It's not Dusk that lowers the bass, it's something in Unity. I have never been able to figure out what. It's very frustrating and it's been a pain to design the gunshots around it. If you listen to the raw clips they're all a lot meatier than they end up sounding in game
#general-modding
pine carbon
Also remember that a lot of gaming headsets do bass boost, so if you go overboard with it the game will sound like a mess on those headsets or on a setup with a subwoofer.
cerulean pumice
I used the raw super shotgun sample you posted here eons ago. The rest were just recorded in-game through an empty duskworld server.
Also beats audio users should know what they're in for when they buy their muddy, muddy headphones
I do agree with Unity, though
The raw pistol sample I posted was much tighter-sounding than my recording on youtube was
Unity makes sounds very slightly "muffled", too. No idea why. I thought Unity used FMOD like the older versions of ZDoom which is what I used to test with
quaint birch
here is a crappy game I made in Batch in around 10 minutes! If anybody actually finds enjoyment in this demo I may make an expanded version!
cerulean pumice
.bat 
quaint birch
I know I know
if you feel unnerved by it you can simply right click on it and click edit
then you can examine the games code
Im planning on making the full version once I gat my Hard Drive repaired!
unique trellis
sorry
misty sparrow
i wont let you disrespect my profession like that
rigid sorrel
lmao
quaint birch
also why here?
unique trellis
I meant to post that in meme factory
quaint birch
o
rigid sorrel
It happens
unique trellis
#screenshotsunday
Somethin' is a-brewin' odd at good ol' DU_K FARMS... Think there's some children in the corn out there....???
pulsar gust
Oooh, spooky...
unique trellis
wait is this a mod for Dusk?
topaz breach
it's a total conversion for blood iirc
unique trellis
oh ok
topaz breach
all the levels are based on something from pop culture from what I understand
and this one is a dusk level
unique trellis
Loosely inspired. Maybe have some dusk surprises in it... Definitely a couple grain towers
unique trellis
Yes I have such popculture inspirations as hospital... Museum... City street....
😂 😂 😂
But ya stuff crops up regularly... Like Optimus Prime and all...
pine carbon
@unique trellis so when's it available? :)
unique trellis
pine carbon
damn touche
unique trellis
I'm about to suggest we finish and tighten up episode 1 and get it out... It's mostly remastered stuff from our old beta
This is taking too long lol
viscid sandal
dusk dove
:V
unique trellis
cool
viscid sandal
tranquil oracle
ah, memories
viscid sandal
half tulip
Your game is looking good, looking forward to play this
unique trellis
Is the game going to be free?
unique trellis
D_SK Farm is getting all farm-y and stuff this weekend.... we don't have your newfangled BRUSHES in here, so its all sprite-based flattened layers and stuff... to make a ladder for the WIP silo, those square patches are made invisible and one slide smaller than the others below... gotta use tricks in a 20 year old engine 😃
cerulean pumice
Didn't Redneck Rampage have native support for ladders? I know one of the Build engine games did, but I can't remember
unique trellis
Yeah later ones did. It's not in the Blood code.... Lots of splinter BUILD versions... Eduke32 has it for sure
But it can't be used for Blood
dusky trench
perhaps
viscid sandal
@unique trellis the first chapter will be free the game as a whole will be about within the 5-10$ range
@half tulip thanks
viscid sandal
wraith beacon
Are tweaks to the movement a possibility because right now it feels really stiff.
viscid sandal
Not really no, The engines physics handling results in momentum based movement being buggy as all crap, this is basically the best I could do to make it as smooth as possible without having the player stick to walls phase through scenery and be unable to climb slopes @wraith beacon
viscid sandal
Sometimes
misty sparrow
These aren't assets ripped straight from the game are they?
tranquil oracle
don't think so
misty sparrow
Makin sure
tranquil oracle
I'm sure DWM is well aware of the "no dumping assets" rule anyways so they're probably custom
quaint onyx
this was pretty difficult to do because resetting the velocity of entities in hammer is needlessly complicated!!!
spent a few hours trying to find an AddOutput parameter that would do it and found nothing, so i decided to do a hacky fix with a bugged trigger brush that resets velocity
im curious whether it would be possible to get authentic Portal type velocity, where the entity's velocity changes based on the direction/orientation of the portal they come out of
but that would require a lot of math and me no smart
untold niche
@dusky trench Where would "he is watching" be located though
sharp vortex
I'm not sure if there's a way to backport portal's wacky technology or not.
Only thing I've seen it used in other than Portal is The Stanley Parable for pretty much all of the endless hallway and warped office gags
though people have ported it to Garry's Mod and HL2, but only the gun mechanics iirc
there's an actual brush in portal that can do all of that without having to place a portal
quaint onyx
oo what's it called @sharp vortex ? sounds interesting
and with the method i'm using i think it would be possible to account for entrance angle + velocity then convert that upon exiting the 2nd portal
just difficult to do.
it uses a trigger_push to move the player/projectile after exiting the 2nd portal and resetting velocity
it's possible to dynamically update trigger_push angles, i'm not sure about velocity but i'm sure it would be doable
sharp vortex
I can't remember, I was obsessed with trying to port it to Source SDK 2013 late last year, but gave up, and I don't map for Portal
quaint onyx
ah cool though
i think with stuff like logic_measure_movement it could be possible
it would be a pain to set up and use multiple times in a map though
i'd imagine you would have to orient/redo the settings for every new portal you make
wraith beacon
A red line turnaround for a Doom mod I'm working on.
wraith beacon
Nope, it's Pengib the explosive snowball fight.
wraith beacon
I'll make it not a bunch of redlines later. but first I've got to get it up and running in engine.
wraith beacon
Got it working in engine, first time using angle sprites.
dusk dove
‼
wraith beacon
Hopefully I can figure out how to set these sprites as the player.
robust ridge
Finally i was able to release the open alpha for Titan.
It could be better, but i think it reached a solid version for open alpha.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/titan-alphaents-doom-16-rip/downloads/titan-open-alpha
unique trellis
#ScreenshotMonday HAHAHAHA
Full weekend. Tonight really started to shape the Bridge map, inspired by the ending scene of Fulci's Zombi... but Bloodlines style 😛
In the end of the story, everything comes unraveling... everything literally is falling apart, words and worlds spinning into each other and being deleted, jagged edges and monsters roam everywhere... Caleb has to reach Prospero Publishing to finish off Dunkel before he finishes writing The Beginning of the End....
pulsar gust
Aww man, I was making a bridge map in Dusk
Sort of a mixture of Fulci's suspension bridge, L4D2's Parish drawbridge, and the bridge map in Reelism
unique trellis
I need to play around in trenchbroom
pulsar gust
Try out J.A.C.K., I found it much more flexible than Trenchbroom
unique trellis
Never heard of it.. I just looked, I might give it a whirl.
pulsar gust
The documentation is pretty comprehensive, I haven't had any problems with it in about... the 50 odd hours I've used it so far
unique trellis
I can do lots of weird and wacky stuff in BUILD... There are triggers/effects/switches in Dusk I'd assume, but at this point all we can do is architecture?
Ex... This is a rough cut of a sequence I have constructed in Blood using triggers, commands, sector types... Is this possible?
pulsar gust
IIRC you handle light through radiating entities, and for hard light (light like Doom/Build Engine's "light" sectors) there seem to be means to do it
Dave's done it in a couple maps
unique trellis
Well in true 3d you just plop a light entity right?
pulsar gust
For soft lights, yeah
wraith beacon
Sorta, depends on the rendering system and or way the light is handled in engine.
A lot of True 3D engines shit themselves when more than one light is present in a scene for example.
Cryengine 2 had this issue.
cerulean pumice
@unique trellis David does everything through doors. literally. monster spawn ins? that's a door. ghost flying by in the cutty mines? came out of a door. non-euclidean geometry in escher labs? one-sided doors, baby
unique trellis
@cerulean pumice that is fascinating to me. If the effects and such toolset is limited you work w what you got!
near mortar
I remember some snow that did footsteps was shown off however long ago and I believe Dave claimed David used doors to make that function
The guns are probably also doors
just tiny explosive doors that propel the bullets
dusk dove
explosions are actually just doors going in all directions
near mortar
The moral of the story is, use doors and you can do literally anything
unique trellis
David has mastered the lore of door
pine carbon
@cerulean pumice mostly correct. Monster spawns are only sometimes attached to doors. It depends whether the trigger needs to move into place after a button is pressed or not.
Dusk doors are just the handiest way of moving stuff around based on button states or triggers
the [REDACTED] at the end of E3M5 is attached to a slow moving door in fact!
untold niche
Jesus did you put an icon of sin style wall texture boss in dusk
Is that what you need the mortar for
unique trellis
Ok all kidding aside... Are the.... Ugh, in Blood we call them sector types, Duke3d it's sector effects.... The THINGS that make THINGS move (doors, minecarts, etc) and STUFF happen (a tree fall down and catch fire? A building get sucked into a dimensional rift? A sound effect playing when you enter a room?) Are they the same as Quake mapping? Or if I jump in to premaking Dusk maps, should I just build 3d architecture right now?
cerulean pumice
I would say get acquainted with both quake mapping tutorials and unity's own tutorials
btw you remember that TVTrope "Doom Doors"?
I hope David creates "Dusk Doors"
where everything is powered by doors
I don't think Dusk will use Quake mapping strats
Quake used its own coding system called "QuakeC" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuakeC
near mortar
If it is an icon of sin style boss fight then it'll be the only reason in the game to use the mortar over the riveter.
But there'll probably still be a way people find to get in there and use the riveter anyways
near mortar
So I just mixed the bratwurst monsters mod with droplets and droplets has custom blood color for the bratwurst ghosts
Unfortunately, it ends up looking like this
topaz breach
oh no
near mortar
Droplets (now HDoom compatible)
"Did you see the ghost? It ran through here and slimed me! It wasn't me, it was a spooky ghost!"
near mortar
I wish there was a mod to have the enemy roster from Blood in doom
untold niche
Like Zblood with only the new monsters
near mortar
"new" but yeah essentially
rare surge
would anyone here be interested in giving feedback on a doom map i made
near mortar
It looks like no one else is offering so I will if you want
astral night
Peeps probably still at work
near mortar
All the doors and secrets and such work fine. I didn't see any missing bits of texture or anything like that. Pacing was good. Lighting and overall look and feel was excellent. Ammo was limited early but enough to get by on and then racks up to a decent supply by the end, so that's good. Health was generous but dispersed rather well. Majority of secrets were well hidden but had good subtle tells. Monster placements were great and didn't feel too overwhelming nor too underwhelming to me for the sizes of the rooms.
Overall I'd say this is a really good map, only things I feel I should point out are one definitely misaligned texture and one seemingly misaligned texture.
Misaligned door texture on the door to to the final room
At least that door there looks misaligned based on the edges of the door
near mortar
I haven't dabbled in mapmaking for doom myself I'm just going off of pure player experience by the way
rare surge
i mean a pro mapmaker probably would have said theres not enough detail
near mortar
It felt fairly detailed for what you seemed to be going for to me
It's meant to be sort of like a castle-ish design right
near mortar
Those aren't exactly intricately detailed to my knowledge
rare surge
yea i guess so
near mortar
Is this all with just vanilla doom 2 textures by the way
rare surge
theres one custom texture for the skybox
everything else is vanilla
i was thinking of going back and adding some better textures once the mapset is finished
near mortar
Oh yeah I forgot about that I was gonna mention
At first I noticed the sky looked blank and then noticed the stars once I walked backwards a little
so you might add more stars to the texture or something if you can
near mortar
you could also cheese it by just having a picture of the milky way galaxy visible from a rural area or something
I dunno much about that kinda crap so that might also be a horrible idea
rare surge
it would probably end up too low res
and i try to avoid using images from other people so then i dont have to credit anyone
cos idk what is royalty free and what isnt
and its good to be on the safe side
near mortar
What's the resolution of a skybox texture in Doom?
rare surge
idk the exact numbers but its very very low
near mortar
Looking into it the size might be something like 540 pixels tall
near mortar
Ah
I figured it was probably smaller than that even but a forum post mentioned it's probably something like that
and I'm inclined to assume that guys on doom forums probably know more about that type of thing than myself
Anyways you're welcome as I didn't say that earlier when you had said thanks, and I think you're pretty good at this but it's good that you're trying to keep feedback in mind
rare surge
yea all of my previous levels ended up bad due to lack of experience
but i posted them thinking they were good because i didnt have anyone to test them
near mortar
The lighting was really good though, I noticed that right away and that's probably my favorite part of the map because it definitely adds to the theme you were going for
and it just looks really good
rare surge
thanks my dude
near mortar
No problem and keep up the good work man, you'll only get better if this map is any indication
misty sparrow
@robust ridge so ive been playing your titan mod
and i think its really good!
but i think the weapons need the idle movement
kinda like the lighting gun and gauss gun have
robust ridge
@misty sparrow They already have them, but there are locked. (found a way to made it a separate download without breaking the code, so i'm keeping that for later, as I need to tweak some animation sync)
misty sparrow
siiiiiiiiiick
other than that im lovin the mod
very nice and smooth
kinda amazing you pulled something like that off
robust ridge
I'm also, trying to improve the oldschool mode. Now it's separate by player class, instead of a cvar on mod options.
(which gives me more freedom to customize oldschool weapons. For instance, oldschool weapons are now separate weapons, instead of being merged into the regular ones.)
Thanks, it was kinda hard to do it. Specially the muzzleflashes.
So, glad you liked it.
robust ridge
Technically speaking, it's meant to be shared after the mod gets out of beta (which could take a year, who knows?)
But, i can sent the "wip idle" through pm if you want. With a fair warning, it's incomplete yet, as it's not a priority as of now
misty sparrow
Ye that'd be cool
unique trellis
The monitor on my PC went kaputz. I need to get a new one... It'll be a while though. So... Here's a shot of last thing I was working on, a truck being sucked into the nothingness spawned by the book in our Blood project... it was inspired by one in Ion Maiden, it's WIP here. I've got the lights flashing, wheels, EVERYTHING 😂
In a sector based engine this is a little more difficult than just creating a model and angling it.. everything is pretty much a "floor" here, so you have to scoot and align textures just right
near mortar
The truck is a metaphor for your monitor
cerulean pumice
oh man, i know this is probably way outside the realm of blood modding
but how sweet would it be if someone replaced all the hitscanners with projectile enemies Arcane Dimensions style?
unique trellis
@cerulean pumice it is beyond capabilities at this point, but the crazy Russian hackers making BloodGDX and weapons mod and etc. May crack that nut someday.
@near mortar you are true.
viscid sandal
unique trellis
Here's a map I made for Duke3d 22 years ago...
topaz breach
throwback thursday
unique trellis
It checks out
unique trellis
I was 14 when I made that map. 3dfx Voodoo was running a contest and I had like 3 weeks. Getting back into this stuff in January this year, I googled to see if it existed in the wild... And it did! It got a review and everything on some website for Duke maps... Pretty, pretty cool
@untold niche will check it out.. when I have a monitor again.
My first map EVER was this... Released in 93 or 94 when DEU first came out. I snazzed it up some for a joke wad for DooMworld
And I also contributed e1m1 of Doom Ressurection
cerulean pumice
that was your first wad?
in 1994?
holy shit dude
nice
oh, you went back and redid it
still looks better than anything i could make
patent spade
Fuq I always try to map but it ends up like shit :/
untold niche
the esthetics or the level design?
winged shard
doors are easy
at least in quake/source
well unless your doing fancy doors with extra SFX and stuff
robust ridge
Preparing the open beta for september...
https://youtu.be/em9VPWZvr0c
near mortar
That looks excellent
I remember quake 4 being pretty fun but I haven't seen anyone really talk about it even negatively for a long long time
wraith beacon
I can imagine having all those sprite frames would get hard to manage. Looks really cool though.
winged shard
getting back to working on dm_wgh
going to make the air vents larger
gonna post some screenshots
main changes i implemented where making it so there was more ways to get around the map
some stuff was simple such as removing some doors
other stuff was adding some new vents and such
unique trellis
is there anyone making a doom eternal mod for doom 2 ?
misty sparrow
Not that I'm aware
Kinda need tangible assets for that first
Good screens of the weapons
Good understanding of all the mechanics
outer eagle
It'll happen eventually
Might be from DBT and his group who did D4T even
Although not sure if they said anything on the matter
unique trellis
👍
rustic cradle
Really loved D4D
outer eagle
It's really well made can't puck out any faults besides demon rune crashes I had
probs fixed by now
near mortar
Yeah, someone's going to inevitably do it at some point
Once the game comes out is most likely when it'll happen
Though I did see some guys in the ZDoom forums spriting carnival thread trying to make sprites out of the few new weapons we've seen
outer eagle
Speaking of D4T: whilst replaying Return to Saturn X during the level transport hubs Unwilling mobs will spawn despite no monsters being present as they are treated as some sort of filler mob
near mortar
Yeah
I actually kinda like that
They show up in that sorta lobby area so it makes the hub feel more like the demons cleaned house and aren't concerned about it
outer eagle
Yep
sharp vortex
Is a shotgun that shoots mini-shotguns already a thing in Doom?
near mortar
I believe one of those joke shotgun oriented mods has that
rustic cradle
Isn't that part of Russian Overkill?
near mortar
Nah as I recall Russian Overkill has a shotgun that shoots a like cluster nuke of entire shotgun shells
which is pretty good too
robust ridge
This time i've decided to don't make a mod out of the trailer, like i've did with doom 2016 years ago.
Though, i know someone who is making some oldschool sprites for the sake of fun.
viscid sandal
viscid sandal
untold niche
Kicks fucking ass
hushed hull
@viscid sandal just replayed QV. still fucking awesome
viscid sandal
@hushed hull thank you!
brisk timber
was just digging thru my old computer
look at this lmao
was trying to proc gen a level in doom
brisk timber
yeah
untold niche
The caves of torment
brisk timber
well it wasn't 100% procgen, it would randomly set the height and ceilings so each time the level looked different
the path was the same
another experiment
this was gonna be called "new hell"
untold niche
?
brisk timber
unique trellis
New Hell?
topaz breach
very old new hell
untold niche
It would have had dreamscape as the music
topaz breach
fresh hell
unique trellis
@brisk timber can see your color theory degree at work
dusky trench
Check this shit out.
not mine, but shit is beautiful
dude made an intro movie too
unique trellis
Nice. On my spare time, I'll also get my hands on QC:DE.
winged shard
the only things modding wise ive done for zdoom
is replacing the secret sound with the quake one and some mapping tsts
viscid sandal
prisma basalt
@dusky trench dont backseat mod
dusky trench
more of a suggestion than a backseat mod
unique trellis
prisma basalt
its been up for 5 hours. odds are we noticed it and allowed it
besides thats from the mod he is making
brazen copper
Yeah, I was listening to it earlier, sounds sick
viscid sandal
@dusky trench it still applies here its for a game im making so 😛 and I had no idea it existed so
prisma basalt
watch a youtube tutorial. you will get the basics down in no time
astral night
it's as complex as most other level editors really
unique trellis
i saw alot of 8 16 32 and 64s
astral night
yea what lain said. you should be able to nail the basics in a few hours
misty sparrow
just watch a few youtube vids WHILE using the program
youll be a master in no time
misty sparrow
its how i learned to take apart and put back together an electirc scooter
rare surge
is it as easy as doom builder
midnight sage
Trenchbroom is the Quake answer to Doom Builder/GZDoom builder and Descent Mission Builder
near mortar
So in other words it's easy to learn but by the time you master it you'll be able to do tons of cool bullcrap?
Instead of having to master it to do the basics
sharp vortex
TrenchBroom seems about as easy as Hammer, but god damn is it hard as fuck to set up. I gave up last time I tried it.
keen bear
avain is right
tranquil oracle
char const *d6(int result)
{
switch (result)
{
case 1:
return "+mMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm+\n"
"MMy-------------------------------------------:yMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo -//- oMM\n"
"MMo -mMMMMm- oMM\n"
"MMo hMMMMMMh oMM\n"
"MMo -mMMMMm- oMM\n"
"MMo -//- oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMo oMM\n"
"MMy::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::yMM\n"
"+mMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm+\n";
// the rest
}
return NULL;
}
we were shitting up dusk chat
tranquil oracle
you could do this instead
"A" "B" in C is the same as "AB"
string literals can be concatenated like that
shrewd grail
didn't know that
brisk timber
what on earth
astral night
Zombie talking about code. Carry on
tranquil oracle
The good thing about returning a string constant instead, is that you can now control how the text is printed at the call site
instead of it being constrained to what the d6 function does
although I would personally recommend an array of string constants over a function that returns them
brisk timber
what does *d6 do btw
tranquil oracle
* means it returns a pointer
tranquil oracle
int a; // an integer
int *b; // a pointer to an integer;```int *c = &a; // a pointer to 'a'```pointers can also point to functions
brisk timber
lmao zombie
tranquil oracle
Yeah, although function pointers require additional care
brisk timber
you should be teaching the game dev course
tranquil oracle
hahahaha
To elaborate, basically, a function pointer and a regular pointer aren't necessarily the same size on all platforms
shrewd grail
also @keen bear I can also just send you the missing DLL
tranquil oracle
So a void * isn't guaranteed to be able to hold a pointer to a function
shrewd grail
I need to put it in the release some day tho
tranquil oracle
(although on Windows + any platform that implements POSIX, a void * can hold a function pointer, so unless you're targeting obscure platforms, it's not a huge deal)
brisk timber
I honestly have no idea what any of that means
shrewd grail
it's low level stuff
basically what he's saying is that unless you're doing embedded (and even then), a void pointer should allocate enough memory to hold a function pointer
tranquil oracle
POSIX is a bunch of standards
I want to do a video some day explaining pointers in simple terms
because every tutorial online that explains pointers was written by someone with no understanding of how to teach properly
if you google "what are pointers" right now, I can guarantee any tutorial you find will start by shoving big scary hex numbers in your face
and proceed to not explain pointers clearly whatsoever
shrewd grail
doesn't help that most modern programmers are told to stay the hell away from pointers, more or less
tranquil oracle
Yeah
This quote applies:
We keep lowering the bar for technical prowess, it seems; if something has
the potential to be used "wrong", high-minded designers remove the offending
syntax rather than find or train competent programmers. This is why Java
removes pointers (among other things) -- it's not that pointers aren't
useful or efficient, it's that they require discipline from programmers.```@keen bear I put the DLL in the release, try downloading it again
keen bear
cheers
tranquil oracle
Reminder that there is nothing wrong with goto and anyone who tells you otherwise is a brainwashed compsci drone
shrewd grail
to be fair that quote can be extended to most of C/C++
tranquil oracle
The dangers of goto are hideously overblown
shrewd grail
someone once said to me that C (and C++) just assume you know what you're doing, and will happily let you shoot yourself in the foot
if you want to read an array past its bounds, go ahead, C won't stop you
C# might, I don't remember
tranquil oracle
C# has bounds checking
shrewd grail
Java's JVM will just insult your mother in German
tranquil oracle
C# does have pointers however, and the System.Runtime.CompilerServices.Unsafe API can let you read past an array's bounds even without an unsafe block
shrewd grail
yet another reason why I should start learning it
that, and the fact that I want to get a job that does not involve being at McDonald's
tranquil oracle
Also, Rust is a really cool language
shrewd grail
the hell
tranquil oracle
It's like C but with a focus on memory safety and multi-threading
Like, memory-safety checks at compile time
keen bear
a screenshot would suffice instead of making your troubleshoot it lol
tranquil oracle
lemme see if I can build it
shrewd grail
I know I can, on Linux and Windows
tranquil oracle
no build system huh
keen bear
i could try building it, but thats the point of a release :P
tranquil oracle
lemme shit out a quick CMake file for it
shrewd grail
yeah to be fair I didn't see the point of having autotools back then, it's like one line of g++
shrewd grail
s'how I was taught 12 years ago
if you look at my more recent project, I tried changing it
but I don't "automatically" do it yet
tranquil oracle
The main reason I associate it with the variable is because, well, I guess it's best explained with an example:
shrewd grail
and yeah I know, the multi declaration on one line
shrewd grail
just saying I am aware that I should change that, but it's not fully done yet
tranquil oracle
I avoid it because it makes it look like the pointer is the type, rather than a property of the variable
shrewd grail
mh, yeah, fair enough
but in all honesty that is probably the least stupid quirk of my code
I mean that engine, while perfectly working, is a mess
it's classes upon classes upon classes
it could be used as evidence for why some people don't like OOP
and I probably could make it ten times as efficient if I rewrote it in pure C
like, in all fairness, it works, it does its job, admirably so even considering how badly coded it is
but even I find it janky as fuck
it's gonna sound real stupid, but, idTech 1 was made in pure C, and it fucking wrecks my C++11 engine in every single way
tranquil oracle
Yeah honestly your code isn't really that bad
All my main complaints are really nitpicks
And personal stylistic concerns
shrewd grail
and I keep telling myself "if that was possible in the 90s, surely with better programming I could make something at least close with more modern tools"
tranquil oracle
id Tech 2 is written in C and is probably one of the most well-engineered engines ever made
shrewd grail
see, this is what I'm worried about
the devs of yore, they made fucking magic back then, with tools that nowadays amount to sticks and sharp rocks
at least theoretically, I should be able to have something close, in terms of efficiency (corrected for the overhead of SDL2)
or at least closer than this unnamed engine
tranquil oracle
The code behind those engines is much less primitive than you'd think
keen bear
whats the go with sdl2? i fail to see the appeal
tranquil oracle
SDL2 is great
It's basically a crossplatform, "standardized" (I guess you could call it that) way of getting a window, dealing with input, etc
keen bear
yeah i guess
shrewd grail
it beats talking directly with the hardware
keen bear
something about it has just never jived with me
keen bear
it gives me a weird feeling
shrewd grail
it should build, if you have all the libs set up right
that said I should learn how to use autotools someday
tranquil oracle
I never use autotools
CMake is a lot easier
but let's be honest, pretty much all build systems are shit
keen bear
all i ever wanted was a screenshot 😿
tranquil oracle
messing around still
shrewd grail
so there's a bit of interesting background in that project
at school, we built an arcade machine, cause our campus manager is a huge fan of arcade games
tranquil oracle
uh, do you need SDL_mixer too?
tranquil oracle
your repo only mentions SDL_image, SDL_ttf & SDL
shrewd grail
ah crap, forgot to update that
but yes
sounds were added like... 4 days before the deadline
I completely forgot
my b
tranquil oracle
there we go, now it builds
shrewd grail
so there's only one test level and one enemy type (even though I have more in the code)
shrewd grail
the scoreboard was never implemented tho
we just made one for the demo, so it looks at least "good"
it fooled the teachers so I guess that's a success ahah
keen bear
So the real question is what's the difference between zombies build and the release
keen bear
Then whysitbroke
shrewd grail
that is something I genuinely do not know, as I do not have a spare Windows machine to test it
keen bear
Interesting for sure
shrewd grail
or perhaps Zombie's CMakefile pulls a DLL I don't know about that the game needs on Windows
and that happens to be present in my path on this machine
shrewd grail
resources are always what takes the most space
I have another project, that I can't legally publish on GitHub because I seriously do not know which licence it's supposed to be under considering it pulls shit from like 10 different projects
the codebase is like 2MB tops
the resources folder is about 880MB
I need to re-do it at some point... if I ever get any new D&D group
shrewd grail
A or Select
or launch the game from the command line with the option --freeplay
(I think it is --freeplay)
tranquil oracle
works
shrewd grail
both graphics, sounds, music, and enemy placement were done by classmates of mine
who did all an amazing job
I only made the engine
y'know all things considered, on this Discord, amid the people who made Dusk, Amid Evil, Unfortunate Spacemen and all that, I really feel like this game is... subpar, to say the least lol
tranquil oracle
Well, this was like one of your first projects, right?
shrewd grail
it's my second video game, and to be entirely fair it's essentially a remake of the first
tranquil oracle
It's pretty impressive, all things considered
These days students are just made to use Unity for this kinda stuff
It's pretty depressing
shrewd grail
yeah, the lab wanted to use Unity at the start, but I went like "Wait wait wait, I got this" and shat out the engine in like a month and a half
then kept adding to it until I got this
tranquil oracle
lmao
sharp birch
well, Unity is popular af when it comes to teaching
shrewd grail
but never actually made anything with it
he legit gave a presentation of the UE4 demos
tranquil oracle
The current course I'm in requires us to use UE4 for one of our projects
sharp birch
oof
tranquil oracle
Even though literally everything else has been Unity
rare surge
whats the best thing to learn for gamedev
is it worth learning unity or shoumd i jump straight into c++
rare surge
o
shrewd grail
that said, learn the language before starting with Unity
rare surge
alright
shrewd grail
whether it's C++, C#, Java... just learn the language first
tranquil oracle
Using C++ with Unity is suicide
rare surge
ive been doing python for like 3 years
tranquil oracle
C/C++ in Unity is pretty much just for plugins
rare surge
but thats supposed to be quite simplified right
tranquil oracle
You can't write a whole game in it
shrewd grail
there are tons of other engines in C++
if you wanna laugh at how incompetent you are, start with idTech3 though
tranquil oracle
I'm not a fan of using C++ myself, I'm more of a C person
rare surge
really i would wanna make my own engine
rare surge
yea
tranquil oracle
if you start out with python
rare surge
other languages isnt a choice
tranquil oracle
you are chopping off your own limbs before you even get to use them
shrewd grail
@tranquil oracle psych ya: https://github.com/bad64/StarBlazer-original
rare surge
every course ive been on forces python
tranquil oracle
hahahaha
shrewd grail
the fact that I essentially came to the same conclusion you did is why I wanted to rewrite/improve it in C++
tranquil oracle
Python is radically different to pretty much any other language, syntactically
rare surge
well yea but i imagine the fundamentals are the same
tranquil oracle
plus it's a dynamic language and those are awful to learn with imo because they let you get away with bad habits
shrewd grail
that said, algorithmically speaking, it's not that different
rare surge
yea
i just started an AS computing course and for some people this is their first time programming
shrewd grail
and yes, that project is a testament to how much shit you can get away with in Python
rare surge
the guy is jumpin straight into selection iteration and arrays before half the people in the room even know the print statement
i feel bad for em
shrewd grail
I really never understood why some programming classes just don't start with C
like, it's the fundamentals
rare surge
i guess python is the easiest to understand
shrewd grail
more like it's the easiest to explain
it's not super rigid like C
but that's what makes C so damn powerful
tranquil oracle
C is very minimalist, too
There isn't much you need to explain right out of the box to get someone writing stuff
shrewd grail
then, pointers
rare surge
i think my first language was lua actually when pissing about with roblox studio
shrewd grail
and everything goes out the window
tranquil oracle
pointers are super easy, they're just never explained properly
all explanations I've seen have been super overcomplicated
shrewd grail
one easy way I've seen is to make the difference between value and reference
but I've never seen anyone do that in a class
shrewd grail
I guess it depends on people
it's a lot like programming languages
I know a lot of people who basically do magic with C#, but when faced with plain C, just throw their hands in the air and go "WTF IS THIS HERESY THERE IS NO GARBAGE COLLECTOR AAAAAA"
and inversely, I start every C# file out of pure reflex with #include <iostream>
which causes the editor to helpfully inform me that Wtf are you even doing you complete asstard go back to vim
viscid sandal
winged shard
looks properly dsiturbing
dusky trench
You know what's funny?
I started my modding career with a fucking add-on for Flan's Mods for Minecraft in 2012.
Nearly > 13000 downloads
I really don't wanna die and find out the only thing I made that became popular was a CoD meme add-on for some whack minecraft mod.
near mortar
Don't worry, you will
rare surge
i know the pain
the most popular vid on my youtube channel is a clip of fat albert with 1mil views
the rest of my vids that i put effort into get like 150 views
i dont want to die as "the guy who made the one fat albert video"
eternal nacelle
I would love to die as "the guy who made one fat albert video"
outer eagle
Best not to look at them
golden bloom
nimble socket
Looks awesome.
golden bloom
Thanks :)
brisk timber
fuckin noice
outer eagle
oooooooo
nimble socket
Nice stuff, those animations look super smooth.
wraith beacon
Managing all those sprites seems like pain.
outer eagle
Great results though
wraith beacon
So um, for UE4 would you guys recommend using Character pawns or regular pawns?
unique trellis
depends on what you're doing. characters require you to implement less but also makes more assumptions about what you want to do. they have a skeletal mesh and movement component already integrated, so if you're doing like, a shooter or something, then it's probably an adequate starting point.
wraith beacon
I got a basic system working I guess.
wraith beacon
Could someone help me out with the character turning BTW?
I have it set to rotate based off of movement but it's not working when I have a camera that isn't affected by rotation.
brisk timber
how's it set up
wraith beacon
No I want him to rotate with the movement.
As in like a character in Super Mario 3D land or Crash Bandicoot or some other fixed camera 3D platformer.
brisk timber
ah ok
so change waddle right to 'add rotation input'
and the Z rotation is the one you want
wraith beacon
Thanks for helping me BTW Leon.
wraith beacon
Yeah, but tank controls aren't exactly what I'm looking for, probably should've worded what I wanted a bit better.
brisk timber
ah well you get the idea of what the nodes do
wraith beacon
I'll figure it out eventually.
Was sorta just wanting a system where I'd point the analogue stick where I wanted to go and it'd move in that direction without it strafing.
brisk timber
ah yeah that's a little more complicated but not too hard
wraith beacon
Maybe I'll just build the game around tank controls.
Yeah, I'm actually starting to kinda like controlling the little guy like a tank.
Well, it's probably closer to an RC car but still.
rare surge
is the game a platformer
wraith beacon
No, it's an obstacle course game.
rare surge
im askin cos people wont like tank controls, even if the games designed around it
wraith beacon
True.
rare surge
wait so is it sorta like captain toad
wraith beacon
I guess, just sorta meant to be a game about avoiding death traps by focusing on moving at the right time rather than precision platforming.
rare surge
right
wraith beacon
I do understand the concern about tank controls though.
I'm just finding them oddly charming in this instance for some reason, probably because I made it and I have creators bias.
rare surge
i mean if having tank controls lets you do more with the gameplay then go for it
but otherwise i think normal analog controls would be better and let you do more challenging obstacles
topaz breach
tank controls can work as long as you design the levels and other systems around it
rare surge
ye they can work and be in the game but you need to ask whether they should
shrewd grail
I haven't seen a lot of platformers that do tank controls right
wraith beacon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyZXAUUEdqw Got a quick version of a fadeout dither shader working.
wraith beacon
Beep beep boop distance based halftone fadeouts.
If someone could help me with making the effect consistent across resolutions and aspect rations I'd really appreciate it.
topaz breach
feelsbad when ze goes from on a similar level to me to far surpassing me in a few days
shrewd grail
how bout trying to catch up then
you might get to work together on Dusk 2: Heretic Boogaloo
or seeing as this is UEngine, AMID EVILER
topaz breach
I'm a bit hopeless with most coding stuff because my brain just don't work like that
modelling I might be able to catch up with but making actual workable stuff is so much more annoying than just random models
shrewd grail
I'm on the opposite side of the fence
well, kind of
I have some coding skills, but this isn't my primary skill
however I have zero art skills
topaz breach
2d graphics are more my thing anyway
like maybe one day I'll get into ux design or something like that
really appreciate a good menu
shrewd grail
you better not watch my github then 8D
@tranquil oracle still not sure what to do with appdata_ptr, like from what I read it just passes data from the application to PAM, indiscriminately, I dunno how to tell PAM that this data should be a username or a password or stuff like that
wraith beacon
I'm very much an art person so a lot of this programming stuff is out of my league anyway.
wraith beacon
Could someone help me with aspect ratio preservation stuff?
brisk timber
what are you trying to do?
wraith beacon
I'm trying to have a texture that's uvs are set up to be window, the issue right now is if the aspect ratio isn't consistent you get stretching.
What it looks like with a square aspect ratio.
What it looks like with a wider aspect ratio.
brisk timber
is this a post effect?
brisk timber
ah that's nice
you'll need to show the whole graph
I'm not great with materials, but it's all math
@wraith beacon this a really good place to ask questions
shrewd grail
I find it ironic that a Discord server is called "Unreal Slackers"
brisk timber
it's called slackers because people spend time on there instead of working
oh fuck I missed that slack part lmao
it probably was on slack originally lmao discord is much nicer
shrewd grail
long as it's not WeChat everything's fine
shrewd grail
more like their policies on quite a lot of shit rather than against the denizens of China proper
topaz breach
sads for the great firewall
brisk timber
Bring back irc
weak cargo
no
astral night
wechat is just whatsapp but with more features
honestly better in every way
same with line
topaz breach
isn't wechat basically the only social media china uses
astral night
nah but it's the most popular
topaz breach
but like they use it for everything right
astral night
there's others like QQ (which is basically wechat since they're both tencent)
yea wechat is dominant
you can do almost everything in it
topaz breach
the whole nine yards
astral night
it's got chat, twitter / facebook style social networking etc
topaz breach
contactless payments and everything right
astral night
hell you can even pay with it
yeah
it also has a proximity based matching feature lol
i think you like shake your phone and for 5 mins or so it'll show you on a map along with other people who did the same thing
topaz breach
are line and wechat made by the same people
astral night
nah, QQ and wechat are
topaz breach
their store pages on google play are almost identical
astral night
line is japanese and i don't remember who made it
topaz breach
it just says "line corporation"
topaz breach
likely
viscid sandal
rustic cradle
So I've tried to get into custom content creation using trenchbroom to be ready when the Dusk SDK hits. To do so, I've watched a few tutorials and just wanted to get started. Unfortunately, quaddicted is not accessible in Europe due to fear of breaking GDPR, which is why there's no way of downloading start.wad and Necros' GUI without using a VPN, which I'd like to avoid. Do you guys have any suggestions of other tools that might work / alternative links to the tools that are accessible in Europe?
found the wad, but no luck on the GUI so far...
rustic cradle
Nvm, got it! Just made my first Quake-Map 😮
untold niche
SHOW US
shrewd grail
out of curiosity, why would you want to avoid using a VPN ?
rustic cradle
Hah, it's basically just a room with some basic lighting, some weapons and items and a bunch of enemies in the baclk... Not sure, never really got into it and I like to get some more info on what to avoid, what to take care of etc.
Not only regarding VPNs, but pretty much anything. Like to have at least a basic understanding on the tech side of things before I use something
prisma basalt
i use PIA
its legit one click and the VPN does the rest. its a bit more hands on if you want it to be but the whole thing is automated
shrewd grail
most VPN services are
but I've heard a lot of good stuff about PIA
really I think I only ever heard bad shit about one particular VPN service, and I barely remember its name
prisma basalt
pretty much any VPN that doesnt keep logs is good. next is server locations
most are dirt cheap so cost isnt a factor
shrewd grail
sadly it is for me, but I know I'm the exception more than the rule for that one
rustic cradle
Oof, went through a crashcourse of basic geometry editing and entity logic today. Definitely a lot to learn, but I'll keep it up whenever I find the time
And I got a map with more complex geometry, a door trigger, jumping ogres and a platform
shrewd grail
got a door trigger, you're already halfway through remaking Dusk
wraith beacon
Here's a Big John Penguin I guess.
unique trellis
absolutely perfect
wraith beacon
Size comparison between the player and Big John.
But yeah um for now he's just a big zombie penguin.
unique trellis
are all the characters having that monochrome color palate
wraith beacon
This is all previs stuff so probably not.
unique trellis
ok
dusky trench
DUSK Penguin conversion when?
unique trellis
so what type of game/mod are you making?
wraith beacon
I call it an obstacle course game but it's sorta just a thing I guess.
untold niche
Make it so the later levels are basically 2D serious sam with penguins
dusky trench
Wait so it's basically just 3d Pingus?
wraith beacon
It doesn't involve platforming, just sorta a avoid things like crushers sorta dealio I guess.
Describing what it is is hard because I don't even know what it's going to be.
unique trellis
oh i think i get it
wraith beacon
No platforming though, that's the thing because well the game has tank controls.
dusky trench
Early Alpha Hours who up??
wraith beacon
Progress I guess.
robust ridge
I imagined big john's voice in my head
dusky trench
you know a friend once told me
So it's basically the freeware lemmings knock off Pingus but 3d? @wraith beacon
wraith beacon
No, the green penguins are the enemies, they just don't do damage yet.
brisk timber
looking good man
wraith beacon
Thanks, this is my first UE4 project so I admit I have no idea what I'm doing.
wraith beacon
True,
But yeah um this is probably the first game I probably will finish, at least in the prototype stage.
Next I'll probably just add some more advanced ai for the Zombies and Big John Flipperson and some crushers.
That and deformable snow, that's still a requirement for this game even if it's just a dumb effect.
dusky trench
tbh the penguin animation for the waddle is kinda cute
untold niche
Money better spent on Amid Evil
brisk timber
1.4 copies of ae
outer eagle
What would a .4 copy of AE contain?
brisk timber
just under half the content
untold niche
2.8 episodes
outer eagle
Waa thinking barely any textures and models rest are mspaint placeholder stuff etc.
wraith beacon
Eh I kinda like making things myself though.
dusky trench
that's the spirit
wraith beacon
Sure there's people giving up their hard work and assets but I do like making shaders myself and figuring out this stuff myself.
outer eagle
Fair enough
wraith beacon
I also don't have money to spend on assets so there's that too.
wraith beacon
He shoot.
untold niche
I totally want a plushie of that penguin
shrewd grail
tbf it has some odd charm to it as is
gusty flame
wraith beacon
I'll add inbetweens eventually, all these assets are going to be changed.
eternal nacelle
I really like your style
tidal fulcrum
Da Ze for AE when?
wraith beacon
I wish I could work on it lol.
wraith beacon
Progress for today
Still using the pistol model for the flashlight because I haven't made a new model for it yet.
nimble socket
Cute :3
wraith beacon
The gun is basically scrapped BTW.
outer eagle
Rip guin-gun
wraith beacon
Maybe it'll return but for now, no guns.
But yeah um now there's tank flashlight aiming.
nimble socket
Resident penguins
wraith beacon
Resident Wake Penguin edition.
nimble socket
YES!
wraith beacon
That's what this is at this point.
wraith beacon
He's got a proper flashlight now.
I didn't just repurpose the gun like last time.
Really liked the wooden box vibe this sorta one has so I gave him it.
outer eagle
I like, much better over the run of the mill flashlight
desert notch
the thing about animations with rigid keyframes like that is that if you dont make the player move through the world in the same way that they move through their animations, it just kind of ends up looking a bit weird and out of place
like the smooth turns and movement just don't mesh well with the animations
wraith beacon
All of the art and animations arent final and will be changed.
olive dove
Why are you posting you dev stuff here @wraith beacon ? Is it because this is the closest thing they have to a dev place?
wraith beacon
Yup.
olive dove
Cool. What engine?
wraith beacon
UE4.
olive dove
Really? Looks like unity to me. Oh well, guess it goes to show how similar they are in the end
wraith beacon
Yeah they're actually pretty similar tech wise in a lot of ways.
I just prefer UE4 because of it's built in feature set and visual scripting stuff.
olive dove
Cool. Personally not a fan of visual scripting. Probably the only artist like that though
wraith beacon
I'm a dummy who can't program for shit so it's pretty handy having something like Blueprint.
olive dove
Yeah. I like unity for my stuff though. Suits my needs pretty well
You see my screencaps?
wraith beacon
Yup.
In all honesty one thing I find kinda baffling about Unity is the lack of built in decals, you can implement a custom solution but it's frustrating not having a mediocre solution built in.
olive dove
Yeah. I'M probably just gonna do planes placed where you hit
I got a basic billboard shader working the way I want so that's neat
olive dove
What do y'all think?
outer eagle
I must avoid it?
Seriously though looking good, trail pattern is nice but a bit all over the place might cause issues for a player in game (I assume it's a projectile attack from a enemy)
olive dove
I mean, one typically wants to avoid fireballs.
And yeah, basic demon shoots em.
Might tone down the particles
You have no idea how long it took me to make that billboarding shader.
I had sever versions that worked, but not all of them did what I wanted. If that makes sense.
outer eagle
It does, looking forward to seeing more
desert notch
Liking the visuals Golden
Also decal solutions for Unity aren't terribly hard to set up, and as with anything programming there's many different methods to pull it off, some harder than others
olive dove
Thanks @desert notch
olive dove
I don't animate very often. https://gyazo.com/0216ca4ba9200920683453b5c0e6ee2e
nimble socket
Not bad.
olive dove
viscid sandal
He's loving that self hugging more than makes me comfortable.
olive dove
Uncomfortable works lol
viscid sandal
Its aight and its going well we're hopping engines currently
olive dove
Oh cool, what game are you working on?
viscid sandal
olive dove
What engine is that? GZDoom, Unity, UE4?
viscid sandal
Blender
olive dove
Cool
It's harder to use Blender as a game engine so massive props to you (or the creator) for that
rare surge
wha i didnt even know blender could be used to make games
viscid sandal
I think its easier I couldn't be bothered to try and figure that thing out despite the fact that that is what I am moving to with the help of a friend
olive dove
What engine you switching to?
viscid sandal
@rare surge blender had a game engine for awhile but its support was lackluster and it was poorly optimized alongside having a ton of annoying quirks.
Unity
viscid sandal
I couldn't have more than 18 enemies in a level at once and depending on the situation that number could drop as low as 11.
And thats just one of the major irritations.
Also yes I am the main dev and the only dev up until about a week or two ago.
olive dove
If you need a billboard shader I made one a lil' while ago, assuming you know CG you could mod it to suit your game more.
Or I could
If you want the help that is
unique trellis
@viscid sandal that's micromachine maps
viscid sandal
@olive dove We've gotten that taken care of
This is what the game currently looks like in unity
In motion its still very rough but we're working on it
unique trellis
@viscid sandal cool. That's a big switch but the core gameplay was great.. GLHF
olive dove
I use a rigidbody with no gravity. I handle the gravity in the controller.
viscid sandal
Yeah it is. Currently we're just getting the basic mechanics in play then we'll go in and refine them later.
Yeah again I have no clue I'm just handling item placements animations that dont port over right and lighting.
viscid sandal
Not currently but its also not done yet. I imagine some will be and some wont
viscid sandal
At least with my understanding of baked lighting
olive dove
My project as it is RN. Hoping to get something done by the end of today.
viscid sandal
Nice
unique trellis
I feel like this might be another awesome retro FPS, or a retro adventure game.
olive dove
wraith beacon
Lookin neat.
olive dove
Thanks
patent spade
what have i been up to...well reviving old projects.. CHECK A LOOK
dusk dove
heady coyote
rip the ground
near mortar
Happy birthday to the ground
wraith beacon
eternal nacelle
there he is
wraith beacon
Here he comes, he's gonna shoot those Mafiosos.
brisk timber
he looks like an eager beaver
wraith beacon
He's eager to shoot the Mafioso beavers.
wraith beacon
Oops it's shitty game dev time with ZeHatsu.
wraith beacon
Honestly I'm not feeling the beaver project right now, going to put that on the backburner.
untold niche
Make it an expansion pack for the penguin game
near mortar
Second character
Penguin is a pacifist, beaver is a vigilante like the punisher
Problem solved, obviously
untold niche
It just werks
patent spade
m o l e
dusky tinsel
I finally got something to share 😅 https://twitter.com/Akselmo/status/1045736983832797185
unique trellis
Pretty nice
dusky tinsel
thank you 😄 theres still lots of placeholders like the ui but its something
shrewd grail
everyone seems to make shit that look so much nicer than my game holy crap
(then again I made the engine myself, so that might be why)
olive dove
Oh that's cool, can I see it?
shrewd grail
apparently the Windows release has been broken for a while, and I cannot figure out what exactly is going on with it
some missing DLL or something
I think I have a screenshot somewhere tho
olive dove
Cool
shrewd grail
s'nothing big, school project, etc
though I'm just proud of having made an engine on my own, rather than using an existing one
everything is made by me and my classmates, sounds, gfx, engine...
olive dove
Use a framework, like Monogame or XNA?
shrewd grail
nope