Like a grey/white grid?
#general-modding
unique trellis
crystal kraken
yes
it's a talk about procedural anim, but it shows the stride thing I'm talking about on the timestamp
(I really recommend watching the whole talk at least once tho, it's amazing)
unique trellis
I never thought about stuff in this way. I usually do stuff like movements by eye and what looks "right" to me
crystal kraken
hope it helps
wraith beacon
The animation looks like a really slow run cycle rather than a walk.
Mainly because two feet are never on the ground at the same time in the cycle.
unique trellis
That's true. I do have walk/run in the list of anims. So I could make a more walking-like anim and try and adjust this one for running.
crystal kraken
that gdc talk goes into details on that sorta stuff too
even tho it's mostly focused on procedural animation, he's got a lot of really useful insights
crystal kraken
it's prob. the best example of smoothing functions out there lmao
as a visualization on why use white/grey:
https://i.imgur.com/x7csGDs.gif
https://i.imgur.com/xwlJerl.gif
both are the same speed
unique trellis
Much easier to see the how many units a thing moves.
robust bolt
i thought this was some weird artpiece and the cursor was part of it sry
crystal kraken
it's just some old shit I've got saved on imgur from back when I was trying to help a friend with the oldschool style of drawing pseudo 3d roads, I didn't really care much about the cursor being on it etc
don't have the chatlog of the explanation tho :/
unique trellis
Projections be like: Pitagora
I don't think I will ever run out of situations in which using trigonometry is the solution
unique trellis
triangle time
crystal kraken
more like TRIG TIME
unique trellis
triangle supreme
cyan kestrel
surreal rapids
if anyone's bored and wants a free game to play, here's mine: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1117420/Bryces_Movement_Engine/
limpid zodiac
wow this does have abandonware vibe
surreal rapids
thankyou, i really hoped it would have that feel ๐
tranquil oracle
Little experiment, loading a Quake model with animations using blend shapes
So Unity is handling the interpolation itself
Takeaway: Unity does have native support for vertex animation
And since it's just a blend shape, animating it is simple
void Update()
{
var weight = rend.GetBlendShapeWeight(0);
weight = Mathf.Repeat(weight + Time.deltaTime * .05f, 1f);
rend.SetBlendShapeWeight(0, weight);
}```
deep pulsar
nice
tranquil oracle
In previous experiments a while back I had been manually generating interpolated vertices and applying them to the mesh directly
deep pulsar
good work senpai
tranquil oracle
deep pulsar
fgfgfh
tranquil oracle
One thing I may have to do manually is applying the bounds
But that's super simple so it's not a big deal whatsoever
Interesting that Unity doesn't appear to account for blend shape deltas when generating bounds
hazy sorrel
tranquil oracle
So I'll just have to pre-generate a bounds for each frame
Yeah, that kind of stuff is super interesting to mess with
A while back I toyed with automatically generating a skeleton
Couldn't get it quite right at the time, but that was years ago
iirc I was inspired to do it after reading some post on the warsow forums in my early teens
tranquil oracle
Improved it a bit
unique trellis
He be goin
candid dawn
limpid zodiac
yo is this fear but you fly at 200mph
misty sparrow
Looks neat
near mortar
It looks like a poor man's Trepang2 with Dusk flips
candid dawn
Yeah fear is a huge inspiration. And yeah Dusk inspired the flipping!!
near mortar
I just have two questions
wraith beacon
Feels more like a Fear successor than Trepang 2 IMO.
near mortar
why does the character one hand all the guns and why is there giant lights strapped to the side of every gun
wraith beacon
Destruction is a bit goofy in places though.
limpid zodiac
you can bicycle kick through the windows, that's already better than fear
candid dawn
Character has no left arm. Light is ammo indicators
Destruction needs work yeah but I'm happy with it so far
near mortar
I think the lights being ammo indicators could be improved upon so that it's not as distracting
right now they seem pretty obnoxiously bright in my opinion
and huge
candid dawn
The bloom needs to be decreased in them for sure
limpid zodiac
so what's the general theme of the game? supersoldier going on a killing spree or sth like that?
candid dawn
They are bright so you can identify if a gun is loaded from far away
But they should dim when equipped yeah
near mortar
I would suggest making them thinner and maybe segmenting them or something
bright when on the ground is fine, visibility is necessary
candid dawn
Theme is slave escaping servitude and fighting up the floors of a skyscraper
Yeah good suggestion, thanks
wraith beacon
The ammo indicator changing between red blue and yellow doesn't seem like the best choice for accessibility.
Would probably be better if it was more of a progress bar that changed between red and black.
candid dawn
Oooh interesting, I avoided red green for accessibility
I'm dumb, is there a color blindness that effects red blue yellow?
wraith beacon
Eh probably not but it's better to not really take any changes with this stuff IMO, and it'd be a bit clearer if it was more of a bar.
candid dawn
Yeah I hear you, I'll give it some thought. I want players to be able to identify gun status from far away
There is no reloading, so you are always sourcing weapons from environment
wraith beacon
Eh that makes sense I guess.
candid dawn
So I want it to be super clear which guns are high priority to get
But I could have different indicator when held, we shall see
Thanks for the feedback all, glad I posted here ๐
limpid zodiac
can you throw weapons to stun enemies like in superhot?
i like the no reload thing
near mortar
Reminds me of Jurassic Park Trespasser in that regard
I mean that in a good way
It's an very unique thing, handicapping your protagonist for more interesting gameplay design capabilities
candid dawn
I've never played trespasser but I respect it's design philosophy for sure
Yeah exactly
Survival games embrace handicaps but it's more of a punishment and not a twist on gameplay
Or milsims too, I'll never forget crawling like 20 mins to finish a mission in operation flashpoint cause my legs were shot out
dim cedar
Impact looks kinda rough but ngl there was some badass shit in there
The part that particularly peaked my interest was when you wallrun and do a backflip
And shoot dudes
candid dawn
Haha thanks
Yeah it's still in early stages for sure, it shall be polished over time
dim cedar
Definetly add some more movement to the hands or make them look less stiff if you can
candid dawn
Thanks for the feedback, can and will ๐
I watched someone play modern warfare yesterday and I just stared at the first person anims
The standard for FPS anims is very high nowadays. They look so good
unique trellis
Game dev time. Tried to fix the anims and movement speed to sync better. Also fine tuned turning, added idle anim and a animation system for variable loop animation loop points, and added a look-up feature.
coarse token
why so sad looking
unique trellis
Explained it before. Game where you're scared of enemies and can't directly attack them. Haven't made any yet tho
unique trellis
So you have to indirectly hurt them in a puzzle-like fashion.
Yeah the anims are a bit slow, been trying to get that sweet spot, but haven't found the best timing yet
hazy sorrel
seeing this character for the third time feels creepy
unique trellis
2 spoop
My problem is posting updates without much content. Will focus less on that.
unique trellis
Creepy
hazy sorrel
I mean it
brittle yew
Another little mod for System Shock 2. It sounds the alarm when you destroy cameras, unless you've hacked the security grid or have cast the Remote Electron Tampering psi power.
https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=11204
coarse token
@modern raptor is she a robot or is it just the artstyle
patent spade
you get no context there is no mod die
lean gyro
tired warren
fear
merry swift
the program would probably crash before you could save it
crystal kraken
pretty neat using the blendshapes for interpolated vertex anim
unique trellis
You're pretty neat
crystal kraken
love you too bby
unique trellis
๐
merry swift
uh.
unique trellis
what's wrong Kibble you want a kiss too
merry swift
maybe ;)
unique trellis
crystal kraken
everything about that just screams chasm the rift
weak root
started a new AoH map this week
https://twitter.com/Bridgeburner4/status/1256670013257166848
analog pollen
analog pollen
yeah i made it a bit more yellow than it used to be
still kept the same monochrome color scheme though cause that works best with the limbo reveal
misty sparrow
oh that reminds me van was supposed to release one of her maps today
wonder if its out
oh it isnt out yet
sad!
deep pulsar
van?
misty sparrow
shes doing the UNSURE stuff
also as far as im aware she was doing a japanese themed megawad
unique trellis
Niponise
misty sparrow
outer eagle
Trenchbroom 2020.1-RC2 is here and now officially supports Dark Theme! https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom/releases/tag/v2020.1-RC2
mighty charm
Hey there modders, I need help with custom weapon in doom 2, I have a decorate weapon that shoot plasma balls ('A_FirePlasma') and I want to create my own plasma-like projectiles with custom sprites, any suggestion how to do it so I could just replace the line from 'A_FirePlasma' to 'AFireCustom' (for example) ?
unique trellis
You can just place sprites with the same name of the original in your sprites folder
For ex. if the sprites are named BLA if you add sprite namex BLA in your sprites folder the engine will replace them automatically
mighty charm
You can just place sprites with the same name of the original in your sprites folder
@unique trellis I thought about that, but will the custom sprites work when I publish my wad?
unique trellis
The only reason why they wouldn't work is because somebody loads the doom2.wad after your mod, which is stupid and nobody does
Except some dumb kid
mighty charm
Ok I'll try that, thank you โฅ
candid dawn
keen bear
neat
candid dawn
thanks ๐
analog pollen
misty sparrow
ULTRASHIT
misty sparrow
Gonna make fun of how bad ur sdk is
tranquil oracle
Do it, you'd be right
analog pollen
Sucks DicKs
tranquil oracle
^
hazy sorrel
Ultrakrap
deep pulsar
ultraultra
robust ridge
So, it took me longer than expected to upload these two files (blame you cellphone datacap), but finally the optional high res doosk weapon sprites were updated.
In addition to the optional 360p sprites, now the 720p ones are available too, for high end computers!
Note that the 360p file was updated too, but mostly it was a name change to prevent issues with upcoming versions of doosk and confusion on tspg mirror webpage.
That being said, enjoy!
And don't worry, a new update for doosk will come in june, hopefully, if internet comes back (i've been offline since february) :P
360p files: https://www.moddb.com/mods/doosk-aka-dusk-weapons-rip/downloads/doosk-optional-360p-sprites
720p files: https://www.moddb.com/mods/doosk-aka-dusk-weapons-rip/downloads/doosk-optional-720p-sprites
And for those who has issues running the mod with batch files and stuff, there will be an alternate download with files only on next update, so you can drag and drop the files directly into the sourceport executable :P
hazy sorrel
are hi res png sprites still a big stutter issue in gzdoom
deep pulsar
just enable gl texture precache
hazy sorrel
tell that to ppl with lesser hardware
tranquil oracle
Just released this, hopefully it's useful to some
We had to use this to re-attach some enemy prefabs to their models, so that replacing the model assets didn't break bones and animations.
robust ridge
Wait, i've been offline since february.
Monster models for sdk are out now? Or that's something else?
polar kernel
So from what i've gathered you need trenchbroom to make maps for dusk right?
tranquil oracle
@robust ridge It's unrelated to the SDK
@polar kernel You can use any Quake or Half-Life level editor, but we recommend TrenchBroom
Refer to the pins in #dusk-modding
robust ridge
Ok, thanks for reply
polar kernel
gotcha
sick granite
unique trellis
We have you surrounded, at least from this side.
indigo olive
If anyone has any feedback on the wallrunning in my project that'd be awesome :3 I've implemented a kinda "sucktion" to the wall that I like but not sure what others think... I'm planning some fear style bullet time too so hopefully running along a wall while cracking heads is gonna be a thing! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-H46YVN5zxE6iYf1Jt9ZF99BtgteF88_/view?usp=sharing
gloomy zephyr
A sucktion to the wall, that sounds.... interesting
hazy sorrel
that isnt feel like suction
but its way more fluid than ghostrunner wallrunning
even if you loose altitude
mid run
indigo olive
Yeah I didnt want to mess with the physics too badly to confuse people like in Mirrors edge
so I just scale down gravity
and pull them into the wall
the 2 wallkicks I think adds an extra layer too but I think it will make mapping kinda a pain
I should try out Ghostrunner, I saw the demo got released but my steam didnt show it yet
@hazy sorrel do people not like ghostrunner's wallrunning?
hazy sorrel
i dunno
i know that I dont like ghostrunner movement
maybe because your build isnt locked on 85 fov
indigo olive
Ew... yeah I'll be adding a slider but I've also switched the engine to use vertical fov so ultrawides etc dont get punished
73degrees vertical fov so pretty high
patent spade
testing testing 123
hazy sorrel
edgy
patent spade
yup
indigo olive
@hazy sorrel ghostrunner dos have an FOV slider, maybe that will help? ๐
hazy sorrel
theyve updated it
on first day there was no fov slider
still movement and combat is much left to desire
indigo olive
Yeah... I think the wallrunning controls are a bit wierd and idk how I feel about the dodge mechanic, but it might just be the default bindings and it being a new kinda system
it's very unique... I'm impressed with the level design though
runs well too
I was slightly worried with the trailer that it was kinda what I was going for but it's really not.
@candid dawn 's project is annoyingly close but different enough I dont think we'd be treading on each other
He's going for a bit more high fidelity and slower paced but the movement is similar
wraith beacon
Biggest problem with ghost runner's dash is it always dashes forward.
At least in mid air, where you'll do most of the dashing.
indigo olive
Ayyy we're getting somewhere โค๏ธ Added bullet time and some better weapon sway!
https://twitter.com/MissEmbyr/status/1259005778897375232
keen bear
looking good
outer eagle
Looks very smooth nice!
analog pollen
candid dawn
@indigo olive there's room for both of us ๐
indigo olive
Your project looks super cool!
Oh hey @analog pollen awesome seeing you actually got picked up by New Blood โค๏ธ
analog pollen
yup it's nice
indigo olive
Annnnd now crytek is wooing me with decent designer tools... why inreal doesnt give proper love to BSP I dont know ๐ฆ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz6_vqWe7Hg
<@&249012011751440397> how did you guys go about building your levels? I have mesh tool but the lightmapping never seems to work out well and it's not as slick as other tools, BSPs I've been told arent great due to missing faces and rendering glitches with high face counts... I've noticed it doesnt play well with volumetric fog at least in the forward renderer. and it's UV tools suck. Did you just stick to using a modelling package and if so how did you keep pixel size consistant... I want a general rule of 32px / m
and not gonna lie SVOGI is niiiiiiice
wraith beacon
AE was modular mesh based.
indigo olive
yeah I think I remmeber being told before, my concern with that is how to uv map nicely in a retro style and maintain texel density :/ Not being in the editor kinda sucks too.
Another question is how are you guys doing texture filtering, I've found that for good results I need to scale my 32x32 texture to 512x512 with nearest fileting in GIMP so that unreal engine filters it nicely, just using 32x32 with no filtering is shimmer city.
that being said TAA in AMID EVIL will help flatten some of that shimmer that I get with MSAA
But I want to avoid TAA if possible due to ghosting
Sorry for all the questions but better to ask than to reinvent the wheel when people more experienced in this area have worked it all out
wraith beacon
Doesn't MSAA in UE4 only work with the forward renderer?
wraith beacon
Yeah I don't recommend that, like at all. You lose access to like, way too much with a gain of far too little in the case of UE4.
indigo olive
MSAA can kinda work in deferred but the results are kinda shit, unreal just locks it off
I know what I'm getting with it, I may switch back later on but I understand what I am doing
MSAA and the performance increase is worth the tradeoff when it comes to screen space effects
also I really thing clustered forward rendering is the future. The higher resolutions and more complex shaders are crippleing on deferred due to bandwith and other concerns.
I see more devs going down the ID software route on DOOM and going with a clustered forward renderer but still using TAA. Will be really common next gen, mark my words ๐
It does suck that UE4 isnt at feature parity though, godot is doing some really cool stuff with SSR in forward rendering
wraith beacon
Isn't clustered forward even more demanding on memory though?
Like I agree it's the superior rendering method in most aspects but it's still got a fairly large memory commitment from what I've heard.
indigo olive
Than deferred? Nope o.O
I think it's still less than deferred and deferred doesnt scale nicely to 4k and beyond
Since I'm going for a retro look with modern rendering, PBR, volumetrics etc I can get away with losing a lot of the screen space techniques that I wasnt planing on using, if I need a reflection then environment probes are probably enough for me, AO cna be baked and SSAO sucks anyway. If I want realtime reflections or GI then RTX works still
not to mention I can have planar reflections as a quality option if I want a scene like that
wraith beacon
Yeah but depth buffer.
Having access to the various Gbuffers effectively for free is just so nice.
indigo olive
The problem is that it isnt free
but it is nice I agree
you should still be able to sample against depth info though, I havent tested it yet but I think it still has a depth buffer for the clustered lighting
it does do a prepass
wraith beacon
I mean it's free in the sense that it's a required part of the pipeline.
And most engines that have deferred pipelines let you access the Gbuffers with no extra cost because they're required to be there for the system to work.
indigo olive
yeah it's a plus that it's there but the fact that it is all there is one of the reasons it's so slow at higher resolutions ๐ฆ
I mean the dream is for on next gen consoles to be able to hit 4k60 native or 1440p120hz
but who knows
brisk timber
@indigo olive all the meshes are modular in AE
there's no BSP
this is the sorta stuff we use
simmo made the meshes in 3ds max
we go by 1uu = 1 px for the textures/mats
indigo olive
Really? o.O I assumed it was lower res ๐ฎ
brisk timber
indigo olive
Do you know how he kept that scale while uv mapping?
brisk timber
I'm not sure on that - @strange aspen bing bong
he'll answer when he's around
that's an example texture btw
brisk timber
most in ae are 128x128
indigo olive
Oh what compression do you use cause default destroys the pixel art
And yeah the result with 32x32 with nearest
Result with 512x512 without upscale filter in gimp
Really wish there was a better way to do this :/
It makes sense but I'm gonna have to write a script for this
keen bear
looks like its just because you have mipmaps enabled
indigo olive
512x512 allows for filtering without loss of crispyness
I know, I've tested without mipmaps too
it looks non antialiased
the mipmapping issue is just an extra layer of suckyness
keen bear
yeah, youll have to find a middle ground for the look you want probably
im pretty sure AE has all mipmaps turned off, thats how it gets away with 128px
but shimmers like a motherfucker
wraith beacon
^
indigo olive
yeah, trying to avoid the shimmering which this will do, I assum TAA helps with that
keen bear
yeah TAA is a big winner in that regard
you just need to ensure a super high framerate to avoid ghosting
which.,,,,isnt ideal
indigo olive
yeah :/ I think this is the way forward, still affeects bandwidth but vram usage will still be tiny due to how compressable it is
it just allows the grapics card to sample it nicer
this is the kinda shit I've wasted most of the time on with this project so far ๐ข
keen bear
well, nailing your visual style is an important aspect
so any time taken is a good thing
indigo olive
yeah had to be done, pixel art in UE isnt somethingI had ever worked with before so was an interesting experiment
I do love how fucking CRISP the second image is... MSAA and nice filtering on the pixel art
keen bear
looks pretty good yeah
indigo olive
The results of tonight hanging out with some of you guys in VC <3
Thanks to @brisk timber for letting me know how to wrangle the friction system!
keen bear
Looks fun
good thing youre putting the time and effort in on the movement
lot of people make the mistake of skipping that
hazy sorrel
i cannot think of fps game with really jank movement
stalker feels basic but isnt bad
neat hare
deadly shadows but that's not a shooter and for some reason they decided to focus on third person even though thief is a FUCKING FIRST PERSON FRANCHISE
system shock 1 is pretty jank but a lot of that is the controls and the rest is how it handles elevation stuff
indigo olive
@keen bear no point designing maps and enemies until you know how the player will be able to move ^-^
neat hare
ss2 isn't that jank
except body of the many but body of the many is a fucking war crime
...literally, now that i think about it
indigo olive
jank
strange aspen
@indigo olive leons right, i went by 1 pixel to UU, and i kept the scale accurate by treating the UV 0 to 1 space as 128x128 pixels, so if a mesh was 256 units wide for instance, the UVs would be twice as wide as the UV 0 to 1 space
and for any texture that was bigger than 128x128 i'd scale it up in the material so each pixel was still exactly 1uu
and for stuff like enemies and non-simple or organic meshes, sometimes i'd literally just have a reference mesh behind it with a grid texture and eyeball scale the UVs and get it as close as i could to the reference mesh in orthographic view lmao
indigo olive
So you maintained the scale manually? :O
hazy sorrel
ive quickly hacked something like that and im leaving it as it is, because it dosent work
indigo olive
Wait, what is this supposed to be like? o.O Liiks cool though! Descent in the Doom engine ๐ฎ
I was originally tempted to do all this in the Quake Engine to enable modding
but the source code for the source ports are a mess and documentation for all the features is so thin
indigo olive
Oh my god I just found this! Looks awesome! https://twitter.com/T19gs/status/1259455167113523201
@hazy sorrel cmon none of these games are exactly original ideas
It's all about how well made it is and the content :3
hazy sorrel
misty sparrow
oh wow
this has come a long way
the first video i saw of it looked baaaaaaaaaaaad
still hamlet
you look baaaaaaad
slender knoll
unique trellis
May be wrong, but I think it reminds me a bit of Ultrakill in some way.
hazy sorrel
its really similar to system shock 2
analog pollen
it has the color palette and the dashing but outside of that they dont seem very similar to me
still hamlet
the shotty looks just like the quake 1.5 shotty
analog pollen
nope, most use unreal or unity
marble crypt
They'll all be using Gamebryo
analog pollen
they're all gonna be ported to the HROT engine
indigo olive
No point limiting yourself to an old engine unless there is something you want out of it like a specific community of mappers or user mods
it's the main thing that has me side eyeing FTEQW as an engine but Unreal is just too comfy as a tool and QuakeC is horrific
although FTEQCC does help with that
Do people really care what was used to make a game if it's a good game?
analog pollen
can you save in quakec tho
misty sparrow
itll never be done
tranquil oracle
misty sparrow
v.saddu
analog pollen
misty sparrow
hakita
remember
if dave starts saying things like "ultrakill sdk"
you say
"fuck no"
tranquil oracle
too bad avain man will never be done
analog pollen
i can barely make a game i would never understand an sdk
misty sparrow
good thing avain man is on a grand total of 3-4 computers
analog pollen
zombie keeps trying to explain to me how 1 + 1 works and i'm just out here like no thoughts head empty
tranquil oracle
"So like, you add the values together and you get 2"
analog pollen
1 + 1 = 11
tranquil oracle
ok javascript
indigo olive
i guess I just find it odd people shit on games for using modern engines when Wrath and Ion Fury are both built in a modified version of an already hightly updated and modified source port xD
misty sparrow
zombie b like
tranquil oracle
No you're absolutely right about that
It's difficult to say that they're "USING THE ORIGINAL TECH" because both of those games are on like
The most-far-removed-from-the-original source ports in existence
shadow mist
be a chad and make your game on the wolf3D engine
tranquil oracle
be even more based and give ECWolf the attention it deserves
misty sparrow
itll be crazy when they make darkplaces run on switch for wrath :)
analog pollen
make a game on the catacomb 3D engine
tranquil oracle
I mean hey you could https://github.com/CatacombGames/Catacomb3D
misty sparrow
what do you think zombies keyboard smells like ๐ณ
tranquil oracle
pain and suffering
analog pollen
feet
tranquil oracle
every keystroke withers away my soul
indigo olive
@analog pollen yeah the quake engine basically gives you free saving and loading
analog pollen
was a meme
indigo olive
it's a bonus part of the architecture
oooh
derp
forgot about last nights discussion xD
tranquil oracle
saving is the new SDK when meme and I don't know which one inspires pain more
indigo olive
Oh there is more that's going on? I just remember talking to Leon about save systems and stuff
Hakita was there ๐
No he wasnt derp
Hatsu was
Still learning everyone's names
wraith beacon
Heh.
indigo olive
I hear if you say his name 3 times in a mirror he appears
tranquil oracle
Hakitsu
wraith beacon
To be fair, Finland and New Zealand aren't real so I completely get the confusion.
indigo olive
entirely true
deep pulsar
lol
indigo olive
shadow mist
how large is unreal, download size wise?
wraith beacon
40 gigs ish.
shadow mist
FUCK
indigo olive
It's not that bad
It's pretty small if you dont build from source or download the editor symbols
indigo olive
nono... you're right... wtf
indigo olive
How my AI trying to be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4lULj50UM
candid dawn
analog pollen
finally, trepang 3
keen bear
i was just saying that in my head
candid dawn
Hah, yeah, FEAR inspired UE4 games
indigo olive
I love that ragdoll at the end, so theatrical
candid dawn
Thanks! Yeah sometimes they behave like that. Other times they rocket straight up and clip into the ceiling
๐ physics ๐
indigo olive
Have you tried turning on CCD?
candid dawn
I use it for some objects, like thrown weapons
Maybe I fear it would be expensive on ragdolls?
The main issue is their initial velocity is sometimes crazy, I haven't had a chance to really dig into it yet
full notch
goddamn that's looking fresh
candid dawn
Thanks!
indigo olive
Does anyone here know any good riggers/animators that are looking for some contract work in the near future? Specifically viewmodel animation atm
unique trellis
@wraith beacon maybe
candid dawn
I'll probably hire https://ironbellystudios.com/ when I get around to it
you've probably seen their stuff on the marketplace, they make a lot of first person anims
indigo olive
I'll check it out! :D
wraith beacon
Landmines.
indigo olive
Out of curiosity, do you guys prefer games where you carry your weapons into the next level or do you prefer where each level is entirely self contained? I feel like the latter allows for much more interesting level and encounter design thought the game as well as allowing modders to know what the player will have ahead of time.
shadow mist
depends on the game
unique trellis
Depends on the overall style of game and how the gameplay loop works
shadow mist
old shooters did it well with removing your weapons at the start of each episode
unique trellis
Games with a more sense or progression of each of levels is in a sorta world or episode tend to work better with keeping them, while ones where every level is more like a self-contained section work better with not keeping them
shadow mist
its like pistol starting in doom or intruder mode in dusk
indigo olive
Yeah, episodes makes sense for clearing Inv but I'm tempted to go for fewer larger levels with a pistol start and episodes are just settings
hazy sorrel
mystic orbit
Also that impact game gives me hotline miami vibes with that weapon pickup from enemies thing
candid dawn
yeah @mystic orbit hotline miami is a huge influence, the gameplay loop uses the Hotline Miami quick level reset on death too
indigo olive
If anyone wants some neato water for unity! https://twitter.com/MissEmbyr/status/1260477270524866564
indigo olive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5KtatMcUw oh lawd... I really hope this isnt another huge jump like ue3 -> ue4
unique trellis
why not
hazy sorrel
fortnite 2 engine
indigo olive
HOLY SHIT
that's a huge deal for indie devs!
@unique trellis no one wants to throw away most of their project's code and learn a new engine every 5-6 years.
tranquil oracle
It's definitely only called UE5 for marketing reasons
indigo olive
I expect a good an unt of braking changes...
I just hope they publish guidelines to stick to in the run up to migration
analog pollen
it's pretty good-ood-ood-ood-ood hl2.exe has stopped working
unique trellis
okey I agree that it's kinda silly that source will crash if you fuck around in the loading screen
unique trellis
we all know the most epic game engine is Roblox Studioโข๏ธ
robust ridge
No one gives cube engine enough love.
unique trellis
hmmm im actually interested
robust ridge
I would like to see that engine being used on a new singleplayer unreal or jazz jackrabbit, such a shame those ips being so unused.
indigo olive
I looked at the cube engine but it seems like a pain to work with D:
There are a few people working on spiritual successors thiugh
unique trellis
crystal kraken
that UE5 demo is crazy, fucking insanity level polygon density
unique trellis
Haha shoot device go BANG
indigo olive
Okay real talk but all these retro developers need to make something using the openmw engine once this fps craze is over ๐ That actually might be an idea ๐ฎ
indigo olive
That's lke dream project material if I just had a giant wad of cash, a computer and all the time in the world to just make an entire world from scratch
candid dawn
@indigo olive lol we think alike, my first gamedev project was in the openmw engine https://forum.openmw.org/viewtopic.php?t=5261
It was wayyyy to big in scope as first projects often are, so it has been shelved
tranquil oracle
thanks for the reminder to check on the status of openmw lmao
candid dawn
The multiplayer branch is very playable
indigo olive
yep it's really stable and well put together I need to try tes3mp but when those get merged it's gonna be the ultimate retro rpg engine
I just wish I had the time
what was the main time sink for you @candid dawn
candid dawn
Lol everything
unique trellis
untold niche
Running away from the fart police like
indigo olive
@candid dawn listenting to some jordan peterson lofi hip hop? xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AHRfyO407U
Holy shit you're the Impact guy... yeah holy shit we do think the same... what the fuck
how did you find working in openmw? is it archaic and crusty or makes a reasonable amount of sense compared to older engines like darkplaces
candid dawn
I was a newbie at C++ at the time but was able to figure it out - it was pretty fun to work with honetly. At the time the world editor wasn't really functional so I had to use the old Morrowind editor - that may have changed.
I do think OpenMW has a lot of potential to be the go-to engine for indie devs who want to realize an open world
I dunno about Unity, but UE4 requires a lot of work to get a basic open world system up and running. Building object permeance, inventory, NPC logic, etc. etc.
If OpenMW could streamline that and bring open world dev to the masses some exciting stuff could happen
but it is not there yet!
indigo olive
Yeah my main issue is serialising streaming levels dynamically and having systems respond when you load a chunk back up. plus it seems morrowind is just one big database wich is really cool although doable in modern engines
it's an interesting proposition for RPGs and like the quake engine the modding support and community is there
my main concern is performance with mre densely populated and systems driven games but I feel like I could really optimise things when it comes to the scripting language
have a "nextthink" equivelent variable
just something about having, steaming, savegames, time of day, and that kinda thing with limitations makes it appealing
candid dawn
^^^^
yeah exactly
Beth games are big spreadsheets behind the scenes, its a cool and powerful setup which opens things up for modders
but its a sizable undertaking for a small dev team to get running and debugged
I tried it in UE4, and while possible its something I'm going to hold off on until I can focus on it 40+ hours a week
indigo olive
for sure! I think if I was going RPG route i'd have a hard time deciding
obv there is a fair amount to C++ work to be done for that kinda thing
but like
it's just so set up for that kinda thing
and if you think about what UE4 gives you towards that kinda game with our art budget
it's really only things like volumetrics, console porting, things like that
the rest could be done with a shader
I wonder how hard clustered ligthing would be to implement in openmw ๐
candid dawn
haha
I'm not even sure openmw has instanced meshes yet
so good luck w/ foliage and forests :/
indigo olive
I was literally thinking about that xD
that cant be that hard to add though
wasnt that one of the things OSG was supposed to help with?
candid dawn
yeah theres been convos on the openmw forums about it
the support is there I think, its about implementing it
but my openmw knowledge is outdated now, I havent been following super closely
but in the end anything is possible as its open source, the question is how much time you want to sink when you also need to build the world + quests + game logic +++++++++
indigo olive
maybe? I flipped a config switch when starting my playthrough and it didnt have them but I assume I did it wrong
or the settings template I was using was for a newer version than the last release
since it's been a while
apparently
why is culling taking so long
and drawing
wtf
it's like 100% cpu usage for me outside and I always wondered why...
they have really shit culling it seems
indigo olive
well to be fair I have a 3 chunk radius loaded
candid dawn
but anyways, I definitely plan on tacking a beth inspired RPG one day, and I'll prob do UE4
oh yeah
indigo olive
and unlocked framerate
indigo olive
it was just pinning that core
candid dawn
been there
candid dawn
BUT THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW DISTANCE
indigo olive
like 60fps... on an i7-9570
candid dawn
yeahhhhh
indigo olive
they are doing something wrong xD
indigo olive
looking at tha tprofiler shot though
that's not the issue
they really need a rendering thread
candid dawn
ahh interesting
indigo olive
cull and draw were like 75% of the frame
someone is apparently working on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeWsFH9pdlg
Cull: Culling refers to discarding off-screen objects then passing the actually visible ones on to the render queue. OpenMW additionally uses this phase for any tasks that need doing for each visible object, e.g. updating its animations and lights
oh F
so it's not the scripting
but they are doign work?
candid dawn
10 months old, I hope something came of that ๐ฆ
indigo olive
it seems liek they do merge objects that share the same rendering state
which is kinda like batching right xD
Yeah this would be insane to try and implement in ue4
you'd have to have a queue of pending commands or something to be executed when loaded```you'd really be fighting the engine
I need to stop window shopping and get back to work xD
tranquil oracle
tfw you find an annoying bug in Unity but putting together a bug report with a sample is more effort than you're willing to put in at the moment
candid dawn
@indigo olive I feel like that wouldnt be too hard to fight around. You'd need to have some abstract representation of every actor, so even when the actor is unloaded you can alter its properties + location. Then when you enter an area w/ the actor, the actor spawns based on that abstract data.
but yeah nothing in engine supports it
youd need a C++ backend for sure
indigo olive
yeah I'm talking specifically about integration with streaming
indigo olive
it's doable but you'd need some seperate way of addressing entities
candid dawn
haha true
but I think achievable with time
like it doesnt require anything revolutionry or new
just some coding skill and time
indigo olive
it's one of those things where you weigh up the pros and cons
in the case of a retro fps thequake engine offered brush based levels and modding... not enough convenience xD
openMW would let you focus on actually making an RPG
although unreal is comfy, idk, hard choice
candid dawn
ue4 is so comfy
indigo olive
the modding tools is a massive thing for me though
indigo olive
I wish unreal kept the old model where you can bundle an editor withthe game
tranquil oracle
Making a moddable UE4 game is a shitfest
candid dawn
ive heard ๐ฆ
but I hope openmw gets to the point where its a no brainer choice for a small open world dev team
right now its a big pro and con fest
indigo olive
I have a good idea of how to do it but I havent yet decided if I can be botehred
you dont need permission... only to distribute a binary though the store
you can stick to vanilla engine or make your fork available on github
as long as it is only visible ot the epic games organisation
not sure what the legalities of using the "releases" feature on github would be for a mod kit
side note, the fac tthat this is a thing really amuses me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWPAGuPsQ4A
tranquil oracle
afaik you're not allowed to distribute anything containing code from the UE4 editor
indigo olive
really is the same engine
tranquil oracle
unless you strike a deal like what ARK did and get it on the epic store
indigo olive
nah there is an exception for github
tranquil oracle
but uh, screw forcing people to use the epic store for mods
indigo olive
as long as it is restriced access liek the ue4 repo
so all users have to accept eula
tranquil oracle
also screw making people sign up for ue4 source access to make mods
I'm super unhappy with the whole situation regarding UE4 and modding really
indigo olive
so you can do it... just makes it awkward for people cause they need an epic account
tranquil oracle
makes me sad
indigo olive
yeah it's the main thing that kills it for me
but I'll shake my fists till they fix it
tranquil oracle
I swear I remember some facepunch folks were working on a moddable fork of ue4
dunno how far that got along
and it is, yes
lol
tranquil oracle
self deprecation ban
indigo olive
christian discord server
tranquil oracle
I do hope that releasing the Dusk SDK code leads to a wave of moddable Unity games at least
When that eventually happens
indigo olive
my concern is that it's based off of trenchbroom right?
indigo olive
yeah my concern is that if the mapping is based on that it's messy cause entitydefs + oop dont really mix
tranquil oracle
The SDK merely has support for loading the BSP files you compile the MAP files into
indigo olive
it's more of an architecture thing, you could write a game that uses them fine though yeah
tranquil oracle
The map loading stuff is only one portion of the SDK anyways, the bigger parts are like
loading models, sounds, videos, etc
tranquil oracle
As for the entity def stuff, I've got a few ideas for how to make that nicer
But only time'll tell if it works out
indigo olive
I'm interested in how you are approaching that issue
but I guess you dont wanna talk about it much?
tranquil oracle
Essentially we turn entities into components
indigo olive
blasphemy
tranquil oracle
You spawn a "base" entity, and have some point entities that target it and are translated into components
As for Quake/HL/etc entities that we have support for, they're basically treated like prefabs right now
indigo olive
I mean the temptation is to just have a lua interperator and script editor in game
tranquil oracle
The earliest versions indeed used Lua for scripting
indigo olive
make the game with lua as a replacement for quakec and just have unity as a backend xD
my problem is making a game the unity way + modding
but yeah that's solved by making unity just a backend
but at that point
I'd use godot
tranquil oracle
Yeah, while Unity has enough APIs to do it unlike Unreal, it still has plenty of friction
You have to kind of fight against the engine a lot
indigo olive
yeah... unreal's asset creation at runtime problem is a.... problem xD
indigo olive
yeah xD
indigo olive
the problem is that I strongly dislike unity's workflow
I dont wanna write my own engine I wanna ship something
tranquil oracle
if I liked Unity's workflow the SDK wouldn't be the way it is 
tranquil oracle
I often find myself disliking many editor-centric workflows
indigo olive
but tbh... I like the entitydefs + non oop scripting language
tranquil oracle
but that's probably because I come from a doom modding background
indigo olive
my problem with trenchboom is lighting and effects
I'd really wanna make my own bsp editor in-engine
all realtime
tranquil oracle
There's been a temptation to do that for the SDK at some point after 1.0
indigo olive
at tha tpoint the worklaod is huge
tranquil oracle
But it's not something even remotely planned until the rest is done
indigo olive
it sounds like the SDK isnt really a Dusk SDK but an entire reengineering of the game xD
tranquil oracle
It is, yeah
tranquil oracle
We call it an SDK because it gets the general point across more easily
indigo olive
or just be a side thing people can mod with
indigo olive
neato
rare surge
does anyone here know skyboxes for UE4
ive been trying to import this one and according to the docs on cubemaps all of these settings are correct
but when i import the .dds file i just get this error
Error: DDS file contains data in an unsupported format.
Error: Texture import failed
can anyone see what ive done wrong or point me to another program that generates dds cubemaps that works for unreal
indigo olive
Unfortunately not, not really my area of the engine
candid dawn
I think the ue4 slacker graphics channel could help
indigo olive
Have you tried the Unreal Slackers discord?
candid dawn
but maybe youve already tried
indigo olive
^^
rare surge
na i havent tried that
indigo olive
this is spooky
rare surge
could you dm the link please
candid dawn
lol
rare surge
ive never heard of that server before
candid dawn
its the best
indigo olive
I cant link other servers in here apprently
candid dawn
indigo olive
mods pls no nuke me for this http s://di scord. gg/ unreal-slackers
not self promoting
rare surge
thanks
candid dawn
ask in graphics not general
rare surge
aite
indigo olive
but yeah... I was perfectly happy with Unreal for my game and now you have me looking at making a layer ontop fo godot... I hate ya'll
swift glade
unique trellis
The artstyle on this is crazy good. Doom mod?
swift glade
Yeah!
deep pulsar
bless doom modding
hybrid egret
Just an idea for how Duskdude might function/play in something like Quake Champions. Bear in mind, I haven't played QC in a while, and would merely like some feedback on spitballs.
Duskdude would be a medium-size champ, but slightly lighter, with higher speed, and lower max health/armor.
Ideas for his passive abilities would be:
unique trellis
isn't dusk dude in that doom mod
hybrid egret
Dodge flip: he takes 20% less damage from enemy ranged fire, when actively/willingly airborne. (I.e.: whenever he's NOT thrown into the air by enemy knockback.)
Seems he already is, but just feel this would be a fun little idea to toss out there, for the sake of feedback. I'm a game design student, and would like to just share these.
Slide Dash: Whenever he lands on the ground, after jumping from a particular height (roughly twice his average jump height, or more), he gains a minor speed boost, that lasts for 0.5 seconds, and returns to normal running speed over 1.5 seconds
Active Ability ideas:
Magic Bolt: Duskdude shoots a magic crossbow bolt, that's a small, fast-moving projectile, which passes through enemies and walls. Medium-Low damage, but damage increases the farther away the target is (somewhat akin to the crusader's crossbow from TF2).
Serum of Blistering Heat: Duskdude injects himself with the serum, that mimics the effects of the DUSK version, within a certain radial aura around the champion, for the duration it lasts. Duskdude's movement speed is slightly reduced (by roughly 12%), but hostile things within it are slowed further. Projectiles are slowed, down to 1/4 their speed, and enemies are slowed down to 1/3 their speed.
(I'm unsure whether or not it would be better to have it work with, or without Duskdude's movement. To make it actual Superhot style, or just bullet time)
Rune of Rapid Fire: For a temporary period of time, Duskdude enters a form of rage that affects his weapons. Projectiles travel faster; while hitscan weapons hit twice (but are reduced in damage by 25% and have 15% less accuracy)
(Admittedly, this one's difficult to separate from BJ's ult.)
So, what do you guys think?
indigo olive
https://realtimecsg.com/ sigh... this might be enough for me to go running into the hands of Unity again...
keen bear
we use RCSG for gloomwood
and maximum action now
its quite good
however, it will be replaced by chisel
same author
chisel has some REALLY good features
๐ฉ
indigo olive
Chisel looks awesome but from what I understant it's not really ready even though ti's available?
indigo olive
I cant remember who's suggestion it was but while playing around in unity I made a shader that does the nice filtering of tiny pixel art textures instead of scaling them! ๐ Could probably backport to unreal too tbh.
indigo olive
Without...
With... I dont thinks it's as good as the upsampling technique but it's really nice!
The lighting difference is just other parameters of the PBR that doesnt match
indigo olive
so you dont get as nice texture filtering up close however you do get decent mip mapping and AF
indigo olive
<@&249011167937298432> <@&451873325136740353> <@&440264780557844490> what networking solution are you using for the game? o.O
indigo olive
yep...
sigh why is ther eno game engine that can just do everything reasonably well
keen bear
lol yeah its uh
indigo olive
the brush based level design is a killer thing for unity... the networking is for unreal...
keen bear
its a whole thing
and yeah chisel isnt really ready at all
so RCSG is the best bet right now
unity HAS some networking stuff
but its current for is extremely complicated
and kind of a mess
very WIP
this shit
its a good networking implementation, but its very not ready to be used by humans
indigo olive
yeha I noped out of that one xD
keen bear
the right move
indigo olive
just gimme rpcs, reped vars and a dedicated server and I'm happy ๐ข
there are 3rd parties but they are messy af
indigo olive
oh, side note, this shader looks fucking NEATO with a non grid texture
quite happe with that, and it's a 32x32 per tile texture, none of that scaling shit xD
I'll check it out!
indigo olive
ohhh neat!
hard valley
unique trellis
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409486544055828500/710663670459531284/unknown.png simple test
time to see if the skybox works
it works
almost corrupted my game like
twice but it works
prisma basalt
i demand cerebral bore
toxic hemlock
that is absolutely on the list
prisma basalt
wraith beacon
I like Turok 2's gameplay but it's level design smells.
prisma basalt
razer wind would be sick too
toxic hemlock
i have a pretty good idea of how to do that one as well
and lets not forget
the n u k e
unique trellis
I AM TUROK
toxic hemlock
i will eventually get around to having widescreen sprites as well, these 4:3 ones are just grandfathered in since technically this is an officially sanctioned zscript port of an existing mod
wraith beacon
Because you haven't turned the volume down probably.
unique trellis
i'll do that
candid dawn
cut a new trailer for my FPS project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAJjL9Nh3k
outer eagle
Looks awesome
candid dawn
thanks ๐
unique trellis
Flipping action engaged
near mortar
It looks good but those light bricks still put me off
near mortar
In that case, problem solved
candid dawn
๐
near mortar
scenic mica
Hi there! I wanted to share my free indie game with you since we're all in this server I'll suppose you like retro games as much as I do ๐
https://selewi.itch.io/rottenwood-lake-project
analog pollen
looks cool
scenic mica
Thanks!
indigo olive
Hey the Hell Hunt demo is out! https://twitter.com/T19gs/status/1261289610518294531
analog pollen
yeah it looks great but it plays rough
helped the dev fix a bug earlier today but it's gonna take a while for him to polish the gameplay
indigo olive
Releasing a demo before it's ready is not a good idea... like sharing build with a small community of people sure but like... "Here is my demo." isnt a good look if you're right
One shot at a first impression ya know
analog pollen
yup, from what i talked with him he assumed that a public demo would be a good way of polishing the game so he hadn't done private testing beforehand
indigo olive
what was causing the kerky mouse issue? how do you fuck that up? xD
I'll probably be fairly open with development sharing builds in random discords and friends but I sure as hell wouldn make it look like entering early access
analog pollen
the mouse input was in FixedUpdate which he had setup to 60 frames per second, meaning anyone playing at a higher framerate than that would have the mouse movement not update every frame
indigo olive
which this kinda does
oh
oh no
I mean it's his first game so still impressive
but that's not a good sign
analog pollen
he definitely seems like more of an artist than a game designer, but he seems to take feedback well so hopefully he'll improve
indigo olive
he disabled the unity launcher but hasnt added video options
analog pollen
or audio options
indigo olive
alt+enter doesnt work
it resets to fullscreen and breaks alt tab
yeah I might hit him up for texture work actually it looks really good but... the melee anims and the delay...
with some time this could be great though... he needs to play more dusk though ๐
analog pollen
i would recommend sending your thoughts about the game to him through twitter DMs or the itch.io page, he can't improve without knowing what he's done wrong after all
indigo olive
I might, I just dont like the idea of hopping in someone's dms to shit on their work
but I mean this is a nice exception because of the promis behind it
analog pollen
you can mention things you do like about it first
near mortar
Oh yeah this is real rough
Also apparently you have pistols from the start but the game doesn't tell you and your first equipped weapon is the dual swords that can be used as a javelin
so I went through a good stretch of this demo wondering when the pistols were gonna show up then accidentally pressed 2
The movement is really weird and diagonal movement gives you an absurd nigh uncontrollable speed boost
indigo olive
float yvel = vel.y;
vel.y = 0;
vel = Vector3.ClampMagnitude(vel, movmeentSpeed);
vel.y = yvel;
``` fixedwell I mean it still has non linear acceleration, there are ways to fix it properly but it's enough for government work
near mortar
The hit detection is super off, it's hard to actually hit anything with the swords as a result. I think the hitboxes might be smaller than the actual model which is no bueno
indigo olive
do it to teh input not the velocity is the proper way
question: locational damage or old school BOXES for weapon detection?
as in what do you prefer
analog pollen
depends on the game
near mortar
I mean personally I like hitboxes for games that are trying to be more like oldschool FPS
analog pollen
or you can do it like ULTRAKILL does and have locational hitboxes but make em extra big so they're lenient like oldschool hitboxes
indigo olive
I was planning on doing chonky limb damage boxes
hitscan weapons will have point accuracy obv but rockets and stuff would have quake style chonky colliders
analog pollen
big brain
near mortar
If you're too specific with how accurate the player has to be in an oldschool FPS it tends to just feel like the weapons aren't as accurate as they should be as opposed to "oh my aim sucks"
indigo olive
That is definitely the way to do it
near mortar
Because enemies will likely move on you quite rapidly
indigo olive
also, I forgot you can animate inside of unity
analog pollen
dont do it tho
indigo olive
why?
analog pollen
iirc david did that for dusk and it was a nightmare to fix
indigo olive
I cant animate for shit cause the animation workflow in blender sucks ass
analog pollen
works fine for me
near mortar
Personally I think the spear throw is a lot less useful than it should be as well
The long cooldown time with no way to pick the spear back up manually to regain the swords is mildly annoying to begin with and then you're rendered without any kind of melee for the duration
indigo olive
I'd be happy to pay for you to take me though it sometime? :3 I know how to model in blender fine and will probably only take a couple of hours, I'd ask the guys at work but they are all Maya peeps
analog pollen
sure, i can probably teach you the basics at some point
indigo olive
Awesome thanks! will probably be a few weeks before I can get around to it as work is pretty crunchy atm and I'm planning on porting the game to unity for dat sweet realtime CSG
analog pollen
sure, don't have any plans yet
indigo olive
What method are you using for level creation btw?
this is all stuff that's outside my sphere of comfort and knowledge so have been learning ๐
although unity is really making me question it right now as I cant get emission to work with hdrp at all unless I check use emission intensity and bump that to like 1000... which doesnt sound bad till you realise they dont expose emission intensity to Shader Graph
analog pollen
probuilder, would switch to CSG but i've got a weird workflow because of the whole PSX thing so surfaces have to be divided into grids
indigo olive
Unreal just works ๐ฆ Unity has the plugin support.
ahhh yeah makes sense
I remember doing a destruction thing that used tesselation to make things like explosions put dents in the level... for that demo it was such a pain making sure there was enough geo for the effect ๐ข
shadow mist
@indigo olive what kind of music do you intend on putting in your game
indigo olive
I'd love to have Koven and Virtual Self on it but I doubt that would happen
shadow mist
idk who that is
indigo olive
obviously neither of those songs could be dropped into a game
but I love their work and it fits the universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfPnq3i4Udw
@analog pollen sent off like a wall of text and he seemed quite happy with the feedback actually
which is a nice change from a lot of people ^-^
analog pollen
i know right
tranquil oracle
to elaborate on the animation thing
animating models inside Unity is a nightmare if you ever intend to use those models anywhere else, because you can't get those animations out of Unity unless you write your own exporter
indigo olive
oh yeah for sure! what was the use case of extracting tthem though?
I'v ealways used proper anims in stuff but being able to animate myself natively in the editor and not have to worry about the import process is a huge plus
but it may be short sighted if you know of reasons you'd wanna export things?
analog pollen
what if you decide to switch engines again
indigo olive
I'll cry
I'm trying to really test everything before commiting tbh
the fact I'm having trouble with fucking emission of all things isnt bodeing well
tranquil oracle
switching engines, handing them off to other animators for cutscenes, modding support, etc
tranquil oracle
animating in-editor is best left to things like the movement of a camera for an ingame cutscene
imo
indigo olive
yeah, it makes sense for sure
tranquil oracle
but if you're just making a small game that you don't intend to expand I don't think it'd matter much
indigo olive
I'll have a session with @analog pollen at some point and see how it goes, it's one of those "do it right or just make a fucking game" questions
tranquil oracle
yeah
indigo olive
I dont rememebr who mentioned analysis paralisys but I'm definitely in that stage
analog pollen
using blender with unity is real easy and painless unless you fall into the trap of directly using .blend files instead of exporting to .fbx
me and zombie had a ride with that one
analog pollen
everything's a trilogy these days
indigo olive
how the hell do you animatetwo objects together? o.O
tranquil oracle
why would you curse me so
indigo olive
like two characters shaking hands
I've done the blender thing for the weapon in my game
but like... the workflow for animating it in the hands instad I cant find info on
well I'm sure id find it if I sat down for a few hours and watched a proper course
but ADD... xD
tranquil oracle
I'm not an animator so I wouldn't know many of the details but I'd imagine you make a scene in blender with both models and animate them, and you can then save the individual animations into each blend
analog pollen
i did that for the shotgun at some point, i dont remember specifically anymore but it's like a child modifier or something that you can set to change from 0 to 1 with keyframes to make it act as the child of another bone
no wait i think i misunderstood
indigo olive
I mean I think I worked out at the time how to add a child
but like
how do I animate two object sin one scene
so I have 3 blend files, pistol, arms and pistol_fire
and pistol fire has two anims in it one for the arms and one for the pistol
and then exporting the fbxs seperately
analog pollen
i'm confused
why
why not just have one blend file with the pistol, arms and animations in it
indigo olive
version control
and it gets messy
and it's still two animations to export that I dont understand how
unless you're saying have all the models in that blend file
in which case
ew
analog pollen
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analog pollen
there probably is
indigo olive
you wouldn model a horse and a player in the same file just because they interact would you? o.O
you'd just end up with the whole game in blender
analog pollen
no but i would make unique viewmodels for every weapon
tranquil oracle
Blender Game Engine
indigo olive
oh....
analog pollen
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
indigo olive
yeah that's not really how it's usually done but I mean it looks good in ultrakill
our animators list link everything into maya and animate them as a scene and select an object before exporting and it only exports that object's animations
but when I linked in blender I couldnt edit the object's armature
and I was stumped and just gave up
analog pollen
never done it that way so i dont know, guess i cant help you after all
indigo olive
I'm sure you'll have some useful stuff!
just doing it that way would set off my OCD
like what if I needed to change the hands?
analog pollen
yeah that'd be messy
indigo olive
Incase anyone was curious, this was the cause of my emission woes, they hid the intensity in a seperate node https://forum.unity.com/threads/emission-only-showing-in-material-preview-windows.891073/#post-5854678
keen bear
I still havent fucked with the node graph for shaders
i usually just write them by hand
need to get around to learning it
indigo olive
I need to get around to learning hlsl tbh
Unreal meant there was no reason to bother xd
I mean in theory shader graph does that too
candid dawn
I love ue4 material graph
indigo olive
how hard is it to do something similar to this where you're just modifying inputs to the PBR node?
candid dawn
I am very dumb but it let's me write shaders like cool guys
wraith beacon
Yeah I should probably learn HLSL so I'm not constantly banging my head against the wall with UE4's material editor which is a nice material editor but I like doing this that it isn't meant to be doing.