#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk

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viral gate
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Eh I'll never get sick of them I reckon

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My time is limited and rather just stick to what I know for games nowadays

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I play other genres here or there but most don't grab hold of me as easily as they used too

sly path
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Like most game developers I'm an infinite bad take generator. That being said retro FPS games don't really mix things up. I'm not asking for a dramatic change in the genre here but I just want gameplay that doesn't feel too much like Doom, or Quake or god forbid Wolf 3D.

crimson folio
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going Wolf3D is going too far back

viral gate
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Intrude and Shadow of Woolball are the only two examples I can think of where it got the Wolf3D vibes right

crimson folio
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DUSK 2: The Card Game

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I wouldn't say that's exclusive to retro FPS

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it's really just most video games

viral gate
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Mostly cause it did their own thing and actually felt good to play

sly path
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Yeah excessive cloning is common in most genres but there's at least like, one or two games that really stand out.

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Retro FPS doesn't really have those.

viral gate
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I beg to differ, it's more subtle stuff though

crimson folio
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I get what you're saying, but with how the gaming industry is nowadays, 'more of the same old' is better than 'more shit'

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least from how I see it

sly path
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Personally I just like seeing people's dumb ideas, not more of the same good ideas but done not so well.

viral gate
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Yea rather more safe but fine games compared to big budget slot machines or 2nd job grind houses

solar olive
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Dusk is retro fps done right.
Fast-paced gameplay, relatively abstract yet coherent map design, story is revealed subtly through gameplay instead of 5 minutes cutscenes, cool dynamic music, upcoming sdk for people to mod the game and it works quite well on relatively low-mid end computers =P

final jacinth
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There’s a difference between done and done right, for sure!

jagged ferry
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and the two closest things the game has to cutscenes have the best dialogue in the game

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from the best voice actor

simple pilot
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Which you cannot recognize without reading the credits

tiny prairie
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hey @thorn trout! sorry for the ping but i just had a question about how you developed character movement for dusk? did you write the character controller from scratch?

jagged ferry
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Which you cannot recognize without reading the credits
if you don't have a pulse sure

simple pilot
terse prawn
eager bluff
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Dusk is fast paced, nothing wrong with Amid Evils slower pace though.'

opal plover
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Anyone else think Yugioh's Nyarlathotep is the best design and is what Dusk's should have been inspired by

crimson folio
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dusk is good pif paf bam bum game

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tratata

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i can recommend dusk to everyone who likes shot games

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shot paf pif bum bam

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my dad loves me

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I buyed Amid Evil and Dusk in bundle because i want to give more money to new blood so they can take over the world

chilly holly
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Dusk?

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More like

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SukD

low kelp
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Skud, the slightly more russian side-game about long-range cruise missiles

chilly holly
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heh skudd

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👀

low kelp
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also, belated congrats on the anniversary thing, and yay for making awesome game

hollow ivyBOT
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🔄 DUSK IS NOW OUT ON GOG!!!

https://www.gog.com/game/dusk

TELL YOUR FRIENDS! TELL YOUR MOM! GIVE US YOUR GOOD OLD MONEY!

AND THAT'S NOT ALL - LAN SUPPORT HAS BEEN ADDED TO DUSKWORLD IN ADDITION TO CROSSPLAY BETWEEN STEAM AND GOG!

STILL HAVEN'T HAD ENOUGH DUSK? WANT TO CREATE YOUR OWN CONTENT AND SHARE IT WITH THE WORLD?
THE DUSK SDK AND WORKSHOP SUPPORT IS COMING VERY SOON!

CHECK OUT OUR GOG UPDATE ANNOUNCEMENT HERE: https://steamcommunity.com/games/519860/announcements/detail/1595888090485851959

Don't forget to leave a review on GoG. Let us know if you liked or hated it!

pine kettle
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gog connect available sbeve

final estuary
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GOG CONNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT

vivid cape
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FINALLY!

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product_title_1150392214

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good enough for me

jade root
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Wow LFG it happened despite you being adamant it wasn’t going to

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Very cool :)

atomic pasture
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ok i need a bit of help related to the wendigo, i can't get a clear screenshot of the model, can anyone send me one i wanna practice some horror art

final estuary
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Use cheat codes

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I find nbhot and turning off hud helps

vivid cape
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@jade root it happened because it had to happen thanks to complaints

atomic pasture
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thanks :D

vivid cape
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but glad it happened after all

final estuary
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Thats the wiki page model btw

atomic pasture
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imma try and get some pictures from all sides

simple pilot
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not a good angle

final estuary
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Think of it as a humanoid deer skeleton

atomic pasture
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also are the cheat codes classic ones?

simple pilot
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but its better than nothing

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ye

final estuary
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Fur optional

jade root
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Yeah just pop off a pistol round

simple pilot
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just type in game

atomic pasture
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like noclip and notarget?

jade root
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Then nbhot

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OH no console commands aren’t in yet

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Very soon tho

atomic pasture
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ohh ok

final estuary
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Just type it in

atomic pasture
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oh so like gta type of stuff

final estuary
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Gives you serum of heat for 300s

spare robin
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type in NBHOT

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and walk around a wendigo

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and screenshot

jade root
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Ever type in idkfa in doom?

atomic pasture
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thanks guys its really appreciated, ill post it in here or the art channel when i get access to it

final estuary
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That's actually how i got my pics i took for the wiki

jade root
spare robin
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epic

final estuary
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Also also

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If it's a flying enemy

simple pilot
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what serum of blistering heat could be stackable

final estuary
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Nbufo helps

simple pilot
spare robin
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then it's like the one regular show episode

atomic pasture
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imma have to remember in which levels i can find a wendigo real fast

spare robin
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e2m2?

jade root
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E2M2

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It’s the first monster you’ll fight

spare robin
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it has bad lighting thou

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gh

final estuary
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Do endless map 3

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Wait for wave 4 or 5

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Or do E2M5

simple pilot
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what do you mean dusk is in gog connect

vivid cape
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that's what

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if you own on steam you can get a free DRM-Free copy

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hurry up though... it's only available for a week

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once it's over that is gone

jade root
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Gog cocknect

vivid cape
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now is your chance

simple pilot
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i guess not hmm2

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accounts are linked, steam profile is public

atomic pasture
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thanks for the commands doots they helped a lot getting clear pics of the wendigo

simple pilot
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you might take a look at wallpapers

amber yarrow
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Finally I can play Dusk the way god intended.

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DRM-free.

simple pilot
jade root
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But dusk is drm free on steam?

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No steam wrapper

simple pilot
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but that evil Steamworks api is there it must be locking access to the game leonthink

jade root
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Not anymore

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As of gog we are free of steam works

simple pilot
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just wait ~2hours i guess

pine kettle
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ok, I'll try

hoary cargo
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Oh, it's a common issue.

spiral bough
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having the same problem with Connect

vivid cape
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Valve is the one to blame

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there's an API request limit per day

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100k or something like that

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so wait I guess a bit... make sure your profile is public on steam and try again

simple pilot
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you cannot blame ones security

rare musk
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Something being in the name of security doesn't automatically mean it's good

jade root
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I hate squiddys security

simple pilot
jade root
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It makes me shit mushrooms

rare musk
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fuck u on about now

crimson folio
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Gog connect seams to work now

covert nest
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hmmm it's still givin me issues

hexed roost
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It's going to give you issues for the remainder of the day. On top of the GOG Connect stuff, they're starting their winter sale. Good thing you have 6 days to claim the game!

jovial palm
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heck im just excited to try the gog map Pog

upper crown
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I'm so happy about the connect thing, gog map and drm free play! Sick.

delicate sail
atomic pasture
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ooh lemme do a quick sketch of him

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after i get access to posting ill send

crimson folio
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ok got it in gog how do I get the gogatorium, or do I have to download the gog version ?

spare robin
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once you can

atomic pasture
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i wonder how much xp i got now

hexed roost
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@crimson folio Yes, that level is built into the GOG version of the game

slow harness
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you got #^7&* xp

crimson folio
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ok

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is gog connect functioning properly? it says i still need to purchase it in galaxy, despite the main website saying i own it

reef fossil
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yoooooo

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GoG Connect, so I got both GoG and Steam versions

graceful wing
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!duskconnect

hollow ivyBOT
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2) Log in to, or create, your GOG.com account.

3) Log in to your Steam account via the secure form.

https://www.gog.com/connect 

4) Use the "Import Games" button on this page. You can deselect any games you don't want to import - otherwise all of your eligible games will be added to your GOG.com library. ```
graceful wing
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@crimson folio do things in this order

crimson folio
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🤷‍♂️

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gog galaxy wilin

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it says 'in library' on the store page too

hexed roost
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Have you restarted the client?

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Like fully

weary coyote
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OH FUCK GOG CONNECT FOR DUSK????????? imma do that soon as i get the chance

jagged ferry
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Oh shit

hoary cargo
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Yay it finally worked!

hexed roost
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Awesome, glad to hear it!

tardy slate
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what's gog connect? probably a wrong place to ask this

jade root
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If u own gam on steam

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U get gam on gog

tardy slate
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what's the difference tho

jovial palm
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Still doesent work for me, even after fully restarting the client sadcat

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eh you get a drm free copy and you get the gog exklusive map @tardy slate so two copys of dusk aint to shabby to have i guess Shrug

tardy slate
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oh gog exclusive map i remember that
wanna try it out as soon as this thing actually works

graceful wing
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it should work fine

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make sure to follow these steps first

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!duskconnect

hollow ivyBOT
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2) Log in to, or create, your GOG.com account.

3) Log in to your Steam account via the secure form.

https://www.gog.com/connect 

4) Use the "Import Games" button on this page. You can deselect any games you don't want to import - otherwise all of your eligible games will be added to your GOG.com library. ```
slow harness
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@graceful wing just pin it dummy

graceful wing
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no

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no one reads pins

slow harness
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look who's not going to the arcade this weekend

graceful wing
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and we have an official announcement coming whenever gog posts theirs

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me cause i'm working

slow harness
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on weekend

graceful wing
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yes?

slow harness
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sat and sun?

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bro

graceful wing
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well yeah

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and idc

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those days are 50 and 100% bonus pay respectively

mild ginkgo
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Avain doesn't go to the arcade

graceful wing
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like i'm not gonna complain about making almost $60 an hour on a ssunday lol

mild ginkgo
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He goes to the temple to pray to the GC gods

graceful wing
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^

mild ginkgo
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Here's the altar

graceful wing
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is it bad that i can tell what that chart is just from the pic there?

mild ginkgo
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Lol

graceful wing
hexed roost
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ftr, I'm trying to do GOG Connect on my alt account for testing and it's taking foooooooooorever

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I still don't have my copy yet

graceful wing
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dusk traffic is grinding the servers to a halt 😉

crimson folio
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@graceful wing I read pins.

graceful wing
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welcome to the 0.1%

crimson folio
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I like reading pins.

simple pilot
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welcome to no ones

upbeat trout
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oh btw guys

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dusk works on ultrawide

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can confirm

covert nest
upbeat trout
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and can anyone tell me what song plays on e3m4

night blaze
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Hey all, GOG Connect not working for you all too?

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Can't get Dusk 😦

graceful wing
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connect for dusk is a bit weird currently

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try running the game on steam and playing for a few minutes

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then try to connect it again

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also make sure to follow everything here

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!duskconnect

hollow ivyBOT
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2) Log in to, or create, your GOG.com account.

3) Log in to your Steam account via the secure form.

https://www.gog.com/connect 

4) Use the "Import Games" button on this page. You can deselect any games you don't want to import - otherwise all of your eligible games will be added to your GOG.com library. ```
night blaze
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NO ELIGIBLE GAMES FOUND but I will try running for a few minutes more

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I even did refresh it again now

delicate sail
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Heh, re-bought it on gog like 2 weeks ago, couldnt wait to play the gogatorium. Got so many hours in the game now that I'm actually happy I threw a bit more money at you lol

hexed roost
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Just wanted to mention that after like 6 hours, I was able to claim my GOG Connect copy

mild ginkgo
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Ah darn

hexed roost
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So give it a try now if you're still having trouble @night blaze

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Like 3 minutes after I sent GOG an email, it appeared in my list of eligible games

mild ginkgo
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@delicate sail for the record, we had no idea this was going to happen, would've let you know

night blaze
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Worked! @hexed roost

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Fuckk yessss

graceful wing
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yeah as mentioned earlier we only found out about dusk being on connect after it was already up there

hexed roost
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Awesome, glad to hear it

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Yeah, I literally woke up to a DM that was like... a picture of DUSK with a GOG.com localization string attached to it, that said "Is this GOG Connect?"

night blaze
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haha, I think they had a problem there, it too so long

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Like always with GOG 😆

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Lan party on my house PC's hell yeah

hexed roost
upbeat trout
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but

hexed roost
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This is the pic I got this morning lol

upbeat trout
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what exactly does this give us?

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like I already got dusk

hexed roost
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It's for those who want the game on GOG

upbeat trout
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ah ok

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I just ran through all the dusk goodies tho

hexed roost
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The "officially" DRM free version, even though we don't wrap the Steam version w/ DRM 😛

upbeat trout
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damn the way david improved over time

graceful wing
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if you own the steam copy you might as well go through connect

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takes a few minutes and it's free

upbeat trout
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even in its pre-pre-pre alpha dusk was something you could put up on steam for 5$ and be fine with

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but the way it was improved and the amount of love poured into it is amazing

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I dont think I'll do the gog thing bc tbh I cant bother downloading yet another launcher

graceful wing
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you can do connect without a launcher

upbeat trout
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say no more

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@hexed roost also you probably do have some small drm since when adding steamworks to unity, you usually at least check if steam is on and if the acc owns the running game

graceful wing
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nope, dusk doesn't care about any of those things

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the only thing it checks for is steamworks for multiplayer and achievements

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the game will still launch regardless of whether steam is installed on the system or not afaik

upbeat trout
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interesting choice

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but respectable

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also I kinda encountered the red fish for the first time and they're like demonic versions of the carrot pufferfish

graceful wing
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we don't want to stop people who've bought a legitimate copy from having lan parties with friends or playing offline while traveling etc

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the piracy is an insignificant drop in the bucket for us

upbeat trout
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yeah I guess it does make sense

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for my own stuff I only do the steamworks thing because cant make it too easy to pirate also like to make sure achievments work

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but for a retro fps with lan functionality the feature makes sense

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and people who pirate would probably not buy the game anyways or would buy it anyways

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depending on why they pirate it

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so good point there

solar olive
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almost 10 hours, no luck. And profile was set to public.

viral gate
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Same here

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Gotta wait a little longer I guess, didn't know demand would be this crazy

twin seal
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Did you actually refresh the page or just clicked the Refresh button for your profile? It needed to refresh the page for me.

eager bluff
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do the dusk devs like GOG more than Steam?

solar olive
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There, it worked.

eager bluff
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I see. Cool that you can get it added on your GOG list.

runic rapids
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Thank you Dave "Big John" Ohsry

queen coral
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when is the gog connect ending? I'm getting "NO ELIGIBLE GAMES FOUND

Stay tuned for more games joining GOG Connect."

sand lagoon
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GOG CONNECT WHAT

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YEAH YEAH

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@queen coral Weird, I'm getting that too

dreamy dust
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I CAN PLAY DUSK ON GOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

proven lichen
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yeah, gog connect br0ke

sand lagoon
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Damn :<

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You might be able to speed it up by also opening the game and closing it

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That's what I did, not sure if that's why it popped up though

drowsy oriole
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I bought both steam and gog copies, and 100%ed both of them. Does this mean I have no reason/won't be able to use gog connect, or will there be something extra if I do it?

bright elbow
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GOG Connect ain't working for me ;(

bold sand
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thanks for the gog copy dave! tothetop

crimson folio
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GOG Connect not working for me either

timber ferry
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Logging in and out of steam helped mine work. It didn’t work for like 6 hours.

crimson folio
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Avain I have mad respect for the NB crew and David after reading what you posted about Dusk and how you have it integrated in Steam (and by proxy GOG). I did the Connect thing because I want to boost its stats on GOG. It's almost a shame because I was lowkey debating on buying it again, but maybe I'll buy it for a friend instead. Thanks!

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BTW it JUST worked for me after several hours of it not working. GOG has a lot of gremlins under the hood at times, so I don't fault NB

pearl lichen
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just thought this would be important

crimson folio
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Looks like someones gonna spit toxic goo at The Wall.

cosmic urchin
pearl lichen
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amazing

crimson folio
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Can’t wait for SDK to see shit like this

hexed roost
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Give the GOG stuff time, they're under heavy load with their Winter sale. It took me a few hours earlier today, but eventually I managed to get a copy for my alt.

gleaming berry
proven lichen
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this does not help

slow olive
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sorry i dont know anything about GOG

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what does this even do

twin seal
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Gives you a GOG copy if you have it on Steam.

upbeat trout
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guys

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what exactly is the big john joke

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I dont get it

jagged ferry
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someone hasn't erebus'd

gaunt haven
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rise of the triad remake

granite gazelle
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anyone got a GOG Connect copy of DUSK to spare? i'm willing to share my account

tardy slate
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are you saying you didnt buy dusk

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what the fuck

granite gazelle
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sadly yes

tardy slate
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steam winter sale is starting in 7 days

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ya better get it

granite gazelle
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how much would it be by then

tardy slate
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probably cheap

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my prices are in rubles

granite gazelle
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mine in EUR

tardy slate
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so they wont tell ya much

granite gazelle
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i can convert eventually

tardy slate
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well russian prices are at like 40% discount always sooo

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i dunno

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but in any case expect it to go down at the winter sale that's for sure

granite gazelle
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i'll just give up on ultima underworld and a humble art bundle and save up eventually if people commission me

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bruu

atomic pasture
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I couldnt connect dusk to my steam :(

simple pilot
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keep trying

atomic pasture
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Oki

simple pilot
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b sure your profile is public

crimson folio
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Dusk is literally a childs macaroni art

hasty breach
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ive been stuck on how to monikafy dusk for a bit

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its 4

crimson folio
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draw a scientist monika

cosmic urchin
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cartdog monika

small halo
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Nyarlathotep Monika

runic rapids
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"Who did you expect, here at the end? God? The Devil, perhaps? No... it's just... me."

hasty breach
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yeah im gonna do that but with caleb monika

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so basically blod

amber yarrow
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Guys, I have a question. Gogatorium doesn't show up in my GOG copy of Dusk. Does me installing the game via offline installer and not GOG Galaxy have something to do with it, or...?

crimson folio
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Nah I'm pretty sure it should work with the offline installer

amber yarrow
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Weird...

crimson folio
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@prisma halo you know anything about this?

mild ginkgo
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The offline installer could be messed up

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It might not be up to date

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I'm willing to bet they used the wrong version to make it

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We aren't in control of it

amber yarrow
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OK I'm gonna reinstall it via Galaxy to see if it works that way.

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...wait.

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I figured it out.

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Running the "Launch DUSK" shortcut fixes this.

crimson folio
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🤔

slow harness
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I read it as "Launch SDK"

mild ginkgo
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Nah SDK got cancelled

slow harness
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SDK is really close right?

mild ginkgo
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(not really)

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SDK is soon

slow harness
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But oshry said "extremely close"

amber yarrow
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Ooohhh, NOW I know what the problem is.

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For some reason, the Gogatorium is not listed when I go to the "Endless" select while I'm already playing a game.

mild ginkgo
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Oh

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Ok that's mistake

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Ty

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We can fix that

amber yarrow
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You're welcome! Patiently waiting. DAVE

crimson folio
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dusk is husk

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dusk more like fiat

upbeat trout
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okay how do I get it on my gog acc without downloading galaxy

crimson folio
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go to there website

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?

upbeat trout
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ah ok

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did it

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sorry

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I'm actually stupid

full sandal
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it's genius

small halo
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Is the superhot serum supposed to turn you into the flash when used properly with a thrown object

spare robin
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yes

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intended

runic rapids
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specially hilarious with the crossbow

wintry rampart
olive cloud
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Sdk close

crimson folio
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Sdk

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NOW

ripe lark
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is coop coming this sdk release or later?

spare robin
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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co-op is made possible using the sdk!!!

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so later!!!

ripe lark
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\o/

final jacinth
vague egret
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CMON EAT ME

jade root
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Lain-kun is into vore 😳

final jacinth
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this turned a certain direction lol

upbeat trout
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can we have tabs for the dusk soundtrack

jade root
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Hm?

slow harness
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tabs

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idiot jab

jade root
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Hm?

slow harness
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Totally
Accurate
Battle
Simulator

jade root
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Hm?

slow harness
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T - give
A - me
B - your
S - feet

  • please please please jab
jade root
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Hm?

upbeat trout
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no tho

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guitar tabs

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ie a how to play basically

spare robin
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ask andrew or something

upbeat trout
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how do I

spare robin
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he's probably very busy making music for every other game though

upbeat trout
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yeah

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😦

spare robin
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AndrewH#3637

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that's him

upbeat trout
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@urban sparrow

balmy sluice
upbeat trout
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tabs for dusk soundrack?

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oh

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ok

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sorry

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also how do you play the same exact song twice without tabs

spare robin
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just have perfect pitch

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obviously

upbeat trout
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can I at least have the tuning for the songs?

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seems like drop c or some 7 string stuff

balmy sluice
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I dont even think he knows the tuning for some of the songs.

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ive asked before

upbeat trout
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bruh

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lmao okay we going by ear on this

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I'm gonna figure out departure to destruction at least

sturdy ermine
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me : own dusk on steam

gog : nuh-huh.

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me : dusk is on my steam , give me the thing

gog : no.

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it's like gog hates me.

ivory sage
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gog is fucking with me aswell

crimson folio
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Just keep trying

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It gave up the goods after several hours last night.

severe quail
#

anyone else having problems with gog connect? :/

dim star
#

yup

crimson folio
#

GOG 🅱️ONNECT

graceful wing
#

gog connect has been a bit unreliable yeah

crimson folio
#

Avain fix!

graceful wing
#

play the game on steam for a while, log out of both gog and steam and then try reconnecting again

#

itt'll go through eventually if you keep trying

severe quail
#

how long is the offer going to be up for is my concern

silk sandal
#

It would suck not being able to connect in time.

severe quail
#

^

graceful wing
#

i have no idea

#

i'd imagine it'll stay up for a decent amount of time though

silk sandal
#

It worked once I used a different browser.

severe quail
#

going to try that

graceful wing
#

incognito mode might also help

severe quail
#

really? thats interesting

graceful wing
#

also turn off ad / script / other blockers or extensions that modify web pages in any way

severe quail
#

good lawd

silk sandal
#

Hmm interesting.

graceful wing
#

i have no idea if any of this will actually make a difference

severe quail
#

still no workie on different browser

#

lol ok

graceful wing
#

i'm just trying to remove any possible outside factors that may be causing the connect page to not work properly

crimson folio
#

I had to stop trying for like 3 hours, then logged in with a fresh browser and it worked.

graceful wing
#

yeah, persistence is the main piece of advice here

crimson folio
#

I also logged into galaxy and logged out, too. Idk if it helps

sturdy ermine
#

i got it.

#

but not intruder edition

#

oh wait

#

i got a few goodies ?

#

it don't make nuh senses

slow harness
#

wait i can get gog dusk if i have steam dusk?

#

thus get gogatorium?

sly path
#

Yeah you can.

delicate sail
#

And last but certainly not least: the SDK and Steam Workshop are coming...
very... VERY... SOON™️.<

ornate juniper
#

happy birthday dusk!

reef pecan
#

bro there's no way it's been a year

slow harness
#

very... VERY... SOON

patent flare
#

Jokes on you, NB. I already got Dusk on both steam AND GOG. You did this for NOTHING. Muahahahaha

delicate sail
#

Would be sweet if the dev commentary made it into the game

carmine escarp
#

I got a friend of mine into Dusk today

#

Also he bound jump to middle mouse button

woeful plover
#

Happy Birthday DUSK!!

crimson folio
#

Tbh DUSK Dude is just an amazon delivery guy

jagged ferry
#

ergo your package is buckshot to the face

crimson folio
#

He could’ve made more of a fortune being an amazon delivery guy than a treasure hunter.

final estuary
#

dusk stranding

crimson folio
#

I can already see this being a wad.

final estuary
#

deliver the soap to big john's residence

crimson folio
#

Pizza Delivery before dusk or your money back guy

final estuary
#

i can't wait for npc scripting in the sdk when they get there

#

could add tons of new shit

crimson folio
#

I don't know who I AT to but, thank you for doing the GoG connect. You guys are one of my favorite developer teams.

real seal
#

NYAHAHAHA

#

KAHMON, KEEL MEH.

#

I need to know something vitally important about Dusk: How much of a ball-ache was it for David to make the Escher Labs level?

sonic hare
#

what made connect eventually work for me was booting DUSK once more from steam after linking the accounts

upbeat trout
#

no one's online right

#

on duskworld

simple pilot
crimson folio
#

If HL1 maps could be played in Dusk, does that mean i can get CS 1.6 maps to work too?

#

Until we get the SDK.

low kelp
#

You still need the SDK to convert them into something DUSK understands

#

It'll at least handle the Quake and Half-Life formats right off the bat, from the looks of it

crimson folio
#

Co-op campaign?

#

Why, i have no friends who wants to play the game.

low kelp
#

Well, it's been on the to-do for ages

crimson folio
#

Anyway, if i want to add a translation to the game, should i wait for SDK or i could start on translating right away?

#

For Romanian.

low kelp
#

looks like localization stuff is in a txt currently, so i guess you could start doing it right now

#

at work, so don't have it installed here :p

crimson folio
#

Thanks.

low kelp
#

I'd suggest making a copy you work on, and then paste it into the game dir when testing, so you don't lose your work if there's an update to that file :p

crimson folio
#

I've already made a copy.

low kelp
#

👍

crimson folio
#

Maybe this month i could get something subtantial.

low kelp
#

just wanted to make sure, since i've lost some various mods i've fiddled with over the years ;_;

#

(personal projects for fun, but still)

crimson folio
#

I've never bothered with mods, maybe i'll give a try with Dusk SDK.

#

There's so much to port from HL and Quake.

low kelp
#

oh yeah

jagged ferry
#

if there's a place to start it WOULD be dusk

low kelp
#

first on my list is porting over some quake maps i've worked on-and-off over the past years

#

started in worldcraft, then recently-ish ported it over to trenchbroom

#

think i started in 2015 or something <<

runic rapids
#

if HL1 maps are compatible are all goldsrc maps gonna be compatible

#

that's the question

low kelp
#

i would guess so, since even if a mod increases various limits, it's still the same format

crimson folio
#

Maybe WRATH: Aeon of Ruin isn't massively modified, so we could snitch some level when the SDK arrives.

simple pilot
#

yes, play wrath for free in dusk

#

two games in price of one LeonApproved

crimson folio
#

Why stop at 2?

atomic egret
#

it's probably more possible than you think

graceful wing
#

We won't allow sharing of ripped maps like that on the workshop btw. Bit of a legal issue

atomic egret
#

but it is possible

#

with a little work

crimson folio
#

But better we wait for the game to release, i find it similar to how PS2 simulator works, which require a copy of your PS2 system, but the internet provides.

#

Or they could just modified so it wouldn't be possbile in the first place.

thin sphinx
#

CS 1.6 should be the same map format as HL1 the entity's that CS 1.6 uses for round logic and stuff won't work in all likely hood but other than that the map should load fine.

atomic egret
#

any bsp format map should work with little editing required

thin sphinx
#

and by map logic i mean CS game mode logic exclusively

#

but out of the box maps should work geometry wise.

atomic egret
#

correct

#

iirc we are supporting quake 1 bsp, quake 3 bsp and half life bsp

thin sphinx
#

just a thought but a dusk mod that is a dusk counter strike gamemode sounds fun.

atomic egret
#

maybe quake 2 bsp later down the line

thin sphinx
#

buy menu/money system but with just dusk weapons

atomic egret
#

buy soap for 1 mil

thin sphinx
#

for somereason it sounds very interesting to me

crimson folio
#

Just plain add lootboxes were weapons would've spawn, 0.1% for the soap.

thin sphinx
#

maybe a few other things like exploding barrels and soap as a weapon.

low kelp
#

soap shrapnel from explosions

thin sphinx
#

lever action is cheap but you have to buy it twice.

crimson folio
#

pistols shoots soaps.

thin sphinx
#

i might see about making this

#

could be fun

low kelp
#

(i do like how there's a soap more or less hidden in each level btw, reminds me a bit about the planned secret in perfect dark where they hid a wedge of cheese in every level)

crimson folio
#

In L4D2 i used to gather an entire collection of stupid funny mods to make the game more fun.

thin sphinx
#

i love silly mods

crimson folio
#

Ed, Edd and Edy sounds to complete it.

thin sphinx
#

wish more MP games supported mods

#

beyond maps

#

it will be fun to see the campaign recreations/ports in dusk

#

i imagine a HL1 campaign would be interesting

runic rapids
#

dusk prequel

#

dusk 2: dusker

low kelp
#
take dusk maps
rotate 90 degrees
upscale 50%
release
crimson folio
#

Thats the Australian version.

low kelp
#

nah, that'd be 180 :3

crimson folio
#

Half way there.

runic rapids
#

that's new game plus

#

a jacob prequel could be cool

#

"dawn" or some shit

#

not sure what it'd be about, if the cult wasn't up ebfore what did he even fight to be worthy?

crimson folio
#

Story wise or lore wise i feel the game is complete, the end is good.

runic rapids
#

I wanna see more of it level wise, and since environmental storytelling is such a big part of the levels I feel we need something

#

but I do think it'd be hard to top the current episodes in terms of constant surpries

crimson folio
#

We need

#

Carcosa

#

We already have Nyarlathotep.

short basalt
#

it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living god...

crimson folio
#

Short chapter but it was good.

short basalt
#

how does one make a chapter about the king in yellow?

crimson folio
#

Is a book from 1895.

#

Half is decent the other half pure garbage.

short basalt
#

i know what it is, i have read it

crimson folio
#

Dusk but you mirror the levels

mild ginkgo
#

There's literally a cheat for that

short basalt
#

DuuD

crimson folio
#

I know

#

Also good morning scott

mild ginkgo
#

It's 9pm

upbeat trout
#

I just want dusk cp_orange_x3

short basalt
#

no

mild ginkgo
#

Gmorning 2 u

simple pilot
#

Dusk but levels are mirrored vertically

upbeat trout
#

will we be able to run custom map servers?

#

also if I own the game on both Steam and GOG, I need to download it on gog to get the gogatorium right?

mild ginkgo
#

Yes and yes

upbeat trout
#

nice, and rip

mild ginkgo
#

If you were cheeky you could swap the level file into the steam version

#

Just replace a level you don't like as much

simple pilot
abstract skiff
#

Dusk is awesome.

mild ginkgo
#

You are awesome

simple pilot
#

M3aslyTpod is awesome

mild ginkgo
#

@abstract skiff is blessed

#

I wish I could repay him somehow

upbeat trout
#

also

#

I'm sorta stuck on e3m6

#

after the blue and red keys

#

anyone got any help?

#

ok nvm found it

runic rapids
#

dusk 2fort

low kelp
#

everything here is awesome

simple pilot
#

excuse me

low kelp
#

👉 😎 👉

abstract skiff
#

@mild ginkgo @simple pilot TY!
OH I totally forgot to beat DUSK in Duskmare mode....

spare robin
#

do it or you die

#

in real

simple pilot
#

i forgot to beat dusk in DM

#

when i die?

abstract skiff
#

I once tried, and was killed by that annoying scarecrow...

mild ginkgo
#

@abstract skiff you do Japan proud

blissful mesa
low kelp
#

hah

spare robin
#

which is worse

low kelp
#

well, you always look extra munted on photos people take

glass pulsar
#

E1M10 seems too small to have a secret heh...

#

Been looking for hours

final estuary
#

Wall

#

Thats all I'll tell you

crimson folio
#

ok

glass pulsar
#

I must now mash e even more!

#

You have to be kidding me

#

I never thought it would be here because of events

#

That scared the shit out of me

#

I loved that adrenaline rush

#

thank you

sinful axle
#

Crypt of flesh got less scary when I learned the sword yeets on the horrors

thin sphinx
#

gogatoruim is fun

#

even has the cut grapple balls

#

you only see them in dusk world after this

crimson folio
#

grapple these balls
lmao gottem

low kelp
#

can't stop being hyped for sdk

hollow lagoon
#

SDK will bring such wonderful content, like Crack Dusk and Brutal Dusk

#

Oh, and H-Dusk

#

Soviet Dusk

faint lantern
#

I love that new blood outright used half life maps to advertise the SDK
I wonder if valve is ok with it

low kelp
#

well, it was just for screenshots showing how flexible the thing is, and valve tend to be cool with stuff that doesn't outright do "play this valve game in other game"

#

since people can port their old half-life stuff over somewhat conveniently

#

this is just me guessing, btw

#

so, no legal advice :p

faint lantern
#

fair enough

low kelp
#

just, well, don't port all of the hl1 maps and put it up for download :p

hollow lagoon
#

I wonder what those cut-out enemies will be like

#

And weapons too

low kelp
#

heh

simple pilot
#

H-D

#

aka

low kelp
#

i'm just thinking how to:

  1. redo stuff i made for my quake maps so it works better for dusk
  2. retexture all of the things
  3. actually finish the damned thing
hollow lagoon
#

I desire sound mods that make the entire game one giant shitpost

simple pilot
#

Hideous Dusktructor

faint lantern
#

I hope it won't take too long for them to add support for custom weapons

hollow lagoon
#

Uber tactical Dusk would legit be cool

faint lantern
#

I wanna try my hand at making a small campaign with like, everything custom

#

enemies, maps, musics, guns

low kelp
#

kinda happy that map 2 for my thing will sortof work with dusk, since it does the sortof.... monolithic/oppressive architecture thing

hollow lagoon
#

Gore mods when?

low kelp
#

as in large impossible spaces

#

or, well, weird spaces

hollow lagoon
#

Dusk was MADE for impossible spaces

faint lantern
#

I mean what gore can you really add

low kelp
#

after done with worms wmd with friends, i could share some screenies if people want

hollow lagoon
#

Ragdolls in Dusk would be mindblowing

#

THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS

faint lantern
#

unity has some ragdoll stuff by default iirc

hollow lagoon
#

Dusk Source?

faint lantern
#

what do you mean

hollow lagoon
#

Dusk but like in Source Engine

#

Like Half Life Source

#

Or Source styled atleast

faint lantern
#

not sure what the point would be tbh

hollow lagoon
#

I dunno either, just a random ass thought

faint lantern
#

dusk isn't on an old engine like HL1 was, there isn't really an advantage to porting it to source

low kelp
#

or even stream the thing via discord if there's interest

#

i'm just psyched that you can port stuff from quake to it, so you can duskify stuff

hollow lagoon
#

Dusked Half Life stuff would be cool as shit

#

Imagine the Vorts in Dusk's style

simple pilot
#

no

hollow lagoon
#

Oh shit, you right

#

THAT WOULD BE HORRIFYING

faint lantern
#

I want to see someone try a campaign with 100% unique gun models, enemy models, world textures, etc, with a different art style from regular dusk
if I don't do it myself

#

like that dude that made a mario bros themed doom campaign

#

well, mario world

hollow lagoon
#

Expect a shit ton of Total Conversions coming soon after

#

It's gonna be Gucci, to say the least

faint lantern
#

also I wonder if we'll be restricted to dusk's style of chapter progression or if we'll be able to do weird shit like hub worlds & whatnot

#

dusk metroidvania 👀

hollow lagoon
#

OOOOoooo

faint lantern
#

I imagine we might be restricted to dusk's chapter stuff at first, and we might be able to do more custom stuff later

jagged ferry
#

for the first release probably limited to dusk style

#

by final release you'll probably be able to do just about anything you want

faint lantern
#

nice

hollow lagoon
#

We talking Doom Tier shit my boy

low kelp
#

i just want to move my geometry over

jagged ferry
#

don't quote me on that though

#

i'm not a dev

low kelp
#

even if i have to retexture

#

since, geometry-wise i think i'm good theme-wise

sinful axle
#

I want to praise Dusk's difficulty levels. Specifically, enemy HP doesn't seem to change. Even on the easiest mode, you have to put some ammo down to kill a Wendigo. He's already slower and deals less damage, but the game doesn't insult the player by making him have 100 hp.

Now look at Cero Miedo. Kinda tough, but enemies have the same hp. There's no bullshit of needing 2 rivets to kill a cultist. Cero Miedo tweaked values to make the experience more challenging, but not padded or boring - no one likes sponges

I think it's good design and I hope more games use this system

low kelp
#

yeah

#

you want to keep that muscle memory working

#

so, fine if you take more damage, or there are more enemies

thorn trout
#

yeah I was very adamant about not changing enemy health based on difficulty, since that's part of the combat feel, not just the challenge

low kelp
#

senpai noticed us

#

:3

#

but yeah, you want to know that that enemy needs say.... one blast of the super shotty from that distance

spare robin
#

Hakita is typing...

dim star
#

it depends on the game but with dusk not changing health is definitely a good choice

low kelp
#

well, i'd say the same goes for most high-paced shooters

spare robin
#

It sure makes blood hell

#

increasing enemy health

low kelp
#

like say, serious sam does some health changes on the easier difficulties, but medium and up are the same for enemy health

dim star
#

yeah most shooters in general dont benefit from enemies having high health because "bullet sponges" are usually not very fun to fight in games like that

low kelp
#

you want said enemy to be predictably tough to kill

#

say how serious sam skeleton things are nice, because you know that if you are close enough with the supershotty they'll be bits

#

(using that as an example because i've played the shit out of those games since the first)

#

still since david is here, cheers for making really awesome game

#

and cheers to andrew for the awesome music

#

and cheers to everyone else involved

#

(not to diminish efforts, just that drunk me only knows that david is lead dev for dusk, and andrew made music)

spare robin
#

entire reason why I hate borderlands

low kelp
#

i'd offer snus to whoever wants, if it weren't illegal

#

bullet sponges?

spare robin
#

yes

#

every enemy

low kelp
#

(illegal outside of basically sweden and the us)

spare robin
#

is a bullet sponge

low kelp
#

yeah

#

that's just..... so annoying

#

fine if it's that somewhat rare big dude, but don't do the "oh, you picked hard, now everyone has 359% more health" thing

#

as in say, the bosses in doom, the big stuff in serious sam or whatever

#

i don't mind that a massive 40 meter tall lizard who throws fireballs at me is tough to kill, but don't make something that's my size hard to kill, k?

spare robin
#

some enemies in doom4 kinda pissed me off because of ridiculous health

#

like cacos

#

??

low kelp
#

hmm, they didn't bother me that much, tbh

spare robin
#

why is a single gauss cannon not a one-shot

low kelp
#

but, can get what you are going for

#

i rarely used the gauss, since i went for either moar dakka, or shotties

#

or things that go boom

spare robin
#

they have a similar amount of health to hell knights

low kelp
#

huh

spare robin
#

which doesn't make sense to me

#

whatever

low kelp
#

never though of it that way

spare robin
#

still one of my top five

#

games

low kelp
#

yep

#

another nice way to show that you can mix the lessons of old with the things of new

#

one reason why i like dusk

spare robin
#

dusk is like quake but good

low kelp
#

hehe

#

i do love the first quake, it has a certain feel to it

spare robin
#

eh

#

I'm sure it's fine

#

the most important thing from Q1 was the tech

#

and multiplayer

low kelp
#

:3

#

the art style for some levels, along with the audio makes it for me

chilly holly
#

sdk tomorrow

crimson folio
#

u got any proof of that

chilly holly
#

i got faith

crimson folio
#

no way

chilly holly
#

yeah

#

good game

#

but yeah, sdk tomorrow

low kelp
#

plz

#

fib

#

gib even

#

i am, as some would say, quite drunk

#

so, spelling might fail

hollow lagoon
#

I mean, the stream is tomorrow too, so...

chilly holly
#

its gon happen

hollow lagoon
#

Releasing the SDK on THAT day would be O M E G A N U T

chilly holly
#

and then we wait for the full sdk release

#

and

#

H-Dusk

#

thats the true endgame

low kelp
#

i just want to port my absolution series

#

that's been played by me and like two friends

#

because i'm very self-concious

crimson folio
low kelp
#

dayum

#

that's really cool

runic rapids
#

I know most of the SDK potential seems to be taking maps from stuff + coop, but I think I might actually try to develop a fan episode

#

I've been playing with making a fan monster model so actually will we have support for custom entities

torpid locust
#

Not on release iirc

short basalt
#

just pretend it's valve working on it

runic rapids
#

I can make do for now I guess

crimson folio
#

I love the pose of that possessed soldier in the artwork.

#

🇸 🇹 ⭕ 🇵

hasty breach
#

i figured out how to replace the rats for my mod idea

#

they should be chibi monikas with needles ready to prick you

graceful wing
#

No

#

Monika stinky dumb

low kelp
#

considering that late level, it will be interesting to see how you can manipulate gravity

#

since, i have idea

#

but, no clue if it will work pre-sdk

hasty breach
#

but like the hitboxes will be vertical would that break the game bc the rat sized monikas are easier to hit?

runic rapids
#

You think the game can handle standing atop moving objects? I'm picturing a level set on the back of a giant beast and wanted it to sway a bit as you hopped around

hasty breach
#

it probably could

#

quake did

crimson folio
#

Yeah should work

low kelp
#

david and other devs right now: 😧

hasty breach
#

ok and then the black phillips are just monikas on bikes with water guns i think thats logical

crimson folio
#

Monika Dusk

hasty breach
#

i was stuck on this ohe part of city of shadows so i just crossbow jumped to the end which was a water tunnel

low kelp
#

can one make a sphere you can run around on, ala the 2006 prey game

hasty breach
#

i think i did the progression wrong so when i do my duskmare save scumming im gonna correct

#

oh

crimson folio
#

@low kelp don't know

low kelp
#

heh, just askin

#

will have to see what i can do when sdk is out

#

since, with the sdk close, i'm starting to get an idea of how to tie together the stuff i did, and make context

#

somewhast off-topic, me and friends worms game has basically become a game of dominance between sweden/finland which is hilarious

final jacinth
#

Awww is the dog post gone 👀

#

it was not what it seemed

mild ginkgo
#

I had a dream about cartdogs texture being replaced with an HD texture pack where it was a photorealistic dog texture wrapped around the low poly dog

#

What a night

royal herald
#

you're dreaming in dusk now

#

make it happen

crimson folio
#

Dude

#

I had a dream about RMS like 2 days ago

#

It was wild

royal herald
#

I had a dream about the game I'm making that doesn't even exist yet

#

I took it as a prophecy. it was really serene, like seeing into the future

#

amazing what the human mind can produce

jagged ferry
#

drug infinitum

royal herald
#

ironically I've never had so much as a sip of alcohol

#

maybe it's my junkie friends

#

tbh though

#

photorealistic cart dog would be pretty funny

#

someone will inevitably make the cart dog roxy sometime soon

sinful axle
#

is there a way to know which levels i havent got soap in yet? i replayed to get all secrets but missed soap somewhere

jagged ferry
#

no

royal herald
#

yes there is

#

I don't remember how but I know you can tell

#

it's convoluted but possible none the less

#

one of the devs probably knows

jade root
#

normie: wheres dusk 2
woke: wheres fingerbones 2
ascending: wheres lets play horror game part 2

rare musk
#

wheres dusk 3

hasty breach
#

dusk sonic mod

crimson folio
#

Almighty being: wheres a game by dabid that doesn’t include horror elements.

full sandal
#

smh

thorn trout
#

umm

#

hmm

#

well,

full sandal
#

he'll get back to you

thorn trout
#

naw I have a few

full sandal
#

sumo redux?

thorn trout
#

most of the ones in here

#

also yeah Sumo, although I was no main dev on that

#

Johnny is to blame for it

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but honestly, Sumo is really REALLY fun in local multiplayer

full sandal
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just watching the stream was amazing

thorn trout
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we just didn't give the concept the chance it needed

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it's a blast

full sandal
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using the app to have 5 people play on one keyboard remotely

thorn trout
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like... it's just ridiculous chaos the whole time

drowsy oriole
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Hold the goddamn phone.
The stream wasn't saved?
Did anyone save it?

spare robin
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it's happening tomorrow

full sandal
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i don't know

thorn trout
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yeah it's tomorrow at 12 pst

full sandal
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@drowsy oriole the sumo redux stream?

thorn trout
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oh that

drowsy oriole
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fuck me i thought it was today

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sorry

full sandal
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oh lol

empty quail
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if the anniversary stream doesn't devolve into shitposting with turning every enemy model into big john then 0/10

solar olive
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i'll try to watch the stream if possible, there will be visitors at home tomorrow, and timing might be an issue for me.

upbeat trout
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one question

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can anyone explain the big john thing

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I never saw him in game despite finishing the whole thing

tardy slate
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what

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the soldier boss??

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"HAHA KILL MEE YAHAHA"

balmy sluice
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I really want to know how you managed to miss seeing him lol

simple pilot
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fokken skipper

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he skipped whole episode probably

balmy sluice
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😔

faint lantern
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give sdk

simple pilot
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make one

queen coral
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if you stack boxes just right you could kill big john without triggering his fight

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not sure if you can still do it

balmy sluice
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Yeah, but who does that on a first playthrough?

queen coral
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that's a great question

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one I have absolutely no idea how to reply, but I wouldn't doubt people's ability to do weird shit by mistake

upbeat trout
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I played all 3 episodes

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I just

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didnt see big john?

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or dont remember him

atomic egret
upbeat trout
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where large john

queen coral
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did you have sound off or something

upbeat trout
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possible

queen coral
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how tf do you miss big jahn

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he's on erebus reactor, its the area boss

upbeat trout
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the erebus reactor was that mission with the spinning teeth right?

queen coral
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no, the big arena that opens up

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to the sight of well

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the erebus reactor

upbeat trout
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I'll try to find big john

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here we go

queen coral
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you HAVE to find him, otherwise you cant finish the level

faint lantern
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sizable jonathan

queen coral
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johnson of a rather expanded scale

balmy sluice
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The only thing I can figure, is that he was looking up at the ceiling opening up while walking towards the jump pad, John walked out and away, and then Rapid just ran in and missed him.

queen coral
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the idea of jonas of whose size is of a rather peculiar proportion just going

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"HAHA IM HERE IM HERE "

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while dude's just staring at the sky

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is just amazing

balmy sluice
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Dude, I cannot think of any other way someone could miss it

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That's the most rational thing I can come up with

queen coral
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It is beautifully fitting

atomic egret
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I'm imagining john slowly approaching him from behind while he's taking some screenshot of the skybox and just walks off never even seeing him

queen coral
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poor john only wanted to be noticed

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why are you so mean

simple pilot
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he wanted to be killed

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just like me

balmy sluice
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Maybe, he just thought Big John was so incredibly dumb and out of place that he just forgot about him.

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In that case, all is forgiven.

upbeat trout
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okay

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I defeated large jonathan

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yeah I remember him

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he got himself stuck in a corner my first playthrough

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I pelted him with the riveter and crossbow and he died

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I didnt get any nice voice lines this time either tho

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just some arnold-esque noises

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so basically your last theory is correct @balmy sluice

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"large soldier got stuck on a corner making arnold noises, ok I guess"

runic rapids
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to arrange for "what's the deal with him", he's a bit of a carryover meme from the rise of the triad remake

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which 2/3 dusk devs worked on

atomic egret
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And a bunch of the qa

runic rapids
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mhm

graceful wing
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Yea a lot of us actually came over to NB from interceptor funnily enough

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Dave, me, cam, riet etc etc

faint lantern
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༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ give sdk ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ

graceful wing
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no (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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Real talk were getting very close to it. We're mostly focused on finalizing user experience and some last minute implementations / bug fixes before we ship the inititial version over to you guys

faint lantern
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ay

simple pilot
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from who

graceful wing
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Shut up komrade

crimson folio
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When are we gonna see Avains game

graceful wing
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avain man 4?

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i just provide material for it sometimes

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shion is making the game @jade root

faint lantern
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I know we'll be able to replace weapon models but will we be able to change the animations 🤔

crimson folio
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yes but prolly not in the first releases

faint lantern
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oof

mild ginkgo
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wow jakob thats nice of you

faint lantern
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gonna be hard to replace the shotgun with anything not lever action

crimson folio
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@mild ginkgo what do you mean 🤔

mild ginkgo
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your name is jakob nice

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and you were nice by helping others

graceful wing
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: )

crimson folio
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Jab changed it to "Remember when Jakob was nice" when I called him cringe

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so this is what I changed it back to

faint lantern
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a story for the ages

graceful wing
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who's jab?

crimson folio
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Avain can I bribe you to demod Jab

graceful wing
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i don't know who that is

crimson folio
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GOG Connect!

upbeat trout
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this art is really weird

thorn trout
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@raw blade I love it

raw blade
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aww thanks

faint lantern
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is there gonna be a version of the campaign with the commentary integrated like portal etc?

thorn trout
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It's something we'd definitely like to do in the future

faint lantern
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nice

short basalt
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welp, bye sleep, i didn't really need you today

sinful axle
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Is Oshry jacked?

crimson folio
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Yes

graceful wing
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nah

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just short

faint lantern
crimson folio
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NES zapper

faint lantern
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yup

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to replace the base pistol
got an idea for a campaign based on several retro games, with weapons & levels from different games

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idk if that's gonna be possible right away but maybe it'd be cool to have both versions of the zapper when dual weilding
grey one on the right, orange one on the left

muted night
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So has anything changed between dusk episode 3 and now in terms of single player content?

crimson folio
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I don't think so

faint lantern
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not that i know of
we're getting the sdk very soon tho

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which will allow peoples to make more solo content

crimson folio
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No Civvie?

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Who?