Just google that and you should find it
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
jade root
shell arch
thanks 
shell arch
Keke Is Hot tho
jade root
crimson folio
kek
shell arch
yeah it is
but - you know - let's not forget about Dusk
chilly holly
SDK REEEE
faint lantern
the SDK will return in avengers 5
jade root
who here is excited for more dusk content in the form of user generated modules?
faint lantern
who isn't
faint lantern
I wanna make them mods
faint lantern
or try and fail at it
shell arch
Scubasuit John when?
chilly holly
GHAAA Its meeee BIG JOHN im undawaterrrr GHAAA
faint lantern
dusk "HD" pack that's just photorealistic textures and awful overdone lightning effect that make half the game unplayable
shell arch
get to the chomper
simple pilot
so
faint lantern
like this
simple pilot
Brutal Dusk?
shell arch
i want to play a "failed experiment" simulator
a mod which caps your HP at 5, gives you infinite fireballs and sets your viewheight to...
well
my height
which is pretty fucken low
faint lantern
mod that replaces every model with minecraft mobs
shell arch
crimson folio
how do you delete your saves?
faint lantern
you gotta locate them first
crimson folio
in the files?
faint lantern
and y'all know where save files are located
shell arch
IN THE BALLS
chilly holly
in the balls
crimson folio
right.
shell arch
crimson folio
wait i just deleted them and they came back as soon as i loaded up the menu screen.
wtf.
faint lantern
cursed save files of binding
shell arch
your balls grew back?
faint lantern
their balls were bigger than expected
delicate sail
dem cloudsaves
faint lantern
SDK will be on gog too https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1208854823220719616
Twitter
wonder if peoples will have to manually upload their mods somewhere else than the workshop for gog users
delicate sail
On that note, can anyone elaborate on how the steam workshop works in that regard? Can mods just be part of the ws and be uploaded on moddb or smth? Never done anything withit except for subscribing to a few things
faint lantern
you'd prolly have to upload to both of them manually
delicate sail
Are ws subscriptions doing anything else than just downloading the mods or are they then compatible with the steam version only? Couldn't find any info on that with a quick google search
faint lantern
generally afaik subscribing just downloads whatever latest file the modder uploaded for his mod and places it somewhere and then the game does whatever it wants with it
so whether or not mods have different files based on if they're on steam or not is completely up to the devs
we'll know soon enough anyway
delicate sail
I see. Yeah totally, just wondering as I own DUSK both on Steam and GOG
faint lantern
what do you mean
jade root
i dont understand why people would think we wouldnt give gog mod tools
thats just strange
delicate sail
I was more interested in the distribution, as there's nothing like workshop for GOG, at least afaik
faint lantern
does moddb have something in place to easily install & update mods
like the workshop
chilly holly
bruh
faint lantern
oof
chilly holly
im fucking
not cool right now
i wanna play some games, but i also wanna be here to check if sdk releases
im torn
faint lantern
I'm prolly gonna go to sleep before it releases
jade root
i can promise you we will raise a racket when it drops
faint lantern
yeah but I'd rather just sleep if it's not like, within the next hour
jade root
on zombies harddrive, unuploaded
delicate sail
oof
faint lantern
uploaden't
delicate sail
faint lantern
morty
cursive tartan
jagged ferry
the one on the left is "your toes...hand em ova"
faint lantern
next tarantino movie
crimson folio
I thought the guardian was a giant clam person at first.
cloud gazelle
i like his jammies
chilly holly
30 minutes till midnight
torpid locust
faint lantern
depends where zombo lives
chilly holly
so
its past midnight
rip the dream
for a week i woke up and dreamed about the sdk
i played games with the sdk in mind
i was one with the sdk
now im alone, with no sdk in sight
jade root
too be fair
faint lantern
Timezones tho
chilly holly
ruined Christmas 
.
jade root
not your wacky timezone
crimson folio
Devs should advertise Dusk as a lost PS1 game.
crimson folio
Or at least a lost fps game from 2000 or somethin.
jade root
why ps1
faint lantern
Doom clone
jade root
doesnt have the weird texture warping
crimson folio
and when 2020 arrives they could make up a 20th anniversary edition.
instead of a 2-years anniversary thing, because 20 is a better/larger number.
chilly holly
Doom clone indeed
crimson folio
it saddens me that half-life is a doom clone afterall.
timber ferry
The real doom clones were the friends we made along the way
crimson folio
royal herald
doom 2016 is just a doom clone smh
royal herald
y'all hear about that doom clone coming out in march next year
royal herald
||what about the one where a cult takes over and an old man has to kill off a lovecraftian horror||
crimson folio
i knew one about ||a paranoid priest trying to kill off a satanic cult with his everlasting cross||
i think its called faith or something.
royal herald
smh don't these devs have to like pay for shamelessly copying DOOM?
dusk 0/10 doesn't send all money directly to john carmack
royal herald
well john romero doesn't work with iD anymore if I recall
crimson folio
indeed, unfortunately.
crimson folio
if skynet happens, we all point our fingers and blame john carmack.
simple pilot
you will point at the skynet itself?
crimson folio
no.
timber ferry
Life will be a doom clone
short basalt
as a part of skynet?
crimson folio
life has always been doom since the dawn of man.
Carmacks AI will put us in DOOM simulations for the rest of our lives.
You can’t look up anymore and everything is slippery.
royal herald
oh my god guys this is so sad if skynet attacks then existence becomes a doom clone. smh tryinga fight off T's and we gotta reimburse id software for copying DOOM
royal herald
we have to send back david to defeat himself before he creates the doom clone that spirals us into remibursing id software and consequentially giving rise to skynet
war of the doom clones
timber ferry
This sounds like a 2019 reboot movie
royal herald
oh crap this reminds me I actually need to see terminator dark fate.
bruh y'all really did this just to make me watch the allegedly worst terminator movie huh
royal herald
oh my god
Dave and David team up with John and John to travel back in time and defeat the doom clone rise in order to prevent skynet
solar olive
Dusk so good it had to be played 21 years in the future.
crimson folio
I don’t think I can even play SDK because DUSK and Gmod audio is still fucked for me
empty quail
I can't even play anything because my shitty laptop's hard drive broke
laughs in Caleb
crimson folio
I’m not even sure what went wrong with my audio.
jagged ferry
ok botter
crimson folio
So I heard dusk is getting an SDK. What's in it?
I know it includes the level editor, but what else?
viral gate
There's a big ol post on it: https://steamcommunity.com/app/519860/discussions/0/1744512350930883648/
simple pilot
Unity
crimson folio
Then what's with all the quake and half life stuff? Arent they technically different?
simple pilot
its just map import
timber ferry
I’m excited for multiplayer maps
crimson folio
Half-Life: Dusk Mode.
simple pilot
if someone bothers to make them playable
crimson folio
The DUSK levels in quake?
What if Ranger met Dusk dude?
ranger wouldn’t have the fear of being short anymore.
I mean their abilities and powers are pretty much the same, obtaining magical powerups and shit.
Berserk
timber ferry
If they provide .obj or .map files of dusk’s maps then they should (in theory) be easily ported to quake.
But idk im not an expert
crimson folio
Well okay.
I still dont see Dusk's levels fitting the style of quake as much as it goes for setting.
timber ferry
I’m more excited to play Quake with Dusk’s physics tbh.
I tried speedrunning Quake for a minute, but the tricks are 2hard4me.
crimson folio
Episode 1 didnt have the lovecraftian, medieval setting of quake.
However, episode 2 and 3 were very quake like. With episode 3 being set in a surreal dimension, its pretty much what you'd see from ID.
timber ferry
I like episode 1 because it isn’t as confusing. It reminds me e1 of doom 1.
But I do agree that the rest of the episodes are better designed respectively.
crimson folio
Episode 3 looks as if it should've been a separate game.
timber ferry
Lmao
pearl lichen
Ah
crimson folio
Pro Dusk when Civvie?
pearl lichen
I've sent videos here before and nobody seemed to mind. If they've changed the rules then it's all good.
jagged ferry
uh
several months ago
bal
wait
no that wasn't pro
well
it might as well have been tbh
crimson folio
Civvie has sinned for not making pro dusk.
jagged ferry
i mean
beneath dusk was basically what a pro dusk would be minus some secrets
and maybe a strategy
crimson folio
#DontFreeCivvie
jagged ferry
crimson folio
jagged ferry
damn bro get therapy
pearl lichen
Don't see why he'd need to tbh
jagged ferry
i mean that's what i'm saying
but at the same time have you seen civvie pro a game less then 7 years old
pearl lichen
That is why I myself will make pro dusk
jagged ferry
👀
pearl lichen
but it will only be a still image of a Leatherneck for 20 minutes
jagged ferry
shiro becomes civvie12 [2019, colourized]
crimson folio
I'm just waiting for Pro Civvie.
jagged ferry
...wait a sec
crimson folio
Pro Civvie when Civvie?
jagged ferry
mfw i realize what that implies
crimson folio
crimson folio
Civvie doesnt really do anything besides boomer shooters.
crimson folio
Holy shit you fucking genius.
faint lantern
so sdk isn't out yet right
jagged ferry
not yet
faint lantern
oof
short basalt
it's treason then
jagged ferry
YOOOO OUR BARD'S A FORK
timber ferry
The real sdk is the dusk we made along the way.
timber ferry
2 bad boi
crimson folio
DAVE IS A LIER
crystal sparrow
who whants to play multiplayer
chilly holly
simple pilot
chilly holly
short basalt
@jagged ferry sorry, but i've been like that for a month or 3
low kelp
runic rapids
very soon
covert nest
delicate sail
Omg I finally got the level the Gogatorium is referring to after watching Civvies RotT Christmas special
Pretty niche but uuh... ok
delicate sail
Never made it far enough into RotT 2013, and RotT is still on "the index" and thus prohibited over here
Watching someone else play it feels like the right amount of dealing with the level though, so I think I'm good
delicate sail
Yeah, RotT is rather low on my bucket list so I might just wait for a re-release. The legal situation changed recently and I think it'll happen eventually
That was also the reason why Wold3D just got its official re-release on digital storefronts here and I had to realize that it's really not that great lol
graceful wing
Oh, Germany
delicate sail
Yeah
delicate sail
There's a lot of stuff happening in recent years, so that's cool
DOOM 2016 got an uncut release, which wouldn't have been possible a few years ago
... or a few years before 2016 I guess lol
timber ferry
That’s crazy. At least it’s getting better tho.
delicate sail
It's getting a lot more nuanced and actually feels quite appropriate atm. I remember feeling super lucky that I was in North America when the first Bioshock released and bought it there by total chance. Still one of my favourite games and I got super lucky to play the uncut version from day 1
DUSK though...
faint lantern
Uncut?
crimson folio
How many levels are there total in dusk?
jade root
33
eager bluff
Regional censorship is stupid``` Censorship can mostly be circumvented for now for currently existing titles, I wonder what a censored Dusk would look.Maybe it would be like serious same with flowers and fruit.
crimson folio
censored dusk
Wtf
eager bluff
Enemies do little dances when at 0 health.
crimson folio
Dusk would've turned into chex quest.
eager bluff
I'm not in favor of it, there was just a discussion above about using VPNs to get around censorship in countries like Germany.
So it made me think of Serious Sam's low violence "Flower and Fruit" mode
eager bluff
I'd be surprised if it wasn't already somewhere in the world .
eager bluff
Or Robot Cultists.
crimson folio
Leathernecks would've turned into Barney giving you a hug
eager bluff
Something along those lines.
crimson folio
The setting would've been wonderland or some shit.
eager bluff
I wonder what the polygon count for enemies in dusk is.
I often think of Drakan and Thief when I think of low polygon count enemies.
crimson folio
Dusk looks like something in the late 90s / early 2000s.
Maybe it would be very low.
eager bluff
Probably. Also would make the game easier to animate.
Although some enemies look like they have deceptively high numbers of polygons.
Like the Wendigos and the Witches
crimson folio
Agreed.
eager bluff
as well as the female Knights.
crimson folio
Funny enough I haven't beaten the game yet, only gotten to e1m4 at this point.
I learnt those enemies through endless mode.
crimson folio
Well ofc I would too.
eager bluff
Its a shame the MP didn't do so good, but the Coop should make up for that.
crimson folio
How long does it take an average player to beat all levels of dusk?
eager bluff
I don't know.
crimson folio
I'm guessing 3 - 9
eager bluff
There was a reviewer who said Dusk was his "GOTY" but that it was only 4 hours long, maybe if 6 if you got stuck.
He said it was short and sweet.
crimson folio
9 if you're that guy who double checks everything.
thin sphinx
death animations for the censored version would be enimies sitting down and shaking their head
crimson folio
1000 if you have no other games to play.
thin sphinx
like the german hl1 secuirty guards/scientists
eager bluff
I would think violent games would just do what UT99 did: Sparks instead of blood, fading away instead of a corpse animation.
thin sphinx
HECU in HL1 where robots
eager bluff
UT99 has done the low violence mode of a game far more than the titles to come after it.
thin sphinx
that same model was then added as a DM player model for MP
thin sphinx
it pretty cool but weas really random to see for a long time
until i learned about the german version
eager bluff
Anyway I don't know that we'll see much of "duel region" stuff in the future.
Companies are just more likely to make everything kid friendly for everyone to maximize profits.
👎
so
simple pilot
goddamn kids
eager bluff
Retro Shooters like Dusk are were I will be getting most of my violence fix for the foreseeable future
thin sphinx
TBH i prefer the wild crazy jank ass censorship games would do.
like serious sam or such
eager bluff
It would be preferable.
But game companies don't want to spend the money on making a M for Mature game, with low violence options, when T for Teen would do.
thin sphinx
that's one of those things where i just say OPTIONS. OPTIONS AS FAR AS THE EYES CAN SEE
that what we need more in games
eager bluff
Publishers don't like options. They want you to enjoy the game as statistical data suggests that you should.
There is also something going on in the games industry right now, where game developers are chasing family friendly trends as hard as is possible to do so.
thin sphinx
must be why i don't like publishers
CONSUME PRODUCT BUY MORE PRODUCT CONSUME PRODUCT.
eager bluff
Publishers balance out stupid artistic impulses by developers.
thin sphinx
if the publisher isn't EA or EA-lite
simple pilot
gamepads games are fine
thin sphinx
publishers like EA will make their games have as much appeal as possible and also load said games up with microtransactions
eager bluff
Both things are true.
@simple pilot is a lawn tractor an automobile?
@thin sphinx you are right about publishers making their game appeal as widely to an audience as possible.
thin sphinx
sometimes it's a good thing
faint lantern
"stupid artistic inpulses"
eager bluff
Both in terms of subject matter, presentations and mechanics.
thin sphinx
look at dusk
faint lantern
like what
shrinking horseballs?
thin sphinx
david and dave balanced each other out in the development
faint lantern
if anything publishers block a lot of interesting artistic inpulses
the balance of the daves
thin sphinx
but then you want to see what a company looks like with no managment ever look at valve
eager bluff
@faint lantern Remember Me's developers insisted on a non-white female protagonist even though they don't sell well. They did eventually find a Publisher who would allow it, but they lost money on the game.
thin sphinx
they have made sooooo many games that got concelled cause of inighting
eager bluff
Which is a shame, since it was good game.
faint lantern
but they got to fullfill their artistic vision didn't they
they're bringing back a few of their cancelled games
faint lantern
L4DVR is happening
thin sphinx
l4dVR is happening now
eager bluff
but they got to fullfill their artistic vision didn't they They did, at a loss to somebody else.
thorn trout
if anything publishers block a lot of interesting artistic inpulses this
faint lantern
also the developpers for dead cells literally don't have a boss and they're productive as all hell
thin sphinx
but the original project fell apart becuase of engine disputes
eager bluff
if anything publishers block a lot of interesting artistic inpulses This is true, but its not without reason.
eager bluff
@faint lantern The Publishers.
thin sphinx
difference between valve and dead cells is valve is a AAA company
while dead cells is a indie team
eager bluff
fuck profits, it's art stock holders disagree with this statement
faint lantern
fuck stock holders
thin sphinx
works well if people are making a game for the next meal
eager bluff
The stock holders are the reason you have games in the first place, PaperMartin
faint lantern
didn't know stock holder funded small ass indie games made by like 2 peoples
thorn trout
It's a vicious cycle that is what enables AAA to exist as it does but it's not a necessity for games in general
faint lantern
also "stock holders are the only reason non indie video games exist" highlights an even bigger problem lol
thorn trout
Someone with capital is necessary for most games outside the indie sphere, and even games inside the indie sphere however
That's definitely a reality
faint lantern
they're basically min maxing
trying to give as little money as possible and trying to reap as much profit as possible
oh yeah sure
but fuck stock holders
thorn trout
Yeah
eager bluff
That's definitely a reality I'm just acknowledging what the reality is.
thin sphinx
the stock holders are operating in their best interests
faint lantern
rich peoples getting richer while making sure non rich peoples will never reach their level
thin sphinx
which unfortunatly can be at the expense of great games
you don't have to be rich to hold stocks
faint lantern
that's not really an excuse
eager bluff
Game designers, even good ones, can have bad ideas that threaten the funding of future games by damaging the publisher financially.
I don't support that.
faint lantern
to have actual power over the industry you do
thorn trout
I support all bad ideas
thin sphinx
publishers are giving their money to you in exchange for a product that can be sold
faint lantern
publishers don't have to exist forever
thorn trout
Let devs make horrible horrible mistakes
faint lantern
companies aren't entitled to existing forever
thorn trout
More interesting that way
eager bluff
Let devs make horrible horrible mistakes at the cost to whom?
thin sphinx
i would say if you are an indie dev working off your own dime then you have no one to answer too
other than the fans of the game
faint lantern
they fired 800 dudes at activision blizzard despite making a record year
remember that?
eager bluff
i would say if you are an indie dev working off your own dime then you have no one to answer too that situation is exceedingly rare
thin sphinx
sometimes fans have great and not sogreat ideas
simple pilot
usually fans have really terrible ideas
faint lantern
it's a god awful system that goes entirely against the point of art
thin sphinx
kickstarter places far more power within the fans of a game but the devs on their are kind of 50/50 in terms of quality
eager bluff
Here is the reality of most game development: Creative developers come up with ideas, Publishers choose which ones they want to publish, that is the beginning and the end of most "publisher blocking interesting artistic impulses"
Its not like they aren't allowing it, they just don't want to pay for it.
faint lantern
the reality of most game development sucks and it really should be changed
thorn trout
That's also not the reality
eager bluff
Then correct me.
thorn trout
Publishers have their hands in the development process all the way through
faint lantern
also "they just don't want to pay for it" isn't really valid since a lot of AAA publishers are arguably making way, WAYYY more money than they deserve
thorn trout
It's very common for publishers to nix ideas or insist on others
simple pilot
they set up features from the beginning
thorn trout
That's how things like Dead Space 3 happen
simple pilot
and usually follow the rest of the industry
eager bluff
Most Publishes are going to have mandates right from the start, developers can agree from the beginning or not.
I don't think most Publishers are going to lack a set of mandates for the games development, right at the start.
faint lantern
and if they disagree they get shown the door
eager bluff
They "can not agree" by finding a publisher that agrees with them.
faint lantern
literally game devs make cool games but rich companies already have a bunch of money so they get to decide what is made and they always get more money, putting them at an advantage over actual developpers at the same time
thorn trout
Also this really isn't Dusk chat tbh
thin sphinx
gaming has a VR chat too going on pehaps #bnnuy-and-the-jits ?
thorn trout
Also for the record New Blood is not really a publisher in any traditional sense so nothing I have to say on the subject really applies to Dave etc
eager bluff
That.
Its important to note that there are good publishers like NewBlood and there bad publishers like EA, which meddle with every aspect of development.
faint lantern
the vast majority of AAA publishers is the later
slow harness
dave had his opinions during dusk development and i'd say it was for the better
crimson folio
dusk ees guud u schüt gaot
slow harness
that david listened to him
faint lantern
why u pley bab gaem go pley schut
eager bluff
I kind of doubt that most Publishers are obsessively involved on every detail though.
Studios like Rockstar slipped the Hot Coffee mini-game into the game under their publishers noses and the publisher was clueless about it
😆
thorn trout
Well New Blood isn't even technically a publisher per se
We are in a weird janky way that doesn't make sense
faint lantern
that was a while ago tho
now a lot of games are basically designed around pressuring you into microtransactions & shit
faint lantern
there's an obvious influence from the publisher, or anyone high up that's interested in profit rather than art
"some"
I can barely think of any recent AAA game that doesn't have that problem at all
crimson folio
When is DUSK: Worthy Edition gonna come out guys
faint lantern
untitled dusk game
crimson folio
Pit was a good game.
simple pilot
nah
crimson folio
chilly holly
what i really want is the Supreme Dusk Kontent update
heady furnace
is the SDK going to be released before xmas/new year?
graceful wing
unfortunately, no. the SDK isn't quite ready for a public release yet
crimson folio
Alright, I am looking forward to it though!
heady furnace
@graceful wing any idea at all when we might see something?
simple pilot
ebon radish
Eventually(tm)
graceful wing
early next year possibly. we don't commit to dates as game development is unpredictable
so that's the best i've got
when it's done™️
simple pilot
When it's ready ™️
heady furnace
Yeah for sure, wasn't looking for anything solid. That'll do, thanks. Is it possible to make maps for Dusk atm with TB?
graceful wing
absolutely
heady furnace
How are the textures and assets stored? I haven't actually looked tbh
graceful wing
you'll be able to bring TB maps over and then proceed to texture them with dusk assets in the SDK
heady furnace
Are they in wads etc?
Ah okay no problem
Is Dusk guy the same size as Ranger? Or is he about 1.2x the height?
I seem to remember seeing that somewhere
graceful wing
that i don't know honestly
faint lantern
remember "this week probably"
thorn trout
I have no idea lol
timber ferry
I also heard the 1.2x number
wraith lily
crimson folio
How many devs are there in the dusk team?
I mean obviously there's David, but I also see some other dudes as well.
sly path
Four or five? I know one of them is working on the SDK and the other one has locked himself in his bathroom and doesn't want to come out.
eager bluff
I'm looking forward to Dusk Coop
Even with respawning, the one-shot-kill difficulty should make for a decent coop challenge
eager bluff
Why?
crimson folio
Comparing it to amid evils system requirements.
eager bluff
Well, you are comparing a bare-bones engine to a full featured one.
And both engines use multi-threading.
AFAIK anyways.
So there is going to be no CPU bottlenecking, not like with Wrath.
With Wrath is going to be the case where a computer with 1.8 cores is going to run significantly worse than a computer with 5.0 cores
This is just typically the case with engines that do multithreading poorly or not at all.
So since Dusk doesn't have any CPU bottlenecks to worry about, the next thing is rendering.
Rendering what Dusk does is extremely cheap to do. Like no shader use what so ever.
No physically-based materials, no depthmaps, no reflects, nothing to make the shader cores do much of anything.
It mostly just has to draw polygons and drawing polygons is practically free.
Amid Evil AFAIK uses all the effects that UE4 is capable of.
I'm sure some stuff like Sub-surface scattering and ambient occlusion are missing but stuff like reflections seem to be present.
I think if you turned down all the graphical options then Amid Evil would perform much more closely with Dusk.
torpid locust
you talk like a schizo tbh
crimson folio
@eager bluff thanks a lot man. I managed to get dusk to run at 144 fps max. I already expected Amid Evil to be super heavy based on its appearance and engine anyway. Technically Dusk is like Minecraft compared to Amid Evil which is literally like a big aaa title.
eager bluff
You can always just going into the game .ini settings and turn off everything if you want to, although the developer obviously didn't intend for it to look that way.
thorn trout
AE isn't actually too demanding relatively speaking
crimson folio
Oh look who's here.
lime maple
Imagine Dusk in QUAKE but the main character is Big John
crimson folio
@lime maple basically ranger.
lime maple
but BIG JOHN NYAUGH
crimson folio
Big john > ranger
lime maple
^^
crimson folio
Sorry ID.
crimson folio
Fuck ranger.
graceful wing
dusk is minecraft
eager bluff
@torpid locust thanks for your opinion
but when i want your lip ill unzip my pants, thx
thorn trout
Rendering what Dusk does is extremely cheap to do. Like no shader use what so ever. umm that's not how that works. Dusk uses the Unity standard shader for just about everything
graceful wing
AE is minecraft but with rtx on
thorn trout
As well as heavy use of Singleton materials for everything
eager bluff
Dusk is way cheaper than other games though.
spare robin
thorn trout
Yeah Dusk is cheaper than a lot of other games, but people assume it's comparable to something like Quake or whatever because ofbhownit looks, and that's not accurate at all
lime maple
afaik if I recall i bought the game at like 16.66
i did it for the memes and becuz i love andrew hulshult
crimson folio
David admits to others Dusk is not a quake clone for differences in engine.
Big sad.
lime maple
So David
eager bluff
I would think that Quake and Dusk would be too different on a lot of technical levels to compare directly.
lime maple
would u like to tell us about ur experience with "CATS"
crimson folio
I am ashamed of david.
thorn trout
Cats is a wild ride
crimson folio
Why must he admit such things.
thorn trout
@eager bluff I just mean in terms of performance
eager bluff
I would think that Unity would be better than Quake 1 in a lot of situations though.
slow harness
Says the one who lied about the cigar being in game uhuh
crimson folio
@slow harness I DIDNT LIE ITS TRUE.
spare robin
Wrath = gimmick
crimson folio
ASK DAVID, THE CIGAR IS A WEAPON.
spare robin
oh wait it is
thorn trout
@crimson folio do you know this from experience? AE is actually quite performant
crimson folio
Local madman uses unity to make a good game
lime maple
Local madman gets drunk and does more ahnuld impressions
crimson folio
I never played amid evil before, I just assumed it from the looks of the graphics.
slow harness
David, what do you think was the real intention with killpixel choosing DP for wrath?
thorn trout
Didn't say Wrath is a gimmick, just that if you're actually specifically choosing an engine to work with I don't see many advantages to going with IdTech1, unless you're familiar with it or really want to keep all the details of how Quake 1 behaves intact
slow harness
Idtech1 is doom
crimson folio
Wrath is my favorite boomer shooter along with Dusk.
spare robin
Wrath is fine
thorn trout
@slow harness I don't have to guess, he explained in interviews. He sees that as the right way to make a retro FPS
spare robin
I just like to dunk on it because it's 3DR
eager bluff
There are actually a lot of disadvantages with going with old engines in general. As it turn out, old engines are filled with a lot of nasty gremlins.
slow harness
Some boomer in the 3dr discord said he used dp to "artistically restrict himself" or some shit
thorn trout
Sorry yeah I misspoke
crimson folio
David, the cigar is equipped with the 0 number key. Right?
slow harness
Lies
thorn trout
Some boomer in the 3dr discord said he used dp to "artistically restrict himself" or some shit that may be true I dunno. I only know what I read in interviews. Have only ever spoken to the guy once.
crimson folio
DAVID PELASE TELL HIM ITS TRUE
thorn trout
@crimson folio yeah
crimson folio
HAHAHA
slow harness
Liar
crimson folio
TOLD HA
slow harness
He's joking
crimson folio
DAVID NEVER LIES.
slow harness
You know who's joking? I do
eager bluff
From what Ive seen of engines being used for new games, gzdoom for Hedon, Darkplaces for Wrath and Build for Ion Fury, these engines seem to be fine as long as you don't push too far past the engines original limitations.
slow harness
Bal Masque get nae nae'd on
crimson folio
U make me sad.
slow harness
Why?
crimson folio
Y u bully mi.
slow harness
#justgamerthings
eager bluff
I get the point of making games in the old engine though, at least from a developer point of view.
If you like working with an old engine, then knock yourself out.
crimson folio
I'd rather use a new engine and replicate the old style of boomer shooters than using the actual old engine having to learn about its tricks and stuff.
Unless you're really that much of a madlad.
eager bluff
There are some people who genuinely are madlads
I'm very much not one of them though
crimson folio
I'm not one of them at all.
I respect their dedication and love for old games, but using the actual engine is a bit too far.
lime maple
who came up with the idea of wendigo
spare robin
@atomic egret probably
atomic egret
Yeah I actually invented native Americans so all their folklore falls under my copyright
eager bluff
Using the actual engine isn't too far, as long as you don't push it too much.
lime maple
Also I missed the stream but was the horror (the giant mouth gaping thing that shoots phlegm and has frog feet) based off of anything?
slow harness
Phrogs
lime maple
well then
eager bluff
The thing about Wrath though, is its not even using an actual quake1 engine, its using a source port that had its physics re-written so the game could run at a high frame rate.
I'm not a quake purist, so its not something I actually care about.
slow harness
You've been playing siege for 4.5 hours
eager bluff
But It seems like if they were going to go with an engine that had quake-1 simulated physics, then maybe do it in a engine that at least has multi-threading support.
slow harness
Go to sleep
slow harness
How many hours have you played
eager bluff
Of Siege?
2622
although how much of that is me actually PLAYING and me not alt-tabbed out? Probably 1/3rd of the total time
slow harness
Is that you being dead?
eager bluff
No, its me not being distracted by discord or youtube or any other number of things while waiting for a game to start, a game to end, or to respawn.
typical time to get into a match is 2-3 minutes
slow harness
Ok listen
eager bluff
pick-and-ban sequence at the start of the match is 2 minutes
then if you die, somewhere between 1-2 minutes for the beginning of the next round
graceful wing
debil
eager bluff
im just doing the challenges for this week before they expire in 14 hours
lime maple
@eager bluff carry me in siege ❤️
eager bluff
whats your rank?
lime maple
last 2 seasons gold
lime maple
aye aye captain
eager bluff
then you should be fine
lime maple
carry to plat?
eager bluff
honestly that depends a bit on you
lime maple
D:
eager bluff
Ubisoft sucks
spare robin
agreed
grave barn
Dave will be god when sdk comes out
You're welcome for the extra week without it, btw
crimson folio
Thy dusk consumes when Dave
jade root
what kinda cat is david?
graceful wing
Rin Rin
jade root
cease
crimson folio
Yeet
torpid locust
gud
viscid pecan
shell arch
timber ferry
I think I’m gonna 100% dusk today.
I got 150+ hours and I never 100% a single episode.
crimson folio
He hasn't 100% Dusk
eager bluff
I don't think I've ever 100% any game, I'm not sure what the point is.
timber ferry
She speedruns dusk 
jade root
unless yer a cheevo hunter 100%ing kinda feels like a waste
unless theres special endings like in metroid
atomic egret
bro u get to see metroid in her underwear!!!
timber ferry
Lmao dusk dude in the Samus bikini.
atomic egret
modders will make it happen
royal herald
My friend Kane is obsessed with achievements but he sucks at video games
atomic egret
yep, sounds like a kain/kane/kaine
spare robin
it's like a bonus challenge
crimson folio
We celebrate the 24th
royal herald
why the 24th? I've never heard of christmas on the 24th
full sandal
same
crimson folio
Don't ask me fam
"Christmas (Swedish: jul, [jʉːl]) is celebrated throughout December and traditionally until St. Knut's Day on January 13. The main celebration and the exchange of gifts in many families takes place on Christmas Eve, December 24."
vast tangle
Here in Spain the 24th is the day were you get to have dinner with (read: endure) your family
spare cobalt
I've understood that in spain a family dinner really means the whole family :D
vast tangle
Yeah, even uncles, and cousins and that shit
spare cobalt
here in fin it's more common for people to visit their parents or just stay with their own
sly path
25th is the big holiday over here because commonwealth, but there's some lunatics who also celebrate it in like, July.
slow harness
here in portugal i'm still doing the fucking homework god daaaaaaamn it
crimson folio
That moment when you first enter E1M3 and "Ashes to Ashes, Dusk to Dusk" starts playing... this is probably the best level introduction I've seen in a long time. https://youtu.be/pQpBHUG67SY
slow harness
what
royal herald
5k resolution
slow harness
why can't i apply 4k in the settings
faint lantern
Why would you tho
jade root
Anything past 1080p is a meme
timber ferry
Because I can
timber ferry
Better?
jade root
blOOM
timber ferry
I’ve been discovered
crimson folio
So you can change the pixelation within the files right?
Can it go beyond what’s necessary?
Can I just play DUSK with 4 pixels?
faint lantern
Looks like d2 on my old laptop, I'm not joking
crimson folio
dude, for me dusk is FUCKED
it might be because i made my keyboard go red whenever I launch dusk, but it keeps spamming click and whenever I hover over anything it clicks it. menu is barely usable.
faint lantern
Sounds like regular retro fps gameplay
crimson folio
DUSK SDK when?
slow harness
Andrew Hulshult said there are easter eggs in the dusk soundtrack. I wonder what they are
woven elm
try playing it all backwards
small halo
crimson folio
@small halo the same thing could be said for the sawblade. i killed the duke brothers with it.
eager bluff
Why would you tho Anything past 1080p is a meme
Not true.
x4 anti-aliasing looks fucking amazing in a lot of games.
crimson folio
oh no
the audio is fucked.
@crimson folio just upload on youtube or something.
I did.
but I wanted the edited audio.
eager bluff
crimson folio
but I also didnt know you'd have to download it.
well that sux.
because I've never used vlc before or know how it actually works
just use radeon relive.
Im just gonna delete that too.
I guess we’ll never know the true DUSK experience
eager bluff
playing retro games with x4 native resolution gives the game a big leap in presentation
no jaggies on the squares that make up the pixel art
no shimmering that anisotropic filtering is meant to limit, which it usually does only to a limited degree
crimson folio
Unless you're playing amid evil.
eager bluff
Amid Evil runs in x4
If the game is on ultra I think some of the foggy areas can kill it though
crimson folio
exactly, and the resolution could be changed to 4k.
spare robin
4k is a little superfluous for pc play.
crimson folio
Not really.
spare robin
I think 1440 is the ideal resolution or superwide
crimson folio
Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGFuSnO-v80
crimson folio
Look at the description.
"Settings are a combination of high/epic, with 90% res scaling (1944p), as since my GPU usage is 60%/80% is can easily romp to 100% in certain (and unexplainable) situations."
eager bluff
Berry there are significant graphical improvements from running the game in x4 native resolution, or even x2.25
spare robin
I don't know much about all that
spare robin
yea I have 1080p
eager bluff
Chances are you could make the game look much better but if you're not interested, its not something worth beating somebody over the head with a sandal over
timber ferry
2880p or nothin.
eager bluff
TAA works better the higher your frame rate is
jade root
@eager bluff i was shitposting lol
eager bluff
if he is on a 1080p monitor and getting 2 to 3 ( quite possibly 4 or more) fps than his 60 hertz monitor can display, then that will help improve the anti-aliasing on the image considerably
jade root
4k nerds usually get pissy over that comment
eager bluff
@jade root yes, but you were shitposting on something I happen to like talking about
graceful wing
Rin rin
eager bluff
4k nerds (and 5k nerds for 1440p x4 DSR user) have a very valid point about 4K and higher resolutions
they make textures appear sharper
jade root
i wonder if rin is in scribblenauts
graceful wing
Uhd rin rin
eager bluff
I'm looking for a demonstration picture
mild ginkgo
People who use DSR are the same people who buy giant trucks and put lift kits on them
graceful wing
Ye
mild ginkgo
And also causes shimmering
eager bluff
no
mild ginkgo
Yes
eager bluff
it reduces shimmering
Amid Evil is a good example of this
play it with and without x4 DSR, the regular native version has more shimmering
Dusk too
mild ginkgo
Nah I hate how dsr looks
Especially with fonts
🤢
It's okayish with 4x, because it's integer scaling
But the performance and visual drawbacks are not worth it imo
eager bluff
there are no visual drawbacks
not unless you the dsr is completely without any blurring or something
crimson folio
are there going to be more episodes coming? like free dlcs or something?
viral gate
SDK and co-op are the priorities for now
crimson folio
Sounds great. I look forward to it!
junior remnant
HDusk when
crimson folio
@junior remnant 
junior remnant
Brutal Dusk when
crimson folio
Bruh how do you think Duskdude ||talks to other cultists after he got possessed||
He technically ||becomes their leader afterall||
I wanna see those interactions
jagged ferry
he communicates purely in morse code via super shotgun
crimson folio
He talks though
jagged ferry
when
crimson folio
Uhh
junior remnant
It'd be hella awkward considering the cultists shouts heretic at him and ends up as their leader.
crimson folio
After every now and then red text comes up
crimson folio
Sure but
jagged ferry
jagged ferry
there is no evidence that dusk dude can speak therefore super shotgun morse code
crimson folio
Fine
jagged ferry
obviously
crimson folio
Have it your way
jagged ferry
crimson folio
Narrow minded cultist that's what you are
jagged ferry
no, that's who dusk dude talks to via morse code super shotgun
jagged ferry
nice
junior remnant
i'd prefer riveter-sign language myself.
jagged ferry
this is why neither of you are dusk dude
junior remnant
I can
crimson folio
Shut up Quake boy
junior remnant
i can't hear you over these riveters noises
jagged ferry
ok i genuinely don't know who "quake boy" is referring too
crimson folio
I was actually referring to you since you're so attached to the Super Shotty lol
jagged ferry
i mean
i have quake
i haven't played it a lot but i have it
so...technically true i suppose
junior remnant
How does it land to Quake and not Doom with the super shotgun thing?
crimson folio
You're still quakeboy
jagged ferry
ask vel
simple pilot
i dont identify super shotgun with quake
crimson folio
I don't know
It just
Reminds me of Quake
For some reason
Thought its supposed to be a Doom homage
jagged ferry
me trying to figure out how someone goes from "super shotgun" immediately to "quake"
simple pilot
SuperShotGun Game
crimson folio
Goddamnit
It still gives me those quake vibes though
Also how do I post doodles here I have like two of them related to Dusk
simple pilot
be a 
simple pilot
or link the image from image hosting site
crimson folio
Oh that works too
crimson folio
I was referring to the amount of time actually spent typing here
Wait it isn't?
I thought I read something along those lines
crimson folio
Dusk is quake but with more cheese.
crimson folio
Hey atleast the cheese taste good
crimson folio
crimson folio
- WHIRR *
faint lantern
Very soon alright
olive cloud
brave egret
aaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
slow harness
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa
final estuary
a
olive cloud
Let‘s get more Aaas in hear
solar olive
E
crimson folio
C
vast tangle
You wanted more "Aaaaaaaaaa"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLdQ1a4-JI
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final estuary
winged otter
meanwhile at RPG Codex forums:
``Expect more SOON(tm) and assorted meme bullshit from Oshry and company.
My opinion of NewBlood in general has gone pretty far south. Even Szymanski, who seemed like a decent individual, has devolved into 100% shitposting and memeposting.``
vague egret
NO FUN ALLOWED
thorn trout
Am no longer decent individual, rip
I guess they haven't followed the many other things we've been doing?
And haven't seen the many times we've explained "porting the game over to GOG took literally half the year and threw a wrench into everything"
simple pilot
David Szymański the spiritual successor of John Romero
cloud gazelle
thorn trout
If it's gonna be a problem then I'll just leave the Twitter for nothing but dev screenshots and promotion and everyone will be bored, idgaf
Just cause we shitpost doesn't mean we aren't working on things
vivid ridge
Man that'd suck, I really enjoy seeing your shitposts
thorn trout
👌
jade root
I love people like this
“DUDE I LOVE DUSK”
“BUT I THINK THE SDK IS CANCELLED???”
Like
If you loved dusk
You would know about the sdk
thorn trout
Right?
thorn trout
Not like we keep it a secret. We're working on it and trying to have it released asap, hopefully before the end of the year
jade root
12k on the server and counting?
thorn trout
We want it out more than pretty much anyone else so it's not like we're being lazy about it lol
thorn trout
Correct
graceful wing
ye i just want the SDK to be ready so people stop asking about it
jade root
Maybe only surpassed by David’s wife
graceful wing
it's basically just this all over again
thorn trout
And I guarantee you right this moment the person who wants the SDK beta done most is @prisma halo