you dont have to use tb
#dusk-modding
still raptor
proven agate
rly? 0_o
fringe nymph
ye
proven agate
Wow zer 
fringe nymph
anything that suits you and can be properly compiled
hard pollen
Yeah but can I just make the models in a 3D application and then import them into Trenchbroom and do it that way?
ebon jetty
does anyone know of the way to make water animated 
my brain is dying
the water is killing me
fringe nymph
for now you cant irc
still raptor
not yet
hard pollen
Also hi Scott.
still raptor
hi
ivory magnet
How're you coping with no access to an arcade?
still raptor
💀
ebon jetty
heh
proven agate
Soa... if i want to create some entities i must use some of theese hl and quake fgd's? yeah?
iron needle
@ebon jetty not supported YET
it will be
just do func_water and you should be fine for now
alpine depot
what's an fgd lol
ebon jetty
okey dokey
alpine depot
oh they're custom models or something like that?
man i'm such a noob to this stuff lol
hollow laurel
it's basically a definition file for what entities are available along with what properties they can have, what models to display for enemies/items etc
pale pendant
YES! Got Elite Force maps working!
hollow laurel
there's no official fgd for dusk yet, since they're still working on getting entities to work and generally make the basics work
awesome
that is so awesome
DUSK Force when?
pale pendant
ASAP
iron needle
@pale pendant isn't that a raven game?
pale pendant
@iron needle YUP
Runs on Quake 3 engine so all maps and textures work.
Now I wait for skybox and scripting support lol
pale pendant
Nah
sly flicker
func_vehicle couch when
small gate
mfw rolling in temple mystica with the boys on my func_vehicle couch
hard pollen
So um, question. Why is my map all dark and not have textures.
Would've thought the WAD would've compiled with it but I guess not.
small gate
"all dark" sounds like you didnt bake lightmaps
proven agate
Bajs i got it! (i think) There is somewhere i find dusk.wad for TB, This is one is Wad2 (quake) right? and HL using Wad3, right? 0_o
hard pollen
I mean, I placed lights in the scene, the compiler says it should be compiling lights, I'm not sure why it ain't working.
proven agate
Dang it.. can i compile all the dusk texture to wad3 .wad? 
hollow laurel
hmm, out of curiousity, what are the _n textures for?
pale pendant
@hoary juniper Haha thanks! Ever since the DUSK SDK was talked about I wanted to import all the Elite Force maps. Played more Elite Force than Quake 3 back in the day lol
PADKITCHEN
hoary juniper
Same
hard pollen
Okay so I checked the compile logs, turns out it's not finding the textures.
This is, frustrating,
hard pollen
Was already doing that and it didn't work so I tried relative thinking it would fix it.
thorn nova
What is the folder pathing for mods again? For example the path for one of my mods is: "local-jerma death sound-sounds-player-death.flac". Is that the proper folder pathing?
ancient depot
@iron needle Pretty sure only SoF2 & the Jedi Knight games use RBSP
still raptor
wild
pale pendant
If DUSK will allow a soundboard via chat commands my life will be complete lol
hollow laurel
there's something nice about decorating with brushes
iron needle
hotfix is up
iron needle
patch notes coming
hollow laurel
woo
iron needle
mainly linked doors work now and monster rotations should be correct
hollow laurel
ooh, neat
gritty forge
What's in the patch Dave, what's in the patch?!
hollow laurel
f5f5f5
hollow laurel
still something :p
pale pendant
When you say linked doors @iron needle do you mean the doors like in Elite Force where they are 2 halves basically?
Cuz only one side of the door opens at a time in the EF maps lol
hollow laurel
think so, it's also used for the first door in quake iirc
iron needle
correct yeah
those should all work now
OH
forgot something
doors close after a certain amount of time now too
pale pendant
YES
hollow laurel
yay
pale pendant
I was messing with the EF maps and was just about to mention the door bug
And yeah they do close now after a bit! Nice!
Now if only they would open based on proximity like in the og game. hmmmmm
unique ocean
Is there any way of configuring jump pads as of right now?
vivid blaze
@unique ocean You can change the pad strength
unique ocean
what is the value for that in the editor?
unique ocean
thanks
pale pendant
Will stuff like jump pads, ramps, and teleporters all have to be configured manually from pre-existing maps, or will the SDK eventually enable those automatically?
Like if a bsp from Quake 3 has teleportors will I always have to go edit the map to work?
still raptor
@rapid crown im working on that right this second
rapid crown
oh awesome. I also noticed things like light flicker doesnt work
hollow laurel
awesome
since my map has a bit where you fall into a dark place and lights go on before some doors with monsters open up
still raptor
light flicker probably wont be supported for a while
we're just trying to fix the basics right now
hollow laurel
well, that's fair
rapid crown
of course mate
hollow laurel
since can at least get the basic lighting done
also.... how does dusk handle render culling?
still raptor
atm its just frustum culled, because we dont use vis data yet
thats a work in progress
hollow laurel
yeah, just wondering since.... i might've yeeted what i'd made of my second map into the first so they'll just be one big ol' map <_<
but, watching it all at a distance is still 144fps for me so.... 
fluid nimbus
is there really a big necessity for culling in a game like dusk tbh
hollow laurel
guess it depends on how crazy you go with the dynamic light props, and.... overdoing geometry
which at least ericwa's compiler sortof helps with since it limits brushes to 128 sides
still raptor
sure
fiery phoenix
I'm assuming there is no SDK wiki/tutorial yet?
Given it just released I wouldn't be surprised but doesn't hurt to ask
fiery badge
It works with trench bomb apparently so I can use tutorials for that
fiery phoenix
Alright thanks!
I'm not in any rush so I'll probably wait for this so as to not mess everything up and get frustrated
gritty forge
were dusk wiki master @
modest imp
The frustum culling seems to do a good job at keeping things optimized. Would visleaves really be necessary outside of excessively large maps?
still raptor
basically thats what its for yeah
modest imp
Fair enough.
fiery badge
is trench bomb good for beginners?
modest imp
As much as any old school mapping tool, at least.
It's definitely stable and well-made.
fiery badge
it asks what type of game I want to make a map for, like quake, quake 2
fiery badge
yeah, to use dusk textures would I just rename the entites so it would use it when loading ?
hollow laurel
there's a wad with the dusk textures stickied
fiery badge
thanks
hollow laurel
basically, check trenchbroom tutorials on the basics of setting it up and mapping, check the stickies for the basics
and if none of those covers it, just ask away
fiery badge
before I start watching those videos, how would I load up the dusk wad? I tried dragging and dropping it but it just crashed
hollow laurel
you first start up a new map, then check under view that inspector is open, go to the face tab and in the bottom you have texture collections
vivid blaze
have you set the path to Quake's folder?
fiery badge
yeah thats the video in using
rapid crown
ah cool, watch the whole series it's very informative
balmy thorn
@iron needle If a trigger/item’s target is the name of an enemy will the enemy spawn when it’s touched/picked up yet?
honest stag
That shouldn't work
iron needle
is that a thing in Quake?
honest stag
Normally you would trigger a teleport which would teleport someone from a room outside of the map
iron needle
it's not a thing currently
fiery phoenix
So I just setup everything according to the video you guys shared and everything seems to be working fine, but I'm not sure what I need to do to access Dusk entities
honest stag
Create a point entity and name it something from the entity
txt file from the pinned messages
It will be in game like normal
fiery phoenix
got it, thanks!
rapid crown
@honest stag do you just change the name? For instance change monster_army (Quake) to monster_gman (Dusk)... ?
honest stag
Yeah
Also some quake monsters just turn into dusk monsters
honest stag
Anyone dropped any maps while i was sleeping?
balmy thorn
@iron needle Ugh, I keep mixing editors for some reason. Yeah I guess we'd need a monstermaker or a similar entity to make that work 😉
sullen bane
is DUSK SDK windows only?
tropic vapor
I think I'm going to try and re-create a map from UT' 04, I'll just have to port it for duskworld when the sdk supports it
Hopefully that isn't too difficult
rapid crown
oh what map?
rapid crown
ah, well that's an og UT'99 map 😉
tropic vapor
Ye
rapid crown
good map
tropic vapor
Seems simple enough to make for a first map, I've never done any kind of mapping from scratch so I think it'll be fun to learn
rapid crown
@honest stag any idea why my enemies have no skins when i play the map in Dusk? Tried a minute ago and it was fine, then went back and added a couple of enemies and now none have skins?
@tropic vapor well good luck mate
tropic vapor
Thanks!
honest stag
What do you mean "skins"? They don't have textures?
honest stag
Huh never seen that before, no clue actually
rapid crown
hmm
honest stag
Shine a flashlight on them
rapid crown
@still raptor any idea why the enemies wouldn't be showing textures? They were originally, but now they're not. Just a grey scale....
honest stag
That probably sounds stupid lol
honest stag
Oh what the fuck
half dust
That's kind of what my objects look like.
rapid crown
okay so I took them all out and nothing changed
still raptor
if you send me the bsp i can have a look
this will be easier in the future when you have a console that will report errors to you
rapid crown
okay 2 mins, just trying something
tropic vapor
Are most people using trenchbroom for map creation? Or J.A.C.K?
tropic vapor
Gotcha
tropic vapor
Yeah, I've worked with Hammer a bit before, the map took overnight to compile 
But the map was also really bad
and huge
tropic vapor
Is there a format that works best with dusk? or should I just create a new engine profile
honest stag
bsp works just fine
not the source engine bsp's tho
actually i'm a total idiot
dont listen to me i barely know what i'm talking about
alpine depot
i wonder if it'd be good to use both hammer and trenchbroom since trenchbroom doesnt seem to support cool stuff like func_breakable, like bring in the map to hammer and add more advanced stuff that way?
tropic vapor
Gotta have the dusk textures available etc.
alpine depot
i dunno how modifiable trenchbroom is in that regard so lol
honest stag
func_breakable is supported in trenchbroom for dusk tho
alpine depot
i dont see a func_breakable anywhere wha
honest stag
yeah you dont see it because it's a dusk thing
you name a brush func_breakable and it breaks in dusk
not in quake
alpine depot
oh ok thats kinda fuckin neat
honest stag
still need to specify a health amount of course
tropic vapor
Seems like in TB when you specify the game path it has to be a specific folder or not all textures get picked up in the browser
honest stag
you trying to add quake textures or dusk ones?
tropic vapor
Just dusk for now
honest stag
for dusk textures check the pins for a dusk.wad
alpine depot
oh my god how did i just figure out how to texture specific faces of a brush
honest stag
and use that
tropic vapor
Ahh
honest stag
aqua no
do you use the uv editor?
if select one face of a brush you can
alpine depot
i feel like a lot of hammer knowledge can sort of transfer over to trenchbroom, it feels very similar
i just shift-clicked a face n changed a texture that way
in the Face tab of the inspector thingy
honest stag
yeah that thing is great
alpine depot
i didnt expect it to be so powerful it's nuts(.wad)
how many quake units tall is dusk dude? the scale is always so wonky to figure out
i read before it was around 96 units but it doesnt feel very accurate to me
honest stag
Darth Zombie tuesday, 5:25
The new patch will scale down by 32x
...i dont think i understand that correctly
because you know, 32x is kinda a shit ton
tropic vapor
How would I add the wad to trenchbroom? I've tried putting it at the game's root dir so TB can see it but no dice so far. Do I need to unpack it first?
The quake mapping wiki is pretty old, prob for an older version of TB
honest stag
click "face" in the upper right corner
then down below - thexture collections
click add
then select the wad, and then "absolute path"
also i suggest dumptruck_ds's tutrorials on youtube
they are pretty new
tropic vapor
What if add is greyed out?
honest stag
the + thing
tropic vapor
Mine has that split into Available and Enabled sections, I see a plus but they're greyed out 🤔
honest stag
...huh
tropic vapor
I'd send a pic if I could, I'll link one
vivid blaze
are you in the face tab?
tropic vapor
Thats the latest TB build, when I pointed it to the Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\dusk\textures folder it did find textures but only ones in the subfolders
like items/monsters, etc
but not the top level ones
honest stag
i havent updated tb since august lol
vivid blaze
you have to use the wad
tropic vapor
Right, but where do you add it to TB? In preferences you set the game's path, or you can add an engine
tropic vapor
Ah
honest stag
you should be able to do that from the texture collections thing yeah
honest stag
yeah good idea
tropic vapor
Thanks for the help in the meantime
I'll check that guy's channel out for more tutorials
Apparently the Generic engine does not load .wads, only loose textures! So I probably have to pick one of the Quake options to run with
bleak reef
fiery badge
currently having trouble compiling my map
tropic vapor
I'll try to pick quake 1 to work with first
vivid blaze
figuring out how to compile was the worst
honest stag
what tools are you using?
vivid blaze
do you have qbsp.exe?
fiery badge
Im gonna try and copy my dusk folder to the same place where all the stuff is
alpine depot
my func_breakable isnt working wtf
fiery badge
what exactly is qbsp.exe?
honest stag
aqua, did you add a "health" property?
alpine depot
yeah i set it to like, 5
honest stag
and compiling tools?
because someone had issue with those breaking triggers
alpine depot
i forget what it's called but it's the compiling tools from the tutorial
vivid blaze
@fiery badge i got mine from here https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-Tools/tree/master/qutils/BIN
honest stag
ah alright
that's very weird
can you send me the bsp/map file?
i'll try to figure it out
see if it works
fiery badge
thanks
vivid blaze
go ahead and get light.exe while you're at it
vivid blaze
i put mine in Quake > id1 > maps
vivid blaze
this is just my setup, but it works
"export" exports the .map file to the desired location
you first run qbsp.exe. point to the folder it's in
in the parameters, first put the file name of the .map, then the name you want the .bsp to be
fiery badge
Im trying to start qbsp.exe but it keeps immediately closing
vivid blaze
oh, my bad
you don't actually run qbsp on its own
i meant through the compiler
sorry, I'm bad at explaining this
fiery badge
its ok your still a lot of help
fiery phoenix
Seems like I'm correctly setup and I've been having some fun mapping already, but is there a way to change the default light level so I don't have to put light entities everywhere ?
fiery badge
wait I think i know how to get them working
vivid blaze
idk, ambient and sunlight don't seem to work for me
but they're working on fixing some other issues with light, so we'll see
fiery phoenix
Guess I'll have to wait for SDK updates then, no big deal I can still make fun maps this way
vivid blaze
Trenchbroom's
fiery badge
I have compiling gui
honest stag
hey i'll take a screenshot of mine so you can check it
it's necro's right?
fiery badge
believe so
onyx marten
uh i got a dumb question. when does it make sense to make a brush func_detail?
honest stag
same question honestly
google says
"The only purpose of func_detail is to be ignored during the VIS leaf preparation stage of VBSP."
fiery badge
gonna try and use t renchbrooms compiler isntead of the gui one
honest stag
or as someone put it more simply
"removes needless calculations"
but i dont think dusk supports it yet?
onyx marten
alright, not quite sure what to make of that but thanks 😄
rapid crown
it basically ignores the func_detail when building the map, and just calculates teh visible space using the 'hull' of the map
I think
fewer calcs I believe
onyx marten
oh ok, i did create some in a map and they showed up in game. yeah i always saw it as a means of lowering the calcs but i dunno
rapid crown
yeah they still show in game
i'm only kind of learning this stuff myself, but it's something like that
there's a good Quake mapping and Trenchbroom discord where you could probably find out a lot more
iron needle
Careful some of those places despise Dusk
onyx marten
im not really experienced in mapping but tried some cs go mapping in hammer and think i heard that stairs for example should be made func_detail and i just did it but im not sure if it makes sense. yeah maybe ill try there
rapid crown
@iron needle which is actually bloody stupid but yeah
onyx marten
@iron needle why would they
iron needle
Cause it's not Quake and I'm not a Quake modding vet, basically
vivid blaze
lame
honest stag
huh so elitist asses or something
rapid crown
it is lame honestly
iron needle
Very true!
rapid crown
ofc they don't. TB is a great tool in it's own right, just go and see what you can pick up there
vivid blaze
they'd probably be extra mad knowing that we're using quake mapping tools for Dusk levels lmao
rapid crown
As an aside, a word to the wise. Don't be a dumbass like me when you're testing your map in the SDK. If you don't want to see the enemies in Dusk naked, make sure you don't uncheck the Dusk mod :D
iron needle
lol
honest stag
oh so that was the problem? lol
rapid crown
thanks to @still raptor for helping me realise I'm a tit 😄
honest stag
i would be so mad if that happened to me
rapid crown
yeah I totally facepalmed when he asked me if I'd unchecked it
vivid blaze
exactly how do textures like chainlink fences and trees work?
honest stag
they dont right now
no transparency
vivid blaze
ah
honest stag
for q1/hl1 bsps according to zombie
still raptor
transparency will come soon im sure
fiery badge
I feel like im so close
But they just wont compile
let me take a pic and I can show you the erros
errors
honest stag
that really weird
you have all tools, everything checked, and select a .map file to compile?
onyx marten
alright for those who are also not sure on func_details i got this answer
Func_detail make sense on anything that's not going to seal the outer hull of the level or block visibility of a portion of the level. Stairs can make sense. Small detail geometry like a trim piece on a wall that's sticks out 8 units to create a shadow line.
A wall that separates two rooms is something that should probably not be func_detail
plus i didn't blow my cover
iron needle
Ahhhh that makes sense
fiery badge
thorn nova
I'm gonna turn the welder into Mike Stoklasa
fiery badge
this is trenchbrooms compiler
rapid crown
plus i didn't blow my cover
legend LOL
sturdy tide
I'm gonna turn the welder into Mike Stoklasa
the hero we all need but don't deserve
rapid crown
@fiery badge have you tried using Necro's GUI for the compiler? Or do you just want to stay inside TB?
fiery badge
I have tried that as well
rapid crown
okay. Sorry I haven't seen all of your messages, what's the problem?
fiery badge
It wont compile
rapid crown
just not compiling?
rapid crown
this is where I keep my tools... yours are in the id1 folder?
also where do you have TB installed?
this is me
fringe nymph
ppl are not using compiling gui instead they use trenchbroom for that?
rapid crown
all my working .map files are in a QuakeDev > working folder, and they compile into the id1 > maps folder. I then ctrl+v into the SDK maps folder to run in Dusk
fringe nymph
thats weird
rapid crown
@fringe nymph I'm using Necros GUI
fiery badge
I did try using compiling gui and ericw tools but it didnt work
honest stag
have you tried to follow dumptruck's tutorial step by step>
fiery badge
yes
rapid crown
hmm
rapid crown
but Dumptruck uses Necros GUI
honest stag
i'll dop a map file and you try to compile it
drop*
maybe it's an issue with your map i dunno
rapid crown
send me the map @fiery badge ?
fiery badge
wait a set im gonna try to use gui one more time
rapid crown
says you're using dusk and hipnotic
honest stag
oh yeah then that one
i just had a bucnha quake wads with textures
here if you want them
rapid crown
yeah I got them already bro thanks
fiery badge
gonna try to combile crash.map
rapid crown
@honest stag cool map bro 👌
fiery badge
wait a sec
honest stag
ey thanks, it's an old one tho
i uploaded a newer one to the addons section of moddb
rapid crown
lol what's with the forklifts on their side 🙂
graceful hinge
how to keep doors open? 😮
rapid crown
Oh hang on, is that the problem I was reading on here about entities not rotating correctly? I see the lamp posts are the same
graceful hinge
yeah a lot of the props need tweaking. i imagine they'll all be aligned as expected eventually
just involves a bit of tweaking atm
fiery badge
HOLY SHIT
honest stag
also
fiery badge
I am special
fiery badge
The reason it wasnt working was because I put A SPACE in Dusk Dev
graceful hinge
rip
fiery badge
I just renamed it to duskdev and now it works
honest stag
and now all props on old maps are on their side
scarlet fjord
nice
fiery badge
big brain
graceful hinge
yeah i spent some time flipping the lamps around lol
honest stag
i think i can fixing it by just selecting everything and removing the "euler" property altogether
fix*
rapid crown
@fiery badge I saw you had it as 2 seperate words... should've realised
fiery badge
welp
onyx marten
all this random rotating of entities really messes with me
rapid crown
shit happens bro, least it's fixed 🙂
honest stag
welp you dont need to anymore!
rapid crown
@honest stag what's euler?
graceful hinge
well some of them are still in odd positions, one of the light fixtures is now different, but upside down instead? 🤔
ya the steady updates is reassuring. They'll handle it~
gritty forge
Trying to get JACK set up, I've got everything working except for textures showing up in editor. Anyone know how to do that?
JACK seems to want a .pal file instead of a .lmp
honest stag
euler is a value used to rotating props/dusk enemies because "angle" doesnt work for them
and for the first few builds all dusk entities were on their side so "euler" was added and we had to rotate them manually
oh my god i have to go back and remove it cuz now everything is on the side
shit
rapid crown
ah right, so we can use angle now?
honest stag
no you still use euler, you just dont have to use it all the time for all props because they spawn standing correctly
euler needs an "x y z" amount, so for example to rotate props upright we had to use "0 90 0" most of the time
rapid crown
gonna sound stupid, but where/how do i use euler? Do I add it to the entity key/valueus?
or is it this box.... ?
rapid crown
yeah, here?
honest stag
yep
just make sure you only add it to entities
rapid crown
ok cool. thanks. I'll try to remember that
@gritty forge I have a quake1palette.pal file if you'd like it?
gritty forge
I have one already, thanks. But it doesn't seem to work when I add it to JACK.
rapid crown
oh okay. I know zero about JACK so can't help I'm afraid
honest stag
hm? you dont need to add it to jack
it's a file you drop in your mod folder
or am i wrong here and you mean something else
lament ore
@honest stag my map has a skybox remember? it works fine lul
honest stag
you mean the default skybox or
oh also didnt you ask me for something yesterday? i forgot sorry
rapid crown
@gritty forge do you not need to just add the .wad to jack? Or does it require the .pal as well?
honest stag
oh yeah right your bsp
lament ore
screenshot of your Necro gui
honest stag
ah oh
gritty forge
honest stag
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586508960128040961/664608615109361665/0HnPkS1a.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586508960128040961/664608685695303682/127CMCkC.png
onyx marten
ah yes another question, do other skyboxes than the default one work?
honest stag
nope
graceful hinge
not yet
rapid crown
have you tried using the .Imp @gritty forge ?
graceful hinge
custom are planned
lament ore
@gritty forge the dusk wad doesn't work properly in JACK because it's a Quake format WAD2 file whereas JACK is intended for Half-Life and expects Half-Life WAD3 files
gritty forge
Ah, I see
lament ore
It's been decided in the future that dusk.wad will be WAD3, but for right now your options are to use a different wad, or extract the wad and make your own WAD3 using either HLTextureTools or Wally
I'll be doing that myself when I get around to texturing my map
gritty forge
Cool, thanks.
honest stag
also
lament ore
Here's a huge collection of distributable WAD3 wads you can use if you don't want to mess around with Dusk.wad
http://scmapdb.com/textures
honest stag
zombie made a MakeWad program which just takes a folder with png files and well makes a wad
check pinned
lament ore
yes but it makes a WAD2 file so that doesn't do him any good
honest stag
ahhh damn
lament ore
itll be updated to make WAD3 when zombie gets around to it
rapid crown
you can also use TexMex to make wads
lament ore
HLTextureTools is essentially the same though, you can just plop a bunch of PNGs into it and it'll generate a WAD3
never used TexMex but if it supports WAD3 that'll work too
rapid crown
never used that before, will give it a bash
lament ore
Wally is the famous one but it's old and clunky imo
rapid crown
very clunky lol
alpine depot
wow ok holy shit trenchbroom is a lot more advanced than i thought what the fuck
i mean that in a good way
didn't know you could do so much with it
lament ore
yeah no tb has some cool-ass features. but it's also missing fundamental stuff like.....cylinders. and every other none-block shape
this is the """"easy"""" way to make cylinders in TB
graceful hinge
it works lol
rapid crown
lol
graceful hinge
true, not super efficient
lament ore
in JACK you just change your brush shape from block to cylinder and pick how many faces you want
graceful hinge
ooo
lament ore
glhf if you want to make a dome. not sure that's even possible in TB atm
in JACK just pick sphere and cut it in half
scarlet fjord
see I'd be dumb and still try doing it
rapid crown
lament ore
tb has the cool drawing feature that can be nice more making roads and shit like that though
lament ore
I have a placeholder custom fgd people have been using
scarlet fjord
that's witchcraft sixsik
rapid crown
@scarlet fjord it is, but it's not me lol
lament ore
it's hacky is what it is
scarlet fjord
yeye, just replying directly
lament ore
when you have to rotate a bunch of blocks and merge them together to get a cylinder your map editor is probably missing some features
and like I said glhf making a sphere that way
rapid crown
oh yeah for sure, just showing that it may be hacky but it can be done
fiery badge
I just wanna make them monsters and place them regular shotguns man
gritty forge
I ran MakeWad and I still have the same problem with the new one 😦
lament ore
you'd probably have to rotate a bunch of blocks to make an arch and then merge that and then rotate a bunch of arches and then merge that to make a sphere
toxic forge
the dusk wad doesn't work properly in JACK because it's a Quake format WAD2 file whereas JACK is intended for Half-Life and expects Half-Life WAD3 files
JACK can use quake wads with no problem. I mapped a lot in JACK for Quake. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/179415084211199460/0B2409EE62E287A63A73B931F9FEE5F418379B82/
lament ore
@gritty forge did you miss the part where I said MakeWad generates WAD2 files
scarlet fjord
my rule of thumb is the destination if anything. I mean, granted ease of acess and pregen brushed will help out no sweat, but that's not going to stop people doing it the hard way.
lament ore
@toxic forge how do you get it to work? For me in JACK they all show up as grayscale. Couple other people confirmed the same. Is there a pal file to use somewhere?
rapid crown
@lament ore that tweet i posted shows him making a sphere
scarlet fjord
besides, if the result is fun then it don't matter me none!
lament ore
I've been considering using JACK and TB in conjunction but we'll see
rapid crown
I've never used jack, does it use primitives?
lament ore
have you ever used Hammer
rapid crown
nope
rapid crown
just TB and U Ed
rapid crown
neat
lament ore
it also has -almost- all of the tools TB has with the exception of that drawing+extruding tool
and also the direct UV editor, but I don't think HLBSP would support that anyway
honest stag
Drawing is so cool for making fucked shapes
I aldo used it to make a nice coffin lid
lament ore
You can still do it in Jack, you'd just clip the edges of a brush into the shape you want
but the drawing method is faster yea
Jack also has the vertex editor so for a coffin lid you'd just pull the vertices of the top in
honest stag
Well tb has that too tho
But i dont really like using it tbh
Waut jack doesn't have a UV editor?
Hiw do you guys work with textures
honest stag
Ah i see
lament ore
Keep in mind TB is a recent edition to the roster whereas JACK is descended from Hammer which is descended from Worldcraft, and Worldcraft is from a time where Quake was still new
honest stag
I thought tb was old, just updated
Not actual info, just what i thought
lament ore
I mean are we talking like 1996/1997 old or are we talking like a couple years old lol
tropic vapor
Alright step one, tryin to launch a rectangle map in the sdk!
toxic forge
I just select Quake profile, add wads and done. Dusk WAD works flawlessly: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/86434948562550784/664625922833514496/unknown.png
toxic forge
also JACK can extract wads from maps
fringe nymph
i see dusk entities is still not here
tropic vapor
Can Dusk open .map or does it need to be formatted differently? like as a .bsp
lament ore
placeholder fgd to use
fringe nymph
@lament ore aye thanks
lament ore
it needs to be bsp
tropic vapor
Ok
fringe nymph
any supported bsp
lament ore
you need a bsp compiler toolset like zhlt or ericw's tools
tropic vapor
Then the result gets placed in my mod's maps folder right?
tropic vapor
Is it easier to launch the map from TB? or just open the map once the SDK launches
I'm assuming it needs a parameter or two to open the map straight away
honest stag
Waddya mean launch from tb?
To play it?
tropic vapor
Yes
solid isle
Just leave the game/sdk open
tropic vapor
Ahh
solid isle
you can "hot load" by just reloading the map every time it compiles
honest stag
Yeah you dont even have to leave the level when you replace the bsp with a new one
solid isle
oh?
tropic vapor
Nice
solid isle
Plus the game takes so long to start up that it would be a waste of time
tropic vapor
So once I save changes in TB I just run QBSP and its good to go? No compiling within TB
*open the .map with qbsp
honest stag
Qbsp is not the only tool you'll need btw
lament ore
QBSP, VIS, then LIGHT
tropic vapor
Ah, I should set those up to run in a sequence with TB then
lament ore
in theory not running light should give you a fullbright map but I've had trouble with that >:y
yes
solid isle
DUSK just doesn't load light period yeah?
honest stag
It does
It's just fucky
solid isle
oh
honest stag
Causes really bad shadows a lot of the time
solid isle
in... fullbright?
lament ore
@honest stag I'll try with the soft option when I get home, that's the only difference between your compile settings and mine
solid isle
Oh, I mean without lighting.
honest stag
Ah
solid isle
Is it just pitch black instead of fullbright?
lament ore
if you're not having an issue currently dw about it. It's probably exclusive to me
solid isle
I'm just curious lmao
toxic forge
I guess VIS is redundant at the moment, also consumes a lot of time
solid isle
I think vis helps to "nodraw" unseen faces
toxic forge
especially when you don't use func_detail
solid isle
unless that's handled by BSP
toxic forge
from what I understand it's not implemented in Dusk (and probably will never be)
toxic forge
because dusk is only dumping BSP tris and textures, it's not using BSP afaik
maybe I'm wrong
@ancient depot is PVS (VIS) implemented?
ancient depot
The VIS isn't in yet since it's, well, rather complicated to get going in Unity
toxic forge
here you go
solid isle
oof
ancient depot
All of Unity's occlusion culling functionality is designed to be used at edit-time, and while there are components you can set up at runtime they don't actually do anything without any baked occlusion data
So we have to roll our own
honest stag
So i can just skip it while compiling?
ancient depot
For now
toxic forge
what you get in Dusk is bsp geo dump, it's not using bsp tree perse, so vising your map is waste of time
honest stag
Ight then thank you
tropic vapor
Ooo I might've gotten things to work
Vis and Light I didn't need to pass any parameters into (I might later, threads etc). I'm sure there are options for both I should be doing
For now I'll see if I can make a box and run that
solid isle
Imagine having to set up a compiler sequence-- JACK gang where u at 😎
rapid crown
does anyone know how you scale in TB?
solid isle
I just like joking about it. People give JACK shit because it's Hammer but stable, and people like to meme on Hammer.
tropic vapor
Man I'm dumb with the 3d editor trying to connect simple shapes 
fiery phoenix
What's the "lip" key in func_door for ?
solid isle
if you want your door to poke out a little bit, or if you perhaps put an "edge" on your door
ancient depot
It decreases the amount of movement the door makes
solid isle
so it doesnt go into the wall
ancient depot
Negative values will increase it
solid isle
Doors currently move the same distance as their size
ancient depot
It defaults to 8 in Quake, and 0 in Half-Life (needs confirmation)
fiery phoenix
Also my doors keep opening themselves after some time and I don't know why
ancient depot
Although I don't think the current patch sets the defaults
solid isle
I think it's 0 for Quake (atm)
all of my stuff goes perfectly into the wall
unless it's different in Quake than in DUSK
fiery phoenix
man the door texture is higher than I remember
tropic vapor
Well the map runs! but I think I need to add light somewhere
fiery badge
Im having some fun so far with my map
vivid blaze
@rapid crown the scale tool
pull on a corner to scale the whole thing proportionally
fiery badge
but i think im gonna have trouble when i have to make an end to it, or have to make a door
rapid crown
yeah turns out I'm running an old version of TB lmao
tropic vapor
Is there a reason why there is no .prt file along with the map?
rapid crown
thanks @vivid blaze
tropic vapor
Vis doesn't happen since its missing
thorn nova
Dude this mod is fucking funny
tropic vapor
Maybe its because I have void space, I remember that being an issue when using Hammer
lament ore
Ok so if you change the map type from Half-Life to Quake in the configuration settings for JACK it'll let you select the quake.pal file
Reload JACK and the colors will show up properly after that
tropic vapor
Me?
thorn nova
This Mike Stoklasa mod is almost perfect
tropic vapor
Well I might need to fix how my map is being compiled, I did it manually and everything worked fine, except the brushes sticking.
Light showed up which was good
fiery badge
door question
tropic vapor
Could also have been because I ran light before vis lol
onyx marten
@fiery badge basically make a brush and make it a brush entity called func_door
fiery badge
hmm
onyx marten
but i got a problem with doors, they only seem to work right when they face one axis, when they face the other they just move a tiny amount in the wrong direction. can anyone tell me how to fix this?
fiery badge
The door only moves forward a bit and not out of the way, doesnt go up
how do I make it go up?
lapis hare
threaten it
rapid crown
Is fog implemented in the SDK?
thorn nova
texture modding is so much fun
alpine depot
im so proud of this
honest stag
eyyy love how that looks
fringe nymph
dat look good
thorn nova
half life train level vibes
alpine depot
On a Rail in dusk confirmed??
i want to have a cool guardian chase sequence or something, like he smashes through a wall and shit
faint summit
honest stag
a trigger_once killtarget on func_breakable might do the trick probably
damn that's a good idea i should try it
alpine depot
func_train exists too so maybe you fucking blow a locomotive into it
unless you want to sickle him to death lol
honest stag
lol
alpine depot
man i have so many ideas right now i'm so excited to start implementing them
honest stag
That's why i want the ability to strip the player from weapons
alpine depot
maybe there's a way to make him invincible or something
honest stag
probably not, but dusk supports text on buttons and doors now doesnt it
so you can say like "RUN" to the player
alpine depot
"if you sickle him to death i'll ban you from my duskcraft server"
honest stag
hahaha that works better
alpine depot
wait how do you do transparent texture stuff in TB
i want to add some proper graffiti
honest stag
dont work yet
alpine depot
shiiiiit
fiery phoenix
transparent isn't working yet but it's coming
rapid crown
@fiery badge have you played with the angle and spawn flags of your door?
This video might help https://youtu.be/n8Ha5LHsRZI
fiery badge
spawn flags?
honest stag
click on spawn flags and they you can see the different things you can do with it
then*
thorn nova
CJ!
honest stag
yeah lighting is borked now
fiery badge
Goddamnit the entire menu for the door and stuff was too small to see
WHy must you hate me trench
rapid crown
@alpine depot that map is looking good 👌
alpine depot
thanks 👌
rapid crown
Btw they're close to having a fix for the lighting
iron needle
Yup Zombie and Scott are in the process of fixing it
alpine depot
awesome
rapid crown
Ta da! Lol
iron needle
it's actually much much improved on the internal project. Almost perfect. Still some kinks to work out before we can patch it though
alpine depot
can you get textures to scroll to simulate a train moving?
i want a separate level where the player starts murdering a military train
Beneath the Altar's buildup bit sounds like it'd go perfectly for some sort of simulated vehicle movement level
like the level in blood
rapid crown
I actually quite like the way the lighting goes from on to completely off with no falloff. The harsh contrast works well in some areas imo
fiery badge
What angle would I set the door if i want it to go straight down?
ancient depot
I can confirm that we have lighting perfect except for areas that use light styles
Still investigating what to do about that for the meantime
thorn nova
yo guys, I'm making the wendigo look like Michael from Faith, should I make the antlers black or white?
solid isle
light styles...?
honest stag
oh god that's cool
rapid crown
@solid isle assuming flicker etc
honest stag
also black antlers
rapid crown
Doesn't work atm
honest stag
because unusual
solid isle
yeah okay that makes sense
rapid crown
@ancient depot does fog work in the sdk?
ancient depot
not currently
rapid crown
But it will at some point?
ancient depot
That's the plan
rapid crown
Sweet ty
honest stag
so uhh i probably posted this but i kinda need your help here
this is just for testing - if you can, could you try this out and preferably record the "gameplay"? the map is like 25 seconds long but i really need to check if the player knows what to do
rapid crown
I'd play but I'm in bed
onyx marten
@honest stag imma check it out right now
onyx marten
yeah i dont have any recording software
unborn nimbus
If you can wait a few, I'll record one
onyx marten
imma try to give a detailed description
honest stag
that would be great thank you
rapid crown
Can you record demos in dusk, a la Quake?
honest stag
nope
rapid crown
Okay
@onyx marten have you tried bandicam for recording? think they do a free version
onyx marten
i never had the need to record anything so i dunno.
fringe nymph
@ancient depot whats in the new update if i can ask
ancient depot
uh stuff, I forget lol
honest stag
bruh
ancient depot
I write up the changelogs by looking at all of the git commits
fringe nymph
bruh
ancient depot
but I know one of them is that we fixed doors using angles
which is a goldsrc thing we didn't yet support
so now the garage door on cs_office for example works
onyx marten
@honest stag i played it and i dont know what ur focussing on with the testing but i saw ur video on from a couple days ago
fringe nymph
so still i have to wait for the lights
ancient depot
dunno yet
honest stag
oh so you saw how the thing works then?
onyx marten
yeah
honest stag
damn
thank you anyway though!
lament ore
Also, for Jack: if you load the Quake.pal palette file and then switch back to the Half-Life map format, the quake palette will remain loaded even though the option is greyed out
onyx marten
lol np
lament ore
@honest stag I will try ur map
honest stag
it's the same one i linked in the video a day before btw
i just wanna see what will a new player do
but hey if you want to waste 20-30 seconds be my guest 
fiery badge
thank
tropic vapor
Ayy, so if none of my textures are showing in-game (using TD), whats the steps to figure out why?
honest stag
you need a palette file in your mod folder
tropic vapor
Theyre lit which is nice, but the grey checkered pattern
honest stag
but outside of the maps folder
tropic vapor
ohh
honest stag
lemme drop it for ya
tropic vapor
Thank you
honest stag
alpine depot
who put this cave-in here?!
fiery badge
how are you so good
honest stag
oh hey that cave-in looks great
fiery badge
you using trench broom?
tropic vapor
Will I need a pallate for each game's textures I want to use?
fiery badge
maybe someday ill be this good
honest stag
no clue, this is just for quake
honest stag
nope
tropic vapor
Atm I'm only using Dusk textures
alpine depot
but how should i continue this way?
ooh wait i know
it'll curve around the corner to like, a giant warehouse section
tropic vapor
The pallate file is at the mod's root folder, but the textures didnt show still
alpine depot
and the player gets ambushed by the military
alpine depot
yes
honest stag
that's weird cap
honest stag
yeah that should be working
tropic vapor
Hmm
they show in TD just fine, in the 3D view
Ohhh
I got it, I just had to recompile it
working now : D
torpid agate
How do I turn off the wait option on doors? Do I just delete that property?
tropic vapor
I'd love to figure out the skybox next before moving on to making the layout
fresh pivot
-1 if you want it to stay open
honest stag
skyboxes donr work yet sadly
torpid agate
Ty.
rapid crown
🍆
tropic vapor
What was wrong?
honest stag
YESSS
tropic vapor
but sweet :D
ancient depot
Hard to explain
honest stag
everything
tropic vapor
Gotcha
rapid crown
When's the patch?
tropic vapor
Time to listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_0G6WPuss4 on repeat while I map
rapid crown
The UT99 soundtrack is still one of the best
tropic vapor
Figuring out how to scale the map will be interesting, I might have to make dummy towers and put them on each end first
onyx marten
is it an unpopular opinion to say that i like ut2004s better?
tropic vapor
I never got to play '99
onyx marten
yeah maybe, nostalgia ya know
tropic vapor
04 was my first
onyx marten
yeah i grew up on 03/04 and played 99 like 2 years ago and now i dont know which is better
lament ore
@honest stag it's processing but check back when it's done https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3lvwVI_mfI
honest stag
3 minutes?
honest stag
oh my god i didnt even know the tables are fucked because of a patch lol
thank you
man the whole gravity flipping thing is really not noticeable is it
ancient depot
@alpine depot Can you send me the BSP?
I'll test it and let you know if it's fixed in the current dev build
We made some changes to doors
alpine depot
alright
honest stag
some changes to doors?
dont tell me that right as i'm making a complicated doo
r
what kind of changes?
ancient depot
fixes
onyx marten
do u need to have a role or something to upload a file to this channel?
fringe nymph
ye
fringe nymph
(im just amused how it falls apart this way if you load unsupported maps)
gritty forge
@alpine depot that's looking good.
The cave in especially, great environmental piece
honest stag
oh my god this shitty ass ass door can eat my ass i cant get it to work
so basically, can i make one trigger do multiple things by selecting several targetnames? if so, how do i do it
tame pebble
"this shitty ass ass door can eat my ass"
fringe nymph
this shitty ass ass door can eat my ass
scarlet fjord
Vri "this shitty ass ass door can eat my ass"ska
tall zenith
what were they thinking?!
honest stag
correct
jolly elk
Is Trenchbroom the thing I have to download to create maps ?
scarlet fjord
Yup!
jolly elk
Thanks
jolly elk
Good to know
honest stag
trigger_multiple isnt for triggering multiple things, it's for triggering multiple times?
scarlet fjord
oh lawdy
fringe nymph
you fixed the lightning?
still raptor
much of the lighting has been fixed yes
scarlet fjord
Also that looks SLICK!
fringe nymph
thats great
still raptor
be warned that light STYLES are still not fully functional
however NORMAL lights should work just fine
still raptor
zomb found it
fringe nymph
when hotfix is expected?
still raptor
turns out it was a combo of rounding error and light styles being fucked
should be tonight
fringe nymph
cool
scarlet fjord
sweet :o
honest stag
guys plz help how can i make a trigger trigger multiple target names :(
do i just separate them with ";"?
still raptor
just as a comparison