there we go
#dusk-modding
acoustic hedge
hollow laurel
acoustic hedge
ohh
ebon jetty
heh
acoustic hedge
ok
ebon jetty
does the quake 1 maps spawn things in the ground partially for anyone else?
ebon jetty
ok
desert fulcrum
I feel stupid here
ebon jetty
same
desert fulcrum
How do I open the SDK
ebon jetty
oh
desert fulcrum
I don't see anything on Steam
hollow laurel
(i got annoyed prepping my stuff for someone to try, so i did this)
check stickies for beta branch code for steam
ebon jetty
^
hollow laurel
then check other stickies, and search this channel
desert fulcrum
I now see the pin icon in the top right
hollow laurel
imma have a smoke, then play games to relax after a day of work, so might not respond much :p
hollow laurel
but, others are sure to help
acoustic hedge
still having that error even though i fixed it
somehow not making it into a .bsp?
ohhhhhhhhhh
im setting the output to the trenchbroom folder
long anchor
acoustic hedge
gn
it thinks there is no maps folder but there is a maps folder so it just puts the bsp into the trenchbroom folder?
balmy thorn
Anyone checked if Dusk uses the regular monster spawner from Quake?
(To teleport in enemies)
agile fjord
so how do I use this wad for trenchbroom?
acoustic hedge
what would the entity be named in quake?
gilded saddle
so is there a pallete map for dusk i could use for JACK?
all textures show up as black/white
balmy thorn
I don't recall
crude cedar
O'
tight fractal
fluid nimbus
what happened
iron needle
yeah there's trigger_teleport
there are also the Dusk teleporter pad entities
trigger_teleport will only teleport the player, the teleporter pads will teleport anything
even the level
so umm
be careful how you place them lol
also there are jump pads
fluid nimbus
level teleporting
iron needle
so if you want to make a bouncy level... you can do that
fluid nimbus
that's some baba is you shit
agile fjord
time to create a map where you have to actually physically teleport the level lol
gilded saddle
yeah @acoustic hedge
cobalt sinew
teleport... even the level?
fluid nimbus
duskdude is you map pack
crude cedar
fine jab I'll make something that fits within the rules
acoustic hedge
idk then
fluid nimbus
you physically move the rules
gilded saddle
going to try copying the quake 1 palletemap over and see if that effects how jack displays them
light sources etc render fine
ingame
cobalt sinew
this is probably a long shot but I wonder if there's any way to convert serious sam levels to bsp
gilded saddle
but all textures show up as black/white
acoustic hedge
hmm
gilded saddle
despite this other games like HL1 will have correct colored textures
acoustic hedge
some maps for hl1 have textures and others dont
like xen doesnt have any but the hazardous course does
probably a bug
but im not sure
gilded saddle
well jack is a level edior like hammer or trenchbroom
fluid nimbus
xen doesn't deserve textures
acoustic hedge
agile fjord
does anyone know how tall duskdude is?
gilded saddle
everything from WGH on doesn't have texures in game though cause SDK can't load external wads yet
only the official dusk.wad
hard pollen
1 inch.
acoustic hedge
you could go off the mounted dusk folder to mount textures
gilded saddle
look at pins david supplied us with a wad to use in level editors
acoustic hedge
oh the editor
fluid nimbus
does it fuck with the palette compared to dusk's campaign tho
since you're using the quake palette
shell escarp
so is everyone in the game
littleneck is actually bigger than you but hes just extremely foreshortened
fluid nimbus
unless they used that palette for the base game too
gilded saddle
not sure
it wouldn't screw with the pallete any more than it not having any color to begin with
acoustic hedge
palates work in hl maps and zombie said they work in quake maps
peak trellis
So since we have to build levels in things like Trench Broom, how would we actually utilize things like Dusk's textures for level creation?
fluid nimbus
it's not that they "work" in quake maps
you outright need them to run quake maps with textures
@peak trellis check pins
there's a wad for dusk textures
also eventually the game will support external textures and we'll also get a dusk profile for trenchbroom iirc
peak trellis
Oh thank you
fluid nimbus
to not have to use wads at all anymore
acoustic hedge
peak trellis
Okay that'll be super helpful
I've never made levels and stuff like this before so i'm gonna have to really set aside time to learn this stuff
acoustic hedge
im trying to learn too
acoustic hedge
where are you guys putting the quake palate files?
fast ridge
iron needle
Some HL levels don't have textures cause Dusk doesn't support .wads yet. That's coming though!
tight fractal
If it’s not in now, assume it’ll be in later
ebon jetty
David, it isn't the best place to ask I'm sure since I'm not referring to mods when asking this but I forget is there a plan to ever have a multiplayer update
Like CTF and more maps
ebon jetty
ah i'll take a look there then
hollow laurel
well, darth zombie did say he was putting in support for the team spawn entitites
iron needle
@ebon jetty unlikely for vanilla dusk, but possibly for the SDK branch, once we get networking in
ebon jetty
oke dokey
acoustic hedge
it was a while ago when he talked about it
hollow laurel
as for least feasible request: i'd like proper portals so one could do non-euclidian geometry (i'll go back to my things)
fast ridge
Also been having some weird audio issues
gilded saddle
iron needle
@hollow laurel yeah that uhhhh... probably won't happen lol
hollow laurel
hehe, i know, but a man can dream :p
gilded saddle
this is the error in jack i am having.
anyone know how to fix?
using the latest dusk.wad from pins
agile fjord
hey where do I load the dusk wad? I seem to be using a really old set up guide because I can't find where map properties seems to be now
hard pollen
The iteration time on texture swaps is painfully slow.
acoustic hedge
Click on the face tab to the side, press the + below texture collections, and select the dusk.wad
im using trenchbroom
gilded saddle
figured it out i think
agile fjord
ah hella, thank you
gilded saddle
for some reason the HL1 mode for the editor makes all dusk textures black and white
agile fjord
it's all black but at least it's good to have em lol
gilded saddle
but quake mode makes them render properly
acoustic hedge
valve mode?
agile fjord
for me? no
gilded saddle
yeah cause i want colored lighting in my map
acoustic hedge
quake has colored lighting too
gilded saddle
Q1 editors ive used hasn't
cursive cave
This is a super basic question, apologies in advance: I bought Dusk through GOG, and am now learning about the SDK and mods—will I be limited without Steam Workshop access? Or should I expect mods to be accessible on Nexus or Moddb, etc?
verbal peak
expect to rely on third party sites, yeah. hopefully content creators have the foresight to use them instead of relying on workshop. weve been encouraging it from the word go
cursive cave
Cool, thanks
ivory magnet
the last thing we want is GOG customers getting left out due to their choice of platform
balmy jetty
so i know in Down on the Farm a basketball was able to trigger something on the hoop. i wonder if it would be possible to make a mod similar to Infernal Run in Doom(2016) & Uplink in COD franchises
im sure people will say anything is possible, so i guess this is more of a suggestion to any great modders here
imagine doing flips and throwing balls through a giant hoop while people shoot rivets past you
hollow laurel
also, because calm bit, for my stuff i'm not doing anything apart from say linking here or to friends for feedbuck until it's done enough, then it's going up on moddb at least
apart from steam workshop, because eh
(also feeling a bit meh about nexus due to their history of security issues)
small gate
distribute it all on github 😎
hollow laurel
well, that also works
and, due to things i have a decent amount of space on my google drive
agile fjord
did anyone firgure out the solution to getting the dusk wad textures to load?
hollow laurel
well, there's been people with that problem before, do a search where you pick in: #dusk-modding texture
and you should find some various discussions and probably solutions'
(maybe we should build some sort of wiki thing at some point for this)
acoustic hedge
we could add onto the dusk wiki and add an sdk section
hollow laurel
for troubleshooting stuff, since it does get a bit.... well, tiring to fix the same problem over and over ._.
acoustic hedge
so i got my map to load in quake https://i.imgur.com/x8sLgTn.jpg
but i cant get it to load in dusk
gritty forge
I can't upload a zip onto here... It's for all you modders out there.
gritty forge
HD Quake weapon sounds for you guys to use.
acoustic hedge
oh nice
just send a url to it instead so we can download it here
i could try messing with sounds first before mapping
gritty forge
HD Quake Weapon Sounds! https://drive.google.com/open?id=199UbrwAutkC71KF3KGL-DpOA0YTPv3hO
acoustic hedge
ty
gritty forge
And, no. They are not from Mindgrid. I did them myself.
acoustic hedge
nice
gritty forge
Wow, this server doesn't allow uploading of anything... What's up with that?
acoustic hedge
ask mods. but discord also has a 5mb upload limit if your not nitro
small gate
you're a white dude, you dont have many permissions
acoustic hedge
oh hey im a rat now
small gate
mr robot. is a rat, he's allowed a bit more
gritty forge
Why do we need this sort of permission? You guys can trust me. I would never give anyone a virus. I just want to show you guys some sound effects you all can use for your mods, as I don't have the skill to make a mod.
small gate
It's not you, it's people in general
acoustic hedge
just have to chat for a while to get rat
verbal peak
yeah you gain the ability to directly upload files at rat rank. its a small security measure for us while new users get acclimated to the server and how things work
acoustic hedge
i think i just got it
ivory magnet
This is for everyone. File uploads get enabled automatically after a little bit of activity on the server
agile fjord
oh god. I just realized I had a space in my DUSK wad folder LUL
ivory magnet
We will not make exceptions with this. Everyone will need to earn it by themselves
acoustic hedge
they sound pretty nice too
fringe summit
upload the file somewhere else on discord then link it
ez
ivory magnet
Just a friendly reminder for everyone : while I'm sure everyone here has good intentions it doesn't hurt to give any files you download a quick antivirus scan before you launch them
small gate
an even friendlier reminder: even if the uploader is acting in good faith, you dont know if his computer is safe
ivory magnet
Virustotal is always an option if you're in paranoid mode
acoustic hedge
thanks for the info
gritty forge
I just don't think anyone should be using 11kHz 8-bit sounds in a 2018 video game.
So, I am gonna solve that problem.
small gate
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small gate
I... wasn't talking about your pc in specific tho?
small gate
I mean, I usually upload my own files to virustotal before even distributing URLs, I just take that as a general rule of thumb when dealing with this stuff
prob. a bit paranoid from early usb thumbdrive days
sharp portal
Okay so, first 24 hours of the SDK being out, what should I try first lol
balmy jetty
im still shook from y2k
iron needle
@acoustic hedge what happens when you load it in dusk?
gritty forge
Oh, hey @sharp portal, fancy seeing you here.
acoustic hedge
and trenchbroom is being wierd and exporting the bsp to somewhere i cant find
iron needle
Make sure the mod folder is set up properly (see pins) and make sure your mod is ticked on in the modding menu
gritty forge
@iron needle Hey Dave, you think you could possibly pin my links when I put them up? I want people to use the HD sounds, since they fit better with Dusk's sound quality.
Maybe even check 'em out yourself?
acoustic hedge
https://i.imgur.com/bpP6CyN.png
Like this?
iron needle
Pins are only for official mod stuff, otherwise it starts getting confusing
iron needle
Maps under mymaps/maps
gritty forge
Oh... Could you add a channel for that, then?
acoustic hedge
i forgot to even though i did load half life maps
gilded saddle
local/yourmodname/maps
gritty forge
Also, where's the code?
gritty forge
I mean to get the SDK...
small gate
on the pins
gilded saddle
think of as a alpha release of the SDK
gritty forge
Which pin?
iron needle
@gritty forge check the pins. Alsoz for other channels you'll have to talk to the admins about that
gritty forge
Wait, found it.
gilded saddle
many features from Q1/HL1 maps aren't functional yet
gritty forge
Thanks.
gilded saddle
func_doors that are locked in HL1 for instance
acoustic hedge
now i need to figure out lighting
limpid minnow
it seems the buttons you run into in quake can't be operated in Dusk
gritty forge
@iron needle You're not an admin? You should be...
gilded saddle
also func_buttons aren't activatable yet
gritty forge
@limpid minnow Try changing them into interactable buttons that are triggered with the use button.
agile fjord
hey possibly dumb question: does the wad need to be inside a steam folder for trenchbroom to understand it is a texture pack?
gilded saddle
at least theHL1 variant
gritty forge
If Serious Dusk becomes a thing, I will shiet a brick.
faint summit
Big James
small gate
cursed
faint summit
YOUR A POOPY HEAD
ember wagon
Rude
limpid minnow
lol
faint summit
Dusk, more like Dump what were they thinking
iron needle
You're not an admin? You should be... hahaha I don't disagree. Other people have other opinions though 😛
it seems the buttons you run into in quake can't be operated in Dusk yup that's on the list to add
balmy jetty
i was just messing with Shadesman's Doom 2016 in Quake 1 mod in DUsk
the multi part doors open each section one-by-one 😛
pretty playable though
ember wagon
Question, how does one get BSP files? I only got the PAK files and google isnt helping.
gritty forge
Now all we need is some Doom models and this is good to go.
Don't go using sprites.
limpid minnow
https://quakewiki.org/wiki/Quake_tools#PAK_Editors @ember wagon
peak trellis
i want some low poly 3d models that replicate doom weapons
i think that'd be way cooler than just some sprites
small gate
as long as it's not doomsday engine models
gritty forge
Not just weapons. Enemies.
peak trellis
Well yeah i'd imagine you'd just do what Dusk did
Doomsday models aren't even really trying to be aesthetically pleasing low poly stuff
they just look bad while trying to look good
gritty forge
Make them low-poly.
balmy jetty
one other thing i noticed @iron needle is in places where you bring down a elevated floor (that acts as an elevator)
you have to look down and itneract again. usually in originals you would interact to bring down and it comes back up auto
gritty forge
Maybe make the viewmodels higher poly, like how in Doom the viewmodels are higher res than anything else.
peak trellis
Eh? Maybe. I like the idea of them being on the same level as Dusk's vanilla weapons in terms of their style
gritty forge
Is someone gonna make a mod that adds hands to the viewmodels?
peak trellis
I was actually thinking about that and how cool that'd be but also semi cursed
because then how do you do the flips for the weapons
gritty forge
On the fingers?
peak trellis
I meant specifically like pressing R and having stuff flip
small gate
you don't really need to follow dusk perfectly, instead of that do a terminator style pump
peak trellis
You right
small gate
it'll look just as kinect-y
gritty forge
I mean, I imagined it looking like how it's done in Terminator.
fluid nimbus
Will we be able to replace weapon animations 
tight fractal
Probably
gritty forge
Just make it so he tosses it up.
tight fractal
Custom weapons are gonna be supported
chrome wagon
@balmy jetty haha, seeing that video thumbnail for a moment I thought one of my private testers leaked my doosk mod =P
gritty forge
I might make a mod that changes the name of the Assault Rifle to "Machine Gun."
Since that's what it is.
tight fractal
Nitpick mods
small gate
I'm waiting for full mod support so I can redo the soap launcher
faint summit
heavy sluice
low effort no name change smh
acoustic hedge
So im trying to export a bsp but it seems like trenchbroom cant find it when it gets to light.exe
faint summit
Can you even change the name?
faint summit
how?
small gate
localization files
gritty forge
Where is the sound folder?
acoustic hedge
Are you in the SDK beta branch?
acoustic hedge
\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\dusk\sounds
you will have to make another folder in local and copy sounds to it if you want it seperate from dusk sounds
balmy jetty
so guys, my issue with trenchbroom trails/hall of mirrors
acoustic hedge
\Dusk\SDK\mnt\local\HDsounds\sounds
like that
balmy jetty
i feel dumb, but i guess it was running with my internal default gpu. i ran it manually with nvidia and it fine
acoustic hedge
Im having issues compiling maps
balmy jetty
@chrome wagon you know what is funny about that clip? that is a Doom 2016 mod for Quake 1... ran in Dusk
now we need to use hexen2 textures or and blood sounds and the universe will implode
crude cedar
@hard pollen can you give me the texture for lain as jakob?
hard pollen
Maybe later.
hard pollen
I'll let you know when it's ready though.
agile fjord
hey I am checking the console for issues that I might be having, what is "Could not load palette file 'gfx\palette.lmp': File not found: 'gfx\palette.lmp'" because that is the only error comming up for my wad
crude cedar
I'm gonna make a full NB meme mod
viscid sinew
sharp trail
is there any way to change maps with the generic format in trenchbroom to the quake format?
gritty forge
@iron needle I think you should use this sound in an update. It's the water splash sound, but recovered from SoundIdeas. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ee3vZ67avjpc83TFDoq5H3MBgCFnrWaO/view?usp=sharing
coral spear
...Can you model terrain in Blender and import them into TrenchBroom?
small gate
you'd need to export it as .map
coral spear
Like just as a brush
that could then import
or if there's a way to do that what you said, and then just add stuff in TB later, i'd do that
faint summit
HI CIVVIE
heavy sluice
I don't get it
crude cedar
Who?
small gate
It's cancer mouse
hard pollen
Who?
crude cedar
WH@?
coral spear
oh hey blender can just straight up do it
heavy sluice
Is that an OC?
faint summit
heavy sluice
???
crude cedar
Stop putting cringe things in dusk
small gate
what the hell did you expect from the sdk
faint summit
This was inevitable
small gate
it was necessary
agile fjord
has someone made the jerma rat mod yet?
misty barn
Oh God
agile fjord
I'm the big john that makes all the rules
misty barn
John Everything
supple radish
agile fjord
oh jesus christ
supple radish
dusk is now jusk
tame pebble
Can someone make little neck Dave already?
hard pollen
Would apply to all leathernecks but it'd be possible.
faint summit
WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY SWAMP?
tame pebble
I have not touched the sdk at all yet. Can you rename bosses?
faint summit
I dont think you can
heavy sluice
mhm I think so
supple radish
i dont think so
hard pollen
There's more important things though, like this.
tame pebble
No, Dave needs to be little neck. The way it was truly intended.
hard pollen
Yeah but you can dual Lain now.
agile fjord
okay for the intro modding, do I just need to name the video the exact same thing?
hard pollen
All it needs is new voice lines by Lain.
fringe nymph
there are no strings for bosses
fiery badge
how can I get the .bsp quake maps
torpid agate
They’re in the quake pak files
fiery badge
so compliling?
jagged moat
Where I can get the SDK?
agile fjord
check pins @jagged moat it has the code for them in there
coral spear
man!
making maps is hard!
imma learn this tho i'm rly hype
i made an offhand joke about a Dusk: Opposing Force the other day
but my idea's kinda sorta that
at least a bit inspired by HLOF
agile fjord
honestly idk why I am still getting these black textures but I will figure it out later. Also I don't really get how the movies work in the code because I am trying to change the movies into something memey but it doesn't seem to be taking
coral spear
don't think changing movies is supported yet
the SDK is still kinda half-baked, they're basically making a whole system to swap things out at runtime without needing to touch Unity
agile fjord
damnit I can't make fake dos be Minnesota king pool 😔
coral spear
so in general i wouldn't try to push it too much
(this is coming from me, whose entire thing is "push it until it breaks")
civic scarab
Big John but its Shrek
honest trench
I look at the mods thus far and I am scared for the future
But am also excited for the total conversions that will come
coral spear
i'm making a minisode about one of the soldiers in the platoon that was stationed to Dusk
5 maps, pretty short, hopin to be pretty spooke
supple radish
coral spear
https://i.imgur.com/pBD2dLz.png
I did it! I made a map! IT'S ALIIIIVE
small gate
gotta make that boss one of these broken "thinking" emojis
with two sub-emojis on each side
supple radish
hell yeah
gritty forge
Anyone who wants to try and make a slaughter map or any brutal style map called SaDistiK? I just like the name and have no map experience...
fringe nymph
why dont you make it yourself
small gate
holy hell would prob. be a good one to adapt
honest trench
Can we get a Big John skin pack for all the enemies and weapons?
gritty forge
Keeping caged engineers while having to strafe hop around a maze like area could be cool, or a hunted style map with wendigos
small gate
well, it worked with ivory duke's zmovement
makes the slaughtermaps that much more fun
have yet to attempt sunlust with zmove
gritty forge
I beat scythe with bd, wasn’t the hardest I’ve done, I think zmove takes away from it since it was built for default momentum in doom
but maps made for zmove would be fun to see
Especially with dusks enemy roster
Like making use of low hp enemies like soldiers, but keeping them at a distance and making you dodge their projectiles to get a key, hectic style
small gate
I found some maps to be a bit harder with zmove (and no rocket jumps), eg. okuplok
but then again, that map is cancer
I find SR easier to deal with I guess
proven hull
@coral spear doesn't it have trenchbroom compatibility already? That's the officially preferred maptool
coral spear
@proven hull It does but it's incomplete
proven hull
The first taste of the SDK is just as tantalizing as the first wait, eh?
small gate
early adopter woes, all expected really
balmy jetty
another newb question. what bsp 2 map decompiler do you guys rec
agile fjord
what file do maps need to be? do .obj work or do I need something else?
gritty forge
Damn! Lots of unused sounds.
The Mage has an unused sight sound. "Infidel"
Another one is "Death"
How long until I become a rat?
verbal peak
takes roughly 200 posts
gritty forge
Ugh.
verbal peak
doesnt take long. some the new guys here got it within hours by just discussing SDK stuff
gritty forge
Ok. Lemme talk about what I am doing right now.
I am fixing up a good amount of Dusk's sound effects.
I know you might be asking. Why?
My answer is that some sounds lack frequencies, which make my ears unhappy.
Lots of iD Software titles have this same problem.
quick question if i want to replace a texture of a weapon do i need to just place it in /sdk/..../local/modname/textures or do i need a sub-folder for weapon textures like in the dusk folder
Not only that, but I am fixing clipping, long periods of silence at the end of sounds, downmixing some sounds to mono...
Only sounds that are the same in both channels are downmixed.
Once I'm done, I shall send them to Dave and ask if he could replace the old ones with mine in an update.
I already shown 2 here.
Since that splash sound is 11kHz... Unacceptable.
I think he just straight up ripped it from Minecraft.
I found the original uncompressed one, so that's a major change.
So far, I found 1 sound whose sample rate was 192kHz! We don't need quality that high in a video game... So I brought it down to 44.1kHz.
But once I am able to, I will upload the sounds on this page. I know the differences aren't too noticeable for the most part, but clipping is a big problem with Dusk's sound design, as some speakers can be damaged by clipped audio.
fluid plume
Will we be able to upload our own music with custom levels later on with the SDK?
gritty forge
I also changed the player pain sound a bit... Changed that chiptune sounding impact noise with an actual impact noise.
iron needle
Mod it in
coral spear
Can't seem to get textures to work on custom-built maps.
I got the wad imported to TB and set all the textures I want for this test map, but they won't shot in game
Unless there's a flag I have to set with the compiler
torpid agate
Do the textures show up when you open the compiled map in Quake?
coral spear
I'm using the Dusk wad
so I wouldn't assume so though I haven't tried
idk why I'd test a dusk map on quake but also i'm the noob here
gritty forge
@iron needle I meant for you to put it in officially... You know, for the Switch version? Since you can't make mods for console games legally.
The file size might even be a bit smaller once I'm done.
Or was the Switch version cancelled?
verbal peak
switch version is still happening. SDK is actually a step towards that goal
gritty forge
Ok.
fiery badge
Would switch versions modable then
verbal peak
SDK is essentially a rewrite of dusk itself. It's the foundation for planned features later. Not exclusively modding
gritty forge
I'm still assuming NewGame+ will arrive after the SDK.
fiery badge
@gritty forgeglad I'm not the only one who remembers ng+
ebon jetty
@verbal peak that sounds unbelievably complicated
now i have learned to appreciate sdk's
gritty forge
I remember it too.
I hope that wasn't cancelled.
I really wonder how it would work.
Found out the mortar also has 192kHz sounds. Downsampled those. They take up way less space now.
fiery badge
How much unused stuff has been found? I already know about the mages unused death and infidel lines
fiery badge
Seems to be lots of unused sounds
gritty forge
Yeah. Hopefully Dave repurposes them in a future update. I hate when things go unused.
Just a waste of space.
lament ore
Hi hello everybody what do I need to make custom dusk map?
I have JACK set up to make Half-Life maps currently but I mean exporting and docs and all that
torpid agate
Check the pins.
iron needle
Would switch versions modable then unsure. We've talked about this
So it could happen
ebon jetty
How does one go about adding custom entities in TrenchBroom aka the entities specified in the entities.txt supplied in the SDK
torpid agate
@ebon jetty when you place Quake enemies in Trenchbroom, the corresponding entity from the txt file will be spawned when you load the bsp into dusk. I don’t think you can add dusk entities directly into Trenchbroom yet tho.
I may be wrong tho
ebon jetty
@torpid agate because for example i know it specifies object_torch in entities.txt so i don't know if quake's light_torch_small_walltorch is the equivalent
small gate
HUMANITIES GREATEST DESIRE IS TO DRIVE CRUDELY MADE LOW POLYGON CARS IN DUSK
ebon jetty
i'd assume if it swaps it out weapon_supershotgun would do the super shotgun we all know and love in dusk
torpid agate
Ah. I haven’t messed with torches yet in dusk. I know health packs/ammo spawn as dusk health packs/ammo
lament ore
david give us a shitty kart-like func_vehicle like in this mix and jam video
it's basically just a rolling ball
small gate
may zombie, the opener of ways, allow us to enjoy jeepathon2k once more
fiery badge
We should be able to play the segment were dusk dude drives to the military facility
small gate
and teach a new generation the love of func_vehicle
crude cedar
fuck_vehicle
fiery badge
Driving for 10 hours
small gate
you're a disgrace berry
fiery badge
Desert bus mod when
crude cedar
ye
ocean bane
fringe nymph
appears to be ugly
ocean bane
lament ore
honest stag
any way to make a dusk-style rotating door in trenchbroom?
ebon jetty
well
i can confirm some things are swapped
but the torch in quake is not a torch in dusk
and just doesn't spawn
lament ore
Do we have anything equivalent to mat_fullbright in Dusk? It would really suck if I had to do lighting while prototyping a map
doesn't necessarily have to be mat_fulbright, even just a console command to set the ambient light level would probably work
gritty forge
One of the lava ambient sounds is 11.25kHz! (Why Dave?) Brought it up to 22.05.
honest stag
is _sunlight working?
faint summit
So to replace a flac file does the file i want also have to be flac?
iron needle
@faint summit yeah
faint summit
Damn
fringe nymph
i was about to ask about it
faint summit
So how do I convert to flac
cobalt sinew
you can use something like audacity to export files as flac
fringe nymph
ive exported oggs and wav's as flac
cobalt sinew
really easy to use
fringe nymph
and it seems it dosent work
faint summit
I have audiacity
cobalt sinew
load the file you want to convert
faint summit
but in the export thing, i dont see a flac option
fringe nymph
it dosent work on my end
cobalt sinew
@faint summit do export > export audio
ancient depot
Just make sure the file has the same name, including extension
fringe nymph
same with music
ancient depot
Music cant be replaced yet
gritty forge
So that's 2 11kHz sounds...
fringe nymph
k,
cobalt sinew
the folder setup also has to be the same
fringe nymph
unless
fringe nymph
zombie, it might be that vo folder files cannot be replaced
iron needle
@cobalt sinew if it's ummm... I think death sounds, then you can edit it. If it's other sounds then they don't work YET
iron needle
just has to do with how Dusk handles enemy sounds
cobalt sinew
I've changed stuff like the active sounds enemies have
ancient depot
@hard pollen
The iteration time on texture swaps is painfully slow.
You can type NBREFRESH while ingame to do a hot reload of all assets
hard pollen
Ah sick.
frozen scarab
psst I'm trying to import dusk textures into trenchbroom rn we gonna have fun
iron needle
@cobalt sinew ahh yeah that would probably work also
hard pollen
Who?
iron needle
it just depends whether the sounds were just on an audio source or whether they're placed on an audio source via script, basically
faint summit
You make mods civvie?
iron needle
any ones that are placed via script need extra work to make them replacable
fringe nymph
i think theres a ready wad file with dusk textures to be used with trenchbroom
faint summit
So something like this?
ebon jetty
The dusk.wad is in pinned messages if that helps
cobalt atlas
since when did civvie makes mods
cobalt sinew
the filename has to be the same as the file you're replacing @faint summit
fringe nymph
who?
ancient depot
yup its pinned and we released a program for generating your own wad from a folder full of pngs
cobalt atlas
fuck don't worry about broken english
faint summit
I know
true vale
the man that got me into dusk
hard pollen
Who?
cobalt sinew
but yeah that's a flac file
fringe nymph
Who again?
frozen scarab
This is what happens when I leave for 24 hours thanks, kids
cobalt atlas
CIVVIE11 hatsu
hard pollen
Whomst?
cobalt atlas
goddamn it
true vale
party pooper
cobalt atlas
seriously though civvie good luck with your project
ancient depot
also while reading the backlog I saw someone ask about a fullbright option, we don't have that yet but I'll note it down for the next patch
hard pollen
Welcome to New Blood, where bad memes get run into the ground™️
fringe nymph
who
true vale
hard pollen
What does a time of day have to do with things?
true vale
jesus hatsu
gritty forge
Ok, made the wendigo sound better.
true vale
wendigo now sounds like big john
gritty forge
I am actually taking what I am doing extremely seriously... Sorry.
gritty forge
Making joke mods isn't funny... I am not funny enough.
What I did was compensate missing frequencies, to make it sound brighter.
alpine depot
time for my first mod to be ms paint recreations of every single texture in dusk
gritty forge
I would show you guys... But someone won't let me until I have posted 200 times or something...
verbal peak
you can use hosts like google drive to get around the restriction. we just dont allow unranked users to directly post files to the discord
fringe nymph
iron needle
lol
gritty forge
Someone out there... Please make Serious Dusk... I am working on the sounds for it. Hit me up if you're interested.
ebon jetty
@iron needle how do you place a torch in trenchbroom that's compatible with dusk
cobalt sinew
could serious sam maps even be ported to bsp format?
gritty forge
Maybe not... But reimagining them would be fine too.
fringe nymph
why dont make something even worse and make something called Duskiller?
gritty forge
What do you have against Serious Sam?
fringe nymph
its Rule 16 game
gritty forge
Rule 16?
fringe nymph
ye
cobalt sinew
wuzat
gritty forge
What the hell even is that? And why is it a problem?
fringe nymph
that's not a problem, rule 16 games are bad, end of story
cobalt sinew
what is rule 16?
heavy sluice
there isn't one he's taking the piss
cobalt sinew
lol
fringe nymph
iron needle
Serious Sam is amazing you heretic
gritty forge
Sure, it does get repetitive, but it doesn't get repetitive to the point where it drops in quality... The only bad part is where you lose all your weapons and ammo.
fringe nymph
TFE is okay, TSE is great, BFE is between meh and okay
gritty forge
Still have yet to play TSE. I am waiting for Fusion to be updated. The medium health making the small health sound bothers me.
lament ore
Can we not change the opening direction of func_doors in maps? In Half-Life my door opens to the "south" direction but in Dusk in opens towards the "east" direction
hard pollen
Serious Sam 2 is the only good one.
small gate
bfe isn't bad, but could've been better if they focused on whats good about serious sam
and that sure as hell isnt fighting one or two enemies on a dark arena
gritty forge
Bruh... I think 2 is 2 different from the others.
iron needle
@fringe nymph this channel is for Dusk modding, not for horrible takes
ancient depot
we might have messed up the coordinates @lament ore
fringe nymph
hatsu is taking the piss again 
still raptor
2 is not a Sam game
lament ore
ruh roh. that's gonna be a hassle
ancient depot
send one of us the map and we'll investigate
tight fractal
It’s something better
verbal peak
lets keep the channel on topic, guys. we're here for dusk mod discussion. not defending serious sam
gritty forge
Okay, let's get back on topic. Serious Dusk.
hard pollen
Look I'm having a hard day, taking the piss is the only thing I'm enjoying right now.
gritty forge
It doesn't have to be a port. It can be new maps, just the Sam formula, weapons and enemies.
Hell, to avoid copyright, I came up with a new protagonist...
chrome wagon
Now that someone talked about serious sam maps, I started to wonder, how difficult it would be to convert unreal maps into quake/hl/quake format?
gritty forge
Dangerous Daniel. He talks like Elmer Fudd, in that his R's and L's are W's.
I already have a really good one-liner.
Like, god tier.
iron needle
bruh
ancient depot
@chrome wagon there's apparently a converter out there somewhere
gritty forge
You guys wanna hear it?
torpid agate
It’s like 30 bucks tho I think ?
cobalt sinew
hit us
torpid agate
The converter
gritty forge
Okay, here goes.
"Sticks and stones may break my bones... But you will never hurt me!"
alpine depot
wait so how many messages before i can get image permissions again?
hard pollen
HamUER only converts BSP to UE4 stuff. not the other way around.
gritty forge
Ehh? Ehh? Anyone? No? Hm...
honest stag
weird, some random dusk textures arent showing up for me
chrome wagon
Wait, i didn't specified. I meant, old unreal, not unreal 4
honest stag
in the map itself
lament ore
Changed the direction the door opens, but it's still the same in Dusk
gritty forge
... Guess it wasn't so good...
gritty forge
How about this one?
"If you try to run away, I'll trip ya with one of my grenades."
fringe nymph
(thats RTCW SP castle map)
chrome wagon
Diapers 100
torpid agate
@fringe nymph if you convert the textures to png and put them in a texture file in the root, most of them will load with the rtcw map
verbal peak
TB is what we've been recommending for a while now
ebon jetty
@verbal peak do you know how people can place object_torch in tb
or just a torch in general
verbal peak
unfortunately thats out of my scope. @ancient depot would be the one to ask
fringe nymph
@torpid agate i know how it works, just checked it out, zombie mentioned rtcw maps might be custom but thats not the case
ancient depot
you should be able to enter the class name manually after you place a new entity
ebon jetty
@cobalt sinew @cold latch why did you JUST JOIN THE CALL
gritty forge
I guess I am not so good at making one-liners.
ebon jetty
@ancient depot ty
lament ore
@ebon jetty I'm personally using JACK because I'm way more familiar with Hammer/JACK than trench because trench doesn't support HL1, but if you have no preference Trench is probably the way to go
also disregard the awful hollowed cube in that map lol for some reason I started getting a point leak and didn't feel like dealing with it
gritty forge
S
gritty forge
Hopefully the SDK gets updated later in the year...
fierce lava
theres a bunch of different door opening sounds for like specific doors
honest stag
yeah for quake 1
i have no clue how to use custom ones or how to make them work with dusk
cobalt atlas
Careful there sean Darth might just have a ptsd attack
So question
What would happen if we imported quake maps to dusk without any fixing
gritty forge
Why would he have PTSD?
true vale
haha sdk when lmao
lament ore
@ancient depot also for that matter the custom textures didn't load either
custom map textures
cobalt sinew
what's the godmode command
small gate
it's bind w kill
fierce lava
nbdeity
ancient depot
Hopefully the SDK gets updated later in the year...
We'll be updating it as frequently as possible until it's finished
@lament ore Which format? Q1? HL? Q3?
lament ore
Half-Life BSP, all the textures extracted from the half-life wad to pngs in the textures folder
hoary juniper
func_vehicle
ancient depot
Yeah that'd be why then, we don't support replacements for Q1 or HL BSP yet
lament ore
o
small gate
any ETA for a sneak peek at DuskC
ancient depot
Not currently
lament ore
does any map format support custom textures yet or nah?
ancient depot
We're focusing on getting more of the essentials in first like custom models, the console, etc
Quake 3 BSP does
lament ore
ah
cobalt sinew
ancient depot
But our support for Q3BSP is very incomplete right now
So I wouldn't recommend using that as your main format
lament ore
ye
elfin ore
US Marine Hyde
ebon jetty
gritty forge
I do feel like I am being ignored...
ebon jetty
MARINE HYDE
gritty forge
Probably because I said too much today.
elfin ore
get used to it sean
gritty forge
But I don't care.
still raptor
I get ignored all the time
gritty forge
I want to become a rat.
still raptor
Such is life in the zone
elfin ore
we're all ignored down here
gritty forge
Yeah, I had 2 good one-liners for a potential TC mod, but nobody said anything.
tight fractal
Get used to people not responding to you
That’s the way of the internet and online chat rooms
gritty forge
I know.
gritty forge
It still pisses me off though.
elfin ore
sean that joke you made?
tight fractal
Don’t let it
kindred epoch
Rat Races when
tight fractal
Or you’ll just hate it here
gritty forge
Good, good to know somebody finds them to be good.
kindred epoch
bhop/parkour maps where you play as a rat
crystal lily
So, a lot of these entity names are from Hl/Quake?
elfin ore
Still super confused about why replacing main menu music just fricks up so badly
gritty forge
I feel lied to.
elfin ore
won't even return to the default music when my mod is turned off 🤔
gritty forge
I saw a teaser of the SDK, and saw a demo in the background of the menu.
It's still the stupid corpse.
tight fractal
Coming Soon™️
gritty forge
Will they be able to be recorded?
ancient depot
@elfin ore I'll look into that
gritty forge
So I can see my own or someone else's gameplay in the menu?
honest stag
yp. if i just name a door func_door_rotating is it going to work in dusk even tho quake doesnt recognize it?
ancient depot
If we do demos, they won't be in until right around the end of development
cobalt atlas
official word
ancient depot
func_door_rotating is recognized by Dusk but it's not implemented yet
it'll spawn as a non solid object
honest stag
ah i see
gritty forge
Ok. It's just that Demos are present in pretty much every Old-School FPS ever made... Even Serious Sam has them.
ancient depot
They're just not a priority over other more important things atm
gritty forge
I know.
They would just be a nice thing to have, that's all.
Especially for DuskWorld.
On that topic, DuskWorld needs a lot of work... No offense.
Bots are crucial.
ancient depot
Agreed, that's why I want to try and get them in towards the end
Since we'll have MP by then
(The SDK will be merging with Duskworld eventually, for those that didn't know)
gritty forge
I don't just mean for the SDK, I mean the vanilla game.
crystal lily
What is the SDK coded in?
still raptor
The main reason they aren't present now is because the game doesn't have the appropriate level of data abstraction
gritty forge
@still raptor What? Demos or bots?
ancient depot
Demos
still raptor
Demos
ebon jetty
So I figured out to place torches I need to get the entity to face towards the ground
hard pollen
Will the mods be in their own language or will they be in something else?
ebon jetty
To make them look right
ancient depot
Currently they'll be C
It's subject to change, but I'd say it's likely to stay that way
hard pollen
Makes sense.
small gate
custom compiler, off-the-shelf interpreter?
gritty forge
here we fr*cking go boyes, i'm gonna go ham with the sdk
cobalt atlas
Bots are going to be a long time coming
hoary juniper
Hehe, too bad the SDK is cancelled
gritty forge
i will say the f word now
tall zenith
frick
gritty forge
shit
cobalt atlas
fick
gritty forge
fck
cobalt atlas
Scheisse
gritty forge
giant
cobalt atlas
flaming horse
gritty forge
yeah
cobalt atlas
Yessir
ancient depot
Just added support for the "light" property on worldspawn, which you can use to set an ambient light level when you have no lightmaps
Will be in the next patch 👌
That's a filtered word lol
ebon jetty
oh
mb
@ancient depot With some of the light objects in Dusk, when I place them in TrenchBroom, it is always on it's side regardless how I rotate it
Is there a way of getting it actually getting it to be standing up
ancient depot
Not currently, Quake only offers functionally to rotate stuff on the Z axis (Y in Dusk)
I'll add a new entity property called euler for that
an x y z vector for rotation
ebon jetty
alright i'm sorry i have become a madman regarding lights for the past hour
good to know now though
ancient depot
done, expect it in the next patch
honest stag
aw yis
ebon jetty
i fixed my name
ancient depot
Replace SDK/bin/win_x64/Dusk_Data/Managed/NewBlood.dll with this and if it works, you should have the euler property and all current pending bugfixes
ancient depot
note most of it's untested so please report any issues
because there will probably be some
ebon jetty
i will happily test it
fringe nymph
does trenchbroom have issues with opening decompiled maps?
or the decompiling itself is the issue
ancient depot
It shouldn't, unless the .map you got is invalid
weak vessel
@fringe nymph thats a quality audio swap
weak vessel
fringe nymph
small gate
sooo andrew, what happened to the sdk ambient track if you dont mind me ask
weak vessel
Oh it's ready. Just give it a lil bit. SOON.
very soon
just something you can play while mapping behind you maybe a time or too 🙂
fringe nymph
also i can finally listen to your best tracks that werent included in official OST or were butchered by someone who compiled said album
weak vessel
I...compiled....the OST? lol
ebon jetty
@ancient depot So I'm messing around with euler and when I launch my custom level I currently get stuck on the "Press Any Key to Enter the Horror" screen
weak vessel
how dare you lmao
ebon jetty
fringe nymph
ancient depot
@ebon jetty got an output log?
if you run through SDK/dusk_win.bat it'll appear in etc/usr/output.log
weak vessel
I'm exploring ideas for the full length ambient tracks at the moment
ebon jetty
@ancient depot I'm trying to recreate it but I think what caused it was I didn't use the euler property correctly
weak vessel
I live....again!
ancient depot
Yeah then the map decompiler you used failed
@ebon jetty oh ok, what did you enter for it?
it should be three numbers separated by spaces
fringe nymph
is there proven decompiler
ancient depot
not that i know of
high magnet
Yo can we have Andrew's ambient track built in to the SDK when it's done
small gate
all bsp decompilers I've used to this day required SOME sort of manual intervention
high magnet
Like DOOM 2016's snapmap music
ebon jetty
initially i somehow overlooked you saying it should be inputed as x y z values so i assumed it worked the same as the angle property
fringe nymph
cuz most stuff i found is for older system/32bit/x86 ones
ebon jetty
so that would be how to do that
weak vessel
@high magnet that would be super low priority at the moment but you will at least be able to play it on the YouTubes for now when I push it live.
high magnet
It's super cool that you're still invested in Dusk after one year
high magnet
Giant enemy John
weak vessel
I love DUSK. I am glad to have been part of DUSK and super glad you all have built a community around it. Now I am just super excited to see what happens with the SDK.
cold latch
Horrible things will happen with the SDK
cold latch
Unspeakable horrors
weak vessel
yee
heady marsh
Andrew hulshult does the soundtrack to hdusk
high magnet
I did the piss mod, hope you're proud Andy
cold latch
Honestly fitting
weak vessel
Golden Shower.pak
cold latch
Replace the showers with piss
high magnet
Actually the megashark would fit on BJ's gun model
faint summit
I changed all the flank files but the soldiers still say "flank him"
iron needle
yeah we're working on a fix
fringe nymph
music/enemies are not affected by new files
fringe nymph
otherwise i would make big john mention bathroom in 16 variations
faint summit
Im using avgn clips for big john
Which one is the one he says first?
So when the fight starts you hear:
"Im the fuckin nerd"
cold latch
I'm in a VC with him, he's really happy that the torches work for him now
honest stag
my maps arent compiling anymore for some reason cool
ebon jetty
I FINALLY GOT IT ALIGNED RIGHT
gritty forge
I have an amazing idea regarding the SDK.
I think Dave should hold a contest every now and then.
iron needle
@ebon jetty sorry, I think I missed your question earlier. Is it Dusk torches you're trying to place or Quake torches?
gritty forge
The best mod gets implemented into the vanilla game.
tight fractal
Lmao
small gate
that just means you're hella lit
ebon jetty
i just have to get the lighting effects right
tight fractal
Lit af
tight fractal
Hey man I get it
ebon jetty
ill get it soon
tight fractal
Lighting ocd is a srs problem
cold latch
See I should no right to make fun of him since I haven't even started mapping yet but he's so lit
gritty forge
FUNNY MEME HAHA https://youtu.be/E1XYL_3a8M4
tight fractal
Plus most nerds play games in dark rooms, idk about you but id play a dark map over a bright map
Don’t need fuckin daggers in my eyes
small gate
the SC55 drumkit sample is indeed a p. sweet shotgun sound
ebon jetty
cold latch
DUSK but it's doom sound effects
cold latch
F
small gate
DUSK but it's all GM samples
ebon jetty
cold latch
DUSK but it's all mario sound effects
gritty forge
i have finally made a valid contribution
tight fractal
Still waiting for the avenue 9 equivalent for dusk
cold latch
DUSK but every sound is replaced with the sound of a trash can being smashed
pearl reef
so question now that the sdk is in beta, will custom npcs ever become a thing?
heavy sluice
what if....dusk....in quake??