so in your mod folder I guess
#dusk-modding
gritty forge
pearl fox
You can find some basic instructions on how to load maps in the pins
cosmic copper
is it possible to color the door indicator texture?
pearl fox
For a mod to show up in-game, create a new folder in DUSK/SDK/mnt/local, then create another folder within it called "maps". Put your bsp(s) in there. For Quake maps to load with textures, add the palette.lmp in your mod folder, so basically next to your "maps" folder
gritty forge
Alright, I think I'm giving up on trying to figure how to set up this editor.
summer dagger
saame dude
torpid agate
This boi taught me everything I know. Watch his videos if you’re lost.
That’s just for making the quake maps.
summer dagger
im trynna use jack tho, really dont wanna learn trenchbroom
gritty forge
My main issue is that I don't own the original Quake, so I'm kind of screwed.
torpid agate
Ye you need Quake.
fluid nimbus
or wait for the dusk profile
whenever that comes
quake is super cheap during sales tho
and it's like 5 bucks now by default
torpid agate
Trenchbroom is pretty easy to learn. Just a little limited.
fluid nimbus
looking forward to not having to use 50 different tools to use textures, and not be limited to color palettes
I just wanna draw textures, yeet them in trenchbroom and use them
summer dagger
ill probably just wait until its all easier
craggy frigate
well, i got quake maps to load, nevermind that they dont have textures and the buttons dont work
xd
craggy frigate
so should it be in textures or local?
gritty forge
mine is in Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\dusk
craggy frigate
k
pearl fox
Wait, is this button supposed to be there in ogre citadel?
regal dome
No
pearl fox
craggy frigate
ogre citadel more like scarecrow citadel
torpid agate
That looks really nice
cosmic copper
thanks!
hoary juniper
Thats a really cool room
weak vessel
👍
sharp trail
Awesome
vestal hare
are the UV map textures in the sdk?
mortal narwhal
Do we have a .fgd or .def for dusk entities in trenchbroom?
sharp trail
Map
mortal narwhal
map
gritty forge
.map
mortal narwhal
map.map
crystal lily
Is there going be entities, like logic_timer, and math_counter?
I remember using math_counter to have a door open when x number of baddies were killed. Ex: 5 = door open, starts at 0 values, each baddie killed =1
unique ocean
are lights still broke?
unique ocean
Does anyone know how to stop my old brushes from being changed when clicked after editing a new one? Im tired of trying to make a hurt trigger then applying that to a brush meant for environment
graceful hinge
how to get jump_pad (and other props) to sit up straight? :v
mortal narwhal
@unique ocean are you talking about textures being changed?
onyx marten
how do i get all the entities listed in the entities.txt? in trenchbroom i only got like 70
cosmic copper
@onyx marten You cant get them to show up in the editor yet. Right now you have to just place any entity down and change its classname to what you want.
onyx marten
alright imma try that, thanks!
summer dagger
does anyone have that precious .wad file
onyx marten
its pinned
onyx marten
np
unique ocean
@mortal narwhal Classnames are changed to a different type when clicked on after working on a different type
I'll try working on a door per say and then click on a worldspawn brush and it changes to a door
lament ore
@ancient depot HLTextureTools exists for WAD3 and it's a really superb tool; I don't think there's anything really to improve upon it
I used it to make my Gunman Chronicles upscale mod
Also for anyone looking for that placehold fgd I made - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l3jG7G1KJ9qmw8I2hnDLmYJAnQ2lB2zr
@onyx marten @cosmic copper my placeholder fgd will let you place the entities from entities.txt with placeholder quake models
I didn't add any of the set dressing stuff though since placeholder models aren't very useful for positioning decorations
cosmic copper
looks cool, Thanks!
mortal narwhal
How do I make ladders work?
lament ore
In theory you just need to make a brush in front of the ladder and tie it to func_ladder
but I don't think func_ladder is supported yet
lament ore
It might've been added since I last checked so yeah give it a try
unique ocean
McClone do you know how to fix what I described?
mortal narwhal
Oh no, sorry. I thought you were talking about textures being copied over
that sounds annoying though
also thanks for the .fgd @lament ore
@unique ocean you could ask in the quake mapping discord though
they are all about trenchbroom
unique ocean
I think I found PART of the problem
I can lock the type of classname by clicking "make Structural"
iron needle
@cosmic copper wooooow that looks cool
honest stag
i'm starting to realise that churces are kind of a good place to make look nice
you just keep adding fancy stuff and it just... fits
vivid blaze
This is probably gonna sound stupid, but where can I find qbsp.exe? I was under the assumption that it was in Quake's folder somewhere, but I can't seem to find it.
fierce lava
You gotta download it yourself and then put it into Trenchbroom
vivid blaze
ohhhhhhhh got it. Thanks.
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/3Zl2VDBG.png
should i keep mr. skelebones in the church or move him down in the cave
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/6qPBHXZt.png
because he probably fits more in the cave but i'm not sure
modest imp
If you put him in the cave, does that make him a spooky spelunker?
Because if so, that's got my vote.
iron needle
I vote cave personally
skeleton = vibes of abandonment, decay, isolation, etc. Detail that would give the cave a bit of a more remote feel than the church
unique ocean
Anyone know how to make lava glow?
iron needle
especially if you have other details like broken sthings etc
honest stag
yeah figured that much
like the guy tried to escape but NO ONE escapes the church
alpine depot
lol im replacing the cultist sounds with blood cultist quotes
and the scarecrows now say "what up mothershuckers"
oh yeah and the rats have the "oh shit a rat" quote from that video
iron needle
@honest stag yeah good thought. It'll especially help sell the idea if the church looks like it's relatively actively maintained and populated and the mines are like... dark and abandoned and clearly not something many people go in
@alpine depot lol
alpine depot
i already made nyarlathotep an anime girl so why not make it a crossover episode while im at it
unique ocean
You made Nyarlathotep and anime girl and not the tentacle monster
missed opportunity
tight fractal
alpine depot
bruh
honest stag
you know what would be cool to add when scripting is a thing
for the player to be a light source like a candle but without the flashlight
like you're carrying a lantern
no need to poke around in the dark but it's still creepy
it really does look better
iron needle
yeah that's not a bad idea
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/Lt7WWJLt.png
I love making textures connect right
it kinda sucks to do but the result is too nice
ebon jetty
has the sdk been updated yet
honest stag
afaik - nope
scarlet fjord
Played around with Trenchbroom, getting used to the progra- ah, can't show off my bridge.
modest imp
Adjusting to Trenchbroom after years of Hammer is weird. But also kind of fun.
honest stag
i fixed that already, it's because i copied this from the opposite side where this small cut is needed to not poke through another wall
modest imp
Getting some weird lighting artifacts, but I doubt Dusk has anything to do with it.
iron needle
we're looking at releasing a patch either tonight or tomorrow
@modest imp there are some lighting issues atm that will be fixed soon
honest stag
oh hell yea
what does it include aside from buttons
iron needle
could be that
modest imp
Oh wait, there are? That'd explain things, I guess. 👀
solid isle
David your color downgraded from Big John to Fork Maiden
iron needle
@honest stag wad support, buttons, whole slew of small fixes and improvements, rudimentary func_breakable implementation, so far
@solid isle lol I see that
honest stag
func_breakable
time to make those windows break
scarlet fjord
Just had a thought, would these maps work with those rings that change gravity?
iron needle
yeah. Unsure if it'll support stuff like different types of gibs etc in this patch but we'll see
solid isle
Anyway, hate to constantly ask about missing features, but anything on skyboxes, and maybe the random broken door bug?
iron needle
oh, and trigger_once also
modest imp
Behold, the mysterious black blotch! Beware, the terrible triangles in the distance! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/387797921422114819/663585896498724876/unknown.png
iron needle
@solid isle which is the door bug?
@modest imp yeah that might be Dusk. We're gonna fix lightmaps soon don't worry :)
modest imp
👏
solid isle
uhhh, some doors move directly back instead of the direction you set
iron needle
unsure about that bug
hard pollen
Are physboxes a possibility?
iron needle
I'm gonna talk to Zombie about skyboxes when he wakes up probably
solid isle
oh okay cool
hard pollen
I wanna make one of those Source Engine destructible levels for some reason.
iron needle
I agree it's really disappointing to see just like... nothing when you load into maps lol
@hard pollen I thiiiink?
solid isle
Zombie did say something about the doors to me last night, just wanted to see if you knew or not
iron needle
problem is Zombie and I live on opposite sides of the world so we aren't usually awake at the same time
unless I stay up late
solid isle
also bless those lightmap fixes 🙏
honest stag
my bootleg lighting is going to be broken 100% lol
damnit
at least i can make it proper
i might be using too much candles BUT THEY LOOK SO NICE
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/M60SYVhy.png
it's the best light source for me right now lol
scarlet fjord
Nicely done!
modest imp
I really love using unorthodox light sources when I make stuff. Screens on TVs and monitors, blinking lights on racks of servers, maintenance and emergency lights behind gated-off service holes, that sort of stuff.
iron needle
At some point I might add a "realtime light" entity or something
modest imp
inb4 someone makes a map that only uses realtime lights and tanks everyone's frame rate
honest stag
...i think my entire level is going to be lit by candles aside from the first section
scarlet fjord
I read with a tank
hard pollen
I'm pretty sure David never wants to deal with lightmaps again after DUSK.
modest imp
I can't wait for DUSK 3 to introduce full real-time lighting and shadow effects, and completely dispose of any baked lighting whatsoever.
🥴
honest stag
i only have a shitty laptlop and my map is already overloading it
and i'm about to add like 10 more rooms with realtime lights
weak vessel
Ok
tame pebble
weak vessel
I found some sounds that I can give to yall. They are VERY random and all homemade but do with them what you please. Just let it be known that these are not for commercial use of course and only for modding please
modest imp
brb putting them in my unity asset flip
small gate
mod-only-pl licensed ™️
tame pebble
I am ready
solid isle
Oh yeah that reminds me.
Any kind of ambient_generic type entity, or something to play sounds coming soon?
honest stag
man i REALLY need some level ambience music, i cant wait for it to be implemented
i think i want lights less than level music lol
scarlet fjord
Thanks chief!
modest imp
I'm all about that ambient sound, yo. Running vents, quietly buzzing fluorescent lights, clicking hard drives, distant chattering... Oh, as subtle as it all is (or at least should be), it's enough to make me swoon. 😍
Good ambient sound design can make even the blockiest maps feel palpable and grounded in reality.
weak vessel
yeee
ebon jetty
@weak vessel ty for the sound drop
weak vessel
No prob no prob
scarlet fjord
Sewer sounds
weak vessel
just figured I'd drop ya somethin for now to help with the creative
tame pebble
How many did you include? I'm on mobile so I can't peep them yet
scarlet fjord
37 in total
scarlet fjord
The megawad is nothing but sewer levels
tame pebble
37 Andrew EXCLUSIVES
small gate
yeah
scarlet fjord
send it to civvie
ebon jetty
37 boys
small gate
the second worst thing next to downright terry wads
weak vessel
the gunshots are meh but everything else is pretty good
all recorded around Dallas
except the gun mechanical sound. I think that was Dave and I in Las Vegas last year at a shooting range.
tame pebble
I need to spend a day and just record all my guns.
modest imp
(please don't mistake me for a mapper i'm bad and terrible)
small gate
that yours?
modest imp
Yeah, I made it a few months ago. It's not much to look at, just fucking around with stuff.
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/pUrAvg7o.png
i love how cute this camera looks
small gate
it's pretty decent, idk what you talking about
modest imp
Thanks, but I'm really bad at large scale stuff. Like, I can do little bits of maps, but if I try to make a proper level out of them, I fall to pieces.
solid isle
"but im not a mapper"
small gate
that sounds like you need to practice blocking things out first, thats it
solid isle
small gate
it's just learning or developing methodologies and then practicing them
hard pollen
Vaporwave DUSK.
small gate
before gary went nuclear
modest imp
Small world. Same here, but I barely post.
Nick Mason on FP pre-disaster, SCPH7503 on KO.
small gate
I wondered if that was you anyways, not many people named after PS1 revisions
modest imp
Aye, but it apparently makes me easier to spot in a crowd.
Is that a good thing, though?
small gate
if that's your thing, I guess
modest imp
I ain't even got a thing, I just be what I be. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
And right now, I be tired, and be going to bed.
👋
small gate
nite
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/xeRnCcjo.png
those sparkly clean toilets dont fit :(
it's a prison not a hotel damnit
dungeon even
small gate
it's not because someone goes to jail that they start shitting everywhere all over the toilet
where the clean inmates at
honest stag
lol makes sense
still really bright though
well i guess i cant do much untill the patches roll out
gritty forge
I think I can map but I need the tools all done first. I'll wait for .fgd, does that mean it'll have graphic representation for the entities too?
honest stag
there is a custom fgd already
1 sec
this was made by func_bread
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1l3jG7G1KJ9qmw8I2hnDLmYJAnQ2lB2zr
still solstice
just make the bathroom area really excessively clean and out of place lmfao
tulip crown
Does it have all of Dusk's entities? Nothing missing?
ebon jetty
i've started on a new map
glad the trenchbroom tutorial mentions the prototype mod
wad*
very useful for laying out levels
toxic forge
you're welcome
gritty forge
@honest stag cool will check out later
Somehow I left the NB discord didn't realize I'd done it, hadn't really been on discord in awhile anyway... and now I'm like an ultra newbie again here no longer a rat 😭😭
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/AQbzbsBO.png
this is a working ladder and i feel smart even tho this is silly
instead of using 1 brush with func_ladder and a 2d non-transparent texture - each of those brushes is a func_ladder and works perfectly fine
frozen jolt
if it looks silly but works, it aint siLly Oh woah. Good to know.
torpid agate
Pretty cool
solid isle
real alpha chads just stack blocks that get progressively thinner, letting you ascend by jumping real fast
honest stag
lol real gigachad move
toxic forge
actually it was only way to do ladders before there was an access to QC
but you don't need to jump when blocks don't exceed some height
solid isle
if you add even less spacing you can do it without jumping
Also, are Quake textures just automatically supported?
how tf are they working
honest stag
yeah, with a palette file
ancient depot
Quake textures are normally embedded in the BSP file, so we just load them
As of the next patch we also support WAD files
ancient depot
Only for HLBSP though, I need to look at how Quake maps can request WAD usage
Without palette.lmp we can't load the textures in a quake map because we wouldn't have any colours to work with
solid isle
I see
ancient depot
Since the map textures only contain references to which colours in palette.lmp they use
solid isle
that makes sense
well I'm glad I can use them now
ancient depot
not the actual colours themselves
small gate
@ancient depot wym, how it enumerates the searchpath?
ancient depot
Hm?
small gate
I need to look at how Quake maps can request WAD usage
ancient depot
I need to find out how a Quake BSP defines a texture that is stored in a wad
I would assume it's like HLBSP, where it's in a wad if all of the mip texture offsets are 0
but I need to confirm
ancient depot
I'm tempted to just add support for .tga because people are having trouble converting those to .png lmao
small gate
any reason not to add .tga support tho
ancient depot
it's effort
small gate
...fair enough
frozen jolt
cool looking though!
honest stag
ey thanks
frozen jolt
It looks a little out of place without the other textures yet, but heres a retextured mage
solid isle
ceiling is my only issue, else it looks really good
iron needle
wow that's really cool @frozen jolt
frozen jolt
Thanks!!!
solid isle
well it's fucking sweet, I hope you keep at it and make something of it
pale pendant
@ancient depot I converted the tga files bruh. That's not the issue
frozen jolt
I'm plannin to! Full map set plus texture&sound overhaul
pale pendant
Something else is wrong. 😦
frozen jolt
Tysm tho!
ancient depot
Can I get a screenshot of your textures folder?
Also a screenshot of your modding menu, and how it all looks ingame
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/MQ1WFXUH.png
this is a """vending machine""" and the buttons will probably work
(they are just doors because you know, no func_button yet)
frozen jolt
can i have a can of whoopass
iron needle
@honest stag SOOOON
honest stag
hell yea
can you imagine escaping a cult's dungeon by digging a long tunnel and making an exit at the cult's local bar?
that would fucking suck right
chrome wagon
Why create a ladder when you can use a 89 degree ramp?
honest stag
may i interest you in some candles
ebon jetty
TORCHES
gritty forge
How about a dusk mod but the shotguns switch places:
Lever action shotguns shoot simultaneously
Meanwhile the ssg does well, the opposite.
small gate
just go all the way, instead of dual wielding shotties you dual the ssgs
small gate
TMSSGs dusk version
ebon jetty
tfw trenchbroom crashed while fixing issues
twilit coral
Because I want to remove the most satisfying part of the shotgun
small gate
@twilit coral check pins my man
brazen dune
I love how the Quake maps imported are hilariously broken but also surprisingly functional
ebon jetty
i keep hitting max faces because i'm getting too ambitious with how i'm flexing shapes
aaaaaa
iron needle
@brazen dune heh yeah, they should be getting more and more functional the more updates we put out
like, the one that's releasing soon adds buttons and triggers which does a lot
ancient depot
and really basic sky boxes
brazen dune
Ooh, fun
frozen jolt
Is concept art for a mod allowed here?
iron needle
sure!
frozen jolt
Great! one secondo
very rough stoff b ut helps layout how the future textures will look
iron needle
love it
frozen jolt
ty! more coming involving the other enemies and the protag
brazen dune
David at this rate we can just make Dusk 2 for you
iron needle
you've discovered my evil plan
frozen jolt
ONOE
ebon jetty
@iron needle what are the bench props from the old religion level called?
ebon jetty
i kept thinking it was bench
it's fine i'm just laying out the basic foundation
and then filling it will props
then textures
lighting will come later
this is the beginning of my level
a giant chapel is in it
it's probably too big 👀
sterile junco
larg arena
sterile junco
maybe verticality will make it interesting
ebon jetty
that's what i was just thinking
maybe platforms on the sides
and potentially a choir loft in the back
filled with cultists
like you're interrupting a ceremony
with the altar at the front
thick rampart
the organist is a leatherneck
ebon jetty
hehehehe
maybe the witch
or she can be the pianist
if i can recreate one
in any way
thick rampart
witch leads the choir! the perfect band
once triggers are added there's gotta be a small room where u can stomp on keys to make the organ toot
idk how feasible custom sfx will be but darn, imagine
thick rampart
lmao isn't everything worthwhile
ebon jetty
oh no
there's another option instead of all of that
|| 2 jakobs ||
it's a bad time to run out of ammo
lmao
they hit each other so now there's only one
and he's 1000 hp
thick rampart
i love the way you draw such long arms v nice!
ebon jetty
i like your style :)
solid isle
Is uhhhh colored lighting supported?
frozen jolt
ty!!!!
solid isle
also oof, I don't think JACK can even do colored lighting
i'll have to add a kv or some shit
is the key _color?
honest stag
an update to my level from yesterday -
patch notes (i'm sorry)
- Added a cave area leading to a dungeon
- Added a dungeon w/ escape route
- Added a bar which the escape route leads to
- Moved Mr. Skeleton to the cave area (thanks Dave!)
- Added a secret
i hope it's not annyoing or anything but i really want some feedback after i do like 30% of the level
solid isle
yooo
it worked
wtf
weird that there's just straight up no option
unless it's hidden because vanilla HL does support it, but vanilla Quake doesn't
thick rampart
are you using trenchbroom?
idk if it has to do w the entities file i had loaded but in my experience i always had to add it manualy
solid isle
Nah, JACK
thick rampart
(the _color key that is)
solid isle
it's just weird that it's clearly supported, because the entity changed color
but they dont include it
thick rampart
yeah definitely odd!
torpid agate
Wouldn’t the palette.lmp file extracted from the shareware version of quake be fine to distribute?
ancient depot
probably
solid isle
alright well it did not work
ancient depot
we can't include it in the game still though
torpid agate
Ye obvi
small gate
maybe generate a facsimile with this? https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Quake_palette#palette.lmp
then you could just distribute that instead
fierce lava
@honest stag
That custom Skeleton is awesome!
thick rampart
@honest stag i tried out yr level but i'm stuck in the cave and can't find a way out! the skeleton is very cute though
fierce lava
gotta go in the jail
solid isle
@ancient depot Are .lit files supported for colored lighting?
honest stag
there's a door in the end if you kill the 2 cultists
thick rampart
the one w the lil skelly man in it
ah, i am clueless
is it currently supposed to be textureless or is that an issue on my end here
honest stag
you need to get a palette file
thick rampart
aaahhhhhh makes sense i am lacking that
thick rampart
amazing! thank you!
honest stag
thick rampart
that door oughta be a lot easier to see now
solid isle
ah sweet
honest stag
. 🔥 files
honest stag
big is good
solid isle
Yeah; I'm just gonna have to add some details that weren't there before probably
honest stag
big john approves
solid isle
else it will just feel like baby's first map
unless colored lighting and Ultra-Violence amount of enemies will solve that
thick rampart
@honest stag i will say i had a much easier time getting out of that cave w the palette file loaded lmao
excited to see where ya take it!!
honest stag
ey thanks
i think i'm going to stick with very linear maps
i like how they turn out to be - cant really do open maps
ancient depot
func_breakable coming in next patch
solid isle
yooooooo
iron needle
@honest stag yes
the "health" key
HL documentation claims "strength" is what determines that but that's lies
ancient depot
it really gives the half life maps so much more life, it's surprising
honest stag
i'm dumb but is it _health or health
ancient depot
health
honest stag
'ight gotcha
ancient depot
keys that begin with _ are generally editor-only keys
which are used by the map compiler
for example, _light is for the lightmapping tool
hard pollen
Hell yeah.
ancient depot
oh one thing to keep in mind, we don't support explosive func_breakables just yet
honest stag
basically anything including brushes can be breakable right? just by adding the func_
honest stag
alright gotcha
iron needle
HL does weird dumb things with explosives and the documentation is of no help yeah
it's like "do this to make things explosive!"
so we're like "ok there's the key we have to look for"
HL Maps: nothing does that
hard pollen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEcOkpcYJL8 The true question is when're we getting physboxes so we can do this.
iron needle
@ancient depot that's something we could do right?
ancient depot
Uh I have no idea
oh I see
so it's just an object that turns on physics after a certain amount of force/damage
iron needle
I think?
hard pollen
Yeah it ain't.
iron needle
I think that should be easy enough to implement, but don't quote me
hard pollen
I'll probably have enough fun with making my house .wad but you can destroy everything with standard func_destructible.
ancient depot
func_myhouse
hard pollen
Func_pastalabrynth
iron needle
ok update going live in a sec here
gritty forge
Finally
iron needle
@ancient depot mods should be ok right?
gritty forge
David has the true piss color name
ancient depot
yeah I don't think Steam will delete anything
if you're paranoid back stuff up then though, you never know
iron needle
as long as it's not in the mnt/local/dusk folder I think it should be ok
yeah you can do a backup just to make sure
honest stag
'ight
iron needle
ok is live
fierce lava
changelog?
honest stag
there we go
iron needle
@ancient depot I think I'm gonna make a thread on the modding steam forum for patch notes
ancient depot
alright
solid isle
That'd be nice
Then we wont have to bug you guys everytime for "IS THIS FIXED YET??"-- at least for things that have been added or fixed.
iron needle
@ancient depot might want to update your pinned thread in there also
honest stag
is func_breakable supposed to be a class name or just added as a property
i'm a dumbo
like this orrr i dont know
iron needle
you use it the same way you use func_door
fierce lava
Oh yeah this update makes it way more stable
ancient depot
temp patch notes while we get a thread going
Q1 = Quake 1 BSP, BSP2
HL = Half-Life BSP
!! = All
[HL] Master spawn points are now recognized and prioritized.
[HL] monster_scientist_sitting is now recognized
[HL] Added support for external texture WADs. Both WAD2 and WAD3 are supported, however WAD2 requires palette.lmp.
[Q1] Added very basic skybox support. You can't change the skybox yet but it at least displays a default one.
[HL] The crowbar will now spawn as the sword, instead of not spawning at all.
[HL] Gonarch is now replaced by ||Many as One||. Nihilanth is replaced by ||Nyarlathotep||.
[Q1] Shub is now replaced by ||Nyarlathotep||.
[!!] Shotgun shells no longer prevent maps from loading.
[!!] worldspawn has partial support for the "light" property, only for non-lit maps!
[!!] new "euler" property for entities, which allows you to set their XYZ rotation directly.
[!!] Fixed performance issue when opening a door. AI support for moving platforms is disabled temporarily as a result.
[!!] trigger_teleport now respects "player only" flag.
[!!] Fixed maps that don't explicitly list a worldspawn entity.
[!!] Added the following new entities (not all are implemented, X = implemented, P = partially implemented)
[P] func_breakable
[P] func_button
[X] func_detail_wall
[X] func_detail_illusionary
[X] func_detail_fence
[X] func_wall_toggle
[P] trigger_auto
[P] trigger_once
[P] trigger_multiple
[P] multi_manager
[X] info_landmark
[X] info_player_teamspawn
[P] momentary_door
[P] momentary_rot_button
[ ] func_platrot
[ ] monster_generic
[ ] func_lod
[ ] func_occluder
[ ] func_tracktrain
[ ] func_train
[ ] func_vehicle
[ ] prop_dynamic
[ ] prop_dynamic_override
[ ] prop_physics
[ ] prop_physics_override
[ ] prop_static
```HOLY F U C K IS THAT SKY
ancient depot
oh yeah we also fixed func_button objects spawning in weird locations
torpid agate
Got done editing a texture to find an sdk update 
hard pollen
Okay so um, where does one get a hold of Trenchbroom. Asking because I'm too much of a baby to trust the first search results on googles.
ancient depot
no worries, it's a reasonable thing to ask
hard pollen
Now I can finally make my room.bsp
ancient depot
I'm glad we finally have at least basic skybox support in
fierce lava
Im very thankful for that
solid isle
how does it work?
just use the original quake skyboxes?
solid isle
I mean like
ancient depot
you can't change it just yet, but it'll render
solid isle
what brush do you use for it
ancient depot
no brush, it does it the quake way, if a texture starts with SKY it'll be a skybox
solid isle
thats mostly what I meant, though I said it wrong lol
good enough for me
I was most asking "what is the Quake way?"
ancient depot
ah
solid isle
in Hammer you use a sky tool texture
fierce lava
So with custom Half Life maps do you put the WAD in the base of the folder, and does it need to be the same name as the map?
ancient depot
you just shove all the wad files into the mod folder
same place you put palette.lmp
keep their original names
for example I just shoved all the wads from half life, blue shift and cstrike into my mnt/local/dusk folder
gritty forge
So in the future we’ll be able to make our own skyboxes yeah?
ancient depot
yes
honest stag
so uhm
making 2 different things breakable and breaking one of them makes both break
i cant seem to fix it
ancient depot
can you show your setup?
gritty forge
I have a feeling theres not gonna be a single normal custom skybox.
ancient depot
Note if you make something breakable, its collision becomes a shell that surrounds the model
gritty forge
Dave skybox.
solid isle
oh shid that means I can bring dust2 into DUSK lmao
ancient depot
already beat you to it lmao
solid isle
oh no
solid isle
well I'll still hopefully be the first for DOOM E1M1 :[
honest stag
even specifically deselecting one and giving it func breakable for some reason an ojbect on the other side of the map becomes func_breakable
torpid agate
Real chads bring dust 2 into quake and play against quake bots
small gate
Im pretty sure I saw someone rocking some E1M1
solid isle
Maybe I'll backport dust2 CSS to .map and port that 
unless it uses displacements
which it might
small gate
which it does
honest stag
i dont have a single damn clue what is going on with breakable objects right now
solid isle
I wouldn't have the props anyway lol
ancient depot
it must be something in the map, since they work fine in existing ones
honest stag
and why i can only have one as whole
like when 1 breaks all of them break
should i give them all different target names?
solid isle
did you bind them all as a breakable at the same time?
you have to do them individually
solid isle
both probably
honest stag
i dont give them a target name in the first place
but i'll add it
i do them individually
but any change to 1 results in the same change for the other
i have no clue why
solid isle
they're grouped then
honest stag
they arent
honest stag
tried it
honest stag
if i just go to a random brush, select it, give it func_breakable it will somehow be connected to all other func_breakables
maybe
lemme try
solid isle
causing them to think it's a group>
torpid agate
Ricochet is looking good with that sdk update lol
small gate
all ricochet assets should be hashed and banned
honest stag
...damn it now all the brushes have the same target name because a change to one reflects on the others aghhh
ok, i'll make a func_door, give it a target name, and then make it breakable
with me luck
solid isle
cant wait for DUSK Richochet
fuck that might be a fun project when scripting comes out
hoary juniper
Fingerbones in Dusk
honest stag
alright i think i fucked up my entire map now
honest stag
whatever, no breakables this time
long anchor
henlo there
ancient depot
try making a small box room with a bunch of breakables in a new map
long anchor
oh, new patch?
ancient depot
then post that here for people to look at
solid isle
yeah
honest stag
yeah i'll try a new map
ancient depot
yup, check forums for changelog
ancient depot
yeah, we have a default skybox that'll render, it can't be customized yet but you can at least have sky now
long anchor
it better to be night sky or i won't use it now 
ancient depot
honest stag
alright so i think i just severely fucked up on my main map
because i made a new one and it works
long anchor
do you have quake palette?
solid isle
who me?
ancient depot
this would be a case of missing wads I think, if that's compiled as hlbsp
long anchor
hm
ancient depot
ah
solid isle
yeah I don't use HL
though I should
doing func_breakable in quake might turn a brush into an entity cube
until we get an fgd
I guess I should go check
long anchor
i think no
cause i have trigger_secrets somewhere and they look like transparent brushes
although that's func
solid isle
oh yeah it works
long anchor
honest stag
alright i fixed it by moving brushes to world
solid isle
should have figured it would work since triggers are in lmao
long anchor
i say Y E S
solid isle
also uhhh... moving brushes to the world fixed it??
or rather
do you mean you removed the func_breakable?
honest stag
yeah they arent weirdly connected anymore
well you know, right click - move brushes to world
solid isle
yeah
solid isle
still wonder if you somehow grouped them in a weird way but didn't realize it
solid isle
just make sure to do them one at a time
and do not copy-paste
not even the brush itself
err
entity
long anchor
@honest stag what properties i need to make func_breakable work?
something like damage i guess?
torpid agate
That hl2 in gldsrc mod pretty much works now.
honest stag
sometimes i still need to do them by group tho, i hope it doesnt fuck up anything
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/1LznwPqa.png
solid isle
and the value is an integer
long anchor
gotcha
solid isle
metal would be 2
long anchor
thanks
ancient depot
note
long anchor
wait what
ancient depot
honest stag
so where can i see which value is which material?
ancient depot
here are the supported materials
honest stag
ah i dont need it
solid isle
@honest stag What I just posted should be it
long anchor
why do we need to make func_breakable and make unbreakable?
solid isle
unless he added some custom ones
wood should work for rope
if I remember the sound correctly
it's not too chunky of a wood sound
solid isle
👌
long anchor
ok i've got stupidly strange idea
hard pollen
I feel like I'm in way over my head with this DUSK mapping stuff.
thorn nova
How do Dusk's textures work? I'm looking over the cowgirl textures and I'm kind of confused by them
solid isle
just focus on making level and then worry about all of the extra stuff later
if you even want to make a level
ancient depot
the textures are uber jank
solid isle
else uhhhh
texture and sound replacement is ez
ancient depot
if you want the source .blend files to view the UVs easier I can provide those
hard pollen
I mean, I wouldn't be trying to make a level if I didn't want to make a level.
hard pollen
Having the blend files would be so dang handy.
solid isle
or maybe I did... I'm a bit tired
ancient depot
A lot of the .blend files are lacking animations since some of it was done inside Unity
hard pollen
Yeah, cough cough leatherneck cough cough.
ancient depot
and all of the guns
hard pollen
Dangit David.
This is why you keep the game engine and asset creation tools separate, any time you try and combine the two it goes south.
ancient depot
agreed
I also hate that Unity can import .blend files
it really shouldn't, because it encourages dropping them into your project
Unity uses Blender itself to import those, meaning you then need Blender installed to load the project, and in recent versions they changed how Blender imports them in Unity
Which broke all of Dusk's models
I had to uninstall Blender 2.8 and move back to 2.79 for them to work
hard pollen
Yeah it probably is best that it doesn't, as bad as FBX is tech wise it at least teaches habits to do things.
And isn't linked to what version of the asset creation pipeline is used to make them.
ancient depot
Unfortunately it is
hard pollen
Well not in the same way as it is when importing Blend files in Unity I mean.
FBX version compatibility is poopy at times.
ancient depot
I suppose so yeah
The main issue is modern game engines encouraging scene storage formats for regular models
hard pollen
Pretty sure UE and Unity both support .DAE and some other formats.
honest stag
yes plz
hard pollen
Albeit in UE4's case a lot of that stuff is "experimental"
honest stag
i love this so much
solid isle
oooo nice
long anchor
AHAHAHA!
honest stag
oh that is just awesome
low halo
Yooo sick!
long anchor
it's super sick
i have a secret mortar in the canals
imagine how cool it is
you found mortar
you kill those soldiers
and windows break
HAHAHA
viral terrace
hey does anyone know where the sound file for drawing the pistols out is?
it's not in the pistol folder
ancient depot
sounds/switch.flac I think
ancient depot
beats me lmao
hard pollen
In all seriousness though having the original assets would be super handy for texture swaps and in the future reanimations of things and stuff.
ancient depot
the pistol has no proper weapon select sound defined, so it just uses the switch sound
ancient depot
yeah we'll probably dump all of those at some point hatsu
hard pollen
Aight.
thorn nova
I have a really cursed idea to make the cowgirls look like Angel Dust from Hazbin Hotel
long anchor
Zombie is it ok that mortar explosion don't break stuff?
long anchor
thx
thorn nova
I'm just trying to figure out what would be better to edit the textures on, Illustrator or Photoshop?
long anchor
try both
ancient depot
Isn't illustrator for vectors?
thorn nova
Yeah, I just figured Illustrator might be a better option because Vectors don't get crusty idk
long anchor
ok, enough of playing with new funcs, gotta do some stuff irl. brb in hour or two
ancient depot
gotta dom some stuff irl
long anchor
and beer books
ancient depot
that was an amazing typo
long anchor
thorn nova
big funny
long anchor
i didn't get it tho lol
hard pollen
Photoshop is probably the best option because it kinda defeats the point of using Vectors if you're just going to convert them to bitmaps.
ancient depot
just me being immature don't worry lmao
thorn nova
kk
long anchor
lol
ancient depot
excited to try all these maps btw
every time I see them they've gotten better and better
long anchor
i hope i'll finish geometry stuff today
honest stag
omg all textures work now
i had a buncha quake wads with textures and most of them overlapped
but this update fixed it thank you
ancient depot
👌
honest stag
...scratch that no it didnt lol sorryt
ancient depot
lmao
sounds like an editor issue tbh, I'm willing to bet you'd get that issue if you opened it in quake too
solution would be to make your own wad with the textures you need and use that
someone linked a wad tool earlier that should do the job
honest stag
makes sense, most of them are kinda useless and all dusk textures work anyway
thanks tho, i'll remember that
also the bullet box texture makes for a nice freezer wall
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/d6Z5aPVY.png
ancient depot
it's amusing because even dusk.wad contains conflicts with itself
need to fix those later
since a wad texture name can only be 15 characters long
small gate
15char long, but you can use markers
small gate
oh fuck
small gate
I thought you'd at least have an empty data lump
small gate
I'm aware there's a difference, since they changed from wad to pak because wad sucks, but I assumed there would be at least a way to create empty data
(I never actually read on quake wads, never needed to go that way)
ancient depot
You sort of can, but it's not supported by anything afaik
it'd be a pointless effort
it'd only be supported by dusk but no tools would be able to actually create such a wad
small gate
that'd be pretty pointless :/
honest stag
i really really like the fact that i dont even have to leave the level to test out a new verison
small gate
hotswapping is just ❤️
ancient depot
unfortunately we lack hotswapping for wads atm
so if you load a map without wads present, then do NBREFRESH or just click "Apply" on the modding menu, they won't suddenly show up
you have to start the map again
pearl fox
Is pak-support planned some time down the line?
ancient depot
no, but it might happen at some point
fluid nimbus
34mb patch for dusk, wots that
fluid nimbus
thanks
fierce lava
There is still supposed to be lighting issues with Trenchbroom correct? Either that or I suck at lighting
fierce lava
okay good lol
true vale
func_vehicle !!!!!
ancient depot
spawns, but not implemented
small gate
boggles my mind that valve never bothered with func_vehicle on csgo, even if it was the same crap implementation
everyone knows func_vehicle is jank, and thats exactly why people want it
I guess I'm big john now, fitting that I'd get big john talking bout func_vehicle
ancient depot
the colours are so similar I didn't even notice
oh wait it hadn't updated for me yet
fierce lava
I wanted to learn more about func_vehicle so I googled it.
first result...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdo9HZTgr6s
small gate
that's the word of our prophet jacob
solid isle
honestly looks exactly like the CSS implementation
now that I look at it
except without the func train speed settings
graceful hinge
Blessssss
honest stag
I love making small details
cant have a blood bath without faucets right
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/QNoSIeqL.png
does this look like a meat hook
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/DVlCGJNE.png
i'm struggling to make it instantly recognized as a meat hook
long anchor
try making these two parts rounder
gritty forge
@honest stag thats soooo awesome
honest stag
ey thanks
you're right, i think i can split those into 2 brushed and """curve""" them
sharp trail
Doing circles in tb is suprisingly hard
long anchor
personally i don't have problems with curves
also
and beer books
ok and beer books joke don't work as nickname apparently
unborn nimbus
How should i effectively be lighting my rooms? First time using TB so im not to familiar with it and I dont want to add to many lights in a room. I've already got 5 light sources in this room but have some blotchy dark spots. https://i.imgur.com/D2IUcpR.png
long anchor
lights have issues in current version
unborn nimbus
ah ok. makes sense
long anchor
so i suggest focusing on geometry and details more
honest stag
nickname as "and beer books" i dare you
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/OcPBlLf3.png
that's better i think
not perfect but better
honest stag
good option
fluid nimbus
you could always make the meathook a 2D transparent texture
honest stag
you know i find just using 2d textures worse than making things by hand
it just kinda looks better and gives things a personal touch
like i could make a fence by just slapping a texture on it or actually make it out of brushes - in the first case you cant shoot through it and it looks meh, + you cant change how it loooks/add holes
balmy thorn
I know it says "partially implemented" in the update but I can't get func_breakable to work at all.
honest stag
remember - you need a health value in addition to the func_ itself
long anchor
if you have health property already try erasing it's value and typing it again
that worked for me
small gate
that's the sorta thing that I'd use models for instead of brushes, really
honest stag
yo @long anchor can you help me out with something - what's the name for the white lamp post? not the one that emits yellow light
balmy thorn
Oh, right, health values. Been a while 😛
honest stag
basically something that's always on and emits while light
like the one you would see in an office or a fridge
balmy thorn
Also @long anchor Looks great
balmy thorn
Where did you get that list? 😮
long anchor
Zombie
fierce lava
how do you make water water?
long anchor
water is not watery now
you can make it swimable but it still looks like solid brush
balmy thorn
Add a little H to your 2O
fierce lava
Alright, how do you make it swimmable?
long anchor
one sec
balmy thorn
func_water
fierce lava
ah, ty
balmy thorn
np
long anchor
@fierce lava add these properties to your func_water
Thanks to @hollow laurel for this pic
fierce lava
I have trouble changing the classname because it sets it for every object, so what I do is right click, give it a random function, then change it from there.
long anchor
right
fierce lava
Is that how you're supposed to do it normally?
long anchor
actually you can right click on brush - create brush entity - func- water
if you're using TB tho
cause i don't know how it works in other programms
long anchor
ohh
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/060120/3YGeS3PQ.png
THEY KILLED BG JOHN THOSE FUCKERS
long anchor
cause i'm using custom fgd
yes, you don't have it
yep, make any other func and then rename it to func_water
fierce lava
I only got the textures loaded into it, yeah
long anchor
NOOOO NOT BJ
fierce lava
I mean he wanted to die
balmy thorn
Hate to breake it to you guys, but I already killed him outside of the Erebus Reactor.
balmy thorn
😄
long anchor
which out of two?
honest stag
left