You can have rooms above other rooms
#general-modding
unique trellis
hazy sorrel
doing 3d floors on top of each other isnt really full 3d mapping
unique trellis
It is still not 3D mapping
midnight crow
yup
unique trellis
Quake was the first
crystal kraken
Isn't there the SteamVR workshop tool suite already?
tired warren
Yeah
People have been making HLA stuff with it
But I'm waiting for the official HLA tools to come out since they'll probably have more functionality
And presumably be released alongside Workshop support
coarse token
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Av9qz2_fA
I get the impression that modern source ports are a lot more forgiving when it comes to doom mapping. I'd call this "full 3d"
hazy sorrel
well open up doom builder/gzdoom builder and see how much time will take you to make several sectors on top of each other
coarse token
I didn't say it was practical
midnight crow
think of it this way @coarse token
you're not making a building made out of brushes - with multiple floors and ceiling and all that
in case of doom it's more like...
there's only one floor, and then there's another floor made somewhere outside the map and it's projected on top of the first one
that's what those triangles are for - those are dummy sectors - that's what those other floors are made of
coarse token
Yeah I know but I'm too tired to actually explain myself so nvm.
unique trellis
It's still not 3D mapping, in real 3D mapping you can make a brush and move, rotate, resize it however you feel like
dusk dove
everyone's getting hype about a minecraft mod that lets you play minesweeper for loot and im so glad my dumb idea for making mining less monotonous in a minecraft style game isnt that dumb
unique trellis
Did some improvement on the Blistering Heat powerup I coded for Doosk
https://youtu.be/gtwvE-ERFMg
hell ye
midnight crow
oh crap
you're the guy that made doosk?
unique trellis
midnight crow
alright then - quick question
in your opinion...
how hard would it be to make a guns akimbo powerup from blood...
but in DECORATE?
unique trellis
Not much i think.
You just have to make the weapon code jump to a different substate if the poweruo is found to be in the player inventory
unique trellis
TNT1 A 0 A_JumpIfInventory("AkimboPowerup", "AkimboFire")
Of course you also have to code the animation and projectile firing functions
midnight crow
oh cool
thanks 
robust ridge
You can also use powerweaponlevel2 and use a sister weapon.
Kinda like heretic's tome of power
(Or doosk fast fire totem)
mighty charm
Any good tutorials for original doom weapon modding?
I want it to use custom sprites, plasma rifle-like projectiles as main fire and shotgun as secondry fire
hazy sorrel
Decorate or ZScript
Why i even ask, if he dosent have an idea then decorate 
But this is really barebones
If this is not enough for ya just look up the code of guns with features youre interested in
I dont recall any more adv tutorial for decorate guns
Also some folks here have long experience with that, you can ask them
mighty charm
Yeah that's the first resource I found - do you have any idea where I can find script examples ?
hazy sorrel
no idea
If this is not enough for ya just look up the code of guns with features youre interested in
hazy sorrel
Default weapons arent in decorate, but there are translated how they work in decorate
mighty charm
Great so I'll try that โค๏ธ
hazy sorrel
unique trellis
Quick meme for the day https://youtu.be/q3y0vBhpQ5c
unique trellis
Sorry I did not get to the garbage collection coding chapter
tired warren
Waiting for that The Stanley Parable HL:A mod
"When Alyx came to a set of two open doors, she entered the door on her left."
unique trellis
"When Alyx tried to hurt a headcrab with a rock she picked up from the ground and realized she couldn't, she felt a deep sadness"
tired warren
@unique trellis Actually it is possible to beat up headcrabs with physics objects, it's just hard
I was experimenting with headcrabs and I managed to kill one by hitting it with a can
winged shard
yeah ifi recall right thrown objects seemed to be nerfed by skill.cfg before release
or at least theres a cvar for it that isn't in skill.cfg by default.
analog pollen
unique trellis
Good shill 
analog pollen
timber vault
analog pollen
more games need style meters
unique trellis
More games need style
hazy sorrel
looks like screen shake might get obnoxious over time with railgun
analog pollen
yea i'm gonna tone it down a bit
near mortar
That's a good shotgun
low thicket
will swap the minecraft font soon as well, needed a placeholder font that could at least somewhat fit the artstyle
unique trellis
Better results than yesterday
https://youtu.be/ZlYjg3WZ3_Y
spare scarab
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670255664005644316/699234418639896617/2020-04-13_21-27-17.mp4 this took me way too much time - and i didnt even finish it because i dont know how to use the UV editor in blender - but here's my attempt at a quake shotgun replacement
keen bear
neat
valid solar
unique trellis
He be hopping to the beat
coarse token
you can reach similar speeds by bhopping
hazy sorrel
or randomly when jumping upslopes
hazy sorrel
nah sometimes the same happens when you just run towards the slope
often with quite unusual geo
(like in Hell on Earth level)
lunar merlin
Maybe already noted, but does anyone else notice a bit of audio clipping on the Dusk modding beta? Weapon sounds getting a little cut off, etc?
wraith beacon
I got super bored and did this
I may or may not keep this as an optional feature but the game is still a top down shooter at heart.
rigid sorrel
Might make a fun unlockable or something
tired warren
I mean Doom was basically a top down shooter but from a first person perspective
neat hare
๐ค
toxic hemlock
not really, doom was just a really weird approach to a 3D engine
tired warren
If you look at the map view you realize Doom is literally a top down shooter from a technical standpoint
And then a lot of the game design makes sense
toxic hemlock
eeehhhh again not rly
tired warren
The focus on circle strafing to dodge projectiles, weapons never needing to be reloaded, it's all stuff from top down shooters
toxic hemlock
maps are stored in 2D yes, but the Z axis exists and is very important
tired warren
In the original you couldn't aim up or down
toxic hemlock
yea cos the renderer didnt perspective correct, causing disorienting y-shearing
tired warren
I mean, the game pretty much plays exactly like a 2D top down shooter and a lot of the game makes more sense when you think about it in those terms
toxic hemlock
i dont usually think of platforming in top down shooters but ok
tired warren
fair
tranquil oracle
I really wish people would stop calling doom a top down shooter
someone do a false copyright claim to get that one video taken down so people stop regurgitating it
brazen copper
tranquil oracle
rigid sorrel
Pretty sure it's a sidescroller
wraith beacon
The question is though, is Type to Reload a top down shooter or a Type down shooter.
I don't even know if I want to use that term, I came up with it one day and any time I think about it I hate it but I also think it's a decent pun.
tired warren
Receiver is just Type To Reload but the word you have to type is always EZZZZZZR
untold niche
Isn't the idea that DOOM is 2D from a technical standpoint from that Digressing and Sidequesting video?
I mean the dude ain't completely wrong as far as I can tell
wraith beacon
Like, he's right about the game using BSP rendering but the game is 3D in a lot of aspects.
The auto aim is an intentional design choice for instance.
hazy sorrel
doom was shoot'em up from the start
crystal kraken
bsps aren't "stored in 2d", they're not a grid or a bitmap. the representation has all three dimensions on it, it's just stored in a really limited way.
that's far more visible in games that make more usage of the first dimension on the doom engine, such as Hexen or Strife
if you want to be pedantic about it, it has a limitation that won't allow you to do angled floors (not really- BTSX has some limited usage of arched structures, but it's done with very, very small increments to each sector) or rooms over rooms.
btsx
afaik btsx is compatible w/ doom2.exe
unique trellis
It is
swift glade
lean gyro
Whoaaaaaa, I'm actually having some major personal breakthroughs in Doom modding.
I've figured out how to use a struct to create what's essentially a stat table that weapons can access at any time.
unique trellis
C coders rise up
If you use Classes instead of Structs you can make one per weapon and store them into an array
lean gyro
I like having all the stats in one place. It makes it easier to focus on tweaking the gameplay variables once the base code is done.
It's stuff like base damage, multipliers, and so on.
I can set up the stats in there as I go along, reference them in the different actors I make, and once the actors are finished and stable, I can edit all the variables in the struct for balancing purposes.
coarse token
structs and classes are fucntionally the same though excepting the private/public "defaultness" in C++, or am I mistaken? Does modding doom produce some sort of exception to this rule?
I don't know C, just C#/C++ to be fair.
unique trellis
Struct types are defined outside the boundaries of a class but A struct must be defined inside a class.
Therefore to access the struct you must access the class that holds it.
Example
struct MyStruct
{
Actor AnActor;
Vector3 aVector;
}
Class MyClass : PlayerPawn
{
MyStruct MySpecificStruct;
}```To modify values store in a struct you need to
MySpecificStruct.AnActor = TheActor;
MySpecificStruct.aVector = TheVector;
I tried C syntax
MySpecificStruct = { TheActor, TheVector };
But it does not compile and do not know if such a thing can be done
Maybe C# notation
MySpecificStruct strct = new MySpecificStruct(TheActor, TheVector);
works but I do not have a test subject handy to do it
ZScript structs cannot used in arrays (bummer)
coarse token
I haven't used c++ for a long ass time but I remember being able to declare a struct like this:
struct struct0
{
dataType name;
}
didn't have to be in a class
maybe it was bad practice but I don't remember dealing with structs within classes
unique trellis
I am talking about ZScript structs
As they are implemented in Doom modding
They are defined in the global space outside of a class and declared inside of actors, capable of holding functions and variables of any type```Actors are Classes that represent entities in the game world
Yes in regular C they do not need to be defined inside a Class
Well regular C does not have classes, but C++ and # yes
unique trellis
hard valley
doomguy learned how to airblast
unique trellis
Trying to make a series of creative and possibly unusual spells
This one should be rather cool once visual FX are added
https://youtu.be/gmRPYe36SrI
tranquil oracle
in C++ the only difference between struct and class is default accessibility, but in C# they're completely different
a C# class is a garbage collected type, while a struct is a value type (equivalent to class and struct in C++. but without inheritance or vtables)
misty sparrow
hi zombie :]
tranquil oracle
deep pulsar
yeah, it's kind of a shit that you can't use struct arrays
btw I implemented all the sound and animation work for another weapon
rocket launcher of sorts with four ammo types
unique trellis
thanks Marisa very cool
deep pulsar
what I'm sad about though is that I kinda... wasted some effort on its internals
I thought they'd be visible from first person, but guess not
when it cycles between rounds it does some cool spins and stuff
also icarus is going to kill himself with this the very moment he uses it
mark my words
unique trellis
After wasting a good 15 minutes to figure out I could not make structs array I found out I could use classes and was ok with it
deep pulsar
yeah
topaz breach
just out of curiosity are you the one who did Soundless Mound II?
deep pulsar
there's no II
but yes
are you a time traveler or something
2 isn't even planned yet
unique trellis
what the
outer eagle
hazy sorrel
Now we need Soundless Mound
topaz breach
soundless mound 1 when, lil mari?
deep pulsar
huh
joel you feckin' buffoon
you clown
there is not a single "II" anywhere in the fucking thing
hazy sorrel
He made it up to entertain people as always
unique trellis
So why don't I feel entertained?
hazy sorrel
I feel not entertained cuz i didnt finished my map for contest
I need to play soundless mound II
deep pulsar
hah
analog pollen
clearly you just recognise excellence when you see it
unique trellis
It's tough being a fully original robot in the year 2020
deep pulsar
:P
unique trellis
deep pulsar
at least my robot is a cute anime gril wait nvm booster and la tailor girl did that already
unique trellis
We can only accept nothing we make will be ever fully original
deep pulsar
fug
near mortar
Should've gone with a necron
weak cargo
or a toaster
deep pulsar
lol
unique trellis
need more robot protagonists
deep pulsar
=w=
even the part about having a nice butt was already done by ltg
though
booster also
I mean
I got this fanart
unique trellis
nice
deep pulsar
me getting fanart was a blessing
I mean, I asked for it
but I didn't expect to actually get any
brittle yew
Dark Engine (Thief, System Shock 2) modding is really cool, particularly with the NewDark updates. You can accomplish a ton with text files and scripts that get loaded at runtime and can be compatible with other mods, with no need to replace map files or compile script packages
It's pretty well known that you can move objects around and even "convert" objects in the map to other archetypes by deletion and spawn script triggers, but with the latter strategy you can't edit the spawned object's properties. Except I just implemented a script that can do exactly that!
So I can say, replace a working Pistol in the Engineering supply closet in SS2 with a broken Laser Pistol, or what have you
deep pulsar
one thing I really like about the dark engine is its sound system
I even managed to sorta replicate it... for a single map in a heretic community project
brittle yew
Yeah, it's really clever that it uses the vis portals to control propagation. I don't know all of the details
deep pulsar
the whole map was sort of a homage to thief anyway
I mean more in terms of all the dynamic ambience and other sounds
brittle yew
Ah yeah, just quality sound design in general
deep pulsar
the "sound schema" system
brittle yew
Eric Brosius really knocked it out of the park with those games
deep pulsar
ye
brittle yew
The impact is really obvious in Thief where sound is crucial to the player's stealth state and feedback from enemies, but I think people slightly undervalue its presence in SS2 as well. It's all on the feedback side, but hearing enemies around the corner before you see them really adds to the tension and dread
To be fair, this is also a big part of why I love the horror parts of Thief 1 so much
unique trellis
I never finished Thief but SS2 is chef kiss
deep pulsar
heh
unique trellis
I kid you not
https://youtu.be/NtzZrWhdKmU
hollow adder
Doesn't Rainbow Siege 6 also control sound, so it doesn't phase footsteps straight through walls/floors/ceilings?
humble herald
@analog pollen congrats on the icarus vid
analog pollen
thanks babe
unique trellis
Robutt
weak cargo
robutt
near mortar
V1 cheeks
deep pulsar
too late, hege cactus has drawn the robutts already
well, not yours, but mine and term's
maybe I should ask him
misty sparrow
Beep boop butt
unique trellis
Robo assssets
deep pulsar
no response yet, I'll wait
analog pollen
analog pollen
would probably be acceptable as long as your robot isnt filled with blood
analog pollen
should be fine then
deep pulsar
also sandwiches
I don't know how a robot that doesn't even have a mouth or a digestive system eats sandwiches, but it happens
deep pulsar
the sandwiches get turned into energy and armor instantly after it finishes eating, though
making a cork pop noise
there is no logical explanation for this process
there is lore "explaining" it though
analog pollen
bro you expect me to read for a doom mod?
deep pulsar
hah
reading is optional
... I say, even though the mod has complicated enough mechanics that reading MAY be needed
misty sparrow
Strange Aeons comes with a full manual and itโs actually a good read
deep pulsar
my mod has fucking SIDE NOVELS of all things
apart from having a very exhaustive "codex"
misty sparrow
MetaDoom and Lithium have very codexes
deep pulsar
you can compare my mod to lithium, kinda
the similarities are entirely coincidental though
because I never played it before until I started dating the author
misty sparrow
Lol
deep pulsar
Saya: Well uh... I guess I'll accept it, then. How many can you make?
Nukritas 1xx: Well, to be precise... As many as you want, yes.
Nukritas 2xx: We can also offer a hoagie variant if sandwiches are not your
thing.
bro you expect me to read for a doom mod?
there's some funny shit in comments
you're missin out
shadow mist
this isn't modding but i'm trying to make mouse look in unity
and the character keeps spazzing out looking up and down
over and over
weak cargo
yeah but we use it as dev general
mods, games
dunno if anyone's posted programs before, but
hushed hull
Have u actually fully completed the tutorial?
Cause it looks like there should be more lines of code
Unless most of the shit is being handled in the libraries ur using
keen bear
i dont think its the code written there
hushed hull
And thereโs definitely no sign of any other classes or anything like that in the vid?
hushed hull
Post the tutorial?
shadow mist
same thing in the video
hushed hull
So am I wrong in thinking the two additional tabs are classes needed for this to work?
hushed hull
MouseLook and PlayerLook
keen bear
nah it works
its not very good mouselook
but it does work
@shadow mist make sure `playerbody
is not the camera
shadow mist
its not
keen bear
and also dont make mouseSensitivity fucking 100
use 10
lmao
heres your code, duplicated exactly, but i exposed the fields as public, so you can see whats happening in the editor panel
public class Mouselook : MonoBehaviour
{
public float mouseSensitivity = 100f;
public Transform playerBody;
public float xRotation = 0f;
// Start is called before the first frame update
void Start()
{
Cursor.lockState = CursorLockMode.Locked;
}
// Update is called once per frame
void Update()
{
float mouseX = Input.GetAxis("Mouse X") * mouseSensitivity;
float mouseY = Input.GetAxis("Mouse Y") * mouseSensitivity;
xRotation -= mouseY;
xRotation = Mathf.Clamp(xRotation, -90f, 90f);
transform.localRotation = Quaternion.Euler(xRotation, 0f, 0f);
playerBody.Rotate(Vector3.up * mouseX);
}
}
if you paste that in
put the main camera as a child of say, a capsule
and then attach the mouselook script to the camera
it will work
make mouse sensitivity 10
this is what the scene setup looks like
i put cubes as reference points
so you can determine where you are
hushed hull
I need to get back to doing more self taught game shit asap. Next year is gonna be too fucking hectic to have proper time to do it
keen bear
i noticed you also missed Time.deltaTime in the tutorial
which is why this feels so shit lol
shadow mist
yeah it was causing a framerate issue
keen bear
time.deltatime IS the framerate
wraith beacon
^
keen bear
youll need to use 100 as the sensitivy probably if youre using time.deltatime
keen bear
10 is too slow
keen bear
that just means youve used the wrong transform in playerbody
which is what controls your rotation
honestly i need like 1000 with that because the framerate is too high, which is a severe drawback of his mouselook design
im getting 2000 fps
hushed hull
Who is Brackeys exactly? Only just heard of him today lmao
wraith beacon
Tutorial man.
hushed hull
Is he just a coding tutorial guy?
keen bear
hes a big gamedev tutorial man
hushed hull
K
wraith beacon
I mostly just linked him because I know his stuff is at least passable.
keen bear
this is specifically where youve gone wrong
that needs to be set to the capsule, not the camera
hushed hull
Donโt really use video tutorials that much unless Iโm absolutely forced to or the occasional watch here and there
shadow mist
i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong now, cause i did set it to the capsule
or rather
cylinder
keen bear
can you upload a screenshot
shadow mist
sure
keen bear
of your scene, the script, and setup
shadow mist
keen bear
id suggest locking your framerate if youre gonna use that code
keen bear
because your mouselook will be framerate dependent
shadow mist
choppiness
keen bear
you need that Time.deltaTime code
shadow mist
i did set it
keen bear
float mouseY = Input.GetAxis("Mouse Y") * mouseSensitivity * Time.deltaTime;```in Start()
Application.targetFrameRate = 300;
or do like, 60
that should level out whats going on
while you learn
shadow mist
invalid token
keen bear
i think youve put it in the wrong place
void Start()
{
Application.targetFrameRate = 60;
Cursor.lockState = CursorLockMode.Locked;
}```you could also use vsync
shadow mist
yeah probably
keen bear
ideally, as homework, you should make sure the math isnt framerate dependent
shadow mist
imma learn C# to make this easier
unique trellis
Always delta time your games, yey.
analog pollen
takes me back to the previous frame and tells me the time it took
deep pulsar
:P
unique trellis
We have truly come a long way
0.01s
deep pulsar
deep pulsar
heh
even the player is a 3d model
honestly I prefer working with models than with sprites
easier to animate
unique trellis
Repainting it to match Doom's style seems like it'd be a huge pain in the ass, too
deep pulsar
it's just my own little style :v
you're actually going to see it in soundless mound too, since it'll also use 3d models
hazy sorrel
smooth
unique trellis
Only thing that bothers me is the melee animation, I feel like it should move a bit faster to really sell me on the gibs producing impact
hazy sorrel
its really hard to animate mdls?
unique trellis
There is no model interpolation so you have to make all frames
It's like animating sprites except it's a model
hazy sorrel
oof
deep pulsar
oh, there IS model interpolation
hazy sorrel
i mean Q3/Doom 3/GZDoom mdls
unique trellis
Really? When was it added?
deep pulsar
I remember it being a thing since forever
hazy sorrel
it can be implemented into q1 engine
unique trellis
Although you still need to animate models like sprites
Because what the engine does is replacing a sprite frame with an associated model frame
deep pulsar
I think I can accelerate the two-handed melee
honestly I blame the slowness of it on the fact I was syncing it with the "swing" sound
but it seems I can trim it
unique trellis
The animation itself is good it's just that I struggle to associate a explosion of flesh to the speed it moves at
deep pulsar
yeah, it's much better now
deep pulsar
mrowrwind
unique trellis
Instead you get Sam
hazy sorrel
and i guess theres no modern tools for that
deep pulsar
cock1 cock2
unique trellis
Sam engine
patent spade
wow thats fuckin fast
did not look like that in the program
thats...better its not supposed to look that fast but alright
oh never mind my program was just running slow...for 1 and 1/2 hours straight
deep pulsar
FAST RELOAD
unique trellis
Nice shotgun reload.
unique trellis
Okey fellas so what's the deal with "Singeltons" instead of static classes
deep pulsar
wow that got deleted fast
anyway, are you sure that's the right name?
isn't it "singleton"?
patent spade
the fuck is a singleton
tranquil oracle
A singleton is a class that you access through a single instance
Useful because a static class cannot be instantiated and cannot inherit
patent spade
that sounds sick, might need to look into that for "random future stuff"
patent spade
me has python code that renames images in order so i can use them for doom animations
my python code jumbles up the alphabet like a boss despite the code including the alphabet in order ๐
midnight crow
hey guys - quick question
does anyone know if there's a way of controlling an alternate hud made in SBINFO in game via ACS?
it's like...
a while ago i made this new hud and now i'm looking for a way of turning it on and off in game with ACS
unique trellis
Drawing stuff on screen with acs is performance demanding
midnight crow
oh i know - i tried that before
unique trellis
You can create two huds and associate each one to a different screen size
unique trellis
Yes
midnight crow
you can do that even in ACS
but that's not the point
i already have a hud - made in a sbarinfo lump
and now i just want to turn it off for a second using acs
lean gyro
Anyway, maybe it would be better to have separate HUD elements, and figure out some kind of formula in ZScript that would determine their placement based on resolution. Relative placement or some such nonsense.
unique trellis
Give player an item, when sbarifo detects that item make it draw nothing
midnight crow
lean gyro
Oh, for making it turn off? Definitely do inventory stuff.
lean gyro
I've actually been working on a way to make slaughter WADs not be horrible with vanilla-ish Doom.
Taking inspiration from Dynasty Warriors, of all things.
I'm turning all hitscan weapons into fast projectiles with small knockback radii.
So far, it's working wonderfully. The main issue is that whenever a monster gets knocked back into a short wall or stair, they get launched WAY the fuck up regardless of velocity.
At least it's 100% ZSC.
lean gyro
I hate hard work. ๐
unique trellis
Give projectile the HITMASTER flag.
On Death state monster hit becomes the projectile's master.
In the death state
Master.A_GiveInventory("BetterCollisionPhysics", 1);```
in the item you will override Tick like this
Double OldVelZ;
override void Tick()
{
Super.tick();
if(!Owner) { Destroy(); }
if(OldVelZ)
Owner.Vel.Z = OldVelZ;
else if(!Owner.CheckMove(Owner.Pos.XY + Owner.Vel.XY))
OldVelZ = Owner.Vel.Z;
}
That means: if next tic monster goes against a solid surface make vertical velocity 0
lean gyro
Alright, let's see how it works. ๐
unique trellis
The problem you have happens because FastProjectile actors are the only ones that can properly handle faster than 60 speeds
lean gyro
Oh, I'm using FastProjectile.
unique trellis
On the monster
unique trellis
Did an improvement
lean gyro
I like to break things up with plenty of whitespace for readability. Does this still do the trick?
{
Double OldVelZ;
override void Tick()
{
Super.tick();
if(!Owner)
{
Destroy();
}
if(OldVelZ)
{
Owner.Vel.Z = OldVelZ;
}
else if(!Owner.CheckMove(Owner.Pos.XY + Owner.Vel.XY))
{
OldVelZ = Owner.Vel.Z;
}
}
}```holy shit that was fast
it works flawlessly 
thanks @unique trellis @lean gyro
lean gyro
Don't thank me, I didn't do anything useful. I just agreed. ๐ญ
Oh. Shoot. Stairs are still launching monsters into the ceiling.
unique trellis
No need to thank it's just something super basic
lean gyro
So wait, should I add it to the Death state, or XDeath state?
unique trellis
Add it to both for safety
And add a
Console.PrintF("%f", OldVelZ);
In Tick()
To make sure monsters are actually getting the thing
lean gyro
Your physics fix item is in zscript/physics. The FastProjectiles are located in zscript/weapons/projectiles.zsc.
Sorry I'm so folder-crazy.
The whole thing is really kind of a terrible, fragmented mess. ๐ฐ
lean gyro
The debug weapons, under zscript/weapons/debug.
They each use a child of MusouFastProjectile in zscript/weapons/ammotypes.zsc.
Pistol uses 9mm, chaingun uses 12.7mm, shotgun uses 12ga.
unique trellis
So I am adding my artifuicial push to test the script
M_DamagePush(M_WeapStat.Damage9mm,50,"MOD_UNKNOWN");
if(!Master) { return; }
Master.A_GiveInventory("BetterCollisionPhysics", 1);
Master.Vel.XY = 20 * AngleToVector(90);```I get no monster going sky high
And the script return values in the console
So I guess it works
lean gyro
Open up Map01 in Doom 2, and shoot the former human on the right with the pistol.
That dude always reliably flies up like a firework.
unique trellis
Imma check it out
I guess maybe increasing the push scale will make it do it
Lmao yes now I see it
Ok here is the problem how I see it
lean gyro
[Ricochet sound effect]
unique trellis
I will explain through a shitty drawing
lean gyro
Is he slamming into the stair behind him and getting launched upwards by the tiny vertical wall?
unique trellis
The being shot up high depends on the position the projectile stopped
If you shoot it at head height for example the monster does not fly away
lean gyro
I'll just remove the THRUSTZ flag. That seems to work, but it's a bit depressing not being able to pop dudes into the air. 
unique trellis
Let me think for a sec
unique trellis
What is your train of thought for the thrust?
lean gyro
I don't know, but it's definitely derailed.
The original idea was to have a sort of cone of thrust on impact, with a small sphere of pushback at the base of it. But that obviously won't work.
unique trellis
You basically want enemies to rocket jump when hit right?
Cause I see your projectiles use a_explode
I'm gonna send you something in private messages
lean gyro
Nothing so dramatic, actually. I was just aiming for bullets knocking enemies around.
Basically, if someone eats a rocket, they get slammed backwards with a little Z thrust to give it a nice arc.
If someone eats a bullet, I suppose they don't need Z-thrusted. As long as they get knocked around somehow, that should work.
unique trellis
I sent you something that might put you on the right track
deep pulsar
lol
unique trellis
This wolf 3D source port tastes funny......
hazy sorrel
punch is punchy now
crisp talon
how bad does it taste
unique trellis
Like mold
midnight crow
eh - i might as well show what i needed your help for @unique trellis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGmgR7OkJqQ
thanks gain btw
unique trellis
Sweet environment.
midnight crow
danke
i wish i was better at writing shit
reading this back after getting a night's sleep feels so awkward...
coarse token
is this doom 3
unique trellis
I really dislike the Fallout 4's mod community right now. Why is it so difficult for someone to make one simple mod that doesn't need 5 other mods to make it work? No really I just want a keyring mod that doesn't require other bloated mods. ๐ก
hazy sorrel
solution:
don't play fallout 4
unique trellis
It doesn't help that I'm playing the XB1 version. So the mods for that are limited to all heck. Its ether use 5 mods, and create massive inventory lag, or use nothing.
coarse token
I have USB's with all my mods on them, so that I don't have to fiddle with it ever again
eg my call of chernobyl USB has the entire game + mods and a few saves ready to rumble whenever
coarse token
what's wrong with using a usb for storing mods
weak cargo
bit rot
won't have to think about it for a while but it's not good for very-long term storage
lean gyro
Unless you re-initialize it, I believe.
Basically just format it and move shit around now and then.
Mainly because the electric charge used to store data on flash memory could leak over time.
coarse token
bro this is so not cool
but I'm pretty sure the bits will never rot to the level that I can't understand what mods I had installed/needed, at least with shadow of chernobyl/call of pripyat
crystal kraken
pendrives have this nasty habit of simply dying out of the blue tho
I would really advice not using pendrives for anything that isn't their main purpose: transfering data and sick-ass mixtapes
midnight crow
Or go the Randall S. Pitchford's II way
Keep all the important docs along with porn on one pendrive
And then lose it in a public place
deep pulsar
hah
hazy sorrel
rule one
robust ridge
Pitchford and his "magic tricks studies"
deep pulsar
rusty pitchfork
crystal kraken
"for this magic trick I'll make 90% of everyone into gaming hate me"
midnight crow
alright - another quick question
is there a way to give a thing a TID in the decorate definition ?
unique trellis
Not that I knoe of
You can assign one through ACS Thing_ChangeTID
And assign one to things you place in maps through the Map editor
unique trellis
lone quiver
i don't know anything about modding.
but i did worked with a watered-down version of python i guess?
i realised i am not good with that shit
unique trellis
is this the ssg finaly
misty sparrow
Fimaly*
deep pulsar
no
that's the plasma rifle
one of the plasma rifles :v
there's two weapons taking that place
like there being two bfgs
unique trellis
It's C time fellas
gusty cypress
pain
unique trellis
I personally prefer this book
merry swift
the first is a declassified fbi file and the second one is a modern art gallery in a book
merry swift
holy trinity
unique trellis
I have no eyes and I must C
unique trellis
Yes
I hate that all the compiler tutorials I can find spend like 3 hours on the lexer like bruh
spice minnow
im actually learning c myself too lol
what a coincidence
"the c book" is great imo
very informative
deep pulsar
heh
all I've learned is that C++ is a mistake and writing plain C no longer makes me want to gouge my eyes out
it's so much better
unique trellis
I'm watching this rn
And apparently c++ was actually "c with classes" at one point
I thought that was just a meme
unique trellis
also he kinda digs into why all the current big languages are Object Orianted
crystal kraken
used this motherfucker on my thesis: https://github.com/lark-parser/lark/
3 hours I had the entire language parsed
crystal kraken
ANTLR is also really good but for some reason the python backend is insanely slow
wraith beacon
Imagine not making games and shaders using nodes ๐
crystal kraken
parsers are... doable, the problem is writing a parser with good error messages
unique trellis
You know what has excellet error messages?
Rust
Although i do not know a lot beyond that, perhaps I will start learning it after summer
I haven't touched those "new" languages like go and rust
crystal kraken
I got some Rust material on my kindle and have been reading but no project yet, need something to fire me up so I can learn it
deep pulsar
objectionably oriented
shadow mist
is there a hotkey in Doom Builder for when you literally LOSE the map in visual mode
rather how the hell do i manually set my coordinates
hazy sorrel
what do you mean manually set coords
brittle yew
I just released my balance mod for System Shock 2. Check it out:
https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=11194.new#new
neat hare
-Removed damage bonuses to wrench from STD skill
0/10 worst mod /s
nah but really this is cool
brittle yew
Haha thanks
neat hare
even if it sounds like you made the fusion cannon even less useful from reading the patch notes
brittle yew
The Fusion Cannon has been buffed significantly from vanilla by ADaOB (incorporated into SS2Tool patches and the SCP mod)
neat hare
ah
brittle yew
I made it use more ammo, but you can also "buy" prisms with Repair very cheaply
neat hare
so ig the notes are relative to that?
brittle yew
Yeah, it's all relative to SCP, which makes fairly minor changes to balance overall
(what ADaOB did to the Fusion Cannon was give it 10 incendiary damage in addition to its 20 energy damage, so it's guaranteed to deal at least 30 damage to any target)
hazy sorrel
-Doubled Assault Rifle degradation rate (equivalent to Pistol)
neat hare
i'd imagine the projectile of a fucking nuclear fusion cannon would be pretty hot
hazy sorrel
brittle yew
there's a price to pay for higher damage. Harder to maintain too. But still probably the best weapon in power and versatility
brittle yew
Yeah, in the bar with all of the drinks
brittle yew
The game's half-assed excuse for Heavy weapons support early on ๐
Anyone notice that the mod is only 46KB despite all these changes? NewDark is the coolest engine I swear
neat hare
i'd be surprised if it was much bigger tbh
brittle yew
While I've had this mod planned out for over a year, it only took me two weeks from start to finish to learn the tools and make it all happen
The amount of modularity it's gained in the last few years is insane
outer eagle
midnight crow
guys
i need some help with my doomin'
unique trellis
That is the easiest way to not get any help.
State your issue and if anybody can and has time to help will
midnight crow
ok, sorry - i just wanted to know if anyone is up to this
anyway
i figured it out already
sorry about that
unique trellis
Screw it, Zip 22 in GoldenEye
slender knoll
unique trellis
Inaccurate depiction. 0/10
shadow mist
so does anyone know why when you open
Doom 1 levels in Doom Builder
they just don't show up in visual mode
unique trellis
GZ doom builder, or OG Doom builder?
shadow mist
OG
tranquil oracle
Any reason you're using Doom Builder 1?
Or do you mean regular Doom Builder 2?
Either way it sounds like a GPU issue if nothing is rendering
Or drivers
On that note, Ultimate Doom Builder is the latest iteration: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=232&t=66745
It may work for you, as it uses OpenGL now instead of DirectX
shadow mist
i'll switch over most likely thank you
i kind of just downloaded Doom builder (its 2 btw) a long time ago and stuck with it
hazy sorrel
tf is ultimate doom builder
astral night
tranquil oracle
It's a rebranding of GZDoom Builder Bugfix
hazy sorrel
i know
cuz i was sitting on DB and had issues with setting 3d floors, gzdb helped me with that, but i lost plenty of time for readjustment
not gonna switch to that yet cuz i barely have issues with gzdb
tranquil oracle
Main reason I can think of is better ZScript support, but if you don't use ZScript then it's not super important
hazy sorrel
i barely can handle acs im not touching zscript
unique trellis
Sorry, I don't know Doom modding, but is Zscript like the scripting language to create stuff with in maps using Z/GZ?
tranquil oracle
Yeah
Oh wait no, you're likely referring to ACS
ZScript is for all kinds of scripting
unique trellis
Ah.
tranquil oracle
It's basically a much more advanced version of DECORATE, if you're familiar with that
hazy sorrel
You can replace both decorate and acs
With zscript with better control over stuff
but once ive looked into hideous destructor code when weapons were full zscripted ive said nah thanks
but hdest is a beast under hood
unique trellis
Is that what people use to like code non-Doom standard enemies and weapons? Or do they edit the actual src?
unique trellis
This was the only time I ever made a Doom map. Just the default textures and some pinkies.
tranquil oracle
my first map
unique trellis
That lighting is dope.
hazy sorrel
my first map lmao
tranquil oracle
I've only ever done small dumb little maps
unique trellis
The only maps I put effort into are the ones I make in GoldenEye custom maps. Was thinking of moving over to Doom soon-ish since it's a much less niche game to make maps for.
unique trellis
Probably much faster to make maps in Doom, too. Since you likely don't have to manually optimize and split rooms triangle by triangle and set render gates and their respective rooms.
tranquil oracle
If you do big open levels (like, massive) then you might have to do some trickery but otherwise yeah it's way quicker and easier
unique trellis
Like that one Doom wad that's 1:1 scale New York city using the best they could with the engine?
tranquil oracle
no I mean like
open world game-sized
since with big open areas there are very few walls to block other parts of the map with
so everything gets drawn
unique trellis
unique trellis
I didn't even know the Doom engine could do larger. Impresses me how much you can stuff into it
tranquil oracle
It depends on the port you use, but GZDoom is capable of truly gigantic levels
hazy sorrel
too bad performance wise it handles everything across the board poorly on older/weaker hardware
tranquil oracle
Yeah, it's a shame
hazy sorrel
and can even choke proper rigs
unique trellis
Just run nuts.wad
hazy sorrel
mock2.wad is still unplayable in legit way even on todays pc lmao
tranquil oracle
nuts.wad is actually playable in prboom+
hazy sorrel
^
unique trellis
Mock 2 and the Sky May Be. The cursed duo.
tranquil oracle
Obviously GZDoom and PRBoom+ aren't comparable since GZDoom has a lot more going on, but it's an interesting bit of trivia nonetheless
hazy sorrel
wait lmao i just launched the biggest offenders in mock2 and they are fully playable
more so than okuplok
tranquil oracle
Under GZDoom?
hazy sorrel
yes
tranquil oracle
The engine's received a number of perf improvements so that's probably why
Vulkan or GL?
tranquil oracle
lmao
unique trellis
Laptop exploder 5000
hazy sorrel
well the framerate still drops a little when 993 cacodemons are shooting multiple projectiles across the map
deep pulsar
I wish gzdoom had more... in-depth ways of profiling stuff
so I can better optimize my mods
I find myself very often doing this thing where I comment out chunks of code selectively, until I finally find out what exactly tanks the performance
hazy sorrel
I wish gzdoom had more streamlined sector light settings because it blows my mind
tranquil oracle
I used to do automated tests using AllClasses or whatever it was + MSTime()
unique trellis
swift glade
analog pollen
neat hare
i want it.
shadow mist
what is the darkest Doom 1 skybox
hazy sorrel
what do you mean darkest
analog pollen
doppler is the best
unique trellis
I love this
patent spade
thats stupid i love it
deep pulsar
it gets even better
wraith beacon
unique trellis
That's some nice animation
deep pulsar
I wish I could animate like that
neat hare
nice
patent spade
sick youve come a long way bong boss
unique trellis
IK + curve editing?
wraith beacon
Nah just IK and standard dope sheet stuff, Andrew did do some tweaks to the anim though when it was implemented.
The clip at the start is the raw anim though.
deep pulsar
ahhhh, I see
I'm just a noob when it comes to this stuff
I keyframe everything by hand
unique trellis
For animation, just keep at it. You'll develop a good sense of weight the more you animate
deep pulsar
heh
unique trellis
There was a game I was working on with cats with guns that had some really nice reload animations (It was 2D tho) Lemmie find it
Well, nice for pixelshit
deep pulsar
cats!
unique trellis
Blood custom map ๐
There's tons but this is one in finishing up... I am now able to post again in here ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
deep pulsar
just going to record something real quick
unique trellis
This is a remastered Blood project from late 90s called Bloodlines... It was released and done with but now we are revisiting it last couple years... The Out of the Grave Edition ๐ค should have the updated beta out next couple of weeks? Then it's just finishing maps as we have time
Old one was incompatible with Blood Plasma Pak really, so that's been biggest hassle... Finally got help getting a script written to fix that and now back on track!
I'm hyped for anything Blood-related!
Oh friend good things just released in 2020...
Trauma Therapy
Fleshed Out
Eviction (best of bunch)
coarse token
agh I really love Blood, but I don't know if I can bring myself to play through any of it again
cultists be like "Caecux infirimux!" and then you're dead
unique trellis
Going back to it after almost 2 playthroughs of Dusk has made me a better Bloodite ๐
coarse token
blood is defenitley like 10 * harder than dusk, mathematically that is not an exaggeration tbh
idk what you gained from dusk
unique trellis
Modern mappers for most part really get how to build around strengths and weaknesses of blood enemies... I think there's major improvements bc of it
deep pulsar
aight, that took a while to encode into an adequate size
good thing I've got nitro :P
unique trellis
And now you can add new enemies ๐
deep pulsar
just showing some anim stuff from the mod in its current state
coarse token
I think blood is probably the most unique "retro-fps" style experience I've ever had, something I think I want to try replicating in my games
unique trellis
This is hype.
coarse token
Since it's so fucking hard, when things get going and you get into the groove and are really slaying shit, there is no better adrenaline rush in video single player videogames
unique trellis
Custom weapons https://youtu.be/pucfZoQGqtg
Now custom weapons, 4.0 is dosbox only, 3.5 is BloodGDX and NBlood compatible...
Another guy, who actually made Blood 2 Extra Crispy, the ONLY way to play that nightmare, came out and is making a game balancing mod for Blood Fresh Supply.... I don't have link
Oh I have link.haha....
https://www.moddb.com/mods/blood-extra-crispy/downloads/blood-extra-crispy-open-beta-v08
So lots of awesome New Blood stuff!
With both the custom weapons mod, and the Voxel enemies mod, Blood modding is coming it's way.
coarse token
can they mod it so that the cultists are not only not annoying but also still difficult to deal with
deep pulsar
honestly, kinda satisfied with my amateurish modeling/animation work
it adds to the charm
weak cargo
aight, that took a while to encode into an adequate size
tfw this server is max level
oh nvm
it was
goddamn cheapskates takin their boosts
unique trellis
Oh a vid!
keen bear
did a little "software rendering" exercise in unity today
entire thing is basically an emulation of how an early 90's arcade board would render shit
and because of the way its done, the game is literally a single gameobject
misty sparrow
whats with that white pixel on the right
keen bear
like thats scrolling with the bg?
misty sparrow
OH
keen bear
its just part of the bg tiles
misty sparrow
i had to fullscreen
coarse token
bro you could hide the game in other games
keen bear
yes i could!
coarse token
send your friend a bigger project and then the "gameObject" is just like a random object somewhere
keen bear
i could make the game playable inside of any unity game
in world, too, i could render it to like an in-world gameboy or some shit
coarse token
I reckon that's how it works in other titles too, like DOOM running in DOOM Eternal
maybe not the single gameobject thing but whatever
keen bear
lmao
thats just a fun bonus
theres a lot i could do to improve it, but this was mostly just learning how games without gpu's worked lol
id love to make my own dedicated hardware for a game
so this gives me an idea of what it needs to be able to do
coarse token
games within games
weak cargo
ez
keen bear
ofc a VAST majority of that is just unity garbage
unique trellis
Unity can be so bloaty at times.
keen bear
definitely
but im not gonna complain about 15mb
even though in reality this needs magnitudes less than that
unique trellis
Since game dev is allowed here, here's an actual level from the Cat Game I showed earlier. Didn't get further than a 5 level concept beta before I got bored of making it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyFFaRsMo4A
unique trellis
I found there was issues with dodging bullets in a platformer that doesn't make for an interesting combat loop. Might be me, though.
It runs really well tho, only uses about 90 MB of RAM max ATM, and runs at a solid 60 FPS Even with dozens of enemies pathfinding to you. Lag is from recording.
untold niche
wip starting area of a map I'm making
unique trellis
Those slopes look pretty interesting
midnight crow
doom guy's gonna do some cardio
those stairs look like quite a workout
spawn some demons and mancs once he reaches the top to push him down 
make him go all the way up again
unique trellis
@untold niche that's pretty cool. Keep it up!
brittle yew
I wrote an article about my experience modding with NewDark for System Shock 2. The Dark Engine was modular to begin with, but the community has taken it to new heights over the last few years:
https://rosodudemods.wordpress.com/2020/04/27/devblog-3-system-shock-2-modding-with-newdark/
outer eagle
Oooooo
unique trellis
Cursed aiming in GoldenEye
brittle yew
Ha, very cool. What tools are you using to edit GE?
neat hare
i don't think the aiming is the only thing that's cursed about this
unique trellis
GoldenEye setup editor @brittle yew
brittle yew
What's possible with it? Just new assets, or new scripts, AI behaviors?
I'm actually more curious about Perfect Dark modding, if I'm being honest. But I figure they're related
unique trellis
New maps, new music, full model replacement, ability to edit any text, and a in-game scripting system
Perfect Dark can be edited with it, but it's an actual nightmare
unique trellis
Biggest problems stem from not everything being documented + strict address location writing compared to GE
If you write too far, the game will basically break
There's also a GE patch that lets you edit memory addresses in real-time, which lets you do much more stuff in the GE engine like streamed music or custom enemy attack routines like melee attacks
brittle yew
that's awesome
unique trellis
There's a lot of limitations to the engine though. Map collision is very primitive for example, and the weapons have to be manually Z buffered by hand since they ignore it
Making maps isn't as easy as Doom or quake either. Since you need to manually optimize and make the lighting for maps. Anyway, getting off-topic.
unique trellis
Is the webM corrupt?
deep pulsar
no, it uploads fine in other servers
gusty flame
should be able to, if you're a rat
unique trellis
Weird
deep pulsar
I just get a generic "upload failed"
gusty flame
def weird
gusty flame
Hmm, definitely weird
unique trellis
The red screen effect is too harsh IMO
gusty flame
I mean, the character is, but the player isn't
Most screen effects people dislike make logical sense
deep pulsar
heh
unique trellis
Another gamedev post (since I presume this is allowed here?) But I've been turning the character I animated into a little game. Only have a walk/turn cycle ATM for the 2 days I've been making it.
near mortar
My question is why does she look so upset
unique trellis
Puzzle platformer where you'll be too scared to hurt the enemies
So you unintentionally hurt them by other actions
crystal kraken
some CC, you might want a little grey/white bg during dev, helps you have a better idea of speed, and you might want to draw a circle w/ a diameter line on the middle so you have a better idea of how fast the walk cycle should be compared to how fast your character is, so it doesn't look like it's sliding around