Look forward to his dark forces source port
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
jade root
thorn trout
Nobody at NB is going "meh we don't care about the SDK, we'd rather meme"
crimson folio
^
crimson folio
When sdk comes out, I will remake blood with it.
Maybe not the whole game, but at least the entire first level.
standing on the cartdog is weird.
I remember clipping out of the map E1M9
faint lantern
I honestly like dev screenshots & shit
fleet sierra
dusk good
crimson folio
Dusk good.
eager bluff
You can stay on integer (or non-integer to one decimal point which is close enough) in the horizontal and vertical scaling in DSR x2.25 and x4 though.
If your native resolution is 2560x1440, then 3840x2160 and 5120x2880 are resolution options are all perfect with no blur.
The rest are blurry which is why these DSR resolutions typically look bad.
This is mostly the fault of Nvidia giving people too many options instead of just the good ones.
balmy sluice
😬
eager bluff
x2.25 and x4 though do divide up well though, so if you are using downsampling from x2.25 and x4 native resolution, the pixels from DSR to native resolution divide up nice and evenly along the horizontal/vertical plane which removes blurring from the image
rare musk
That's not what anybody means when they say "integer scaling"
simple pilot
gamepad games
rare musk
It pretty much universally means integer multiples in both horizontal and vertical resolutions
eager bluff
whole numbers, in other words
eager bluff
the point is that DSR in x2.25 and x4 are integer scaling (technically 2.25 is 1.5 but its good enough)
rare musk
Do you not understand the word 'integer' or something?
eager bluff
i already said that x2.25 wasn't a perfect integer scale
just that it was close enough not to look blurry
muted berry
?wiki Dunning-Kruger effect
slow harness
It's .wiki you poo
eager bluff
@muted berry ironic, considering you don't even know what is being talked about
muted berry
Dunning-Kruger effect (edited)
slow harness
Who's Dunning-Kruger
mild ginkgo
Ur nan
slow harness
Shit the fuck up lain
muted berry
His nan is a nice lady.
muted berry
Don't talk ill of her Scott.
jade root
thats messed up
muted berry
I met her at bingo.
slow harness
A human that brings me up?
mild ginkgo
Nah ur grandmother
final estuary
what about nand
muted berry
Nah, there's NaN and xand.
eager bluff
I think Dr. Skeleton doesn't understand what is being talked about, so he is trying to use as close to an insult towards a target as a moderator is allowed to (who didn't initiate the use the personal insults) in order to derail the conversation.
Which is pointless because beyond "x2.25 and x4 good" there isn't much to say.
final estuary
if he wanted to use something close to an insult he would just insult you lmao
crimson folio
E2M2 is creeping the shit out of me rn/
muted berry
Just turn on clown vomit.
mild ginkgo
I tried 2.25 and is was visually not good
eager bluff
@crimson folio what would you think if a lot of the game was like that? Would it be creepy or would just get annoyed at visibility being limited to 30 degrees?
slow harness
Especially into the thresher
mild ginkgo
If you wanna talk about it
crimson folio
That red key is a fucking trap isnt it?
slow harness
No
jade root
maybeeeeeeeeeeeee
slow harness
Go pick it up
eager bluff
@mild ginkgo what is your monitor resolution
mild ginkgo
1440p
final estuary
Go on, take it. Taste the power.
eager bluff
So my next question is did you like x4?
mild ginkgo
No, but it had the least visual downgrade
It's what I would call fine
Like it works as intended
eager bluff
I can honestly count the number of people who think x4 native resolution scaling looks bad on one hand.
eager bluff
Well, a preference is a preference.
eager bluff
I have yet to see a game that didn't look much better with x4
muted berry
🤢
eager bluff
Do you mean downscaled to 1080p?
crimson folio
why are you guys still talking about resolution?
eager bluff
I'm not sure I've ever seen a situation where a game looks better at 1080p than a higher resolution if the higher resolution is native to the monitor.
Can you name an example?
mild ginkgo
Play some itchio pixel art games
eager bluff
Like 2D side scrollers?
mild ginkgo
Take your pick, you'll have to find one that was authored to that specific resolution, but they're out there
Ofc, if your res is a multiple of 1080 it'll look fine
Mine is not
eager bluff
I'm looking at the titles on https://itch.io/games/tag-pixel-art but to be honest, non first-person perspective games are usually not even within my frame of reference.
mild ginkgo
Fair fair
3d games are definitely a very different thing
And mostly look pretty decent with it on
royal herald
it took me months to get the movement down for my fps game. it took me two collective hours to get my 2d game's movement fully functional
very different
eager bluff
https://tanalin.com/en/articles/integer-scaling/ so basically you were talking about this
mild ginkgo
I assume so yeah
simple pilot
Gamepad Gaming
eager bluff
when i was talking about the mathematic ratios used in verticle/horizontal pixel scaling
mild ginkgo
Yep pretty much
eager bluff
Fair enough.
I wouldn't say that x4 DSR doesn't need smoothing, I just found it doesn't need much, like 8%, where 2.25 needs like 16%
mild ginkgo
I was okay with it at zero
Seemed good
But then, I kind of prefer a bit more aliased look
eager bluff
That actually makes sense then.
People who like an aliased look are not going to like DSR and vice-versa.
mild ginkgo
If I have to chose between blurry smoothed AA or some jagged edges I usually opt for the edges
mild ginkgo
Except in the new MW holy shit that game has visual issues with AA and non AA
Maybe I should DSR that
Itd probably look nicer
eager bluff
I have found generally games that force FXAA like Sleeping Dogs look infinitely better with x2.25 DSR than just native resolution, it reduces a lot of the blurriness of FXAA, which I can't do anything about in that game.
eager bluff
I played in Dusk in x4 though, I thought it looked great.
Pixel art games in 3D have an issue with pixel shimmer on textures at oblique angles far away (made worse if anisotropic filtering is disabled or the linear mip-mapping is disabled)
I found that in Dusk, Amid Evil and Ion Fury that pixel shimmer is reduced substantially at x4.
mild ginkgo
Yeah the lack of mipmapping definitely hurts a bit in that dept
eager bluff
I've wondered if it would be possible to force higher levels an anisotropic filtering to solve that issue.
muted berry
The best resolution is when I play the game.
eager bluff
But maybe the 3D card driver needs to support anisotropic filtering higher than x16 or its not possible. I don't know.
thorn trout
I usually opt for no AA but that's becoming increasingly less viable in games without everything turning into a glittery mess
Like, I keep AA on in Dishonored 2 because without it it's just constant shimmering on every surface
graceful wing
AA is a must on bigger monitors. not really optional with most games tbh
thorn trout
There was a period of time where it was, and it's still nicer to have it off in a lot of older games
muted berry
As a man of certain interests, I like the sparkling.
viral gate
I prefer whatever AA method I can get, aliasing bothers me a lot
viral gate
Depending on the implementation Temporal AA methods can look pretty sharp on high res monitors
With older games it's a delight
Having so much headroom to crank that MSAA to 8x at 1440p 144hz
👌
Far Cry 2 is a good example of this
Just looks picture perfect
muted berry
Far Cry 2 is a good game.
viral gate
Great for games like FEAR and Condemned, last time I played those two it worked without a hitch with the input fix
muted berry
Imagine Far Cry 2 rebuilt using the DUSDK.
muted berry
Using a sickle to pull a crossbolt out.
viral gate
😬
crimson folio
yall have any tips for a newcomer?
on the server or the game?
the game
@crimson folio see enemies, shoot them. dont walk, run.
epic
junior remnant
Do a flip and rivets everything
short rover
ok i had the Dusk resolution lock itself at 800x500 again. the way to fix: edit the .ini back to the proper res, and set the file to Read Only. then relaunch. a reinstall of the game might be necessary beforehand, as well as deleting all of the unity files/folders.
crimson folio
Dusk is best played in 1920x1080 resolution.
small halo
almost the best way to play dusk tbh https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/218616668006514688/654749599055085578/519860_20191212182104_1.png
just need to reduce resolution, make the crosshair permanently the S sign and adjust the recolour to make everything eye searing pink
loud karma
My eyes hurt from that
10/10
junior remnant
DUSK Nightmare Speedrun Clown Vomit%
thorn trout
I made the game and I can't even te what level that is
crimson folio
Dusk is what I play when I want to brutally murder cultists.
David when do I play DUSK at 5 pixels.
wheat zinc
Dusk for the commodore 64
crimson folio
Dusk for gameboy.
junior remnant
Doom on Dusk when
hasty breach
dusk coop but instead of multiple treasure hunters its unpossessed soldiers and cultists just like the models in duskworld
hasty breach
would it work?
jagged ferry
more then most solo-stories-turned-coop do
jagged ferry
Good.
but will it be a hat in time online party chaotic
rhetorical question, the answer is no
crimson folio
Theres gonna be that moment when a single person finishes the level before that afk dude gets a single shot.
jagged ferry
but you're never gonna have 50 players trying to navigate an area meant for one person
jagged ferry
well
without mods
i could see someone making a 50 player coop mod
at some point
crimson folio
10 players is already chaotic enough.
jagged ferry
i really doubt it'll be in vanilla
...then again, a hat in time did it vanilla
so what the fuck
crimson folio
David is the kind to have the maximum amount of players at 10.
crimson folio
And as we already know, 10 is already crazy enough.
You know what's even worse?
The fucking cheat codes.
crimson folio
Imagine a 10 players server in a level with "nbff" types 70 times.
jagged ferry
I JUST REMEMBERED I WAS GONNA DO A MIRROR RUN AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET
...eh it'll have to wait a few days i'm busy
i'm fine, i'm free til the 7th
jagged ferry
what? oh yeah
jagged ferry
ok highkey though nbff is great
that and the infinite ammo cheat
probably some of the funniest shit you can have in a game
crimson folio
But with 10 players doing that
timber ferry
Lol. I was in one of those decino doom coop livestreams and it was extremely chaotic.
crimson folio
What a coincidence. I just watched one of his vids.
faint lantern
Hat in time allowed like 100 players at once or something, they just synced player position and animation and nothing else
It was more playing solo and seeing other peoples playing at the same time than actual MP
crimson folio
Yeah
it's more like ghosts in dark souls
you can just see them not interact with them
faint lantern
Ghosts aren't synced at all iirc
Also hat in time lets you do emotes and the other players will see it, etc
crimson folio
Yo, got Dusk on the sales
Sometimes dusk dude struggles a bit to cross stairs, is it normal?
(Nothing too bad tbh, just hup and problem solved, I'm just curious)
eager bluff
@crimson folio screenshot?
crimson folio
I have none, but it's like hitting a small wall
slow harness
yeah
crimson folio
Also, if you set the game on spanish on Steam, the game starts on polish
eager bluff
lol
crimson folio
It's actually cool, now I'm learning polski with Dusk, so Dusk is an educational game now
eager bluff
i honestly wouldn't know, i beat dusk rather quickly and moved on, although i've been meaning to do the whole thing again on intruder mode
crimson folio
So far I've learn uuh
Pistolet, wich means pistol
And morale, wich means pistol
I mean, morale
What is intruder mode?
primal cove
Hello! Can I still get a free Gog version of the game if it is on Steam?
crimson folio
Idk, can you?
eager bluff
What is intruder mode? start each level without anything but the Sickles
primal cove
@slow harness ok, tnx.
crimson folio
I wish I had a gog exe of Dusk just to share it with some young lads I know
Couldn't get them to play ye olde Doom, but I think Dusk would be a great intro to 90s fps
olive cloud
Amid evil?
lament wren
Does anyone know if there's a "Masters of Doom" kinda thing in the works about Dusk? Would be super interested in it
dim star
dont think so but we got a developer commentary stream a bit ago where david (the developer), dave (the producer) and andrew (the composer) play through the whole game together while talking about its creation
lament wren
Thanks so much!
crimson folio
Dusk is a pretty good game.
i dont say anything here like that because i feel like other people wil say im doing it to be nice or to get on the devs good side
What do you mean by that?
The developers have their own views on the game.
like i dont say anything about dusk on this server because i feel like its just gunna make people think im tryin to get on the devs good side
Personally.
balmy sluice
people say dusk is good all the time
crimson folio
I think dusk is a pretty good game.
balmy sluice
people also ironically and unironically say it sucks
crimson folio
True.
balmy sluice
speak yo mind
crimson folio
imean yeah its badass and great but i dont say that
crimson folio
its like talking about porn to your parents
"Dusk is good but I wont say it because ya know" - Kermit The Frog
thats not what i said exactaly but ok
If you think it's a good game, say it's a good game.
its a good game
The developers really don't mind.
Right, david?
idt hes answering that
Oh, he will.
I know he will.
In fact, he's probably reading this right now.
balmy sluice
I see his ass online. Hes just drafting the perfect reply.
crimson folio
Damn straight!
He better be.
im just flingin around a butterfly knife like a mad man waiting for it
wyd
actualy no
thats invasion of privasy
David's just psychologically laughing right now, I sense it.
jagged ferry
...how does one psychologically laugh
crimson folio
idfk
I might have to google that, brb.
Hmm.
question, i got fiber glass in my arm
balmy sluice
Thats a topic for #bnnuy-and-the-jits at this point my man
balmy sluice
🙏
crimson folio
olive cloud
crimson folio
lament wren
Excuse me how is fiber glass stuck in arm not a Dusk discussion can I speak to the manager
crimson folio
So what makes something a dusk related discussion? A chainsaw in my ass?
thatd be relatable
So you HAVE HAD a chainsaw in your arse!
lament wren
tell no one
crimson folio
How did it feel?
lament wren
Like a NSFW discussion
lament wren
Excuse me that goes in #scoreboard
crimson folio
Excuse me that goes in #nsfw-channel-that-doesnt-exist
jade root
your 13y/o-ness is showing, kermit
lament wren
People never like it when I talk ass.
simple pilot
spare cobalt
whats going on here hmm?
crimson folio
Nothing worthy of your time.
vague egret
hollow ivyBOT
spare cobalt
you clearly have no clue about my time pricing
crimson folio
$1 for a minute?
lament wren
Ok I was about to type something, but like, no
crimson folio
Pff
crimson folio
ok its been more than an hour and he hasnt replied idt hell reply
It's okay. David's probably busy watching CATS.
Typical dave.
wdym by cats
lament wren
the movie
lament wren
Unfortunately so
lament wren
who is that your dad?
crimson folio
Bruh.
balmy sluice
thorn trout
I don't mind
lament wren
Did the word dad summon David
spare cobalt
bet its offtopic :P
crimson folio
Orange person, do not interfere.
final estuary
Anyone got an hq version of the dusk steam library art
crimson folio
"GIVE US YOUR MONEY!!" this scares me
vale oar
proper spade
are cowgirls immune to their splash damage?
crimson folio
It appears to be true, yes.
atomic egret
we assumed you hate money too so we're just taking the burden of it off of you @vale oar
flat juniper
SDK COMING SOON
only the OGs remember that Dave said SDK coming last week 😦
shid sug
prisma halo
Some stuff came up unfortunately, more on that later
all I'll say is that it's still coming this month
jagged ferry
👀
viral gate
simple pilot
tardy slate
"this month"
the fuck did i miss
jagged ferry
Yes.
crimson folio
Models fucked up 
prisma halo
That was related, but not the cause
crimson folio
Exporter fucked up?
rocky lichen
olive cloud
Yea
ruby cloud
Do you like Doom and Blood and other games like them?
ruby cloud
Dusk does serve as a decent introduction as well considering its modern controls. I'd definitely recommend picking it up.
Besides, if you don't like you can still refund over steam with under 2 hours play time
And you should know by 2 hours in if you like it or not
round sinew
okay thanks im going to buy it
ruby cloud
If it helps, I did love the game
ruby cloud
Took me 15 hours
I was playing on second hardest difficulty though
And repeated that massive factory level before Big John though
many times
round sinew
okay thanks a lot
ruby cloud
And if you end up liking Dusk, try picking up Blood next
faint lantern
or amid evil
ruby cloud
Grab Amid Evil if you wanna support New Blood, but Blood is closer to Dusk in terms of thematics and gameplay
round sinew
okay thanks
I already have unfortunate spacemen and now dusk so I think I support them well already :)
anyway, im going to install Dusk now, thanks a lot for your help
round sinew
okay
crimson folio
Remember to complete all achievements as well.
round sinew
yeah sure
crimson folio
stone quarry
Going for achievements is for boomers. I play for the hunting rifle trickshots homie
crimson folio
Ok boomer.
Still can't send images but
Good thing I had a twitter to send a quick one over
crimson folio
Nice.
pearl ibex
crimson folio
^for sdk and coop of course.
fathom drum
Unless I’m mistaken isn’t dusk supposed to get co-op at some point?
also pumped asf for mod support
drowsy oriole
Yes, after the sdk
fathom drum
jagged ferry
god i wish mirror mode was a setting like intruder mode instead of a cheat
hate having to retype it every time i load
just
in general
crimson folio
Alright uhh
Apparently just like source games you can stand on an object and repeatedly throw it down, jump and catch it and repeat and that elevates you considerably
It was very effective in the alpha build
But not so much in the final game
Still it reminded me of a Portal run without any portals
That technique being used
Good stuff
Don't know if people already knew about it
simple pilot
crimson folio
hasty breach
propjumping is useful for save scumming duskmare, i dont want to waste morale or health abusing physics to my favour
mostly morale but i want that 200 health there for ego
faint lantern
v e r y s o o n
weak bluff
crimson folio
what
SDK and coop.
Coming soon.
Can't believe Zombie actually said this month like now everyone's gonna be mad again when it doesn't come out this month
vague egret
meh
people will get over it. now you know why we dont give dates or estimates like that
faint lantern
Devs like to tell peoples to not use bloom but I'd argue the real warcrime is texture filtering
thorn trout
Zombie worked over Christmas frantically trying to port over to his plan B after running into a code bug in Unity. Several of us are also crunching atm to help get it done
dim star
dont be too hard on yourselves, it'll be done when it's done
crimson folio
I mean noone believed it would be out this month anyway
slow harness
I still don't believe it's gonna come out soon lmoa
royal herald
Whatever the devs do they're in a tough spot because if they don't give a release date then people are like "bruh when does it come out," and then if they do give a release date they have to crunch
steady aurora
So they stick with the usual and let Dave tease on his Twitter a couple times a month or every couple months; people always going to be asking and getting in response 'soon'
thorn trout
we don't give release dates because we always miss them
People get mad about "Soon" but the wouldn't be any happier if we kept giving actual dates and then kept going "oops just kidding"
graceful wing
there literally hasn't been a single case where we've hit an internal release date
so we just don't make promises we can't keep
i know the "soon™️" responses might get annoying at times but it's a far better option than the alternative
thanks for being patient with us y'all
full sandal
it's more fun to meme about "soon(tm)" than it is to meme about missing release dates
and you guys always do good work so i'm fine with waiting
graceful wing
as i always say, game development is extremely unpredictable. there's so many variables that can change without warning
unexpected bugs, personal life etc just to name a few
cloud gazelle
very®️ soon™️
crimson folio
VERY SOON
gusty folio
Holy shit
I just finished as above so below
Oh oops
Dweller in darkness
Christ
I actually pulled a muscle in my right arm
I was breathing hard as shit by the end
That was hype
jagged ferry
when it's so intense you pull a musckle
gusty folio
Only dusk
faint lantern
If dusk new game + max difficulty doesn't end with nyarthalotep feet pics as a reward I'm gonna sue
weak bluff
The nyarthalotep base pose model
faint lantern
Not with that attitude
weak bluff
Unicorn
thorn trout
solar olive
Dusk, but every texture is replaced with oshry's image.
thorn trout
Someone better do that
spare cobalt
first dusk mod will either be doom e1m1 or oshrydusk
slow harness
the first dusk mod will be 2 brushes and on one of them is a texture with "first" written on it
crimson folio
Better
DUSK but every texture is replaced with a cats image.
Like a frame of the cats movie.
weak bluff
Chex quest: dusk
mellow pond
why was the gog connect a temporary thing? just as a question
covert nest
@thorn trout i found a good use for old PS2 cases once you lose your memory card
someone hire me
thorn trout
lol
ebon radish
if dusk were a soap, what would it taste like?
ruby swift
DUSK but every enemy is replaced by Big John.
final estuary
why not dusk but you play as big john
covert nest
they said they would release bacon scented soap bars
still waiting on that
actually they should have it to where it makes you smell like campfire smoke, beer, and gunpowder
final estuary
the scent is subject to change
proper spade
I did it! Now I only need the soap and 100% achievements https://twitter.com/nat_dizza/status/1211165599377825792?s=19
charred terrace
Does anyone have the color palette used for DUSK's textures and/or "retro palette" mode? I haven't seen any mention of it in the SDK discussion. I guess its not necessary for custom assets as long as you play with retro palette on, but It would be nice for textures and stuff.
minor reef
you indeed took a shit
thorn trout
@charred terrace not any specific palette I'm afraid
ruby swift
David, in your opinion, what are the best maps for retro pallete and worse maps for bloom?
edgy lion
I’m so happy to replay this game
thorn trout
@ruby swift well, everything in ep1 was meant to be seen with retro palette on. As far as bloom goes, there are a lot of bad sections but I don't think anything beats E3M2
ruby swift
got it, thx.
thorn trout
release day :3
edgy lion
Eh that’s fair
ruby swift
probably you said: I'M FREE!!!
edgy lion
Or I live again
wheat zinc
David, I played all of DUSK with bloom in my first playthrough and really regret it now since seeing that livestream
E3M2 with bloom on is a nightmare
like looking into a solar flare
proper coral
How do I change maps on a dusk server?
edgy lion
Oof idk
proper coral
Nevermind I found out
eager bluff
E3M2 with bloom on is a nightmare bloom almost always just if its just a post-processing effect applied without any discretion
wheat zinc
the part with the bone monks
I can't even see my own crosshair
it's why my crosshair is hot pink now
prisma halo
It's true!
chilly holly
How is
slow harness
Don't crunch yourself non gamer
faint lantern
gamern't
crimson folio
Wow I sure hope new blood™️ releases the Dusk™️ sdk tomorrow
vague egret
Delayed
simple pilot
release 32th December
covert nest
just convinced two of my friends to buy Dusk
edgy lion
Noice
proper spade
I got my bf to play dusk and it's one of his favorite games now
slow harness
it's very rare to get someone to play a certain game and that game becomes their favorite
edgy lion
Ngl I got hyped on Dusk because of the trailer
final estuary
dusk isn't my favorite game of all time but it comes pretty damn close
jade root
Which trailer
edgy lion
The launch trailer
jade root
Ah
edgy lion
Got me hyped with the music
faint lantern
I checked out dusk because reviews I read said it went further than the usual retro fps hommages
Those aren't usually my kind of game but dusk is really fun
unborn lance
when the only reason you find secrets is because you go out of the map and land in a secret
i.e. Sawdust
edgy lion
Oh Ye
serene lily
how can i enable level kills/secrets on the hud?
simple pilot
Tab
unborn lance
imagine putting low skyboxes on levels
crimson folio
Imagine having to see doors under the map while in rooms.
velvet basalt
Hey, is it cool if I drop some screenshots of two different run results that i'm damn proud of here?
atomic egret
course
velvet basalt
Marking them as spoiler just in case but hooh, I doubt i'll top these any time soon
mild ginkgo
Nice nice
velvet basalt
ty
balmy sluice
I see duskmare. I like. gg
small halo
yeah but can you do it low tech
velvet basalt
on duskmare, i doubt i'll be able to do that, but i was able to do it on I can take it
balmy sluice
I believe in u
royal herald
m10 is final boss... bosses right
I'd struggle with boss #1 on duskmare but #2 defenitley not, way easier in comparison
low tech, that is.
when you throw the riveter back into the mix it all becomes easy
velvet basalt
??
stuck peak
is the cero miedo difficulty mode a pentagon jr reference or is that merely a coincidence
mild ginkgo
Yes it is a reference
stuck peak
neat
junior remnant
What if
You want to go to the light
But god said
Who did you expect at the end of all of this?
jade root
Pretty simple tbh
I would say reimu
I deserve a good reward after playing through the river of shit that is dusk
crimson folio
does anyone know a weird player called card dog?
this guy
is not human
if you see him, tag me... thx folks
Cart Dogo
abstract skiff
It's 2020, DUSK 2 might come or a new title from the developer.
crimson folio
That'd be sweet.
crimson folio
Hey guys
just got the game and it's really fun so far
but I kinda feel like it'd be great if it had night vision goggles or some other power-up that'd make enemies\items glow in the dark like in Doom\DN3D
or just a brighter flashlight because I think this game gets really dark all the time
which is cool and very atmospheric but I'm legally blind and trying to navigate with only a weak (IMO) flashlight can get tough
unborn lance
Untouchable: Exists
The Dim Slough: Fuck you
thorn trout
fun fact we are so close to the sdk release that we might get it out before the end of the year, but might not, no promises
torpid locust
But isn’t saying no promises a promise tho 
winter badge
less than 3,5 hours Pog
graceful wing
Before the end of the year when the year is already over for over half of the world 
SDK coming in 2021
crimson folio
SDK in 2020 lets go
rare musk
SDK by end of this decade
crimson folio
when I click Duskwold multiplayer on Linux it throws me into my browser and opens "www.dustworld.exe" which I guess isn't the intended behaviour.
also it says "press E to live again" even though I rebound the key.
thorn trout
@graceful wing over for the wrong half of the world, yeah
IT AIN'T OVER TILL IT'S OVER IN PA
graceful wing
PA is short for Pointless Area
unborn lance
Bruh can I get the SDK early so I can upload the Quake 1 Campaign before anyone else? 
slow harness
@unborn lance you gotta post dusk assets and someone might be faster than you at putting assets into maps
unborn lance
Can't you just port the levels?
slow harness
with enemies and working teleporters and triggers from dusk?
unborn lance
Well ofc not
unborn lance
No, add the assets as well. I got confused when you said "port dusk assets" and thought you meant port the Quake assets to DUSK
prisma halo
Also note that custom model replacements and the console won't make it into this release, but you can replace textures, sounds, fonts and load maps
And to make up for no console, there's a new NBCLIP cheat (noclip)
slow harness
@prisma halo custom model replacements won't be featured because of the model bug thing that happened to you guys?
prisma halo
Nah, that was an unrelated issue that was solved soon after
edgy lion
Happy New Year’s Eve
unborn lance
I just hope it's released in 7 hours, when I'm out of work.
Or released at all today
slow harness
hope it'll get released in 4 hours
lament wren
dusk sdk is awesome news
serene lily
does coop come with the sdk update?
jagged ferry
iirc it's coming a bit later
prisma halo
Yeah coop is later
crimson folio
It's okay, I'll recreate the first Blood level with the SDK as I wait for coop.
crimson folio
dusk: battle royale
prisma halo
it is indeed happening
solar olive
Welcome to Dusk arena
real seal
AHAHAHA
simple pilot
make q2 maps compatible with sdk/trenchbroom
crimson folio
how much effort could it take after all
prisma halo
that's q3dm0.bsp unmodified
no porting was done
I just dumped the bsp and the textures into the game files
simple pilot
what about spawn entities?
prisma halo
spawn entities?
simple pilot
the spot you spawn in the level
real seal
Stupid question, is the Black Philip a reference to The Vvitch?
prisma halo
it looks for info_player_start and info_player_deathmatch
eager bluff
I'm looking forward to the release of the SDK, I hope it comes with a new level too though.
Leon attracting people who are completely over-and-done with AE by putting the RT in a new level instead of a old one was a great way to get people talking about the game again.
proper spade
oh yeah, do we know if it will launch with something on the workshop or if it will be a bit before things start showing up?
although I'm sure doom level recreations will appear quick
prisma halo
Workshop support is coming in a patch, at the moment it's just local mods
In the sense that you have to put them in the game folder
prisma halo
Wouldn't be my decision, so no idea
vague egret
dusk mods will get its own dedicated channel like MaxAx does
it will open the moment the SDK comes available to the public
graceful wing
^ the channel already exists. We just gotta flip the switch to make it visible to the public
prisma halo
could I get access to that? I might put a quick "here are the basics" post up there before I pass out once it goes live
simple pilot
how 2 copy RTCW into Dusk
prisma halo
I think RTCW has a slightly modified version of Q3BSP so it probably won't load unmodified
I'll look into it once we actually have something out that you guys can play with
simple pilot
👌
prisma halo
I'm willing to try and add support for as many BSP versions as possible as long as they aren't Source BSP
prisma halo
q2bsp was already confirmed for the future
simple pilot
sorry i forgot about that
sly path
Yeah but the real question is, when are we getting COD map support?
simple pilot
Direct SiN-2-DuskSDK when
real seal
DUSK but it's Postal when
simple pilot
Mod It In ™️
thorn trout
keep in mind the release we're leading up to rn is decidedly a beta, and will lack a few features that we'll be adding later
most notably stuff like scripting
and custom models
know Zombie already mentioned this but I just want to make sure everyone has their expectations set accordingly. This is a beta release and will be mostly focused on allowing you to edit textures, sounds, and import/play levels
simple pilot
but someone if he try really hard can get around this?
simple pilot
given how the whole game is supposed to be rebuilt
thorn trout
We ran into an unforeseeable issue and we've been spending the last few days frantically trying to port everything over to a plan B setup
@simple pilot the whole game isn't rebuilt yet
simple pilot
i mean for SDK purposes
simple pilot
just take your time
prisma halo
oh yeah
one thing I want to point out
we don't support bezier patches in q3bsp yet
the stock q3 maps make extensive use of those so they may not appear correctly in many areas
eager bluff
for all the extra work you guys are putting in, i hope that means some sort of DLC or sequel is in the planning stages
eager bluff
Its completely an assumption on my part. I just assume when there is a lot of post-launch support, that its a platform that the developer hopes to use in future titles.
My limited understanding of Dusk, is it uses Unity for rendering but a lot of the internals are custom made.
prisma halo
It's still very much a Unity title, but the SDK drifts away from that a little
We have to do our own asset management, for example
eager bluff
Some developers in the past, have called taking an engine and heavily modifying it to be grounds for renaming the engine.
Is Dusk not so heavily modified that it qualifies?
prisma halo
It's a bit of a grey area since we're not really modifying Unity itself
Just abusing the functionality it exposes
eager bluff
So would calling it "Dusk Engine" be inaccurate?
prisma halo
I would say so, yes
solar olive
Dawn engine
prisma halo
Calling it an engine is more convenient though and gets across its purpose, so I don't discourage calling it that
crimson folio
i just followed your chat and i feel like reading the bible
eager bluff
I think a large part of any engine is the way it feels. Dusk feels different than other Unity titles. That is a large part of the game's appeal.
So calling it just "Unity" engine feels wrong even though its technically correct.
prisma halo
David wrote his own character controller for Dusk, instead of using the pre-made ones by Unity that you can download online
eager bluff
IDK, it seems like you guy are adding more and more features that would typically just be done by companies that had long term plans for their engines.
prisma halo
Well, the SDK is being designed with the intention of open sourcing it when it's finished, so people can use it to make more moddable games in Unity
So I'd say you're not wrong in that assumption
eager bluff
I meant with David's character controller, specifically.
A game engine/platform that "feels good" is a sellable quality in and of itself.
sly path
I mean game devs make custom player controllers all the time and just use them on one project.
prisma halo
I dunno, connecting an engine to a character controller doesn't feel right to me
sly path
^
prisma halo
Since a character controller is something relatively independent of the engine itself, it's just a component you can plug into it
It's no more complex than say, programming AI
eager bluff
It could be that when I think of an engine, I think more about it from a consumer perspective.
A engine with a good character controller that feels great, is what I think of when I think about a "good" engine.
prisma halo
But that's the thing, a character controller isn't really part of an engine
It's game-specific
eager bluff
Game code, not engine code.
prisma halo
In some cases you have engines where people happen to use the same character controller for many games though, so I can see where the confusion lies
sly path
The "consumer" perception of a game engine generally just kinda comes from developer/publisher marketing which lumps the game code and engine code together.
thorn trout
also it'd be more accurate to say I wrote my own interface with the character controller, since Dusk still uses that component
eager bluff
I've always felt part of the appeal of the Quake engine was the way the quake engine felt.
prisma halo
An engine doesn't really have a "feel" though
An engine is just a tool you use to create a feel
sly path
And also the fact that back in the day a lot of devs just used the same physics from game to game.
eager bluff
Yeah, I get the feeling I am connecting something that is actually an external component.
prisma halo
A lot of Quake engine games have the same feel because they simply use the same game code for those specific parts
sly path
Which still happens but less so since engine licensing is far more open than it was 20 or so years ago.
prisma halo
It's like how Call of Duty until recently still used the same weapon bobbing code as Quake 3
eager bluff
Its weird then, because I've heard a lot of people say you can't translate the feel of a game or engine from one title to another.
prisma halo
You absolutely can, but the difficulty can differ wildly
thorn trout
Engines do have things they tend to imply, which is how you get the idea of "engine feel"
prisma halo
Because if two engines use different physics engines, you need to figure out how to replicate the exact behavior of physics engine A in B
thorn trout
Like, Unity's reputation for being bad for FPS games has to do with there being common things a lot of developers end up using or doing because they're the easiest or most direct route
prisma halo
I want the standard character controller to burn in a fire
dim star
i kinda keep forgetting it exists which is good for me
prisma halo
Yeah, keep it that way lmao
eager bluff
I wonder how integral the physics component is, or how easy to reverse engineer it is.
prisma halo
It's possibly some of the worst movement ever conceived
sly path
There's definitely some parts of Unity I wish I had access to but then I remember that the Unity Character controller and collision systems exist and end up wanting to stick to Unreal.
prisma halo
Unity just uses PhysX which is open source now
sly path
Same with UE4, but UE4 and Unity are both phasing it out for proprietary things.
prisma halo
Although they're adding Havok support alongside their own inhouse physics soon
sly path
Pretty sure Unity and UE4 also use pretty old versions of PhysX.
eager bluff
Havok is fantastic, except I'm not sure people will be willing to pay the $25,000 or w/e it is they were asking for.
prisma halo
It's free for non-commercial projects
eager bluff
That interesting that you can transfer the feel of a game.
I wonder if using almost the exact same math is required to do that.
sly path
Havok and PhysX aren't really physics black boxes, you still need to tweak a lot of values or even just edit the physics engine code directly.
eager bluff
It stuck me as odd that Quake Champions for all its faults, did actually feel like a Quake engine, despite being Saber Tech
sly path
Which is another reason why Unity has a reputation of being bad for FPS games.
It's just devs not changing the defaults.
Because most physics engines always have really awful but bug proof defaults.
eager bluff
Unity not having good defaults is an actual argument against using the engine.
Not a very good one, but at least I understand it.
sly path
It really isn't. It's dev responsibility to tweak these things and it really isn't that hard.
It's kinda like complaining about UE4 having a 62 FPS framerate cap on by default, it ain't that for the devs to turn it off.
proper spade
It seems like unity gets so much hate because you can find a lot of bad games made with it, but that's just because it made development really accessible, which is a good thing
eager bluff
Either way, if other developers look at Dusk and decide to configure their Unity games accordingly, then maybe Unity can lose the bad reputation.
proper spade
And the bad ones usually don't pay the license, so they say 'made with unity' when you start them up
So if people just go off that, it makes sense that some will make that assumption
But it's a wrong one
eager bluff
That isn't a problem that UE has, thats for sure.
It might be a situation where one engine is known for being good, so everyone holds that up as the one and only engine worth using and all others are trash.
I'm glad that among the Big Three (Dusk/AE/IF) we have a show casing of 3 good ways to make retro FPS titles.
fierce lichen
I've played more good unity games than bad. Can't say the same for Unreal 4 tho
crimson folio
^
eager bluff
I mostly play FPS games and most in UE4 that I've played have been good.
If I played more side scrollers and stuff like that my general view of Unity would probably more positive.
TBH, I'm not big into the indie scene outside of FPS games so the bulk of indie titles might be awesome and I wouldn't really know much about it, especially if they 2D games.
queen coral
Unity is just a tool, and every tool with too low of a barrier of entry will have plenty of trash
just like with RPGM and GM, there are lots of really amazing titles made with these tools tho
small halo
Twitter
small halo
soon as in a few years time 
solar olive
Someday in 2020.
junior remnant
I m surprised there's no meme about the skyrim intro when the last boss finished talking.
reef pecan
Probably just because Dusk is a relatively small community and since the game is so small nobody has felt the need to make a meme from a very specific scene from a very specific game
could be funny tho
solar olive
I've did an E meme with dusk though.
atomic egret
now ae simmo has a friend
weak bluff
Hdusk is something I’m excited for
atomic egret
timber ferry
I’m going to make a mod where the map is just a box that is barely bigger than the player model and I’ll call it “think about what you’ve done”.
Timeout dusk
mighty vortex
my mod idea is to change absolutely nothing because I don't know how to mod.
I call it Dusk 2: It's Literally Just Dusk.
atomic egret
super easy to change textures currently
so if you want to make any sort of texture mod, basically anyone should be capable of that
timber ferry
Similar to Trenchbroom ye?
atomic egret
you can literally change textures drag and drop right now
also yeah if you know how to use trenchboom you know how to make a dusk map
other quake mapping tools should work fine as well but tb is the one we officially support
mighty vortex
time to add billnear texture filtering to dusk
timber ferry
That’s pretty cool. I’ve been porting some Q2 maps to quake to familiarize myself with Trenchbroom
atomic egret
basically any map that uses quake bsp will work with very little needing to be made in the way of changes
crimson folio
Happy new year, duskers.
timber ferry
Happy New Years my dudes
prisma halo
we're fixing func_door atm lmao
mighty vortex
i mean I'm never going to use it since it just blurs everything but it's good to know.
timber ferry
🤤
weak bluff
prisma halo
fixed lighting on the guns btw, no more near-pitch black shotguns
so imagine that screenshot above with the yellowy lighting on the shotgun
for comparison
junior remnant
Dusk 2: Electric Boogaloo
prisma halo
||Dusk 2 Arena||
timber ferry
Dusk live
jagged ferry
dusk champion--no wait
chilly holly
Bruh the 5th of this month is my bday, if the sdk drops around that day I'm gonna have a breakdown
prisma halo
Maybe we should delay to the 5th then 
dim star
release it literally 23 minutes from now
prisma halo
ok I'll do that, see y'all around
worldly dagger
hol' up
timber ferry
Dusk Nukem Forever
crimson folio
SOON
weak bluff
For once no TM
woven elm
what if 'pls'
jade root
Cancelled
woven elm
oh.
slate edge
dusk for TV game
prisma halo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643363377975918592/661990748601712650/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643363377975918592/661991196247195705/unknown.png
slate edge
Counter Dusk
jade root
Did you finish those tps reports?
spare cobalt
zombie give up the goods you.. you.. SCOUNDREL!
jade root
Holy crap lois
timber ferry
I know q2 maps aren’t supported, but Duskatana is inevitable.
grave barn
Dusk Nukem 3D
vast tangle
Half-Dusk, then?
graceful wing
no dusk
weak bluff
Still holding out for Chex Quest in dusk
serene lily
Is half life dusk playable when the SDK releases?
serene lily
👌
faint lantern
full dusk consequences
also he's joking
you can port HL maps into the dusk editor but they wont have enemies, spawns, scripted events, anything that isn't map geometry basically
iirc
opal oyster
Im still waiting on that sweet SDK. Can't wait
proper spade
Me neither, gonna play ror2 with my bf until it drops
Well, maybe until a bit after it drops, it'll probably be a few minutes before people upload anything
thorn trout
@serene lily I wouldn't consider it playable in a "can seamlessly play the whole game in Dusk" way, at all. But you'll be able to load up HL maps and have them populated with enemies.
@timber ferry I believe Quake 2 map support is planned, but not for this first beta
serene lily
Yeah sounds cool.
visual aurora
@thorn trout “HL maps and have them populated with enemies” Half Life enemies or Dusk enemies?
thorn trout
Dusk enemies
pliant jackal
hey, i heard on the steam forums that you had the models in obj files? itd be great if i could work with them
(animation)
slow harness
opal plover
expand
timber ferry
Workshop comes later iirc
junior remnant
Brutal Dusk: Now with grenades and kicking animation
jade root
Cease
prisma halo
thorn trout
steep fjord
why must you taunt us so
junior remnant
Can we run Doom in Dusk?
mild ginkgo
Not yet
But if you worked hard at it you absolutely could
Honestly it wouldn't really even be that hard
sly path
You could probably convert the Doom maps into Quake ones and run it that way.
mild ginkgo
There was definitely a tool for that at one point
sly path
Hell, I'm sure there's plenty of Doom in Quake map packs already.
timber ferry
I’ve used program like that before. It’s spits out a .map file. The results were kinda janky but would probably be easier than starting from scratch?
sly path
GZDoom builder's map to OBJ converter for instance just leads to really nasty topology and such.
But that's what happens with these sorts of things.
prisma halo
that's just because it uses ear clipping to generate the meshes
there are ways that'd generate cleaner meshes
sly path
IDK I'm just insane about having semi workable topology.
sly path
It's why I wish there were 3D formats that just exported as quads.
vague egret
sly path
It's really annoying having to edit tri based meshes a lot of the time.
vague egret
Should leave him muted for waking me up
sly path
Oof.
frosty nacelle
?
prisma halo
I'm glad people are still excited about this stuff
I was worried that it taking so long dwindled the excitement
sly path
It's definitely impressive that's for sure.
The real question is though, when're we getting stepped keys and fake vertex anim jiggle in DUSK?
flat juniper
oh fuck
seeing that Big John in Half-Life really rekindled my desire to make the RE2 police station and have an invincible Big John hang around
prisma halo
possible, but not soon @sly path
frosty nacelle
how can i get that mod?
sly path
Aight.
prisma halo
it's coming out either today or tomorrow if all goes to plan
flat juniper
yoooo
frosty nacelle
nice
prisma halo
my timezone of course (Australian Eastern Standard)
frosty nacelle
where will i be able to obtain the mod at?
frosty nacelle
aight
mild ginkgo
Keep in mind it's being released as a very early beta
And no way represents the final feature set
junior remnant
Hideous Destructor mod but its Dusk
opal plover
Will we be able to make endless maps?
covert nest
im already gonna call what happens
any time between 1 am to 6 am Dave is gonna get on twitter and say these exact words "everyones asleep, release the SDK"
prisma halo
@opal plover not in this build, for reasons I'll go into after it's out
opal plover
Damn
prisma halo
but we could play around with putting in spawner entities for now I guess
but the actual endless gamemode won't function yet
opal plover
The Shrine of Tsathoggua is gonna have to wait a bit then
prisma halo
so you could make the maps as if they were regular singleplayer maps and set them to endless later
iron trellis
Wait, my game of the decade is getting a map maker. You just made my morning
opal plover
Also can we talk about how that ambient track Andy's composing for mappers to listen to is basically Dusk's version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFVnBWu6GN0
jagged ferry
ok gamers, this is cursed
opal plover
What is
crimson folio
nothing's cursed here.