general-modding

[molten prism]

does anyone know how to use keys in quake TB?

[misty sparrow]

just gonna say this

google your problem before you go bugging others

youll get a lot done a lot faster than waiting here for a reply

[molten prism]

ive been googling a lot of stuff as i go

including what i ask here, and it isnt always blatantly in ya face as an answer

[misty sparrow]

hey i mean if you cant find an answer, then yeah asking never hurts

[molten prism]

i dont mean to be rude or annoying but dumptruck doesnt always have what i need and trenchbroom stuff isnt plentiful in many places

[molten prism]

i think im gonna do a rework of the texturing in my map then im gonna let people play a preprealpha version of it bc i desperately need feedback and inspiration

[outer eagle]

Be happy to

[molten prism]

yeah i should have a working version like soon (and by soon i dont mean a couple weeks i mean prolly today) but rn there are a lot of texture issues and embarrassments i need to iron out haha

i made these railings just now im not sure if they add anything, keep or no keep?

maybe even more rounded railing in a later version idk

ok anyone who wants to test my pretty bad pretty early map, just ask me or dm me for the .map file or .bsp file, the .map file is for TB and the bsp is for quake/quakespasm

idk if it will work if you dont have atleast quake or quakespasm set up

[misty sparrow]

If you want to upload it here I'm not gonna jump your case about it

Or is it over 5mbs?

[molten prism]

ill check

.map is 140kb and .bsp is 740kb

its a very small very early map

with very little consideration to lighting its not gonna be huge mang

but ill upload it here if anyone wants to critique anything about it (like lighting, textures, architecture etc)

take this if ya wanna steal my "work"

(try shooting any obnoxious bright textures if you're stuck as well btw forgot to mention that important thing)

[golden bloom]

Best way to understand these things is to find maps to study. Most releases come with a .map source file to poke around.

[unique trellis]

Oh we uploading maps?! Here is a Duke3d map I made when I was a teen! It's pretty fun

I made it in 3 weeks for a 3dfx Voodoo competition, the Plutonium Pak for Duke had come out recently so I used a lot of those textures and enemies

I was like 15?

[viscid sandal]

c1l4 remake wip

[wraith beacon]

Lookin neat.

[viscid sandal]

thanks

[molten prism]

i've still made barely any progress on my map and it doesnt look nearly as good as that map

why am i so shit?

[viscid sandal]

How long have you been doing it for

[nimble socket]

Looks pretty good, though my only critique is that the scene could do with more contrast of colours, but its only a very subject nitpick.

[viscid sandal]

it is still very early but one thing that will end up happening is all the colored key doors will be lit with their respective colors which will add a bit more variety

[molten prism]

well my map has had me work on it for tiny bits over a couple weeks, but i only REALLY put in any work yesterday

[viscid sandal]

I meant mapping over all

[molten prism]

besides this map ive made only one even smaller map, that took like 30 mins of work prolly

[viscid sandal]

Well thats your reason why, I've been working on levels for about roughly 1 and 1/2 to 2 years now

just takes time and practice

[molten prism]

D:

how do i make my map actually fun?

ive just been adding stuff without much regard to aesthetic bc i would assume that would be later

[prisma basalt]

its all about layout and flow

visuals isnt that huge of a deal

[molten prism]

okie dokie ill try that :/

[prisma basalt]

have a look at popular quake maps to see what i mean (blood run, longest yard, ect)

[weak cargo]

he's making sp maps

but generally the same applies

[molten prism]

okie dokie ill do that once my map is actually a level, instead of just a couple rooms with hidden things

oh and i cant seem to find how to use the silver and gold keys

i think theres some entity property to make something require a key

but i dont know where or what its called

[nimble socket]

Line of sight breakers and making an interesting arena is something to think about.

Its all about the flow of movement or gameplay options, it depends on the genre.

[molten prism]

hopefully targeting a targetname from a key makes the key open the targetname hahaha end me

[golden bloom]

honestly, play more quake. like a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/user/darrenweekes/videos

watch some of these as well.

[nimble socket]

if able, put in some enemies and test out different layouts until you get something where enemies are fun to fight in, mobility and level hazards can add a lot to a map.

[molten prism]

also, are keys one time use or am i using them wrong

[golden bloom]

one time use in quake

[molten prism]

cheers muk

crap

maybe ill make the door stay open for a very very long time

also muk i heard you know how to TB? 😃

[untold niche]

Also water shouldn't be at floor level

[nimble socket]

Level design is all about itteration.

[untold niche]

And that railing should have the same thickness all the way

Also the pace should change

Like Dusk E2M3 starts slow, goes into this big ass fight and then becomes slower again

[molten prism]

well yeah the water wad only made at floor level bc i thought it needed to be, thats easily changed

i dont even know the pace of my map since iveplayed it so many times

ok i think i fixed the water level issue, now just putting in little steps so you can get out smoothly

[untold niche]

Neat

[molten prism]

ok i made some small changes by adding some steps at the water bit, should i release the current ver>

?*

pretty much nothing else has changed of note, and the railing are not changed bc i dont know how to make nice looking railings

my level needs more verticality thats for sure, and some detailing, pillars and arches will comesoon after hopefully

[untold niche]

The problem with the railing is that the part I drew over is at an angle when it should be perpendicular to the ground

[molten prism]

so that particular spot needs to be at 180 degree angle?

thats gonna be a pain, gonna have to chop up some brushes haha but yeah ill get to it asap

[untold niche]

No you can just use the edge tool

[molten prism]

so the third pillar top, is slanted, and i use the edge tool to make it flat at the top?

actually thats number 4s bottom, how the hell do i even do that

maybe lessen the angle in total then bring the middle pieces down, making it more curved?

is this what you mean?

im gonna go back to finding out how keys work

it IS a F***ING spawnflag!

[untold niche]

Instead of doing something like this

It should be more like this

[molten prism]

how about, you send me the map file you edited, i open it in another TB window, so i can copy THAT over to mine?

i think thats possible

also that room looks nice

if you dont want me to have direct access to your map file thats ok ill find a way to do it myself if necessary

[untold niche]

Oh I didn't like save anything from those screenshots

[molten prism]

rip me

[untold niche]

Look at the stuff highlighted in red

[molten prism]

ok im gonna make a trigger brush to indicate a key is needed for a door, and then ill release and ask if the water stairs are too obnoxious or smth

and then ill fix rails

but rn the rails are not symmetrical or anything

[untold niche]

Why not?

[molten prism]

bc im editing different things at the moment

and i found some more things that arent smooth enough

so gotta change those as well

ok the railings will need a lot of work, so they come after this, but imma release the new bsp and tell me what you think of the water steps

hopefully this has the changes (except rails for now)

[molten prism]

i like that pink lighting

[viscid sandal]

Yeah for some reason that shade of acid pink has basically been made the games overdroning color

[molten prism]

its a good light colour imo, but tbh i do like oversaturated vibrant lighting

[viscid sandal]

Yeah, tbh it wasn't even something I started out doing consciously until people pointed out how colorful the game was.

[molten prism]

is that a game you made from scratch?

[viscid sandal]

Yes

[molten prism]

what engine?

[viscid sandal]

Well currently its in blender but because thats a piece of trash me and a friend are popping it over into unity

[molten prism]

nice it looks like a buildengine game except, happier i guess

[viscid sandal]

There are some breakable props and a one liner spitting protagonist

[molten prism]

im still stuck with terrible lighting, terrible modeling, unfun mechanics and no interesting movement or verticality in my map

and i cant move on to make anything interesting bc i always find a problem that needs fixing before hand

[viscid sandal]

Heh you should've seen what my first map looked like

Especially because my texturing skills used to be trash

[molten prism]

i tried to make my map dimly lit, with red to make it kind of miserable and spoopy but it just looks boring or overlit

i dont know how to make good, pleasing light thats also dim

[viscid sandal]

Yeah lightong sucks

[molten prism]

maybe if i could preview my map before i compile it, that would help

[viscid sandal]

Its very easy to make a flat looking scene and if the lightings wrong it butchers any visual pleasantness

Also like all the color in my maps is from the lighting

🤢

[golden bloom]

i pretty much mapped on and off for 10+ years before i released anything 👀

[molten prism]

why does it look like the fov is high and the player is tiny from that view?

[golden bloom]

played with hammer a lot

[viscid sandal]

Well 1 this is a large area and 2 the fov is 130

[golden bloom]

https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/?filtered=muk

[molten prism]

that explains it oh ok

[viscid sandal]

I play doom 2016 with an fov of 180 in arcade mode

[golden bloom]

this isnt all of my stuff but heres a decent chunk. quaddicted hasnt been updated for a couple months

[viscid sandal]

Because the campaign has a bug where every checkpoint resets your console set fov

@golden bloom noice

Pretty sure I

oops

pretty sure I've played a good chunk of your stuff

[molten prism]

im not happy with pretty much any of my textures

but i dont know what to change them to

and how lighting will affect what they look like

[golden bloom]

gotta study more

one of the things i did when i started out was to find maps i liked, and then made a wad out of that specific map using TexMex

texmex can open bsps and pull the textures out

[molten prism]

i wish i had whatever the fuck texmex is when maniacc gave me his map and all the textures were gone

hmmmm

anyway thats enough mapping for a weekend for me, next time imma try and have some more vertical stuff and some better lighting, otherwise ill be adding stuff to a map without having it be fun or aesthetically pleasing

[golden bloom]

https://quakewiki.org/wiki/TexMex

[weak cargo]

i pretty much mapped on and off for 10+ years before i released anything
now i feel less bad about not releasing any of my doom programming projects

now that i think of it i've only ever actually "finished" one

[molten prism]

@weak cargo i loik doom, can ya give us a squiz at ya project?

oi guess not...

[weak cargo]

just a simple hud mod for gzdoom, nothin real special

did it at first using the existing SBARINFO but that gets screwy when you want to do other mod support

[wraith beacon]

Oof, Top Right health and armour indicators.

[weak cargo]

it's (loosely) based on warframe's hud

when i first came up with the idea i still liked the game

[wraith beacon]

It's a nice hud but that kinda hurts me physically.

[molten prism]

yeah its like a 90s version of the wf hud

didnt notice that at first

[wraith beacon]

Top Left or Bottom Right are kinda the point where I draw the line with that sorta health indicator placement.

[weak cargo]

i dunno

i want things on the edge of the screen

[wraith beacon]

I'm kinda just trained to look at the bottom left though so seeing something so radical like top right is just kinda unusable for me.

That's just me though, I'd probably hate it less if I actually was using it.

[molten prism]

ive been playing warframe for ages so a hud like that would actually be perfect

[weak cargo]

i kinda wanna do more with it, like rework the keys section so it's not just ripped wholesale from the existing doom hud, and i wanna do powerup indicators kinda like how they do effects timers on wf

[molten prism]

can you make your available weapons appear like abilities do in wf under the energy bar?

like instead of having the 4 abilities in wf, in doom you'd have your weapons, like they have in dusk kinda

or is that impossible?

[weak cargo]

nah totally doable

[molten prism]

fookin do it then

reeeeeeee

[weak cargo]

NAO

[molten prism]

throws things reeeeee

[untold niche]

*Throws tendies on floor * REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[weak cargo]

here's it with factotum, the numbers only appear if you have the weapon

also inventory area since i forgot that

i did want to do something with the "powers" section of the warframe hud but couldn't figure a way to work it in

when i made it i was disappointed that people don't really think about putting ammo reserves on huds hardly at all

so i was like "FUG IT I'LL DO MY OWN WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS"

but not really

[molten prism]

um i have a problem

see if you can spot my uhhhh, problem, just try to walk past the starting area

how do i fix this? its not purposeful and i wanna make it so it has to be triggered

ok i added "health 2" and now you have to shoot it to happen

[molten prism]

i tried to use some smooth lighting on steps and it didnt work like it did with dumptruck_ds' video on easy pillars

thats with turning the steps in to func_detail s and giving them a property _phong 1

maybe phong has to be 0 bc that image looks the same as the one i took before the steps were func_details

[golden bloom]

1 enables phong shading on this model with a default _phong_angle of 89 (softens columns etc).

"_phong_angle" "n"

Enables phong shading on faces of this model with a custom angle. Adjacent faces with normals this many degrees apart (or less) will be smoothed. Consider setting "_anglescale" to "1" on lights or worldspawn to make the effect of phong shading more visible. Use the "-phongdebug" command-line flag to save the interpolated normals to the lightmap for previewing (use "r_lightmap 1" or "gl_lightmaps 1" in your engine to preview.)```

the default angle for phong is 89 meaning it will only apply the effect to brush faces less than 89.

stairs arent the proper use case of phong. its really more for things like pipes or rocks.

[unique trellis]

will this ever make it to Steme ?

wishlist emediatly

[quaint birch]

this actually looks pretty cool

[gusty cypress]

looks so much better after that engine switch 👍

[unique trellis]

but its missing some gore and rektd enemies

[viscid sandal]

@gusty cypress this is still in blender

[gusty cypress]

oh what, i thought it was ported to unity

my bad

[viscid sandal]

@unique trellis yes and humble bundle and itch.io and gog if I can get it there

The port is a wip but I'm remaking the levels for chapter 1 to improve their overall quality once they are finished they will be ported to unity

[unique trellis]

@viscid sandal "exit" yeah right I see potential monster closets...

[viscid sandal]

I don't do monster closets.

At least I haven't yet 🤔

Either way I wouldn't do it in a space that small because I'm not a sadist who wants to rob players of their joy at the last possible minute.

[weak cargo]

that'd be a sadist

[viscid sandal]

right

im tired

[weak cargo]

that's not a thing lots of people know, so it's alright

[viscid sandal]

I did know that actually so

A masochist likes torturing themselves and a sadist enjoys the pain of others

eck

[wraith beacon]

While I'm not the biggest fan of using texture swaps for rendering wounds and blood I don't want to cobble together a complicated system for this so here's just some texture swapping.

[molten prism]

how do i make my teleport_triggers have a delay? the wait and delay properties dont seem to be doing anything (maybe they're not supposed to be used here, maybe they're lighting exlcusive) and the silent spawnflag doesnt make it silent either

[molten prism]

i can change the texture of all the textures of a face at once in TB yeah?

ctrl shift doesnt do it, so what does? xd

actually nevermind, that feature doesnt let you change the properties of a texture

ok i did manage to make the start a bit more obvious, hopefully this subtle change is enough :^)

i wonder what you do? hmm

this looks awful ingame ew

[sharp vortex]

DOOT

[unique trellis]

Can you not just create a flat texture and slap it on the wall?

That's why I like BUILD so much, interior and exterior decoratin's easy

Those are all just sprites flattened on the wall.... Oh the mysteries of true3d engines 😂

[viscid sandal]

want

[dusky trench]

This is so sad can we build DUSK levels using the build engine? Lol

[unique trellis]

I have an idea (amongst many) of something like that.

This is my Dusk map for my burgeoning project though... I've shared before... Build has some good freedom but... You can't make true rooms over roomz

[wraith beacon]

I can't wait to get home and Mess around with snow physics.

[desert notch]

been experimenting more with 3d lately, ragdolls are just too fun https://puu.sh/BQ3ph.gif

the higher the quantity the more fun, scientifically proven

[pulsar gust]

Cool crowd you've got there

I've always liked games that have lots of moving parts, big crowds fits that prerequisite for me

[wraith beacon]

Making vidya games am I right?

When Dave starts looking for games to publish there's probably going to be a game dev battle royale.

[tidal fulcrum]

100 indie devs make a game

dave deletes them one by one

[wraith beacon]

Until the best game wins.

[unique trellis]

I think we know what that game is

... its big rigs over the road racing

[wraith beacon]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EYfO4znfMTQuNNWTawX21pWEUqvwnFf9 To celebrate the servers 2 year anniversary and because I want feedback, here's the Brutal Beavers prototype as of now (the title is still WIP)

[slender knoll]

downloaded. gonna give it a try later

[wraith beacon]

Just so you guys know this build is super barebones.

No menu, just the game.

[wraith beacon]

But yeah um criticism wanted.

[slender knoll]

havent gotten to it yet but will tell

[molten prism]

@unique trellis well i can prolly find a plain red texture somewhere but it was kind of easier to take a partially red texture and stretch it out a tonne

but even then i still need to fix up a few of the pieces toavoid shadows

[outer eagle]

Ain't mine but someone is making Corrupted Keep for Q3 https://youtu.be/4HAJVpnMy4E

[unique trellis]

Looks good in the layout so far. I wonder how many QC things will be recreated in Q3A.

[unique trellis]

@molten prism I was mostly interested in general in the tools and things you use.. in BUILD you'd just put a Sprite for each of the letters flattened on the wall, full bright, etc... I really need to learn TrenchBroom so I can make a Dusk map

[rustic cradle]

@wraith beacon Sweet, can't wait to try it 😉

[wraith beacon]

Any critiques of my game?

Sorry about constantly asking and such.

[slender knoll]

oh shit right. went to bed and forgot about it. I'll try it right now

[wraith beacon]

Don't worry, I just want someone to tell me what's bad about my game.

[slender knoll]

hehe this is fun. I like it how shooting in the air is part of your mobility. enemies could make some noise and the slow motion every time you jump? eeehh dont know how I feel about it. It does make maneuvering in the air easier so I can see how that might had been the point.

I do like the core of it.

[wraith beacon]

Right click or X on the controller ends bullet time.

[slender knoll]

good to know

is it supposed to be a wave shooter like devil daggers or something else?

couldn't really say where it's going

[wraith beacon]

It'll be a wave shooter thing.

[slender knoll]

nice.

It's hard to give any proper criticism tho :/ most of the things that come into mind are something that you probably havent just implemented yet.

but I do like the core of it

haha you can get to quite a speed and distance in the air due to firing speed being uncapped

good ol double finger tapping gets you somewhere :D

[wraith beacon]

Yeah that's something I need to change.

[golden bloom]

@unique trellis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gONePWocbqA&list=PLgDKRPte5Y0AZ_K_PZbWbgBAEt5xf74aE big ol pile of TB tutorials

Itll take some adjustments to get out of the sector based design philosophies but TBs a great editor

[nimble socket]

TB is amazing

Its compiler is a tad iffy though

[golden bloom]

But of a misnomer there. Whats in TB is just a frontend you use with the compilers.

But agreed. It is a bit hard to get setup the first time and could use some revamping to be more user friendly

[molten prism]

@unique trellis Dumptruck_ds is good for TB stuff, pretty easy to learn

yeah dumptruck_ds tells ya about a better compiler as well (necros' compiling gui i think its called)

[unique trellis]

Lol compiling.... I just hit SAVE now and game goes gud 😂

[untold niche]

@wraith beacon It's pretty easy to go OOB in brutal beavers

[golden bloom]

if you ever get around to Quake mapping, feel free to @ or dm me @unique trellis

[wraith beacon]

OOB?

Oh out of bounds.

[unique trellis]

@golden bloom will do. I think shortcuts on doing things will be the biggest skill to learn... Right now I draw a square room, and voila there's a room ...

But in 3d it's different

Hopefully I can poke around this weekend

Dusk is inspiring to make maps... Quake not so much. I mean the enemies and weapons mostly.

[sharp vortex]

I'm gonna try JACK for Quake mapping
I'm too used to Hammer Editor that Trenchbroom feels a bit weird

[unique trellis]

Dusk feels, like Blood, grounded in reality but springboards into the fantastic.... Quake is awesome but I'm not a big sci-fi person

For making stuff

[sharp vortex]

now THIS is familiar

anyone know the max map size for Quake?

Seems a bit... small here....

[untold niche]

Doesn't even look like there's one

Or like it's so huge it's not even something you need to consider

[sharp vortex]

huh, I did find a grid size button and doubled it, seems to be fixed

figured since goldSrc and Source has limits (being based on Quake), that it was a common theme

[untold niche]

Can't you scroll outwards?

[sharp vortex]

I mean like, look at the top right

the map is bound to a 8192 unit grid

which I found was a little odd because I swear there's ROOMS in quake triple that size

[untold niche]

Oh yeah I see that

[sharp vortex]

but I was able to increase it

[golden bloom]

max vanilla limit size is 4096 in every direction from 0 0 0

so >8k units which is pretty massive in Quake scale

you can go beyond that but youll need to change an engine cvar

sv_protocol 999

[sharp vortex]

But I'm sure source ports can do it ez right?

[golden bloom]

yeah

[sharp vortex]

then I need not worry about anything

J.A.C.K. is pretty fucking sweet btw as far as how similar it is to Hammer

[golden bloom]

its built on the open sourced Worldcraft code

[sharp vortex]

ye

[unique trellis]

Are there any good mods for quake that add more modern enemies, ghouls, etc... Dusk/Bloodesque type enemy sets?

[rare surge]

arcane dimensions if you dont already know about it

ohh wait i get what u mean

not arcane dimensions

cant think of any mods with occult/horror stuff like blood

[unique trellis]

🤔

Arcane is cool

But yeah it's not what I'd be looking fer

[rare surge]

yeah i thought you just meant new enemies

[frozen wadi]

zerstorer might be something you want

[golden bloom]

+1 for zerstorer

[olive dove]

This just keeps looking better and better!

[dusky trench]

IMO the mugshot could be polished up, since it has that whole quality dissonance going on in contrast to the weapons and map designs

[olive dove]

Same complaint, but it's fairly minor IMO

[viscid sandal]

@dusky trench I've been updating the quality of everything as I go so it will likely be addressed

[dusky trench]

[viscid sandal]

I do have a higher res version of the mugshot so I could just make animations for that

on second though maybe to high res

[wraith beacon]

I don't really think it's a resolution issue, it's more of a quality issue.

[viscid sandal]

Oh no I get that, but its also a higher quality sprite anyways

[wraith beacon]

Both of them just look kinda weird.

Especially the eyes, they're just far too big.

[viscid sandal]

She's not really human

thats intentional

she's meant to be kind of creepy

Like you can just tell something is off or that she's about to crack

[untold niche]

I dunno, the uncanny valley is kinda perturbating

[viscid sandal]

again kind of the intent

[wraith beacon]

Even if it is supposed to look unnerving the scale of the eyes just kinda ml looks a bit amateur in my opinion.

[untold niche]

Nah I was just making a perturbator reference

[viscid sandal]

eh

oh

no idea what that is

[untold niche]

Yeah honestly I think it looks fine

[wraith beacon]

Hopefully the wasn't too mean or anything.

[viscid sandal]

to each his own as i always say some people are going to like and some aren't

Just in general people seem pretty split on the games visual style so

[wraith beacon]

I do like the style but I'm not really a fan of the eyes.

That's just me though.

[viscid sandal]

yeah,

Like i said the intent was to make her look and feel a bit unnatural, and freaky.

[untold niche]

I kind of like the fact that she looks like she's on the verge of crying

[viscid sandal]

1 because she's a cannibalistic psychopath and 2 because she's the daughter of an outer god

never heard it described like that before 😄

@wraith beacon and if its worth a good laugh there are illustrations ive done of her with even bigger eyes

[eternal nacelle]

I like her design tbh. It has a nice unsettling vibe to it

[untold niche]

Please show even bigger eyes

[viscid sandal]

ive got 20 sketchbooks but ill look

[slender knoll]

daughter of an outer god

that's reason enough

[viscid sandal]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lovecraft/images/2/29/Azathoth_the_blind_idiot_god.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180305005840 nom nom

[slender knoll]

H.P. Lovecraft Chocolate Bar - Too Horrible to Comprehend

[viscid sandal]

well I haven't found it yet but I did stumble across an ancient one I did of her

back when her hair was black

[slender knoll]

haha you sure you aint breaking any disney copyrights with that smile in the drawing xD

[viscid sandal]

wait what

[slender knoll]

could be just me but I get a very disney feeling from her face there.

and that's not a bad thing it makes it feel more crooked

[viscid sandal]

Yeah I was proud as hell when i mamaged to do this one

[slender knoll]

it looks pretty damn good in my opinion :D

[viscid sandal]

Its at least... 4-5 years old at this point

[slender knoll]

bet you've made alot of progress in that time

[viscid sandal]

Well her eyes are bigger vertically in this one so it counts i guess

@slender knoll ish

[slender knoll]

👌

[molten prism]

ya know the the dusk sdk is gonna let us mod dusk? im assuming that includes skins, so does anyone know an easy to use program to make skins of objects/guns?

i might learn blender but, i prolly wont

[untold niche]

David used Krita for the textures

[molten prism]

and when the sdk is done hopefully next year the models with their textures will be out so we can customise hem???

[untold niche]

Actually

[molten prism]

D:

[untold niche]

The SDK was an ellaborate hoax

Sorry to break it to you

[molten prism]

bakada!

but srsly?

[untold niche]

Actually, I am in really bad shape financially.

I pay money to my ex-wife as part of our divorce settlement, among other bills...

I just had no choice but to make you pay for lunch the other day. I'm really sorry.

[molten prism]

ok i am super confused i just came here to ask questions about weapon skins

[golden bloom]

look into Aseprite if youre interested in any sort of "pixel" art

[molten prism]

tanks muk >.<

oh but that costs money

guess thats not an option then

[golden bloom]

if youre savvy enough, you can compile from source for free

[untold niche]

Arr ye matey

[molten prism]

compile from source for free? teach me senpai

[olive dove]

I'd assume it's probably the normal CMake then VisualStudio process.

[untold niche]

Yeah I'd like to know too

Although outside of this server

[golden bloom]

its not illegal lol

https://github.com/aseprite/aseprite

im not savvy enough so i bought it when i was gifted a steam gift card 😛

[molten prism]

i have adobe illustrator on my other computer, i may be able to use that for the majority of what i need

[olive dove]

If not, there's Krita, Gimp, And Paint. net

If you haven't tried them already that is

[molten prism]

in aseprite can you select something you've drawn and then copy and paste it>

?

[golden bloom]

of course

[outer eagle]

https://youtu.be/7-Y4vOx5jEk

Neat

Sounds better than the actual QC one

[unique trellis]

Nice. This guy should also release the other QC versions of the Q1 weapons.

[viscid sandal]

@wraith beacon still wip but this better?

[olive dove]

What you using?

[viscid sandal]

Piskel @olive dove

[olive dove]

Cool

[robust ridge]

ooh, than qc's q1 nailgun skin ported into an actual q1 is great

[unique trellis]

@viscid sandal she looks awesome

[viscid sandal]

Thanks

[slender knoll]

oh I was meaning to ask you yesterday @viscid sandal do you have a build people can test or are you keeping it for yourself atm?

I havent paid attention before too much for more than screenshots and art you posted :D

I am officially drunk

having serious trouble with english xD

[viscid sandal]

@slender knoll chapter 1 has been available since level 1 was made over a year and a half ago. Currently me and a bud are swapping engines so the current build will differ a great deal from the actual final product. Its also missing a good chunk of the soundtrack (with placeholder stuff for now) and all the levels are being remade or at least improved. Bit there is a playable build online.

[slender knoll]

nice! I got the impression that you have been working with this for some time now?

and I mean: years

[viscid sandal]

https://www.indiedb.com/games/quarantined-viscerafest https://gamejolt.com/games/QUARANTINED-Viscerafest/210823

This version has been in development for 2 1/2 years

But in total the games been being made for 7

@slender knoll been working on it since i was 12

[slender knoll]

respect

all I have to say

[viscid sandal]

Well late 11s

[slender knoll]

downloading the zip now. gonna try it tomorrow when I'm not intoxigator

[viscid sandal]

Yeah, alot of stuff is going to be different when the new updates role out in a few months, you'll notice some bugs, missing features or minor "quirks" that will be addressed in the new engine

[slender knoll]

👍 wip is wip

but I do like the style

[viscid sandal]

Thanks

[golden bloom]

have fun entering the rabbit hole of developing editor scripts to make tools for level building 😛

[slender knoll]

haha

[viscid sandal]

No i just di it all in blender

[golden bloom]

right but once you move to unity 😃

[viscid sandal]

Still made all in blender

[golden bloom]

oooh

all the levels will be made in blender icic

[viscid sandal]

And a friend is handling most of the porting

But ots mostly just importing the models and making them work in unity

[slender knoll]

if there's something that I don't like about myself is that I rarely bother to work towards things that might not have a clear "reward" in sight. What I mean is that when I was younger I was very interested in editing and creating my own vidya (I would imagine most teenagers share this) but I kinda got demoralized with it for some reason.

hobbies rarely go anywhere

because of me not bothering to get into it enough

[viscid sandal]

Its not always easy when you've internally rebooted the game 9 times

[slender knoll]

I dont even want to think what it's like to redo your work every now and then

[viscid sandal]

https://youtu.be/-CVW7DpSHoA

[slender knoll]

but then again a skill of healthy self-criticism is never bad

[viscid sandal]

Yup

[slender knoll]

would that robot limb or whatever function in the same way as the tentacles do in Darkness?

[viscid sandal]

I had no idea what i was doing when I started so as I got better and improved my old stuff got obsolete enough that i figured it'd be easier to scrap it all amd start over

@slender knoll nah just fires grenades and stuff

[slender knoll]

ahh

but is it supposed to be an extra limb kinda?

[viscid sandal]

Used to be in the current build but the addition of secondary items was so obsolete and it was faster and easier to use your guns

[slender knoll]

this quad shotgun 👌

[viscid sandal]

Basically what doomguy has in eternal

Theives!

[slender knoll]

time to sue todd

[viscid sandal]

There's still a quad shotgun

And its the best

Pal on my discord calls it the bfg of chapter 1

[slender knoll]

haha

by default you'd expect a double barrel to be enough for anything

but quad is just delicious

[viscid sandal]

https://youtu.be/R8Bg46Kmv4Y

[slender knoll]

I think you kind have to have a sense of overkill in retro fps style

[viscid sandal]

Heres an older vid with the current build that has the launcher

Yes

In some fashion

[slender knoll]

yea

as in weapons dont need to be overkill but it would be nice if they feel overkill

like you shoot a guy with double shotty on close quarters and it explodes into gibs

[viscid sandal]

Gibs are a core part of the gameplay in mine regardless of the weapon

[slender knoll]

what is wrong with my brain

[viscid sandal]

Theres a q2 style gibbing system where you can gib corpses and such and doing so drops their hearts with which eating is the only way to reclaim health

[slender knoll]

thats sweet! I remember gibbing all corpses in q2 as a kid just because you could

....might or might not have something to do with the reanimator enemies

[viscid sandal]

Hmm 🤔

[slender knoll]

I also had the same habit in first half-life. removed everything that was breakable from the levels. no clue why :D

[golden bloom]

TrenchBroom porn

[nimble socket]

dang

[prisma basalt]

lewd

[near mortar]

I have no idea what's happening but that's great

[golden bloom]

scale tool

[untold niche]

Scale tool is bae

Also shearing can be pretty wacky

[molten prism]

wait since when was there a scale tool?

and can it be used on multiple burshes/entities/whatever at once???

wish there was a scale tool

[untold niche]

You can see in the gif that it's used on multiple brushes lol

[molten prism]

oh true

i prolly needa redo all this setup in my quakedev folder with a newer version of trenchbroom right?

[untold niche]

You can just drag the updated files into your trenchbroom folder

And replace everything

[molten prism]

that is EPICLY

right fellow gamers?!

can i just move all the new TB files in to my old tb file?

like all of em? even the exe?

[untold niche]

Yes

[molten prism]

ok

cant find the scale tool

i gotta log off in a couple mins so can someone plz tell me why i dont see a scale tool >.< ?

[untold niche]

You don't see the ones on the right?

[molten prism]

nope

those last 2 i do not have

[untold niche]

Well that's a damn shame partner

[molten prism]

and i downloaded the most recent ver i could see on the website

[untold niche]

Maybe it's a build that's exclusive to the TB discord server

[molten prism]

is it past 21.1?

if so plz link me an inv to that server

i gotta go, i got lotsa work to do in the mornin

so i aints got much time to fix this by my lonesome ya see

think i found the server

[golden bloom]

https://github.com/kduske/TrenchBroom/releases

yeah just double check youve grabbed this version and you should be good to go

[molten prism]

i hve

im 100% sure

[molten prism]

thats the exact version i chose

maybe i needa relog or smth

bc i have the latest version buti do not see those 2 tools

[golden bloom]

take a screenshot of what pops up when you click this

[molten prism]

im re-re downloading and re ininstalling

[golden bloom]

should say "Build v2.1.0-RC1 Release"

[molten prism]

i can move every file over in to my old TB RC6 folder?

[golden bloom]

ive always just made a new folder and kept old versions on hand

[molten prism]

my body clock is not gonna like me staying up late for this

yeah it needed to bein a new folder

maniacc lied and sait i could just replace it xd

ok im off for now, tanks muk and byebye

[golden bloom]

my brain is jello

[untold niche]

Except it works

[wraith beacon]

Beavers now track you with their eyes.

[untold niche]

Brutal beavers definitely needs different weapons in my opinion

And the theoretical rapid fire chaingun like weapon should have like projectiles that go through dead bodies

[wraith beacon]

Yeah, weapons other than the Woodchuck or whatever I'm going to call the Thompson clone are going to happen, only like, three though.

[untold niche]

A bfg style super weapon would be funny

[wraith beacon]

What about, a weapon that's just a log that you throw.

[untold niche]

Yes

[wraith beacon]

Bouncy log, the most powerful weapon in the game.

[untold niche]

Just fills the arena with a thousand bouncy logs

Also like are you planning to have it be an endless arena game?

[wraith beacon]

Yes.

[slender knoll]

@viscid sandal is this a known issue?

I see alot of that tearing around UI and weapons

doesnt get in the way tho

[viscid sandal]

I dont see ot

It

oh i see it now

never noticed it before on my pc but I know what the issue is

@slender knoll effectively the problem is because the uv unwrap for the texture is right on the edge the texture is trying to overlap.

[slender knoll]

ahh

the weapon I have equipped in the pic had most tearing

[viscid sandal]

this is me over doing it

[slender knoll]

haha

[viscid sandal]

but like in what you have its right at the edge and because the engine tries to blend textures I think its trying to bleed over

[slender knoll]

I see

Enjoyed the first episode. cool brushwork and it instantly felt right movementwise.

also the boss 💦

got made into pancake couple of times

[viscid sandal]

Thank you! Like I said alot of things are being tweaked in both minor and drastic ways to improve the overall experience

Things like pointless long halls being shortened or made more interesting like this one in l2

Or in the case of level 3 and onward being completely remade

cant wait til I get to gut level 5 I'm almost done with 4 and I've always hated level 5

[slender knoll]

thats alot of work. Didnt think there was anything particularly wrong with the levels :D

but ofc I only went through them once.

[viscid sandal]

There's some really cheap moments, like enemies spawning behind you or being right behind doors and attacking you on sight giving you no time to react, some of the layouts could be handled in a way that guides you through them more smoothly

There is very little actually wrong with level 5 I just hate it because it doesn't feel like a level 5 in contrast to the other levels, the layout is to simple and uninteresting for its placement.

[slender knoll]

never been a fan of levels with enemies seeing you the moment it loads

[viscid sandal]

I don't think there's anything wrong with it as long as you have long enough to react

the other thing is i've added more level continuity

[slender knoll]

change of scenery isn't as harsh?

[viscid sandal]

So for example level 2 ends in an elevator

[slender knoll]

oh yeah you mean that

so if you get out of a map using an elevator it would be dumb if you started the next one from somewhere else than an elevator

or a lobby with the elevator or something

[viscid sandal]

and its now the beginnning of level 3

On top of that all the levels are being given more detail and effort as well as more variety

They still have similarities to their prior iterations, like the actual layout of level 3 is pretty similar to its prior iteration, its just that its been made to flow better and the rooms look alot different.

[slender knoll]

I see

Really liked the colors too

[viscid sandal]

Or another example this is now the room where you get the pink key in level 4

[slender knoll]

felt fresh because not many games look like that

[viscid sandal]

Still wip mind you but

[slender knoll]

ofc :D

[viscid sandal]

Yeah

[slender knoll]

I am talking about what I have seen. I have no way to know what you have in mind or what will ultimately change :D

[viscid sandal]

Yeah the pallette color wise is still the same

Except for chapters 2 and 3

Still colorful

But rather different pallettes

[slender knoll]

I checked the portal areas and if it reflects anything on what they will ultimately be, 3rd chapter will be cool

in the hub or whatever you call it where you choose your episode/chapter whatever

[viscid sandal]

Chapter 3 will be hopefully as varied as the others so really that area will only reflect the end of chapter 2 and 1 or 2 levels in chapter 3

yeah

also references

Many of them

I went a bit to crazy with decapitated heads for some reason

[slender knoll]

that the secret room in uuhhhh level 2?

[viscid sandal]

Yes

One of them

[slender knoll]

yea I was looking at the head that it looks like an imp's head or something

isn't that the map with the doom song

[viscid sandal]

Most of the maps in the current online build have doom tracks andrew did

[slender knoll]

ahh then I only recognized one or two

[viscid sandal]

But the only level that doesn't have a track done in my build yet is level 5

[slender knoll]

oh yeah loved that giving a hand secret :D

if it even was a secret

[viscid sandal]

It was

And still is

[slender knoll]

tickled my funnybone

[viscid sandal]

Quarantined: Viscerafest OST: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCrgTvcMvouaOUXz9rdSMw3my-4dGo5po

These are all of the finished tracks for chapter 1

[slender knoll]

I actually left the game playing in title screen just to listen to the song

[viscid sandal]

Yeah, markie is doing a great job

[slender knoll]

he is :)

[viscid sandal]

But yeah chapter 2 is done as well but I may just end up taking the knife to that one as well. The levels are far better in layout but visually they're about on par with old chapter 1 except for c2ls and I want everything to be on the level of c2ls

Especially since that level is nothing but references and i dont want the games best level to be just the level full of references

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[slender knoll]

HAHAHA

I'd get back to Blood this instant if hitscan didnt pain me so much

[viscid sandal]

The entire level is a mashup of cradle to grave wrong side of the tracks and that bit from dark carnival with tons of quotes from the game.

[slender knoll]

nice

but yea I totally get you when you said you dont want your best level to be only references

[viscid sandal]

Yeah.

All the levels in chapter 2 are outdoors or blend indoor and outdoor areas and c2ls was the first level i made that really work in

But yeah currently there's not a whole lot I can tell anyone about chapter 3 thats not so painfully spoilerish it ruins the surprise of the ending

[slender knoll]

haha do you get the itches on wanting to show people all the cool stuff you are working on?

[viscid sandal]

Even if chapter 2 heavily alludes to it

Oh heck yes

[slender knoll]

stay strong :D

[viscid sandal]

Ive almost spoiled it many times

I accidentally leaked the last boss for 5 seconds once

[slender knoll]

xD

[viscid sandal]

I grabbed the wrong photo

[slender knoll]

glad I rarely remember anything from spoilers

[viscid sandal]

Trust me its not something you'd forget

[slender knoll]

I'll take your word on that :D

[viscid sandal]

Mostly because the final chapter is freakong filled with references that have gamewide implications

That i cant get sued for either so 😈

[slender knoll]

[unique trellis]

I do love the Bloody references @viscid sandal

[viscid sandal]

veray

also legs

[unique trellis]

Here's some fun attempts I did the other to make a whitesh flat sky texture work with the sector visibility/Depth cue to create a thick fog.... This is in GDX which really sucks at ruining the lighting and palette of Blood a ton... Like jarringly bad.

M210 knows about it but there isn't much he can do.

[slender knoll]

oh yeah I was gonna mention about feet. always loved it that you can see your feet when you look down

[viscid sandal]

num

[slender knoll]

even tho if walking does look a bit funny from that perspective

[viscid sandal]

it makes me laugh

[slender knoll]

xD

[viscid sandal]

so it stays

[slender knoll]

word

[unique trellis]

@viscid sandal oh that's great

Never change

[viscid sandal]

I kind of imagined it like when you have the 3rd person views in older fps games, the leg sprites are their in 3rd person so why would they not be in first

[slender knoll]

cant argue with that :D

cuff me boys

[viscid sandal]

except she has no arms or head so 😛

[slender knoll]

hahaha would be fun to see a duke style play demo with cinematic camera on viscerafest :D

THAT would look silly

headless, armless protag running and killing everyone

[viscid sandal]

would be pretty easy to add them in

[dusk dove]

imagine that for dusk

just an animationless unity pill with guns spinning around it

[slender knoll]

xD

hup hup hup

[desert notch]

the joys of gamedev https://puu.sh/BSz2F.gif

[golden bloom]

niccccce

[desert notch]

not much of an artist but feelin pretty good about the low poly revolver i whipped up in a few hours too, boy is modeling hard work haha

[unique trellis]

So guys I'm pretty much @pine carbon because I am mapping in TRUE 3D now so where do I get a paycheck. I'll put off my Blood project for another 20 years and finish when I'm 57 😛

[golden bloom]

ayyyy you did it

[unique trellis]

This is my Dusk e1m1 map so far. Pretty amazing right...

Ok, that's not the goal but I thought it was funny 😃

Yep @golden bloom got some time. BTW saw you on the 3DR Discord with an official tag.. congrats

[golden bloom]

😊 thanks m8

[unique trellis]

WHERE'S JUST DIRT IN THE QUAKE TEXTURES ARGH

Man I need to read these tutorials... I hate video ones but thanks for sharing earlier, I'll watch if needed... I'm OG I like to read 😛

Like I want to make the ground all dirt and bumpy but not make a billion brushes

[slender knoll]

oh man agree on video tutorials

how are you supposed to watch it and do it at the same time compared to having it all as text and pictures on a second screen

that you can double check any moment by looking elsewhere

[unique trellis]

[slender knoll]

tried to get into blender couple of years back and the video tutorials were a major turnoff :D

[unique trellis]

so to make natural ground... I saw there's a program out there for that...? Or is better to just make that floor plot into 6 brushes and adjust them?

[slender knoll]

I remember using triangles

alot of triangles

[golden bloom]

there ARE tools but theyre old and just not worth the time

[slender knoll]

but that was in VHE

[unique trellis]

and you don't want it to be ridiculous

[golden bloom]

we typically use quads in quake

[unique trellis]

just some natural flow

[slender knoll]

well not triangles but thje surface was triangles. the brushes were ofc 3d not 2d

[golden bloom]

im practicing my large scale terrain skills at the moment

theres one guy in the community who just exports his maps as OBJ then loads em in Maya and then makes his terrain in there and then runs the terrain through a tool called obj2map and then he copy/pastes the exported .map into his map

[unique trellis]

so those are 4x4

[golden bloom]

nah just squares or "quads"/4 corners

[unique trellis]

oh ok

that makes better sense

I keep hitting keypad enter to go into 3d mode HAHAHAHA

[pine carbon]

@unique trellis heh nice work so far :)

I hate video ones but thanks for sharing earlier, I'll watch if needed... I'm OG I like to read

Yeah I'm the same

[eternal nacelle]

A mixture of both usually helps me the most

[golden bloom]

the best advice i can give is to look at map sources. seeing how other people did things is a big help.

[unique trellis]

MASTER CHIEF SKILL

[slender knoll]

haha nice!

I remember the feeling of accomplishment when I realized/learnt how to make terrain more believable

suddenly you know how to make many other things too

[unique trellis]

It'll be fun to play with. I have to finish my Blood thing but this is cool. Reduction in detailing and an increase in dimensions 😂 😂

[untold niche]

I like the mine aesthetic

[slender knoll]

I like it because it's brown

overused quake joke

[unique trellis]

I'd like to dig down in this map, since I'm unshackled with verticality and do a mineshaft of sorts...

Yeah that brown is overwhelming

Hey are there other texture packs

Like a good source

[slender knoll]

yea but really try not doing brown with default textures

[unique trellis]

For instance... Blood? 😂

[slender knoll]

shits hard xD

hexen 2?

that should work pretty well

[untold niche]

There's IK white and IK blue I guess

[unique trellis]

Wow time for bed I keep typing wrong stuff haha... There aren't many texture packs for this 20 year old game? That's weird... Is it a limitation of engine

[golden bloom]

theres quite a few honestly but we mostly just use the same ol same ol

[slender knoll]

I remember alot of people making their own but that was long ago

and it wasnt for quake so I dunno 🤷

[unique trellis]

🤔

Ok

[slender knoll]

but the good thing about quake textures is that there's a surprisingly large variety

even tho all of it is brown 😅

[unique trellis]

Is there a good repository of model items like trees, decorations out there?

FYI completely ignorant of all of this appreciate the patience

[slender knoll]

what I mean is that you get medieval castles, mosaic windows, scifi walls and monitors and all that

[untold niche]

I guess Quoth might interest you

[gusty flame]

It's just that they're rown medieval castles, brown mosaic windows, brown scifi walls and brown monitors?

[slender knoll]

as I said

even tho it's all brown

there's more colors ofc but you mostly remember brown and the blue tile walls

[unique trellis]

@untold niche oh that's good stuff

[desert notch]

first time using Unity's animation system instead of making them in blender and its quite a fun tool to mess around with https://puu.sh/BSGJh.gif

[wraith beacon]

Looks to be a neat game so far.

[wraith beacon]

Making bad video games is fun, I recommend you all try it some time.

[dusky trench]

oh I'm not brave enough to make my own game

[desert notch]

Thanks Ze ;p

I tend to find that making my own games is the most fun I have with gaming anymore lol

[gusty flame]

self-gamering

[limber bramble]

yeah, strangely I don't think I've enjoyed playing games as much since I started developing one

also your game looks cool so far, dude. looking forward to seeing more of it 👍

[desert notch]

Appreciate it Lucas :o)

[wraith beacon]

New Blood should have a game dev contest.

That'd be neat.

[desert notch]

do you mean a game jam or something like that?

[wraith beacon]

Not really a game jam.

[unique trellis]

No more like

https://media.giphy.com/media/RFIuO4XWzU8gg/giphy.gif

[near mortar]

New Blood should make an indie game maker contest where you make a short demo based on your best most creative idea for a game that you think would get super popular

and then you submit it

and then they retain full copyright over your new intellectual property and can do with it whatever they so choose

and in return you get 5 nickels, a half-eaten ham sandwich and the chance to come over to New Blood studios where you might (read also: won't) get the chance to meet Dave himself in the flesh

[wraith beacon]

Look at this wiggly boy.

Got jiggly shader animated arms.

I don't know what I'm doing I just watched too many GDC talks about shader animations.

[wraith beacon]

Yup, these are some jiggly arms.

[eternal nacelle]

wiggly jiggly

[wraith beacon]

He's doin a jig.

[unique trellis]

This has no goal, just playing around tonight with the total white sprite... pal 1 on everything else... best way to do this would be to just set the sectors lighting to pal 1.

[viscid sandal]

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[untold niche]

Is that for a powerup or something?

[viscid sandal]

Nah, its origin is tied to a mechanic that is no longer planned to be introduced in the game aside from hinting at it in a short segment. More so tied to the lore more so than anything else at this point @untold niche

[slender knoll]

creepy

[robust ridge]

Noice

[viscid sandal]

thanks

[wraith beacon]

I really want to make a raycaster for some reason.

[desert notch]

as in, shooting with raycasts?

[wraith beacon]

No, a Wolfenstein 3D sorta 2,5D rendering engine.

[unique trellis]

Yeah but raycasting is inherently flawed by design

It’s better to do polygonal 3D with a ray Casting Aesthetic

[wraith beacon]

I mean, yeah raycasting from a tilemap is flawed but it's something that I'd enjoy messing with.

[river vortex]

You could make a really weird raycasting system maybe

Like non-euclidian

Not that I would know how to do that

or if it is even possible

[wraith beacon]

If anyone has any advice for tools and such for starting this I'd appreciate it.

[pine carbon]

I made some ferns

because I wanted to make ferns :P

the normal mapping looks really good at some angles and really bad at others

also not sure whether a clump like this is more practical as a modular asset or if I should just place individual ferns for a more natural look

or whether I should make them game objects or rely on the terrain detail meshes, which would mean better optimization and higher potential quantity, but way less pretty

(should note this is just for fun and has nothing to do with Dusk or any specific game idea)

[misty sparrow]

cant wait to see these in ur new IS

[pine carbon]

also unfortunately mip mapping on them is cancer, so it's either have ferns that look like they're made out of cardboard unless you're looking at them up close and straight on, or have ferns that get all shimmer at long range. I opted for the latter.

[rare surge]

david u better not be growing le weed

[pine carbon]

420 blaze it am i right kids

[rare surge]

haha, took the words out of my mouth fellow blazer

[unique trellis]

Those feels better jump up and have monstrosities under them.

It might nice to do something outside of the evil and demonic for awhile though right?! 😂

[wraith beacon]

Looks neat David.

[pine carbon]

@unique trellis yeah I don't have any game design plans for this at all. Just went on a walk and got some source photos and am taking the opportunity to try my hand at higher fidelity assets from scratch.

[wraith beacon]

Tried sculpting David?

[pine carbon]

naw not yet.

[wraith beacon]

Sculpting is a good way to get high fidelity assets pretty easily.

Does require a bit of retopology though.

[pine carbon]

well by high fidelity I mean "people won't mistake this for Minecraft," not "polycount will retweet this" :3

[wraith beacon]

Ah okay.

[nimble socket]

Thats a really nice looking fern

[misty sparrow]

just as an fyi

davids doing stuff he finds fun atm which is a good sign about dusk ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;)

[pine carbon]

^^^

@nimble socket thank you!

[wraith beacon]

Glad you're having fun making things though David.

Keep it up.

[nimble socket]

I wanna buy that fern and keep it in my secret stash

[pine carbon]

when I showed some gamedev friends what I was doing one of them was like "you know you can just go buy stuff like this right?"

I was like "but I want to make my own ferns..."

and this is why my games will always look like macaroni art :3

[nimble socket]

I mean, Its a charming fern.

buying assets has the issue of splitting a game`s personality.

[pine carbon]

yeah

[wraith beacon]

Definitely looks a bit less like a child's macaroni art and is now in cheap Unity 4 asset pack territory, David's moving up in the world.

Hopefully that wasn't too mean

[nimble socket]

It wouldnt look out of place in a game like stalker imo

[pine carbon]

I mean, there's a point where it doesn't matter. Like, I didn't have to locally source photos. It was just a fun thing to do. If I peruse stock photos I could probably find stuff that has the same result. But at the same time I think it's really important to have that creative agency and/or problem solving in a lot of areas of gamedev

@wraith beacon It'll look better without the cheap Unity default dirt texture and lighting behind it, I promise! (hope :P)

[misty sparrow]

ep2 wouldnt have been half as good if david didnt go to abandoned buildings to take photos of

[pine carbon]

^^^ I did actually do that. A decent handful of textures from Dusk are locally sourced

[nimble socket]

It gives the game an odd charm I feel.

[pine carbon]

Yeah. Was shooting for the whole "mixture of edited photos and hand drawn" thing you see in Doom.

[misty sparrow]

cant wait for david to master the brigand oaxaca look

[nimble socket]

kek

[unique trellis]

Who doesnt like WIP SHOTS!

In BUILD, we ain't got no "light source" things, we have to handraw... The blogs that IM developers are writing talk about this, its a good article if you haven't read it!

Abandoned places.. I was JUST talking with my wife about going and visiting some ghost towns this summer

[wraith beacon]

Looking good.

[unique trellis]

I ADORE abandoned places blogs, etc... in the Midwest of US of A there are a ton of these ghost town places to visit

[unique trellis]

The Evil Dead cabin as a classic 80s horror film museum exhibit 😛

[olive dove]

Got a custom model into Quake. Wasn't hard but finding a good exporter was.

[unique trellis]

Makes it look sorta like early Half-Life in a good way.

How's the "Retropolis" going?

[olive dove]

IDK, taking a bit of a break from it. Ran into a bit of a creative block.

[desert notch]

messin around with an impact type class https://puu.sh/BXFUa.gif

[olive dove]

Cool, what engine?

[desert notch]

good ol unity

[wraith beacon]

Not sure what this is intended to be but I'm intrigued.

[desert notch]

its only intentions are to be a first person prototype

[wraith beacon]

Ah.

[olive dove]

Nice

Liking it a lot

[desert notch]

thanks :o)

[wraith beacon]

Can't wait to see where it goes.

[desert notch]

made and refined a few more animations and added input based weapon sway https://puu.sh/BYGbK.gif

[slender knoll]

lookin' good

any idea yet where you will go with this project?

[desert notch]

no not really lol

this is my first time ever utilizing the 3d aspect of unity, just wanted to see what i could do

[slender knoll]

Yea I understood from earlier messages that you are mostly trying it out

but you must have some kind of an idea what you might want to do? ofc it could have nothing to do with what you are working with now

[desert notch]

yeah I'm thinking about more ai stuff atm, like making them panic around gun shots and stuff

[slender knoll]

Scientist Hunt 2.0 xD

[wraith beacon]

If you need help with making assets I wouldn't mind helping out.

[desert notch]

that is a kind gesture ze, one day i may ping upon you

[near mortar]

Probably the first time I ever retextured anything, was going for making the USP in Payday 2 look like the MK23

I didn't make the LAM mod

Obviously

I retextured the frame/grip, the default and expert slides and the magazine, and I even bothered to generate some custom normal maps for the slides

[desert notch]

Liking it, lookin high quality

[near mortar]

Thanks

Also a shot of the default slide, which looks even more like a MK23. No suppressor.

[desert notch]

creating panic in the streets https://puu.sh/BYWic.gif

[unique trellis]

That is kind of funny... I imagine them running around sounding like muffled walruses at this point I don't know why 😂

They remind me of....

But that's because all I think about 😛

[desert notch]

haha, the arm positions are definitely on point to match that

[frozen wadi]

there's no place like home!

[viscid sandal]

I just found out how much I can abuse the living crap out of the enemy quantity in unity

I could make a freaking slaughtermap 😭

I wont

But i could

[limber bramble]

was there a hard limit on the amount of enemies in the old engine, or was it due to performance?

[viscid sandal]

preformance

more than 18 enemies heck depending on the types more than 9 and preformance would tank to below 60 fps with it traditionally running at 100

add an extra one over that and it drops to the 30s

and anything more and you'll just be watching a slide show

[limber bramble]

thats wild

[viscid sandal]

To say it sucked is an understatement

some levels would feel so sparse with enemies, or if the player progressed to fast without killing the enemies in the current area preformance would take the hit

getting 25 enemies in one level made me feel like a god

[limber bramble]

sounds like a truly hellish limitation. i wonder what specifically was making them perform so horribly

[viscid sandal]

blender is just poorly optimized

honestly though it gave birth to the one aspect everybody praises about the game, and forced me to make the most of the levels

So... I'm happy I had it initially

because without it my levels would've been trash

[desert notch]

it is fun to see a bunch of entities moving on screen at once, like another user in here said before crowds are especially pleasing to watch

[wraith beacon]

@viscid sandal You still encountering those dynamic light issues because I found a solution.

[viscid sandal]

nope we got it

[wraith beacon]

Ah okay.

Was it changing to Deferred rendering?

[viscid sandal]

basically we just broke the levels into chunks

I think we couldn't do that

[wraith beacon]

Ah alright.

[viscid sandal]

The renderer we're using is really lightweight or something I guess

But either way it works

and it makes the viewport run better to

[near mortar]

Pretty much my final pass of trying to make the USP look like a MK23, gave up on the expert slide because it's texture was too crusty to use for normal map generation. It was also coming out blue for some ungodly reason rather than black.

[unique trellis]

Bathrooms are a staple of BUILD nad in general FPS games... We don't have models for toilets so we all design them differently using a myriad of sectors and sprites... In fact one of the regulars in forums and Discords made a Toilets of Build Tumblr! 😂

[nimble socket]

toilet ambush

[unique trellis]

Darn cultists are just a bunch of jerkfaces.. no privacy

[unique trellis]

Cultists are meanie heads indeed

https://toiletsofbuild.tumblr.com

[viscid sandal]

that looks awesome

[unique trellis]

It's WIP. This whole bathroom is going to go nuts. Bathroom design is critical to an FPSes success

there better be at least one toilet with a turd in it

I thought the TP was a nice touch. My 8 year old came and said it was my dooty to add it 😂 😂 😂 😂

[viscid sandal]

Closest thing ive got is a shower block im making

[unique trellis]

@viscid sandal if you're game doesnt have toilets 4/10

[viscid sandal]

Ill put a toilet in a secret for you

[unique trellis]

😂

Ok 5.5/10 now

[viscid sandal]

@unique trellis 🤔 if I make the toilet have wings and scream running in the 90s can we make that a 10

[unique trellis]

[viscid sandal]

https://gamejolt.com/games/QUARANTINED-Viscerafest/210823/devlog/an-update-on-the-status-of-the-next-patch-as-well-as-a-glimpse-into-ysuyb8si

[hushed hull]

cheers for the update

[unique trellis]

That game looks radicool 😎

[unique trellis]

Quadrupled Vicariously

Quaintly Vernacular

Quantitated Venison

[viscid sandal]

@unique trellis thanks

Quackly vestigule

[unique trellis]

@viscid sandal in literally baking up sequel names or Loot boxes

Just send a check when the profits roll in

[viscid sandal]

Nah weve got one already 👀

And we're a lootbox free zone

[unique trellis]

Quantified Vitality ... PERFECT lootbox

I'm going to stick SO MANY loot boxes in my Blood project

Totally worth it

Daddy's gotta feed my kids somehow

[viscid sandal]

Ill just go broke i guess

At least until the 5th game 🤷

Nah im just kidding

[unique trellis]

@viscid sandal no loot boxes how can I whale in your game and be #1

[viscid sandal]

We'll do a max of two

You cant 😂

😈

[unique trellis]

That photo above is awesome. The character is really good

[viscid sandal]

Thanks

Also we wouldnt even be able to do 5 games unless the last two were prequals because azathoth wakes up and wipes out all existence in the 3rd 🙃

Because cthulu is a noisy bab

And because i refuse to make a happy ending

No matter how much i wanna

[eternal nacelle]

Everybody dies no one is happy. The end

universe goes kapoot

[viscid sandal]

All of reality is nummy

[unique trellis]

Happy endings are so overdone

[viscid sandal]

That and its a lovecraft universe

And nothing is happy there

http://lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/internet-o_rlyeh_2.jpg

[unique trellis]

Felix (who started Bloodlines basically in 98 or so) said he though a good FPS really set in Lovecraftian mythos and tropes and etc. Would be amazing.

... Which I just realizesd that I've never truly explored what "Lovecraftian" means though I've used the term.

Time to learn on this day off

[tidal fulcrum]

Mainly just fear of the unknown 🤷

[cold otter]

with lots of tentacle boys in space

[desert notch]

the most important aspect of lovecraftian horror is taxes

[near mortar]

No the most important aspect of lovecraftian horror is going to into extremely in-depth explanation regarding every minute detail about whatever career path your narrator/main protagonist has chosen

In all seriousness Lovecraftian horror is basically fear of the unknown mixed with the terror that could be brought upon by the concept of things so beyond human comprehension that they defy most or all known scientific laws and such

With a bit of existential fear in regards to humanity and how small it truly is in comparison to the universe at large

[viscid sandal]

@desert notch I've been doing it all wrong!

seriously though ma games not even close to horror anyways so

[unique trellis]

Basically along the vein of insanity or violent confusion

[unique trellis]

So.. basically what I experience every day with my wife and 4 kids is "lovecraftian" got it.

[unique trellis]

That scenario is pretty close

[near mortar]

If you intend to stay married you shouldn't go about calling your wife an eldritch abomination, but yes