Pretty sure it's not just the SDK
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
amber sparrow
shell arch
DUx
The director's cut
high skiff
Why won't the pacifist award unlock on The Gauntlet level? I've honestly played it about 50 times without the boss losing any health but it still won't unlock. So frustrating.
jade root
Is he being caught in his own blast radius for his grenades?
earnest cloud
Wait enemy self damage count against the pacifist award?
jade root
I don’t think so but the Gauntlet is a special case
earnest cloud
Ah ok
copper comet
Is frag night over?
high skiff
Probably, it seems utterly impossible to prevent that though.
His grenades may explode near him but its not effecting his health bar
I also cannot get it for Brimstone Getto, again tried many times
jade root
It’s defo doable
I forget the reason why it’s like that tho
I think for the challenge or something
mild ginkgo
It's because all explosions in the game are treated the same
So your explosions, explosions from enemy attacks, and explosions from barrels
You cannot allow an enemy to get hit by an explosion (other than the welders death I think) if you want pacifist
earnest cloud
Ah so that's why I never died to his explosions in duskmare
high skiff
I take its theres no way at all to get Pacifist on Dweller in the Darkness?
earnest cloud
Oh no there is
There is a secret way to complete the level without harming anyone.
jade root
^
high skiff
wow really? I'll try find out on my own then
high skiff
lmao found it already
earnest cloud
lol
high skiff
thought it must have had something to do with the secret area
high skiff
Brimstone Ghetto and The Gauntlet pacifist are the last two awards I need to complete the game. Not sure why I can't get it in Brimstone though.
earnest cloud
Could it be a barrels? I know there are some parts to brimstone where monsters will shoot barrels on accident most of the time.
high skiff
Probably is. Not sure how much more I'll try though as I've put in enough hours on those two levels for its worth.
earnest cloud
Yeah
mild ginkgo
its because dudes are shooting barrels
a lot of people struggle with that one
those are the two hardest levels to get the award on
balmy sluice
@high skiff brimstone ghetto is doable, the part that is likely giving you trouble is the underground train tunnel after you exit the vent. Drop a quick or manual save before you leave that vent and just try and try again.
I honestly think if the barrels were removed from that tunnel, that level would be easy to get pacifist on.
earnest cloud
Could you be fast enough to remove barrels from the equation? like just throwing the barrels into corners or something?
balmy sluice
Thats exactly what I did lol
But I was on duskmare so its easier than I was making it.
earnest cloud
Yeah
I have yet to do duskmare on ep 3
My memory is till shoddy but I remember bits and pieces of dweller in darkness
high skiff
@high skiff brimstone ghetto is doable, the part that is likely giving you trouble is the underground train tunnel after you exit the vent. Drop a quick or manual save before you leave that vent and just try and try again.
@balmy sluice Thanks for the tip
crimson folio
I am playing through Dusk rn, and I beat the Twins just from infighting
amber sparrow
Huh? Must have taken a while
safe vortex
It feels like the Twins do more damage to each other than to you.
amber sparrow
Not in my experience
The twins are in the top 3 most dangerous boss encounters in the game for me
The other two are mama and the experiments
OH WAIT scrap that, I just realized the twins aren't the Duke brothers
I don't find the actual things that are called the twins to be particularly memorable
I really don't get why they even have a boss bar if they are just two regular enemies.
It could be argued that they are minibosses even as regular enemies, though.
crimson folio
Duke bros are some good ol boys i tell you hwat
shell arch
Why does the sanctum of the worthy look like a crappy garage tho? 
amber sparrow
I think it's funny
crimson folio
Does the difficulty level increase spawn counts? Or just enemy damage and health and stuff?
I sure could go for the second hardest difficulty, but with like, twice as many enemies. So many unused bullets..
shell arch
just the damage, how efficient morale is, enemy speed and projectile speed
i kinda wish there was a mode that spawned like... twice as many enemies
and twice the ammo
dweller in darkness would've been just 
oh and... two jakobs...
shell arch
ok i guess that was a bit too spamy
sorry about that guys 
also...
damn it i just got an automated reply from gog saying that my ticket might take from 2 to up to 4 weeks to crunch 
mild ginkgo
ouch
earnest cloud
If dusk was made into a live action movie who do you think would play Jakob?
jade root
Avain from New Blood Server New Blood
earnest cloud
lol
jade root
I’m the ghost of yuuka
earnest cloud
Oh yeah
muted jolt
cause, tbh Dave don't have the way to act like Big John
earnest cloud
The horror should be played by Jim Carrey
earnest cloud
Yeah
earnest cloud
Eh we'll make him cgi and voiced by the parrot from aladdin
muted jolt
Noice, that the way live acting goes
Now
we will make a survey, and one member of newblood °tm Discord Server can act like a Soldier
it's will be a random win, so anyone can be on the movie
earnest cloud
Should they have a musical number?
muted jolt
that worked for cats or not?
earnest cloud
We'll get people from the server to voice each rat
muted jolt
yes, but all it's was a fever dream on the W.C
to make context in the live action movie
earnest cloud
Oh yeah definitely
shell arch
i wanna be the failed experiment
muted jolt
can you breath fire?
shell arch
depends on the amount of spicy food i eat
earnest cloud
He doesn't have to all we need is some moonshine and a spare lighter
shell arch
although i don't really breathe fire then
earnest cloud
hm
shell arch
dope
muted jolt
but, you need to search for someone to be the mini failed expermient
you know, the little one that it's secret
earnest cloud
And little neck
shell arch
yeah thats the failed experiment
muted jolt
OH LOL
muted jolt
that why raw moron it's the director
earnest cloud
Who will play the guardian?
shell arch
civvie 11
muted jolt
somebody with ugly face
earnest cloud
Oh yeah
shell arch
lol
sly path
Who?
muted jolt
that will do
shell arch
who's gonna play momma?
muted jolt
Dave
shell arch
muted jolt
he can be a pretty woman
but remeber
we don't let Dave be Big John
he not fit for the role
earnest cloud
Yeah
shell arch
he IS big john tho
muted jolt
no, in this live action
earnest cloud
We need to make tom cruise big john
muted jolt
he kinda don't get the art direction of Big John
shell arch
oh, so we're going the netflix route then?
picking wrong actors for the role and stuff
aight
muted jolt
so, we repleaced with David
earnest cloud
Ye
earnest cloud
Oh yeah
shell arch
oh and let's not forget
earnest cloud
oh yeah
muted jolt
not katanas and gun blazing director
shell arch
we have to find someone to make a crappy freemium mobile tie-in game with loodboxes
just in time for the premiere of the movie
earnest cloud
Nah we don't need a crappy mobile tie in game
earnest cloud
We need a hero shooter tie in game
earnest cloud
And online mmo
shell arch
im outta here
muted jolt
we will sell skins FOR dusk champions
earnest cloud
Yes
muted jolt
😠
earnest cloud
D4NUK1 is a ruthless businessman
earnest cloud
James Rolfe
muted jolt
yes
shell arch
muted jolt
he make nice flips
shell arch
who?
earnest cloud
Yeah
muted jolt
videogame nerd
earnest cloud
Plus his delivery on "One fish, two fish, red fish, dead fish" will be legendary.
muted jolt
he know horror stuff,, he used a nes gun, and can scream
earnest cloud
Ye
earnest cloud
We can photoshop them out
muted jolt
yeah, we will use the same studio that will make a CGI Intoxicator
earnest cloud
Ye
blur studios
earnest cloud
I was thinking Illumination studios
muted jolt
have a nice sleep
shell arch
god bless them for helping dice with lighting in OG mirror's edge btw
earnest cloud
Good night kraja
shell arch
that's a real thing that happened
muted jolt
remeber
earnest cloud
Oh cool
shell arch
nighty
muted jolt
not for us boy
shell arch
earnest cloud
You will be on Steven Colbert retelling your story as Failed experiment on Dusk The game The movie.
earnest cloud
We could digitally shorten the actors like they did in The Hobbit
earnest cloud
lol
muted jolt
as we make a new blood cinemaverse
muted jolt
the same cliff of the final boss
earnest cloud
Yeah
muted jolt
CGI nAUGTHARHTU
earnest cloud
lol
muted jolt
I dont speak russian
earnest cloud
Hm
muted jolt
sso sorry if i miss the name
earnest cloud
I mean I can't even pronounce half of the non euclidan gods' names
muted jolt
we can change the name of that monster to make easy for our viewers share memes
earnest cloud
I just call him Tentacolino
muted jolt
great minds trink alike
earnest cloud
lol
muted jolt
we will delet for the movie the archer labs and homecoming
earnest cloud
Yeah or we could make it an animated sequence.
muted jolt
we will put them on the director cut, as we make it on unity
earnest cloud
Yeah
muted jolt
if you got a way to replicate that maps in unity, please share it
earnest cloud
Hm, Well we could put them in the gamebryo engine
Or hell ken silverman's build engine
earnest cloud
Oh yeah?
muted jolt
yeah, we need that licensed music
muted jolt
For that industrial vives
earnest cloud
Ye
But for the actual ending we should do something classic
Like dusk dude doing a swan kick at tentacolino
earnest cloud
"This is the DUSK of your reign"
muted jolt
"And be DAWN sure next time"
earnest cloud
Tenticolino will say "Others will be GREEN with envy"
earnest cloud
Oh for the love of
i ever seen
earnest cloud
I would love to see a sequel with Pickle dude
muted jolt
thanks, in 5 days we will get the crew
earnest cloud
Sweet
muted jolt
but we need just a little help from you
limber solar
yo
earnest cloud
Hi JP
limber solar
anyone dwn for some duskworl?
muted jolt
me
earnest cloud
Go to #lfg-signup and click the leather neck to get games started
muted jolt
i can play it
earnest cloud
It's fine
muted jolt
but yeah, also signup
limber solar
anyway, im bummed
i got tht gog version
and i finally got completionist on every level
muted jolt
it's work
muted jolt
that's odd
limber solar
I got the achivemnts workin again
earnest cloud
The completionist and soap cheevos are bugged, I heard that from somewhere
muted jolt
i will be on american server
tardy cove
@thorn trout are there any plans to add the Totem back in the future? I still have an old alpha of Dusk with the Totem weapon. If not, would it be alright if I made a mod for it?
Or perhaps releasing old alphas a la Amid Evil? That was a very nice gesture
<@&249011167937298432>
high skiff
Finally did pacifist on The Gauntlet and Brimstone Ghetto. Does anyone know if you have to complete the level after picking up the soap in each level for it to count towards the "Don't Drop It" achievement?
thorn trout
No specific plans, and yes you're free to make a mode using it
tardy cove
Thank you for answering, sorry for bothering you
thorn trout
some old alphas are already available in the goodies folder, and others will likely be released in the future
tardy cove
Dusk is a great game
mild ginkgo
i imagine that it will make its way to the sdk in some form anyways
thorn trout
for future reference it's better to ask the mods or other users questions first before pinging me or Dave, since you can usually get your answer that way easier and quicker
Neither of us check public Discord that regularly and are often busy with other stuff
@mild ginkgo yeah I'm assuming so. It will take some scripting to get it completely working again tho I think
prisma halo
The Totem is one of several things planned for inclusion in the SDK, yeah
jade root
Plz don’t ping the entire dusk dev role
You’re just waking everyone up for a single question
@tardy cove
tardy cove
I apologize, I didn't mean to bother anyone
Sorry if I woke anyone up, it wasn't my intention
brisk lagoon
Live and learn, that's what life's all about. 😎
jade root
We don’t even allow that
muted jolt
there was one time that was allowed on one server
lies, it's was dave that ping every1
tawny quiver
Any active servers?
graceful wing
Try #lfg-signup
shell arch
god, i love it when i go for the CM completionist and the freaking goat just 
s itself into the portal at the end of E3M6 
71/72 monsters, 5 secrets and no completionist, thanks you asshole, real nice! 
simple pilot
Nbufo
shell arch
ey?
simple pilot
if it still on the map but you cannot reach it, use nbufo
shell arch
oh no he's still probably running there... somewhere...
i'm just not gonna give him that - i ain't gonna chase it down
i'm a rebel i live by my own rules 
also - recently i re-watched that anniversary stream and...
thanks guys for mentioning that fight on jerma's stream - funniest thing i've seen in months
amber sparrow
I really don't like the idea of steam achievements
Like, games should be about having fun, not showing off
Challenge in itself is rewarding in my opinion
Speedrunning is a different story
crimson folio
achievements are funny
wide thistle
broken forge
WUAGHL TIME TO TAKE A PEES AHAHA
reef dagger
Is there a multiplayer co-op mode still coming for Dusk?
graceful wing
Yes
celest forge
I just Beat Dusk on Cero Miedo again. It still holds up.
jaunty lotus
@jade root except it's not on mac 🙃 bc I'm a broke college student trying to buy a car instead of a computer
shell arch
@broken forge Chad john vs virgin cult leader
amber sparrow
So the powerup timer actually resets to max when you pick up a new totem? I thought it was just separate timers running in parallel
balmy sluice
There is a level that tells you to stack multiple.
amber sparrow
Pretty sure that's E3M6
But that doesn't have to do with what I'm saying
I thought they would run out individually at different times
So if you pick up one, then an other 5 seconds later, you fire at 2x speed for 5 seconds, 4x for 10 seconds, and then again 2x for 5 seconds
I mean that's what I assumed. (I also assumed it's 15 seconds)
16x fire rate super shotgun is serious shit
It could literally kill Big John within a second
shell arch
here's a pro tip
don't kill big john
go around him, get on that jumppad and make him follow you
and fight him mid air while enjoying the doppler john
going like yeeeeeEEEEEEEE EEEEE AAAAaaaa aaaaaauuuuu...
it's quite literally the funniest shit in dusk
amber sparrow
It's kind of underwhelming tho because the shaft is so long you don't hear him most of the time
cosmic urchin
is there a vid of doppler john @shell arch
amber sparrow
Jerma's playthrough has doppler john
Big Johngus when
We have the Jakob voice line from Andrew
All character voices must have a big chungus line
Like, maybe this Jakob line could be foreshadowing in an sdk level
You hear it at the beginning ang go yeah haha funny but then at the end of the map you face big johngus
And then you get it and go ah i get it wow
Wait idk if any existing sdk levels have been using it
Gotta stop being awake now bye
crimson folio
havent followed dusk in a while, are we able to mod duskworld servers yet?
mild ginkgo
not yet!
polar ember
anyone know why i can't save/load when playing mods in SDK? can't figure it out
prisma halo
Saving and loading isn't implemented in the SDK yet
polar ember
OH thanks a lot for quick response
prisma halo
np
It's a heavily requested feature so it's high on our priority list, but I can't promise it soon since there's a lot of work we need to do to support it still
graceful wing
ok rip
simple pilot
take me w u uncle dave
graceful wing
me 2
amber sparrow
Mages are quite powerful enemies
There's lots of them and they deal pretty good damage.
Very much like imps
simple pilot
hollow kite
viral gate
Don't think there's plans for it no
amber sparrow
You can buy the game and refund it if you don't like it but you'll probably like it
Refund works under 2 hours of playtime, within 2 weeks of purchase on steam
crimson folio
dusk
amber sparrow
on switch
small palm
How many times do I have to ask SDK when to get it unreleased?
simple pilot
at this point it reached lifetime delay so theres no need for that
shrewd sentinel
Why don't I ever see people on servers
muted jolt
for duskworld?
Mostly because we play on a looking for game
so just make a pin there, and people fill the servers
also, there it's time like fragnigths that are really full
crimson folio
I had an idea
dusk fortress
basically
2 teams
with 5 classes
The ranger uses the sniper rifle (you know that one) and has 100 health
The scout dual wields shotguns and has 100 health
The soldier has a riveter and has 150 health
The medic has a pistol and he can click on team mates to heal them, and has 150 health
and the heavy has a machine gun and 200 health
The scout is the only one who can slide
So the game basically is payload, the soldiers try to push the bomb into the cultists whatever
now i am incapable of executing this so yeah
the idea is up for grabs
tardy slate
soldier wins every time
crimson folio
perhaps nerf the riviter
to deal less damage
buff the mg's fire rate a little
give sniper a headshot bonus
tardy slate
why not start learning them? the scripting will be on the C language and it'll be a while beofre it comes out
so you have plenty of time
crimson folio
I have no self control
tardy slate
well if you tell yourself that - it'll be true
tardy slate
well you definetly wont learn them if you dont start, but you CAN start and already have a grasp at the basics in a day or two
so like it's either not knowing what it's about because you think you cant, or having some understanding because you told yourself that you can
tardy slate
mapping for dusk is very very easy, i made a functional playable map in like a week or 2
that's because the tools are old, so the devs had time to make them intuitive and easy to understand
crimson folio
well, I also have like 2 other projects
tardy slate
aw come on with the excuses lmao, you can do it if you dedicate like 30 minutes a day to it
crimson folio
fine, I just wanted to get it out there so it exists
but i'm gonna do it!
just top prove to you I can
tardy slate
that's the spirit mang
crimson folio
and in every map I make
tardy slate
crimson folio
I will have "Fuck you Vriska for helping me" hidden out of bounds on every map!
lol
tardy slate
dont mind the title - we use Trenchbroom from dusk mapping
crimson folio
ye
cloud quiver
one dusk scripting sdk key please
tardy slate
make that 2
tardy slate
joke
crimson folio
ok
cloud quiver
it's a secret steam key that zombie is hiding from us
crimson folio
Want me to eat zombies fridge
@tardy slate doe's anything differ between mapping quake and dusk?
tardy slate
some very slight things, but this tutorial should give you like 85% of what you need to know
like for example dusk is missing some quake stuff (BUT will support it later) and has a couple half-life features like breakable things
tardy slate
check out #dusk-modding for more detailed info in pinned messages
crimson folio
wanna join me in my new crusade to make a dusk thing
tardy slate
sure mang, ill help you
let's move this to the modding channel, fits better
throw any questions at me
crimson folio
k
earnest cloud
You know I can't believe they forgot big john in dweller in darkness.
mild ginkgo
well you killed big john before that level
muted jolt
I can't believe they forgot Chomper in dweller in darkness
earnest cloud
we also killed the guardian and experiments but here they are
spare cobalt
there are already multiple experiments
also the guardian could just be your average big boi demon they just bolt grenade launchers to
earnest cloud
Ah ok
spare cobalt
when Big John dies he pops out in another game universe
earnest cloud
What about the big john colony from amid evil?
Is that just like a crap ton a Big Johns fall into one universe?
spare cobalt
he fragmented into lots of wee johns
earnest cloud
That... explains everything
spare cobalt
lets hope he gets put back together for wherever he pops up next 
young quartz
Anybody up for a game 'o duskworld?
real lava
@crimson folio
tardy slate
yo, the fast firing cheat actually runs out lmao
it takes a while but yeah
nyarlhotep fucking dies
high whale
Yo new to the discord sever but huge fan of DUSK
I have a a lot of respect and admiration for the effort and work that went into DUSK
high whale
thx
muted jolt
You finished Dusk?
high whale
yup
earnest cloud
How was it?
verbal sand
Is dusk designed around pistol starting?
earnest cloud
A few of the maps are
jade root
it wasnt designed that way but it works well regardless
some maps are better suited than others
jaunty lotus
Question: what does the soap do?
jaunty lotus
So like... it actually works as a weapon? That’s wild lmao
earnest cloud
Yeah
jaunty lotus
Also I just beat the game for the first time lol
earnest cloud
Nice
thorny basalt
One shot kill
On any enemy
I should know just played dusk through first time
Loved it
earnest cloud
It's hilarious
celest sonnet
earnest cloud
Yeah
little hill
Dusk's movement is muah!
amber sparrow
Still cannot find Into The Thresher's ambiance in the SDK.
crimson folio
Dusk, a game where even a 9 year old can pick up and enjoy. (my lil brother saw me play and wanted a go, gave him a round expecting him to be bored soon. Bastard loved it and kept coming back to the Farm)
earnest cloud
Aw that's nice
amber sparrow
I really think "e2m3_ambient.ogg" or something like that is missing from the SDK files
crimson folio
Accessible is pretty amazing for kids. It let's them have the full combat experience of the game without them discouraged by lots of tutorial hints or monster handholding. In Doom, the easier difficulty simply means less enemies. My kids are out for blood! He wanted slaughter and carnage, and the arena gave him one.
earnest cloud
Well the difficulties are similar to doom
Enemies attack faster and are hitting harder.
prisma halo
There should be an e2m3_amb.ogg
oh wait no that's the internal name, I just checked and mnt/local/dusk/music/e2m3_ambient.ogg is missing from the SDK, yeah
wtf
I wonder why that is
jagged ferry
bruh moment
prisma halo
for some reason it's exported to uh
e1m8_action_loop
looks like I'll need to give the music export stuff another once-over
amber sparrow
And the actual e1m8_action_loop is what it's supposed to be, I guess. E1M9 combat music
prisma halo
two files are set to export to e1m8_action_loop so one of them is replacing the other
need to check which one is correct
amber sparrow
It's not e2m3_amb. It's the E1M9 action music
I have the feeling Through The Gate was done after Ghost Town
prisma halo
E1M... 9 action music?
oh right, the internal level names are all fucky for episode 1
amber sparrow
Yes. All e1m8_ songs are for e1m9
amber sparrow
It begins at E1M5, Sawdust
prisma halo
amber sparrow
E1M5 uses e1m5_ambient, e1m7_boss_1_loop and e1m7_boss_2_loop
E1M6 is fine. E1M7 uses e1m7_action_loop (of which there are an hq and an lq version for some reason) and miniboss_1.
Then there's E1M8 with e1m7_ambient (which has the easter eggs) and e1m8_gates
And E1M9 uses the e1m8 ones that arent _gates
prisma halo
Yeah I'm gonna go through and redo all of the music exports then
amber sparrow
It's been a fun minigame I guess 😄
prisma halo
lmao
amber sparrow
Finding the music and all
prisma halo
If anything I hope that puts into perspective how much of a mess there is to clean up to develop the SDK
lol
To make matters more confusing, levels don't directly reference the music they use
Every level contains all of the music in the game, and the levels just have a number that corresponds to where the music is in that big list of music
amber sparrow
Also some are flac and some are ogg
prisma halo
That's deliberate
We have some of the tracks as .wav, and some are .ogg
I converted the .wavs to .flac to keep file size down, but I left the .ogg files alone because they're already compressed and going further would lower their quality
The only example where audio was double-compressed is with the fork maiden audio, they're MP3 in the project, and they were converted to OGG in the SDK
simple pilot
Like Sawdust music is called "e1m4 boss" even if the level is fifth one
mild ginkgo
this is also why the initial game load takes so long
simple pilot
and there are no bosses in e1m5
simple pilot
Oof
mild ginkgo
and keeps them loaded the entire time
simple pilot
Thats a big messuh
prisma halo
the dusk project layout is more lovecraftian than anything else in the game
amber sparrow
Like Sawdust music is called "e1m4 boss" even if the level is fifth one
@simple pilot *e1m7
simple pilot
ah yeah
amber sparrow
Which actually has bosses. Who don't use that theme
simple pilot
the point is still up
prisma halo
If you want to see just how much of a mess it is
this is part of the code that exports the music to the SDK layout
Look at how inconsistent all of the internal names are lmao
while I'm redoing this music stuff, I think I might change it so each map has its own folder too
music/e1m1/action.ogg etc
amber sparrow
amber sparrow
I thought the meat lass was the thing that shot the green crap in the e3 demo
prisma halo
The Meat Lass is what became the Leatherneck
mild ginkgo
prisma halo
Fun fact: even though the Meat Lass only ragdolls in all of the publicly available alphas it's present in, it actually did have a death animation at one point
That death animation is only present in a single build we have
In all other builds the animation isn't even in the files unused, it's gone entirely
amber sparrow
Did the headless green plasma zombie thing have a name
amber sparrow
Oh. I figured they were predecessors of mages
slow harness
Meat lass' is pretty awesome
amber sparrow
But didn't know they were mages.
prisma halo
The Meat Lass has a very different texturing style to the rest of the enemies so I don't think she'd fit into the final game
Not even in episode 3
slow harness
Are her textures reused?
prisma halo
Nope
mild ginkgo
prisma halo
I'm pretty sure the only thing left of the meat lass in the final game is the death sound
mild ginkgo
prisma halo
which goes unused
viscid pecan
hot
prisma halo
I think there's a ragdoll object in the game too but because her model is gone it's invisible
prisma halo
meat lass soccer 2017 was a masterpiece
slow harness
Thick
mild ginkgo
simple pilot
is that a pink texture
crimson folio
didnt this server used to that that dave uv mapped face as an emoji?
amber sparrow
I've only now discovered this thread https://twitter.com/DUSKdev/status/1204557917787168771
crimson folio
is there a dusk mapping community
amber sparrow
muted jolt
Assets/Music/Andrews Music/E3MS/Separating_Purgatory_amb.ogg"]
We got it boys, the purgatory it's rattacombs
worn badger
Bug found in Dusk (didn't know where else to post it). When playing the game with the hud turned OFF, pressing the B button on the xbox 360 controller turns the flashlight On/Off, but it also turns the hud back ON. To turn it back off again, I have to press the +/= key on the keyboard again. It seems that the B button on the controller is bound to using the flashlight, but also a function that turns the minimal sized hud back on (but doesn't act like the minus key, to make the hud larger each time it's used, it just shows the small hud on the right side of the screen). I'd fix this myself, but due to the closed nature of Unity games, I don't know how to unbind and rebind the controller buttons.
worn badger
Oh yes, it's only for the controller. The bug does not occur when using the keyboard.
worn badger
I injured my shoulders and trying to play with a mouse and keyboard is painful.
wheat prawn
oh that sucks
worn badger
I either use a controller or I don't play games.
wheat prawn
how hard is Dusk with a controller?
simple pilot
thats technically not a bug but just a bad bindings
wheat prawn
yeah
worn badger
Dusk with a controller is pretty good. Amid Evil controls a little better while Ion Fury isn't very good at all and actually works better with something like Xpadder to handle the aiming. I'd say it's completely playable, but you might want to lower the difficulty. Of course, you can't play with the same proficiency as when using a mouse and you're not going to pull off 180 degree turns or quick headshots, but I've been able to play through the episodes without difficulty.
worn badger
I call it a bug because I can't rebind it. Is there a way I can change bindings myself? Is there some sort of console or command line variable or autoexec.cfg file I can edit?
wheat prawn
not sure
worn badger
In the Dusk/config folder is a file called dusk.ini with some commands and key bindings, but I don't see the controller bindings.
jade root
@worn badger please post that to the dusk steam forums
your bug
we read every post there
worn badger
I'm not on steam. I got it from GOG. I tried to register on Steam and post it in the forums there, but Steam won't let me post until I've bought games there. Will you please post that bug for me there on the Steam forum?
crimson folio
now thats a big think
mild ginkgo
for the record, i dont think this is a bug with dusk, but rather your system/config
the bindings for your controller are in the mappings folder
you can edit it however you wish
livid pasture
Imagine playing an FPS with a controller
crimson folio
I played Doom 16 with a controller once
tardy slate
today i learned that all spread based weapons in dusk have a rectangle-limited spread (pistols, shotguns, assault rifle)
and also i found out that a single pistol has a purpose - it's more accurate holy shit
left - double pistols
right - one pistol, same distance
there is no difference between the double shotgun and a single shotgun however
neat
here are the weapons ranked on their spread
SSG, Double/single shotgun, assault rifle, double pistols, single pistol
round quail
amber sparrow
I realised that as soon as I gave myself fast fire 5 times and fired at a wall
Doesn't everyone do that
Is it just me
amber sparrow
Also, rivets are affected by knockback and if you manage to make your beam of rivets dense enough they will fly all over the place from the explosions
Or actually, not really over the place. It's consistent.
amber sparrow
Also the accuracy debuff on the dual pistols is the reason I barely use them
mild ginkgo
for the record
the assault rifle has zero spread on the first shot
so you can chaingun tap like in doom
thorn trout
@tardy slate yeah good finds. All correct.
The reason they have a rectangular spread instead of a normal spread is because it feels more "fair," and means you're better able to spray for mob control or use shotgun blasts to kill multiple enemies
real ridge
Hi everyone, I am new to Discord and Dusk Multiplayer. When I try to find servers, it shows me a link which redirects me here instead. Is there a way I can make the servers appear in the server list? Thanks
mild ginkgo
its possible there are no servers currently available
you can host one, or ask someone else to ofc
#lfg-signup will get you started in this process
we have a whole channel for finding duskworld games
amber sparrow
Also the mortar adds your momentum to the grenade's when firing in singleplayer. But not in multiplayer.
Which makes me use the mortar in only very specific situations in the campaign.
Considering how big the momentum Duskdude is moving with is, I know why it feels completely unreliable most of the time to me.
CS games have this mechanic, but there the throws aren't something you want to continuously hit the enemy with during combat, but rather occasional moves in specific situations that you've already set up.
If the mortar was as simple in SP asn in MP I'd probably find it much more usable.
mild ginkgo
it actually adds your momentum twice as much in multiplayer
jagged ferry
perci:
500: "Actually, quantum mechanics forbids this"
amber sparrow
it actually adds your momentum twice as much in multiplayer
@mild ginkgo huh?
pretty sure my grenades went to the same place consistently when I tried it by firing from the same spot, at the same angle, with different movement
mild ginkgo
thats because it factors in your movement twice as much
so you reach the sort of terminal velocity of a grenade far easier
amber sparrow
It absolutely doesn't seem to be the case
Launch velocity appears to be completely consistent
I'm jumping up and down on a jump pad, firing in the same direction, and the grenades all follow the same trajectory and explode within the same amount of space as the space my jumps take up
Did this with strafing and moving back and forth on the ground too
More simply put, my shots go where I'm aiming, and I don't mind that, even if it's unintentional.
Ummmm.... Why does the riveter do 20 self damage up close but 30 from farther away?
Wait. So it does 20 at the center, 10 at the edge. I am guessing they overlap at a certain distance and add together.
Or maybe not. It seems to be random
It's not even done all at once
It rapidly hits me 1 to 3 times for 10 damage, but 3 is rare, and it's consistently 1 when I'm trying to jump
mild ginkgo
vertical momentum doesnt apply
thats your error
it absolutely does factor in your movement momentum on the ground however
try firing vs firing while bunnyhopping
amber sparrow
Same trajectory
Try it
The shots are perfectly parallel even when fired from different running speeds
And I personally don't want it to be any other way.
mild ginkgo
they are not , they may appear to be, but theres a significant difference in launch distance
amber sparrow
Try it
mild ginkgo
i coded it
its possible it was bugged in a recent patch
but thats not the intended behavior
will look into it tomorrow
amber sparrow
I am absolutely fine with my shots going where I'm aiming, though.
Weird inconsistencies worry me a lot more than shots not going all over the place, so I don't think the latter should really be a priority if there's anything to be done.
I'm not complaining. It's just that this is a very minor, and actually rather pleasant thing compared to some other things.
Which I have also accepted as they are at this point. Duskworld is a bit of a janky mess and that might just be its essence so I'm fine with it personally.
amber sparrow
There is a 2D Team Fortress 2 demake made with Game Maker called Gang Garrison 2 and there the fast projectiles (bullets and needles) have the added player velocity, while mines and rockets don't. Which makes sense
mild ginkgo
yeah, the mortar grenades are the only thing that inherity velocity in dusk
and in early versions, it did not
but that was changed along the way after player feedback
the grenades were FAR too slow early on
amber sparrow
There is a 2D Team Fortress 2 demake made with Game Maker called Gang Garrison 2 and there the fast projectiles (bullets and needles) have the added player velocity, while mines and rockets don't. Which makes sense
Because otherwise the movement speed would be disproportionally large compared to projectile speed. Scout is pretty fast, though, so a large part of his gameplay is compensating for it in order to land pellets... Which I suck at like many others since the usual way of thinking is "where to shoot in relation to the map" rather than "where to shoot in relation to my position"
mild ginkgo
yeah, theres a weird learning curve to that kind of thing
thats also why being able to detonate mortars is helpful in dusk
you dont have to hit your target, just get near them
direct hits with the mortar provide zero additional damage
where the riveter does
amber sparrow
One way of doing this would be to ignore both vertical player velocity and strafe velocity, only keeping forward/backward speed
So you have the ability to control range with movement, with the grenades still going in the direction you're aiming
mild ginkgo
we tried that, unfortunately it just feels extremely unnatural
duskworld 2.0 might switch it up a bit
but i doubt the base single player game will change
ofc you will be able to mod it
and who knows, if a mod like that were to prove very popular, we could always roll the changes into the base game
we prefer to listen to what our players want
theyre the ones that have to play the game after all
amber sparrow
If the problem was just that they were slow, they could be made faster, perhaps with increased gravity
A higher speed would also make the speed addition less disturbing, though.
elder agate
anyone know why can't select levels even if I've imported my saves?
it's like it doesn't read any progress :(
graceful wing
You didn't import both files probably
You need the scores file as well. That contains your progress data
elder agate
@graceful wing well, I've used GOG cloud saves...
I guess they don't pick those files?
graceful wing
You need the scores file regardless
They're separate entities
The saves do work cross platform if that's what you mean
elder agate
No i mean I've installed the game on another PC and downloaded saves from GOG cloud
shouldn't those files be uploaded anyway on the servers?
otherwise those cloud saves are pretty useless
graceful wing
Do you have the scores file in the correct folder?
mild ginkgo
yeah, the scores file is the important part
eternal burrow
graceful wing
👍
worldly beacon
Please bring Dusk and Amid Evil over to the Xbox One. The console desperately needs more old-school first person shooters.
jade root
Other consoles maybe planned after switch port
graceful wing
the xbox desperately needs games period
crimson folio
xbox
rocky lichen
where ppl strafe jump/bunny in dusk vids, it doesn't really work, does it? i think dusk moves faster strafing but jumping doesnt affect it?
small halo
have to be strafing for the speed boost from continued bunnyhopping to kick in, and once the speed boost is there you don't have to keep strafing, just keep bunnyhopping
jade root
Yes
It does it affect it
Strafe jumping speeds you up
It is like one of the key features of the game
thorny basalt
Hehe strafe man go zoom
ebon mica
will there be more official episodes?
jagged ferry
will mirror mode ever be made into an option like intruder instead of being left as a cheat
find out next episode on: dragonball z
ebon mica
darn
rocky lichen
i dont think jumping adds any speed, i think strafe+forward is the only part that adds any speed in dusk
jagged ferry
you are objectively incorrect
fastest movement tech in dusk is diagonal hopping
outside of like explosives and glitches and whatever
rocky lichen
im fine with being incorrect, i'm just not aware that the magnitude of the players velocity is increased by any vertical movement
unless it was specifically added to apply a boost of some sorts
amber sparrow
Make sure you jump continuously. It gives you a noticeable speed boost in a second or two. A few jumps won't be that noticeable
To jump continuously, it's best to just hold the jump key when hitting the ground. You will jump automatically as long as you've re-pressed the button since your last jump.
rocky lichen
thanks, i'll try it, i just never noticed. im pretty sure one of the devs said strafe jumping or bunny hopping wasn't in
rocky lichen
so how much of speed boost does strafe jumping actually provide?
jagged ferry
a lot
fair mirage
you might've mixed dusk up with ae cos the only movement trick i can think of is planetjumping in that
jagged ferry
that said planetjumping is incredibly useful in ae
rocky lichen
that's interesting to know, thanks, i wish i could remember where i thought i read that only strafe moving was possible. is there a way of getting a speed readout in dusk to see how much of an increase there is?
amber sparrow
@rocky lichen Quake strafejumping and circlejumping doesn't work in Dusk afaik
jagged ferry
strafejumping in dusk is literally diagonal movement and spamming jump
amber sparrow
Yes
balmy sluice
@mild ginkgo how much faster do you go at max bhop speed than walking?
jagged ferry
you can swap diagonals, you can keep going in one diagonal direction, momentum doesn't stop as long as you're holding a diagonal and spamming jump
it's very forgiving
amber sparrow
Dusk has:
-a higher movement speed when strafing AND moving forward/backward at the same time because the speed vectors just add together (afaik)
-speed boost from continuous jumping, which increases and isn't actually lost if you hit a wall (I think)
jagged ferry
that's correct
amber sparrow
I've also heard that backward speed is higher than forward speed, but I'd take that with a heap of salt
Considering David even pointed out in the dev commentary in December that "players expect to move with the same speed in all directions" or something like that
jagged ferry
I've also heard that backward speed is higher than forward speed
yeah i don't think that's true
amber sparrow
Me neither
jagged ferry
primarily because if it was it'd definitely play at least some role in speedruns
and i've never seen a speedrun where the runner intentionally goes backwards for extra speed
of dusk i mean
amber sparrow
accelerated backhop
By the way I feel like the intended way to handle the first two fork maidens in the game is to end the level
Fighting two tanky enemies whose main weakness is range in a small closed space isn't fun
Actually, all enemies' main weakness is range. Nothing makes them special in that aspect
Lol Jakob says "They were unworthy" even if you don't kill the duke bros
jagged ferry
i mean to be fair
if you can just straight up "ight imma head out" on their asses
are they really worthy?
jagged ferry
amber sparrow
loal (seizure warning I guess) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1aZqMTzXHE
rocky lichen
speed boost from continuous jumping, which increases and isn't actually lost if you hit a wall (I think)
@amber sparrow this is interesting, i wonder if the jump speed boost is added based on it's internal speed or it's actual velocity
crimson folio
Why does the Cyrillic text look so awful?? In the sense that he sometimes climbs out of bounds, and the translation is not always accurate
simple pilot
because the translations were outsourced to god knows what company
crimson folio
Google translate
mild ginkgo
we arent russian, so its very hard to ensure it is accurate
granted, literal russians translated it, so it was the best we could reasonably do with the amount of resources we could put into it
graceful wing
^ the russian translation in dusk was commissioned to a professional localization house
simple pilot
snort
simple pilot
snort snort
prisma halo
@crimson folio
In the sense that he sometimes climbs out of bounds
Do you mean the text gets cut off or word wrapped? That sounds like an oversight, do you have a screenshot of where it happens?
gleaming berry
halcyon nymph
anyone got an idea of when the console releases of DUSK are coming out?
crimson folio
switch release when @mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
prisma halo
Here you go
mild ginkgo
Lol
fair mirage
zing
halcyon nymph
darn
simple pilot
crimson folio
I hope one day we can bring some dusk custom maps and mods to the switch port so I can show big john skyboxes
simple pilot
i think thats impossible legal wise
crimson folio
big john is evil
vague egret
big john is a wholesome wonderful person
you take that back
round quail
aight
i wanna hear the takes
what is big john doing in the canon of dusk
i think hes a sadistic man who killed the leaders of the army and took their place to strike a deal with the cultists so that they would use the soldiers as meat and peons. John is in it just for how much he loves pain, death and soulless murder everywhere he marches.
opal plover
I think he's just an action hero type dude
Except he's so clueless that he has no idea that there's this whole demonic fiasco going on
jagged ferry
i'm with manni
big john is too much of a gigathad to care about things like the state of the world or what's happening around him
earnest cloud
Which is probably why he doesn't show up in dweller in darkness
thorn trout
Big John is another deity like Nyarlathotep
opal plover
Big John is Azathoth
jagged ferry
big john is big john
visual mica
fuck the relevance of big john
how does some backwater town in Pennsylvania have military testing chambers and tunnels that lead to a reactor that's right under a city?
earnest cloud
I mean would you expect a military base in a swamp town?
I wouldn't
I mean there was a cult that lived in an old movie theater where my mom used to live.
jagged ferry
because big john demands it
earnest cloud
Yeah what leaf said
cinder monolith
hey i have a question ... is it possible to run a dusk server where your friends can join over the internet ?
vague egret
yes. run duskworld and create server
amber sparrow
I love how simple it is
When I first did it I thought it would just make a LAN despite the tickbox
Then saw an other dude while I was screwing around and was suprised
cinder monolith
but i want it over the internet
which ports do i have to s
open
not LAN ... over internet...(I already have a dns for my ip)
amber sparrow
What I'm saying is that if you click "create server" it will host it to the internet
So just do that and it is done
vague egret
are you on the GOG version? you may have to forward port 7777
otherwise you just create server on the steam version
white mango
Playing through Dusk for the first time. Man, E1M6 made me sweat, made me feel like I was in that movie The Descent with the way the light plays with fov
vivid ridge
man a dusk level as scary as that movie would make me piss my pants that's kind of a good idea
amber sparrow
As far as I know FOV is completely static in Dusk (besides zooming)
opal plover
The Descent was scary until the monsters showed up
amber sparrow
Aren't you talking about Unseen?
By the way I think all episodes are better than the previous one.
vivid ridge
Honestly I thought it made the movie creepier knowing there's something that's able to survive down there with you snuffing you out
amber sparrow
Oh you're talking about a movie ok
white mango
The fov is static, but when you get in those dark areas with only your flash light, it really messed with my perception, that's what I mean
It becomes incredibly claustrophobic
delicate sail
If you guys are getting as bored as me hanging out at home, the 8 hour DUSK anniversary stream is a good occupation to binge through:
alpine dagger
Anyone here remember this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drD6pWAKnJk
I was a fan before even touch the game
Such a good trailer
delicate sail
Ye
I added the IDKFA mod to DOOM some time in 2017 and liked it so much that I looked into what Andrew waa up to besides that. DUSK was an instabuy
ebon radish
my friend told me about it and i instantly fell in love
ocean swan
Hey everyone! There was a tweet a while ago from the dev (like two months ago on Twitter), looking for translators. I sent an email that I'm up for doing the Hungarian translation, but haven't heard back anything. Does someone have any info regarding localization?
delicate sail
I'd probably just hit up Dave via Twitter DM and ask
Although the process has been a little... eh...
ocean swan
Like, eh, what? 😄 Non-existent or slow? 😄
delicate sail
I did the same last year and Dave sent me the documents. I did the German translation and have heard back very sporadically. Eventually it was comissioned to several translation studios, none of which seem to have been able to meet NB's quality standards. My translations ended up in game to 90%, but I haven't heard much from NB or the translation studio since. One of the Admins did take the time and send very comprehensive answers to how the process went and stuff, so that's cool I guess.
ocean swan
Oh, wow, so it wasn't without bumps. I just checked the tweet, and I was wrong, it happened in last November.
crimson folio
hey guys, Dusk is crashing whilst loading tunes, can someone help me with this. (sorry if im writing in the wrong channel 🙂 )
ocean swan
btw, I can't DM the dev, because it's disabled for him on Twitter 😄
amber sparrow
@ocean swan Are you actually translating the game to Hungarian? Need help?
delicate sail
Dave should have open DMs. It's Dave Oshry, not David Szymanski
amber sparrow
I thought about doing it but thought it'd be unnecessary
Though the name doesn't imply what you're translating
crimson folio
Nahát, már van Magyarosítás?
ocean swan
@crimson folio , @amber sparrow Nope, there isn't. I sent an email to the dev back in November 2019, when he sent the tweet about looking for translators, but no response.
crimson folio
Aw, thats sad.
I was thinking about translating Dusk too, but, as it seems like neiter of us got feedback.
amber sparrow
Alkony
crimson folio
haha
amber sparrow
There isn't a lot to be translated, though. Just the occasional subtitles, menus, flavor texts, that's it.
Dusk doesn't have a whole ton of dialogue.
ocean swan
yeah, I know, but since they asked ppl in the tweet, I thought I'd try.
crimson folio
But a little bit of localization wouldn't hurt.
amber sparrow
David does check this channel from time to time.
crimson folio
Does spacemen have a hungarian translation yet?
ocean swan
Spacemen?
crimson folio
I swear, the rhytm game clone hero had more lines haha
ocean swan
😄