when did you start modding btw?
#general-modding
patent spade
low thicket
i started in like, 2017 but i didn't really start putting my content out online until 2019
probably because i stopped working in 2018 on mods
unique trellis
Adding any new weapons for TMSS remaster?
patent spade
perhaps
low thicket
and then i got back into it in late 2018
patent spade
im gonna look at your fucking code and theres nothing you can do about it
funny thing is i have no coding expirience before tmss
patent spade
B) stealing code is cool
low thicket
lol it's ok
unique trellis
Learning from other people code's is even cooler
patent spade
yeah
unique trellis
That is where the real deal is
low thicket
my earliest mods i never released are just reskinned realm 667 weapons
patent spade
lol
low thicket
until i started getting better at programming
patent spade
every time i "steal" code i always credit and i try to learn from it so i dont need to steal it again
low thicket
and spriting
patent spade
i fucking love spriting and animating
unique trellis
I suck at sprinting much like anything drawing related, but I do not mind spending hours coding
patent spade
yeah something about coding in doom is great
low thicket
i've done a lot of spriting and animating at this point, i've gotten a lot better at it in the last few months
unique trellis
Animating I like, I can do some edits on sprites but I cannot draw from scratch
I would share a cool animation I did for a plasma rifle but it is for a not yet released project so I cannot post here
patent spade
i actually photoshop guns in high res and make em look cool but then i downscale and redraw over them
low thicket
i do a bit of rotoscoping
patent spade
rotoscoping???
low thicket
render a premade model in blender and draw over it
low thicket
i made my first 3d gun model recently but it looks like a model you'd see in max payne 1
and it only has one bone
patent spade
lol better than anything i can prolly model
low thicket
i usually use models from games and then put it in blender
position it on a camera
and then screenshot and compress it
then draw over it
as an example
the new revolver sprites for naku-naru v1.2
patent spade
looks really good
unique trellis
That is some smooth animation I say
This is the only modeling I have done (the tentacles in the center)
low thicket
i use a mix of programs
i use firealpaca to draw and danimator to animate
patent spade
holy shit you actually use danimator too?
low thicket
then i convert it into a gif and cut every frame
i stopped using offsets it prints since i kept having issues with naku-naru and overlaying sprites
patent spade
i actually still use offsets for certain weapons cause it makes them look really fucking nice
like the new A_OffsetOverlay is so cool
low thicket
the only weapon in naku-naru that still uses offsets is the rocket launcher
which is because it hasn't been changed at all
since 1.0
low thicket
honestly it's just because it works so well
i was planning on making it function identically and giving it some new sprites
unique trellis
Offset is cool, but I do agree in some situations it does weird stuff. Do not remember exactly which situation I ran into that caused those issues right now
low thicket
but i can't find a model of a carl-gustaf anywhere
patent spade
it did a lot of weird stuff in TMSS for example
and a lot of my up and coming doom mod ClusterGun is going to use a lot of offsets
maybe
unique trellis
I worked on a flame thrower that has an alt-fire where player throws the gas canister so that he can shoot it with the SG side arm.
The project had to be Zandronum compatible so I had to code and animate everything using A_GunFlash for the SG raise fire and deselect
That was not fun
patent spade
ew A_gunflash
unique trellis
It was a lot of writing down how many frames the two guns would take for each step and sync them
Very doable though I must say
and luckily if you A_Offset the main gun it also offsets the GunFlash
Which makes sense
low thicket
i thought about resurrecting an old mod i made and making it actually fun to play
remember the rad pack?
patent spade
oh yeah its great
theres one specific gun that inspired me to make TMSS can you guess which one?
unique trellis
I bet it was the Q2 railgun
patent spade
it was actually the rad pack sawed off shotgun.... the way it just spun you was fucking hilarious
oh and whilst im at it i might as well drop an early version of Clustergun https://we.tl/t-6tLPZZJnjI
steal code, look at it, steal sprites idc enjoy the mess whilst it lasts
patent spade
been a really long time since i booted this bad boy
eternal nacelle
🚮
patent spade
still really proud of that main menu
wraith beacon
Fake reflections.
eternal nacelle
wow I'm reporting your fake relfections
faint thistle
@eternal nacelle you better fucking not.
eternal nacelle
its too late
faint thistle
😠
wraith beacon
I should fix this.
near mortar
Ghost graves
wraith beacon
It's fixed now
unique trellis
LMAO holy shit the air-strike hammer is amazing @patent spade
patent spade
Ty prolly one of my favourite weapons I've ever made
unique trellis
patent spade
first thing on the list to remaster ofcourse....The HEXAGUN...either im gonna scrap it or imma redo it, what is for certain is that i'll be redoing the reload animation for the hexagun and ill prolly just make a new gun that makes more sense in line of the reload...or idk ill do something crazy
but first course of action...since i forgot to back up EVERYTHING that i had made such as the TMSS source code. im going to have to get a bunch of sprites back
wraith beacon
Aw frick I deleted the destructible class by accident.
Welp I learned that I need source control the hard way.
Good work Hatsu you really did a good job today.
patent spade
He do quicc progress
faint thistle
@wraith beacon time to make a GitHub/gitlab account.
hazy sorrel
so we can steal code and use it to create own stuff
faint thistle
Private repo :p
keen bear
uhhhh dont do that
desert notch
the real big brain plays are setting up a repo just to push changes to it once a month
patent spade
Why not dropbox tho? @keen bear
It gets updated live realtime it's great never need to worry about losing anything
desert notch
one of the most useful parts of github is going back several revisions to a state where your code did something different than the latest changes pushed, it makes it very fast and easy to revert changes you didnt like or changes that broke multiple things
i havent used dropbox in a long time but as far as i can recall it didnt really have any tools that were like version control
wraith beacon
Uh oh Barrels.
prisma basalt
do they explode?
weak cargo
they're not red, so no
wraith beacon
They explode but like all explosive destructibles they don't do any damage by exploding.
wraith beacon
wraith beacon
Had to re place all of the destructibles
unique trellis
ZMovement with Build Engine movement update coming sometimes soon.
Just finished replicating the jumping with the view height animations https://streamable.com/zaske
low thicket
awesome
i've been wanting to make a mod with build engine movement for a while
is this mod closed-source or are you allowing people to use the source code here?
unique trellis
It is ZScript
I cannot hide anything
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095&p=1108403#p1108403
If you wanna look at staff in it I suggest you to wait for 1.3, other than Build Engine movement it will have significant simplification and improvements on some of the movement modes
It will be out tomorrow I think
Functionally everything will be the same but under the hood it will do with less lines of code
And less variables
unique trellis
@wraith beacon breddy cool
patent spade
yes
wraith beacon
Just added society to Type to Reload
hazy sorrel
David Jokersky
novel lichen
Ok hear me out
Hideous Destructor style health and movement mechanics for Human Fall Flat
You fall 10ft? Well guess what sonny jim, you just broke a bone, better get someone to set it back in place so you can wait several real life months for that to heal
hazy sorrel
Or you can just use beserker pack to instantly heal it out
Or soulsphere so you just pop stimpack in and youre fine after 30 seconds
unique trellis
@long jetty I think Blender made itself more complex.
Minigun barrel is coming along nicely BTW
desert notch
in my opinion blender has only made itself simpler since the release of the new UI and 2.8
nocturne pine
have the same opinion
just did a tutorial on modeling a ice cream cone
and its suprisingly easy
I just can't animate on 2.8
Cause my textures on my arm rig and my gun are fucked
patent spade
they simplified blender? took them fucking long enough
long jetty
camera
wraith beacon
Blender Internal and Blender Game were removed so if your materials were set up on those then yeah they'll be hecked.
olive dove
Me here
Was told that I should use Source if I make a Half-Life fan game. I think that's dumb, since I would probably want to redo all the assets and maybe the physics. I would like a better renderer for sure and I would have a heck of a time getting source to do everything I want it to do
Was also told that the reason I think source (a 15 year old engine) is dated is because I don't use it
I have a lot of respect for the source modding community, but I hate the idea that source is the one true game engine and all others must bow before it
wraith beacon
Yeah don't use Source.
hazy sorrel
Yeeeehaw
wraith beacon
Too expensive, working environment ain't too great and it doesn't have a very good renderer by today's standards.
olive dove
IK
I tried to explain to the modding community why having intermediary formats are bad and was laughed at.
wraith beacon
Boomers.
olive dove
They were like "Dude it's just another click lol"
hazy sorrel
Zoomers
olive dove
A few extra clicks and a few extra seconds add up over time, it's really sub-optimal.
I was thinking about making my fan game in Urho3D. It's model format (Which uses the .MDL file extension but is not related to Source or Quake MDLs) has a very easy to use exporter
Select some options once, click export, done
If I need to change some things, just press export once and done
No need for middleware
wraith beacon
BSP died for a reason™
olive dove
Yeah, I like how the old BSP mapping software worked, but BSP itself is quite limiting.
wraith beacon
I personally can't stand Quake ed and derivatives, Doom editors though are fine.
Static mesh level design is just nicer IMO.
olive dove
Funny enough I prefer it, at least when using Trenchbroom
That's made to be easy though so not sure it counts
What I'm probably going to do is work on a plugin for Blender to make it a bit more level editor-like. Just quality of life things really. Gonna check to make sure that doesn't already exist though
long jetty
after much indecision on body type, i made progress on the other half of the chaingun
olive dove
Dude, you got better
long jetty
thanks man
unique trellis
Neat!
long jetty
still can't uv map tho
olive dove
Did I ever actually send you the plasma gun?
olive dove
THat's fine lol
long jetty
also what's that program you use for texturing
olive dove
Blender
long jetty
really?
olive dove
Yes
long jetty
you make the textures in blender itself?
olive dove
Yep
olive dove
Sometimes I make a few extra things in Substance Designer or Gimp and paint that onto the model trhough Blender, but I don't think I did that for the plasma
long jetty
oh
wraith beacon
Nah the game ain't launching this year.
keen bear
ah darn
olive dove
Here's a render of the plasma, mostly just because I like this texture.
unique trellis
👍
olive dove
Thinking about throwing the image in Gimp and painting the highlights to be brighter
wraith beacon
Maybe I'll drop a demo this year?
hazy sorrel
is this Doom Remake 5 teaser
olive dove
I'm now being told it is a waste of time to make a game and not base it on an existing game. That's probably true if you have released a game previously and it's similar enough to your current one
But, that's not the case for every game
long jetty
chaingun model is nearing completion
now i'm just wondering if i should have six barrel openings instead of one
faint thistle
I personally have always liked the one but you have to have the front plate be disconnected from the barrels.
long jetty
yeah...
idk what i want to do with the barrels itself cause i will eventually have them spin
but without the front spinning it may look weird
faint thistle
brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt
long jetty
now to give myself a break since i made two models today and i'm actually going to use one in something eventually
unique trellis
That is superb, dude.
I love miniguns.
Love to see it used in Dusk when fully textured and rigged.
wraith beacon
I think I made the Bayou too green.
crystal kraken
all you need are these subtle foam ripples around the submerged objects and I'm sold (that is water right)
wraith beacon
Yeah it's water
tired warren
I have an important but kinda unusual question about modding
Does anyone know if it's against Steam's workshop guidelines for modders to depict 3D printed guns? Not using the actual files for their mod of course, but making a weapon that's obviously visually based on a printed gun.
I know 3D printed guns are illegal in some places now so it made me wonder if fictional depictions of them would count too. I'd imagine Steam might wanna play it safe there.
crystal kraken
Porn, inappropriate or offensive content, warez or leaked content or anything else not safe for work
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wasn't this changed a while back?
I guess the takeaway from this is that it's probably not but you'll have a hard time knowing what bans your or not 🤷
tired warren
Yeah I wasn't able to find anything in Steam's rules against depictions of 3D printed guns, but I haven't seen any 3D printed guns on the workshop of any game I've checked.
I'm still new to Blender so as practice modeling weapons I made a 3D model of the Defcad Liberator pistol because it's small and simple. (I just based my model off pictures and not the actual print files of course.)
crystal kraken
I guess guns are illegal in just as many places as 3d guns are
tired warren
Yeah
But 3D printed guns are unique because in places where they're banned, the 3D models are generally banned too.
So that raises the question of if it's okay to have a fictionalized non-functional 3D model of them.
crystal kraken
I don't think models based off of pictures of 3d printed guns are printable
tired warren
Yeah exactly.
crystal kraken
so the actionability of your models is outta the question
tired warren
It'd be about as functional as if you printed any other gun from the workshop.
tired warren
I still need to fix the texture
I'm still learning that part
Also I'll probably give the barrel an actual inside instead of just leaving it as a solid cylinder.
I try to make all of my mod weapons unique in some way, so one idea I'm considering with this weapon is to make the entire gun the magazine (since the Liberator is supposed to be a single-use disposable gun) so when you press the reload key your character just throws away the entire gun and pulls out another one.
crystal kraken
duckgame had a pistol like that, it made for the best freaking duels
it was dangerous, but you always knew you could try and bait a shot to get the upper hand, but failing to dodge means you'd get shot in the face
also you may want to "bevel" (???) some of these faces to get a little closer to how the liberator looks
tired warren
Yeah that's fair. This was literally my first attempt at making a model from scratch and it's extremely simple.
crystal kraken
we gotta start from somewhere, just some constructive feedback
tired warren
I'll definitely make the grip look smoother
I've been considering making the hammer and barrel blue, to give the model a bit more visual variety. Right now it looks a bit too plain just being totally white.
crystal kraken
and me, I'm going to bed. glhf
tired warren
Night bro.
wraith beacon
Fancy new bridges
outer eagle
Sick
unique trellis
unique trellis
@wraith beacon you should include more variations of the grave stone
Looks awesome though! (^u^)
unique trellis
I'd love to learn make some retro-styled weapons for Dusk sometime after mod support arrives, but I'd have to learn the ropes to do so.
Specifically Blender.
tired warren
Yeah I've been learning Blender alongside making weapon mods for Maximum Action
Blender is really awesome once you've got the hang of it
unique trellis
One day, I could get my hands on it.
boreal imp
i see a liberator, the instrument of the boogaloo
still jasper
Can't wait for dusk sdk so i can make spaghetti western weapons
tired warren
ye
wraith beacon
Landmines
near mortar
You don't explode and die when you step on a landmine
you just take a nap
you go "ehm" and take a quick nap
tired warren
Hideo Kojima once met with the developers of Goldeneye and suggested that at the end of the game they show a scene with James Bond visiting the enemy soldiers in the hospital, showing that they were all not dead but just injured
near mortar
I don't think Kojima has an aversion to showing the fact that characters have to kill people, that seems more like a Ryuta Ueda thing
tired warren
True, though I think it would be a very Kojima thing to show all of the enemies you've shot at the end of the game, with injuries on the body parts you shot them in
olive dove
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD
I just thought of a thing
I doubt I'm the first to think of it
But a Dusk mod for Quake
sweet frost
what about a dusk mod for quake 1.5
running inside a computer within DUSK via some hypothetical mod for unity that lets you play doom within 3d environments
so dusk dude can, infact, find time to play with himself
wait. im a fool. quake 1.5 isnt a doom mod. my brain is bad
unique trellis
No, how bout Duskane Dimensions?
unique trellis
unique trellis
That's an amazing-looking map.
bitter cape
Lol wrong channel, but that's a good map
Just posted something that didn't belong here
unique trellis
ZMovement 1.3 out. Added Build Engine style movement, bobbing, and jump landing viewheight animation
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095
@low thicket feel free to use any part of the code you want, if you have any question DM me
low thicket
awesome man, i'll be sure to check it out
unique trellis
All the actual code is in ZScript/ZMovePlayer.ZMV.
Being ZScript and no ACS everything is open source
tired warren
sharp vortex
oh yeah I started doing more work on my garry's mod theater
gonna be 8 of these in different colors
and this, but the lights are a bit... weird atm
tired warren
nice
unique trellis
Twitter
lone arrow
So if I was brand new to Doom modding, would the best place to start be just working through a tutorial like this? Also, are there any inclusive discords specifically for Doom modding?
http://www.lofibucket.com/articles/modding_doom.html
unique trellis
The best place where to start is this
https://zdoom.org/wiki/Main_Page
and opening up mods you like in SLADE
To see how things you like are done
lone arrow
Thank you!
viscid sandal
hazy sorrel
i'll wait for first episode
unique trellis
I wrote an haiku
Roses are red
Quake is Brown
This game is P U R P L E
(best color)
Movement looks fun i am lookin forward to it
Will you be able to crouchslide?
viscid sandal
@unique trellis No, but the game does have quake 1 style bunny hopping which you can chain together with the unreal style dashing to both get up to speed faster and constantly push the speed cap and you can get unreasonably fast.
unique trellis
Hoppity hop
viscid sandal
It does require some skill to pull off consistently. You can just as easily competely screw your momentum over if you time it poorly.
outer eagle
Nice
unique trellis
In ZMovement I forbid accumulating speed with wall jumping in hop hop movement modes cause it could have been too op.
Maybe I should reconsider
viscid sandal
🤔
unique trellis
long jetty
anybody else here use blender 2.8? i'm trying to uv map a model for texturing and the unwrap is coming out weird
patent spade
good luck
long jetty
it looks like that bottom one when i actually do the unwrap
long jetty
i did ctrl a to select all of it but didn't know you could scale it as well
i'll try that
wraith beacon
Tuba Thursday
grim kernel
@long jetty are you using smart uv wrap?
long jetty
i don't think so, no
hazy sorrel
is this quake format or general?
untold niche
Quake 1
hazy sorrel
k thx
neat hare
hazy sorrel
have to start with own one
untold niche
What killed the dinosaurs
hazy sorrel
when i finish that doom map
untold niche
The ice age
unique trellis
nice snow effect!
what .wad textures are you using?
Theres a Dusk wad btw
Don't know if I'm allowed to give it out
oh really is it free to download
or were you given special permission?
I think a couple of people have it
Got mine of 500
You can prolly ask him if you can get it when he's online
should I DM him for it?
that's what I did
tranquil oracle
I don't see any problem with giving it out
Just make sure that you make it clear that it's not "final"
unique trellis
Don't worry bro I just add NOTFINAL_V2(1) - copy to the end of the filename
tranquil oracle
lmao
unique trellis
Oh and zombie don't overwork urself bro
faint thistle
I throw devs a pizza party, yes?
unique trellis
TL;DR Ion Fury hopping weapon sprites bob animation and improved code
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095&p=1108403#p1108403
mad lad at it again
I wield the most OP of super powers
Spawns rainbow from hands
TOO MUCH FREE TIME
Pushing things out as quickly as I can before summer is over
wraith beacon
@misty sparrow welcome back friend
robust ridge
I've completely forgot =P
@brazen pendant Are you still interested on testing the 4 maps i've did on sept 4th?
i was suppose to share it earlier, but not only I forgot, I was also stopped mapping for a bit.
slender knoll
first time I saw that it just said programmers
or coders cant remember
works for IT in general most of the time
wraith beacon
New Revolver
faint thistle
near mortar
Chunky revolver
faint thistle
I like it!
wraith beacon
Right now they're a revolver, Grenade launching Tuba and Shotgun.
unique trellis
The Tuba
tired warren
doot
wraith beacon
Doot.... Kaboom
unique trellis
I can't believe Hatsu stole the tuba weapon from Ducky 2
near mortar
Noobtuba
toxic hemlock
grenade launching tuba?
unique trellis
Heh
wraith beacon
New sounds.
brazen copper
lol that shotgun at the end
wraith beacon
@brittle tide new clickers as well.
unique trellis
That jump
long jetty
now that's a gun
topaz breach
tuba tuesday strikes again
outer eagle
Hmm?
ionic atlas
every day is tuba tuesday
outer eagle
Now I'm concerned
ionic atlas
wait it's actually tuesday today
i legit didnt realize
i might just do a tuba mod for a game each tuesday
outer eagle
Fucking I would fund that
Doesn't matter the genre or the year it was made in
One random game each week
Mod in a tuba one way or another
outer eagle
💦
topaz breach
tuba mod for dusk the tuesday after sdk drops
near mortar
How the hell did you mod Max Payne 3
I thought that game was so stank that you couldn't really mod it
misty sparrow
If there’s a will there’s a way
drowsy escarp
I think there are mods for it
eternal nacelle
yup
unique trellis
ZMovement 1.3.2
No big changes, 2 bugfixes and included 4 separate txt files (one per each of the movement modes) for modders to use in their stuff
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095
patent spade
wip animation
tired warren
neat
patent spade
uh this one loops... so you bois can get a better look at it. please tell me if you like it or not, or if you think anything can be improved upon
faint thistle
Why does the hand multiply?
patent spade
uh yeah. theres gonna be more then two hands
tired warren
lore
hazy sorrel
oh no, another crappy meme wad
patent spade
nice people dont know what this is apperently
eternal nacelle
no no konrad you don't understand its crappy meme mod v2
Even crappier than before!
astral night
terry bad
rocky stone
rigid sorrel
r u o k
unique trellis
Sometime in the future HUH HUH HUH https://streamable.com/vf4l5
long jetty
you should have multiple sound options for jumping so you can use ranger's HUH or duskdude's HUP
unique trellis
Did it in the past, got tired of maintaining it while making the mod patches
I can make separata pk3 for people to decide which one they wanna load
faint thistle
SO HECKIN ADORABLE
unique trellis
Just finished implementing Quake 3 Strafejumping.
Q1 air control will be coded in the next days.
https://streamable.com/bk2s0
dire gorge
Hey does anyone know where I could find goldeneye 64 models?
grim kernel
unique trellis
Is this photo taken in Maximum Action? Looks amazing.
unique trellis
I see.
grim kernel
wraith beacon
New weapons
unique trellis
he pew he shoot but most importantly he has to type to reload
near mortar
He has a thirst for justice, and a thirst for blood
Only violence is the answer to what pains him
wraith beacon
Decided to make it so you can walk off ledges, sure it was one checkbox but the game isn't really built around it so um.
viscid sandal
wraith beacon
We did it gamers, enemies now reload
wraith beacon
I've also added more bugs I mean um, features
brazen copper
🙏
wraith beacon
Not yet
unique trellis
bruh make it happen
wraith beacon
The Canyon's been expanded
unique trellis
But will the cactus shoot 1000 needles?
unique trellis
Strafejumping, CPMA included https://youtu.be/V84Sv33dM84
viscid sandal
@unique trellis voice actor is janna polzin
unique trellis
I did not know anything about her before you said her name
unique trellis
hazy sorrel
looks at viscerafest framerate and imagines how it would perform on gzdoom at +300 fps
unique trellis
GZDoom performace is pretty bad
To be honest
Cause they added all the post processing junk after 1.9.6
unique trellis
Actually yes, cause it's the only Doom port which allows to rewrite vanilla doom player movement functions
I could grab 1.9.6 and rewrite the player code in C though
Which I am considering
hazy sorrel
wut
unique trellis
I tried the new ZMovement patch with SmoothDoom and Traiblazer.
So far in SmoothDoom, I can't seem to change the view bobbing types. In Trailblazer, I can't even move unless I start bunnyhopping, and when I stop doing so, I slide on the ground as if it were ice.
Otherwise, still a nice mod.
heh
Reset to default values
Waitit happened to me too I wonder what that is about
@unique trellis I fixed the issue thank you for the report
viscid sandal
@hazy sorrel for starters its running in unity meaning the framerate is massively docked, outside of unity I've had my framerate doubled at times, secondly we're still optimizing, alot of what you're seeing is pretty newly implimented and we haven't gotten to scraping off the crap bogging down preformance yet, and even so it still runs pretty well standalone as I said.
hazy sorrel
viscid sandal
Heh?
I should clarify when I say "running in unity", I mean the game is being processed in our working viewport.
hazy sorrel
you're taking things too seriously
restive tusk
Awesreek that video you posted looks really cool
spare spire
yo, could anyone tell me if it's.possible to make a batch file for doom 3 starting the game with a custom map and a mod ?
i'm looking at console argument right now, but i don't know if it's like crysis or, more closely, modern warfare where you can an fs set game command.
i gave up looking for organic map loaders, so i might as well make batch files.
harsh bough
the modding tools for this game have not been released yet right?
i wanted to have a look at the maps in trenchbroom, is that possible yet?
brazen copper
I assume youre talking about Dusk. If so, no they have not been released yet.
harsh bough
thats unfortunate. there is no other way of having a look at the maps other than playing the game i assume?
tranquil oracle
Even when the SDK is out, you won't be able to look at the main game's maps in TrenchBroom (because they weren't made with it)
TrenchBroom is purely custom map territory
I've experimented with porting them over to .map files so they're readable in TrenchBroom and other Quake editors, but for various technical reasons it's unlikely to happen
If there's enough demand though, we could probably put together something to allow you to edit those maps within some kind of "skeleton" Unity project
harsh bough
im just interested in general map design and wanted to look at how things were done in dusk. the games maps feel super nice and well thought out. lots to learn from it for sure. ty for the info though.
tranquil oracle
If you only wanted to take a look at layouts and such, you could disable AI through the console and fly around with noclip or something once the SDK drops
long jetty
i have but one question about the sdk
tranquil oracle
inb4 when
long jetty
will there be support for beam weapons?
tranquil oracle
You could definitely do that through scripting
long jetty
i intend to make the gluon gun and several other weapons for dusk at some point that are beam-based
tranquil oracle
The source code'll also be public so that's an option too, if for whatever reason the scripting support we offer isn't enough
long jetty
alright
figured i'd ask since projectiles and hitscan weapons seem like a given but i wasn't sure about anything else
unique trellis
I'd love it if there was support for burning weapons.
If there were to be Blood's Flare Gun and Napalm Cannon for example, I bet that would be possible.
long jetty
well burning is in the game already
you can light enemies on fire
it's just a matter of how you can translate it into the weapon
and don't worry, i will be making a napalm cannon and other fire-based weapons
next weapon may be the doom chainsaw or the duke 3D shotgun
can't decide yet
unique trellis
Take your time.
spare spire
well, i did my researches, so a poor sod looking to play maps in doom 3 will know you can use an console variable as startup parameter
now i need to know how far i can go, so i can load perfected doom 3 and custom maps.
maybe do that with rtcw too.
wait.
people have been doing this since quake.
😂 🔫
hurray, only took me 20 years to get what people did since 1996
unique trellis
Perhaps this is a dumb question but I've been out of the loop; is the Dusk SDK out yet lmao
prisma basalt
nah
you will know. dave will scream it at the top of a mountain using every social media platform available to him
tranquil oracle
Yeah, it'll be a very loud announcement
unique trellis
Fair enough
unique trellis
Happy every time zombie posts a message cus that mean's he's taking a break from working
tranquil oracle
lmao
unique trellis
bruh you better be getting your 8 hours of sleep
outer eagle
Rip
patent spade
alright as stupid as this might seem i need opinions on this.
ok
eyepatch or no patch
faint thistle
Depends.
One is a chonkster.
One is a pupper being raised to kill men with a knife attached to its back.
patent spade
mmmm alrite gotcha
i got one more
he's a store clerk btw thats as much as im willing to say without to much info
also open to ideas for a store clerk dog lookin thing
somber void
when sdk
patent spade
bruh
somber void
gibe
patent spade
no
somber void
😦
unique trellis
Scientific proof human kind can indeed achieve beauty
patent spade
lol
eternal nacelle
This does not belong here
patent spade
alright i think ive chosen a design. he might have expressions idk
this may look like a super easy edit but the amount of things ive edited and manipulated is insane
7 layers + some adjustments to make it work in a lower resolution and maybe like a bunch of expressions
marble crypt
This is for some kind of mod?
patent spade
yes
marble crypt
Ah gotcha
patent spade
whaddya think? good or bad?
patent spade
not really
wraith beacon
Level designing.
analog pollen
needs 3 more keycards
wraith beacon
Eh that's just Blender's random object colouring.
spring carbon
I mean the keycards
wraith beacon
Oh
spring carbon
If they are not colored in the colors of the three primary colors your game will become literally unplayable; I don't make the rules bud
hazy sorrel
it needs more hitscanners
coarse token
no hitscanners.
please
swapping = true;
Invoke("swappingFalse", 0.42f); //okay the actual animation time is 0.567 seconds because I keep forgetting animation time is out of 60 and not 100.
//THAT SAID, THOUGH... Imagine if you could fire before the animation finished? Spending less time not doing badass stuff, and more time shooting?
you can get away with more cool stuff when you're indie
unique trellis
Don't ever put hitscanning enemies in your game
analog pollen
hitscanning enemies itself isnt a bad thing, it's how you use them that matters
analog pollen
i hate that you cant put parameters on an invoke
tranquil oracle
If it took an Action or Func<T> you could, using captures
btw I'd recommend doing Invoke(nameof(swappingFalse)) instead of putting a string literal there, since that way if you use your IDE to rename the function you don't have to go back and change the string
you could implement it with something like uh
Coroutine InvokeDelegate(Action action, float time)
{
return StartCoroutine(InvokeRoutine());
IEnumerator InvokeRoutine()
{
yield return new WaitForSeconds(time);
action();
}
}
then you could do InvokeDelegate(swappingFalse, .42f), and if you wanted to call a function that takes parameters:
InvokeDelegate(() => Method(0, 2, 4), .42f)
analog pollen
that's smart, and i am not
tranquil oracle
lmao
faint thistle
when dusk vr haha lol
unique trellis
coarse token
unity in general relies a fair amount more than I'd like on strings a lot of times
animator.play(, Invoke(, etc
tags
etc
tranquil oracle
Most of those ones make sense for the most part
coarse token
I'd prefer integers
tranquil oracle
It's just when dealing with stuff like functions that it feels really off
Raw integers would be very odd, I'd go with an enum
which you can sorta still do
coarse token
fair enough but simple number simple life to me
tranquil oracle
enum AnimatorState
{
Run,
Die,
Walk
}```I have to relearn enumerators every time I use them lol
tranquil oracle
then you could do animator.Play(nameof(AnimatorState.Run))
tranquil oracle
shit font
patent spade
I'll just stick to doing doom mods and doing decorate
hazy sorrel
maybe youll make a good one
wraith beacon
Meanwhile
patent spade
ive been struggling trying to make an npc just talk. nothing wrong with the code...i have no idea what it could be and ive been at it for 3 FUCKING HOURS
hazy sorrel
r u sure you have proper map format
patent spade
udmf yes
wraith beacon
Barn
The uvs are still hecked but I'll fix them and the actual geometry eventually.
unique trellis
The H Barn
wraith beacon
Split into multiple meshes incase I need to hide or show different ones.
wraith beacon
near mortar
It's looking like a gam_ now
fading trench
unique trellis
old picture
eternal nacelle
🤢
unique trellis
says the guy with Baka in his name
faint thistle
Steev.
unique trellis
both of you be quiet you have anime profile pictures
brazen copper
Reminder: you're a weeb if you've ever posted in #529092878560133140
unique trellis
(T_T) that hurts
hazy sorrel
hah, ive never posted in #529092878560133140
brazen copper
wrong
hazy sorrel
nani
brazen copper
hazy sorrel
oh i just checked
brazen copper
also, this is the wrong channel for calling out weebs.
hazy sorrel
just gimmie a moment, gotta commit hara kiri
spring carbon
no, you mean seppuku
hara kiri is for people who still have some honor left in them
unique trellis
Lately, I've been seeing how I could potentially replace the sounds of Dusk's weapons and seeing what fits best.
I think most of these sounds I was messing with would fit with the weapons.
Like this, for example:
tired warren
outer eagle
Good mod, got a update more recently
unique trellis
Love it, too!
I know there is D4T, but that's entirely different.
Doom 4 Vanilla is legit.
outer eagle
Aye yea they both set out to do different things with a DOOM 4 flavour
tired warren
spring carbon
The good brutal doom
hazy sorrel
theres no such thing as good brutal doom
unique trellis
there is more poison in that type of coke than in normal coke
long jetty
shut up zoomer
spring carbon
d r i m k
long jetty
no zoom zoom zoomies
spring carbon
zooming is for scopes
inland patrol
prisma basalt
nothing. its a fun mod and you should play doom how you want.
it just annoys doom purists and those familiar with the creator's history.
coarse token
Brutal DOOM and pure doom are two totally different games and should be treated as such.
Some areas are incredibly easy in stock doom but incredibly hard in Brutal DOOM, and that holds true the other way around. I've played Plutonia on both stock and brutal and the experiences are completely different
spring carbon
Brutal DOOM is fine, it's just a meme hating on it at this point, the creator has made something great with it, but the creator himself is a pedantic piece of shit
So, separate art from the artist, I say
prisma basalt
point illustrated perfectly lol
spring carbon
Thanccs
prisma basalt
to you both
spring carbon
Yeah, Vyt's right too
toxic hemlock
brutal doom's still bad on its own merits tho
hazy sorrel
its bleh
unique trellis
I personally don't care about the gameplay itself, my complaints are related to the fact that it is a bug ridden fest with a lot of poor coding, and a lot of people look at it thinking there is something to learn from it and keep perpetuating the same poor decisions
hazy sorrel
you cannot complain about code
because some of the code is borrowed from other wads
unique trellis
The code that is borrowed is fine
hazy sorrel
(not really if you dont credit it)
unique trellis
Borrowing code and not crediting is not cool of course
hazy sorrel
not leaving the credit is one of the sgtmark4 features
wraith beacon
New Blood Kart
nimble socket
big john car when
wraith beacon
Soon™
spring carbon
It is worthy!
limber bramble
that is incredible
humble herald
What is this?
brazen copper
a thing hatsu made
humble herald
does it have a name?
brazen copper
"New Blood Kart"
viscid sandal
https://twitter.com/Awesreek/status/1172756392404557824 https://twitter.com/Awesreek/status/1172743685559259136
unique trellis
@viscid sandal unity build when tho
unique trellis
On no she bored
hazy sorrel
not accurate
unique trellis
@viscid sandal movement looks a lot of fun.
Would it bother you if I add a movement mode in ZMovement inspired by what I see in the videos you have been posting
grim kernel
Viscerafest hype
viscid sandal
@unique trellis. Not at all go ahead, momentum is gained by forward jumping, strafing slows the player down, but the player can use the mouse to turn without losing momentum, and pressing shift + wasd allows the player to dash.
unique trellis
Sweet
I already know how to do that.
Do you use a dot product between vectors to slow player down when strafing?
Sounds like the opposite of Quake
viscid sandal
Um... well for one I'm not the one who built the system a bud is working with me on the game, but secondly this is running in unity.
So not really sure vectors are a factor
analog pollen
mind if i ask why strafing is slower? is it to encourage a sort of zig-zagging movement instead of circle strafing?
misty sparrow
If that’s the case I kinda like that
analog pollen
it's certainly interesting, can't say if it's a good or bad idea without playing the game though
unique trellis
I see
viscid sandal
@analog pollen the intent was to encourage bunny hopping more than strafe jumping. It also means more skill is required to pull it off in the heat of combat, and making a fun skill based movement system is what we were aiming to do. You can also chain it together with dashing to get up to speed faster and push the speed cap.
You'll also be able to tweak some of how it works in the options menu, you can swap it between holding/tapping spacebar, the major difference being your speed cap will be smaller if you change it to holding since it doesn't require as much skill to pull off, as timing your jumps with tapping requires a bit of effort.
analog pollen
sounds interesting
unique trellis
Viscerafest take one https://streamable.com/drx1w
unique trellis
I just overimposed the airdash on quake as of right now.
I have not written the custom ViscerafestAirMove() yet
viscid sandal
Yeah, was just mentioning because I'd forgot to say it earlier.
unique trellis
One question though: can you change directional inputs in mid air?
To make myself clearer, if you hop in Painkiller from the moment you leave the ground till you land again you can only move in the direction relative to player that you were pressing on ground (if you were pressing forward on ground you will only move forward in the air)
But can freely change direction with mouse
viscid sandal
You can move in the air just as easily as you can grounded. If I'm pressing W when I jump whilst in midair I can press S and will start going backwards, and turning with the mouse has the same level of freedom.
unique trellis
Nice
I assume it has a mediun strength directional inputs.
Is there some kind of air friction after an air dash? Like you speed up but then your speed goes back down to a predetermined cap?
viscid sandal
Momentum carries over, but yes you don't retain the entire burst of speed.
viscid sandal
Np
viscid sandal
gloomy totem
if i could mod dusk i'd definitely mod the rats to glow green, and the wheeze would be replaced with "oh hey civvie!"
spring carbon
evil
gloomy totem
their death cry would be "this is politically motivated violence"
viscid sandal
wraith beacon
Trying to get driving to feel good
unique trellis
He drift
I'm thinking like you could have "forward" momentum and then make it harder to turn the bigger it is
rn it looks like it's just add movement towards the current forward
That you say is a natural consequence of friction and the output values of the directional inputs
If the value of the inputs does not scale up the more speed increases it should be like that
topaz breach
Yeah it needs to be a bit stiffer
And generally speaking yeah the faster you're going the more it should take to turn
desert monolith
outer eagle
So weird seeing demo pulling out a hitscan weapon
Let alone a silenced one
Like spy watches are the invisibility power up
vestal parcel
Just finished my Goldeneye 007 - Facility Map on Red Hot Vengence
Now im going to try making it on Maximum Action
olive dove
Parallax is annoyingly hard just because of these very minor issues. https://twitter.com/Goldthumb8/status/1173236245851529218
wraith beacon
Slight rework of the Leatherneck, changed the chainsaw to look less Phallic and also made the colours a bit duller and more cohesive.
slender knoll
yyyea still looks pretty phallic
wraith beacon
Does removing the blood help or should I just double down on things looking phallic?
slender knoll
I think if you could make it thinner it wouldnt appear that phallic
I mean the "blade" seems way too wide to be a chainsaw
wraith beacon
Better?
slender knoll
yea I think that's alot less phallic
ofc if you can pull off "double down on phallic" I bet it would be cool as well
unique trellis
I think if you added a red square and a small handle where the blade joins the kart it would make it clearer it is a chainsaw
slender knoll
sounds worth trying
you aint gonna know it's a chainsaw unless you recognize the driver is a leatherneck
unique trellis
Top coolness would be if he drove with one hand only cause the other is flinging the chainsaw around
rigid sorrel
I love this btw
wraith beacon
Hack of the century
This is going to be what makes the AI and technically player not able to strafe, it's pretty nasty but it works.
grim kernel
add strafe jumping
unique trellis
Now your speed decreases after the airdash until it is a bit faster than the speed you had before executing the dash
https://streamable.com/rqi9w
coarse token
@tranquil oracle Yo remember how you mentioned unity's reliance on strings was really annoying?
I just had to reanimate a weapon because I renamed the prefab and all the animation controller parts didn't match anymore so it wouldn't work.
Too bad Unity's devs never fixed it.
viscid sandal
@unique trellis noice
topaz breach
the chainsaw needs an actually rotating chain methinks @wraith beacon
wraith beacon
AI progreess
hazy sorrel
it dosent move
wraith beacon
Exactly
hazy sorrel
sound of progress
grim kernel
i love h game
long jetty
where's the O shaped enemies with winchester rifles in type to reload
wraith beacon
Mars
unique trellis
type to reload takes place on mars?
wraith beacon
Nah.
long jetty
a mars western sounds pretty nice ngl
misty sparrow
Isn’t technomancer a Mars western sorta?
wraith beacon
I'll admit that I'm kinda focusing on New Blood Kart as a quick break/side project from TTR.
unique trellis
wrom rwom
wraith beacon
And right now I'm still trying to get the car physics to feel right.
long jetty
it's good to take breaks from a main project every now and then
one suggestion for nbkart though
can you stick a spinning axe of the black labyrinth on the champion's kart
unique trellis
@viscid sandal hey sorry if I bother.
What are the rules for executing a second air dash after doing one?
Do you have a cooler like xx amount of tics have to pass before you can do a second air dash or is it like QC clutch where if you air dash you can only air dash a second time after you stop hopping (being on ground but not pressing the jump button)?
viscid sandal
There is no limit to air dashing except that you cant air dash whilst you are already in the middle of a dash. @unique trellis
And its np
unique trellis
I see, i am gonna make it so that if Air Dash speed surpasses the speed cap it rapidly decays back to the top speed
viscid sandal
Makes sense
unique trellis
I even added a thing where the speed decays starts a few tics after you gain the dash speed boost
Feels more satisfying
tranquil oracle
good stuff
unique trellis
Thank you!
wraith beacon
We did it gamers, the game now has some kind of gameplay maybe.
tranquil oracle
cartdog when
coarse token
cartdog before or after SDK?
wraith beacon
Nah Type to Reload is still happening it's just it's delayed by New Blood Kart
I don't know when New Blood Kart's going to be launching, I only started dev a few days ago.
grim kernel
new blood kart releasing november 14
tranquil oracle
cartdog before or after SDK?
https://twitter.com/TheNewBloods/status/1166220138871263232
grim kernel
looks good to me. ship it
wraith beacon
Kartdog might be a reskin of Leatherneck though.
tranquil oracle
So what would the Amid Evil-themed kart be?
wraith beacon
IDK I'll ask Leon when he's awake.
Also me redoing the Leatherneck asset is kinda likely because the rigging is pretty poop.
tranquil oracle
authentic to the real models 😏
wraith beacon
Heh.
tranquil oracle
if you want an idea of what the skeletons for the dusk enemies look like
wraith beacon
I guess but I just kinda want everything to have a shared rig if possible.
tranquil oracle
imagine the bone structure of the humans from Wall-E
wraith beacon
Because I like reusing assets
grim kernel
at least dusk's enemies have skeletons
keen bear
Lol
grim kernel
next time we'll morph animate them ok? for the authentic quake wibbly vertex experience
viscid sandal
@unique trellis noice
unique trellis
slender knoll
@wraith beacon you better deliver Dusk Kart
unique trellis
I hope Dusk's unused content will be easily accessible in the SDK
wraith beacon
It's New Blood Kart, not DUSK Kart, and yeah I do plan on finishing it don't worry.
tranquil oracle
I hope Dusk's unused content will be easily accessible in the SDK
This has been confirmed previously
grim kernel
watch yourself soon dave will become executive producer
hazy sorrel
And he ll turn this into shitty twisted metal
slender knoll
yea cant get around it. that thicc chainsaw blade looks like a dick
even more so on that thumbnail
looking good on that mp4 :D
wraith beacon
ai deving.
unique trellis
why the screenshake tho
wraith beacon
Screenshake happens whenever something crashes, the ai kept crashing.
wraith beacon
Yes that is the plan.
unique trellis
You should make the screenshake only happen within a certain radius of the crash
wraith beacon
It is it's just the radius is hecked
unique trellis
Oh no!
wraith beacon
Okay I fixed the problem
unique trellis
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear
NEW BLOOD CULTIST EARTHSHAKING KART
Glad it's fixed
analog pollen
working on a new enemy https://youtu.be/x91F36FMGVw
analog pollen
a whole lot of small details that add up
unique trellis
I was being ironic
Of course they feel powerful
The entire world shakes when you fire them
analog pollen
screenshake is fun as long as it doesn't get in the way
analog pollen
doesnt show in this clip but the "skybox" is actually a bunch of screens, has a little CRT buzz if you touch them
analog pollen
yup
hazy sorrel
i still want to know whats the secret of coin
analog pollen
what secret
eternal nacelle
you shoot the coin
analog pollen
nearest weakpoint, which is usually the head, but will target a charging projectile if available to cause that to explode instead
analog pollen
coins increase the damage of your bullet and you can use them to shoot around corners
unique trellis
That is actually a cool idea
Maybe after i am done with ZMovement i will make it for GZDoom
analog pollen
it's a nice balance of being stupid, cool and actually somewhat useful
unique trellis
Balance does not matter when you have to make something that cool
Slap a cooler on it
coarse token
Guess who made a bat
Not me!
But it's for my game still, so I figured I'd post it here
wraith beacon
spring carbon
hey, do you know what you could do with the chainsay?
I think you could make it big at the base of it and make it smaller and smaller as it goes, just like the leatherneck's chainsaw
maybe that'll make it look a bit less phallic?
olive dove
Self-shadowed parallax mapping
wraith beacon
The AI is still big stoopid but now they attack I guess.
wraith beacon
Soon I will.
eternal nacelle
hatsu will this have online multiplayer
wraith beacon
Maybe.
unique trellis
ZMovement but it's better and with an airdash.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095
@viscid sandal I have not added yet a Viscerafest air movement but I will do it for the next version.
Right now I just added the airdash and improved the code base in preparation for the next (final) version.
unique trellis
That gun is brutal
hazy sorrel
that's some schut
viscid sandal
thank ya
olive dove
I have no idea what I just made
The topology is total ass, will probably remake once I figure out what it even is
unique trellis
spooky
unique trellis
You ever just make a spooky box
tired warren
2 spoopy
sharp vortex
messing with vertex precision?
unique trellis
Where I learned about it I think they called it vertex distortion
sharp vortex
where did you learn it if I might ask?
I looked into a it a few times but couldn't quite understand how to get it working
unique trellis
I mean right now I'm just modifying the mesh, I'm pretty sure you're actually supposed to use a shader or something
olive dove
@sharp vortex You're interested in vertices moving around randomly or do you want it to be based on some factor?
If you want a PSX effect
I have made those before
Not too hard, and there are plenty of existing shaders that do that online
My shader is really only different because it is a surface shader
unique trellis
ive been thinking about starting a retrostyle project for fun too but im wondering if the weapons in these games are made using animations or just moved around in code
analog pollen
at first i was moving them around in code but i switched to animations because it's much easier to make good feeling animations when animating by hand instead of through code
doing it through code is a good quick way of doing placeholders though
unique trellis
u know if amid/dusk does in code?
could you do a gun like in your video in just code?
would i have to like split it into 4 different meshes then lol
analog pollen
you can rig models in blender or whatever you want to use and then move the bones through code but at that point you'd get much better results with much less work by just having an animation with 2 keyframes in it or something
i dont know about amid or dusk but i'd wager they're at least partially hand animated
you can do anything in code but unless it's really simple like just moving a thing from one position to another it's much, much quicker and easier to animate it in animation software
and considering how important good feel is, you'd probably want to animate
unique trellis
looked your old videos did you just use static meshes and rotate them in code etc?
analog pollen
yup
with the revolver originally it was just that when you shot with it, it would snap to a predestined recoil position and then slowly move back to its original position
unique trellis
well if its possible would give it a try lol
i mean possible like if i wouldnt feel stupid later and have to switch to animating anyway
analog pollen
of course it's possible, but there's a reason i switched to proper animation, something really simple like that doesnt feel nearly as good
either way it's real quick to do so no harm done either way
hazy sorrel
if i were to make animations for fps
first person
then need to be meaty
otherwise i would felt unsatisfied
analog pollen
yeah, and impactful animation is much more complicated to do in code than just with a couple extra keyframes