise i really liked how you did certain things but you should probably break up some of the empty space with detail
summer dagger
:)
lament ore
did the effect of the forest and cliffs converging in the distance work?
barren terrace
2 - secrets felt pretty good, but i feel like they should have rewarded the player a bit more? i like the attempt tho, just needs to be planned out a bit more in order to properly feed into gameplay
3 - i don't like the use of that barrel being the only way to get the red key, stuff like that can go bad and ruin people's experience with the map, in fact when i saw it i almost thought it was a secret since there wasn't a lot of signposting
overall it's pretty nice, it needs a bit more work though, keep going
@alpine depot did you fix the spawns?
func i'm getting your map soon
balmy jetty
the barrel?
barren terrace
?
balmy jetty
i respect your opinion, but i thought the secrets were perfectly placed in hospital
is that the one you are talking about?
oh you must be talking about a diff one
barren terrace
no thedral
balmy jetty
ah ok havent plauyed that one yet
alpine depot
voila, v2 of v2
barren terrace
great, i'll juss get this one
onyx marten
@barren terrace oh alright i thought u were talking about hospitals cuz i have some questionable barrel placement there aswell lol
onyx marten
sure
barren terrace
as well as aqua's and func's maps
onyx marten
but i think ur criticism applies to both maps, thedral is less close to being finished tho
barren terrace
well i'm bout to find out
k so little help here
do you need the wads to run func_bread's map?
alpine depot
I dont think so
barren terrace
ok
alpine depot
But I dragged them into the root of my custom maps mod folder anyways just to be sure
oh wait it says it in pins, "Custom texture WAD loading is not yet supported"
first pin at the very bottom
barren terrace
oh ok
yeah that's a good thing though
makes loading custom assets fairly easily if they are properly packed into the BSP
summer dagger
yo aqua your level is so pretty dude
barren terrace
ikr
onyx marten
is it possible to somehow add a blood texture on top of another one? transparecy isnt supported yet right?
lament ore
baha I just realized some of the rocks didn't compile right and the geometry broke in the build I sent you guys oops
summer dagger
@onyx marten i dont think so nah
alpine depot
lol I'm really glad everyone likes my map's design
I'm already learning a shit ton about trenchbroom and this is just my first map lol
not to mention half of the stuff we'll be able to do isn't even implemented yet
barren terrace
alright poolboy here's your second round
onyx marten
hit me
barren terrace
1 - right off the bat i like the Trenchbroom modeling, there's liberal use of what seems to be custom assets and the map sets a nice tone pretty early on, though the lack of sound is really apparent in these sections, and for a moody map like this it's kinda necessary, i also think you could've done a bit more in the lighting department, maybe add some darker rooms or mix and match different lights to give everything a more abandoned look
alpine depot
oh fuck I think i accidentally lock the player in the warehouse trying to brute force an unnecessary additional solution to the door problem
summer dagger
ya i think that happened to me
summer dagger
affter getting the red key i couldnt go back to the red door
barren terrace
2 - maybe have some of these empty rooms add up to make a bit of a story, there was a lot of attention and effort put into proper placement o were props go in each room, but it feels kinda bland, i get what you were going for but it needs that extra 20%, maybe something custom would go well here, like a message board full of announcements and some papers for the patients that were here, a lot of possibilities
summer dagger
or maybe im just dumb and you're talking about something else
alpine depot
at least I now know that you cannot toggle a door when its already been closed by another trigger
onyx marten
yup i'd love to be able to put some text onto brushes
alpine depot
same here
barren terrace
3 - the barrels return yes but that's not this map's biggest issue, that has to go to the almost blatant copying and pasting of entire rooms, above that the map really doesn't lead the player well because of that, since so many of the rooms and corridors look the same
4 - i know that the theme of this makes it so only the scientists really fit, but because of all the shotgun use they feel easy
ya gotta work on both of these, they have potential man, just keep pulling through
i have to sleep btw cya all tomorrow
summer dagger
cya dude keep it up
alpine depot
let's start placing bets for what's gonna be in the next SDK update
I bet more trigger implementations
I bet my life savings
onyx marten
@summer dagger no im still here lol
summer dagger
ah lmao
onyx marten
even though i really should hit the bed
alpine depot
its 1am here should I bother with sleep
onyx marten
this mapping shit is addicting
summer dagger
ya that's why i said it cuz i remember you saying you were gonna go
onyx marten
1 am thats rookie numbers
summer dagger
yes it fucking IS dude yesterday i was up till 8 am i think
onyx marten
its fuckin 7 am here whats wrong with me
alpine depot
i always stay up until like 2 lmao
only on weekends because i don't want to be sleep deprived during school
I'm not that insane
alpine depot
thanks, gonna be adding a shit ton more tomorrow and refining some other bits here and there
now that i figured out how to use a door as an elevator things are gonna kick up a notch
god it's so much fun to map, trenchbroom is literally perfect
I finished the warehouse section at midnight and thought it was only 11 until I checked
still raptor
yeah besides the softlock in the warehouse it was really fun
alpine depot
yeah I completely forgot about that
I really dont even need that extra door to shut, everything is already a lot better balanced than before
from 100 enemies to 54 and it feels so much better to play without all that artificial difficulty by spamming enemies, the feedback definitely helped a ton
onyx marten
gn everybody
fringe nymph
derailed is really cool
feels somewhat like grimdark version of half-life
love the level of detail and architecture
alpine depot
Half Life was definitely an inspiration, there's something so cool and eerie about all the facilities in Black Mesa, it's fun trying to replicate that using the various styles you can choose from with Dusk
fringe nymph
feels even better with ambient music on
maybe something more industrial would fit better
graceful hinge
I'm surprised I never asked this. Are the effect sounds meant to be working? o.o
fringe nymph
dat concrete on the left
alpine depot
they love their concrete
fringe nymph
the only miss here (aside the softlock) are buried train wagons
it would work as transition without enemies
alpine depot
well the end section has you waltz through a train stuck in a cave-in full of rats
fringe nymph
and a mage
alpine depot
and two horrors
honest stag
Alright i'm back
Thanks @summer dagger
(For the kind words on church)
I didn't really see if anyone else played it and gave feedback
@lament ore is the map you linked with changed layout from last time?
long anchor
ayee
good mornin'
I didn't really see if anyone else played it and gave feedback
give me the link or jail
honest stag
U played church already dood
honest stag
Nah some people asked for maps
honest stag
uhhh bread so i watched the video and uhm
i think you might be playing an older version???????????????
i'm not sure
like the end level trigger is there???
and there were 2 knights too...
basically i have no clue
but thank you for playing!
dark star
spiral nexus
have any kind of palette file in your mod's root folder
honest stag
also
@alpine depot sorry to ping but i NEED to know
have you decreased the amount of enemies?
short sentinel
@lament ore haha! Your gfs response made my day!
honest stag
Hellscreen dev? is that a first person shooter? if yes i want to know
honest stag
so i kinda made no fucking progress whatsoever for the past day because i was eating pizza and sleeping
rapid crown
so i kinda made no fucking progress whatsoever for the past day because i was eating pizza and sleeping
Priorities though 😄
Is there going to be support for rotating/spinning objects? @ancient depot
barren terrace
maybe
@lament ore i think you didn't pack your textures correctly cause the map has none of them
and the default trenchbroom texture doesn't really work well as a dev texture
short sentinel
@honest stag it me
barren terrace
have you made a map yet?
honest stag
@barren terrace church v2 was finished like 3 days ago yo
Do you want me to link it?
honest stag
but if you cant - no worries
here ya go, i would really like it if you could record it too!
oops messages wrong order
barren terrace
as soon as tomorrow i'm gonna start making feedback videos for maps, would anyone be interested in that?
honest stag
i would love that honestly
i think anyone who makes those maps would very much be interested
honest stag
i really dont like how i made church very good by my own standards - i cant bring myself to make a new map
especially after that gravity flipping map got no one interested lol
it could be way better for sure but now that i made it - i have no goddamn clue what to do
i'm making a "bunker" and it's alright so far but i just look back at church and think "ah fuckin damnit i cant make something that good again"
fringe nymph
why limit yourself to X place
honest stag
i'm just using those as map names :P
church is only a starting room in church.bsp
y'know
bunker doesnt even start in a bunker and wont end in one probably
honest stag
eyyy thank you
barren terrace
i guess it doesn't have an end button/trigger?
honest stag
?????
uhhhh it does
did you jump into the coffin?
it should print a message telling you to do that
seemed to do it for others
maybe missed it?
if the level doesnt end - i MIGHT have sent you a wrong version but that's impossible
barren terrace
hi
nvm
i jumped around for ages and couldn't find a coffin
also your lava pit at the end is leaking
and the trigger hurt doesn't work
honest stag
it's a secret and there's no trigger_hurt
you jump into it and get a secret
a crossbow
can you show the vid?
barren terrace
alright
hold on
just so you know, both the pit at the start and at the butcher section need to be more obvious, they're both hard to see
honest stag
the butcher section?
honest stag
ahhhh i see
you mean the hole?
i'll see what i can do about them
but normally people find it very quickly
honest stag
'ight thank you!
honest stag
alright so im going to ramble for a bit sorry
soo i started making Church a week ago exactly, and in total spent maybe 20 hours on it? 25? something like that
so it's just really really weird to me - i'm tryin to bring myself to make some another map but it just.. isnt working out
and when i think "hm how will this map look in an hour" i have no goddamn clue, no plan whatsoever, let alone a plan for 20 hours ahead
not even for 10 minutes lol
for Church however i had an idea of what will it be for about 3-4 rooms ahead
honest stag
ye i try to but i get SO fixed on small detail work
did you know that the first section of Church was finished 95% of the way through before i even made the cave entrance? :(
barren terrace
play people's maps/dusk's official maps to get inspired
that's normal for starting out mappers
that's why i said, build gameplay first, without any textures, then do that
it helps to have a floor plan so you know what you're building and you get to focus on that
honest stag
it feels very weird to do that because i want a map to make sense, like a real-ish place, even if it's a cult dungeon
barren terrace
to quote ArraySeven "just fucking build the map, you can worry about that stuff later"
honest stag
so like i make the layout but what does the layout mean/connect to the other places on the map
barren terrace
a floor plan can work for that as well, it'll make it feel like a tangible place that exists
honest stag
i'll try doing that for the bunker thing tomorrow, see how it works out
maybe get a pen and paper out, who the hell knows
maybe even look at real world bunker floor plans, see how that works
barren terrace
the layout is your guide for everything, where players go, the order of keys and key cards, where the big fights take place, what each place is
honest stag
thanks for the advice my man
ancient depot
@rapid crown yes, I'll repeat this quote:
The answer to any "is X entity going to be added?" question is usually "yes" if it's from Quake or GoldSrc
The plan is to have full support for all entities from them
honest stag
Alright just to make sure
There is absolutely no way to make a light switch right now?
ancient depot
nope, not until we support light styles
which are one of the harder things to support tbh
honest stag
Dang
ancient depot
well, you could toggle a dynamic light on and off if we add an entity for that
might add light_dynamic from Source
honest stag
I could push a candle into a teleport if that's what you mean 
ancient depot
honest stag
why not youtube tho?
barren terrace
i just rewatched it and i can clearly say that pit is too dark
would take ages to upload
honest stag
also i cant download it???
just says" folder doesnt exist"
damn how long is the video if it's 1gb
honest stag
nope
barren terrace
well shit
verbal peak
you can directly post mp4s here
barren terrace
not if they are 1gb sadly
verbal peak
you have rat rank so that restriction is gone
ooooh
throw it up on a unlisted youtube
honest stag
yeah the map is tiny but the video is huge lol
barren terrace
i had my shadowplay settings on high, hopefully now that i changed to medium it won't make big files like that
well let me try youtube then
honest stag
yeah it'll probably take a bit but nothing too long
barren terrace
Imma play fear while it uploads
ancient depot
I think I'll give the last 3 BSPs that were just posted a try
just before I head to bed
barren terrace
@alpine depot your map is really pretty, the attention to detail was insane, very nice work, i'm guessing you plan to expand on it? with that lift at the end? very nice
honest stag
:O o shit
barren terrace
play derailed it's fun
ancient depot
@honest stag you should turn those hanging bits of meat into func_breakables
ancient depot
start derailed
||"Looks like I've been sidetracked"||
motherfucker lmao
rapid crown
@ancient depot thanks for the reply. I know rotation isn't in vanilla Quake so wasn't sure if you'd be adding ents from source ports or not. Thanks👌
ancient depot
Yeah, we're going for Half-Life tier entity support for the "1.0" release
honest stag
Alright so here's a layout plan, i have no clue how will i make this but now i at least know what to do, this actually helps a lot wow
...man this is gonna take a while lol
onyx marten
is that for church or a new one?
honest stag
new one
onyx marten
is it possible to turn a bunch of brushes into func_detail and put em together? that u can click one of the brushes and it selects all of em?
gritty forge
Yes
gritty forge
Hold Ctrl and click on them to select them
gritty forge
Then right click
fringe nymph
Group
gritty forge
You can also use groups
onyx marten
nice thanks
honest stag
checks used textures to find something
where the FUCK did i use the picture texture what.
haunted game smh
night trail
I mean. It IS vaguely Lovecraftian
honest stag
i literally cant find the object that uses that texture
there arent a lot here
what the fuck is this
oh.
right.
i needed a plain white texture.
huh makes sense i guess
fuckin spooked me for a second though
gritty forge
Lmao
honest stag
so uhhh i tried to make a hazmat suit and uhhhhhhhhhh
this is actually making me laugh
he looks so fucking sad
night trail
teenage boy as a robot for halloween, painting by Vriska
honest stag
fuckin lmao
night trail
I love it
onyx marten
lmao u need to keep it
honest stag
they are multiplying
fringe nymph
if i were to make it fit to the artstyle, it would be made as texture
honest stag
i'm making a sink out of brushes right now even tho there are props
you think i'll use textures to make a hazmat suit
hard pollen
The question is though, is that wheelchair func_breakable.
Nah I'd still take modular meshes over brushes any day.
onyx marten
thx. nah i just like that u can give it ur own touch
spiral nexus
Super wheelchair Duskdude 64
honest stag
backflips included
onyx marten
this game needs a pogostick
hard pollen
A func_breakable pogostick.
onyx marten
nah a pogostick that u can jump through the map with
spiral nexus
I am still trying to think how can I make desert bus in Dusk once func_vehicle is available
onyx marten
i had some problems with func_pushable before but i'll try it
ancient depot
what kinda problems?
honest stag
...func_pushable is a thing?
ancient depot
yeah, it was added before even func_breakable lmao
honest stag
wha
well shit
onyx marten
i made a box pushable and it got stuck on a straight wall or something
rapid crown
@onyx marten that wheelchair is insane dude. Love it 😆
onyx marten
it worked at first but when i placed monsters in there it got stuck on something
lol thx man
rapid crown
Is there currently a central location where all the usermade maps are uploaded?
I want to test the maps I see being posted here, but cba trawling back through chat when I get to my pc
honest stag
ok so i have no fucking clue why isnt it working - the func_door here is NOT going up even tho it should.
it's triggered(or at least supposed to be) by a multi_manager, which is activated by a func_button and connected to another func_door yet that one goes down perfectly????
i'll give the setup of all the elements plz help :(
this is the func_door that doesnt work
multi manager
onyx marten
@rapid crown i dont think so, not sure tho
honest stag
the other func_door that works
i have no goddamn clue why isnt it opening
or moving at least
rapid crown
Hmm. We need a map hub similar to Quaddicted or something
onyx marten
maybe because of the spawnflag?
honest stag
it's a "dont link" spawnflag i added as one of the things that was supposed to get it to work
it didnt work before that so no
and it has no reason to stop because of it either
onyx marten
oh ok no idea what dont link does so..
honest stag
makes sure that touching doors dont act as one platform
and individually instead
p sure
onyx marten
i dunno, i'll try to recreate it but i gotta go for a couple minutes
honest stag
no worries man, i'll spend some time trying to figure it out
this is so weird though god damnit
onyx marten
i'll give it a shot
so i guess u want a small stream type door come out of the faucet and another one to fill the sink right?
ancient depot
you're correct about the Don't Link flag
By default in QBSP (it won't happen in HLBSP), doors that are touching will "link"
Don't Link lets you turn that off
honest stag
Correct my man
barren terrace
Did you get it to work
honest stag
The steam thing works
The fill part isnt and it has no reason not to
Stream*
Hm i have another idea actually
Lemme try
onyx marten
i recreated it and for me both dont work lmao
honest stag
well at least 50% of the things work
alright trying out a new solution
GAMER MOMENT
i need to make it look nicer obviously but HELL FUCKIN YEA
wanna know how i solved this
i just duplicated the fucking working part and changed the size and the angle lol
who needs a prop sink when you have a blood sink am i right
might make the fill part slower actually
so it's gradual and not instant
barren terrace
hey @honest stag https://youtu.be/LUP2Cyd9aa4
honest stag
oh hell yea thanks
barren terrace
finally
honest stag
i'll check it out rn
barren terrace
also i'm back from lunch
i realise i'm a bit of a dumbass since while watching it back i looked at the hole like six times
that's my bad
honest stag
you know what's funny
i made the caution line near the skeleton a func_breakable
but i didnt see ANYONE try and break it yet
also the bar lines are the same
you can also break a bench there
and no one used the vending machine lol
actually func_bread tried but it didnt work for him??
level end trigger didnt either for some reason
onyx marten
anyone got an idea why mobs cant seem to get past the door? also how i can prevent the textures from colliding with that door?
barren terrace
i've seen this a bit, i think some mobs get stuck in doorways that are too small
honest stag
click the door
and tap the arrow key
either outside or inside
it's practically invisible yet textures look perfectly fine
barren terrace
it only seems to happen sometimes and seems to be coreelated to the size of the collision box or the generated nav mesh fucking up
onyx marten
ah ok i did this with all the doors but i didnt wanna do it here since its supposed to be a closet u shouldnt see coming
barren terrace
oh wait
honest stag
like the 0.125 size
onyx marten
and i cant turn the wheelchair into func_pushable for some reason. func_anything really
onyx marten
i'll try it
barren terrace
make sure it's not a func already by turning it back to worldspawn
onyx marten
oh man, i didnt know u could go lower than grid size 1 lol
barren terrace
does parenting work in trenchbroom?
onyx marten
oh yeah thats it, its func detail already
barren terrace
or is that just a hammer thing?
cosmic copper
is it possible to make the gibs for func_breakable anything besides glass?
honest stag
You can make it different yes, you make a property "material" and the value is the material - the supported list is somewhere around here
cosmic copper
ok cool thanks
honest stag
Type "Wood" for that
So like
"Material" = Wood
No quotes, just pointing out that it's a key
onyx marten
cosmic copper
ok that worked thanks
honest stag
Np
honest stag
I did
I'm glad ya revorded them
As much as i want to change things up - if i go back to that map it will suck me in
And i'll struggle to start making progress again
Recorded*
ancient depot
no need the pin that, it's standard information you can get on that entity on the valve wiki
it originates from Half-Life after all
main difference between Half-Life and what we have though is that you can use the material names instead of numbers
but if we have a pin for every little thing like that we'll hit the limit pretty quick, the plan is to set up a developer wiki soon for that stuff
honest stag
A developer wiki wow damn
onyx marten
when compiling my map it says "warning: reached occupant at xyz no filling performed, what does that mean?
barren terrace
there's a limit
damn
leak?
shouldn't matter for dusk unless it's not compiling
onyx marten
alright thx
barren terrace
i don't know how quake compilers notify leaks so
onyx marten
i'd look at the coordinates but i'm to dumb for the "move camera to "function
deft frigate
doesn't a failed compile produce a pointfile? trenchbroom should be able to load that and show u exactly where the leak is
barren terrace
wether or not it creates a pointfile does not necessarily mean there's a leak
also it's worth noting that leaks don't matter unless you're using the .fgd
onyx marten
uh i opened it with tb but its just an empty map and an info box that says "at line 1, colum 1: expected "{", but got decimal (raw data: '624.000000')
im using the .fgd from func_bread
barren terrace
are you getting any visual glitches in game?
like the lights not working properly or props not loading in?
onyx marten
no
barren terrace
then just ignore it
onyx marten
maybe the lights dont work properly and i dont notice but idk. yup
deft oyster
func_detail is used for any brush that doesn't hold the level in right?
sour hollow
Sorry for intruding, but how do you play mods in DUSK?
ancient depot
intruding
I see what you did there
sour hollow
To be more precise, where do you put the folder?
onyx marten
basically, i'd not use it for walls and floors and stuff but basically every small detailed brush
sour hollow
@ancient depot mmm yes
ancient depot
Open up the game's directory, and look for an "SDK" folder
In there, look for "mnt" and then "local"
deft oyster
@onyx marten that's what I thought thanks
ancient depot
Inside that folder, create a new one for your mod
sour hollow
Yeah well the thing is, it isn't there.
ancient depot
Then you don't have the SDK currently
sour hollow
I did the beta branch thing as well.
I can still launch it.
I still have the option to launch the SDK.
sour hollow
hmm
Alright.
I'll report back when I verify.
Nope
verifying files didn't work.
ancient depot
So when you launch the "SDK" option, is there a "Modding" option at the main menu?
onyx marten
is it possible to start the level without a flashlight?
sour hollow
Says Dusk.exe is missing.
ancient depot
Not currently, we should add that in the next patch
@sour hollow Did you purchase Dusk through Steam or get it via a key? I remember when we first put out the SDK something went wrong with that and only people who bought it normally were able to get the SDK
sour hollow
Purchase.
ancient depot
That's even stranger then, hm
You're definitely on the branch if the launch option is there and it's complaining about the .exe
But for some reason Steam hasn't downloaded anything
sour hollow
Yeah.
Maybe because of the Soundtrack update it yeeted the branch but left the option.
ancient depot
Hm, I'll have to defer to @still raptor or @iron needle on this one since I haven't touched the Steam backend stuff before
sour hollow
Alright.
ancient depot
The only other thing I can think of is to completely uninstall the game from Steam and reinstall it with the SDK branch active
ancient depot
Steam being weird I guess
sour hollow
I left it on the exact same branch (dusk_sdk).
god
Thanks Volvo.
Thanks for the help tho.
ancient depot
np
graceful hinge
I'll ask again, are enviro sound effects not working or am I being a derp?
alpine depot
sounds arent implemented yet
graceful hinge
okay thats better than me being a derp
barren terrace
hello
onyx marten
hola
spiral nexus
hello there
wooden pier
Ah, I see David added some maps to the MODDB. Do I have to download the SDK version to run them?
onyx marten
yup
wooden pier
When were do i need to drop map files?
onyx marten
sdk>mnt>local>foldername>maps
and u need the palette.lmp in the local folder
or in the foldername not quite sure
is fire implemented yet?
wooden pier
seems like palette.imp already here
onyx marten
alright, does it work now?
wooden pier
I haven't checked yet. SDK downloading
vivid blaze
does ambient light/sunlight work? no matter what I do it just doesn't seem to work.
ancient depot
If you're using properties like _sunlight it should
because that's done by the light tool, and isn't something we need to (or can) handle
onyx marten
is fire implemented yet?
ancient depot
Like, a placeable fire entity?
I don't think we have a proper one currently, but object_anamoly_fire would probably work
vivid blaze
I am using _sunlight. maps are still black unless i have light entities everywhere
ancient depot
Have you run the light tool on your bsp after compiling it?
vivid blaze
onyx marten
yup. ok ill try that
ancient depot
Hm, should be working then
Maybe the light tool you're using doesn't support _sunlight
wooden pier
@onyx marten everything work fine to me, thank you
onyx marten
@ancient depot object_anomaly_fire is that weird lil volcano type thing
vivid blaze
well, ambient light works now but sunlight is still weird
barren terrace
light_environment should work if you're using the dusk fgd
vivid blaze
that doesn't do much either
it just works the same as a light entity
unless that's what it's supposed to do
graceful hinge
so if i wanna share do i just need to drop the bsp?
graceful hinge
does that include quake's start.wad? cz it uses that
onyx marten
yeah but i guess almost everyone here already has it
fringe nymph
it is possible to do truecolor palette for Q1BSP?
onyx marten
i fucked up
for some reason now a lotta doors in my map behave like func_illusionary even tho they are func_door and the enemy hitboxes seem broken
any idea how tf that happened?
onyx marten
they're not rotating
its really weird they its kinda random if u can clip through doors and hit enemies now
in the run i did now it was only one door that had issues and the enemies were ok again wtf
mortal narwhal
ohhhh boy its coming together
lapis hare
fuck you on with this "to be fair" shit first person platforming is my SHIT
lapis hare
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawdry plank
Yeah, platforming in FPS can be great and dusk fortunately has the movement to support it...
warm badge
so i was working on my map in trenchbroom when my PC decided to crash (crappy old system at this point, not trenchbroom's fault) and when i try to open my map back up i'm greeted with this error " at line 1, column 1: expected '{', but got string (raw data:' " not sure what to do.. and i should probably ask the trenchbroom discord but i figured i'd ask for help in here too
gritty forge
At least with Dusk easier air control it should be a better experience
graceful hinge
Excellent @barren terrace
barren terrace
the fgd really undermines the actual size of duskdude
graceful hinge
It's going to be hard to do legit platformer maps for Dusk
because if a surface isnt dead vertical you can climb it
onyx marten
@warm badge did u try to open the .map or the .pts file?
cuz i had the same message when i opened the pointfile
mortal narwhal
@warm badge check your crash map save, it should be mapname-crash.map
in the same folder
barren terrace
damn dude
i disobeyed the first mapper law to rule them all
now i must be punished for my sins
onyx marten
anyway fuck my map man its all fucked up
barren terrace
why?
warm badge
okay so, crisis somewhat averted.. i just decided to open up an autosave file from only half an hour ago, barely any work is lost
mortal narwhal
theres an autosave feature in tb, but idk if it really works
warm badge
also there doesnt seem to be a crash file?
the autosave feature seems to have saved my ass because i have a folder with like 50 autosaves lol, that and i mash ctrl + s after virtually anything i do
barren terrace
no
mortal narwhal
Well shit, i guess only when tb crashes it makes the backup, not when your pc crashes
onyx marten
i got this bug or something where some doors randomly become illusionary and then goes back to working and sometimes i cant hit enemies
where are the autosaves?
mortal narwhal
the balls
warm badge
i made a folder within my quake mapping folder for now, just called " dusk " and within the dusk folder there, apparently, was an automatically created autosaves folder
barren terrace
turn all doors back to worldspawn and set only one back to door, compile and see what happens
this is fixable
onyx marten
oh got the autosaves
mortal narwhal
there should be a folder called autosave inside where your .map is stored, aka the balls
oh lol
onyx marten
alright i'll try that
but most doors seem to work its just 2-3 that are fucked
lol the balls?
mortal narwhal
do they have weird key/values?
barren terrace
does anyone here who's made an outdoor map know how to properly do sky light?
i'm having trouble figuring it out
barren terrace
i underscaled so much
onyx marten
i'll first try turning the broken doors to worldspawn and see if that fixes that weird hitbox thing
@barren terrace really? doesnt look too bad
faint kindle
so i made a test map to get familiarized with trenchbroom and one of the textures works but the other one doesnt for some reason
barren terrace
time to axe a good hou or so of work
made this thinking i could go through it
and that was supposed to be a small courtyard
mortal narwhal
do you have your lmp file @faint kindle
onyx marten
now they are worldspawn and i still clip through and they act like doors still
faint kindle
yeah i have palette.lmp, where am i supposed to have that file again?
barren terrace
just delete and re add
barren terrace
root mod folder
graceful hinge
So I can't post things cz I'm not a rat yet can I?
mortal narwhal
something like that
faint kindle
mk, yeah i have it like that, but since i placed it, one of the blocks has a texture and the other one doesnt
barren terrace
you can post links
mortal narwhal
i know it poopoo
graceful hinge
Oh hell yeah
mortal narwhal
are you using non-dusk textures?
graceful hinge
DB bsp within
lemme know if there are any obvious technical issues re: compatibility
faint kindle
nope, all textures are from dusk.wad
onyx marten
@graceful hinge i'll give it a go as soon as i've overcome my mental breakdown
graceful hinge
D:
mortal narwhal
playan rn
graceful hinge
Enjoy. First real map using Quake builder. Very much not designed to be a Quake level
proven agate
woaw finally sum maps-to-play!
still raptor
@barren terrace cant you just scale the map up?
onyx marten
i made the doors worldspawn and the enemies are still bugged fuck it imma load an autosave
deft oyster
does it matter which texture I use for the end level trigger brush?
deft oyster
alright cool
barren terrace
@still raptor already fixed for the most part, still how do the sky lights work cause i've been sitting here trying to figure this out and still haven't
graceful hinge
I gave up on utilising sunlight
barren terrace
by the way poolboy if i get the same thing it might just be the fgd
graceful hinge
just set it to 1 and did everything with entities. Probably going to end up in it going nana when an update comes in
barren terrace
man my internet is fucking awful
onyx marten
yeah but i think nobody here had this problem so far. thank god theres autosaves, i only lost like an hour of work
which is kinda managable
graceful hinge
Rough, but better than the whole lot being lost
onyx marten
yeah thank god theres autosaves
im mostly pissed of because i was basically ready to share it and then this shit happened lol
graceful hinge
It'll be worth running it back. That's a nasty punch
mortal narwhal
@graceful hinge Very nice map! I like the pacing and the pickup placements, as well as the aesthetics. I had two problems when playing. 1) enemy encounters in the underground portion and parts of the not-house portion suffer from the door problem https://andrewyoderdesign.blog/2019/08/04/the-door-problem-of-combat-design/ 2) the platforming section is currently impossible, probably because of the scale change that happened a few patches ago. I also got lost after I got the blue key, not knowing where to go next. good map. pic related is the not-house portion
the door problem, i should add, is exemplified by dusk's inability for enemies to walk through doors that have been lowered
at least on the current patch