dusk-modding

[hollow laurel]

absolution_2, is at the oldest from.... 2015-09-25

[still raptor]

its one of the first features we intend to add

[hollow laurel]

<_<

depression is very much a motivation killer

but hey

time to get shit rolling again

[still raptor]

thatll do it

[fluid nimbus]

I'm bad at staying focused on thing so tedious repetitive tasks like having to make a wad, putting that wad in trenchbroom and moving the real textures to a folder every time I make a change to one texture just doesn't really work for me

[still raptor]

i feel you

[odd bane]

same lol

[hollow laurel]

i have little issue fiddling with the small stuff, it's doing stuff long-term that's hard for me

(as proven by what's now a near 6½ year project)

[still raptor]

give zombie a little bit to work some stuff out, and when patch 1 hits, hopefully a workflow for you will be available

[fluid nimbus]

nice

[hollow laurel]

well, i'm just gonna fiddle with geometry and such for a bit, on my end

since, well, need to make things a bit larger due to movement speed

at least for map1

[long anchor]

trigger_hurt isn't here yet?

[gritty forge]

seams like things kinda spawn in the ground

[still raptor]

yep

[odd bane]

that looks like a slice of pie

[still raptor]

thats being fixed

you should be able to pick them up still hopefully

[hollow laurel]

quake 1 pickups? yeah, noticed

[gritty forge]

yeye

[hollow laurel]

was just focused on getting stuff working to say <_<

[gritty forge]

also I thought we have scaling for the levels

[long anchor]

that's the idea i was talking about. crouchjump platforms with lava pit (that doesn't hurt you now). lights are broken, map is garbage, i'm out.

[hollow laurel]

they've said that light entities are wonky, and to be fixed

[long anchor]

since duskdude's movement feels like everything is slippery those platforms are nighmare to jump on.

[still raptor]

remember you can use shift to walk

and everything becomes way less slippery

[hollow laurel]

of-fucking-course map1 was a breeze to get working nicely, map2 is a trashfire :C

[long anchor]

but with crouchjumping you need to press 3 buttons at once

[still raptor]

but i only have 2 fingers....

this is a problem

[long anchor]

no, actually it's 5 buttons

ctrl+space, shift, w+a

[hollow laurel]

well, fuckit opens files in notepad++ to make it work

since, .map-files are text files that are parsed by your editor of choice :3

[long anchor]

would it be possible to make custom campaigns? i mean with their own level select screen, like with Dusk campaign?

i've got much worse idea

[hollow laurel]

well, they at least support level transitions

[long anchor]

make a campaign where every level is sewers

[hollow laurel]

maybe could have some entity thing to make levels unselectable in the list

....

[fluid nimbus]

the walls inside peach castle but shittier https://i.imgur.com/OpHIixF.png

[hollow laurel]

that is a worse idea than italy invading greece

[long anchor]

ok

got even worse idea

make 3 episodes of sewer levels only

[hollow laurel]

:|

aw yeah, text editor wins the day

[fringe nymph]

why is e1m1 nor nuts not recreated within first hours

[fluid nimbus]

3 episode of escher lab

[fringe nymph]

you guys are a joke

[fluid nimbus]

it'd get old real fast

[long anchor]

escher labs are actually nice

[fluid nimbus]

yes but
3 episodes

[hollow laurel]

hey, i'm porting over and trying to finish my old quake maps

[fluid nimbus]

of constant confusion

have a level without the fucked up geometry in the middle just to confuse peoples

[hollow laurel]

(and i was at the legal age of getting booze when i started, all those years ago, way beyond even)

was pretty happy with the feel of this room, there's water to swim up inside the pillar thing

but, map2 never got beyond geometry/texture work really

[fluid nimbus]

erebus reactor beta screenshot

[odd bane]

nice

[hollow laurel]

well, made this back in 2015 <_<

[odd bane]

also i like caterpie_i_choose_you.png

[long anchor]

i want to script duskbooze to give you invincibility when you're intoxicated

[hollow laurel]

so, maybe me and david have sortof the same idea about big environments

[fluid nimbus]

depends

[hollow laurel]

i like it when the very structures loom over you

so you feel small

[fluid nimbus]

the whole point of erebus reactor being big was to let you go outside and see an environment even bigger

and then another even bigger

[hollow laurel]

heh, yeah

[fluid nimbus]

and then big john

[hollow laurel]

AUGH

[long anchor]

[fluid nimbus]

"there's always a bigger fish"

[hollow laurel]

oshry needs to get super-drunk and just make more voice lines like that

[fluid nimbus]

cue skyscraper eating erebus reactor

[hollow laurel]

for us mappers and modders

[fluid nimbus]

now wait a fucking second

why are there nuclear silo structures underground
what's the point???

[hollow laurel]

well, since i don't have to care about the limits of the quake engine ^^

[fluid nimbus]

where is the smoke or whatever come out of said silo gonna go

[hollow laurel]

imma have fun porting this stuff over

hey, speak of the devil, david is online

[long anchor]

why are there nuclear silo structures underground

yes

[hollow laurel]

(now, don't at)

[fluid nimbus]

well he owes us explanations

[hollow laurel]

that's rude :p

still, i do get some pleasure from having something i made called beta erebus reactor

[fluid nimbus]

add a shitty kazoo version of whatever theme erebus reactor has over the map

or cursed piano midi

add a big john in every secret

[hollow laurel]

._.

i'm trying to have a theme here :p

which is not a meme

something people would great deem

(and so on)

[odd bane]

does anyone have a picture of the beta soldier

the texture file looks awesome

[toxic forge]

yes please show me

[astral mural]

I need to play the rest of DUSK so I can get into this, but what's the best mapping program to use with this? I just want to know what's needed to make a map.

[ancient depot]

the beta soldier was a headless dude with one arm iirc

wait no that's beta mage

[iron needle]

Trenchbroom is what we're going to officially support

[hollow laurel]

yay

senpai is here

notice us

:p

also, found your cat amongst the textures

[odd bane]

davd do you have an image of beta soldier?

i need this

i saw the texture file

[hollow laurel]

now i'm really tempted to make a cat easter egg

[still raptor]

hes in the dusk reveal trailer

[iron needle]

I've been busy today but I've been trying to keep tabs on what you all are making. Love what I'm seeing so far!

[astral mural]

Aight, sounds good. Just gotta learn TrenchBroom

[still raptor]

also you can play the e3 version? of the game in the goodies folder

and see him

[tropic kelp]

HE'S HERE

[odd bane]

that model is so much cooler then the current one

[iron needle]

I'll be continuing work later today on adding/fixing entity related stuff

[hollow laurel]

wee

[iron needle]

I know there are still a bunch of features you guys want that aren't in yet

[long anchor]

door sounds and trigger_hurt BlessRNG

[hollow laurel]

well, apart from me and like.... two-five others, people are making memes :p

and at least i can wait, because holy crap do i need to restructure

[iron needle]

Yeah as expected @hollow laurel lol

[hollow laurel]

duskdude is soooooo damned fast

compared to quakeguy

[odd bane]

yea

speedy boi

[fluid nimbus]

quakeman

doomguy,quakeman,duskdude

[odd bane]

quakequy

[hollow laurel]

so, basically need some stuff between abbey and cathedral in absolution_1 ._.

[long anchor]

quakeman is ranger, nah?

[fluid nimbus]

bloodbro

dukeduke?

[odd bane]

ranger is from q3

[hollow laurel]

well, according to q3a, yeah

blood is just caleb, since he's named ingame

[odd bane]

but quakeguy is better

or quakequy

[fluid nimbus]

shhh

[hollow laurel]

we use those names because they're not named

no, this is srs bznz >:|

:p

[odd bane]

more people need to use quakequy

doomdude quakequy and duskdude

[hollow laurel]

i've always used that

also, it's doomguy :p

for the olden games

[odd bane]

i know

[hollow laurel]

:3

[odd bane]

quakeQuy

not quakeguy

[hollow laurel]

i remember trying quake 1 on a 486

(hint: it was not that fun)

[odd bane]

lol

[toxic forge]

+mlook

[hollow laurel]

no

[odd bane]

-mlook

[hollow laurel]

that's not the problem

miracle it even worked tho, considering the game was quite dependant on floating-point processing.... which the 486 couldn't do

so, it ran at like.... 10fps

[odd bane]

rip

[hollow laurel]

well, that was back in.... 1996 somewhere, just months before we got our first pentium

[fluid nimbus]

has anyone uploaded some maps to play yet

[harsh swift]

what is the pinned mod

[fluid nimbus]

it's just a place to upload mods

[harsh swift]

not moddb

[hollow laurel]

the wad?

[harsh swift]

the one above it

yes

[fluid nimbus]

it's a wad with all of dusk's textures

it's not a mod

[harsh swift]

oh ok

[hollow laurel]

and before that it's the moddb page for the game

[long anchor]

has anyone uploaded some maps to play yet
i did, like two of them

[harsh swift]

where to

[long anchor]

they're shit tho

[fluid nimbus]

still

original ™️ content

[harsh swift]

isnt there supposed to be some new beta branch

[hollow laurel]

haven't uploaded anything yet, could do a quick job to make it completeable

[harsh swift]

i dont see anything

[hollow laurel]

if people want

[fluid nimbus]

check the pinned messages

[hollow laurel]

but, with so many things not working, it's a bit meh :p

[harsh swift]

has anybody made e1m1 yet

[fluid nimbus]

one of them has the code for beta branch

[long anchor]

do it Tosoth

we want em

[half vessel]

@harsh swift guarantee you e1m1 for goldsource exists

[harsh swift]

well brutal half life has an e1m1 recreation i think?

[half vessel]

maybe even with textures in the file itself

[hollow laurel]

sure, just want to make it compileable (because too many faces on the sphere)

then i need to move a few doors

[heavy sluice]

Has anyone made Big John Rem Lezar yet?

[hollow laurel]

yay, compiling

[versed wind]

me and a friend are working on making a vinny mod

we are making the cultists rem lezar

ive made the leatherneck meat

[hollow laurel]

so, quick test, move doors, compile and test again, then i'll chuck up a 7z

[versed wind]

and im having trouble replacing the sounds for leatherneck

they dont seem to work

[hollow laurel]

the lightworld step takes a bit since my massive open 3d space :p

doesn't take long ingame for when it bakes stuff

[heavy sluice]

at least rem lezar is getting some rep

[versed wind]

anyone know why sounds arent working?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422382419426148366/662711977952542770/unknown.png

[iron needle]

Sound replacement for enemies doesn't work quite right yet

We will fix

[hollow laurel]

well, that's expected

[versed wind]

ah okay

[elfin warren]

Same with weapon sounds unfortunately

[hollow laurel]

since, from the looks of it, you basically worked your arses off to get something functional out

[versed wind]

i have gotten weapon sounds working

[hollow laurel]

also, a me-thing: i need to stop quitting the game when i finish a test run

[long anchor]

^

dusk boots up way too slow

[iron needle]

since, from the looks of it, you basically worked your arses off to get something functional out essentially yeah lol

[hollow laurel]

i really appreciate it, and you should take a break if needed ._.

since, well, burnout is never fun

[half vessel]

what we have now is great anyway

it’s pretty damn functional

[hollow laurel]

we have enough to get started with stuff

[long anchor]

kill me

[heavy sluice]

pfft you think David should relax and spend time with his family??

[iron needle]

There are a few things I definitely want to fox before we do the official beta announcement

[hollow laurel]

yeah, so doing a sortof.... semi-closed alpha works

[iron needle]

But yeah I'll be working more normal hours for a bit now

And I hope Zombie does too

[hollow laurel]

we give feedback and stuff, so you can sort stuff out

yeah

i did tell him earlier :p

(mostly from own experience of me basically shutting down when i get too stressed from work)

[iron needle]

Yeah feedback is greatly appreciated. We're gonna set up a Trello and try to get it all catalogued

[half vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500927522398142484/662602671194112036/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/500927522398142484/662597397473525760/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/557391328984694796/662691098266828820/unknown.png

[iron needle]

Anyway g2g, will check back later and see how everything is going.

[half vessel]

any game that lets me do this

[iron needle]

@half vessel omg

[half vessel]

is a good game

[heavy sluice]

dave ta tas

[hollow laurel]

well, i'll be finishing testing a bit, and then it'll be super-early dusk version of the absolution series :p

[cobalt sinew]

I can't wait for model replacements

[hollow laurel]

also, my cat just started pulling things off of shelves, so brb

[alpine depot]

the beta branch is out to haunt me, i turned off my computer when it was updating at around 30% and now i boot it back up and it's dropped down to 17%

[hollow laurel]

quits game again AAAHJ

:C

[long anchor]

rip in pepperoni

[hollow laurel]

i'm so happy i can get a 100mbps line in a town of about 1700

[half vessel]

the fastest i can get is like 20 down

[hollow laurel]

:C

[half vessel]

sometimes it goes up to thirty

[alpine depot]

i usually get around 2mbps (fuck you comcast i know you can give me better) on average but it's stuck at 300 kbps

[half vessel]

the best internet in the country is on the us air force bases on our soil

[hollow laurel]

huh, what country?

[half vessel]

australia

[hollow laurel]

aaaaaah

so, fire everywhere, shit internet and spiders

yeah

[half vessel]

spiders are cool

[long anchor]

insert australia joke

[hollow laurel]

no >:|

[half vessel]

the fire isn’t

[hollow laurel]

and serious no

[half vessel]

huntsmen are friends!

[hollow laurel]

(i'm arachnaphobic)

[half vessel]

ah fair

as long as you don’t kill them fair enough

but yeah the fires

those are baaad

looking to be our worst ever

and showing no signs of stopping

[hollow laurel]

worst in the world ever

[half vessel]

the sky turns red in th mornings in smokey places

orange throughout the day

[balmy jetty]

ive only ever done doom1/2 wadding so trying to learn the ropes with TrenchBroom. doesnt anyone else have it where everything leaves trails. even scrolling thru entities

[hollow laurel]

someone posted a pic of a huntsman in a discord once, just because well.... poking fun i guess, i had to stay away from there until the picture was pushed way up

[half vessel]

canberra is currently the most polluted city in the world

fun times

[hollow laurel]

mind that spiders in sweden are tiny as all hell, and none are dangerous to anything larger than a fly

[half vessel]

huntsmen are harmless

they’re not poisonous or anything and they’re actually scared of humans

[hollow laurel]

problem is, they're large

that scares the shit out of me

[half vessel]

they just wanna coexist with humans because houses are good places to catch bugs

[hollow laurel]

compiling

[half vessel]

yeah they’re pretty big

[hollow laurel]

"pretty big"

[half vessel]

the record size was as big as a facehugger lmao

[hollow laurel]

think the largest spider we have body-wise (without legs) is at most 0,8cm or so

[half vessel]

even i wouldn’t go near that one

[hollow laurel]

and those send me into primal fight-or-flight mode

[half vessel]

tbh here it’s the smaller ones you gotta look out for

i’d say our plant life is scarier though

[fringe nymph]

#bnnuy-and-the-jits

[hollow laurel]

aight

[half vessel]

ah yeah

[long anchor]

@hollow laurel what about the map?

[hollow laurel]

bit annoyed that the extra shotgun i'm trying to place isn't showing up...

since, well, map's balanced for quake

[long anchor]

uhm

[hollow laurel]

where you start with a gun

[fringe nymph]

place the pickup higher

just to be sure

[long anchor]

how about moving it up?

yeah

[hollow laurel]

uh :p

[long anchor]

heh

[torpid agate]

Higher

[heavy sluice]

@fringe nymph dont backseat mod

[long anchor]

there's no backseating lol

[hollow laurel]

well, it was a fair point

since we were getting very not dusk-mods

[heavy sluice]

I know its still a part of the rules to not do a mods job

[fringe nymph]

that was backseating u dum dums

[hollow laurel]

well, fair enough

but it's also common courtesy to tell people they're getting way off topic in my opintion ._.

also, guns spawning, just need to open up the level changer

[fringe nymph]

i was just confused af when i saw the conversation so i just wanted to remind ppl theres such channel

[hollow laurel]

yeah, and was a good thing

[long anchor]

oh wait you meant backseating moderator

[hollow laurel]

imo

mind

[long anchor]

srry

[hollow laurel]

heh

[half vessel]

ye we were getting pretty off topic

[heavy sluice]

and you're getting off topic again by continuing the discussion about back seating lol

[hollow laurel]

uh

[fiery garnet]

porn mods when

[long anchor]

no

[hollow laurel]

veers back on-topic nearly done, just trying to fix a few pickups, but is playable on medium

[fiery garnet]

has that old endless map with the water ruins been added yet

[hollow laurel]

hopefully last compile

[half vessel]

i mean

porn mods are up to you

[hollow laurel]

well, first level needs to be basically playable

[half vessel]

you have the textures

get to it

[hollow laurel]

(one secret needs noclip since can't be arsed with water at the moment)

[fiery garnet]

aite

[half vessel]

cut nipple flaps for the leathernecks

[fiery garnet]

hot

[hollow laurel]

eh, good enough.... makes zip

[long anchor]

y e s

[gritty forge]

no func_buttons?

[hollow laurel]

not yet, so my map is.... open :p

[gritty forge]

smh

[hollow laurel]

(i just moved doors around, so i can just move them back when it works)

hmm

you need the wad files, and the quake palette lmp

[drowsy pier]

I made a higher resolution picture of BIG BOI JOHN

[hollow laurel]

unzip into own folder under mnt/local/, with the wads and palette in the absolution folder

[drowsy pier]

if anyone needs it

[half dust]

Anyone know what entity is the big mage?

[long anchor]

oh boy

fun begins

[hollow laurel]

as for playing, without buttons working, when you leave spawn area, go right and follow the path to cathedral, then go back to the first building and jump down the hole

so you sortof get the flow

[long anchor]

gotcha

[balmy jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TjA3Qlmj4U

[hollow laurel]

then, in the pit, there's stairs down to level exit that leads to map2, you need to noclip that

[balmy jetty]

this is what im getting. has anyone ever exp this?

[hollow laurel]

but, can have a look around

hmm, nope

seriously outdated drivers, or super-old graphics card?

[balmy jetty]

its a gtx 1660ti

[hollow laurel]

that's odd

since i have the 1060

[balmy jetty]

with newest nvidia drivers

what ver you using?

trenchbroom i mean

[hollow laurel]

well, i don't use the newest, due to issues....

well, latest trenchbroom build from the github

drivers...

[balmy jetty]

i was getting like 2 fps on quake RTX with last drivers. updated and it was running at like almost 60

yeh same. i just got latest release last night

[iron needle]

One of the first things I'm gonna look into is buttons and triggers for opening doors

[hollow laurel]

yay

for my driver

they've had some issues with some games, along with security issues in later drivers, so i've put off updating for a bit

[balmy jetty]

checking what im on

[hollow laurel]

but, ofc, if you want to use the raytracing stuff.... :|

bit of a rock-hard place thing

[long anchor]

why there's a leatherneck on top of the cathedral

[hollow laurel]

wut

hahaha

well, things i need to sort out

think i messed up doing things for the skybox

also, and sorry for doing this, @iron needle , but someone compared a room in one of my maps to erebus reactor, and that's a feelgood that's gonna last sooooo long :3

[balmy jetty]

26.21.14.4166 weird my version number in dev manager. let me check in geforce exp

[hollow laurel]

also, the leathernecks are originally fiends

in the map

[iron needle]

@hollow laurel I approve

[hollow laurel]

yay

i did want the second map to be.... well, massive, the geometry imposing

the dogs become wendigos

which does throw off the difficulty of the last room in map1 :p

since i made it dogs for easy, dogs + 1 fiend for normal and just a bunch of fiends on hard

but, stuff i'll fix when the fgd is made

[balmy jetty]

441.66 in geforce exp

[hollow laurel]

ah, way newer than mine

could be a driver issue?

[balmy jetty]

thats weird dev manager shows diff. maybe i should try to downgrade

[hollow laurel]

well, could be some weird build number they use

[balmy jetty]

well maybe, but literally trenchbroom is the only thing ive ever had issues with

i guess ill toy with it :/

[hollow laurel]

i just get it from the nvidia control panel (i don't have geforce experience installed because it's a bit of a hog)

[balmy jetty]

thanks

[hollow laurel]

p

...

np

[long anchor]

@hollow laurel nice maps

[half dust]

Just so you know shotgun shells will prevent your map from loading.

[balmy jetty]

they tricked me into using geforce experience with a free quake champions skin lol

[hollow laurel]

yay, thanks :D

[long anchor]

wanna see them remade when SDK will fully work

[hollow laurel]

hah

well, already doing some stuff, since i can work the geometry

gonna extend the bit between abbey and cathedral, for starters

[balmy jetty]

are people just posting maps to this channel?

[hollow laurel]

with some neat things there

well, i did since i posted something new :p

well, kinda new

[balmy jetty]

guess ill have to scroll

[hollow laurel]

stuff i started work on for 6 years ago

or search, from me, and has file

in this channel

[verbal peak]

you can post maps here but i strongly suggest making use of moddb or nexus. something users can easily reference and find

[hollow laurel]

and if you jump there you'll have instructions as well

well, this is super-early, just posted because people wanted

[half dust]

Opening doors causes everything to start lagging.

[sharp trail]

is there a dusk texture wad?

[hollow laurel]

yep, check stickies

or, pinned

[long anchor]

@hollow laurel i was experimenting with quake mapping recently, i've got some maps too. this one is unfinished (they all are), but i tried my best with this one. too bad that lights don't work properly, it looks much much better with proper lights.

[hollow laurel]

oooh, still looks really nice

[gritty forge]

Dusk looking kinda good

[long anchor]

thanks

[hollow laurel]

the front of the thing is really cool, guess i think more in.... straight lines and such :p

still, you have something really awesome going there

[long anchor]

thanks

[hollow laurel]

might use it for some inspiration on how to decorate, because you've used geometry really nicely

[balmy jetty]

it would be cool if there was a channel for only links to mods. moddb or direct, but just a central place that only has links

[hollow laurel]

that'd be neat, i guess

just an arse to moderate :p

[keen bay]

FUCK, I SLEPT ALL DAY

[long anchor]

@hollow laurel lol actually you can load it in quake itself and see how it looks intended way

[hollow laurel]

welp, rip

[verbal peak]

yeah nah. just bookmark the nexus/moddb dusk page like a normal person and check it daily

[hollow laurel]

heh, can't be arsed :p

right now

was getting food ready

well, there's also the thing of really WIP stuff

that you don't really want to upload to those places

but still want feedback

[balmy jetty]

i meant more for the direct links here in discord. i cant for the life of me find what tosoth was talking about

[hollow laurel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/240195284695646209/586508960128040961/662720386391212032

[keen bay]

Sadly I've been putting off an obscene amount of homework and will have to postpone my entry into the dusk sdk

[balmy jetty]

thanks

[hollow laurel]

click that and discord will go to it

instructions follow it

[balmy jetty]

rgr

[hollow laurel]

(that's just my.... well, guess 2kr, since that's the smallest coins we have)

[balmy jetty]

i hope someone makes something like skulldash

[hollow laurel]

Time will tell....

Sooner, or later...

Time... will tell...

[daring carbon]

russian overkill 2 when

[long anchor]

wouldn't it be russian overkill 3?

[daring carbon]

either way, RO for dusk

[long anchor]

^

[hollow laurel]

i read RO as red orchestra

which would be the weirdest way to mod dusk

[long anchor]

duskcraft anyone

[iron needle]

@long anchor aww, not Dusk textures? 😛

[pale pendant]

Does every texture for a particular map have to be in the folder for any of them to appear?

Because no matter what I do textures for bsps don't show.

[long anchor]

what do you mean?

[hollow laurel]

guess for quake map ports

[pale pendant]

Like I made a folder called "maps" and put the bsp in there, and then a folder called "textures" with the jpg format textures.

[iron needle]

@long anchor in that screenshot someone posted

[pale pendant]

But this is all I get

[long anchor]

@pale pendant have you put palette.lmp in your mod folder?

[iron needle]

@pale pendant are they textures for the map or are they supposed to be replacing Dusk textures?

[pale pendant]

They are textures for the map itself.

Those aren't supported are they...

[gritty forge]

Does Dusk support modeled maps than using BSP?

[hollow laurel]

well, not currently

[gritty forge]

Ah.

[hollow laurel]

and, at least what unity tool david used was apparantly a bit.... balls

[pale pendant]

Gonna cry

[iron needle]

@pale pendant they should be I think

[hollow laurel]

making it more impressive that the dusk maps are as cool as they are :3

[iron needle]

@hollow laurel yeah you guys have way easier tools to work with in Trenchbroom than I did

[gritty forge]

As I was gonna port facility from GoldenEye as a joke map. But the game's editing tools export as FBX.

[long anchor]

@iron needle you mean this one?

[iron needle]

Should result in better mapa

[hollow laurel]

two things that are burned into my brain: erebus reactor looking up, and that spiral staircase

[iron needle]

@long anchor yeah, it's not a problem I was just joking 😛

[long anchor]

uhm

[river veldt]

Would love to play dusk on Amid Evil levels.

[long anchor]

anyway i said thanks to Tosoth, map on Jakob's screenshot isn't mine

also it's probably me being dum dum again

[iron needle]

Oh I misunderstood lol

[long anchor]

lol

[desert crane]

Did someone say RTCW maps work?? Lmao

[hollow laurel]

SHIT! HIDE

[long anchor]

that's the map i posted

[hollow laurel]

also, rott2013 to dusk converter when

[long anchor]

just for you to know

[hollow laurel]

well, that's extra breathtaking

[pale pendant]

@long anchor What is this palette file you speak of...

[hollow laurel]

and, i do un-ironically like rott2013

[long anchor]

thanks again

@pale pendant quake palette. someone said that quake textures don't have color actually, so they refer to quake palette

[desert crane]

Yagahaha

Das me

[long anchor]

here, take it

[hollow laurel]

das yu

[iron needle]

@long anchor that's a really cool looking map

[long anchor]

put it in mod folder

[pale pendant]

So I put that where in my SDK folder?

[long anchor]

thanks @iron needle

[hollow laurel]

i chucked it into dusk, and just the geometry for detail was glorious

[balmy jetty]

in /local/$modname

[long anchor]

^

[hollow laurel]

feel like it's gonna take longer to port my stuff over now :p

[long anchor]

SDK/mnt/local/modname

[pale pendant]

Ok testing now

[balmy jetty]

ok so forgive my stupidity, but i have maps working like yours Tosoth. i keep seeing people say the texture wad is in pins. i dont see it

[ember wagon]

Imma yoink that palette too if thats alright. Im still trying to get this to work...

[balmy jetty]

IE i have it working, but is there something im missing?

[long anchor]

cause it's not pinned for some reason

wait a sec

[iron needle]

Oh it's not?

That should be pinned

[hollow laurel]

the dusk one is

[balmy jetty]

your map is great btw

[hollow laurel]

but, the quake one isn't

also thanks :3

think the quake wad is googleable

[balmy jetty]

im playing it now. let me chekc pins again. maybe im missing some textures

[iron needle]

Ahhh gotcha

[balmy jetty]

how am i missing this

[pale pendant]

Adding the palette didn't do anything.

[long anchor]

hmmm

[hollow laurel]

and it's in the mod root dir?

as in local/[whatevs]?

[pale pendant]

Yep.

[balmy jetty]

i have quake wads. im looking for the dusk one. i dont know if something up with discord but i swear to the wendingo god i dont see it

[pale pendant]

All I am trying to do is get the custom jpg textures for the Quake 3 map PadKitchen to show up

[balmy jetty]

can someone please paste it and i will quit bothering

[narrow matrix]

My past experience with modding comes from GZDoom Builder, does the SDK have software make maps custom maps from scratch in a similar manner, or do I need to use another program to make the maps and then use the SDK to load them in?

[long anchor]

@balmy jetty https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586508960128040961/662680941990248488/duskwad_v2.7z

[balmy jetty]

that is definitely not pinned (in mine at least)

thanks

[long anchor]

yeah it's not for some reason

[rich quarry]

which folder do we put the BSP files in again?

[long anchor]

local/modname/maps

SDK/mnt/local/modname/maps if to be precise

[rich quarry]

ah ok

i'll have to make a new folder for em

[long anchor]

yep

[hollow laurel]

i just chucked mine into a folder so it'll probably be easier whenever it's 1) done 2) workshop support :p

[balmy jetty]

for whoever cant get it working after placing everything in the right directories. have you restarted dusk_sdk?

they wont show up until after restart

[hollow laurel]

oh yeah, also

you can go into the mod menu and unselect then select the mod

to make it reload

[long anchor]

^

[balmy jetty]

ah kewl

[hollow laurel]

well, drunk me is gonna do shenanigans for a while, maybe fiddle with map a bit, but, we'll see

anyhow, major thanks @ancient depot , @iron needle and, well, everyone for feedback, and help on stuff

[long anchor]

also you don't really need to restart dusk to test maps. I just run my map, then do few changes in TB and compile it and then i run it again

and it works

[hollow laurel]

if i could, i'd use the nobel prize medal emote

[long anchor]

thanks everyone basically

[iron needle]

👍

[long anchor]

i played the hell out of dusk, i'll play even more since SDK is about to be released

yee

[pale pendant]

Is there a place or site where mods from the community can be downloaded since Workshop isn't coming yet?

[long anchor]

moddb or nexus

[hard stone]

where will I be able to get SDK

[rich quarry]

hmm odd i put all the map files in the folder but they aren't in game

[hard stone]

or dusk hl

also

where can i get the hl maps

[long anchor]

@hard stone pinned messages

[hard stone]

is it the moddb

or the entities.txt

[long anchor]

@rich quarry did you select the mod in "modding"

[rich quarry]

yeah

[long anchor]

uhm

did you put the maps in... "maps" folder?

[rich quarry]

yes

[iron needle]

Has anyone uploaded anything to ModDB yet?

Wanna make sure there aren't weird issues with it before we decide that's the official place

[solar venture]

last time I cheked, no not yet

[narrow matrix]

Doesn't look like it

[long anchor]

@hard stone you need to select beta branch in steam by entering betacode from one of the pinned messages

you get hl maps from hl maps folder

[hollow laurel]

my things are not close to done, so wary of putting them on sites ._.

also, think that steam workshop stuff can be downloaded via external tools, if the dev of game doesn't block it iirc

[balmy thorn]

Are the environmental textures available yet?

[pale pendant]

Just bsps have to be added right not the aas files?

[long anchor]

@iron needle there are no mods to put on moddb yet since some of the necessary stuff don't work

like lights

or water

or skies

etc

we can make rooms with monsters n weapons tho

[balmy thorn]

Nevermind my previous question. I found them.

[long anchor]

like i did

[iron needle]

Right but people have already been asking about places to upload

[long anchor]

makes sense

[iron needle]

Also what about lights doesn't work?

[long anchor]

they work

kinda

they work strange

one sec

[iron needle]

Do you mean lightmaps or light objects?

[long anchor]

like here

[balmy jetty]

@hollow laurel im just kinda using your maps to make sure i know how to set up everything right. when you say wads in absolution/ you were referring to dusk.wad? or also PAK0.PAD PAK1.PAK?

[hard stone]

where will the mods be pinned, in this channel or another

[balmy jetty]

i just notice a lot of black places so not sure if i have everything right

[long anchor]

@iron needle idk honestly

[hollow laurel]

dusk.wad is probably not needed, but quake.wad and palette.lmp

[long anchor]

but there's something off with the lights

[balmy thorn]

Anyone know why Trenchbroom won't load the textures inside the actual texture folder (like it's arranged when you first access mods), and only the sub-folders of the texture folder?

[hollow laurel]

think they've said that the lights are off currently, and will be fixed so it'll be on-par with what we get in quake

[pale pendant]

Anyone know why Quake 3 maps have these gaps? Are these transparent textures or something?

[long anchor]

@balmy thorn ya need to use dusk.wad

[hollow laurel]

off as in weird

that's nothingness

had that since one bit of my massive skycube wasn't sealed ._.

[iron needle]

@pale pendant besier curves aren't supported yet

[hollow laurel]

or that

[pale pendant]

I am sad

[hollow laurel]

also.... david...

[hard stone]

where will the mods be pinned, in this channel or another

[long anchor]

@iron needle that's how my map looks in dusk, compare

[hollow laurel]

i'm doing things with your game

[long anchor]

all the lights on their proper places

[balmy jetty]

when i think quake wads i think the .PAK files. is there a specific "quake.wad" on quaddicted.com you are referring to that needs to be named specifically "quake.wad"

[iron needle]

We don't have a channel for pinning mods

[hollow laurel]

yeah

[hard stone]

so then

[balmy thorn]

@long anchor What wad?

I can't find it.

[hard stone]

where is the mods for the half life for dusk?

the maps

[long anchor]

@balmy thorn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586508960128040961/662680941990248488/duskwad_v2.7z

[hollow laurel]

for the half-life stuff, probably not gonna be released because ip issues

[long anchor]

i personally used quake 1 preset in TB and then i loaded this dusk.wad

[balmy thorn]

@long anchor Nevermind. I solved it by moving all the environmental textures to it's own folder called "environment". Worked like a charm.

[hard stone]

aight

[long anchor]

oh okay

[balmy thorn]

Thanks for the reponse btw 😉

[long anchor]

👍

[hollow laurel]

oh wait, i do use one dusk texture in my map, for that bit really far away in the shot above :p

since it looked menacing

[iron needle]

There are some lightmap related issues we're looking into yeah

[hollow laurel]

my aim basically is that people will feel that brutalistic buildings look like quaint swedish cottages if i do this right

[gritty forge]

Quake 1 maps in Dusk look like Quake 64 ATM due to the light map issues. And I love it.

[hollow laurel]

heh

[long anchor]

i googled "swedish cottage" and they aren't that brutal

hih

[hollow laurel]

well, compare those to brutalism :p

as in the architecture style

[iron needle]

@gritty forge so wait, that sounds like a different issue than what I'm thinking of. Is there something with brightness that's going on?

[hollow laurel]

or, well.... uh..... albert speer's stuff

things made to look really imposing

and overwhelming

[gritty forge]

It just looks brighter to me overall.

[balmy thorn]

@long anchor All the textures in the wad are black for some reason?

[long anchor]

uhm, no

oh

you mean

what do you mean?

[gritty forge]

It might be a placebo effect, or I'm too used to quake source ports.

[long anchor]

also

[hollow laurel]

well, the lights aren't working properly yet :p

[long anchor]

is it just me, or there's something weird with sounds in SDK build?

[balmy thorn]

In the editor.

[hollow laurel]

ah

hmm

[balmy thorn]

They are all black.

[hollow laurel]

that's... odd, haven't seen that, it's either i messed up setting things up, or they're there....

hmm

[iron needle]

@long anchor yeah that's another thing we're looking into

[long anchor]

oh ok

[balmy thorn]

Yeah, alll the textures appear in the texture browser but they are all pitch black.

Never encountered this issue before.

[hollow laurel]

well, just for reference, for my folder structures.... gets pictures

first of all, where i keep the .map files

wads one step up.... opens trenchbroom settings

(just want to rule out any faulty folder settings mind)

[balmy thorn]

The Hitman Absolution sequel nobody asked for

[balmy jetty]

what quake.wad are you using bro?

[hollow laurel]

hmm, think it should be an original-ish one.... not quite sure

[balmy jetty]

https://www.quaddicted.com/files/wads/quakewad.zip

[hollow laurel]

i mean, it's 14 years old, it can nearly drive a moped :p

hmm, that one says 101

so, guess v 1.01

[long anchor]

that's what i used to make my quake maps

^ up here ^

[hollow laurel]

and in trenchbroom my game path is set up as thus:

[balmy thorn]

@iron needle Should it be okay to create a sub-folder in the textures folder and copy the environmental textures there while also keeping them in the main textures folder? For some odd reason Trenchbroom won't open them unless they are in their own respective folder, but if I move them then they disappear from the menu once I load the mod.

[hollow laurel]

oh yeah, there are issues with those

there's the dusk.wad to overcome that

but you need the quake palette file

[balmy thorn]

With black textures 😛

[long anchor]

[hollow laurel]

hmmm

drunk tosoth tries to solve tech problem, no guarantees

[balmy thorn]

Prays

[long anchor]

maybe there's something with TB settings?

like

[iron needle]

@ @balmy thorn I'm actually not sure sorry lol

Zombie would know but he's asleep atm

[balmy thorn]

No sweat 😉 I'll figure something out.

[hollow laurel]

imma add nicotine to this

[long anchor]

i know you can turn on/off grid, maybe there's something like this that makes it black?

[hollow laurel]

because tech issues annoy me, even if it's someone else's

[gritty forge]

Where is the SDK?

[long anchor]

read pinned messages

[hollow laurel]

check pinned for code to get into the steam beta

[long anchor]

^

[hollow laurel]

then, well, check other pins, and also search this channel

[long anchor]

can someone pin message with wad BlessRNG

[balmy jetty]

whos going to be first to make nuts

[long anchor]

that's a good question

[balmy jetty]

you know it will happen 😛

[long anchor]

there might be a problem with performance

[gritty forge]

Can't find it.

[long anchor]

since doom uses sprites

and dusk uses 3d models

[balmy jetty]

oh im sure there will be performance issues. that will be the fun

[long anchor]

i think same amount of enemies will kill your pc

[balmy jetty]

when your computer gets too hot to touch, you know it is working

[long anchor]

@gritty forge what can't you find?

[balmy jetty]

sean: check last pin, at the top before the list of notes

[small gate]

the solution is making dusklite, pre-bake all animations into sprite frames

👍

[hollow laurel]

@balmy thorn first off, list off what graphics card you have and driver version, im gonna google-fu a bit

[long anchor]

sprited BJ

[balmy thorn]

@hollow laurel It works flawlessly with Quake, Wrath etc, so I doubt that's the issue.

[hollow laurel]

oaky

okay even, just checking

and i guess the texture collections thing looks like this for you (maybe sans dusk.wad)?

[balmy thorn]

Mhm

[hollow laurel]

hmm

and your structure follows the rules....

[balmy thorn]

Yeah

That's why it's so strange.

It should work.

[hollow laurel]

what trenchbroom build are you on?

[balmy thorn]

Quake

[hollow laurel]

as in version

[balmy thorn]

Right

[hollow laurel]

https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom/releases

for reference

[balmy thorn]

v2019.5

[balmy jetty]

even tho this SDK build is very alpha, it was a good move to release it. we can spend this time getting accustomed to everything and learning

[hollow laurel]

try upgrading to .6 first

see if that solves it

[balmy thorn]

Alright 😉

[balmy jetty]

by the time the updated versions come out everyone will have a running start

[hollow laurel]

i'll keep looking

[long anchor]

@balmy jetty also it's good for bug hunting and testing stuff

[acoustic hedge]

https://i.imgur.com/Ps6jPfk.jpg

[balmy jetty]

ya

[hollow laurel]

yup

ooh, nifty

[acoustic hedge]

i started this map a couple of months ago an now im picking it up again since the sdk alpha is out

[hollow laurel]

heh, pretty much in the same place :D

[long anchor]

^

i'll probably remake my "obnoxious cathedral" for dusk tho

[balmy thorn]

Didn't solve it.

[long anchor]

rip

[hollow laurel]

hmmm... shit

[balmy thorn]

Guess I'll use the Quake 3 setup for now 😦

[hollow laurel]

anything in the console when you load it up?

on my end it's this without any following or preceeding errors:

[iron needle]

by the time the updated versions come out everyone will have a running start that and also this is the best way to test it and get feedback

[hollow laurel]

guess there'll also be a more... adapted build of trenchbroom? :p

[iron needle]

Oh I see Veven already said that lol

[hollow laurel]

fgd and all

[iron needle]

Yeah good for big hunting

[hollow laurel]

yep

alexfalls' problem is kicking my arse tho

[iron needle]

Yeah @hollow laurel

We're working on the fgd

[balmy thorn]

"Could not load palette file 'gfx\palette.lmp': FIle not found: 'gfx\palette.lmp'"

[hollow laurel]

think darth zombie said that before

ooooh

[long anchor]

what's fgd?

oh

[hollow laurel]

there ya go

[long anchor]

that's the thing for models to show up?

[hollow laurel]

and entities/triggers and such

[long anchor]

or rather entities in entity tab?

[hollow laurel]

everything basically

[long anchor]

double y e s

[hollow laurel]

so, google up "quake palette.lmp"

there's a wiki-link high-up with a download

chuck that where the wad files are

[lusty dew]

palette.Imp is in PAK00

[hollow laurel]

if you have quake, and the tools to unpack it

it can't be directly shared here because ip stuff..... but, well, telling someone to google something i think is fine enough :p

[long anchor]

ip stuff?

[hollow laurel]

intellectual property

[long anchor]

ah i see

[hollow laurel]

because zenimax owns that particular file basically

since it's quite specific and all, and originally only distributed as part of the quake pak files

[night nacelle]

when i load a texture wad all of the textures in the preview are all black

am i doing something wrong?

[hollow laurel]

well, good you came here now

[long anchor]

wait i think i posted something quake related

[hollow laurel]

scroll up a tiny bit

[long anchor]

i'm going to jail bye

[hollow laurel]

hahaha

think it's fine

since another dude has the same problem

probably that you are missing the palette.lmp file

[balmy thorn]

It still didn't work 😩

[long anchor]

also it's time learn how to model and animate

cause we'll ned that

@balmy thorn that's bad

hmm

[hollow laurel]

and you have your .map in a mod folder... the wads and lmp in the folder above...

fuck

[long anchor]

@balmy thorn can you send a pic?

[hollow laurel]

(use imgur, since you need to post for a bit before you can just paste stuff)

[balmy thorn]

ok

How should the folder structure look like btw? I saved/compile the map under the "maps" folder in the mod, and put the wad in the textures folder.

Along with the palette.imp

[hollow laurel]

nonono

wad in the root

[balmy thorn]

oh

[long anchor]

palette in the root too

wait

[hollow laurel]

as such

[ebon jetty]

im dumb time to figure out how to use the sdk

[long anchor]

i don't have wad in root folder

in fact it lies on the desktop

and everything works

[hollow laurel]

well, mod root i have mine

[long anchor]

wut

[hollow laurel]

think it bakes the textures in when you compile

if the compiler finds the stuff

[long anchor]

^

[balmy thorn]

Fml. Didn't work.

[worn bear]

right now the sdk is coming we can expect hdusk

[long anchor]

@hollow laurel fun fact i just remembered: that cathedral i built in quake inspired by the one from e3m1 of dusk

[hollow laurel]

hah, awesome

all my stuff was started before i even heard of dusk <_<

and basically just me winging it via rule of cool

[long anchor]

i started mapping when duskdevs said that we will be using TB to build maps

"so you can start practicing already" or something like that

[hollow laurel]

it did make me take a stint to learn trenchbroom after about a year of inactivity <_<

[balmy thorn]

Got it to work

[hollow laurel]

yay

[long anchor]

what was the problem?

[balmy thorn]

Thanks for the help guys.

[hollow laurel]

np :D

[balmy thorn]

Me being dumb, basically. I had set my Trenchbroom working folder to the Dusk mod folder and not the actual Trenchbroom folder. Been months since I did any Trenchbroom setup 😛

[hollow laurel]

._.

well, fixed anyhow :3

[long anchor]

[gritty forge]

Thanks modding community.

Very cool

[fluid nimbus]

good

[balmy thorn]

That's actually way more frightening than the vanilla texture.

[acoustic hedge]

@hollow laurel what application are you using to compile maps? cause the one im using is not working or im doing it wrong

[hollow laurel]

sec

1. download the latest release from https://github.com/ericwa/ericw-tools/releases

[acoustic hedge]

got that

[hollow laurel]

2. stick said things in trenchbroom/utils

[balmy thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gONePWocbqA

[acoustic hedge]

oh ok

[ebon jetty]

i for some reason cannot find palette.lmp

[hollow laurel]

3. my current setup

google "quake palette.lmp", should be able to find it (there's a quakewiki link that has a download for it)

[acoustic hedge]

thanks

[hollow laurel]

well, mostly np (because i want to play some remnant) ;p

[ebon jetty]

rt

tty

[hollow laurel]

hehe, :3

[ebon jetty]

this is my first time tinkering with stuff like this please point me in the right direction

i looked at the pins

[hollow laurel]

okay, where you at in the setup chain?

[ebon jetty]

i can't post pictures

uh

[hollow laurel]

you can upload to imgur and link

[ebon jetty]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357988625658675202/662754024847835176/unknown.png

[hollow laurel]

ah, nah, that won't work

needs to be the quake wad file, along with the palette.lmp file in.... in your case the quake_maps folder

in my case it looks like this

with absolution being my mod folder

[ebon jetty]

and then what is maps for

[hollow laurel]

i have the .map and .bsp there

basically as a working folder, for the moment, should probably sort that out at some point

then again, meh, don't care if people get the source files for my maps

[ebon jetty]

aight just a sec i'll throw those files in

[agile fjord]

what tool would I use for mapping? trenchbroom?

[hollow laurel]

yep

probably the easiest to use/get into

[ebon jetty]

i've used i forget what doom map editor

that one wasn't that bad

if trench is easier that's even nicer

[hollow laurel]

well, you need something that can make quake 1/3 or hl1 maps :p

and for that style... trenchbroom was really nice for me

moved to that from worldcraft

[long anchor]

ugh

i can't imagine using worldcraft after trench

[hollow laurel]

yup

[long anchor]

uhh

[hollow laurel]

and most of what i made was in worldcraft

[agile fjord]

is there a specific preference for dusk on trenchbroom or should I just click generic?

[balmy thorn]

@agile fjord I use Quake 1

[long anchor]

i suggest using quake

[hollow laurel]

well, quake works nicely since the game translates stuff over

they're working on a proper dusk profile

[long anchor]

^

[agile fjord]

cool cool

[hollow laurel]

but it's quite a bit of work

[fluid nimbus]

looking forward to the dusk profile

to not have to deal with wads anymore

[ebon jetty]

@hollow laurel I'm assuming I get quake.wad from quaddicted or something like that

[hollow laurel]

yeah

just something equivalent to a patched retail wad

dusk.wad is pinned here

[ebon jetty]

i swear im dumb because i don't see it

[hollow laurel]

huh, it was unpinned

[long anchor]

i wasn't pinned at the first place

[hollow laurel]

think it was

[acoustic hedge]

so i tried to compile my map and this happened
https://i.imgur.com/qkrIrr1.png

[hollow laurel]

hmm

[iron needle]

What's the dusk wad link? Anyone have it handy?

[hollow laurel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586508960128040961/662680941990248488/duskwad_v2.7z

[acoustic hedge]

pin that

[iron needle]

Dusk wad to use in Trenchbroom: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586508960128040961/662680941990248488/duskwad_v2.7z

[hollow laurel]

latest darth zombie put up

[terse flame]

i wanna play dusk mods now gimme

[coral arrow]

can I play fortnite in dusk

[terse flame]

disgraceful

[acoustic hedge]

scripting isnt out yet and we are making maps now

[ebon jetty]

i want to learn how to make them instead of being lazy as i am as always

[terse flame]

unworthy

[hollow laurel]

was it a map you made from scratch?

[terse flame]

also , does half life in dusk actually work or was it custom made?

[acoustic hedge]

yeah it works

[gritty forge]

Anyone gonna do Serious Sam maps?

[hollow laurel]

those will take actual work

since their code is based on the fairly well documented bsp formats

that is open source and all

and has been for a looooong time

[gritty forge]

I hope to see Serious Dusk

[hollow laurel]

hmm, all i can think of is to check the directories of your game profile, and the settings for compiling

[ebon jetty]

|| where do i find .map and .bsp files again? this is what i get for having not played through quake yet ||

[hollow laurel]

mine for refence

quake just has bsp files, in the pak's

.map are the source files

[ebon jetty]

ye

[hollow laurel]

basically just text files

[ebon jetty]

aight

[iron needle]

@terse flame loading up any HL map should work, minus some textures (Dusk doesn't support wads yet)

[terse flame]

thank you

[kindred epoch]

https://streamable.com/ymtge

[terse flame]

imma wait a few weeks until the game gets more mods

[small gate]

no more mods, sdk is canceled

[acoustic hedge]

The error im having when compiling is when light.exe is almost finished
https://i.imgur.com/iQwAhb1.png

tries to load my map but cant find it

[ebon jetty]

rats rats we are the rats

[hollow laurel]

check paths in the compiler settings

so it refers to the bsp

[acoustic hedge]

https://i.imgur.com/7PRLNOJ.png

[hollow laurel]

need to see all of them, to get the whole picture (hue)

[lusty dew]

dang, the Quake maps lag quite a bit, anything i can do about that?

[acoustic hedge]

whoops

https://i.imgur.com/qj9J9EW.png