it's so ancient
#dusk-modding
alpine depot
ebon jetty
hammer 2 on the horizon boys
alpine depot
thank FUCK
torpid agate
Trenchbroom has the easiest learning curve imo
solid isle
What don't you like about Hammer besides ancient and archaic?
alpine depot
i'd be churning out hl1/hl2 maps if hammer wasn't so atrocious
late forum
I make stuff in unity and having to mod a unity game with software that traces roots to 1998 makes me consider sudoku
solid isle
like, specifically
late forum
its ridiculously complex and making stuff work often feels like black magic
solid isle
??
honest stag
for me hammer was just... confusing
very confusing
but i see how people like it
alpine depot
as another fellow unity user i cant wait to be able to make custom scripts and whatnot when that arrives with the SDK
late forum
lighting etc especially
torpid agate
Hammer is confusing as hell to me
solid isle
you make sealed rooms and put a light in it
same as any other editor
honest stag
yeah i couldnt even make that properly
late forum
I ran into a lot of glitching in my attempted tf2 mapping shenanigans
solid isle
is that Homestuck Big John?
honest stag
Vriska John in fact
solid isle
the Source Engine being held together by duct tape and spit is a meme
late forum
seems accurare in my experience
solid isle
perpetuated by a lot of people just saying that shit over and over again
late forum
its amazing how far its been pushed but
hard pollen
It definitely is held together by duct tape and spit, especially by modern standards.
late forum
its got very tight limits
solid isle
"I saw a shitty looking map once, so it must be true"
chrome wagon
You could add that to dusk as a skin now =P
late forum
it wasnt never meant to do more than what you would do in 2004
solid isle
so?
We're making Quake/ HL-grade maps
hard pollen
I've just never liked working with brushes.
late forum
just not something I am never gonna even attempt with anything other than trenchbroom
hard pollen
Working with meshes is just, more enjoyable for me.
solid isle
and on the otherhand, I hate meshes, and making them is really slow
late forum
brushes speed dev time so much
honest stag
brushes are pretty much the dream for me
like literally just clicking and dragging to make a wall and then doing whatever the hell you want with it with 2-3 clicks
solid isle
and in games made of brushes, it's dummy quick and easy for me to make stuff
late forum
realtimecsg is basically brushes for unity right
solid isle
uhhh ProBuilder I think
chrome wagon
there should be an doom builder equivalent for quake =P
late forum
the fact that progrids and builder are technically unity but not properly integrated is my fave part
solid isle
I thought they've been integrated for a few years now
chrome wagon
trenchbroom is my 2nd experience on attempting to make a 3d map. The default editor from doom 3 was the first one.
All i've managed to do so far was few interconnected rooms.
iron needle
realtimecsg is basically brushes for unity right yup. And at this point we almost have our own fork of it thanks to the many things @fiery dome has been doing to fix stuff for Gloomwood level design lol
late forum
they are downloadable but the integration isnt easy in my experience
nice, I might have to check it out, david
solid isle
oh man realtimecsg looks kind of hot
fiery dome
Why is my name Dillow Pillow still lmao
iron needle
Also yes, PB is NOT a level design tool, and I know cause I made 33+ levels with the damn thing and switching to bsp was like a spiritual moment lol
Current NB games are using a mix
late forum
also be a lad and opensource the rcsg branch :V
iron needle
Although tbf I hear PB brush support has gotten better
fiery dome
It is! Let me get the link
solid isle
what kind of tool is PB then?
late forum
PB is much better for mapping now than what is was back thwn
solid isle
I used it a bit and it seems fine
late forum
@solid isle basically it used to be just "make meshes and maps maybe"
then unity bought it as an in editor level editor
hard pollen
PB is just modelling in Unity.
late forum
but had to improve it a lot
solid isle
I see. That makes a bit more sense.
hard pollen
Personally I'm the type to like keeping their game dev tool and their 3D asset creation tool separate.
late forum
I havent used either rcsg or probuilder on unity yet because I am a fucking caveman
hard pollen
I'd rather use two good tools than one kinda dodgy tool.
late forum
three dodgy tools because they are easy
🤔
though one question @iron needle
would it ever be possible to make dusk levels as unity scenes some way or the other?
fiery dome
https://github.com/ForbiddenDonut99/realtime-CSG-for-unity
I'm still working on some selection code, so some stuff like box select doesn't work right. It has a lot of fixes for misclicks over the default RCSG branch though.
And yeah I still use PB for stuff. RCSG isn't really good for super organic stuff. So I still use for terrain and cliffs and stuff. But buildings/tunnels/arches/ect. are all RCSG.
iron needle
Yeah the version of PB I used for Dusk is old at this point. I'm sure it's better now, and I mean... we still use it for organic/assorted stuff
but I really love RCSG and that workflow
not having to worry about topology = 10/10
late forum
I just stuck to random generation/2d/using meshes so far
but next couple projects will require bigger tools so im glad I listened to you guys' retrospectives
also will the scripting language for dusk sdk be c#?
solid isle
DUSKC when
alpine depot
i think zombie said that he had to convert the codebase to C# or something like that so it'll probably be C#? maybe? hopefully?
or maybe it'll be in Scratch
honest stag
DUSC
solid isle
ebon jetty
how do you make something that ends a level
ancient depot
we fixed buttons spawning in random spots btw lol
honest stag
oh hey cool
but they still dont work right?
ebon jetty
nice
ancient depot
they should partially work in the next patch
like they should be able to trigger doors and stuff
honest stag
oooh yes
ebon jetty
any word on dusk objects that seem to have textures brightness maxed or whatever it is
|| and lighting :v ||
ancient depot
no worries lol
solid isle
What's that yellow sky people are using?
I need something other than solid black sky textures
solid isle
just not sealing the map?
ebon jetty
make sure your worldspawn has light btw
but yeah i don't do anything it looks like that default for me
solid isle
must be a trenchbroom thing in which it doesn't give a shit about a map being sealed
alas I must wait for skies :[
ebon jetty
im using trenchbroom
ebon jetty
rip
ancient depot
@ebon jetty nothing you can do to fix that atm, it's a navmesh problem
we need to tweak how the game generates it for pathing
same thing causes enemies to sometimes warp to an upper/lower floor
ebon jetty
i figured
lol
i just realized
i was accidently placing rifle clips instead of mg clips
what's the noclip command again
nvm
found ti
@ancient depot im just double checking because my memory isn't serving me well atm. is there a known problem with ammo and backpacks spawning way lower than it should
little bay
https://i.imgur.com/khkDic1.png grinding my way through the textures
ebon jetty
aka the ground
ancient depot
yes
ancient depot
we had a temp fix before but it broke other stuff so we removed it
ebon jetty
lol
ancient depot
it made other stuff spawn below the floor lol
ebon jetty
the good ol' one fix breaks 50 things
lament ore
@ancient depot btw, can we get a "prop_generic" of some sort? Something to allow us to set dress with IQM models i.e. by placing a prop_generic, specifying the model, and (optionally) specifying the animation to use
Would also be nice if we could somehow set the collisions if we want to override whatever Unity automatically generates
ancient depot
we'll be adding the generic props later on when we have custom models in yeah
lament ore
kewl
ancient depot
Unity just uses the model itself for collision, so I assume you want to be able to use another entity/brush as the entity's collision?
honest stag
so i have a question about future duskworld maps
is there any chance of them joining the official rotation? because people dont usually host their own games and instead use the official servers
lament ore
Oh if that's the case it should be fine, I thought it generated a convex mesh that envelops the model?
But if it can handle concave meshes then w/e
ancient depot
It depends
If the object is not pushable, and it's not a trigger
it can be concave
otherwise it's forced convex
lament ore
that should probably be fine
ancient depot
@honest stag dunno, maybe/maybe not
undecided rn
but I personally think it'd be cool
lament ore
I would definitely like to see some improvements to DuskWorld to encourage a lasting community
Can't wait for co-op and full sdk
ancient depot
We'll be merging it into the SDK after coop
lament ore
Also - how will DuskWorld handle custom content? It'd be super annoying if everybody had to have everything downloaded BEFORE joining
but the Half-Life way of just downloading everything from the server is both messy and potentially dangerous
I think Gmod did a thing where like, servers could force you to subscribe to necessary things off the workshop
Although that too is kind of annoying because there's no separation between what you want to have downloaded and what some random server wanted you to have
Would be nice if server-needed content could somehow be encapsulated so it's only used when joining that server
ancient depot
It'd be super annoying if everybody had to have everything downloaded BEFORE joining
Depending on how things go, it'll likely start out that way but I absolutely want to support servers sending content
As for keeping that content, we can totally expose that as a setting yeah
lament ore
In that case, servers should have a way to show people a link like "Hey, go subscribe to this collection on the workshop before joining"
but that's a future worry obv
ancient depot
I'd rather avoid recommending people to do that because it would cause issues for non-Steam players
honest stag
not a thing yet
ancient depot
it's on our trello, we just haven't added it yet
balmy jetty
its funny yall mention that because i was just trying to figure out why in Garrys Mod i dont have the stuff i got from a server in single player. i enabled all addons. i have like 30 gigs of crap in cache and none of it shows up. very offtopic but if anyone knows msg me
i thought i was being smart going into ridiculous vehicle modification based servers to download all their crap without having to individually find and subscribe to every single one
alpine depot
where's the pistol draw sound? i cant seem to find it anywhere
honest stag
does this fit?
ebon jetty
i forget
again
is there a way for doors to swing open
instead of just going into the wall
honest stag
iirc, func_door_rotating doesnt work yet
ebon jetty
ok
iron needle
yeah not yet
ebon jetty
okey dokey
alpine depot
cant find the pistol draw sound anywhere at all, does it share a draw sound with another weapon or something?
honest stag
set the angle property to -1
ancient depot
-2 for downwards, btw
ebon jetty
ye
ancient depot
wait isn't supported yet
ebon jetty
oh
ancient depot
doors won't auto close just yet
ancient depot
it's not hard to add or anything, it was just skipped over because more important features needed attention
iron needle
We got buttons working!
Mostly
The whole "X number left" still isn't in
But Dusk already supports that so prooobaky we just need to translate the right stuff
gritty forge
func_y
tight fractal
Func_n
gritty forge
func_no
tight fractal
thatsthejoke
honest stag
funcy_
astral mural
As much as I wanna get into all of this amazing SDK shenanigans, I'm probably gonna wait on making a full scale map.
tight fractal
That’s fine
We’ll be rolling out more and more features in the future
So in a few months you’ll have access to quite a few more tools
astral mural
Sounds great! That give's me plenty of time to get through the rest of the game.
honest stag
not to mention that some temp solutions will be obsolete later on and older maps will break
like props rotating
honest stag
same
ebon jetty
@honest stag do you know how to use func_breakable
unique ocean
I cannot for the love of god get textures into my maps
ebon jetty
don't know what to tell you if the dusk.wad isn't working
honest stag
it doesnt work i think
gritty forge
@tight fractal no func_y for funky.
honest stag
but normally func_breakable should also have a health value i think?
might be totally wrong here
like for the prop or a brush to know how much punishment it can take before breaking
honest stag
there is no way to have the player stripped from all weapons and remove his flashlight right
unique ocean
In Trenchbroom the textures show up perfectly fine, so its probably a problem with compiling
ancient depot
func_breakable isn't supported no
ebon jetty
rip
ancient depot
it's a dummy entity right now so it at least spawns
honest stag
@unique ocean do you have a palette file outside of your map folder?
ebon jetty
my map is far from finished but i figure someone might enjoy the mess it is at the moment
honest stag
i'll give it a go
ebon jetty
it's rough
unique ocean
No. Thats probably it
honest stag
@unique ocean
ebon jetty
to make it not feel bad
the open area gets better but it's a bit much with enemies at once i think
there's no end
fyi
once the light fix comes
im going to have to change
so much
i have a crap ton of lights in-game to compensate for it being broken
the map also is beatable in about
15 seconds
honest stag
eyyy that was pretty cool
ebon jetty
i like the city aesthetic
honest stag
i like the look of it
def better than my attempts
ebon jetty
im lucky this turned out as well as it did considering i've never used trenchbroom before
my little doom mapping experience helps
i like the city tho
it's just uh
honest stag
any secrets?
ebon jetty
there isn't a lot of textures for those
not at the moment
i've been tackling just getting the main layout done
the map has been revised several times with the flow
i made the city as a backdrop but it looked cool and i figured people probably would want to explore it in the end
so i opened it up where you can go into the road a bit
so that's changed the flow
i want it to feel fluid and easy to go about in, tackle then the props and such (i keep getting ahead of myself and trying to do this) and then add secrets
balmy jetty
so if anyone has played the Backwaters map that is up on the dusk moddb. can you tell me if these look black to you as well? https://imgur.com/a/yivmwoE
balmy jetty
rgr
ebon jetty
lighting is messed up atm
it's a vehicle from the looks of it
it appears like that even in my map when i had cars in one version
balmy jetty
so has anyone upped anything cool on discord over last day that i should check out?
ebon jetty
i uploaded a very uncomplete version of my map just a minute ago
there's stuff on moddb
but that's it
afaik
weait
there's one other map too
honest stag
i uploaded my maps but that doesnt count as cool
crystal lily
we need func_vehicle. So you can shoot out of a window while driving
honest stag
the one on moddb isnt approved yet, but i dropped an archive here
oh wait it is approved
nvm
ebon jetty
hold up
honest stag
man i am so proud of that shitty fence
honest stag
nope, i made it by hand from brushes
ebon jetty
you poor soul
honest stag
well i only had to make the vertical and the horizontal bar
then i just copy pasted them
ancient depot
ebon jetty
ay that's sick
ancient depot
buttons partially working
lapis hare
magnusson when he hears freeman burnt his lunch
honest stag
you know, that fence may be a temp solution but i like how it's not 2d at least
ebon jetty
when can i play hunt down the freeman in dusk
lament ore
weird how
crystal lily
Zombie, are you literally the only guy working on the SDK?
lament ore
o lol
ebon jetty
|| my shitpost was so bad he ignored it lol ||
lament ore
How does func_door currently work in Dusk?
ancient depot
Most of it was done by me, but in the past few weeks I've gotten some of the others to help out
For example, David added the support for buttons
ebon jetty
you choose a direction and a speed
should work from there
at least that's how it worked for me
crystal lily
David knows C#?
ebon jetty
it's in C i thought
balmy jetty
dang dude this Crash is a good little map
honest stag
ey thank you
i wish i could add good lighting to it
torpid agate
Noice
ebon jetty
checking out your map vriska
lament ore
@ebon jetty I'm aware, but there's an issue in (some?) HL maps where the direction is ignored, which is why I ask
ancient depot
I think we forgot to make one of the trigger types invisible lol
ebon jetty
hehe
ancient depot
OMG the vending machine buttons work
lament ore
like half-life's AAATrigger texture and whatnot
balmy jetty
@ebon jetty digging how yours is coming too
honest stag
i love how there seems to be more people making maps for dusk that playing them lol
lament ore
I'm waiting for the FGD before I really start hammering some maps out
balmy jetty
@ebon jetty i noticed there was a dude on the roof. would be cool to have a way up there and maybe some more dudes and a secret
i clipped up there just to see after i saw that one guy
balmy jetty
haha
ebon jetty
i am interested in making it go up
but the problem is i need to find a way to make a convincing backdrop
or change the skybox
aka i want to make it feel like you're in a city if i did that
rather than you can see the areas that are rough behind the scenes
if anything the best maps right now will be the ones in enclosed or places underground
ancient depot
honest stag
all these buttons are making me feel good
hard pollen
Hey Zombie when're we getting RAGE map support?
lament ore
So wait @ancient depot how are the HL1 maps textured if they don't support custom textures yet?
ebon jetty
@honest stag how could you do this to me
ancient depot
When I achieve a state of enlightenment
ebon jetty
how could you send me to a level that's just void
ancient depot
The textures are embedded in the maps
hard pollen
Understandable.
honest stag
oh the jump pad lol
lament ore
How do that intentionally? Cuz my earlier Half-Life map (with the door issue) the textures didn't work
ancient depot
I'm not sure, depends on your map compiler
There should be a setting to force textures to be embedded
hard pollen
I've never actually played with the RAGE mapping tools so I'm curious what formats they use and such.
lament ore
ebon jetty
@honest stag i found your smile
honest stag
oh i didnt think anyone would
try to find all 7 secrets (6 will do because 1 is kind of borked but you can find it)
ebon jetty
i found the first one where you || spawn ||
ancient depot
man, quake maps are a LOT more playable with buttons and triggers implemented
once we fix the water and get lifts in, they should be pretty much fully playable
crystal lily
I still can't get over that Quake doesnt have a "USE" key
honest stag
heh
ebon jetty
i can only find 3 atm
honest stag
hey is it me or the crossbow knockback is reeeealy strong in the sdk?
there's 2 in the starting area before you enter
3 in the factory
2 outside but before the stone tunnel
(1 of the outside secrets in kinda broken, but the trigger works)
ebon jetty
the starting area ones are great
long anchor
ayyy, back from the dead
honest stag
heyo
long anchor
heya!
honest stag
i dumped my map into the addons category of moddb, it's actually (sorta) finished
i have no clue how to make the third one, but i'll def wait a bit for future patches
long anchor
so we put maps in addons category?
honest stag
i did because moddb was an ass and i couldnt add it into "mods"
so i had to use "addons"
no difference really
long anchor
lol
that actually makes sense since you didn't change any sounds, textures etc
and it's basically an addon
honest stag
yeah basically
honest stag
i know what you did
good job
honest stag
i only noticed it after uploading, and whatever it's fine you can jump over anyway
long anchor
@acoustic hedge nice map you have here
honest stag
oh yeah his map was damn cool i liked it
long anchor
some pickups look like this tho
@honest stag did you upload something i didn't see on moddb?
honest stag
man, i REALLY shouldnt link this all the time
probably would have been better to dm it
long anchor
i can already see that you updated those maps
honest stag
other than that - nope
honest stag
the map is like 2x the size it used to be
long anchor
oh wow
honest stag
oh hell yes
buttons time?
long anchor
PogChamp
ancient depot
torpid agate
i chuckle everytime windows defender tries to stop me from downloading zombie's dll's
long anchor
@honest stag nice level, although levitating forklifts spoil the mood a little bit
🙂
honest stag
i hate myself for not noticing them before uploading lol
long anchor
@ancient depot game crashed
long anchor
lol
ancient depot
I guess this is another case of it wanting a full build
that's annoying
fuggin' Unity
long anchor
and you already unpinned previous dll
ancient depot
buttons, more triggers, support for master spawn points in half life maps
honest stag
🔘
ancient depot
and multi_manager
honest stag
which triggers if i may ask
long anchor
^
ancient depot
trigger_auto
trigger_multiple
trigger_once
trigger_secret
trigger_changelevel
multi_manager
are the triggers supported rn
honest stag
oh thank you
ancient depot
as in, with that patch
in the current steam build it's uh
just trigger_secret and trigger_changelevel I think
long anchor
noice
ancient depot
but yeah we'll have to wait until someone can get a new build on Steam sadly
I don't know how to publish builds to Steam so I can't do that currently
long anchor
Vriska wtf
honest stag
...where even is this
honest stag
ohhhh that place
i kinda relied on the player never seeing that aread but we have noclip do we
ancient depot
and rocket jumping :p
honest stag
those are entities which spawn under the floor for some reason
honest stag
oh yeah i didnt do any invisible walls
it's A FEATURE
long anchor
heh
like secrets that you can't trigger in doom or doom 2
don't remember
"it's a feature"
also, Vriska
i didn't find 2 secrets
lament ore
which weapon does item_cells give ammo to?
torpid agate
@honest stag dusks prequel
honest stag
quake remnants i guess?
long anchor
i guess that's something quakish
yea
Vriska where are all of the secrets
i found only 5
long anchor
that 4 secrets from previous versions and new one with Jakob
honest stag
so the ssg, the riveter which you helped me place, the hallowed health on the big barrel, 2 shotgus, shotgun ammo on the crane thing, top of the church cross (this is the borked one, there should be a HH but it's on a floor below, can get there via the big jump pad)
and jakob
lament ore
they're intentionally named to be the same fgd class as quake "equivalents" but that can also be kinda confusing lol
honest stag
i should have put a sword there, missed opportunity
long anchor
i mean no hurty with guns
honest stag
what
torpid agate
well throwing rocks at people counts as hurty so its a bit tricky
long anchor
cause i accidentally shot priestess once with pistol
torpid agate
ahh idk i mostly do pacifist when im tryhard
long anchor
ah, screw, let's see if it counts
long anchor
rip
honest stag
oooh that looks nice
long anchor
yeah, looks nice
torpid agate
I like them arches
long anchor
i had lava castle in quake, inspired by cathedral from e3m1
i suggest not using same texture everywhere
make it look diverse(?)
lunar shale
i was thinking of making it like the city of shadows level
yeah for now its just how i imagine it to look
ill add more detail later
long anchor
city of shadows Kreygasm
honest stag
so about 8 months ago someone used trenchbroom to make a map concept and we traded maps
i still have this guy's map and i dont know if he is still active
i wonder if it'll be ok if i compile the map and upload it - it looked SO GOOD
like really fuckin good
long anchor
ok, that's nice approach
lunar shale
you can probably google his social media
honest stag
i'll look for him in my discord dms
huh it seems like he's not on discord/hasnt posted here, even tho we traded maps in here
yeah he left this server it seems
what a shame
i dont think it's going to be super bad if i just show you guys a screenshot or 2
lunar shale
go ahead
long anchor
you pointed that it's not yours, so i think it's ok
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/LoTepT03.png
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/bq5a0M2n.png
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/EqXlI4Dq.png
fierce lava
At least give him credit if you do upload it
honest stag
i wont upload the map
small gate
that's a very distinctively quake map
long anchor
lookin good
errant ginkgo
Looks cool but will probably need to be scaled up a bit for Dusk
honest stag
yeah again, this was before we got dusk textures
errant ginkgo
Dusk guy is a big dude
honest stag
i was in shock lol
and i sent him my piece of shit "first" map i was so ashamed
honest stag
basically it's a huge shame he left the server
this already looked awesome and i wish he made a proper dusk map
lunar shale
maybe you can like continue on his legacy
honest stag
yeah looking back at this map is inspiring honestly
lunar shale
maybe you can tweak it and finish it
honest stag
nah i wont use it directly, but i like some of the stuff he did
honest stag
like this thing looks really damn cool and i wish i used it in my industrial crane thingy
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/E4QPRnDe.png
lunar shale
i mean you can use some of their ideas probably
i used to play this one online building game and people were borrowing ideas like crazy
gritty forge
How to win at quake 3 find a staircase and find a shotgun then "Camp" ( completely lock down and use it as cover going under it and over it constantly) the staircase with a shotgun
If you're going to get somebody who hasn't played the game for long they won't be able to kill you unless you fuck up
😂 👌
lunar shale
no beef about it too. only a fool would be mad about their waterslide design getting stolen
sterile junco
unique ocean
I don't know what I did but I have seemed to break lights completely on my map
honest stag
maybe you didnt compile them?
sometimes i uncheck things in the compiler and dont notice right away
small gate
remixing ideas is cool and beautiful. modding is full of people straight up taking modules, sprites, textures and shit and reusing it creatively
lunar shale
yeah
small gate
as long as you're not straight up flipping assets that is
gritty forge
Improvise adapt overcome
honest stag
ye, alright
i'll def look back to it when i'm making the next map
long anchor
@ancient depot ok, not only these triggers count as two, but for some insane reason this one doesn't trigger two secrets at the same time. I mean i can jump here, trigger secret, jump off, jump on and trigger it again
wtf
long anchor
no copies
ancient depot
secret triggers might not be set up right, I'll look into it
small gate
holy shit fuck doom's texture format
long anchor
that's kinda funny tho
small gate
all I wanted was a contiguous lump to load and be done, and what I've got is this composite mess
long anchor
ancient depot
Texture lumps in Quake BSPs are similar
honest stag
how the hell do your lights look so good
long anchor
i don't know honestly
honest stag
also music?
honest stag
ohh i see
half vessel
honest stag
it's the meat cube
half vessel
mouth and eye cube
torpid agate
i got tf2 vmfs to open in trenchboom and subsequently dusk. I'm assuming they handle floors differently in source cus floors broke
torpid agate
nah thats just brushes that dont render lol
honest stag
i was asking toaster
torpid agate
ah srry
half vessel
nope
honest stag
i tried using 2fort in dusk and nope
ancient depot
@torpid agate run the game using the batch file and you'll get an output log in etc/usr/
that log will display messages about missing entities
that'll give us a hint at what we need for that map to display right
@half vessel I tried putting out a small patch but it turns out we need to do a full build later for Steam so not yet
small gate
@torpid agate hmm, are the missing floors displacements?
they're not implemented AFAIK
and source games abuse the fuck outta displacements
torpid agate
prolly, i know all floor brushes show up as "undefined" when i open it in trenchboom
honest stag
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/nZlws0ZM.png
looks familiar 
also
are colored lights actually not supported yet? because
http://skrinshoter.ru/i/050120/H7NFZzHR.png
long anchor
lol
honest stag
jesus fuck
gritty forge
Who else wished modern games would allow you to turn texture filtering off, aka nearest mipmap
long anchor
are you going to raplace weapons with BJ once it will be possible?
long anchor
hand up
half vessel
that's a fantastic idea
small gate
big jusk, everything is big john
honest stag
dusk dude holds a tiny big john who is holding various weapons
half vessel
i can't tell what would be better
a gun made out of big johns
or a tiny big john holding a gun
long anchor
@gritty forge also i wish more modern games to have instruments for easy modding
honest stag
tiny big john holding a gun out of big johns
gritty forge
So like I play Fistful of frags with texture filtering off
Now if only csgo allowed me to
long anchor
oh god someone actually plays fistful of frags
half vessel
fistful of frags is good
gritty forge
Just go Hatchett and tracking
And bhop all over the map
long anchor
so FOF isn't so dead as i thought?
long anchor
lol
small gate
you can consistently find populated servers on FOF actually
gritty forge
Because of the way the jumping works
honest stag
man
when most features are introduced into dusk there's def going to be teams for mods
like 1 guy going models, other UI, third maps and so on
long anchor
what i like about FOF is shooting, or rather how it works
honest stag
which is awesome
long anchor
you literally need to learn how to shoot in fps
small gate
what I like about FOF is just how silly the mechanics of shooting make the gameplay like
long anchor
@honest stag yep
one of the reason why i even started mapping is because i really want to make big themed modpack
not gonna say what it is now
i'll keep it secret for now
honest stag
wild west styled campaign with revolvers and shit oh yes
long anchor
and what's good about being able to make modpacks in games like dusk is that you can call your shit "game" without actually making one
gritty forge
The only thing about Fistful of frags is I don't actually really ever use guns I use the bow and arrow and the hatchet
Lmao
small gate
wonder what the Final SDK's sourcecode will be licensed as
honest stag
man there is so much that can be done with the tools we already have i cant wait for more
like you can already have jdusk and on top of that make a fully big john themed map
lapis hare
wild west styled campaign with revolvers and shit oh yes
NOON
long anchor
i remember making melee only biulds in FOF and it was awesome
@honest stag yes, and that's why duskdevs are awesome
gritty forge
LMAO
long anchor
thanks, duskdevs!
gritty forge
@lapis hare sequels called MORN
lapis hare
what
gritty forge
Dusk
Noon
Morn
Ing
lapis hare
I N G
supple radish
lapis hare
precisely
honest stag
is that a fucking banana john
supple radish
me when making just textures
long anchor
ok i wanted to make a joke but that might be banable so no
gritty forge
That would be a hilarious series if ING was the best game
lapis hare
fucking dick kickem
long anchor
I N G
long anchor
lmao
ancient depot
@small gate It'll be MIT licensed
Or maybe ISC licensed
Haven't decided yet
As far as what you can actually do, both licenses are identical
small gate
absolutely based the lot of you
long anchor
i placed smaller trigger secret and now it counts as one
ancient depot
long anchor
might it be because of the size?
fluid nimbus
aren't there like several different MIT licenses
half vessel
have i ever mentioned how much i hate what i've created
fluid nimbus
some of them allow peoples to make money using your stuff etc
did you replace the picture of duskdude at the end with big john
fluid nimbus
no idea
half vessel
long anchor
cursed
fluid nimbus
blessed
fluid nimbus
new game + is you going through the game as big john to take down duskdude
and he taunts you by putting your face on everything
supple radish
lapis hare
and when big john wins he goes https://twitter.com/Coblin_Toota/status/1213634333606416385
supple radish
its low effort
fluid nimbus
oof
ancient depot
we disabled cutscenes because they broke when we migrated the codebase to a newer Unity version (which was necessary for the SDK)
fluid nimbus
so the new canon is that duskdude just fucking dies now
long anchor
nyarla's hentai power kills him
long anchor
love it
once scriting is a thing i hope for parkour mode
like
getting score for flips, longjumps etc
half vessel
can't wait for the titanfall mod
how do you make dusk even faster?
add slide hopping and wall running
lapis hare
and a grappling hook
lament ore
Hey all - I've created a temporary FGD file for DUSK to use until the official one comes out. It (should) have everything Dusk supports and nothing it doesn't. It also uses placeholder models from Quake for entities.
half vessel
it's bound to happen though
lament ore
Probably some errors here and there but it should help with mapping
fluid nimbus
👀
half vessel
there's a titanfall movement mod for hl2
long anchor
oh i'll try it
fluid nimbus
does it let you use individual textures instead of wads
lament ore
It doesn't have any of the set dressing stuff in it though since that stuff will be difficult to place properly until we can see the official models in the editor
@fluid nimbus that's up to the editor and I don't think any Quake-derived map editor supports that. Just throw whatever textures you want to use into a WAD and embed them in the map
lament ore
This is intended to be used with the Quake engine configuration
There's also HLTextureTools which is quite nice
honest stag
point it at a folder with pngs or whatever and use it
long anchor
try me map, please, i want some feedback. going to install fgd now
honest stag
hell yeah let's go
fluid nimbus
I know, I just don't want to be limited to quake's palette, or any palette tbh
honest stag
i'm loading it up
lament ore
Half-Life WADs aren't limited to a specific palette
honest stag
i mean dusk textures arent limited arent they
lament ore
So use HLTextureTools if you want to make a WAD not limited to a palette
fluid nimbus
I'm using my own textures
lament ore
You are limited to 256 colors, but each image can have any 256 colors
ancient depot
Yeah, I'm hoping to add WAD3 support to MakeWad for that reason
supple radish
the level transition to ratacombs is broken
ancient depot
Campaign level transitions seem broken in general at the moment
long anchor
@lament ore your fgd seems to work fine
supple radish
damn
lament ore
@long anchor screenshot pls I'm using JACK
honest stag
hell yeah your map looks damn fine
ancient depot
also
honest stag
plays well too, more enemies wouldnt hurt
ancient depot
this isn't known to most people but
you can change the name of your mod in the modding menu
and give it a preview image
lament ore
nice
long anchor
oh wow
ancient depot
You put a "description.xml" file in your mod folder
lament ore
Btw I noticed while making the FGD - the trigger solid entities aren't in entities.txt. They will be supported, right?
fluid nimbus
any way we could have maps organized into folder in the custom level name in a future update?
ancient depot
For example, here's the one I have for dusk (which I guess was accidentally left out of the Steam upload)
and here's preview.png
fluid nimbus
instead of all active mods's maps mixed together
lament ore
Specifically trigger_once and trigger_multiple
ancient depot
<content> is a list of stuff that your mod contains, separated by spaces
It can contain any of the following:
So for example, <content>Sounds Textures Levels</content>
honest stag
oh that's really cool actually
supple radish
yeah thats neat
honest stag
so preview.png should just be in the same place as the description?
ancient depot
it can be anywhere, description.xml specifies where it is
<descriptor>
<title>DUSK Base Content</title>
<author>David Szymanski</author>
<content>All</content>
<summary>The base content for DUSK.</summary>
<preview>preview.png</preview>
</descriptor>
the contents of the description.xml I just posted
lament ore
@ancient depot btw still no luck in getting ZHLT not to do the black lightmap thing. I don't think EricW's tools have an option to embed textures in the BSP so that's not super tenable atm. Any way we could get an explicit override option? E.g. a "fullbright" property on worldspawn that is either 0 or 1
ancient depot
I'm planning on adding texture wad support either tonight or tomorrow so it won't be a problem by then
faint kestrel
quick question, how do i set my game onto the SDK beta in the steam betas tab?
lament ore
kk
ancient depot
@faint kestrel Check the pinned messages, there's a beta branch code you need to put in
fluid nimbus
the pins smh
faint kestrel
ok thanks
ancient depot
np, have fun!
long anchor
@lament ore nothing to show really, there's just no objects and props in entity tab
fierce lava
You guys probably already know this, but the SDK clearly messed with Dusk. Like the lighting seems darker, textures are flickering, and some geometry you see out into the void
long anchor
yep, known problems
lunar shale
also the buttons dont work
at least the button to open the garage on homecoming in episode 3
it works as a button
but the texture doesnt change
long anchor
Zombie made new dll where buttons work but dll crashes the game lol
ancient depot
Yeah, it seems Unity doesn't like recompiled dlls with new classes without a rebuild
Which is annoying
fierce lava
At least you know the problem, so thats good.
long anchor
i heard unity is overall kinda assy
fierce lava
I dont envy being a game dev
solid isle
doors are broke right?
misty barn
Wav files aren't loading in
solid isle
files have to be flac rn I think
solid isle
why are mine just moving forward and back, regardless of angle?
ancient depot
ayyy, I made some extra fixes to triggers and now this transition works:
@misty barn Do they have the exact same name as the original sound that you're replacing? Including ending in .ogg or .flac despite being a wav file?
honest stag
hold up
are you saying that those transitions are actually a thing now?
solid isle
my doors move the correct position in Quake
honest stag
or at least will be
solid isle
just not in DUSK
honest stag
soon
ancient depot
No it's still a normal transition, but the level transition was triggered by something other than the player directly entering it
honest stag
ah alrighty
supple radish
oh nice
ancient depot
and yeah something is wrong with how we calculate door positions atm, it works perfectly for some doors but fails for others
fluid nimbus
door stuck
long anchor
I BEG YOU
ancient depot
TIL these chairs are func_pushables but you can't normally push them in regular HL because the scientists are sitting on them
fluid nimbus
they're waiting for you in the test chamber, duskdude
lament ore
@long anchor try this fgd for trenchbroom and tell me if the entities show up https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NztxZXWEeksoddhfFse4fzV7k0v0h8-L
ancient depot
Half-Life's auto-doors work now btw
as in the ones you walk near to open
since they're just triggers
lament ore
nice
honest stag
oh hey it's the trigger_auto right?
ancient depot
trigger_multiple
honest stag
for automatic doors
trigger_multiple is for doors that open when you are near? just to be sure
long anchor
@lament ore nope
restive prawn
Step 1: Make Dusk
Step 2: Release Dusk SDK
Step 3: Make literally every game that's ever existed in said SDK
Step 4: There is no step 4
long anchor
that's not really an issue since you can place objects and props by renaming other ents
lament ore
@long anchor Huh. Oh well
ancient depot
@honest stag trigger_multiple is just a trigger that you can trigger multiple times
trigger_auto is a trigger that triggers itself automatically after a delay
lapis hare
faith tc for dusk: taking "WHAT I AM ABOUT TO DO HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE VATICAN" to a new level
long anchor
hmm
ancient depot
In this you can see one of our problems with doors, notice how the glass in the double doors doesn't open all the way
long anchor
theoretically, is it possible to trigger an explosion?
ancient depot
eventually, yes, once we hook up the trigger system to them
fluid nimbus
has anyone made a big john minecraft skin yet
torpid agate
Triggering explosions is the natural progression to cs_crossfire
small gate
normal modder: I will demake X game in doom
crazy modder: I will recreate X game in doom
zombie: what if we just mixed all the games
fluid nimbus
isn't it the same thing
ancient depot
funny you say that johnny
long anchor
@torpid agate isn't it just trigger_hurt with sounds?
ancient depot
I have a project that might blow your mind regarding that later
fluid nimbus
rogue lite mode that just chains random maps from doom, quake, half life, etc
long anchor
^
honest stag
he's gonna mix all the games watch out
supple radish
make maps from all games compatible with dusk sdk
fluid nimbus
that'd be cool as shit
long anchor
quask-liom
small gate
I trust you man, if you've come this far I don't doubt it one bit
fluid nimbus
a game that just takes maps and enemies from any other compatible game you own and mash them together in a rogue lite
small gate
so like reelism but roguelite instead
honest stag
...alright can someone tell me, a dumbass, how to make a door open when you approach it because i kinda have no clue
in quake they do that already but i want my gates to open at the same time and not with a manual touch
ancient depot
added a dummy ent for func_platrot so this actually spawns now
lament ore
Why does ericw's tools lack qcsg? is it merged into qbsp?
fierce lava
I'm using the compilers from here: http://voidspark.net/projects/bjptools_xt/
long anchor
ah yesss
food
back to mapping
@honest stag so, how's the map? i think i missed your messages (if you wrote them in the first place lol)
honest stag
I did
Said the map looked awesome and played well
More enemies wouldn't hurt, unless you plan to make your nap long and the number if enemies increase
long anchor
i'll def make it longer
honest stag
I really like the pipe secret
How it looks and all
long anchor
i'm thinkin about extending it into something bigger
have you found textures for colored doorways?
honest stag
hm?
honest stag
oh yeah i used other textures for them
quake has really nice ones
like i would just get a texture that has red on it, enlarge it a lot so only the red part is visible and there you go
makeshit colored doorway
honest stag
lol i used the same one, good choice
long anchor
do these things look like wires?
honest stag
Kinds more like chains to me for some reason
small gate
you're probably better off with a one-sided brush with a transparent wire/chain texture
like they'd do with chain fences back in the day
honest stag
transparent oh no
long anchor
transparency is not a thing now 😦
small gate
OOF
long anchor
you mean this?
small gate
at least your background is also black
but yeah, that
it's usually better than chunky polygons, or worse, small volume ones (provided some mipmapping is enabled)
long anchor
i like how mapping encourages me to grab my drawing tablet and draw concepts
gritty forge
That's cool. I like that. Good planning method
torpid agate
That’s pretty cool. It remind me of Der Riese from cod zombies
long anchor
didn't play cod zombies heh
long anchor
@gritty forge yeah, it is. If you forget what you were up to with your map - take a look at this pic and bam, now you remember
gritty forge
I can sorta see the resemblance. Looks like the power switch room lol