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#dusk-modding
versed wind
fluid nimbus
does it use a palette too or what
ancient depot
versed wind
thought he pinned my message there my heart stopped
ancient depot
lmao
high magnet
Hey do the Dusk maps need to be VIS'd?
long anchor
@ancient depot and... how it actually works?
ancient depot
the .wad or the tool?
long anchor
tool
ancient depot
you use it on the command line, instructions are on the releases page
for example, if you have palette.lmp in the same folder as the tool, and a textures folder
you do
makewad textures palette.lmp mywad.wad
small gate
okay now that's more like it
ancient depot
Nice!
small gate
the code stinks major ass but it's something
ancient depot
Now split that into multiple meshes using the BSP tree and you'll see why Dusk doesn't have occlusion culling for user maps yet
little bay
can we change the game over screen?
ancient depot
That will be part of scripting
small gate
lmfao yeah, I get the reason why there's no vis now
balmy thorn
Not sure if this has been addressed, but not all of the entites' in the entities list seem to be assigned to the correct name. I placed an "item_serum" and was greeted by Big John instead when I launched the map, and pistols won't spawn for me at all.
monster_army and object_forklift worked though, as an example.
civic sentinel
Can’t wait to make some new weapons for dusk once the models can be replaced!
gritty forge
o🅱️ject
viscid sinew
Not just replaced
ancient depot
@balmy thorn I think it's pickup_serum
viscid sinew
added and scripted to be something new entirely!
balmy thorn
That's what I meant
balmy thorn
Actually gman might've been what spawned Big John, but yeah, pistols won't spawn.
balmy thorn
Also do we need to include vis files?
ancient depot
no
balmy thorn
Ok
ancient depot
they're not used currently
balmy thorn
gotcha
fast ridge
infidel_1.flac
lusty dew
where can i find the Half Life BSP?
balmy thorn
I just added a generic entity and renamed it.
small gate
just gonna leave this here
ancient depot
You can find Half-Life's BSPs in valve/maps in your Half-Life game folder
long anchor
lusty dew
thanks mate
long anchor
at least light entity works
ancient depot
Lightmaps are wonky with Quake 1 & Half-Life BSPs, we're still trying to fix that
I recommend double checking maps in Quake for lighting
If it looks correct in Quake, it'll look correct in Dusk once we fix the problem
lusty dew
do i copy and paste all the BSPs into SDK/mnt/yada yada yada?
ancient depot
Yes
gritty forge
It's so great to see developers actually supporting modding unlike Nintendo and other companies like them trying to sue modders
balmy thorn
Any idea why certain items won't spawn? The serum won't spawn either.
long anchor
Zombie, wad is supposed to be used in trenchbroom or i should put it somewhere?
ancient depot
Even through pickup_serum?
long anchor
me dum dum
ancient depot
Can you send me a map?
balmy thorn
ok
small gate
totally going to be injecting this on my dusk.wad (fixed the hair sry)
half dust
When I load my map it's black for a second then puts me back on the loading scream but with the in game HUD.
Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
long anchor
it failed to load
honest stag
what did you make the map with?
half dust
TB
balmy thorn
Same happened to me until I switched to the quake 3 map format and a new compiler (at the same time, so I don't know which of those was the real issue).
honest stag
only time my map wasnt loading is when player info start wasnt present
half dust
I have info_player_start from Quake. Maybe thats why.
lusty dew
how do i fox the lack of textures?
half dust
I think so.
lunar shale
long anchor
I have info_player_start from Quake. Maybe thats why.
mine works
half dust
Maybe because I have no level end trigger.
honest stag
weird stuff
half dust
Hmm
half dust
Wait what?
honest stag
dll?
long anchor
At first maps didn't work and Zombie sent the dll fix or something
half dust
This is news to me.
raven kiln
Do you know any tutorial about
How to use dusk textures and dusk stuff in trenchbroom
I am new to this programm and I have been sitting for a while
Trying to find the solutions
Solution*
half vessel
@small gate 
viscid sinew
Guides are on the way
long anchor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662546782873714709/662551853468221440/NewBlood.dll
put this in SDK/bin/win_x64/Dusk_Data/Managed
That thing
honest stag
download the dusk.wad
in trenchbroom, choose Face on the right panel
down below there should be a texture collections thing
add the dusk wad to it
still raptor
@half dust if you send us an output log when you get that issue, we can troubleshoot it
I wouldn't just be using random dlls lol
small gate
@half vessel now theres a good reason to get that discord nitro
half dust
@still raptor Not sure how to do that.
still raptor
Try the dll actually, just consulted with zombie
Seems some texture offsets can cause that
There will be a patch for this stuff later today likely
half dust
I'm in. Now my map is just unlit.
long anchor
do you have textures?
half dust
Yes
long anchor
wtf
half dust
I just haven't placed any lights.
honest stag
oh makes sense
half dust
Maybe if I add sunlight.
long anchor
lights need to be compiled too right?
i think?
yeeesss?
half dust
Oh the worldspawn has a light value but I guess its not inherited.
torpid agate
that dll helped me out
long anchor
everything except textures works fine for me.
actually let me check if sunlight works
honest stag
so uh
i want to use the uv editor thing to properly allign textures but it's empty
how exactly do i make a texture appear there?
in trenchbroom
google gives no help whatsoever
ancient depot
New hotfix incoming for some bugs
- Fixed some items disappearing under the floor on spawn
- Fixed some maps not loading their textures properly
- object_forklift is no longer rotated onto its side
honest stag
sick
long anchor
@half dust sunlight works for me
ancient depot
hotfix
fluid nimbus
is the fix on steam or I have to download that
ancient depot
It'll be on steam whenever the next patch drops
fluid nimbus
kk
ancient depot
gotta wait for David to wake up and do a build
still raptor
Well specifically your light has built incorrectly if the map is pitch black
Or you don't have enough lights
fluid nimbus
click on any of the brushes and change the light
to have some ambient light
when you make the soundtrack for a retro fps https://i.imgur.com/XilmFHo.png
oh man, I tried turning off the dusk mod
font is ded
ancient depot
yeah we need to lock dusk on lmao
fluid nimbus
it auto turns back on if you load a campaign level
hollow laurel
aaah, 15 minutes of work, then 30m-ish of commute, then i can actually start porting and starting to finish my old quake stuff
fluid nimbus
I wonder, is there gonna be a way to change the menu background and UI in later builds?
supple cradle
https://imgur.com/a/O7I0MLA does this link work? the new .dll fixed the missing textures, this quake xmas jam map now works perfectly! ❤️
fluid nimbus
or before the open source version whenever that comes
hollow laurel
barely got stuff set up this morning before leaving (and thankfully texture wad now since i for some reason used hlbsp for quake maps)
long anchor
h o w
ancient depot
It's not working for some people
supple cradle
yes, I just replaced it
I also have the palette.lmp right outside the maps folder, like you said. Nothing else.
fluid nimbus
I found the crowbar hit audio 👀
what's the name of the sound file for melee hits
ain't in the sickle folder
half dust
File: ChapeloftheDamned.bsp
************ ERROR ************
LoadEntities: not 2/3 values for _sun_mangle
What does that mean?
unborn karma
Where is the Mandrill Maze
lusty dew
Where are the Quake BSPs located?
torpid agate
in the pak's
torpid agate
rush b
lusty dew
What do I do with the PAKs?
fluid nimbus
well I replaced the metal box sound with HL1 crowbar sound
since I can't find the melee hit sound
half dust
I have seen the light!
fluid nimbus
don't have anything that can record a video with sound tho
half dust
I have no textures tho.
fluid nimbus
is it a quake 1 format map
half dust
Yeah
fluid nimbus
do you have the palette.lmp in your mod's folder
ancient depot
Maybe we should add a feature that automatically grabs palette.lmp from Quake on Steam if you own it
ancient depot
It's inside PAK0.PAK
fluid nimbus
ah
yeah idk how to open that
the loading issue with arcane dimension didn't get fixed yet right
ancient depot
nope
half dust
Am I supposed to put that pallet somewhere?
fluid nimbus
oof
put it in the mod folder
where your map and texture folders are
I think I'm just gonna continue making textures & models until there's a clear way to make maps without palettes tbh
half dust
Holy shit!
still raptor
You can pretty easily make a map without a palette
half dust
I have textures.
still raptor
I'll write something up later
half dust
Thanks!
still raptor
I'm out
fluid nimbus
I tried making a quake 3 map in trenchbroom and it wont let me import textures
honest stag
btw flames your map looks amazing
lusty dew
do i have to extract everything from PAK00 and PAK01?
civic sentinel
Is it just me or is this build quite stuttery? Not feeling as silky smooth as dusk normally would? I’m guessing this is because it’s beta?
half dust
It lags like crazy for me.
honest stag
yeah had the same
half dust
I thought maybe it's because some entities are messed up or something.
I have a random floating switch in the middle of nowhere.
Not sure where it came from.
civic sentinel
Yeah all the custom maps that I’ve loaded stutter a lot, I’m glad I’m not alone aha I’m sure it’ll be ironed out though
fluid nimbus
have peoples uploaded their maps yet
honest stag
some, yeah
after watching other people's maps i dont want to show my "ass spaceship" to anyone ever lol
tepid flint
gUyS i JuSt FiNiShEd DuSk So ExCiTeD fOr ThE aSs DeE kAy
last talon
Vriska you new to mapping or a returning one?
honest stag
new
basically when i heard about dusk sdk i started screwing around in trenchbroom for the first time
spent like a month learned barely anything but made a very shitty map, now i'm making a "sequel" which will be a lot better hopefully
last talon
thats how it starts :D
long anchor
almost the same for me ^
last talon
shouldnt ever be ashamed of what you do even if it's just two sticks crossed in an empty room you still made it
only way is up
long anchor
that's true
fluid nimbus
so did anyone upload a dusk format thing for trenchbroom yet
honest stag
yea guess so
i hope to make a full on episode step by step
long anchor
i always say something like this to myself when i try something new @last talon
last talon
uhh.. does this already support jack?
fluid nimbus
I want to make a map pack with a single player hub you come back to that changes as you progress, prolly gonna have to wait for scripting
last talon
I havent even looked at it yet
hmm it should tho
if I can just get it set up right which wont happen on the first time lol
ancient depot
@fluid nimbus Yes, hubs are a bit complex to do "the right way", they'll probably be added when we support Half-Life style map transitions
fluid nimbus
I think I'm gonna need proper scripting for what I want to do anyway
ancient depot
And I can confirm there do seem to be some stutter issues, we've noticed it internally
It's under investigation
fluid nimbus
any idea what's gonna be added in the next proper patch?
ancient depot
Custom models, most likely
fluid nimbus
ayy
fluid nimbus
kk
half dust
What the big mages called?
long anchor
heh
half dust
wizard?
ivory magnet
from what i remember, yea
viscid iris
Mods works on gog too?
ivory magnet
if the build's been uploaded to gog already, yeah.
the only thing the gog version won't ssupport is the steam workshop
last talon
was gonna load up quake but then I remembered that the maps are still in the .pak and just decided to play Dark Souls 
ivory magnet
for very obvious reasons
viscid iris
Mmm so how can download them if ppl only put on workshop?
verbal peak
i think moddb and nexus will be the real hubs for maps and mods. workshop will be secondary
ivory magnet
that's gonna be a bit tricky unfortunately
last talon
think so too because tbh workshop is horrible to browse and use
ivory magnet
yeah, you gotta hope or ask the author to uipload the mod to a 3rd party site
yeah i hope the modding community chooses something like nexus as their main place to go
last talon
kinda hoping steam workshop will be where the memester mods are
and the real ones somewhere else
ivory magnet
steam workshop is kinda blegh other than it being easy to access
last talon
so you dont have to wade through shit
viscid iris
Mmm gotcha, don't think that modders will want to make a mod only for one type on users, or i hope so
last talon
if they do its their bad really
ivory magnet
if all else fails you can always ask a friend or someone on here to download the mod for you
viscid iris
Ah ok, it will work then. Yeah a friend of mine have it on steam so I'm covered in case
gritty forge
tbh i don't blame people uploading mods one place only. Once you have more than one mod made it gets tiring to upload threads and stuff in many websites every update
ancient depot
verify cache?
long anchor
nice idea
ancient depot
For reference, the patch is 23mb on my end
ancient depot
gritty forge
Achivement Unlocked!
long anchor
Achivement Unlocked!
true vale
Achivement Unlocked!
hollow laurel
woo
long anchor
that's super strange
it works in quake, but in patched dusk
also it works on your end
ancient depot
so uh
UI seems to have been broken by this patch?
the HUD doesn't work and the mod menu shows the default HDusk joke screen
gritty forge
Zombie plz
long anchor
is it?
ancient depot
gonna verify integrity
long anchor
nope
ancient depot
just me then, that's a relief
ancient depot
yeah the mod menu has placeholder text that says HDusk
fluid nimbus
lmao
ancient depot
you never see it because it gets cleared before it's shown
acoustic hedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543624452865523728/662663097949093888/dark_claw.png
What was this weapon gonna be? It's named "dark_claw"
gritty forge
the claw that shoots the pewpew
ancient depot
not yet
fluid nimbus
That's a really crusty texture
ancient depot
ok that makes sense
long anchor
hollow laurel
oops
i validated just in case, had two :p
woooooo https://imgur.com/a/9x4FUC7
also, duskdude is pretty tall :p
but, map at least loading, with textures :D
gritty forge
No graphics
fluid nimbus
oof crash when loading Q1 maps
fluid nimbus
the first one that showed up, had ac in the name
ancient depot
ac?
fluid nimbus
I just yeeted the id1 folder in the mod folder for reference
ancient depot
like b_rock2 or whatever it's called for example
gritty forge
leme just make models in the map editor - someone at id
ancient depot
pretty much
half dust
I changed some entities and now it's taking forever to compile.
fluid nimbus
how do you even open the .pak
or wherever the default quake maps are
ancient depot
You can use a program called Slade3 for that
fluid nimbus
kk
ancient depot
gritty forge
it will fire medium speed projectiles at you watch out
long anchor
@ancient depot quake maps don't have textures too
gritty forge
Slade3 is the standard Doom mods pk3 editor, highly trusted
fluid nimbus
but what projectile
ancient depot
@long anchor missing palette.lmp?
ancient depot
or maybe it's in a mod folder that isn't turned on
spiral nexus
hey I am not really sure if this is really right place to ask, but would it be possible to make info_player_teamspawn behave as a normal spawnpoint to add compatibility for TFC maps?
long anchor
palette.lmp
what's this btw
ancient depot
It's the Quake colour palette
spiral nexus
Cheers a lot! @ancient depot
ancient depot
The textures in the BSP don't actually have colours in them
ancient depot
They just refer to colours in the palette
long anchor
ok
ancient depot
So we can't load the textures without the palette
hollow laurel
just google "quake palette.lmp" to find it
drowsy pier
Been grinding on this shit for like 13 hours now
long anchor
and where do i put it? maps folder?
hollow laurel
in the mod root folder
long anchor
ok
fluid nimbus
wtf is up with the framerate
hollow laurel
so /mnt/local/[mod]/
long anchor
yeah got it
ancient depot
just added support for info_player_teamspawn, it'll be in the next patch
hollow laurel
just wanted to be sure :3
spiral nexus
Great, looking forward to it 👍
hollow laurel
yay
fluid nimbus
HUUUH
you can get achievements from modded maps, even when using cheats
just accidentally got pacifist, untouchable and another one
ancient depot
yup
fluid nimbus
low tech
long anchor
AHAHAHA YEEESS
https://imgur.com/9ddbVoP
gritty forge
First thing I'm gonna do when I have the time is replace some weapon (and maybe enemy) sounds.
civic scarab
Recreate orange map pls
long anchor
i just put quake palette in my mod folder and now it works
vale vessel
hate to ask, but how do I access the sdk?
fluid nimbus
check the pinned
long anchor
pinned messages
vale vessel
cool
long anchor
indeed
vale vessel
its going to be a long road ahead
fluid nimbus
get beta, press launch from the steam library, select dusk sdk, launch
long anchor
i think you need secret code to access it
hollow laurel
well, "secret" :p
hollow laurel
think it's just a cover-asses thing, so that people don't expect it to be a finished or fully working thing :p
gritty forge
Know what?
fluid nimbus
it's literally called a beta
verbal peak
congrats!
hollow laurel
neato
ancient depot
man what a night
ancient depot
at least those bugs were easy to fix
long anchor
ok that was offtop
ancient depot
...mostly
ancient depot
It's a necessity
It doesn't even really need to be the Quake palette, you just need any valid palette.lmp so the game has some colours to work with
In the future we'll embed a palette into the code so that won't be necessary
gritty forge
Zombie IT department is successful once again
fluid nimbus
can it be a palette with every color ever
ancient depot
has to be a 768 byte file with 256 colours (24-bit RGB)
long anchor
It's a necessity
then sorry for bothering you with nonexistant problem
fluid nimbus
oof
ancient depot
Nah there was definitely a bug that I discovered relating to textures when I first ran your map
I had a palette but it still didn't work at the time
gritty forge
Guys guys stay with me, Quake Palette but brown shades are replaced with pink
hollow laurel
well, guess when png stuff working properly you won't need it?
long anchor
ah i see
hollow laurel
since, as some have said, the quake textures don't really have any colour data
fluid nimbus
still looking forward to someone making a dusk profile or something for trenchbroom so I don't have to use texture wads to make maps anymore
hollow laurel
since og game limited to 256 colours
(and ofc palette shifting for stuff when needed)
vale vessel
hate to ask yet again, but I have no idea how 'up to code' the sdk is(considering it is in beta), so does it resemble an sdk for other games. I'd like to make maps for Dusk, but I'd like to hone in my skills so to speak
hollow laurel
well, you should get trenchbroom (https://kristianduske.com/trenchbroom/) to make maps
fluid nimbus
the sdk is basically everything but a sdk right now
it's just a version of the game that run mods
hollow laurel
dusk can handle q1/q3 bsp's along with hl bsp's
ancient depot
@hollow laurel
well, guess when png stuff working properly you won't need it?
Yes and no
You'll just have the option of loading PNGs instead of the embedded ones
hollow laurel
hmm
shit
now i feel a need to convert to that... only wondering how much of an arse moving from hlbsp
(i didn't know about bsp2 when i started making these, so hlbsp was just... well, extended upon original q1 bsp)
supple cradle
Man, thanks to Darth Zombie and everyone involved for patiently answering our questions and shit ❤️
hollow laurel
oh yeah, this is totes swell
long anchor
t h a n k s
fluid nimbus
ancient depot
@hollow laurel If you use ericw tools it's as easy as adding -bsp2 to the compile settings
long anchor
is it possible now to make a proper sky box?
harsh swift
so
young prairie
Dusk Workshop support when
harsh swift
any notable mods yet
acoustic hedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543624452865523728/662672666183860224/20200103075901_1.jpg
Unused Preistes Texture
ancient depot
skyboxes aren't supported yet
but you could fake it with a huge box surrounding your map I guess
hollow laurel
well, at this point it seems to be mostly memes :p
long anchor
ok
harsh swift
Lol
fluid nimbus
do you need wads for trenchbroom regardless of map format or there's a format where you don't need to use wads, not even for editing
hollow laurel
well, i was already planning to add stuff like that since i do like 3d skyboxes
long anchor
gonna make underground level then, uhehe
hollow laurel
you'll need the wads to make textures show up, but it loads stuff in relation to where the maps are
ancient depot
@fluid nimbus Quake 3 BSP is the only one you don't require a wad for currently
gritty forge
make sewer levels
fluid nimbus
I tried quake 3 format and it wouldn't let me import textures
ancient depot
But Quake 3 BSP isn't fully supported yet so I don't recommend going with that over Quake 1 BSP
fluid nimbus
then again I don't own Q3
long anchor
nooo not sewers
ancient depot
You need to convert the textures from TGA to PNG
fluid nimbus
is there anything beside the weird bezier stuff that's broken tho
hollow laurel
so, i setup a dusk game thing in trenchbroom (with a way too large icon), setup folders and such, and it finds the quake and dusk wads for me
ancient depot
Yes
fluid nimbus
ah
hollow laurel
ponders if he should retexture to use dusk textures instead, since DUSK
since i still need to expand the map, due to duskdude being really fucking fast :p
fluid nimbus
still doesn't do anything when I drag in trenchbroom
vale vessel
does q3 have any real advantages?
ancient depot
Quake 3 BSP support currently lacks:
- Crucial entities (like teleporters)
- Collision brushes (it just uses the visual geometry for collision right now)
- Shaders (some textures will load, but most will show up as missing because the shader tells the game which textures to use)
- Bezier surfaces
ancient depot
Q3 BSP has major advantages
fluid nimbus
so there isn't really a way to use external textures without shit breaking right now
ancient depot
It loads much faster because we don't have to generate lightmaps
It has native support for full colour lightmaps
Collision is much more robust and tweakable
And you can use external textures really easily
Well basically
we only support textures in the root "textures" folder for q3bsp right now
So if you have textures in say, textures/space/, they won't load
you need to move them into textures/
and they have to be PNG or JPG, no TGAs
fluid nimbus
yeah I know
it's just that I can't use external textures on anything beside Q3 as far as I can tell
torpid agate
that texture folder trick worked for return to castle wolfenstein
fluid nimbus
kk
ancient depot
Wait, RTCW maps load?
fluid nimbus
I'll just make more textures and models since then
ancient depot
?????
torpid agate
yesir
torpid agate
lemme pull up a screenshot
gritty forge
gritty forge
It was pretty much as brown
half dust
I've got some really weird stuff happening like the rotating doors are all over the place and the scarecrows are lying down.
small gate
you'd be tired too if you had to stand up and still for days waiting for the god damned intruder
ancient depot
rotating doors aren't supported yet
hollow laurel
and cat decides to be extra annoying now of all times
ancient depot
atm a rotating door just spawns as a func_illusionary so it doesn't block your way
scarecrows lying down is... odd though
half dust
It's the scarecrow that you can like wake up you know.
ancient depot
oh, monster_scarecrow_post?
half dust
yeah
torpid agate
half dust
Cool
gritty forge
Nice dude
torpid agate
Some of the textures missing when I converted Wolfenstein textures to png
hollow laurel
think i'm waiting for a proper fgd before mucking about with stuff (along with hopefully trenchbroom displaying models), so now just to test some things...
fast ridge
I am going to replace every single sound in Dusk with me poorly imitating the sound
fluid nimbus
I still don't know what's the name of the sound file for hitting things with melee
cause I have the half life crowbar sound
and I'd like to make the best possible use of it
gritty forge
You can go the hardway and listen to all of them
long anchor
yesss
hollow laurel
huh, there's a pic of dave's cat
gritty forge
science
hollow laurel
aw yeah
long anchor
@ancient depot for some reason texture "dirty_ceramic_ti" is missing when i load the map
^
gritty forge
you should look for very_important_texture.jpg
toxic forge
someone try Sepulcher form AD
gritty forge
Isn't that the map that performed like garbage before it was optimized?
Or maybe it was the swamp one
hollow laurel
hmm.... might just keep with the quake textures for some stuff, due to theme
toxic forge
biggest Quake map sofar
ancient depot
@long anchor Are there any other truncated textures you're using?
Or is that the only one?
gritty forge
oh yes, the one that was taking hours to compile
toxic forge
- obligatory HD texture pack
ancient depot
(as in, the name being truncated to 16 characters)
long anchor
hmm
fluid nimbus
dusk HD and every texture is literally just pictures of real life surfaces
still raptor
Also yes we'll have an fgd eventually, everything is just very WIP right now
fluid nimbus
hollow laurel
nooo
toxic forge
yes
long anchor
god noo
fluid nimbus
this is HD big john
hollow laurel
and yeah, exptected that 500_Pts
fluid nimbus
exptected
long anchor
dead_pine_needle
toxic forge
HD texture packs are the biggest shit ever made, DUSK needs them to be complete
long anchor
@ancient depot
ancient depot
I assume it's dead_pine_needl in the editor
long anchor
maybe
gritty forge
In the future, will there be tools to edit Dusk code?
Using dnspy is only fine for small tasks
long anchor
nope it's needle
fluid nimbus
custom script is planned iirc
gritty forge
@gritty forge yes
ancient depot
oh right nevermind, massive brain fart there
gritty forge
Cool
ancient depot
ok hold on, gonna try something
gritty forge
Quake movement for Dusk here i come
long anchor
same with decay_bricks2_n
gritty forge
not every day Zombie is active in chat 
Since ZScript is pretty much C# it will probably take me little time
toxic forge
we need custom scripting so we can format peoples drives with C# 
ancient depot
Custom scripting isn't gonna be C#
toxic forge
ancient depot
Way too complex to sandbox that
ancient depot
Nein
hollow laurel
hmm
gritty forge
Good
hollow laurel
html
ancient depot
Currently it's C
ancient depot
But in a custom VM
hollow laurel
not that i know c, but at least the syntax is common enough
(i work with one of the most dreaded languages.... guess which)
ancient depot
Java? JavaScript? Python?
gritty forge
still better than Lua
toxic forge
Python
hollow laurel
also, bit surprised no one said php
fluid nimbus
c# is all I know oof
hollow laurel
well, at least it has some common ground with c
ancient depot
C# is very far removed from C
gritty forge
you'll be fine
hollow laurel
since so many languages inherit some syntax from c
c is way stricter iirc, so no fuckups :p
hollow laurel
just that it'll shit itself at runtime?
ancient depot
Yeah
fluid nimbus
how close is c to c# in syntax
hollow laurel
instead of the compiler going "no! bad programmer >:| "
toxic forge
AngelScript 
ancient depot
There are similar syntactic elements in C and C# but you wouldn't be doing yourself a favor if you tried to compare them while learning
fluid nimbus
ah
hollow laurel
1 == "1" evaluates to true
uploading new dusk wad @long anchor
hollow laurel
holds flashlight under face
half dust
Is it supposed to take so long to compile? I feel like it's not.
ancient depot
it'll appear here when it's done, for now I gotta go for a little bit
hollow laurel
yeah, my compiles go wroom so far, though my map is pretty small so far
gritty forge
You can try reading some C, see how you feel about it.
Go through the Quake engines source code
hollow laurel
since built around quakeguys movement speed
ancient depot
gritty forge
As a mostly C# person i fell very comfortable reading C after an initial impact
crude cedar
lmao they nylar assets are called "nargle"
hollow laurel
y'know, having this level of support is awesome, but don't wear yourself out man ._.
nyarlathotep you mean? :p
crude cedar
ye
gritty forge
C be like: pointers bro
fiery badge
Sup bois
hollow laurel
yo
crude cedar
I copied all of my files into a safe folder so I don't taint my game forever
fiery badge
And gorls
gritty forge
Pointers gud
long anchor
@ancient depot thanks for new wad. Also, how to make door opening sound and message? For sound i just typed door_metal in sounds option but it didn't work
fiery badge
Any new maps that have been made
ancient depot
we don't support those fields on func_door just yet
hollow laurel
well, working on converting :p
long anchor
lol okay
hollow laurel
some stuff i never released
ancient depot
func_door was implemented like, the night before release lmao
hollow laurel
apart from sending to a few mates to let them have a look
fiery badge
SDK still needs some work
ancient depot
indeed, lots
fiery badge
But it's pretty fun so far
hollow laurel
think that's the point of it being in super-alpha :p
fiery badge
I say the most important thing that needs to be implemented is saving
gritty forge
we need funko_pop for cibi Dusk Dude
crude cedar
who's save file is this where they haven't done anything in e1
still raptor
saving is like the least important right now
theres a lot of really core functions that need to be taken care of first
but all will come in due time
plain rain
Will we get access to the Dusk levels when it goes open source or on the full launch of the SDK?
half dust
Can someone tell me what kind of map compile times they're getting.
fiery badge
Guess I'm a dumbass lol
half dust
Mines like 25 minutes.
still raptor
no no
i mean for our workflow
to a user, saving is very important
but we need to work on a lot of huge missing features, like supporting external textures, etc
custom models
fluid nimbus
external textures support would be lit
didn't someone make a dusk profile earlier for trenchbroom
that'd be nice to have
hollow laurel
mine is super-basic
crude cedar
sdk has peaked
fluid nimbus
I just don't want to look at a texture wad ever
hollow laurel
as in a copy-paste of the generic one
fading wedge
Is there any list as to what quake mon_entity equates to what dusk enemy?
still raptor
yeah @hollow laurel has the right idea if you absolutely need it right now
but we will release an official one after doing the proper work for it
hollow laurel
just follow the docs and chuck the one you make into the [userdir]/appdata/roaming/trenchbroom
still raptor
you CAN get it working, but theres a lot of work to get it perfect
hollow laurel
oh yeah
still raptor
including having properly formatted models, the works
hollow laurel
had an idea earlier to edit the quake fgd, opened that and went nooooope
fading wedge
already saw that ogres get converted to scarecrows and fiends into wendigos, which makes sense
hollow laurel
imma map
half dust
@ancient depot Should it take like half an hour to compile a map? It only took a few seconds before I started adding Dusk entities.
still raptor
no it probably shouldnt
hollow laurel
though, the fiends become chainsaw dudes, which doesn't quite work with the balance of my map, but that's an issue for future tosoth to deal with
still raptor
what step of compiling are you on
half dust
WVis?
long anchor
so, i made this piece of crap to test stuff.
long anchor
gotcha
half dust
Oh
hollow laurel
and i need various door/button stuff working anyhow to make the map work as i want (since otherwise the exit is about 3-5 seconds from start :p )
so, might as well, polish what i have geometry wise to work better with dusk's pacing
(also try to make some sort of massive 3d skybox, just because)
hollow laurel
well, i do like.... looming things far off
still raptor
so you dont have to do that
hollow laurel
that you can see are sortof 3d
insinuating that i can draw
:p
think the word i used when describing the super-early map 2 i made to a friend was "monolithic"
as in, the sortof.... too big to be real, but it's there sorta deal
fading wedge
i mostly wanted to mess around with a lot of custom visual stuff, but looks like we're limited to stock dusk assets for now.
vale vessel
anyone know what game I should use as a base in trenchbroom?
still raptor
well you can do texture replacements
and any custom texture wad
so you arent really limited texture wise
but if youre talking about shaders and custom models, then yes, those will be part of future updates
hollow laurel
aww, can't paste image
gritty forge
console when
still raptor
id assume patch 1 jakob
hollow laurel
but, for my test.... the outer skybox walls are.... 18944 units wide
still raptor
dont quote me on that
cloud shell
where do I get SDK
still raptor
but it was mostly a matter of time
cloud shell
???
gritty forge
pinned
cloud shell
thank
half dust
Teleporters not working? 
hollow laurel
hmm.... if it's not too much, some sort of insta-kill entity if people fall of a map? ._.
hollow laurel
🤔
hehe
problem would be end of level kill count
unless you make a thing to squish them.....
since, well, last part of map is past a point of no return
(unless you really muck about)
also...... how picky is the engine about leaks?
i mean, sealing them, but just curious
fluid nimbus
put a big john in the leak
echo loom
ok so I'm a noob with trenchbroom and I'm trying to figure out how to use the dusk wad
hollow laurel
- haha
ancient depot
@long anchor So I assume that wad worked?
hollow laurel
- you put the dusk wad (and the quake palette.lmp file, google it) in the root of the mod folder
say, i have my maps under /mnt/local/absolution/maps/, so the wads and lmp goes into /absolution
ancient depot
Awesome, thanks
Basically I was truncating names to 16 characters instead of 15, so there was no room for a null terminator in long names
half vessel
jusk is now on par with like
those hl2 maps that just spam the hl1 gman face on everything
fluid nimbus
so, HL2
hollow laurel
well, the game doesn't shit itself with a massive box around it https://imgur.com/a/6VwGEui
though, it did increase light compilation time to about 37s :p
long anchor
is that a skybox?
hollow laurel
yeah, they've said that there's issues with lighting
i made a massive box around the level
so i can have fun with 3d stuff there
long anchor
oh ok
hollow laurel
the floor/ceiling of it is.... about 19k x 19k units
hollow laurel
doesn't work if i want far-away stuff
drowsy pier
Well my cellshaded project got super fucked up cause im an idiot, so now im working on HDusk
hollow laurel
as in, decorations
drowsy pier
HD high resolution textures
hollow laurel
already have at least one thing planned, but i also want some towering structures far away and such, because i just find that cool
fluid nimbus
dopefish is too powerful
half vessel
nor can the cult symbols
ancient depot
Yeah the texture replacement code is super hacky right now, it needs a bit of cleanup
Luckily does the job 99% of the time though
half vessel
well jusk is basically complete
hollow laurel
still, pretty impressive how easy it was (for me, mind) to get my quake maps run in this
half vessel
just need to do the sounds and wait for my friend to wake up to make more of these horrors
hollow laurel
tired me spent about an hour this morning trying to figure it out
half vessel
hollow laurel
(tired me is very bad to figure stuff out)
long anchor
jusk when
crude cedar
holy shit
long anchor
indeed
half vessel
jusk soon
drowsy pier
Attempt at high res
hollow laurel
nifty
fluid nimbus
it's 32x32 but it'll be stretched to be 16px per unit
hollow laurel
well, long as it's nearest neighbour it's fine :3
fluid nimbus
maybe more
hollow laurel
(one thing that annoyed me with so many quake ports, bilinear filtering....)
game was made for not that
:|
and dusk is great that, yeah, it's how it is
fluid nimbus
I'd turn off texture filtering in everything ever if I could
fluid nimbus
if the pixels are big enough for me to see I want em square not blurry
fluid nimbus
even if it's high res realistic shit I'd be fine with no filter
hollow laurel
by then you usually have normal maps, specular and so on, so you pretty much need it to look uniform
half vessel
god who even likes filtering
i don't think i've ever met a single person who actually enjoys it
ancient depot
There might be a bug in the secret trigger class
long anchor
what do you mean
ancient depot
It hasn't been tested so it's possible
long anchor
here i am, testing stuff 🙂
long anchor
ty for doing what you're doing
crude cedar
I directly replaced the rat's sound files but they don't seem to be working
hollow laurel
hmmm
crude cedar
same name of the files, same format
elfin warren
hollow laurel
anyone know some not-arse way to make a sphere in trenchbroom?
crude cedar
this is all for a shitty meme
hollow laurel
might just be missing something
odd bane
oh boy time to make duskert bus
crude cedar
👀
odd bane
your pfp is blessed
true vale
hdusk here we go
odd bane
uh oh
long anchor
after doing this modding stuff i kinda want to play some sweet sweet duskworld
fluid nimbus
still raptor
some of the enemy sounds wont be moddable yet due to some structural issues
that will get shorted sortly probably
ancient depot
shorted sortly lmao
half vessel
i got the death sounds working for the leathernecks
but i haven't tested it with anything else
crude cedar
rats have no death sound
half vessel
yeah
ancient depot
alert and attack sounds are what don't work, yeah
long anchor
y e s
gritty forge
And make them deliberately step into hazards
half vessel
it was going to be jerma rats
gritty forge
for accuracy
half vessel
wasn't it
fluid nimbus
peach castle roof texture
from far away it should be fine https://i.imgur.com/k12rX3Z.png
gritty forge
Super Dusk Brothers
odd bane
duskert bus is going to be epic
fluid nimbus
it's gonna be a retro game inspired mod in general, not just mario
gritty forge
Desert Dusk sounds a bit better imo
odd bane
^^ no
fluid nimbus
desert hup
fluid nimbus
8 hour of continuous bunny hoping
hollow laurel
yay, made a sphere
fluid nimbus
if you touch outside the road you die
odd bane
p u r e w a l k
gritty forge
Jump! Epic synth riff plays
hollow laurel
just had to basically reverse-engineer a year old tweet
(also, just a thought, maybe allow people doing stuff to just paste images here, since it'd be nice to be able to post snips of stuff)
echo loom
https://i.imgur.com/fEpXvyN.png now I can finally make a bad test map for my terrible meme mod
fluid nimbus
can't you paste images here
hollow laurel
no
echo loom
imgur
hollow laurel
that's annoying
fluid nimbus
also sharex let you take a screenshot and automatically upload it
hollow laurel
compared to making a snip in win10
fluid nimbus
that's what I'm using
echo loom
that's the only image i'm using
hollow laurel
win+shift+s, mark, paste
half vessel
i just use printscreen and paint
gritty forge
I should learn some TrenchBroom, it is pretty epic
hollow laurel
it's quite nice
fluid nimbus
it's great
hollow laurel
i started making this in worldcraft
still raptor
you can post images directly once youve erned the rat rank
hollow laurel
and... i earn that how? ._.
still raptor
which just requires a day or so of active posting
still raptor
youll get it soon
fluid nimbus
prolly will be even better when I figure out how tf to import textures in quake 3 map editing
gritty forge
Some dude is working on a Quake to doom map converter, i can't wait for it
still raptor
when your name changes color
hollow laurel
yeah
hollow laurel
just quite used to just sharing stuff on some other discords :p
but, understandable you limit it on a server this large
fluid nimbus
doom to huh, zork
gritty forge
Wolf3D
fluid nimbus
.bsp to text description
hollow laurel
well, that's more or less a .map :p
gritty forge
the virgin TB vs the chad HEX EDITOR
hollow laurel
just need to.... decorate it a bit, to make it menacing
fluid nimbus
angry sphere
gritty forge
Make it roll
hollow laurel
.-.
fluid nimbus
suggestion : servitor from destiny
hollow laurel
i'll wait for the fgd
gritty forge
And cue Indiana Jones music
hollow laurel
well, it's gonna have spikes and stuff
fluid nimbus
how do you get the 2D view windows open like that
hollow laurel
and, hopefully, be gameplay relevant (depending on how the tools do, might end up being more of a plot device)
fluid nimbus
I only have the 3d view
gritty forge
Tosoth you got the role
hollow laurel
yay
gritty forge
You can post images
fluid nimbus
he joined the cult
hollow laurel
test
still raptor
oh lol
hollow laurel
wooooo
hollow laurel
speak of the devil :p
odd bane
t h e s p h e r e
gritty forge
It just works
still raptor
told ya
hollow laurel
yeah, just was afraid it'd take way longer since I mostly lurk
odd bane
^
still raptor
nah you just gotta chat for like one day
hollow laurel
but, well, this actually gave me motivation to continue working on my maps
still raptor
yeah you have a really strong start, looking good
hopefully our tools will improve fast enough to keep up with you
hollow laurel
it's been very much an on-and-off project
as in, first map i did was a basic difficulty select map (since i wanted people just to punch the map name into console and play)
dates to.... 2013-09-19
fluid nimbus
I'm not really gonna start making an actual map in trenchbroom till quake 3 or anything that doesn't use texture wads is properly supported personally
cedar elm
I'm less excited about playing Half-Life or Quake in Dusk than actually playing a level pack designed for Dusk... Any chance people might be working on something like that?
fluid nimbus
also I still have to figure out how to import textures at all in Q3 trenchbroom
still raptor
that will be very soon martin
hollow laurel
which was map0, or, well, absolution_0.bsp (or, well, vis file)
fluid nimbus
ay