dusk-modding

[honest stag]

hell
yes

[gritty forge]

Lol that would be amazing

[long anchor]

thanks for ideas

that's awesome

although there won't be any water since water doesn't exist in current sdk version 😦

well, it kinda exists

[ancient depot]

Water does exist, we have GoldSrc's func_water

[gritty forge]

Wait, can you do floating water if it's a brush?

[ancient depot]

It's just we don't support the way Quake does it

[long anchor]

they are different?

[ancient depot]

Unfortunately

[gritty forge]

Doesn't func_water wave and stuff

[long anchor]

oh as far as i remember you can just place brush with water texture and it will work as water in quake

[ancient depot]

There are other ways to do water also which we don't support yet, but it's coming

Right now I'm working on texture wad support

[long anchor]

@gritty forge no waves 😦

[gritty forge]

F

[long anchor]

it looks like solid brush

Zombie, i don't remember what you said about animated textures

soon or never?

[ancient depot]

soon

There's not really any particular feature we don't plan to support tbh

[long anchor]

ok

[fluid nimbus]

what I get from this is that dusk will get turn based fighting support, as well as loading mario galaxy maps

[gritty forge]

Subdrag obj support when

[fluid nimbus]

RPGmaker map support please

[long anchor]

RPGmaker
never say that word please

i have rpgmakerish ptsd

[fluid nimbus]

dusk dating simulator gamemode

[long anchor]

heh

dusdtk

[fluid nimbus]

what if we kissed inside the erebus reactor 😳

[honest stag]

that guys map inspired me so much
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/ngMJHi6h.png

i seriously cant wait to keep making this

[long anchor]

wait what

skrinshooter.RU?

[honest stag]

correcto

[long anchor]

are you russian?

or you're just using the site

[tight fractal]

cyka

[honest stag]

russian

[long anchor]

not russian enough

сука блять

that's how you do it

@honest stag congrats, we can dm on russian now

[fringe nymph]

why use thirdparty image host when you can directly paste from clipboard on discord

[long anchor]

i wanted to ask same question

[honest stag]

doesnt work for me
dont ask why

printscreen is literally not operational in any form for me

[fringe nymph]

what

[honest stag]

dont ask

[fringe nymph]

if it isnt keyboard then that sounds alarming

[honest stag]

it's not
as i said it's... weird and complicated and it's easier for me to use a third party thing

[tepid flint]

Сука блять is for virgins

[long anchor]

and what's not?

[gritty forge]

Sometimes discord just doesn't wanna post images

It jams for me at times and I just give up when it does

And rev up a 3rd party site

[tepid flint]

@honest stag use snip & sketch

Or scissors or whatever the fuck it's called

Default program

[honest stag]

i already set up the third party thing too comfortably

hm
dusk isnt loading for me anymore
just a black screen

[long anchor]

rip

[honest stag]

weird, i havent changed anything, only added a new map into an existing mod
which i have done before with no trouble

[long anchor]

what happens if you delete this map?

[honest stag]

oh no i also added the description thing
i deleted it and now it works

huh ok

[long anchor]

ok

[ancient depot]

was there any part of description.xml that you left out?

[honest stag]

nope, i just replaced the text indside

...hmm
i made my entire map bigger and now it's lighter in weight than the smaller version

[long anchor]

waterslide's underway

@honest stag now you go to jail for this

[honest stag]

oh y e s .
you know you could give the bottom part a water texture lol

[long anchor]

holy shit steam says i've been mapping for 21 hours already

i can add another layer of water

and make it waterish

it won't be animated though

[honest stag]

ughhhh this would look so nice with proper lights :(
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/jD44bMxN.png

i wish i could just slap the lamppost there but with stronger light

that would look better

[gritty forge]

I think the bleeding jesus face is a bit out of place, otherwise nice mood

[honest stag]

think so?
hmmm i'll try something else

[gritty forge]

Something that looks more like a pillar would be better I think

Jesus face is mostly used for inserts, like a single face inside a wall

[honest stag]

i dont want this part of the map to be too yellow
so maybe a toned down metal blue with something on it?
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/litlHg6D.png

[long anchor]

maybe

[honest stag]

lokks kinda weird tho

damn

[long anchor]

how about offsetting the texture to make this brown thing apper near the edge?

[gritty forge]

I think a full arch would be better too

Instead of two rectangles like things touching on the vertexes

You know something like this

[ancient depot]

Texture WAD support is in

[honest stag]

thing is, this thing is kinda huge
and that small light pole in the middle is huge too

oh wow i cant even dream of making that cool arch

[gritty forge]

Effort is cool

Cause it brings cool stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTwe2lEu95s

[honest stag]

yeah i simply dont know how lol
but i'll try
i think i saw a dumptruck tutorial for it

yeah there lol

[long anchor]

@honest stag i suggest looking dumptruck's TB tutorial, arch video

goddammit Ivory

[gritty forge]

[honest stag]

yeah i should give it a look
but damn i wish lights worked here

[long anchor]

i'm actually scary of the day when lights will be fixed

cause it'll def break my map's lights

[honest stag]

or make the map better

[long anchor]

cause i can remember from quake mapping that placing two lights in 2 meters is big no no thing

[placid marsh]

hi, just discovered the sdk and I was wondering how the lighting works?

does it use the BSP lightmaps?

[long anchor]

can't answer that

i can that lights are bit broken tho

[gritty forge]

Lightmap support is a WIP

[ancient depot]

Well, lightmaps are fully supported, there are just some coordinate issues

So they look off atm

[gritty forge]

Yey

[ancient depot]

(Only applies to Q1 & HL BSP)

Q3BSP lightmaps are fully supported without issues

[placid marsh]

thanks for the info

basing custom maps on quake tools is a great idea, do they still need VIS to be run?

[ancient depot]

The game currently doesn't use VIS information, but when it does, I would recommend doing that for large maps

But for now there's no point in doing it

god it's so nice to finally have texture wads in

[gritty forge]

Battle of the gods

[honest stag]

i may have went a little overboard but i like how sharp it looks
def better than what it used to be

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/NRRpZH5M.png

it's like 2 fingers holding a small light

i like it

[long anchor]

what

was that

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/WzVBy6IB.png
I LOVE HOW THIS LOOKS SO MUCH

it's like
"damn those dragons are screaming at something but the glass isnt there so WHAT WAS THAT HM"

mysterious and shit

[long anchor]

oh

that's nice detail

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/CuV60oML.png
which one do you think looks better?
"""smooth""" or square edges

[gritty forge]

I like the smooth ones a bit more. Adds contrast

[last talon]

smooth ones def

lookin good too

[honest stag]

yeah i think so too

[long anchor]

you mean that things on right and left?

if yes then smooth ofc

[honest stag]

'ight thanks, i'll replace the others with them
...actually the player probably wont even seee this

eh whatever

[gritty forge]

I think the player could be able to rocket jump up

[tepid flint]

Secret

[honest stag]

this is the starting area so no riveter yet
i dont know if i'm going to give the player an option to go back
believe it or not but this is a "horror" level in disguise

...at least i plan it out to be

[tepid flint]

If you wanna make a horror level then make weird shapes and put light sources in them so there will be weird shadows

[long anchor]

spoiler: lights work bad, shadows too

[honest stag]

i dont want to spoil things but basically the player doesnt know what kind of level this is yet

and that too

sadly

[long anchor]

@honest stag so far

[honest stag]

hell yes fun water slide

uhhhhh i dont know what the fuck i did

but look at this lighting

1 sec

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/MahwwnxY.png

it's not perfect but what the hell
it didnt even work 2 minutes ago

[long anchor]

dusk magic

that's a shame that i can't make this rat appear in this tunnel

[honest stag]

what is that lol

[long anchor]

it always appear on surface

that's rat lol

[honest stag]

oh wait you have the fgd right

[long anchor]

that func_bread made, yeah

[honest stag]

i really need good lighting for this map, damn

[balmy thorn]

Has a fgd for Dusk been released?

[long anchor]

nope

[balmy thorn]

ah

[honest stag]

func_break made a custom one

bread*

[long anchor]

@lament ore made a replacement tho

well yeah, rather custom fgd

so, about the tunnels on my map

[honest stag]

have you tried moving it up/down? maybe make a small floor beneath that and place the rat there so it goes up?

[long anchor]

i really want to make like a system of these tunnels, but i don't feel letting player crouch hundred kilometers in them

maybe that'll work

[honest stag]

sewer level inside of a level

[long anchor]

heh

but i think rat's model is too big for this tunnel and it will appear on surface anyway

yeah, tunnel's too small for rat

[honest stag]

shame
a perfect place for one

hold on

if a rat cant be there - how can a player crouch there

[long anchor]

dusk dud smal

i'll place em here

still a nice place for rat and it still makes sense

[tepid flint]

Why is the spawn model there

[long anchor]

cause i'm using custom fgd that func_bread made

[tepid flint]

What

[long anchor]

@lament ore made custom fgd

that's what i meant

[compact juniper]

does anyone know where trenchbroom keeps it's save data. My trenchbroom as of recently has just been nonstop crashing and i want to know how to reset the save data

[honest stag]

in the trenchbroom folder probably?

[long anchor]

i think no

cause i can't see anything like this in TB folder

[compact juniper]

i had deleted trenchbroom about 50 times, no that is not where it's save data is located

[honest stag]

are you sure it's the save data or whatever that's causing it then?
does it start up?

like at what point does it crash

[compact juniper]

barely, it lets me load a map or make a new one, then crashes

[honest stag]

huh weird

[compact juniper]

it stopped working after i tried to make a bsp with one of my maps,

[ancient depot]

%AppData%\TrenchBroom

[compact juniper]

i tried that, still kept all the save data i had

[honest stag]

haunted trenchbroom

[ancient depot]

Might store something in the registry then

Try opening an issue on the GitHub

They also have a Discord

https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom

it's all linked on that page

[gritty forge]

Maybe a file is being kept as read-only?

[jagged moat]

Dusk SDK will be release for the owners of GOG version?

[honest stag]

it's so weird that trenchbroom's community is still active

[ancient depot]

Yes, but when that'll happen I don't know, that's out of my ballpark

[long anchor]

trenchbroom = quake

quake comm is pretty active as far as i know

[tepid flint]

Quake mapping discord is actually very active

[honest stag]

i spent 30 minutes making this dumb motherfucker and it wasnt worth it
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/2H8gB8QG.png

"yeah haha make a skeleton by hand"

[ancient depot]

that is absolutely full of soul though

[honest stag]

i dont know if i can handle making a skull though but GOD i want to

[ancient depot]

lmao place the actual skull object so you can pick it up

[honest stag]

you are a genuis thank you

i forgot it existed

[half vessel]

there's also a ribcage object

dunno if that'd work as well

[honest stag]

nah i want the ribcage there

[half vessel]

reminds me of like

the citadel

from hl2 in a weird way

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/KyNaFZa6.png
this dude is a bit big but i can fix that

[half vessel]

the angled platforms and shit

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/E1lVSKDg.png
there, that's better

[long anchor]

try boneball texture for skeleboi

i think that might work

[honest stag]

hmmm i like the white bones tho

but i'll try

[tepid flint]

The color of the bones and the skull don't mix well

So yeah try boneball texture

If that doesn't work just try using a similar color on the bones to that of a skull

[honest stag]

bone ball stuf has holes sadly, and to fix it i need to manually set each bone

i'll try another one

[long anchor]

how about gore_bone

[honest stag]

tried it, doesnt match well

[long anchor]

ok

[honest stag]

hm it's actually relly damn difficult to find a skull-matching texture

[long anchor]

how about skull texture itself

[honest stag]

cant find it, but good idea

[long anchor]

it's just "skull"

[ancient depot]

Now that we support wads btw, I'll probably update MakeWad to output WAD3s and split dusk.wad into several wads

[honest stag]

found it, but i have to manually set each bone again

so nope

[long anchor]

@ancient depot like brush textures wad, items textures wad etc?

[ancient depot]

yeah

gore.wad, tech.wad, etc

[long anchor]

nice

[honest stag]

man, what the fuck am i doing lol
sitting here at 0:31 trying to find the best texture for a shitty skeleton that matches it's skull which is a different thing

[long anchor]

dusk mapping

[honest stag]

you know what

fuck it
i'm going to manually set each bone to match the skull's texture

each fucking side of each bone

[long anchor]

gl hf

[balmy thorn]

Is there currently a way to add swimmable water?

[long anchor]

yes, but water will look like solid brush

wait a sec

[gritty forge]

I think the skeleton is charismatic

If you can match the tint to the skull's one it is very convincing

[long anchor]

@balmy thorn

[balmy thorn]

Oh, it's the same as in quake.

[long anchor]

yep

thanks to @hollow laurel for this pic

[honest stag]

FUNC_DOOR STUCK, FUNC_DOOR STUCK

[long anchor]

I BEG YOU

[honest stag]

i have bad news and good news regarding mr. skeleton
bad news is that even tho i matched every single side of each bone to the skull texture - it looks differently becasue of how light affects brushes and entities
good news is..

whoops sorry

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/wc7QN0a7.png good news is that i used a candle for good light and it looks nice

[gritty forge]

de_dusk

[long anchor]

СКРИНШОТЕР.РУ

[gritty forge]

very nice

[long anchor]

i'm sorry

yeah it looks good

[gritty forge]

I like the creativity going into making a skeletal outta brushes

[honest stag]

it was painful but fun

[gritty forge]

Can you make brushes not collide with player?

[honest stag]

yes actually

[gritty forge]

It might be good to do on the skelly dude

if haven't done already

[honest stag]

i'll do it rn, good idea

[long anchor]

does it look like a lock?

[honest stag]

oh wait, zombie, is func_illusionary not supported?

looks like a lock alright, if you made the "handle" a different texture it would be perfect

[long anchor]

handle? you mean that part welded to beam thingy?

i fixed it a little bit already

[gritty forge]

I think the lock doesn't stand out enough from the texture behind it. it's kinda hard to make out. Maybe you could use another textures

[mortal narwhal]

you should make it bright silver or something

or copper color

[gritty forge]

But the shape is convincing

[mortal narwhal]

and a point light next to it

[honest stag]

this part

[long anchor]

ah i see

ok thanks for feedback everyone

[mortal narwhal]

anytime

[long anchor]

~uhhhh~

one guy asked me about my lights yesterday

and i said that all my lights are at 300

turns they are all at 200

oopsie

[sterile junco]

im turning all my lights to 600

turn you blind map

[long anchor]

lol

[fringe nymph]

i thought lights dosent work for now

[long anchor]

they work

kinda

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/o9TxJ6U3.png
Can you guess what exactly gives the bottom of the portal this great looking light?

because i couldnt guess for a minute

[gritty forge]

is that a teleporter?

[long anchor]

texture gives the light?

[honest stag]

fake one, it's supposed to be where you came out from
the light is given out by an upside down candle (a small black thing near it)
it was supposed to be standing on that platform thing but it fell down exactly like this

and it looks nice

[ancient depot]

@honest stag func_illusionary is supported

[honest stag]

you cant see the flame but the light is there lol

huh weird, i tried it on a brush

[fringe nymph]

guess ill wait a little for a patch

[gritty forge]

Can you just the teleporter texture more "inside". Seeing it right next to the outer shell feels a bit wrong.

[long anchor]

uuhhhhh

[honest stag]

ye i was going to

[gritty forge]

It's like having two floor textures next to each other without an interline

[honest stag]

hell yea that's better

[sterile junco]

yall are doing some cool ass stuff

i wish i could figure out trenchbroome

or whatever its called

[honest stag]

it's really simple actually, dumptruck_ds had awesome short tutorials on each thing you need to know

[sterile junco]

just setting up i dont understand

ohshit alright ill check those out

[honest stag]

it also has setting up in the tutorial give it a look

[fresh pivot]

it would be more quickly recognized if you make the silhouette of the padlock just a bit less obscured by the the gate itself

the little U bit

[sterile junco]

after its set up it should be smooth sailing tho

Ive used hammer a fuckton

i know my way around bsps

[fresh pivot]

rule of thumb, squint at it and see if you can easily tell what it is

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/kDQdhQoH.png
sooo 1 candle is funky to set up, 2 seems a bit too much? i dunno tell me

[long anchor]

i think it's pretty much recognisable even from here

after some playtesting i decied to remove this whole gate thing anyway

cause there's no need in it anyway

[honest stag]

i dont think i would be looking for a lock at that distance tbh, upclose is a different thing though

[tight fractal]

Vrisk is that a tech base church with a portal?

[gritty forge]

Oh man, I love the texture direction

[honest stag]

maybe.

yes it is

[tight fractal]

Fuckin love it

[fresh pivot]

can someone refresh me on how tall dusk dude is in quake units?

[honest stag]

my inspirations are EP2 and a map some guy made like several months ago before sdk and showed me, even tho he's not on the server anymore
it looked so goddamn amazing

i went with the church thing because of it lol

[long anchor]

@fresh pivot somewhere around 96 i think

probably bit less

[gritty forge]

Dusk hd looking good

[honest stag]

oh god that is scary

[fresh pivot]

ty

[long anchor]

check it and tell me if i was right

[honest stag]

i need help
which looks better
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/o9TxJ6U3.png
or

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/kDQdhQoH.png

[mortal narwhal]

looking better

[honest stag]

which one tho

[mortal narwhal]

the second one

[gritty forge]

Time to replace all textures with stock pngs

Also second one

[long anchor]

2nd

[honest stag]

figured it would be too bright but i can see that yea

[mortal narwhal]

the set dressing is better, with the candles

[long anchor]

placing too many light posts is bad idea actually

[fluid nimbus]

just turn off bloom

[mortal narwhal]

I do think the portal frame's texture could be different @honest stag

[long anchor]

nah, need to make it look normal even with bloom

[honest stag]

think so? i thought it was alright

i'll play around with it

[mortal narwhal]

it just feels cut off

[long anchor]

wait @fluid nimbus my bloom is turned off

[mortal narwhal]

maps looking good though so far

[fluid nimbus]

odd

[honest stag]

there are already some completed ones on moddb btw

[long anchor]

that's bloom on

[fluid nimbus]

the sdk sometimes reset settings for no reason so are you sure @long anchor

oh

[honest stag]

wow huh this is giving me an idea.
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/Rq1lkATj.png

[long anchor]

@fluid nimbus it's not about bloom but light flares

that's light flares turned off

but turning light flares off is bad idea cause it's pretty useful in giving you info about surroundings

like, with light flare you can easily detect mages, their magicballs or turrets

[gritty forge]

im making a hl2 gun and enemy pack what should the double barrel be

[mighty fossil]

depends

what do you have for the other weapons

[gritty forge]

i have pistol shotgun and rifle done

the rifle is the AR-2 (pulse rifle)

[long anchor]

ok maybe not mages themself but their attacks, 100% sure

[pliant sierra]

waiting for someone to make the welder gun a player weapon

[mighty fossil]

maybe smg then? unless you're putting that on the assault rifle (unless unless thats what you meant)

[gritty forge]

the rifle is pulse rifle

[mortal narwhal]

@ancient depot Is there a way to reload a map without going to campaign > custom level and selecting from there? I want to reload my map that I made edits to without clicking a lot

[ancient depot]

Not currently, but that's a good point, we should add something for that

We have an NBREFRESH cheat for quicky reloading texture and sounds mods

But nothing for quickly restarting the map

[long anchor]

(there's reload level button that doesn't work for some reason)

lol

[mortal narwhal]

hmm

[long anchor]

i think reason is the same as for quick save/load

they don't work either

[ancient depot]

Yeah, fun fact

when you load a custom map, you actually load an empty version of E1M1, and the game fills in the scene

It unfortunately needs to be done that way until we finish rewriting a bunch of the code to better support external levels

We should be able to fix the restart button though

The code is already there for it (for example, when you die)

[long anchor]

heh

[mortal narwhal]

do you reload the map when you die or does it reset?

[ancient depot]

it reloads the map

[iron needle]

@honest stag @long anchor both your levels are looking fantastic!

[long anchor]

thanks!

[iron needle]

The use of trim in those screenshots is great @long anchor

[honest stag]

my life is now complete - mr. dusk himself has noticed me

[long anchor]

trim? what do you mean?

[iron needle]

On the building

[iron needle]

Yeah those

[long anchor]

ah, got it

well thanks

[fringe nymph]

im safe with sticking with quake>HL format in the future?

[long anchor]

also preparing to explain how level progresses in the beginning to gather feedback if it's good or not

[honest stag]

i wish i could move on to another room but i'm doing the dumbest cheesiest shit ever for not reason and i might make the player laugh but i dont care

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/jsBOhnek.png

basically
it's like the portal is a demon's mouth

but i cant nail it

[tight fractal]

It looks fuckin sick

[honest stag]

should i just drop the idea

oh ok

[cosmic copper]

the chomper texture is in the wad. you can make it a literal mouth

[iron needle]

Yeah it looks awesome

[cosmic copper]

use func_illusionary so you can walk right in

[tight fractal]

See what I see is some batshit insane preacher asking for volunteers to “step into the other side” and be reborn

[honest stag]

lol yeah that's kind of what i'm going for
not an actual demon but an image

made by some batshit dude

[cosmic copper]

ah ok

[tight fractal]

I think you just need some symbol on the wall

[honest stag]

want to know what's he preaching?

[cosmic copper]

I am now looking for an excuse to have a chomper wall in my map

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/qxLb8Adn.png

[tight fractal]

The brand new $5 chicken basket from kfc?

Eh

Close enough

[mortal narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600354549496021003/603282712610209792/bruh.png?width=1180&height=684
time to port my wip quake map to dusk

[long anchor]

@iron needle

1. you grab pistol and these 3 soldiers (s), 2. you'll probably see these coins in canal, and you'll obv going to grab them, second coin pack lures you into tunnel that progresses the level, but 3. you'll be distracted by another soldier, so before you get to the tunnel you'll see another coin pack with shotgun.

I think it goes nice.

@honest stag BOOKS AND BEER

[honest stag]

i fuckin' love how you layout your levels my man lol

with drawings

so here's how it looks from in-game
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/ZJJxSD0b.png

[long anchor]

i like it too!

cause mapping is fun

[ancient depot]

That definitely makes an impression

damn

[honest stag]

sadly for the most part the pillars cover up the horns but still

[ancient depot]

Feels like a giant evil jukebox

[long anchor]

Vriska actually first time i added that books and beer sign the texture was slightly offset and it was "and beer books"

[honest stag]

lol that leaves a cool mystery
what the hell could there be in addition to beer books

[long anchor]

like this

[honest stag]

i like it lol

[gritty forge]

where is the possessed soldier folder in /sounds there's only the beta version

[mortal narwhal]

@honest stag looks a lot better now, nice

[gritty forge]

Modern arts and beer books

[long anchor]

@gritty forge 1 sec

[honest stag]

man it's crazy how much lighting impacts how good the map looks

[long anchor]

sounds/vo

[honest stag]

learning more day by day

[long anchor]

files like spotted_1, stop_1, stop_him_1 etc

man it's crazy how much lighting impacts how good the map looks
yeah that's true

[gritty forge]

thx @long anchor

[long anchor]

np

ah fck it, it'll be "and beer books" sign now

that's better

[honest stag]

this entire section took me ~6 hours to make somehow + a skeleton made out of brushes
i think it's time to move on to the actual part of the level

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/3tcGuTzx.png

hm i need to make frames for the windows

[long anchor]

oh yesss

frames

i also need frames for my windows

[ancient depot]

those windows make me wish we had func_breakable ready

[long anchor]

func_breakable when

I PLACED BEER ON MY MAP

HOLY SHIT

[gritty forge]

The lamps could have a bit more details.
What is the roadwork texture on the bottom left?

[long anchor]

Y E S

[honest stag]

there is an open trapdoor which leads to the actual part of the maps which isnt made yet

i'll change it later

BEER

place some books too

[long anchor]

BEER BOOKS

[gritty forge]

Imagine a mod where there's an enemy that can use the dreaded soap

[ancient depot]

not a mod where the enemy is the soap

[long anchor]

A N D B E E R B O O K S

[gritty forge]

A mod where you can only see the enemies if you quaff enough beer

[long anchor]

^

[gritty forge]

That should have been a secret meme Dusk level

[long anchor]

def

[gritty forge]

Maramax and beer books!

[iron needle]

I'm gonna look at implementing func_breakable tonight

[long anchor]

[mortal narwhal]

nice

what was that update this morning?

[honest stag]

there wasnt

[long anchor]

dll fix that crashed the game

[honest stag]

yea so zombie took it back

[mortal narwhal]

o

[long anchor]

Also Vriska

making layouts is nice for later comparisons

before

[honest stag]

so far i am kinda twisted on how the map looks lol

[long anchor]

after

[honest stag]

damn that is actually cool but i'm too lazy to make that

[long anchor]

for some reason mapping is the only thing where i try not being lazy lol

[honest stag]

I made frames! and one of them is broken, just like the window
what was there anyway...
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/1p1RA06G.png

oh shit fuck i made a fallen piece but the piece is still on the frame

i'm a dummy

[rocky prairie]

Very much looking forwards to being able to play these...

[long anchor]

[rocky prairie]

Bah!

(Good work all round, though!)

[honest stag]

man i'm legit actually felling happy right now just because i'm doing this
i always wanted to make maps and here i am making one for a game i like and it's turning out to be not too bad

[long anchor]

@rocky prairie thanks

[mortal narwhal]

@ancient depot Does dusk need your .bsp to be passed through vis.exe at all?

[ancient depot]

We don't use VIS information currently, so for now there's no point in doing so

[honest stag]

http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/7JD3spxq.png so uh i ran out of ideas, this section is pretty much done but i dont know what to put in this empty spot
i dont think players will look there but still, what could be there?

[toxic forge]

@ancient depot If you're reading triangles from BSP I guess func_detail_wall or func_detail_fence should work as intended, right?

[mortal narwhal]

nice

vis always ate up my compiling time

[ancient depot]

Those entities won't currently work because we haven't defined them

But I'll add them now so they show up in the next patch

[rocky prairie]

Rafters always look good

[long anchor]

@honest stag maybe detail thingy?

[honest stag]

yeah what kind of detail though

[toxic forge]

func_detail_wall is interpreted as geometry though, not as entity, should be available as geometry with less cuts

[ancient depot]

Note that if those entities get baked into the geometry (if your map compiler supports them), then they will work, yes

[toxic forge]

yeah

good

cause geometry like this: http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/1p1RA06G.png

will ptoduce a lot of unnecessary cuts

[fresh pivot]

jank but I got a map loaded

[long anchor]

@honest stag don't know, maybe a sign of some sort, something like this:

[honest stag]

hm i dunno, cool idea but the demos is already taking up the "sign" spot
hmmmm actually what if there was some kind of cult sign throught the maps? that's a really damn cool idea
like a bootleg dusk cult symbol lol

[long anchor]

tusk cult

[honest stag]

SUKD

[long anchor]

haha

[mortal narwhal]

@fresh pivot gore church?

[fresh pivot]

very old WIP map I was fiddling with in quake with textures from blood

scaled up by 1.5x

[honest stag]

i cant put a diamond behind the portal :(

[mortal narwhal]

my wads arent working :(

[long anchor]

@honest stag what do you mean? can't put it there because it's solid?

@mortal narwhal don't know if anything besides quake and dusk wads work

[honest stag]

seems like there's not enought space or it's just bugging out and falling through the floor again

[ancient depot]

Are they external texture wads or wads that you used to embed textures in the BSP?

If they're external wads then you need to wait for the next patch, where we added support for them

[mortal narwhal]

They are external yeah

But I do like dusk textures so I'll just repaint

[long anchor]

ok now when my map is much bigger than before its obvious that there are performance issues

[honest stag]

pretty sure that's just the sdk being early

[long anchor]

and i made like what, a bit more then half of it?

@honest stag yeah Zombie said it is

[sharp trail]

@mortal narwhal is that an office map?

[long anchor]

but it didn't lag for me before

and now it lags like ass

[mortal narwhal]

@sharp trail yep

I have a screenshot of it with quake textures

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/600354549496021003/600402751670714406/office.png?width=1442&height=555

[pearl fox]

So I'll just be able to put texture wads in the texture folder post patch?

[ancient depot]

in the same location as palette.lmp

[honest stag]

is that your map Mc?

[mortal narwhal]

Yeah

[honest stag]

that looks sick my man

[ancient depot]

we support both WAD2 and WAD3, but WAD2 files require palette.lmp to be present

[mortal narwhal]

thanks, the scale is a bit off but I can adjust the ceilings ez

I got into quake mapping so I could get into Dusk mapping lol

[long anchor]

@mortal narwhal i really like how it looks, especially on pic 1 and 6

[mortal narwhal]

thanks man :)

[long anchor]

😄

[mortal narwhal]

@ancient depot is there currently a way to scale how big dusk dude is?

[fresh pivot]

I think you have to scale the entire level

[long anchor]

for some reason these guys notice me even tho i'm behind their backs

[honest stag]

@mortal narwhal you can just scale the entire level without selecting the info player start

[mortal narwhal]

alrighty

[long anchor]

even scaling up level isn't an easy task

since you have to move all entities to their proper position

once you scale it up i mean

[mortal narwhal]

My pc dies whenever scaling more than 5 brushes

[long anchor]

also this, ye

[mortal narwhal]

yeah rip my light placements

[long anchor]

🇷 🇮 🇵

[mortal narwhal]

OH SHIT

[long anchor]

ok for some reason it starts lagging only after entering this building

@ancient depot what might it be?

[mortal narwhal]

my quake texture version works nice

[long anchor]

@mortal narwhal wat

how did you fix it?

[mortal narwhal]

palette.lmp in the mymod\maps folder

I misread the pin

[long anchor]

wait what

it should be in mod root

how's it working then

big lol

[mortal narwhal]

dunno, werks on my machine ™️

mymaps is my mod root btw

[long anchor]

sdk type mystery

yeah, i see

[ancient depot]

@long anchor can you try opening any door and seeing if the same behaviour applies?

[long anchor]

ok

all of them make game lag apparently

[ancient depot]

I'm almost 100% certain of the cause then

but it means we'll lose AI pathing support for moving platforms for now

[long anchor]

rip

[iron needle]

@ancient depot that's not a huge problem for the moment since we don't have full support for the player being on them anyway

[ancient depot]

yeah

gonna commit the change

seems to remove the stuttering on my end too

Luckily because we support doors that start in an opened state, the nav mesh will bake with this platform shut away:

So we won't have enemies walking on an invisible floor across the chasm

[iron needle]

Likely we'll be putting the patch out within the next day or two

[honest stag]

welp, i'm tired and it's 3:00 on the clock so i probably need to hit the bed
but! here's the level so far for anyone who wants to see it with their own eyes
i made some changes and added 2 secrets (1 is broked)

[long anchor]

nice, patch soon

nice, new map to play

[honest stag]

eh, it has 2 rooms and 2 enemies

[long anchor]

nice, what a wonderful day

nice, that's all i'm going to say

[hard stone]

fortnite dusk mod

has been made

[fluid nimbus]

you can't say that without showing us

[hard stone]

yes

[faint summit]

Uh oh

[tepid flint]

@hard stone show us

[hard stone]

i cant post images

[long anchor]

use imgur lol

[hard stone]

one sec

[long anchor]

@honest stag i made it to the top without noclip

also, skelebone looks awesome

[mortal narwhal]

@honest stag that would be cool if you used up this space up top for later in the level

[long anchor]

maybe some kind of bridge?

[mortal narwhal]

^

just to make sure players see the effort put up there

and its cool

[honest stag]

Lol good parkour veven
Well i kinda intend for player to not return here
There is a hatch going down below the church and then this turns into a horror level

[fluid nimbus]

someone's gonna export the entire skyrim map as one model, add collisions to it and let peoples play it
anyone that has a pc with high enough ram/ a good enough gpu/cpu to not fucking crash that is

[long anchor]

skysk

with sickles, sword and crossbow as the only weapons you can use lol

[honest stag]

But i dunno I have some ideas actually
Like copying this entire section, and then make a teleport at the end of the level which leads there, but now the main door opens! Ans you fight a boss

[mortal narwhal]

@honest stag very nice start to the map btw

oh yeah that sounds dope

[long anchor]

^

[honest stag]

Ey thanks, i hope i dont forget fhis lol

[long anchor]

hmm

what func could we use to make certain brush move up and down endlessly?

not now, just in future

[tepid flint]

Train?

[mortal narwhal]

yeah train

[long anchor]

train?

[tepid flint]

func_train

[long anchor]

alright

yeah got it

thanks

[tepid flint]

Just don't forget to make an initial path_corner a target of the last path_corner @long anchor

[honest stag]

It's not supported bte

Btw*

[long anchor]

not now, just in future

yep

[honest stag]

I think zombie sajd something specifically about func_train

Dont remember what tho

[tepid flint]

What funcs are available now?

[honest stag]

1 sex

[tepid flint]

"func_train won't even spawn because it has no class implemented"

[honest stag]

Sec*

[mortal narwhal]

;))))

[long anchor]

;))))))))))))))))))

is this like second chins

[honest stag]

I am sleepy so i xant hit tiny buttons right ok

[mortal narwhal]

lol

[honest stag]

Cant find the full func_ support list sadly

[mortal narwhal]

its in the pins

the entities.txt thing

[long anchor]

nah

all funcs and triggers are listed here

[gritty forge]

Did anyone check out my repaired sound effects?

[long anchor]

even that not implemented yet

@gritty forge i didn't even see it lol

gimme gimme

[gritty forge]

Want me to upload it again?

[mortal narwhal]

sure thang

[gritty forge]

It's a link, not a direct upload, since it's almost 50 meg.

[honest stag]

Is it a complete mod? If it is drop it into moddb

[gritty forge]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14iz8BURxzf6e5gIBK_-jQDMc2cq0tTHg/view?usp=sharing

It isn't necessarily complete, since not all sounds have been released yet.

Darth said there are still more.

[honest stag]

Eh, at least so far

[long anchor]

^

[honest stag]

Moddb mods csn be updated too

[gritty forge]

Yeah, but it doesn't tell people. ModDB should have a downloadable program that can automatically install updates.

[honest stag]

It cant but you can!

[lunar shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546002895502311435/663447119687843870/unknown.png

wip my hands hurt

[rocky prairie]

Wow

[honest stag]

Wowww that looks amazing

[gritty forge]

Yeah, but it all falls onto the downloader, since they are the ones who have to install it, not me.

[long anchor]

looking good

[lunar shale]

ty

[gritty forge]

@lunar shale Stardew fan I see.

[lunar shale]

yep thats me

[gritty forge]

My repaired sounds fixes some questionable eq, clipping, and downsamples anything over 48kHz.

Some sounds are downmixed to mono, too.

[fluid nimbus]

can I start making level geometry in trenchbroom using the quake profile and then switch the profile to the dusk profile or whatever later down the line without remaking everything?

[honest stag]

Yo indigo, how does this map scale in relation to the player? Is it a huge ass castle? Pls tell me it is

[lunar shale]

let me get in the game

its like

pretty big

[gritty forge]

I hope Dave can put them into the actual game, because it would not only sound better, but decrease the file size as well, which would be great for people who get the Switch version.

[lunar shale]

i havent done the sky and the lights yet

[tight fractal]

Prolly won’t tbh

[honest stag]

Sky cant be done now sadly unless you fake it

[fluid nimbus]

anyone?

[long anchor]

@fluid nimbus we really don't know

[gritty forge]

This sound was redone to sound more real. I am not spamming... Just showing it again.

[fluid nimbus]

oof

[honest stag]

^

[fluid nimbus]

lol

[lunar shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546002895502311435/663448435390808064/unknown.png?width=988&height=677

if anything i can just scale it all down a bit

[half vessel]

we were toying around with some new sounds for jusk a few hours ago

[tepid flint]

Scale it

U P

[honest stag]

i'd make it bigger

[lunar shale]

im planning on expanding it

[half vessel]

the current hup is kinda painful to the ears

[long anchor]

i like joof tho

[graceful hinge]

how dare, hup spam is the glorious dusk anthem

[long anchor]

so even dusk dude is now BJ

[half vessel]

i mean

the hup was good

and I mean the JUSK hup

uh

let me dig it up

[gritty forge]

@half vessel Here you go. Fixed it.

[half vessel]

this is the current jusk hup

it's uh

interesting

[fluid nimbus]

obviously need to get david/dave/whomever to record new big john lines for john dusk

[half vessel]

dave

[lunar shale]

make a boss called bigger john

[half vessel]

john duskman

[fluid nimbus]

davington

[honest stag]

What if there was an oil platform map
Doesn't that sound kinda cool

[gritty forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSyz9eP3tM0&feature=youtu.be

[lunar shale]

endless mode oil platform

[half vessel]

oooh

[honest stag]

Yeah yeah yeah

[half vessel]

it'd be good for endless

[honest stag]

You can climb pretty high but beware of falling into water and dying
Ohhh i'm saving that for later

[half vessel]

@gritty forge i like the pistol retexturing

[gritty forge]

HD Quake guns anyone?

[honest stag]

You mean sounds or textures

[gritty forge]

Made them myself. Don't worry, they stay true to the OG in every way.

Sounds.

[tight fractal]

Sean what’s your opinion on quake epsilon

[long anchor]

@gritty forge nice work

[gritty forge]

The creator is an asshole.

[tight fractal]

Fair enough

You just passed a test

[gritty forge]

I asked him if I could help, he first accepted, but later on, he called me a creep.

[half vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286451948188860416/663313795707568178/unknown.png

[tight fractal]

Ohwait

[honest stag]

Oh no

[tight fractal]

What’s your opinion on quake hd texture packs

[gritty forge]

QRP is nice, the other one isn't.

[tight fractal]

Also that’s cursed

Please delete

[half vessel]

everything that me or @supple radish touches in the sdk is cursed

[tight fractal]

Yikes

[gritty forge]

Check out those weapons, they aren't Mindgrid. Pinky promise.

[lunar shale]

wendigos but they are invisible like spectres from doom

[half vessel]

jusk was a fucking terrible idea

[lunar shale]

when you shoot them

respectively

[graceful hinge]

Is shootable func button/door secret working? Seems to just be activating the trigger immediately 😦

[long anchor]

nope

func button isn't here yet

[graceful hinge]

RIP

[half vessel]

it's coming in the next update isn't it

[honest stag]

Wendigo but instead of breathing they make a sound of quick footsteps

[long anchor]

yes

[lunar shale]

wendigo but they hup

[graceful hinge]

Excellent 😄

[gritty forge]

Wendigo, but it leaps like the Kleer Skeleton.

how can i make maps? the "custom level" thing is just empty

[graceful hinge]

TrenchBroom is what you want

[lunar shale]

you need trenchbroom

[half vessel]

or worldcraft

[honest stag]

Or jack

[lunar shale]

theres like a guide on yt

how to use trenchbroom

[gritty forge]

thx

[half vessel]

anything that spits out bsp format maps

[honest stag]

Correct ones at least

[half vessel]

excluding source

and like

quake 2 i think

[gritty forge]

It's funny how some weapon firing sounds are lower pitched than the actual .flac files.

wait hammer works with dusk?

[lunar shale]

anything that gets you a bsp file in the end

[honest stag]

I guess not because source bsp isnt supported

[gritty forge]

Here is one of those weapon sounds for those who don't believe me.

[half vessel]

@gritty forge nope

worldcraft for goldsource works though

i haven't tested hl2beta worldcraft yet

hmmmmm

[lunar shale]

riveter sounds replaced with the original from tf2

also im pretty sure hammer works but i havent tested it nor im planning to

im cozy the way things are

[honest stag]

Yeah trenchbroom seems to do the job just right

And simply, too

[gritty forge]

I wonder if HL1 alpha worldcraft works lol

[weak vessel]

Might have some extra raw audio files I can zip up that were all home-made that I can dump for you all to do what you like with.

I'll check later tonight to see what isn't in use on projects

[honest stag]

Some folk here would love that

[half vessel]

okay

tested it

hl2beta maps

do not load

[weak vessel]

no promises, but ill try

[ancient depot]

They wouldn't since they're Source BSP, albeit earlier versions

[half vessel]

they were compiled using worldcraft

but yeah

[ancient depot]

worldcraft is just old hammer

[half vessel]

worldcraft in name

not so much in function

it does have that midi though

[gritty forge]

Did someone say "The Original from TF2"?

[lunar shale]

perfection

[gritty forge]

The shooting part I found on Sound Ideas.

Fun fact: It's a cannon.

If anyone wants to make their own original Quake gun, use this.

Most of the stock sounds used in 90s games are from sound ideas

Yeah, I know.

I love how ironic they are because of their over-use

Same goes for lots of modern games.

Halo's guns are stock.

If anyone wants to HUUH in Dusk, here you go!

[cosmic copper]

is it possible to do transparent textures like the metal bars or fences yet>

[gritty forge]

I would assume so, since they are PNGs.

[ancient depot]

Not currently

[gritty forge]

Oh.

[ancient depot]

We don't support transparency for Q1 or HL BSP yet

It works for Q3 BSP though since it just loads PNGs from the textures folder

[honest stag]

That should be pinned at this point

[ancient depot]

lmao

[cosmic copper]

ok thx

[honest stag]

Hey if you want a fence anyway - you can make it with brushes
1 long vertical stick copied and pasted over 1 long horizontal stick which was copied and pasted a lot

The result os a 3d fence that you can see and shoot through

Is*

• you can make any part of it have any texture

[long anchor]

me back

me bring tea

me happy

[gritty forge]

Veven want to HUUH?

[long anchor]

HUUH?

[gritty forge]

HUUH.

[long anchor]

HUUH!

[gritty forge]

A couple posts up, you can find it.

[long anchor]

yeah i've seen it

[gritty forge]

Will creating powerups ever be possible?

[long anchor]

yes

[honest stag]

Probably
Scripting will be a thing so why not

[long anchor]

^

[honest stag]

Welp gotta hit the bed
(Ping me if you post a map i'm hungry for them lol)
C ya l8r

[long anchor]

gn

[gritty forge]

do i set up dusk in trenchbroom with the "generic" thingy it shows when i press new map?

[long anchor]

i suggest using quake

[gritty forge]

?

[long anchor]

quake preset in TB

[gritty forge]

oh ok

[hoary shadow]

i can't the crossbow to load in my map 😭

i took an entity and change the class_name to weapon_crossbow... but still it will not show up when i load the map 😭

[long anchor]

maybe it falls through the floor?

try moving it up

[hoary shadow]

thank you will try

[long anchor]

np

[gritty forge]

i set up quake with the dusk paths and now trenchbroom is going senile and screaming about stuff like "could not load mode wizard" or something

[sour hollow]

I feel ya

I couldn't play my own map once

some dumb fuck error dun it unplayable.

[hoary shadow]

still didn't work :/.... i placed it pretty high and still it won't show.... i've made monsters this way, and other guns but the crossbow won't work 😦

[acoustic hedge]

you HAVE to use the default quake paths for now

if you want the models to load

[gritty forge]

so i have to have a quake port?

[acoustic hedge]

i think they are in trenchbroom

nope you have to have quake files

[hoary shadow]

but i managed to ad both monster_wendigo and monster_scientist.

add*

[acoustic hedge]

models or entities

im guessing entities

[hoary shadow]

yes

[acoustic hedge]

yeah you can edit entity names

but dacco is talking about the models
right now trenchbroom does not have dusk support, or to add enemy models from dusk

[balmy thorn]

How to make the treelines/fences etc transparent?

[acoustic hedge]

we cant right now

[balmy thorn]

😢

[acoustic hedge]

will be in

[balmy thorn]

Nice

[hoary shadow]

okay sorry... i'm having issues with getting a crossbow in my level. 😭 it won't show up I've made an entity with classname weapon_crossbow and placed it on a good spot... but i could not see it.. so i changed the location of a couple of times but it still won't show... 😭

[balmy thorn]

Did anyone else get it to work? There was an issue with a few other weapons as well but they were addressed in a hotfix.

You probably have to wait for the issue to be solved.

[hoary shadow]

okay thank you 🙂

[balmy thorn]

No problem 😉

[gritty forge]

I'm confused, how are we supposed make levels for Dusk?

[candid kestrel]

so with this sdk we can load up maps from other games right?

[tepid flint]

@gritty forge trenchbroom

@candid kestrel some games

[sharp trail]

Ok pls people when you set up dusk pls just don‘t put it somewhere neat the dusk folders. Make a separate folder you can download a finished one from the trenchbroom beginner tutorial made by dumptruck_ts

@gritty forge you only need the quake startmap wad or whatever it‘s called

[gritty forge]

KREUZER, do you have a link to that trenchbroom tutorial?

[sharp trail]

https://youtu.be/gONePWocbqA just do what he tells you in the video

[gritty forge]

Thank you.

[candid kestrel]

so its possible to load quake maps?

[verbal peak]

Yes

[craggy frigate]

yall where do i get the quake 1 bsp

[still raptor]

You buy quake

Then use the bsps

[craggy frigate]

i have quake

i dont have bsps

[still raptor]

Ah, they're in the .pak files

[craggy frigate]

well that sucks

[sharp trail]

@craggy frigate check the video

[craggy frigate]

ok

[left robin]

Oh man - Dumptruck's videos lit up a fire storm for me, great tutorials.

[craggy frigate]

didnt have to @ me

but ight

[left robin]

his Discord is also a treasure trove of info and help

[sharp trail]

You can use the start wads

[brittle solstice]

So I was reading the pinned post. Model replacement isn't in yet, I got that, but can you replace textures on weapons at this time?

[long anchor]

yes

[brittle solstice]

Good stuff. I'll have to mess around with it.

[craggy frigate]

ok i dont understand still: how do i extract bsp files from pak files?

[gritty forge]

I use PakExpl

https://github.com/msx752/PakExplorer/releases

I don't understand, do I need Quake 1 for this to work?

I don't know if I'm suppose to replace certain files for Dusk, instead of Quake, which this tutorial was originally made for.

[iron needle]

Refer to the channel pins and see if those help

[gritty forge]

Hey David any plans for bsp2 support?

[iron needle]

I thiiiink? You'd have to confirm with @ancient depot

[gritty forge]

also you should probably change your color

we have really similar colors right now

[verbal peak]

Not any separate colors left to use.

[gritty forge]

[craggy frigate]

ok i think i got it

[hollow laurel]

think we already have bsp2

[verbal peak]

Side effect of tons of roles

[hollow laurel]

but not quake2 bsp

since i'm compiling with -bsp2 and dusk loads it fine

[gritty forge]

oh I guess it's something with my map then

[summer dagger]

wait is there a way to get dusk's textures in j.a.c.k?

[gritty forge]

theres a .wad file somewere

[craggy frigate]

i extracted the quake 1 bsps and put them into dusk sdk map folder, do I need anything else for them?

[gritty forge]

actually check pinned I think theres a program to generate one

@craggy frigate the palette file

[summer dagger]

hmm i see

[gritty forge]

palette.lmp

[craggy frigate]

where do i get that?

in the pak files?

pak0 and pak1

[gritty forge]

yeah sound be in a gfx folder or something

[craggy frigate]

ok thanks

[gritty forge]

else I can send you it

[craggy frigate]

hey there it is

i just drop that into the map folder too?

or nah?

actually i think that is a dumb question

so where do i put the palette file

[still raptor]

Yeah we already have bsp2

[hoary juniper]

So how long until we have fingerbones ported to Dusk?

[craggy frigate]

lul

@gritty forge sorry for pinging but where do i put the palette file?

[gritty forge]

next to your maps folder

[craggy frigate]

ok