OHWAIT
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
jade root
Cause China is weird about imagery of skulls and stuff
viral gate
Ahhhhh
jade root
It’s like super taboo
viral gate
I'm gonna make an elite version called Calcium Priests now
crimson folio
Wait, did they remove Bone Monks?
I loved fighting those enemies. Are they getting replaced or something?
prisma halo
I'm not personally aware of any such change
simple pilot
just replace bone monks with rats
opal plover
I mean it's not even like the enemy names are part of the game itself
Well pre SDK anyway
prisma halo
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't affect internal names anyway
It'd be pretty hard to conditionally change monster_bonemonk
Maybe I should just make it monster_monk
lol
opal plover
Yeah but I was thinking if you guys ever add kill messages which I guess would be more a coop thing
prisma halo
Those wouldn't involve internal names anyway
They'd be actual messages, and localized
Like you wouldn't see Zombie was boned by a monster_bonemonk
opal plover
Yeah that's what I'm saying
Then the names of the enemies would actually be involved in the game itself
jade root
Rare zombie post
(He too busy being a big brain after watching Dr Stone)
Currently he is inventing a machine to keep rain away from pools so that patrons don’t get wet
simple pilot
can you spawn SDK on demand?
crimson folio
Zombie posting in chat 
crimson folio
any1 have a high res version of the dusk text but it's the drawn white version?
final estuary
Are you just looking for the font face?
It's Lycanthrope and Celtic Garamond the 2nd
final estuary
Yeah
stray violet
i remember when i first saw the title screen with the leatherneck lying dead in the middle with the 2 sickles in his back.
i had no idea the wild ride I was in for
and that fricken perfect Andrew Hulshult ost
i hope he gets the chance to contribute to the score for an ACTUAL doom game in the future
like in a few years when we get Doom Everlasting or some shit like that lmao
crude sun
Imagine a collab of andrew with THE Mick Gordon
olive cloud
thats probably what the delay was for
rocky lichen
crimson folio
bobby prince's osts are good and memorable but they are not masterpieces due to the limitations of the time
crude sun
Agreed
crimson folio
one of his best works is Duke Nukem 3d ost
Mick Gordon created something more musically interesting with Doom 4 than Bobby Prince did with Doom 1
Partially because the limitations were off
technical limitations
crude sun
It’s not that the limitations were off, it’s just that there are a lot less nowadays
crimson folio
Thats what im saying
compared to the old technical limitations, you can do alot more with a game's soundtrack nowadays
queen coral
how likely is it that we could get some conversions of the dusk maps to .bsp when the sdk drops
open areas could be easily emulated with skybox textures right?
mild ginkgo
unfortunately pretty low, attempts have been made, but dusks geometry isnt all sealed, or convex
manual conversions sure
queen coral
so it would need some manual hammering aw
mild ginkgo
im not sure if @prisma halo has given up on it yet
but i know he ran into some issues with it
queen coral
non convex and zero-volume geometry could be converted to models, but the non-sealed areas are a PITA
prisma halo
I had some new ideas earlier but it's very up in the air
I offer zero guarantees, and if there are BSP conversions, they won't be coming any time soon
but I am going to at least try
queen coral
yeah I see why that wouldn't be at the top of the list :/
prisma halo
There's also the problem of, well
Do you convert it to .bsp or .map
The latter is arguably more useful
But that's also the one that's hard to convert to
mild ginkgo
yeah allowing people to edit it is the ideal
prisma halo
A conversion to an already compiled .bsp would actually be pretty easy
queen coral
map ofc, it was a snafu typing bsp lmao
prisma halo
Especially if you chose q3bsp as your target
queen coral
also fuck zero-volume geom, after noticing that the hedgemaze on E1M2 has that as details and they actually collide I can't unnotice it
specially since unity's character controller is not really... good
but that's a whole different rant
prisma halo
Yeah that's another pain point
They can be implemented with say, a custom entity that the game recognizes
But I imagine the main reason people would want .map ports is for bringing the levels to Quake
slow harness
hey zambie
prisma halo
yo
queen coral
thats p. much what I had in mind
slow harness
sdk
prisma halo
queen coral
tho it's likely I'd try q2 first due to colored lighting
fuck darkplaces tho, too resource intensive
slow harness
boomer soon or zoomer soon?
prisma halo
coomer soon 
slow harness
sad gamer moments
prisma halo
oh yeah speaking of the sdk, some of you may find this cool
slow harness
?
jagged ferry
OH BOY
prisma halo
I was talking to some friends earlier and I managed to find an old API design file I wrote
https://gist.github.com/DaZombieKiller/e52b92fec39e3bfce7b68789675f5a59
Covers the API that the BSP loaders use to generate Unity scenes
jagged ferry
hm
slow harness
and that helped the development of the SDK?
prisma halo
It's effectively code from the SDK itself
Or rather, it's the shape of some of the code within it
lean wolf
is that snippet basically what helps to import bsp stuff to unity?
prisma halo
It's part of the process
The BSP loaders for each format (Q1/Q2/Q3) read in the data, and then use the above API to generate the actual Unity scene
crude geyser
hello, sdk?
royal herald
sdk broken
crimson folio
@prisma halo how does the implementation of Dusk with Trenchbroom work? are you in contact with the Trenchbroom dev to implement Dusk in, like he's doing with WRATH?
prisma halo
There's no specific implementation with TrenchBroom itself, since there doesn't really need to be
We load BSP files, not MAP files
TrenchBroom is simply a tool for authoring the BSPs, and happens to be the one we encourage the use of
That said, getting an .fgd for Dusk supplied with TrenchBroom releases would be cool, and is something that's being considered
crimson folio
I was expecting it to be something like this
well I don't understand all this bsp talk very well, but as long as it works...
Oh boy I can’t wait to spawn a hundred guardians then crash.
prisma halo
There will be something like that, yes
crimson folio
oh I see
mild ginkgo
Its also incredibly easy to make your own fgd
crimson folio
||what's a fgd?||
mild ginkgo
but either way, trenchbrooms author has indicated he'd be willing to officially support a dusk definition in the past, but we havent worked that out yet
its simply a file/ set of files that defines how trenchbroom behaves
specifically, it defines the entities you can use from a practical standpoint
along with some default settings like worldspawn, etc
crimson folio
cool, thanks for explaining
prisma halo
I've been experimenting with automatic .fgd generation too, so say if a mod has a bunch of custom entities
you could just get the game to make your .fgd for you
cloud gazelle
so is it possible to open dusk maps in trenchbroom right now?
prisma halo
As in the main game's levels?
For various technical reasons that isn't a planned feature, but it's being looked into
Converting those levels into something TB can open is... complicated
crude geyser
@royal herald thank you, have a wonderful day
crimson folio
When zombie posts in chat 🙏
crimson folio
Temple mystica
slow harness
_re
prisma halo
^ temple mystica is my favorite too
crimson folio
hell ye
jagged ferry
i don't play duskworld so i have no idea what any of the maps are let alone what they're called
and i'm entirely justified in inserting myself in this conversation regardless because this is #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk and not #374852069137580033
checkmate
lean wolf
i dont remember the map names 😦
crimson folio
anyone wanna play duskworld?
jagged ferry
#lfg-signup and/or #374852069137580033 my dude
crimson folio
ok
errant carbon
Yo, random fucking question I can't remember the answer to, is the location of the town of Dusk confirmed ever?
jagged ferry
pennsylvania
errant carbon
Thanks
jagged ferry
👍
cloud gazelle
eastern or western penn
jade root
Middle
jagged ferry
dusk is located in exactly the middle of pennsylvania confirmed
grave barn
Dusk is at the center of the universe which happens to be the exact center of Pennsylvania as well
jagged ferry
exActly
final estuary
Dusk, PA should be canonically next to Clairon
jagged ferry
the fuck is clairon
final estuary
A cursed town in penn
jagged ferry
clarion
final estuary
Home to Lincoln Way, a street that was just up and abandoned in the 70s for reasons unknown
final estuary
Yeah
final estuary
Bruh
pearl lichen
Dusk takes place in Dusk
crimson folio
funny. laugh
crimson folio
DUSK takes place in steam and gog
void warren
https://youtu.be/SdKJM0ty8aw this should be the official theme song of Big John
jagged ferry
i only get the joke because of civvie's dusk e2 video
and i am simultaneously convinced that video is the only reason this video exists
wait no
i'm deaf
wrong song
jagged ferry
FUCK I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME
void warren
i feel like big john needs a spinoff game
like an expansion with him as the protagonist
jagged ferry
i feel like big john is a character that only works in a minor role
like he'd be obnoxious as a protagonist
rare musk
too bad big john is fucking dead
sly path
Big John Senior died in ROTT 13, Big John Jr died in DUSK, the Wee John Clan the ancestors of Big John's bloodline died in AE.
I explained Big John's backstory.
crimson folio
Marvelous.
void warren
it would feature obnoxious one liners from big john, and midis of ac/dc songs
it could star big john the 3rd coming to dusk for revenge for his father
either that or an alternate timeline where big john doesn't get possessed
drowsy oriole
Am I the only one who doesn't understand what the "nyalugh" thing in Arnold impersonations is from .
crimson folio
If Duskdude has Nyarlathotep's power, what do you think he will do after this?
jagged ferry
ur mum
opal oyster
SDK WHEN
ITS BEEN AWHILE HAD TO CHECK ON MY DUSKY DUSTY DUDES
Had to reformat my all my drives, and flash Bios, my computer was so fucked
took me hours to day, and hours to think about that DUSK SDK
cloud gazelle
If Duskdude has Nyarlathotep's power, what do you think he will do after this?
probably put on some sort of travelling electric light show
crimson folio
He’ll be a lava lamp.
jagged ferry
go back in time
THEN do the electric light show
boom. mad cash.
though if you go too far they might think you're a witch or a heretic and try to murder you
hrn.
pearl lichen
Used the wrong part of the track, fixed it.
crimson folio
I feel like weapons in endless should have outlines or flares.
Sorry David didn't pay $2 for the outline unity package
Haha whats a unity
Sorry David didn't spend 24 hours figuring out how to do outlines by himself
Outlines are that hard in unity?
It would take atleast 8 hours for me cus I don't know shit about shaders
simple pilot
It would have SDK
crimson folio
true
pearl lichen
Node Graph Unworthy. Rebuilding.
crimson folio
lmao
simple pilot
duskdude model in source https://www.nicepng.com/png/full/212-2123789_9-half-life-error-model.png
crimson folio
Can't get your model replaced by an error if you don't have a model Black man pointing at his head
crimson folio
Actually he has a model.
He’s just a pill though
are you sure? cus I think he only has a pill collider
mild ginkgo
hes got a pill collider and a box collider
but no mesh
well he does actually have hands
crimson folio
hands?
crimson folio
what in the
dim star
the legendary greyman
crimson folio
delete this
mild ginkgo
yes one of them is backwards
well theyre actually black but i edited the material so you could see them lol
and not like skin tone black
but like, zero color black
crimson folio
I can’t wait for DUSK SDK so I can fling enemies into the fucking sun
mild ginkgo
they were just omitted from the final game
viral gate
I prefer no hands tbh
mild ginkgo
same
crimson folio
^
viral gate
hard to get hands looking right with a lowpoly artstyle
dim star
i like hands
viral gate
Reckon you pulled it off well Hakita
dim star
the trick was to have someone else do it because i cant model for shit
crimson folio
Dusk dude is so powerful that he uses his mind to operate weapons.
mild ginkgo
yeah i mean if you design around it, it works
but 1, hands with centered viewmodels is rough
and 2, just in general, theres no reloading in dusk, and none of the animations are tailored for hands
viral gate
Reckon I could get a ALL centred viewmodel mod going
With unique animations for the 1887
mild ginkgo
but as for the others, absolutely with very little trouble
dim star
the boys making White Hell are having a lot of trouble with hands in centered viewmodels so i dont blame you
mild ginkgo
wouldnt be hard at all
crimson folio
I'm gonna have centered viewmodels with hands!
crimson folio
somethign something pst scott pick up white hell
crimson folio
that hud
oof
viral gate
Oh wait I've seen this already
dim star
they've already redone the hud
mild ginkgo
so this is now my new favorite
dim star
mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
lol
viral gate
Nice
mild ginkgo
why does that youtube video look like a potato
holy crap
its like 1080, but 144p at the same time
dim star
Arsin Kyrsä means Arsi's Sausage but as a sexual innuendo for dick, and "Makkarast on Virnuks" means "Sausage makes you smile" but written in a way where it sounds like Maranax Infirmux
viral gate
Granted wasn't designed around it in the first place
crimson folio
viral gate
Find those ones way too big
crimson folio
yo wtf is that a blood reference
dim star
yea
crimson folio
lmao
dim star
original composition donut steel
crimson folio
I swear if there isn't an alert sound that has perkele in it
dim star
there is
dim star
i've played it and it feels good to play too
mild ginkgo
retrofps is certainly a thing
simple pilot
it looks like polish garbage but north-ish
mild ginkgo
waiting for people to start making early 2000's games again
crimson folio
finland is just slavs but more snow
dim star
it's very much like one of those bargain bin clones tryna ape off the big boys in the 90's, but in a charming way and not a bad way
crimson folio
new game running on a modified openmw engine
mild ginkgo
idc what engine
just make cool early 2000s games
as far as im concerned using old engines is a gimmick
dim star
we're probably gonna start getting them tbh, there's been a big resurgence of indie spiritual successors
crimson folio
openmw isn't old!
viral gate
👌
mild ginkgo
right?
2004 shootbangs would be awesome
or rpgs
or action games
or racing games
viral gate
Or games.
mild ginkgo
that era kicked ass across the board
crimson folio
games
viral gate
Early 2000s were wild
Just some quality games that hold up so well
Meanwhile most games today will get their servers shutdown
Whilst not strictly being MP only games
mild ginkgo
rip
crimson folio
does halflife 2 count as early 2000
mild ginkgo
yeah
id say so
definitely on the back end of that
but it counts
i guess the "pinnacle" of early 2000's games really
(the game doesnt hold up so well imo)
mild ginkgo
i like a lot of things about it
crimson folio
HL2 was more about muh physics
mild ginkgo
but boy do i have trouble finding motivation to get past the airboat sequence as soon as i hit it lol
viral gate
Feel like world wise
mild ginkgo
i usually turn it off and forget it for another 2 years
dim star
i dont mind it tbh
viral gate
It's lacking
mild ginkgo
can absolutely acknowledge its importance
crimson folio
airboat section
oof
viral gate
I always get the feeling it's not showing enough of the apocalyptic reality
mild ginkgo
but i have much less fun with it now than i did back then
it was miiind blowing in 04 for sure
crimson folio
Some people don’t like shooting in half life but I honestly find it fun.
dim star
me too
viral gate
I still enjoy it
mild ginkgo
yeah i dont mind the hl2 shooting that much, mostly because the shotgun exists
the other weapons i can mostly leave
dim star
the pacing is what really makes it for me tho, it's constantly changing things up and adding new gimmicks
mild ginkgo
and grav gun is always fun
viral gate
I tend to forget those sequences
mild ginkgo
it drags on sooooooo long
dim star
your memory makes it a lot longer than it actually is, it's only like half an hour
viral gate
Granted I've played plenty of custom maps
mild ginkgo
you stop at least like 6 times
viral gate
Some of them hit Valve quality like year long alarm
mild ginkgo
for various reasons
and then CONTINUE the airboat sequence
thats my problem with it
once you get past it, the rest is pretty enjoyable
dim star
honestly i prefer the airboat to the jeep
the airboat section to the jeep section rather
jeep controls better but the areas are less interesting
mild ginkgo
see at least with the jeep section the combat is more varied or like....exists
viral gate
I consider Ep2 driving sequences to be very good
Except for the finale maybe? that was a bit eh
dim star
despite loving HL2 i find both episodes to be very forgettable
mild ginkgo
i remember loving ep2
dim star
hunters are great
dim star
both episodes are good but a lot less memorable
dim star
i should try that out
viral gate
mostly cause the framedrops
No matter what settings you got
As soon as fire is on screen it nose dives to below 60FPS for me
And I ain't running low end system
simple pilot
🔫
minor reef
opal plover
Lord Farquaad on a far quad
hollow steppe
quad farquaads on quad quads
idle wagon
u guys gave me the worst idea
winged otter
completed HL2 and the episodes with MMod this week
HL2 aged somewhat badly, lots of filler levels, and game after Nova prospect is 💤
episodes are much better with everything
crimson folio
My only complaint with half life 2 is that it basically has no replay value and i didn't feel encouraged by the game to go look for more secrets because i didn't need them
otherwise its a solid 8.7/10 for me
crimson folio
ye lets go there
thin sphinx
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1305442704
this is a literary masterpiece
pearl lichen
crimson folio
Magnificent.
final estuary
does anyone have that image of big john as a png
pearl lichen
I do
ruby swift
Worthy
crimson folio
*un
simple pilot
make one if you really want it
slow harness
@crimson folio that's not even how you spell it dum dum
open pollen
Is the SDK getting released for Halloween?
jade root
Probably not
royal herald
there's a chance then
crimson folio
SDK this summer
SDK this Halloween
SDK before 2020
jade root
Sdk when zomb zomb quits watching qt anime girls
olive cloud
Listen zombie you might have a lot of stress finishing the sdk but just know that we all appreciate what you‘re doing for us.
jade root
The only stress zombie has is me repeating the same five jokes about him
chilly holly
SDK when haha lol
slow harness
dusk IS actually bad wtf do you mean
crimson folio
sdk for what for nuts.wad
torpid locust
The scythe of dusk when
livid frigate
scythe of dusk needs to be called sickle
crimson folio
Hellbound Dusk
vast tangle
Back to Dusk X
final estuary
dusk incarnate
simple pilot
Action Dusk
crimson folio
Is there a possible E3 Duskmare speedrun out there? :V
crimson folio
I'm still blown away by Stephan Weyte voicing the final boss.
jagged ferry
STEPHAN
FUCKING
WEYTE
mystic prawn
I might be making up false memories, but does anyone know if Dusk can be transferred from Steam to GOG? I distinctly remember doing this with few games quite some time ago.
torpid locust
You mean gog connect?
crimson folio
GOG CONNECT
opaque spindle
Gog connect is coming soon
vivid cape
yeah I heard that before many times
opaque spindle
Not much else we can do other than say that afaik it’s in GOGs hands
graceful wing
The games been out on gog for a few weeks at this point.. connect is happening a bit later on
mild ginkgo
@vivid cape GOG has been out for like yeah, like just a small number of weeks
maybe 2-3
we cannot do connect on launch, as it would directly kill launch sales for GOG
because there would be not much reason to purchase on their platform
vivid cape
yeah yeah... understood... but stop with the soon™
opaque spindle
better soon than dates we might not be able to reach
torpid locust
grave barn
soon™
drowsy oriole
noos®
graceful wing
There’s not much else we can say other than soon when no one outside of gog currently knows the date
cool user alert 
crimson folio
Dusk is the best shooter Ive ever played
crimson folio
well yea
crimson folio
im still waiting for Maximum Action to get past beta
that game is going to be sick as hell
crimson folio
oh no
I just got done playing it for like
an hour and a half
I love it as it is
but its just
graceful wing
MA is nowhere near it’s beta stage anytime soon
crimson folio
obvious the kind of mindblowing shit the game still has for us
graceful wing
We make our games available as early as possible for feedback etc
graceful wing
Ye that’s what early access is for
crimson folio
all im saying is I cant wait for it
graceful wing
You don’t buy into EA expecting a finished product
graceful wing
Honestly the way EA is treated by most gamers and devs currently is a bit misleading
crimson folio
in a lot of areas when I bought it, but im fine with that
well
yeah, but I dont pay much attention
I dont even really look at new releases unless theyre from word of mouth
by like a good friend or something
graceful wing
I personally have early access globally disabled on the steam store
graceful wing
My day job and new blood leave next to no free time. Spending that time on unfinished games isn’t my thing
crimson folio
I mean
graceful wing
The problem is when a dev doesn’t flag an EA game as EA
crimson folio
but in the case of games like Nightmare Reaper
or MA
Im just looking for the gameplay
that and im a dirty 'try before buy'er
graceful wing
Oh yeah same here heh
crimson folio
i got to pirate
graceful wing
I utilize steam refunds heavily
crimson folio
one of the earliest versions of MA
but I didnt try dusk before buyin
Civvie11 introduced me to it back in like
march
crimson folio
I heard a BFG-like weapon was supposed to be in Dusk, but was cut. Interesting...
crimson folio
I think dusk is fine without a BFG clone
tbh I kind of hope they make the weapons even more unique with any hope for a sequel
the pistol, submachine gun and hunting rifle
ruby swift
Do we gonna have access to this BFG-type weapon at SDK?
crimson folio
all feel pretty unexciting
ruby swift
or was cut and deleted?
royal herald
the plasma gun exists still, idk where
ask zombie about it he knows a bit more
there is a video somewhere
tbh can someone pin this so that whenever people ask about it or the topic gets brought up we can just say "pinned messages"
jagged ferry
can confirm
royal herald
idk everyone I tell to "see second most recent pinned message" has fragged on duskworld
in duskworld chat, that is
crimson folio
I like how smoothly it spins
while firing
what's really bad is how the yellow covers too much of the screen
empty quail
for a cut weapon it's pretty well animated, I bet someone could mod it and smooth it out pretty easily for messing around with in the game
thorn trout
yeah Doom64 was a major reference starting out
Dusk was gonna be a lot spookier originally
jade root
I liked the old concept
It was kinda stalker d64
Going to eldritch realms to treasure hunt
Super cool
jagged ferry
damn the levers were a pump back then
crimson folio
Ye
jagged ferry
it kinda rockin the pump tho
chilly holly
God that sound tho
pewpewpewpewpew
btw i love the fact that if you look in zombie's yt channel its all games except one video about attack on titan
grave barn
Dusk Halloween mod confirmed???
final estuary
nah
grave barn
I'm gonna make an article about how David confirmed that Dawn is releasing on Halloween and if it doesn't to blame him and not my bad journalism
final estuary
ok buddy game journalist
jade root
Sounds like a reliable source
final estuary
dusk can't have an sdk cause it's not out yet
jagged ferry
of course it's not out it's in
final estuary
i figured you'd say that
crimson folio
🅱usk
opal plover
musk
crimson folio
Elon Dusk
grave barn
Musk OwO
spare robin
Yep
opaque spindle
uwu daddy big john
jade root
!lang
hollow ivyBOT
Please keep all discussions english only! Repeatedly speaking in foreign languages can get you muted.
jade root
@proven cradle
proven cradle
@jade root Ok
ruby swift
Near the end of E2M1, Jakob say something but there's no subtitle and i didn't understand.
Anyone know what he said?
crimson folio
|| Your a bitch ass motherfucker for killing my pet||
ruby swift
oh yeah 
mild ginkgo
I believe it's " where do you think you're going?"
crimson folio
Were you going Dusk dude? Weren't you going to have tea with me?
jagged ferry
Why are you running? WHY ARE YOU RUNNING?!
crimson folio
when u make it
crimson folio
I can already see that as a sound replacement for shitty DUSK wads, @jagged ferry
jagged ferry
wad with that clip as a sound replacement
shitty wad
pick one and only one /s
crimson folio
But most shitty mods/wads have sound replacements don’t they
rare elk
so i picked up Dusk a couple days ago, finally got the chance to play it for a few hours and i feel like this captures the graceful motion and cunning mind at play https://clips.twitch.tv/SlickBelovedHamsterDuDudu
viral gate
WHOA GEE
jagged ferry
i love it when a plan comes together falls apart
rare elk
cant wait to see what other tricks and traps i stumble my way into
rare elk
i dig it! got a couple bits into episode 2, the flashlight just bust at the end of the 3 hours of fun (now just to find some time for a cheeky personal run on the sly 😛 )
wendigos are already pure evil and im sure its only just been a fraction of whats to come
gusty saddle
jagged ferry
sometimes i wonder if wendigos would be more fun to fight if they had less health
spare robin
nah
jagged ferry
because the most fun part of fighting them is trying to make them visible
and then they just have a lot of health after that
which is fine early on
but like
||when e3 starts throwing them at you in groups of like 6 it's just kinda boring once you find them all||
||albeit that only happens like 2 or 3 times but still||
||although maybe the problem with those encounters is just that there's ONLY the wendigos||
yeah i might've just answered my own question
welp, there's always new game+
empty quail
||problem is if they were spread out they could be a bit more scary in that you don't see them and have to find them, but they tend to clump together once you run away so it becomes obvious to find them||
empty quail
not used to using spoiler tags on discord tbh
jagged ferry
fair
empty quail
||now if in episode 3, specifically I think it was m5? the church before the first portal thing with the meat tornado, if you were to use the open space given with the wendigo group, you might introduce a subtype of wendigo that could somehow teleport around you to make finding them harder instead of just chasing you which, if done right could be pretty good for like a once or twice thing, or it could just turn out real annoying, but hey just throwing food for thought out there||
fuckin a see what I mean about the spoiler things, well anyways now I get it
jagged ferry
||well maybe not teleport, maybe the wendigo ai could just be redone to sort of "scatter" more when trying to get to you||
||if they're in a group||
then again that'd be a lot of work probably
empty quail
exactly, something like that could be pretty cool, and yeah it probably would
opal oyster
SDK WHEN
jagged ferry
when it's ready
reef pecan
I wish Dusk was spookier :(
the rare moments where it gets really spooky are like the highlights of the whole game
crimson folio
Dusk is much spooky much enough
reef pecan
spookier
crimson folio
Episode 3 excels mostly at that
reef pecan
episode 3 is spooky but its only REALLY spooky in like e3m4
like
REALLY spooky
REALLY spooky
crimson folio
that's the only one that actually tries to make you jump from your chair
is that what you mean?
jagged ferry
tbh the thing is for a game to be REALLY spooky you kind of have to start with the mindset that it's gonna be spooky and i think dusk is a great example of that
because i mean yeah
e3m4 is spooky
but not nearly as much as it COULD be
simply because of how much bullshit you know you're capable of pulling already
it's like "yeah this is fucked up but it's not all that threatening"
at least imo
also is it just me or do the double levers fire faster in the launch trailer then in the actual game
wait
torpid locust
looks like the fast fire totem cheat
jagged ferry
ok but why tho
jagged ferry
looks like it for both the double pistol scenes too
even when it doesn't match
but then they only do it for one double lever scene
...man this trailer's weird
opal plover
Because it looked cool
crimson folio
tbh
my issue with wendigos in dusk
is that the game is too lenient with them honestly
I personally dont have an issue with killing them, they only die from like 2 close up SSG blasts
but whenever they show up theyre basically the meat of the encounter
jagged ferry
fairly sure it's 3 blasts
but yeah they're definitely best when grouped with other enemies
crimson folio
or, used for tension
I only remember two occasions at most when that happens, at least in episode 3
jagged ferry
because when they're with other enemies it goes from "oh boy, where's the wendigo" to "OH FUCK YOU'RE THROWING A WENDIGO IN HERE NOW"
crimson folio
Wendigos are just way too easy to avoid
like pretty much every enemy in the game?
every melee enemy
Grand Wizards, Welders and Cultists
can get pretty hot shoty
I just want
the SDK to come out
jagged ferry
shit now i REALLY can't wait for the sdk
crimson folio
so I can release my own inner genious
jagged ferry
just to see how people use the wendigo
jagged ferry
ooo that could be interesting too
crimson folio
I was going to say Wendigos would be more interesting if there were versions of them that weren't invisible before contact, so David would use them more often, and I realized that that's just the leatherneck
jagged ferry
lmao
crimson folio
p much
oh
Horrors and Scarecrows
are the only enemies in dusk I can truly say I dislike
only dangerous in close quarters
but i still lowkey love horrors
ye but theyre also
super thin
and have giga high hp
jagged ferry
BOI HE thinn
jagged ferry
well they ARE horrific eldritch abominations created through torture
crimson folio
theyre just
fight extenders
that over punish
small hitbox so it's harder to hit them from long distance -- because it's easier to avoid their attacks when you're far from them
crimson folio
Idk about that one
considering shotgun spreads are p effective
at mid range
still
jagged ferry
imagine using the shotgun at mid range in e3 instead of the hunting rifle or assault rifle 😆
jagged ferry
...that's almost worse tbh but ok
crimson folio
how so>
jagged ferry
...because the game has shotguns
so "shotgun spreads" is pretty much always going to invoke the weapon without extra context
crimson folio
yes
jagged ferry
which you didn't provide until after i made the joke
also calling it a shotgun spread is just weird anyways considering it's like...acid spit
crimson folio
in the spread pattern
of a shotgun blast
an acid spit is closer to Black Phillips spit
honestly
wait
jagged ferry
that's blood spit tbh
jagged ferry
oh yeah black phillips are garbage
jagged ferry
the goats
actually wait no
black phillips aren't that bad
RATS
FUCK RATS
I HATE RATS
jagged ferry
they're just really boring and annoying
crimson folio
unless its ep 3 rats
jagged ferry
they're the lost souls of dusk
crimson folio
ye
i guess I can agree with that
tbh im upset that failed experiements didnt become base enemies
they're just made to annoy you
still
like Blood's rats
jagged ferry
imho an enemy designed purely to annoy is a failure of an enemy
crimson folio
idk about that one
certainly
People say what they want about Pain elementals
but I think they do serve a purpose
pain elementals are great
they're annoying but actually challenging
jagged ferry
^
viral gate
P A Y N E
crimson folio
but they also really teach the meaning of target prioritization
viral gate
Ladies and gentlemen
crimson folio
what's interesting about Pain Elementals is that they drive the player to their standing location
e3ms?
crimson folio
The Ratacombs?
jagged ferry
yeah
crimson folio
i do my dusk blind outside of Civvie vids
jagged ferry
what's interesting about Pain Elementals is that they drive the player to their standing location
...what
jagged ferry
@crimson folio what does that mean
ok wow fuck my computer
chucked me off my router for a sec for no reason
crimson folio
@jagged ferry if you constantly run into the pain elemental, he won't be able to spawn lost souls
most players do that when they see them
crimson folio
wait
I thought lost souls
were treated as projectiles
as they first fly out
to prevent that from happening
and damage the player
simple pilot
ye its really easy to prevent lost souls spawn after pain elemental death
simple pilot
i really would like to be able write such non-complex code
opal plover
For the first time today I've felt nostalgic about the full release version of Dusk
jagged ferry
the only game i've felt nostalgic for within a year of playing it was a hat in time
and frankly that's because the credits music fucks with me
chilly holly
Im gonna say it
atomic egret
I don't care that you broke your elbow
torpid locust
SKINNY
DIPPING
KIBBAS
chilly holly
Why is this pickup halfway stuck in the floor? UNDERBAKED GAME
chilly holly
Also, after a long journey my gf is about to become worthy
She got in as above so below
Boy, she is not gonna enjoy the next level I can see it
jade root
Ep2 doesn’t like you :(
opal plover
I like everybody
lean wolf
I like H
lean wolf
Ayy
balmy sluice
Now make her do it on duskmare
crimson folio
balmy sluice
crimson folio
Dusk mare is the only real way to play
plush matrix
duskmare is basically force you to do no damage run, so it's kinda lame
weary coyote
I wanna know what the ||Horrors|| were based off of.
It's not wholly apparent, because they could be an amalgam of different horror references.
final estuary
i mean they're 096-esque
but if you want my personal take i think ||they're a physical manifestation of duskdude's fear or dislike of frogs||
weary coyote
I read that on the wiki too, but they're not close enough to a ||froggo|| to make me personally warrant that
Also what's 096? I don't know SCPs much because I ain't a BIG horror buff
final estuary
one of the more famous ones
a skinny pale humanoid that is able to track down and kill anyone that looks at its face
its jaw can open up to four times that of a human
final estuary
oh also i'm the one that wrote the frogs thing on the wiki
i made most of the episode 3 enemy articles
weary coyote
I'm pretty sure if we asked David, he'd just say
"I just wanted to make a silly funny skinny man"
final estuary
i asked david why he made the soap and yeah that was basically his answer
"because i'm a silly game dev"
weary coyote
The power of hygiene
jade root
Yeah iirc David doesn’t do much scp reading
So the horrors are prolly based off of something else
Reminder that horrors aren’t scary once you realize they don’t have a melee attack and still attack at the same interval no matter how close they are to you
So it’s actually in your best interest to just let them run up to you and do a ssg blast
final estuary
nothing in dusk is spooky because you have guns on you at all times
crimson folio
I wish there were more Lovecraftian horror enemies
final estuary
nearly everything in episode 3 is lovecraftian in a way
final estuary
bone monks, bone balls, the horrors, the final boss, etc
vale oar
Lovecraft is not about Shoggoth only tho
final estuary
i mean the final boss is one if that helps
crimson folio
could have been really cool in the chasm episode imho
chasm level*
well
its legit
N boi
final estuary
if you're looking for more lovecraft enemies in a videogame you should play eldritch
vale oar
...or Darkest Dungeon
jade root
Eldritch is very good
jade root
Albeit mechanically strange at times
crimson folio
in darkest dungeon actually
jade root
Attaboy
crimson folio
I love lovecraftian horror
final estuary
mountains of madness is actually bullshit in eldritch
vale oar
It is. Can't wait for DD2, wonder what they are going to do with the combat system
jade root
What you don’t like icicles falling on you 80% of the time?
jade root
The Halloween level is cool tho
final estuary
yeah
crimson folio
man
jade root
And you can get a TON of money from it
vale oar
Halloween when? :p
crimson folio
can I do a quick vent
final estuary
it actually took me forever to figure out you had to get all three souls in one go and then open the library
crimson folio
Lovecraftian Horror is going down the Zombie-Genre route real quick
final estuary
i'd beg to differ
crimson folio
theres gems here and there
final estuary
the wonderful thing about lovecraft's work is you can do whatever you want with it
plus games with low-poly graphics like dusk and quake let you imagine it more
crimson folio
Well
Dusk and Quake do it right th
tho*
well
not quae
actually
nvm
unless were not taliing quake 1
final estuary
it kinda does with things like shub and the FUCKING SPAWN
final estuary
sorry i just hate spawn
crimson folio
presented in the way
that makes you scared of it
you just telefrag it and bam
elder outer god dead
final estuary
it does seem more fantasy than anything
crimson folio
I havent gotten any mods yet on my quake
Most ive done so far is install Darkplaces
final estuary
yeah i've done the same even though everyone seems to hate dp
final estuary
i just did it so i could fix the soundtrack and play the steam release
final estuary
because the steam ports of quake games suck
have you tried quake 3 with the steam overlay?
you can't
crimson folio
thats the only quake I got baby
final estuary
it's physically broken unless you turn the overlay off
crimson folio
I havent had any physics issues yet
maybe cuz I only played with Darkplaces
btw
Dead Space
jade root
Dark places isn’t a mod btw
final estuary
dusk does lovecraft a little more heavily than quake i guess then
final estuary
because it really kicks in during episode 3
crimson folio
and makes me horny for a dusk 2
final estuary
there is no dusk 2 though
crimson folio
I know
and thats whats sad
I could imagine a sequel
where you are Nyar's pawn
and you hunt down other Worthy ones
final estuary
dusk will likely never get a sequel because it's a niche game type and dave said himself if people want to make dusk 2, they might as well with mods
crimson folio
basically blood
crimson folio
yes
final estuary
so idk how well the analogy works