amid-evil-or-hunt-showdown

[plucky isle]

NUAETS.WAED

or...

WEED

[cinder mist]

we actually have two early test maps, one called NUTS and one called BIG_NUTS

[versed violet]

Whats a wad

[quasi pier]

what is the number of enemies of that map?

wad is a doom mod

because file format is .wad

[versed violet]

Ahh

[hidden dune]

we actually have two early test maps,

one called NUT

and one called

[cinder mist]

hahahahaha

[night ginkgo]

*BIG_NUTS

[pliant lotus]

Are the weapons in AE really sprites? They seems to by affected by dynamic lighting with different sides.

[hidden dune]

normalmaps

all the weapon sprites are actually covered in Leon's BIG_NUT

[crystal spruce]

Dusk and AE crossover

Duskdude and Champion slugging it out together in Arena battles with lootboxes

[pliant lotus]

That would be pretty great.

I think morale gives duskdude a durability advantage.

But the Aeturnum is freakishly powerful.

[hidden dune]

would morale really save you from a planet being flung at your face tho

[pliant lotus]

It's not a whole planet.

[hidden dune]

it is

the characters in AE are all just freakishly big

planets are really that small to them

[pliant lotus]

Lul, maybe.

[night ginkgo]

yes they're definitely sprites

[night ginkgo]

so we got a robot that fires lasers now

[devout olive]

@weary flax please make a leon version of this i am too lazy/ busy

[night ginkgo]

also you'll need to use the aeturnum a lot more this ep

[devout olive]

or simmo whatever floats your goat

[proper oxide]

I can't believe Leon was able to reverse engineer the enderdragon into so many different bosses!

[crystal spruce]

Is there some sort of equivalent to rocket jumping in AE?

[winged ibex]

Enjoy your sin Gilby.

[night ginkgo]

Hmm

It needs a goofier face

Also yeah there's rocket jumping

With planets no less

[winged ibex]

Yup, sometimes you planet jump with the earth.

[crystal spruce]

Ok guess thats a sell for me

[night ginkgo]

Yeah lmao destroy all the people of Earth just so you can get up on a ledge. No big deal

[brazen forge]

But what if player shot the planet he is currently on?

[night ginkgo]

Idk imagine how shit that would be in game lol

Boom dead

[gray cairn]

Wouldn't that count as you finishing the game technically?

[night ginkgo]

No because each portal is a different planet

[gray cairn]

Fug

Just cheat the weapon and ammo and spend it in the hub

[sand lintel]

Will you actually need to use it more

I haven't ever really used the aeturnum before and I'm finding it hard to imagine a scenario where I need it over something else

[night ginkgo]

Yeah metal episode has some real situations where you need it

Ultimately the weapons in AE are more designed with fun combat in mind

[plucky isle]

SLICEY DICEY.

[sand lintel]

The only thing I can come up with is like a low ceiling monster room they you can't planet jump over or something

[night ginkgo]

You'll just have to wait and see heh

[tardy cove]

The wait is painful though

[lilac copper]

its your own fault for buying the game in early access :P

if you didnt play it the wait would be easier

[tardy cove]

That's fair I guess

[frosty drift]

we're getting close

ep5 time soooooooon

[crystal spruce]

you: whats your dropbox

me:

https://youtu.be/YV2Szy79r50

[night ginkgo]

I know there's not much going on here but man I love this episode

[plain grail]

maybe share it then

did you bring enough for the whole class

goddamn i can't wait

[tardy cove]

Leon, you tease :__

[night ginkgo]

the combat is so difficult lmao

might have to dial it back a bit

[plucky isle]

I WANNA BLOW THIS ONE OUT

but @dark granite will ban me

[night ginkgo]

you want to what?

[quasi pier]

no Leon, dont make the game easier

game is already easy to beat

[plucky isle]

@night ginkgo

[devout olive]

he wants to fuck with the brightness and contrast looking for hidden shit

[plucky isle]

not for hidden shit

Some screens are too dark

that's all

[toxic ridge]

i have dusk but damn i do want to try AE

i dont have money for it since fixing my car, is there a demo at least?

[tall temple]

No demo sadly. Though you can try to win a free copy at our movie night. That's a couple weeks from now

I drop keys randomly during those

[plain grail]

save them pennies

it gud

[toxic ridge]

oh couple weeks? sounds cool

what night, like friday?

[frosty drift]

#356090071876763648 august 18th

[toxic ridge]

hopefully ill get the game by then but ill see you there

[crystal spruce]

Its @crystal spruce writing this just saying i finally bought #amid-evil-or-hunt-showdown 👌

[buoyant phoenix]

Arcane better be as good

[plucky isle]

Forges when?

[tardy cove]

, hopefully

[lunar fulcrum]

Just got like 4 achievements at once while messing with cheats lol

I was in the Level Select hub and I used AEHEH to finish the level and I got an achievement for beating the par time, finding all secrets, not touching anything, and finishing a level with max mana.

[night ginkgo]

yeah... kinda broken lol

[plain grail]

congrats 🏆

also when is the update i need it 🔫

[night ginkgo]

probably 2-3 weeks

after quakecon

[plain grail]

you guys are gonna have a booth right? or at least dave is going to be there shouting at people to buy dusk and amid evil

[night ginkgo]

booth afaik 😄

[tardy cove]

C'man Leon https://youtu.be/a6P40wLThbc

[plucky isle]

girly man

[devout olive]

gilby man

[plucky isle]

yeah that's me

[devout olive]

it a me

[plucky isle]

It a I

BROOKEN EEENGLISHHH

[night ginkgo]

haha

[plucky isle]

Are you spoke veri brocken englush Leeon?

[night ginkgo]

no

I'm from new zealand, not nieæw ZöelËnd

[plucky isle]

You is from New Zawurdland you needs to speack brocken englush

[winged ibex]

Fush and Chups.

[plucky isle]

Flush and Ketchups

[tranquil stream]

Hell Pizza

[night ginkgo]

They used to be good! Not so much these days

[plucky isle]

oh boi

[crystal spruce]

My 69th game tbh

[proper oxide]

hiding some embarrassing games

[frosty drift]

coward lel

[crystal spruce]

Why are some games blacked out?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[tall temple]

its his hentai game collection

[eternal cedar]

u said playing a hentai game!

[steel brook]

Congrats, I actually bothered looking you up to see which games you blacked out

do you think people will judge you for shovelware??

[misty owl]

It's a safe assumption

[steel brook]

I sort my library by release year

(Also oops I just now realized this is AE chat, sorry)

[crystal spruce]

just cheap af crap

my gaems

only show the goods

[thorn geyser]

[toxic ridge]

I want AE =(

[hidden dune]

pay new blood money

[halcyon silo]

Hey, wait a minute!

https://quake.bethesda.net/en/news/7i9HAErxPq6CIIM2y2maSO

Copycats! 😃

[night ginkgo]

hmm?

[lone hatch]

A DEATH KNIGHT!

YASSS

[winged ibex]

Oh shit.

[lone hatch]

also wrong channel my dude 😛

o

I see

hm

[halcyon silo]

😃

[night ginkgo]

gg pack it up simon broke the game

[cinder mist]

i accidentally reverted to the first revision, replaced everything with an asset called PISS and overwrote the latest revision and uploaded to steam 😔

and then accidentally ran format AE:\

[proper oxide]

Sweet now we can make that Mario is Pissing game we always wanted to do

[cinder mist]

yeah it's not all bad news

[winged ibex]

Simmo was trying to update the game's colour theory, too bad it loaded the kill AE button.

[cinder mist]

can someone rename this chat to #mario-is-pissing please

yeah we never should have programmed that kill AE button

accident waiting to happen

[proper oxide]

New capsule art

[cinder mist]

fuck thats a wip dont let dave tweet it

[proper oxide]

Early game screenshot

[night ginkgo]

lmao why is homer there

[devout olive]

celebrity endorsement for more sales

[proper oxide]

Homer from fortnite

[winged ibex]

Oh hey, another one of my memes.

[devout olive]

I saved it on my phone

[winged ibex]

Leaked footage of Jab IRL.

He's actually Sans from Undertale.

[night ginkgo]

imagine meeting jab irl

[shudders]

[devout olive]

his bark is worse than his bite

[night ginkgo]

how to delete someone elses post

that looks like ET's dad. serious photoshop

[winged ibex]

This is what Jab looks like now.

The Mario peeing memes have taken quite the toll on him physically.

[night ginkgo]

jab can you like prune the last 6 messages that face scares me

ironically looks like a prune

[winged ibex]

More uncomfortable content aware scale.

But yeah um, that's the last meme I'm posting in here.

[devout olive]

wait

do content aware scale on simon first

[proper oxide]

I'll do you one better and send you the meme associated with the pic, Leon

[devout olive]

[winged ibex]

Done.

[devout olive]

uh oh

[night ginkgo]

uh oh

[winged ibex]

uh oh

[cinder mist]

uh oh

[winged ibex]

Sorry about the Content aware scale and such Simmo.

[devout olive]

time to run deep fried simmo lightyaer through content aware scale

[night ginkgo]

well then

[devout olive]

only the lightly fried version though

[cinder mist]

https://i.imgur.com/OJZWI9U.gifv

[tall temple]

dat monitor tho

[crystal spruce]

do you ever just

[night ginkgo]

fucking cursed image

[devout olive]

[plucky isle]

fucking cursed server

[night ginkgo]

yeah it really is

I'm gonna send an email to discord telling them to pull the plug

[split fossil]

🙏

[versed vector]

amid evil update? 👀

[plain grail]

after quakecon leon said

they need to focus everything on upgrading dave oshry's shilling firmware, as he is a machine designed only for shilling

[versed vector]

I had an update for it on steam atm

[proper oxide]

prolly bug fixes or steam doing something

[versed vector]

I see

[proper oxide]

we usually make a lot of racket if its a substantial update

[plain grail]

usually a cloud update when that shit happens

axiom verge does that like every month or so and it's never actually updated lol

[frosty drift]

pushed out some general bug fixes

[proper oxide]

removed herobrine

[crystal spruce]

clout update 💯

[plucky isle]

it's ep5 update but there's no ep5 in it

[crystal spruce]

It’s the EP5 precursor update

[tardy cove]

Ep 4,5 update

[cinder mist]

actually we're releasing ep8, there is no ep5

[night ginkgo]

yeah sometimes steam weirdly updates a game with like 0.0 megs

[cinder mist]

0.0 whats this..?

[night ginkgo]

lmao jesus

[devout olive]

Thanks churbro

[plucky isle]

Churbaka

[crystal spruce]

[winged ibex]

Exactly, it's very epic.

[versed violet]

Epic

[hexed obsidian]

I'm sure this has been answered somewhere already, but is SP and Endless Coop still on the table for AE, possibly post-launch?

[devout olive]

yep!

oh wait!

so sorry!!!

I thought this was

#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

No, unfortunately multiplayer is not planned for ae right now

[hexed obsidian]

Ah, I figured, just too much work that woiuld have to go into a solid coop implementation I guess. Couldn't help but think that coop would be a super fun experience when doing another playthrough today though.

[devout olive]

again really sorry if I just got your hopes up right now

[hexed obsidian]

No worries!

[toxic ridge]

https://i.imgur.com/bESKriY.jpg

when you know the game is good

[plucky isle]

lmao where is it?

[toxic ridge]

are we allowed to spoil?

[plucky isle]

I guess yup. It's been a long time since ep3's release

[toxic ridge]

i dunno what episode it is

the rocky one with flying fire skull breathers

and rock guys who throw rocks

and purple ghost wisps

level 3 i think

[plucky isle]

yup episode 3

[toxic ridge]

maybe level 4

um

umm what was it

around the 80% mark theres a big open room with blocky stuff

almost like a * shape looking down

er shit ill just show you hold on

[plucky isle]

lol ok thx:)

[toxic ridge]

i play a lot of quake

so i was just rocket jumping around

trying to noclip and break the maps

[plucky isle]

yeah rocketjumping can be ...rewarding sometimes

[toxic ridge]

the rocket ball is super garbage in this game though

it feels terrible like really janky

the animation+travel

hopefully the devs know its super bad

[plucky isle]

mmkay

[toxic ridge]

ok i dont have a good save point

does this look familiar

https://imgur.com/a/T8Fn7wh

[plucky isle]

okay yeah

now i got it

[toxic ridge]

its a link though

with a buncha pics

[plucky isle]

yeah gotcha

thanks so much

[toxic ridge]

wait what

you know where it is now? just like that

[plucky isle]

I know the level now

[toxic ridge]

oh

ok so that last picture

before you fall down into the water

i couldnt get back up just now

but i think its right above the character model

i thoughtn i took a picture but i didnt

anyways int he last picture stand at the top across the room on those blocks

turn around

and you should see the area

its like 5 rocket jumps across the top

but not the top of that picture

its above+behind

its like rocket jumping across a long hallway from side to side

[plucky isle]

okay gonna try that SOON™

thx again!

[toxic ridge]

oh no wait i did take it

3rd picture

those trapezoid open window things

facing horizontal

those are platforms too

and just do like 5 jumps all the way across zigzgging

really awesome secret

i admit though i love this game but i dont own it

friends copy but i want one

this game is amazing

[plucky isle]

Yup.

[toxic ridge]

but $20 ugh

compared to what witcher 3 gives... $20 is too much

very bad pricing

[dark granite]

just curious how you can compare the two

that game has a multi million dollar budget

ae is made by two people

[toxic ridge]

becuase as a consumer

i see price, and i see content

🤷

[dark granite]

and they are fundamentally different games

[eternal cedar]

r u trying to get a free copy lmao

[dark granite]

apples to oranges

you dont buy oranges over apples because they are cheaper

[toxic ridge]

i do if i like both

[eternal cedar]

speak for yourself, i do it all the time

[toxic ridge]

thats the thing

[dark granite]

they are different objects entirely

[eternal cedar]

jk, apples are vastly superior

[toxic ridge]

like QC is $30

i think that game sucks and too much money

but its also f2p

and MP

dusk has MP

doom is $35

[eternal cedar]

with AE you can tell leon to go fuck himself, can you do that with QC?

no you can't

[toxic ridge]

all of the classic quake bundle can be had for $7

1+2+qarena

along with free mods etc

[dark granite]

but they arent the same thing at all

none of those things were similar to the other

[toxic ridge]

what do you mean?

[dark granite]

they are vastly different products

[toxic ridge]

the general fps game play and everything is pretty similar

like dusk, quake, doom, AE, heretic, etc

are all kind of the same

$20 just seems like a slap in the face for a retro game

just because its made today

[dark granite]

doom 2016 is a way different game than dusk lol

[eternal cedar]

hey, their decision

[toxic ridge]

it is im not fighting anyone

[eternal cedar]

fite me

i like to fite

[toxic ridge]

but i cant, AE has no MP 😏

[eternal cedar]

cheeky, I like you

[vocal ingot]

New (replicatable) media costs more than old media

[toxic ridge]

but like, just from the merit of this rocket jumping "Well Played" secret i just found

the game is so great and theres lots of care

but $20 ugh

[misty owl]

Wasn't Doom 30 bucks back in the day?

[vocal ingot]

this is pretty universal and extreme in the context of games too

[toxic ridge]

but doom isnt 30 bucks today

[misty owl]

Because it's old

[dark granite]

but how is that relevant?

[toxic ridge]

thats the problem

[dark granite]

it just seems weird

[eternal cedar]

hey, leon's a poor polish boy trying to make ends meet

with hobbits leeching off of him!

[toxic ridge]

making a new game look and feel old warrants a higher price?

[dark granite]

no

[toxic ridge]

just cause its made today?

[dark granite]

its a standard price

[vocal ingot]

no, it warrants the same price

[eternal cedar]

you think he sees the 20 bucks? fuck no, 500 is like his pimp

[dark granite]

it has nothing to do with the look or feel

[eternal cedar]

takes 19 bucks and leaves poor leon with a dollar :c

[vocal ingot]

$20 is pretty standard for the average independant/small production game

also, $30 USD when doom released is like $54 USD today

[toxic ridge]

if it was $10 id buy it in a heart beat but $20 is just getting so close to much more value games

at very similar prices

shit, hollow knight is like $12 when i got it

[dark granite]

value is entirely subjective

[toxic ridge]

and that game blows my mind

[plucky isle]

I'D BUY LEON FOR A DOLLAR

[toxic ridge]

i bought 4 copies and gave em away

[eternal cedar]

oh hey, robocop references? bless you homie

[plucky isle]

yup.

[cursive kestrel]

current discussion
Come on guys, this is #amid-evil-or-hunt-showdown, not #galaxy-brain

[toxic ridge]

but yea theres something really wonk, imo about the rocket orb weapon's animation

the way it shrinks and travels

and the delay when you click

[vocal ingot]

I think Leon's said he's been fiddling with that actually

I dunno if that got pushed through in an update though, but there was something on twitter about it?

[plucky isle]

it'd rather be #whyDafuQIsItSoExpensive 😛

[toxic ridge]

it feels like server lag in an offline SP game, the initial delay

rocket juimping has more height by shooting then jumping just after

annoying af

cause of delay

[eternal cedar]

let's ping leon to annoy him and make him respond!

[vocal ingot]

Oh the delay, I dunno about that

It's just the way the weapon functions though

[toxic ridge]

yea it does that shrinking orb animation stuff

imo it feels awful

and unresponsive but 🤷

just feedback

obviously got used to it finding that secret

but yea its like, when cyberpunk 2077 comes out for $70 or whatever, and you see AE for $20 cause itll never be on sale i believe?

like theres no contest

[cursive kestrel]

lol

[toxic ridge]

"standard" doesnt make it right

[dark granite]

what

[toxic ridge]

over priced college text books are, by standard, like $200+

[eternal cedar]

yall dum, let's play dusk mp

[toxic ridge]

does it mean its fair to sell it at that price like everything else?

[plucky isle]

When dave sees this, he'll shit brix

[cursive kestrel]

you should write a book about all this

sell it for $60

[toxic ridge]

if you saw my book writing skills, id have to pay people $60 to read it

😄

[cursive kestrel]

lol

[dark granite]

the reason CDPR can charge 70$ for their game is because they know they are going to sell 50 million copies

[vocal ingot]

For one, price to content does scale linearly, buying more smaller content games is always going to be more expensive than a single game with a massive amount of content; it costs money to design the game at all regardless of content

[dark granite]

if they sold the same number of copies as ae, it would be a $3000 game

[eternal cedar]

i once tried to write a book but quit at trying to come up with the title 😃

[plucky isle]

RAGEQUIT, eh? 😃

[eternal cedar]

nah i wanted to sleep

[toxic ridge]

so now the price is higher than it should be because youre expecting to sell less

[plucky isle]

lol

[toxic ridge]

which like, by virtue means its too high

[dark granite]

no thats not logic

[night ginkgo]

it's 20 bucks because it's 20 bucks

[toxic ridge]

and i agree squiddy

[plucky isle]

oh hi leon

[night ginkgo]

you don't have to buy it

[toxic ridge]

what you said i completely agree

[plucky isle]

how're u doin

[toxic ridge]

which is why HK for $12 was great, deadbolt for $8, etc

ori for $15

[vocal ingot]

I mean, there's no inherent price for digital, infinitely replicable content. Saying that it's 'charging more because it's going to sell less' is pretty off-point

No more valid than saying that other games charge less because they're going to sell more

[toxic ridge]

but thats what was literally just said

they know theyre moving way more quantity

[cursive kestrel]

I still don't get the argument over $20 being too much for AE
What would AE need for that price to be justified in your eyes?

[eternal cedar]

tiddies

big tiddies

[misty owl]

^

[vocal ingot]

You want to pay in tiddies?

Just give them away?

[eternal cedar]

fuck no

[plucky isle]

lmao

[eternal cedar]

i want the tiddies for myself

[vocal ingot]

🤔

[dark granite]

leon needs to eat a LOT of chinese food

so the price gotta be $90

[eternal cedar]

leon needs to eat a lot

so that he can include his tiddypics with each copy

[toxic ridge]

chicken balls with sweet+sour sauce will never be gross

[night ginkgo]

I eat actual chinese food

[eternal cedar]

you eat children that can't work at sweatshops anymore?

[night ginkgo]

yes

[toxic ridge]

do you sit there eating your actual chinese food going hmm yum, i enjoy chow mein chinese food

😏

[vocal ingot]

you eat bird on stick and congee?

[night ginkgo]

yes

[cursive kestrel]

kiwi on a stick

[plucky isle]

how much is ur chinese food leon? $20?

that explains a lot

[eternal cedar]

they actually pay you for the kids

[toxic ridge]

does AE have a map system planned?

[eternal cedar]

it's the seasoning that really hits your wallet

[night ginkgo]

map system: no

[toxic ridge]

er like, terrain map like a layout

not a map making map system

[night ginkgo]

nah

it's too vertical

[toxic ridge]

mostly the hub seemed confusing

[eternal cedar]

ur 2 vertical

[toxic ridge]

like i can imagine people cant find some of the 7 episodes

[eternal cedar]

tiddypics with each copy when

[night ginkgo]

it's more about exploration anyway

rather than hand holding

[toxic ridge]

i dont remember there being any indication there were 7 in game

just as a selling point

what if people dont know to stop exploring fo rmore worlds

[night ginkgo]

hmm?

[toxic ridge]

granted tbh i dont really remember if it said like

there are 7 worlds, find them!

or some nonsense

[frosty drift]

time to pack up and take the off topic talk to it's appropriate channels

[plucky isle]

WHO DELET

[night ginkgo]

ty avain man

[toxic ridge]

but yea, its definitely a fun game

[plucky isle]

yup

[cursive kestrel]

I still wanna know your answer to what I asked earlier

[toxic ridge]

are there any plans for like ingame modifications

[cursive kestrel]

What would AE need for the $20 price to be justified in your eyes?

[toxic ridge]

like increase speed,decrease

faster run speed i m ean

just small alterations like Perfect Dark mode in perfect dark n64

[plain grail]

there's cheats to increase/decrease run speed

[toxic ridge]

so the way i see it shoggle,

[plain grail]

but i don't think it's very incremental

[toxic ridge]

AE struck me so far as a game thats very set in its ways with what the dev will offer and its done

it didnt strike me as something people can alter and make levels for over the years

it seems very cut and dry

it has endless mode, but no MP

it has cheats but no real modding for fun

compare it to quake 1 which is basiclaly free now

but assuming youre legit and buy it for like $2 on sale now

you get what, engines,oepn source, arcane dimensions

bla bla bla

turok 1+2 were remastered on steam (heads up!?)

and nostalgia kicked in but damn $20 is a brutal price tag

[dark granite]

so wait for ae to be 20 years old, and itll be $2

[cursive kestrel]

and $20 is a perfectly fine price for the Turok remasters

I don't see what's "brutal" about it, a lot of work went into those remasters

[toxic ridge]

oh and then diabotical if you know what that is

devs said theyre planning to be about $10-$15

they want as many people as possible to play it

[eternal cedar]

why the fuck yall still on it lmao

[toxic ridge]

but a price tag high enough to ward off cheaters

[cursive kestrel]

Are you one of the people that complained when Black Mesa went non-free on Steam?

[toxic ridge]

shoggle asked and we're just chatting bortman

i dont know what black mesa is

is that the HL thing?

[cursive kestrel]

yes

[toxic ridge]

i never played the HL games

[dark granite]

fyou should also know that diabotical is floated on james' massive personal wealth

[eternal cedar]

don't you dare giving me a str8 response when i'm trying to be cheeky :c

[dark granite]

and he is taking a massive loss on making that game

not everyone can afford to do that

[toxic ridge]

but the sentiment of wanting people to play it

same as team cherry + hollow knight

[eternal cedar]

i complained about BM because i like to complain

[toxic ridge]

people actually told them to increase the price

[night ginkgo]

#gaming

[dark granite]

every person who makes a game wants people to play it

[toxic ridge]

and they said nah, we'd rather more peopel play it

[night ginkgo]

#gami_g plz

[dark granite]

kk

[toxic ridge]

so why not $10 over $20?

is it not expected to sell twice as many?

[night ginkgo]

because that's what we're charging

[plain grail]

why do you value their work so little

[eternal cedar]

be4 we leave, noods plz @night ginkgo

[plain grail]

🤷

[toxic ridge]

@plain grail he just asked and i just answering, calm down

[cinder mist]

please buy AE my children need medicine

[toxic ridge]

and i dont value their work so lowly, i came to ask about that secret cause i thoguht it was amazing

and perfect for a game that felt adventure/exploration based

[plain grail]

children = simmo medicine = whiskey

[cinder mist]

i'm glad you liked that, i was hoping someone would find it

[toxic ridge]

oh the solo adventure games are the best

like classic tomb raider

[cinder mist]

fourteen's right

[toxic ridge]

those are love

no way things weren't going to be rocket jumped to lol

WHICH btw reminds me of something

in that same level theres a place where you step on a switch

and a box on a rope falls

breaks the floor, drop in to water

jump on the box to jump to a secret

but if you already drop the box

getting to the secret is a real f**king pain

its still doable but frustrating

[night ginkgo]

there's a ledge? just walk along it

[toxic ridge]

no shit?

[night ginkgo]

that's the idea though

[toxic ridge]

lmao

[night ginkgo]

if you miss it, it's harder

[toxic ridge]

i was off to the side on a diagonal

testing every possible rocket jump

and angling just right to fly into the secret

i thought i screwed up cause the box fell then i saw it

repeated quick loads...

[night ginkgo]

you just crouch walk along here

[dark granite]

the more you know 🌈

[toxic ridge]

where is the rope?

for perspective

[night ginkgo]

to the right

[toxic ridge]

OH

behind teh axe s the / slanted section

not a complete wall to the end

neato

[plucky isle]

Neato The Gravelord boss when?

[eternal cedar]

when leon decides to make the game shit

[plucky isle]

😦

[eternal cedar]

so hopefully never 😃

[night ginkgo]

top secret boss teaser

[dark granite]

woah he did it, the madman

[toxic ridge]

the metal boss dun dun dun

[plucky isle]

Ornstein's spear

[toxic ridge]

it looks like a rabit foot with a big flaming carrot

rabbit

[plucky isle]

rabid foot 😃

[night ginkgo]

big flaming knife go chop chop

[toxic ridge]

the two rocks and big circle part

look like a big frog face

which makes sense with the rabbit foot boss

AE i do think is much better than dusk

probably a style preference bias tho

[tardy cove]

So, AE is too expensive because the planet launcher feels weird?

That's a new one

[proper oxide]

We get all sorts of people in here

Trying to understand them will drive you crazy

Just say "lmao okay bud" and move on

[tardy cove]

Pretty much, yeah

[quasi pier]

still guy who said Andrew Hullshult OST sounds like a placeholder is the best 👍

[tardy cove]

Speaking of which

An Ep 5 OST preview would be neat

[night ginkgo]

Yeah it would

[woeful saffron]

1000 degree knife challenge

[dire compass]

release ep 5 challenge

[woeful saffron]

Let's see if we can chop through the Labyrinth Axe

[night ginkgo]

I've been working non stop on ep5 gonna be good

[woeful saffron]

Yay Leon! ❤

[night ginkgo]

Most difficult episode so far

Enemies are hard dudes

Plus the crazy traps

[woeful saffron]

Do you think you topped the previous episodes layout?

[night ginkgo]

Did I mention we have metal piranha

Each episode is unique

But yeah it's fun

[woeful saffron]

Ay water enemies!

[night ginkgo]

Yup

[woeful saffron]

Are people going to be able to see it a Quake Con?

[tall temple]

we will be shilling AE but i dont think we will be showing anything new there. just dusk ep3

[woeful saffron]

Aha gotcha, the Shill strikes again

[night ginkgo]

Well...

Actually

[woeful saffron]

[proper oxide]

No Leon we show off good games at cons

Not ue4 asset flips

With stock music

[night ginkgo]

Wow why always shredding me

[plucky isle]

UNDERWATER ENEMIES

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Leon = little god from NZ

[night ginkgo]

Who you calling little

[lone hatch]

You

because you are

[tall temple]

wow
why we bullying leon

what did he do to us?

[crystal spruce]

make ROTT 2 with only market assets

[proper oxide]

He made videogames

And fuck videogames tbh

[versed vector]

fuck video games 😏

[plucky isle]

yes leon

you're a little one

[night ginkgo]

Uhh

Sorry for not being 6 feet tall

[eternal cedar]

tbh whoever's not 7 feet tall should prolly off themselves, damn manlets

[night ginkgo]

Lmao

[proper oxide]

I like how Leon is shorter than dave

Like

Gg short people

[frosty drift]

hmmmm

📷
📸

yup, this one's going into my shorty compilation

[night ginkgo]

I'm taller than Dave tho

[plucky isle]

any proofs?

[fallow venture]

I want to pick this up. Any clue if it'll go on sale during the usual quakecon sales that happen next week? I know it's only 20.00 but all my funds are going towards pax West in a few weeks.

[frosty drift]

nope. no sale planned for QC

[fallow venture]

Ok thanks. I used to play the shit out of hexen and heretic and doom. So this is up my alley.

[frosty drift]

👍

hope you enjoy it!

[plucky isle]

You'll DEFO enjoy it

oh yeah baby...

[fallow venture]

I'm sure I will.

[hidden dune]

just skimmed through the past 12 hours of discussion

boy

do i feel like shit for thinking forsaken remastered is too expensive now

it's like, there's a lot of modern PC gamers who seem to only buy games during Steam winter sales

then go "why this game so expensive??? i can buy 100 hour action RPG for $10"

[brave condor]

normies are fucking cheap yes

one of my old co-workers bought Doom 2016

liked it

then refunded it

[hidden dune]

maymay arrow not playing until the foundry level

[brave condor]

"Because it would just be $20 eventually anyways"

[hidden dune]

https://media.giphy.com/media/nEaapAziTarwQ/giphy.gif

i mean

i feel guilty because i got the game for free

and I wish I could support leon in some way

I'm hoping for a deluxe edition like Dusk

[frosty drift]

you can if you want to

just buy a gift copy for a friend

[hidden dune]

it would just gather dust in their libraries, i'm afraid

[frosty drift]

hmm, fair enough

[hidden dune]

at least i could rock the fuck out to hulshult's soundtrack or something

[frosty drift]

yeah, like with dusk the AE OST's going to be available for purchase once the game leaves early access

[hidden dune]

then you see the smarmy steam posters come in and say

"huurrrr why you buy the soundtrack when the music is on youtubes for free"

[quasi pier]

AE is gonna have "collector digital edition" ?

[frosty drift]

getting people to actually pay for music is pretty difficult now that streaming dominates the market

[hidden dune]

"why i should i have to pay for PLACEHOLDER MUSIC"

[frosty drift]

i don't have anything to say on a digital CE right now. stay tuned though 😉

[hidden dune]

"eww this soundtrack sounds terrible, it sounds like Quake Champions"

"it's not EDGY enough"

[frosty drift]

lel

[hidden dune]

i thought dave confirmed there would be a comic like months ago on twitter?

unlike dusk

it's all just leon shitpost memes compiled

[frosty drift]

but yup i'm gonna stay silent on the matter as i don't want to say something i'm not supposed to say 😅

[hidden dune]

reminds me, i made this months ago but never posted it because I thought leon would be offended by being portrayed as a muscular reptilian with no penis

at least this will see the light of day, unlike pickle david

[frosty drift]

[versed vector]

avain tell us all the secrets

i wont tell anyone

[hidden dune]

spoiler alert

amid evil is cancel

[frosty drift]

yeah that's it

[hidden dune]

big /v/ thread where everyone calls leon and simmo "fucking NEETs"

[versed vector]

TIL people still browse /v/

[hidden dune]

they don't

they're trapped there

[versed vector]

rip

[frosty drift]

eh it's not even the worst thing out there honestly

[hidden dune]

rise up, fellow gamers

[versed vector]

it was entertaining when i was 15 but yeah

[tall temple]

Suits is our resident /v/ nerd. Ask him about NB threads when he isn't crying about something

Good luck

[hidden dune]

@cinder void do they have a tariff on games from New Zealand because they hate AE so much?

[dire compass]

question for the amid evil devs

when this game was being developed, besides the art for the main menu screen and such

was concept art ever done for creating the enviorments or getting enemies made?

[versed vector]

i somehow managed to read "getting enemies nude"

guess my brains want something

[cinder void]

?

[versed vector]

same

[cinder void]

i dont

get the questions

[hidden dune]

he's asking if AE devs made concept art

and they probably did

i can't imagine them putting that much effort into color theory without some designs first

[tardy cove]

Pretty much all games have concept art

Don't be like this guy, please https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1024482771891191808

[toxic ridge]

hey dream

if you really wanna support AE you can buy me a copy 😏

[versed vector]

lmao that tweet

[toxic ridge]

wont collect dust

[versed vector]

tbh i think more 9 year olds should do enemies to games so they're just not BasicSoldierGrunt69

[dark granite]

i can confirm they have concept art

[hidden dune]

@tardy cove 90% of steam forums are chronically-unfunny shitposters who think the developers don't read their posts because all they post on is TF2 and CSGO boards

[toxic ridge]

is there going to be some sort of character reveal?

[hidden dune]

pay $20 more and find out

[toxic ridge]

[hidden dune]

this guy gets it

[buoyant phoenix]

Honestly don't get how 20 dollars would be a high price for much of anything you enjoy.

At least when it comes to art

[tardy cove]

@hidden dune Which is why Steam forums suck

[toxic ridge]

tbh its pretty fucking wild people pay $15 to see a movie

[tall temple]

Nah. I pay nearly $20 for my local imax. But it's really upscale and nice

[plucky isle]

guys

u know what

$20 is too fucking much for ur game

[versed vector]

yea $19.98 would be reasonable

[crystal spruce]

Look if you got a problem with cost of these amazing games, just be lurking in the channel one day and dave'll ask for a meme about Valentine's or something and make it and get a key... That's what I did... I want to give copy when I meet a person in real life who would like it

This is a meme farm if you are new around here

[versed vector]

dank

[cinder mist]

we had some concept art, for a couple of the enemies, but apart from that not really much at all

we'd just talk about what kind level themes we want to make and i'd make some materials and we'd go from there haha

[crystal spruce]

Will concept art be an unlockable in the future?

[proper oxide]

i dont think we ever had concept art?

i think leon and simmo just make what comes to mind

[crystal spruce]

What about unused content?

[proper oxide]

pretty sure most of that was either tossed or is just small changes

remember AE isnt some triple A game thats been in development for years

budget-wise, there probably isnt room for concept artists or having the luxury of rewriting the game the game scratch several times

[crystal spruce]

I understand

But are there going to be post launch updates or a goodies folder like in Dusk?

[proper oxide]

post launch idk

if the game sells well, anything is possible

as for unused content, maybe a goodies folder?

like i said

pretty sure a lot of the older stuff was tossed

[crystal spruce]

Ok

[night ginkgo]

if we had money we probably would have got concepts made

we got a few that Chris made

I could put them in the codex when the game comes out of early access

[hidden dune]

oh shit, i know this is old and off-topic, but i was googling amid evil to find screenshots and i found some forum from 4 months ago discussing how much they love dusk, ae, and ion maiden

and someone brought up apocryph

namely how they charged $20 for a 4-level demo without warning

now that is a terrible way to waste $20

but anyway

i'm impressed that the team is able to create such vivid, low-poly worlds without any sketches before hard

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.net/amidevil_gamepedia_en/3/3b/Peaceful.png

https://pc-gaming.it/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/amid-evil-anteprima-2.jpg

[winged ibex]

Yeah, it's surprising that the game didn't go through a concept art phase.

[night ginkgo]

yeah AE is basically opposite of proper dev

we just make whatever we want

[cinder mist]

yeah i recommend it

[night ginkgo]

I just read that pc-gaming.it review, damn good

[queen leaf]

Ah the: "We do what we want we're 12" method

[hidden dune]

@night ginkgo this it? https://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=https://pc-gaming.it/amid-evil-anteprima/

How not to mention for example the bat that fires spines that the death blow dealt to an enemy it violently against the wall?

I don't know what this translation means, but it sounds metal as hell

[devout olive]

the mace

bat that fires spines

like as in a baseball bat

and spines as in like spikes

[hidden dune]

i mean i kind of figured, but the phrasing reminded me of a tutorial screen from a 90s arcade brawler

[devout olive]

it makes perfect sense and is grammatically correct, just odd phrasing because of literal translations

[hidden dune]

lost me in the second half

[night ginkgo]

yeah

[hidden dune]

But that's not all: collecting souls that enemies leave ashore once dead they go to fill up a bar, which when full allows the next shot struck momentarily activate a skill comparable to the "Tome of power" to Heretic, enabling a sort of side effect practically devastating all of its arsenal, but cost extra mana consumption.

leave ashore

I gotta remember that phrasing

oh shit leon

even this italian article complains about the soul mode key

😂

In the MIDST of EVIL seems to be a perfect title for the goals that developers have won: a title sold without pretension to budget price that gives a nod to old old-school FPS and satisfy the public that seeks only the most hard and pure without losing time to see film footage of doubtful utility. If you are curious, give it a chance, if you love the genre could hardly be disappointed.

In the MIDST of EVIL

I love it

[cinder mist]

nearby to badness

[vocal ingot]

Around Un-good

[night ginkgo]

it was probably written before you could assign a soul mode key

[dire briar]

concept art is overrated

[night ginkgo]

Lmao yes

[cinder mist]

i lied, leon did some concept art

[night ginkgo]

That was a real concept

[cinder mist]

i cant find the celestial claw one

[night ginkgo]

Lmao I remember that

[cinder mist]

geocities.com/amidevil

[night ginkgo]

Wow now that's old

[cinder mist]

first pic in our discord

mood

hahaha

[gentle zealot]

womp wah

[night ginkgo]

lmao I found the celestial claw "concept"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241924249621626880/242909028542447616/unknown.png

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/241924249621626880/243967340092456960/ScreenShot00037.png?width=1442&height=597

1st week of AE dev

[cinder mist]

a few things were started before official dev began

like the axe

[night ginkgo]

yeh

[brave condor]

we call those

proof of concept

im curious though

how long was AE worked on before being picked up by New Blood

[night ginkgo]

6 months I believe

[proper oxide]

Yeah but where's the transformable axe leeeeon

[gentle zealot]

it's in yer butt

[devout olive]

In hard reset 2

[cinder mist]

https://i.imgur.com/LDIvrLW.png

thats the only transformation that was made heh

[gentle zealot]

is that the pulse staff from unreal 2

[cinder mist]

https://i.imgur.com/FasOpyT.jpg

@night ginkgo look at this hud

i dont remember it looking like that

[night ginkgo]

I do

it's not using UMG which is why it looks fucked heh

[toxic ridge]

what programs do you use? to make the game as you go

like art, coding etc

itd be amazing to do like a 4 hour tutorial on youtube

of like the general implementation of one weapon and two rooms with a switch

to inspire

[winged ibex]

They use UE4 as the engine, Substance Designer I think and some other things I guess.

[night ginkgo]

Unreal engine

[crystal spruce]

done

[crystal spruce]

Amid Evil

Am I Devil

Live Dima

Amidima Evilive

Is this some sort of subliminal messaging in the title?

A Mideval?

[plucky isle]

Amid Tcharlnobogg's-attemps-to-find-any-subliminal-Messages

[proper oxide]

amid quit posting just to see yourself post

[crystal spruce]

@proper oxide are you talking to me?

[proper oxide]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky isle]

Nevermind @crystal spruce

He likes talking to himself

[hidden dune]

y vidogam not 4 free?

this better not be another person whining about the pricetag

[crystal spruce]

@hidden dune actually $20 for a new video game is cheap and it already has more content than most $60 games

[hidden dune]

@crystal spruce why'd you @ me? When did I say $20 is not a good pricetag for Amid Evil?

[night ginkgo]

did you guys see dave posted some shiet on twitter last night

https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1026812295198855168

Rad Chad @ Quake Con (@DaveOshry)

We up all night to get EVIL

Twitter

LAZERS

confirmed

[winged ibex]

Whoa, fantasy lasers.

[plain grail]

god damn those are some good screenies

the room with the green glowy stuff on the bottom is my favorite

[night ginkgo]

the one with the big roller and stairs?

this ep is really cool, it's a bit of a change

[plain grail]

big roller

is that what that is

we sen's fortress now

will episode 6 have dudes shooting poison blowdarts at you silently and completely out of sight

[night ginkgo]

are big rollers in dark souls

I haven't played it

[plain grail]

well there's big things that roll around

more that this looks like a trap-heavy episode

[night ginkgo]

arent there like boulders?

yeah it's trap heavy

[plain grail]

yeah

hazards in general

sen's has a ton of traps

also play dark souls what is wrong with you

[night ginkgo]

there's also a dude that vomits nails at you

we haven't shown him yet

[plain grail]

typical new zealander behavior i see

[winged ibex]

What, you don't have people that vomit nails where you live?

Every day I see someone vomiting nails on the footpath.

[plain grail]

that's how it go

eat chinese food

vomit up nails

[winged ibex]

True, I have seen Leon vomiting nails at 1 am.

[cinder mist]

thats where we got the idea

the enemy is just leon

[night ginkgo]

yeah

[tardy cove]

Nail Vomit is a fantastic name for a Crust/Grindcore band, if you ask me

[night ginkgo]

btw anyone visiting quake con can try the new episode

[proper oxide]

This is Quakecon not Hexencon

[plucky isle]

Leon Homecon hahahaha

lmao

🤣

[night ginkgo]

Wow ok if you see jab there you can give him a kick in the bum

[devout olive]

jab not there

jab poolboy

[night ginkgo]

I know

But if you see him

Anywhere

[devout olive]

okay I'll just go round to every pool in ohio asking them if anyone works there that looks like this

[night ginkgo]

No one looks like that

I hope

[crystal spruce]

go to every pool in ohio placing jabosh everywhere

[devout olive]

"have you seen this man"

[winged ibex]

I wish I was at Leon Homecon

I'm only at Cremecon.

[devout olive]

and I'm here on server-restart duty

[night ginkgo]

My brother just tried the new episode. He was like " yeah hard difficulty no big deal" died like 20 times the fool. I warned him

[devout olive]

ror

[plucky isle]

lmao

[proper oxide]

Then dave come in

With his huge producer dick

TOO HARD

BALANCE

REWRITE

[plucky isle]

eeh... CANCEL?

[winged ibex]

"Go show DUSK at Armageddon Leon, you're one of our only New Zealand locals and flights are expensive."

[frosty drift]

amnid evil used to be fun

then dave happened

[plucky isle]

Dave happens (C)

[prisma galleon]

A E aesthetic is my shit

[upper epoch]

so i like amid evil and Heretic + Hexen are on sale should i get it or is it not worth

[night ginkgo]

They're both a lot of fun

[finite shuttle]

Heretic is like DOOM but with fantasy art style
HeXen is like that but with a hub and sprawling maze-like levels, as well as a "class" system

both are good however

[upper epoch]

ok thx guys

[crystal spruce]

episode 5 is p lit not gonna lie

[night ginkgo]

wew

[frosty drift]

unlit

[crystal spruce]

I really like Amid Evils level design

[quasi pier]

what is AE roadmap? all episodes gonna be in early acess? or maybe 6 and 7 episode on release ?

[proper oxide]

lol

you think we have a road map?

[vocal ingot]

Gonna let you in a secret

[proper oxide]

this is NB remember? we do things randomly

[vocal ingot]

the roadmap is Soon™

[versed violet]

NB dev roadmap

[quasi pier]

"roadmap" as in quotation mark

[proper oxide]

dunno yet

prolly just keep par the course

release each ep in EA

except the last

last ep will come with 1.0

[quasi pier]

yep, good idea, leave some suprise for 1.0

[plain grail]

is quakecon over yet so we can have episode 5

[proper oxide]

no

[quasi pier]

episode 5 after quakecon?

[proper oxide]

its coming

[quasi pier]

its gonna be closed beta branch for this episode?

[proper oxide]

dunno yet

worked out well last time

so its possible

[plucky isle]

wooo

[plain grail]

how bout

now

[plucky isle]

mhm

keep dreaming

[night ginkgo]

yeah will probably do the beta thing again

we still got a few things to do for this ep, it's not finished

like the boss for example lol

[proper oxide]

new beta channel be called "meso american beta chat"

[night ginkgo]

idgi

[proper oxide]

that fine

[topaz stump]

[night ginkgo]

please explain

[crystal spruce]

Based on imagery I've seen of episode 5, using the Clock King from the 1960s Batman series as a model for the boss would be an apt decision 😂 😂 😂 with all the gears and stuff

Or maybe something cooler he was kinda lame for such a mainstay in series.

Y'all have been 10/10 for me so far with this game, can't wait to see the back half!