Any plans to put the map at intermission like Heretic game?
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
jade root
Why add it when the game is done and never getting anymore content :)
But in all seriousness it was considered but due to how the workflow went, David made the maps AFTER the creation of the intermission screens
So we would’ve had to go through every intermission screen and redo it
When it was much more convienent to just leave it as is
crimson folio
Painkiller? More like Duskkiller.
ruby swift
Graphic Novel, any plans for another one?
opaque spindle
mhm jacob is hard at work on it
crimson folio
Is it only me noticing that theres a sudden frame rate drop in DUSKs new update.
mild ginkgo
given that there wasnt anything about the games core functions that changed, it is probably just your machine, but if you have any information about when it occurs we can look into it and see if its something we can fix
crimson folio
Aighty
oak grove
upload your DxDiag
crimson folio
crimson folio
Nice fanart
simple pilot
who is this
toxic elbow
looks inconceivable
jagged ferry
doesn't look insignificant anymore
crimson folio
Can I mention how similar Duskdude looks to Caleb? Cause I love that.
jagged ferry
duskdude is just caleb after the events of blood, change my mind /s
crimson folio
chinese bootleg of Caleb
thorn trout
we tryin lol
jade root
Last few duskworld bugs
jagged ferry
is the guess for release still new year's eve
jade root
Yeah New Years......
opaque spindle
I member the good old days of a summer release
jagged ferry
ok murder time
oak grove
Dusk has atmosphere overload. anybody else only able to handle one level a day? this game is intense as fuck, even on difficulties under CERO MIEDO
jagged ferry
nah i can last way longer, though idk if i could beat the whole game in one sitting
so far i think the most i've done in one sitting is 2 episodes
though that's just more general fatigue then anything
daring turret
mint sparrow
is there a leaderboard for endless mode
or does anyone share screen caps of scores or something like that
crimson folio
I don't know if there are any for endless
mint sparrow
literally crying right now
graceful wing
sgs has scoreboards, other nb games don't
simple pilot
the levels are unbearable
forest hedge
Is it me, or does Dusk Duke shout "poo" when hit?
jade root
Just you
dim star
dusk duke
crimson folio
Dusk Dudem
simple pilot
Duki nuki
crimson folio
Duski Nuski
winged otter
if Minotaur user is telling us that Dusk on CM is too intense for him, maybe he shold not play Plutonia on ultra violence
crimson folio
if you can't beat dusk on CM then you will never beat plutonia on UV
crimson folio
Dusk Kickem
vale oar
i'll kick u
crimson folio
Okey daddy
chilly holly
Will someday EU players get a frag event? Most frag nights are in terrible hours for Eu people 
.
graceful wing
When enough eu players show up, yeah
We used to have one but no one was playing so we axed it
chilly holly
olive cloud
new years eve?
cursive tartan
One of the smaller things I noticed is that your flashlight flickers a bit when a wendigo sees you
olive cloud
Yea
winged otter
i miss pre nerf wendigos
olive cloud
Very cool i just love that everyone who does a blind playthrough of dusk gets suprised in almost every level.
Like the ghost in the cutty mines
simple pilot
EU Players 
olive cloud
excuse me
winged otter
who?
olive cloud
What i don‘t understand
olive cloud
One day i‘ll mlg 360 destroy you
grave barn
I'm trying to do a Duskless Pacifist run and E1M6 is giving me a lot of trouble, does anybody have any tips for Duskmare Pacifist?
balmy sluice
Duskless Pacifist?
grave barn
getting the pacifist award on every level on duskmare difficulty
Oops
I have a small brain, I meant duskmare
balmy sluice
Ooh lol ok, I thought that's what you meant.
tacit tangle
that sounds borderline impossible for cutty mine
it's hard enough to pacifist on easier difficulties
grave barn
I've been able to get up to the yellow key, but then I have to juke for a good 30 seconds in the small room next to it in hopes that I don't get trapped in the hallway
jagged ferry
why do you hate yourself
grave barn
no better person to hate
minor reef
hexed roost
the first iteration of the dusk translation is available for testing if anyone is interested
this build supports 14 different languages and we've got a forum set-up to track any issues you might encounter
hexed roost
on the localization_testing branch, yes. you can download this update right now
slow harness
hell yeeeeah!
hexed roost
slow harness
feels good
hexed roost
hexed roost
are you on the localization testing branch?
graceful wing
Verify game files to get the update going. Steam can be a bit slow with starting downloads for branch changes sometimes
hexed roost
no
slow harness
i'm dum
hexed roost
the password for the localization branch is "duskernational"
like the image i posted above
it should look like this
graceful wing
Wha?
opaque spindle
click on the dropdown box
graceful wing
We can't read any of this
graceful wing
Just do what unmutual did and then select the correct branch
If it doesnt work restart steam and try again
opaque spindle
did you put the password in
slow harness
you dum
opaque spindle
ok but did you press the check code button
slow harness
oh fuck
graceful wing
Lol
graceful wing
Ye
graceful wing
Haha
hexed roost
would "Українська" be better?
slow harness
yeah
well the impementation is
pink on the inside
feels like the ukrainian person that was double checking my translation didn't know the context
just simply had the text
delicate sail
I'mma have a look how my text looks in game
If there were any issues in particular with the German localization feel free to let me know what I should look out for
simple pilot
localizations are made by humans?
slow harness
shut ut pole
crimson folio
Is the swedish one in?
slow harness
English
Italiano
Français
Deutsch
Polski
Español
Português
Русский
Українська
Türkçe
汉语
漢語
日本語
한국어
no
crimson folio
Wtf
slow harness
why did you block me
simple pilot
just pick german and pretend its swedish 
crimson folio
Reee @hexed roost
mild ginkgo
we dont have a swe loc
crimson folio
I sent him one
slow harness
too bad
mild ginkgo
that doesnt mean we have a complete one :P
mild ginkgo
a translation is not quite all there is to it
molten oak
man, turkish is already translated :c
simple pilot
i dont think polish one was translated by human being
mild ginkgo
if you have feedback regarding any of the translations, by all means, please leave us feedback on the forums
a subforum has been opened for that purpose explicitly
hexed roost
You have to understand that in an effort to make these as uniform as possible, they were ultimately outsourced to a translation company. This was done for a multitude of reasons. We needed a specific and defined format to follow so that LOC could very quickly be swapped out on the fly. Not a document full of words, but a LOC doc full of game strings and their corresponding translation. We decided to put an emphasis on languages per Valve's recommendation and are starting with the following 14. In the end I'd like to see Arabic DUSK and other langs get added.
simple pilot
stuff seems to be directly translated without context
hexed roost
All of the langs and translation documents are exposed to the players now. If you'd like to take a crack at translating with the actual files, you're more than welcome to
mild ginkgo
please let us know if thats the case! a thread with your findings will allow us to fix it
thats the purpose of this branch
hexed roost
\steamapps\common\Dusk\Localization
molten oak
every time I go "huh, I may translate this game I like" I end up seeing my language translated already
slow harness
there's lots of stuff that miss the mark
mild ginkgo
then please make a thread to let us know!
its impossible to take that kind of feedback via discord
molten oak
can I get a heart for wanting to translate your game even though it has been done? :c
hexed roost
You can help us improve the translation by checking to see if the Turkish implantation is any good!
molten oak
is there a way I can reach translation docs?
mild ginkgo
yes, he just described that above
molten oak
oh sorry
mild ginkgo
if you subscribe to the duskernational branch, the files are located at that path
if you have a version you feel improved, id ask that you post it in a thread on our language subforum
molten oak
the what branch
molten oak
in the betas?
slow harness
did that translation company even have access to your game?
mild ginkgo
yes
slow harness
k we'll see
molten oak
did they do sick bunnyhops
slow harness
me on my way to find every single error in the translation
mild ginkgo
we appreciate any and all improvements or suggests/feedback you have for us
we dont speak any of the languages we did natively, so our wisdom on this is limited
slow harness
how are you going to double check things?
molten oak
I have the branch downloaded so what do I do next to check my language
molten oak
I did that, but I don't know what to do next
mild ginkgo
our process of double checking, is checking it with our community
the people who play the game
if you are subscribed to the beta, you will install a small update
and then the option for your language will be in the language menu
molten oak
dawg do I choose language default or language default txt meta
or do I just play regularly to find stuff I don't get it
simple pilot
too bad everything is in one file
mild ginkgo
itll be in the txt
i believe
just crack it open and it should be in there
if you want to separate it out to your own working document, we can work with that
mild ginkgo
in what regard
slow harness
like uhhh
in the config i think
i think the outsourced translation was poorly formatted
to the point where 3 different text lines would be merged into 2
example:
mild ginkgo
can you jsut send me the full screenshot instead of the cropped rectangle
mild ginkgo
no it isnt lol
now i can see what happened
and its not what you were saying, it was caused by word-wrap
they are separate entries
they werent merged into one, the Vsync option is too long so the text formatting wrapped it to the next line
which just happens to be close to the one below it
slow harness
k
mild ginkgo
its a valid issue however
we can fix that
if you make a big post with all the problems you find we can fix them
slow harness
i'll post all the issues in the steam discussion
mild ginkgo
tyty
mild ginkgo
make sure to look at the graffittis on the wall
they have subtitles with translated text
slow harness
yeah i know
i can just compare the text in game with the master translation document that i did
both for ukrainian and bootleg ukrainian
wait the graffiti textures are unchanged
only the subtitles are added?
slow harness
that's good enough
molten oak
the Turkish translation is actually solid
molten oak
I don't have to to point out mistakes in the translation
most of errors in turkish translation comes when people try to translate terms and explanations, and those, along with all the story translations, are solid
slow harness
video settings will be your goldmine of mistakes
that shit took a lot of effort to translate properly
spare cobalt
localization is alot more than just simple translation
slow harness
all of those pesky video technologies
molten oak
the turkish ones are good that's what I'm saying
simple pilot
where was "Thanks Constantine" text in E2M5?
slow harness
at the non euclidian tunnel i believe
molten oak
they didn't change the ones us use as their english counterparts, and they translated the ones we use in turkish well enough
spare cobalt
yea with the hidden sword
slow harness
or near that stage of progression through the map
slow harness
yeah
simple pilot
ye got it
molten oak
like everybody who stumbles upon Vsync in a main menu knows what it is (for turkish speaking people I mean)
and things like hues are translated nicely, the option explanations are good too
mild ginkgo
when the sdk is available most likely
simple pilot
there are issues with countable nouns and context
slow harness
countable noun?
opaque spindle
reminder post all of the issues you find to the forums
otherwise it'll get lost here
slow harness
@mild ginkgo should I make a steam discussion or a guide? because i feel like a guide would be better (easier to find the part you need, i can insert many pictures properly etc)
mild ginkgo
whatever works for you!
thorn trout
steam forum post is gonna be easier for me to find when I start trying to fix things
slow harness
i prefer a guide
jade root
lol
the dev told you what is easier for him
and yer still gonna do it your way
good stuff
v.cool
peak helpful
mild ginkgo
what you could do
is link your guide in a forum post
then you get the best of both worlds
thorn trout
I mean he can do it however he wants as long as I can find it when I start going to fix the likely numerous issues that people log
And I'm gonna be finding those issues by looking through the forum we set up for localization issues
mild ginkgo
yeah thats the main thing
thorn trout
is link your guide in a forum post``` yup that would be fineas long as there's something in there that directs me to whatever
mild ginkgo
because like, trying to solve things via discord is literally impossible
thorn trout
yup
mild ginkgo
thats why we HAD to do the subforum
warped patio
Has anyone heard any news on the switch Port? I need another excuse to play through this master piece again
thorn trout
no news yet!
warped patio
:/// big rip
simple pilot
translations are not great tho
crimson folio
I know that...
thorn trout
yeah leave all issues on forum plz and we will fix
delicate sail
Hmm, you mentioned earlier that the localization has been outsourced. Did the company have access to the translations of the community to make them into something that's Implementable in game? Some of the things I'm seeing look like my stuff lol
slow harness
maybe because it's the only good word / phrase that can be applied in that particular situation? @delicate sail
mild ginkgo
yes they did
@delicate sail
i wonder if @abstract skiff will try dusk in japanese...
crimson folio
DASUKO
vernal ocean
is there a secret in the factory endless map?
royal herald
I know of one secret but idk of the other maps that aren't the farm
crimson folio
oh cool, episode 3 has a reference to the unholy altar from Quake
mild ginkgo
shoot it repeatedly
spare robin
cool
vague egret
jagged ferry
my life is almost complete
now i need to get level 99 in rs2 so i can parade slouch
grave barn
I've been grinding out Duskmare Pacifist E1M6 and all I wanna say is
I hate everything and everyone
jagged ferry
you have nobody to blame but yourself
grave barn
no it's your fault
jagged ferry
no u
grave barn
o shit u rite
slow harness
Dasuko more like
Da cyka
sturdy ermine
it's a good thing dusk is drm free, or i'd be sad for having bought it on steam
crimson folio
soon tm?
jagged ferry
Perhaps.
abstract skiff
@mild ginkgo Oh hi, did you call me!?
Oh Japanese setting, yes?
Let me try that.
crimson folio
Arigato
abstract skiff
While I'm fine with English setting, supporting jp language will likely to draw some Japanese gamers.
🙂
simple pilot
i dont think japanese are interested in serious gami_g
abstract skiff
D:
Well, fps isn't that popular here actually.
Yet a handful of them will try this game at least.
5 jp users on steam put DUSK on their wishlist, they're on my friend list.
graceful wing
woven elm
gamer
crimson folio
Thanks very cool
spare cobalt
you better use that info for something else than making everyone else miserable
crimson folio
thats probably not gonna happen
spare cobalt
welp still gotta try
vale oar
What
opaque spindle
!lang
hollow ivyBOT
Please keep all discussions english only! Repeatedly speaking in foreign languages can get you muted.
elder raft
drowsy oriole
Hey I found out the exact health for all the non boss enemies. Would it be better to make a guide so more people know (and in that case what else I should add?) or should I just post them here and others will do the work of putting it in a guide or the wiki?
drowsy oriole
Cowgirl 2000
Cart Dog 1200
Bone Ball 1000
Fork Maiden 1000
Wendigo 1000
Horror 700
Priestess 700
Grand Wizard 700
Possessed Scarecrow 700
Welder 400
Leatherneck 370
Turret 300
Bone Monk 275
Chomper's Son 200
Mage 180
Scientist 175
Black Phillip 80
Possessed Soldier 55
Rat 50
slow harness
directed to pole ofc
simple pilot
- If they don't die repeat point 1
slow harness
what's the damage on guns?
drowsy oriole
I used this weapon damage guide as a reference: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1265383271
And here is for multi: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1450351107
drowsy oriole
But yeah the weapon damage guides have extra info, but I don't know what extra info I would need/want to add to a guide on the enemy health.
jade root
pretty sure the wiki already has all the health values
mild ginkgo
yeah so maybe add em there loop
sly path
Didn't the DUSK Wiki master lose his Twitch password or somethin?
drowsy oriole
The wiki edits are done.
opaque spindle
like wtf even is dusk bro thats like the name of a season
frail oriole
Please add a "Continue" feature, I always have to start from my last save
mild ginkgo
what would you have the continue feature do?
royal herald
isn't continue the same as your last save
jagged ferry
Please add a "Continue" feature
your last save: that's...why i'm here
frail oriole
@royal herald no, some times I save and then finish a couple of levels and when I exit and I don't save it, Ihave to do everything again
mild ginkgo
if you click "Level Select" you can continue at the last level
frail oriole
@royal herald why not? At the start of the level like Doom does since 1993
royal herald
that literally doesn't happen in doom even
spare robin
lol
frail oriole
Amid Evil have a "Continue" option
royal herald
That isn't what you described
frail oriole
Technically speaking no, but you understand me
royal herald
I literally openned up the OG dos version to test whether the game autosaves your progress and can certainly say that no, if you leave / exit the game and re-launch, no, you do not have a "continue" or anything.
what you are referring to is a level restart, and I am fairly sure that exists for dusk already
checking once dusk finishes updating
spare robin
it does
frail oriole
A Continue option don't hurt anybody, start from the beginning with the weapons and ammunition you had
spare robin
what
frail oriole
I hope so
spare robin
that's literally what happens in dusk
royal herald
you want an autosave feature then...
crimson folio
literally just press a button
torpid locust
royal herald
yeah, downloaded dusk to test it
press e after you die and it'll send you right back to what you had when you loaded the level initially
spare robin
I think this guy is confused that he has to make a save
royal herald
if you want that to happen after you leave and re-launch dusk that's an autosave
that feature could be nice but like, use quicksaves
crystal vessel
I see nothin wrong with an autosave being added
spare robin
mod it in
crystal vessel
Even if someone could just use quicksaves it's convenient anyway
mild ginkgo
yeah i think autosave is what youre looking for
which, fair
thats what AE does
it autosaves at the start of a level, every time you pick up a key, and some special situations
abstract skiff
Mmmm, I died...
jagged ferry
i'm 99% sure that's a sourceport thing
simple pilot
im 100.1% sure thats sourceport only thing
crystal vessel
ye death in OG Doom spawns you with the pistol at the beginning of the level
jagged ferry
ok
crude bough
How does one gain permission to post images?
spare cobalt
check #ranks for a rundown on how the ranks work
"Rat or higher is required to upload files and post in "Off-Topic" channels."
that means stay active for a day and you'll get your rat
but afaik you can post links to images
abstract skiff
Soooo how do I change the in-game language?
😮
All I can see is English and Chinese, thought the dev wants me to try other language.
Maybe it's not ready yet?
simple pilot
thats private beta
simple pilot
"duskernational" is the password for the beta
torpid locust
thats nice man
abstract skiff
@simple pilot !
simple pilot
what
abstract skiff
You made my day.
simple pilot
no need to @ me
abstract skiff
Ohhhh, such a good boi, patpat.
graceful wing
Dumbs
abstract skiff
😦
Yeah I didn't even know the access code...until now.
I wonder how to contact devs regarding Japanese language...have some suggestions as they seem to have translated directly.
atomic egret
we outsourced all the translations to localisation companies
if you have any problems I would suggest emailing dave or david
abstract skiff
Nah it's not a game breaking problem so no worry.
simple pilot
patpat is so disgusting ewww
abstract skiff
sry
dense kelp
susk
atomic egret
skud
crimson folio
Can’t you access dusks beta within the files
jade root
Yeah check the goodies folder in your dusk directory
crimson folio
I’ll check it out
mild ginkgo
@abstract skiff if you go to the games forum on steam, we have set up a language subforum for suggestions regarding the translations, if you would be so kind as to post your feedback there, we would be very happy and we could make your changes!
grave barn
So e3mS is a jerma reference, right
thorn trout
no but yes
We made it before I was aware of Rat Movie and the joke was just "it's a secret level filled with the enemy everyone hates"
but after I saw Rat Movie I decided it is retroactively a Rat Movie reference
fair mirage
now you need to make an update where the boss rat has a sweet hat
simple pilot
i didnt know jerma had such rich lore behind him
olive cloud
I have a question. Im a bit paranoid about this but are you guys just going to drop dusk as soon as sdk comes out?
thorn trout
in what sense?
vague egret
SDK is actually the foundation for the eventual co-op mode.
thorn trout
^^^
olive cloud
oh ok
no i thought you guys might go full ''just mod it in'' when people ask for stuff like ng+ and co-op and stuff like ctf and tdm for dw. Btw pls fix dw bugs
olive cloud
ugh... hey guys... dusk isn't out remember haha... ha
fair mirage
simple pilot
i expect SDK to let you modify every aspect of the game
so we can make Quake 2 on Unity engine
olive cloud
lol
graceful wing
nah that's just average footage of someone playing popn
fair mirage
avain at the arcade
graceful wing
crimson folio
I see what airdorf did there.
queen coral
airdorf is a fucking madlad
oak grove
you guys do endless high score runs?
balmy sluice
I used to.
balmy sluice
my max is like 148 kills on duskmare for farm.
final estuary
i forgot mine
balmy sluice
I have no idea who has the current record
final estuary
probably somewhere in the 300s for cathedral
grave barn
Should it go by actual score rather than kills since that accounts for difficulty?
because I could just go accessible and get like all of the kills lmao
balmy sluice
yeah, but it would be disregarded because of accessible
fleet lance
So has anyone tried to get DUSK running on something older than Windows 7 before?
viral gate
I'm pretty sure you can't
fair mirage
idk but there is a 32bit version for the few weirdoes still on it
fleet lance
I was curious, because I have this old Windows XP laptop that I wanted to experiment DUSK with. Not as something I wanted to play with on a regular basis, but just because I could.
graceful wing
as long as you don't have stone age components in there the game will probably run under low spec mode
fleet lance
I mean it has a Core 2 Duo, 4GB of RAM, and a SSD, so it's not completely awful.
jagged ferry
i'd just like to say
||"Who you were before...is insignificant. Who you are NOW, is inconceivable!" is a really inspiring quote without context||
also ||the "watchers of the gate" should've been called "Il Triello", change my mind||
crimson folio
🅱usk
crimson folio
I have 'Completionist' on every level, but the 'True 100%' achievement won't trigger. Anyone else had this problem?
mild ginkgo
Are you playing on the gog version
floral iron
HUP and OOH until it is done
short basalt
@crimson folio have you seen the bloody tongue?
cloud gazelle
the nyarlathotep equivalent of the yellow sign is more n itself
at least in the post-hoc post-chaosium understanding of things
next path
lan support...definatly gonna tell my mom
crimson folio
DUSKs 2016 demo was interesting
crimson folio
Agreed.
untold elm
Someone posted steps for a leatherneck hat a while ago. Can anyone repost it, I cant find it.
pine kettle
Is there any date to activate gog connect option?
atomic egret
it's still being worked on. You'll hear about it when we do
obsidian coral
Sup lads
drowsy oriole
I see that True 100% and Don't Drop It on the gog version have finally been collected by someone, but how can I activate them if I already filled their criteria? @mild ginkgo
jade root
u send $20 to suedaveoshry@gmail.com
mild ginkgo
@drowsy oriole they are not fixed yet, you will know when they are
slow harness
god this game sucks
no ironsights?
no sprinting?
habe you seen AI? bro it's bad
boreal pawn
I need my aim down sights dude! It's like calloduuty and conterstrk
simple pilot
and conterstrk
slow harness
i started searching for "dusk battle pass price" but all I got is some hateful trolls and their hateful sarcasm
boreal pawn
Where are the weapon skins?
I can't play a game without lootbox weapon skins guys
Please I have a gambling addiction my wife left 5 years ago help me
spare robin
where's the cheating
thorn trout
What a chungus
jade root
Haha why did u post my review xD???
crimson folio
"0.1 hours on record"
muted jolt
0.1 Hours xdxd
crimson folio
yeezus
muted jolt
for Doom 2 25 b-day i pressume
pearl thunder
Probably, sounds great
Interestingly enough I can hear a little dusk in it
Also who the fuck buys a game, plays it for ten minutes and then review bombs it
What a sad life
muted jolt
sometimes it's just hate-wagon because some one don't liked the game and tell others to say gaem suks
but yeah, that's also sad
pearl thunder
I can understand if the game has flaws but ten minutes is not enough time to make a review off of unless the game is actually copy paste garbage
dim star
0.1 hours is not 10 minutes though, it's 6 minutes
dim star
i like that he has things to say about replayability after 6 minutes of playtime
olive cloud
grrr these stupid reviews make me ANGRE
"the entire game feels half-assed" and yet he played 0.1 hours
crimson folio
I don’t think that reviewer has ever played a retro game besides quake
jade root
thats just kinda the way the market works
these people want quake
and dusk isnt quake
so they get angry
not much you can do about them
viral gate
😠
jade root
they are delusional
viral gate
A N G R Y
crimson folio
“Poor ai pathing” DUSKs ai pathing is better than Quakes I’m pretty sure.
jade root
you would have a better chance of landing on the sun than convincing them otherwise
viral gate
I wanna land on the sun 
viral gate
Had a clip for this but can't find it 😔
But yea mentioning DUSK in Quake channels in offtopic channels gets you boomer stinkeye
(For the most part I should say)
crimson folio
I'm not sure if Dusk's ai pathing is better than Quake's
they seem to be pretty much the same to me
in neither games do enemies just follow the player in a straight line and proceed to hump walls like in Doom that's for sure
but it's not like they try to do anything impressive with the AI pathing either
Quake at most had the enemies walk around the level while unalarmed and also triggers to allow them to jump to lower heights
(manually placed trigger brushes, not part of the AI itself)
what's REALLY impressive is Quake 3's AI, though
thorn trout
Dusk's AI pathing is absolutely better than Quake
Quake's enemies do not know how to find their way around corners or anything like that
that's why they tend to hang out in one room. They can only get out of areas by luck basically
Dusk AI is stupider than a lot of modern games but can navigate much better than Doom or Quake
crimson folio
Just outta curiosity, David, do the enemies have any other behaviours than firing and charging?
thorn trout
some enemies directly track the player and some try to get near them (usually projectile enemies just try to get near the player, not directly to them). Otherwise naw
they're fairly basic enemies
crimson folio
Still, if it aint broken dont fix it, which is why I loved DUSK, thanks!
thorn trout
👍
crimson folio
Quake's levels were designed in a way to comfort the AI, obviously
so it's not like the pathing limitations would be clear, they did a pretty good job at it
but yeah, obviously a polished 2018 game is going to have better AI than a 1996 game, my point is that it's not noticeable
crimson folio
E3M4 is probably my favorite level so far
what's the name of the dudes with the long face?
jade root
Oh the mouth bois?
jade root
Horrors, I think
crimson folio
they're very satisfying to kill with the SSG
grave barn
they're so thin tho
crimson folio
I found that shotgun ammo has been harder to find than in the previous episodes though
balmy sluice
Me shooting the real horror with the ssg
grave barn
The ammo pickups really encourage diversity with your weapon usage
jade root
Every ep kinda has its main weapon
crimson folio
crossbow is the one for this one huh
jade root
Ssg for ep1, HR for ep2, crossbow/sword for ep3
crimson folio
it's cute how it expects me to kill lone cultists with it
I just use pistol most of the time
grave barn
better yet, bind flip to mwheeldown
toxic elbow
@pearl thunder the only real problem with dusk is just the balancing.. you know sometimes enemies will be so weak, beating their asses is like a night walk and sometimes they would just downgrade your health super quick cause higher difficulties makes it that one hit does shit loads of damage... its just due to their slow projectiles and they are almost never in place of advantage
simple pilot
what
chilly holly
what
i tried reading that multiple times but i cannot understand what you are trying to say
jade root
english r hard
toxic elbow
Im sorry my home language is really different from English... so sometimes I add to much adjectives and it fizzle my writing
slow harness
We can see why
dim plank
basically what he's saying is that he feels like the balance in dusk is annoying
some enemies ezpz to kill, but then others are kinda bullshit especially on higher levels
and the spike of difficulty in a single area can be Not Fun ™
slow harness
Rivet? Sniper?
simple pilot
thank you for that unnecessary explanation
slow harness
And now I remembered that rivet sucks
dim plank
you're welcome
dim plank
tbh not really especially on higher difficulties
simple pilot
it broke ep 1 for me
dim plank
ep1 def
slow harness
I always had full rivet ammo on duskmare
royal herald
in ep1 rivet was worst I thought, not a lot of areas to use it effectively, also it's a super secret that doesn't even count towards level progress cuz it's so secret, I don't think that rivet spot counts
dim plank
later episodes require better conservation I'd say
ep1 is a cakewalk and I feel like it kinda turns people off
royal herald
all of dusk is a cakewalk, with the exception of a few levels in ep2 actually. that's just how it be when people have been playing retro fps games since DOOM
dim plank
ep2 and ep3 are the real challenging episodes
royal herald
ep3 was way easier than 2
dim plank
I don't disagree that the whole game is pretty ez even on higher difficulties
but ep1 is just way too easy honestly
slow harness
Duskmare is much easier than I thought
dim plank
i need to actually play through on DM, i normally play on CM since i feel like it's the perfect difficulty
on episode 1 though
final estuary
duskmare is gimmicky tho
it's just a one-shot death and nothing's really changed except enemy move/attack speed
furthest i got was dim slough on duskmare without dying
dim plank
i honestly feel like episode 1 compared to episode 3 really shows how far David came in designing levels
final estuary
yeah
dim plank
and i honestly hope he's proud because episode 3 was a blast
final estuary
tbh i wish there were more levels centered around the swamp like dim slough
the theming is great
dim plank
dim slough is only good sewer level
final estuary
sewer count: 48
slow harness
have you bought the DLC @obsidian coral
obsidian coral
@slow harness yep
@final estuary thx 😗
Damn, "Erebus Reaction" is great track but it gives me PTSD
Cuz of that level
final estuary
yes
you get your free gog copy with gog connect which i don't think has been announced yet
GOGCONNEEEEEEEEEEEEEECT
ruby swift
crimson folio
I thought most of what I've played of Dusk on Cero Miedo was a walk in the park
simple pilot
it dosent match the ogres on nightmare
crimson folio
Dusk is just generally accessible
I guess david basically wanted to prioritize fun over difficulty
i agree with that philosophy
"If its not fun why bother?" - Reggie
@simple pilot ogres on nightmare:
jagged ferry
waiting
crimson folio
making projectile/hitscan enemies stationary turrets kind of neutered them
simple pilot
the point?
crimson folio
so Nightmare is in a weird spot where it's an extreme difficulty for the average player but easier than the 'Hard' difficulty for experienced players
because once you learn how to exploit the AI changes from Nightmare, it becomes a cakewalk
simple pilot
crimson folio
Shamblers and Ogres especially are easier to kill
simple pilot
jagged ferry
so basically quake be like
simple pilot
crimson folio
prisma ivy
crystal vessel
riveting gameplay
simple pilot
a truly masterpiss of a game
crimson folio
if it were Hard difficulty the Shambler would've constantly pushed me back, possibly cornering me
my point? Civvie should remake his Pro Quake video obviously, it's not pro enough
slate edge
Nightmare difficulty is great, but the shambler lightning attack speed can fuck right off
crimson folio
@slate edge watch the vid I posted
slate edge
Im aware, I played Quake on nightmare along with the expansion 2-3 times, fighting shamblers is just, shoot, duck into cover, shoot, its as engaging as playing a military shooter
opaque spindle
Shamblers are just archviles but yeti
prisma ivy
Pretty much
vast tangle
Nah, Archies are way more annoying
If only because I have this quirk, you know, of wanting whatever I kill to stay dead
pseudo estuary
those are pretty special levels you know
homecoming breaks every rule of every previous map in the game
then you get a second coming to a previous level and then an arena clusterfuck full of enemies ammo and jumping platforms or whatever they're called
crimson folio
yeah they were gimmicky levels and honestly quite boring
pseudo estuary
I think it's a perfect evolution that tells you hey, these are the last ones you're about to beat the game
crimson folio
the arena level is just an empty space that keeps teleporting enemies in
pseudo estuary
but they're coming in perfect combos
crimson folio
homecoming had more puzzles than shooting
this episode has the best visuals but the worst gameplay
and the flying enemies kept getting stuck in the geometry
pseudo estuary
I mean I don't remember specifically the order but I remember playing and saying oooooh these two together are perfect for this strategy wtf
for a second coming I prefer any other level
I give you that
but playing the full campaign I enjoyed these a lot
crimson folio
It was pretty easy on Cero Miedo (except for the arena level), but I'm not sure if it's the easiest episode
the levels are very short, and it has the highest amount of high tier enemies -- however it more often than the previous episodes gives you ammo for your best guns
pseudo estuary
kinda makes sense
crimson folio
the arena level was the only one that managed to kill me more than once
pseudo estuary
well I'm not that experienced
I too made it on cero miedo and I had to try and try and try for some levels
maybe you need more challenge
crimson folio
I should try Duskmare but I fear that's going to be a high difficulty spike
crimson folio
oh, they kill you in 1 hit regardless of health and armor lol
yeah that's not supposed to be a game-friendly difficulty
pseudo estuary
lmao
dim star
looks like they have a cooldown between attacks but because of the high difficulty they close the gap before the cooldown has ended so they just kind of stand there until they can attack again
mild ginkgo
all enemies do that yeah
crimson folio
I wonder why this is on Cero Miedo if it's supposed to be the 2nd highest difficulty
I just got the 'Go Away' achievement although I didn't get out of bounds
sharp zinc
just catching up with this channel and yeah, we actually had a lot of internal discussion about how the difficulties are balanced and believe me i'm right with you on believing that CM is quite easy, but i also had to come to terms with the fact that i'm quite a bit above the average player and on record as one of the best fps players at the proverbial office, so with our emphasis on making sure the game was accessible rather than restrictively difficult, we erred on the side of caution to ensure that CM was going to be troublesome but not impossible for the average player rather than a big challenge for those of us who are used to higher level play
crimson folio
I don't think that's the right path to go
there are other difficulties in the game, if you can't take it
a difficulty designed for expert players isn't supposed to be accessible to average players... the difficulty designed for average players is
it incentives behavior often seen in the Doom community, from players that never choose any difficulty other than Ultra-Violence, and then complain that Sigil is 'too difficult'
opaque spindle
mod in difficulty
crimson folio
the whole point of multiple difficulty settings is that each of them is going to be challenging/accessible for different players of different skill levels, right?
sharp zinc
well that's what i mean; despite the appearance of sharing the 4 standard + 1 gimmicky difficulty selection with games like doom, CM isn't a direct analogue to UV and wasn't designed to be, and you could almost say that each of dusk's non-gimmicky difficulties could sit kinda comfortably between doom's difficulties, with the easiest being the most accessible to all people, no matter who you are. we have discussed different ways to accommodate higher level players in the future and may even implement such things into dusk down the line, but any concrete plans for that have yet to be made, and as much as "mod it in" has become a bit of a meme, reb is correct in that once the sdk is out, i totally anticipate people making their own versions of the dusk campaign to fit any kind of difficulty you might desire, from baby easy to slaughterwad territory
which is not to say that when the sdk is out, we're washing our hands of any further development, but i do eagerly anticipate to see what kinds of creations people make with it
believe me i want the game to be more of a challenge too 😭
jagged ferry
we erred on the side of caution to ensure that CM was going to be troublesome but not impossible for the average player rather than a big challenge for those of us who are used to higher level play
i mean to be fair isn't this what the medium difficulty (in this case, say, I Can Take It) is meant for
unless your definition of "troublesome" is more extreme then mine
sharp zinc
a bit lol, i'd say the medium/normal difficulty is supposed to feel kinda "just right" for the average player
crimson folio
I haven't played in any lower than CM
do the enemies die even faster than in CM, on lower difficulties?
Im kinda thinking why DUSKs frames dropped for me suddenly was because of the dlc I installed.
crimson folio
I honestly think they die way too fast
Well ever since I got the dlc the frames dropped.
jagged ferry
Wack
also i'd be surprised if enemy health was lower on lower difficulties
afaik the only differences are enemy movement/projectile speeds and enemy projectile damage
crimson folio
It's very anti-climatic for me when a big spiky ball that shoots a billion bleeding skulls in all directions dies in 3 seconds to three regular super shotgun shots
opaque spindle
hmm I wonder if some sort of difficulty customization thing with like sliders and shit could be easily implemented
jagged ferry
Made to Order? 🤔
sharp zinc
i'm pretty sure that's exactly what it is @jagged ferry, i think one of the things we absolutely didn't want to adjust is health per difficulty because enemies becoming bullet sponges on higher difficulties is not fun in the slightest
crimson folio
I wouldn't say I want them to be bullet sponges, but you get ammo for high tier guns like the rifle and riveter as often as there's water in the ocean
(for episode 3 especially)
sharp zinc
yup exactly
jagged ferry
tbh i do think current cero miedo could've been icti and so on with something harder between cm and duskmare
like without much difficulty
in
implementation
crimson folio
first thing I think should be done is to remove the cooldown for attacks or to make it very short https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/240432519990738944/635260086498885652/leatherneck.mp4
crimson folio
lol yeah
jagged ferry
maybe for projectile enemies they could move forward slowly while attacking (assuming a cooldown removal would fuck with movement in a way as to make that necessary)?
sharp zinc
another good thing to keep in mind is that, a lot of our difficulty "feel" was based around a certain someone who plays doom on HMP and is not very good at it and ICTI is where this someone did most of their playing so that's part of why CM might feel a bit... UV-lite
lol uv lite uv light
jagged ferry
...why would you get a guy like that to be your difficulty basis
ok wow that
that came out a lot more dickish then i meant it to
sharp zinc
its the guy that pays me so
jagged ferry
don't tempt me
sharp zinc
opaque spindle
Dusk is fusk
thorn trout
some people complain enemies are too spongey, some people complain they die too fast apparently
can't please everyone!
crimson folio
I wonder what those that claim they're "spongy" would think of Quake, or even Doom
they're not spongy at all
to think that I imagine you'd have to only use the pistol lul
jade root
quakes most basic enemy is a bullet sponge
viral gate
Cuz they swole
crimson folio
yeah, did you know most Quake enemies die faster or as fast than most Doom 2 enemies? using the SSG for both
and no, Quake's basic enemies die in 2 shotgun shots
opaque spindle
Uh no???
viral gate
Grunts yea
but something like a orge, deathknight, fiend ah that's more than two SSG blasts
crimson folio
4 SSG shots in Quake take less time than 2 SSG shots in Doom 2
opaque spindle
No?
opaque spindle
And what if I don’t want to
crimson folio
I'll test it for u c:
opaque spindle
Because quake and doom is not dusk
smoky sigil
Enemy health values felt nice enough for me
Only real complaint I have is the Cartdogs being a bit too sponge-y for how lethal they are
drowsy oriole
Hey have you heard the health of the enemies was not documented on the wiki so I found them out myself using a guide for weapon damage?
Wanna see the list?
crimson folio
yeah @drowsy oriole
drowsy oriole
Cowgirl 2000
Cart Dog 1200
Bone Ball 1000
Fork Maiden 1000
Wendigo 1000
Horror 700
Priestess 700
Grand Wizard/Duke Mage 700
Possessed Scarecrow 700
Welder 400
Leatherneck 370
Turret 300
Bone Monk 275
Chomper's Son 200
Mage 180
Scientist 175
Black Phillip 80
Possessed Soldier 55
Rat 50
jagged ferry
all i gathered from this is that the hunting rifle does 400 damage minimum and 699 maximum
fair mirage
but you can fire the riveter nearly 6 times before you can fire a second SSG shot
fair mirage
math is hard
crimson folio
the gimmicky maps are horrible
simple pilot
crimson folio
https://youtu.be/lA6OOdV4Ve4
Why is he playing with no weapon swaying/bobbing.
This isn’t okay
viral gate
I think he mentioned it made him motion sick at one point
which is completely valid in my books
crimson folio
It is. But having 120 hours, it just looks silly.
Because I’m used to seeing the weapon bobbing, I really like it if I’ll be honest.
viral gate
I would personally like to see a new setting where weapon sway is disabled but move bobbing still persists
crimson folio
Or possibly different weapon bobbing.
crimson folio
it makes me motion sick to not see the weapon bobbing/swaying, heh
grave barn
I prefer without sway or bobbing, but having the option for just bobbing would be cool
kinda like doom
viral gate
What do you mean what?
An option for viewmodel move bobbing without weapon sway caused by looking around
viral gate
All good
royal herald
weapon bobbing/etcetera is nauseating and doesn't do a whole lot of good for people who aim with viewmodels
crimson folio
that's completely subjective
crimson folio
do some people play with no crosshair?
atomic egret
yeah
viral gate
I do
graceful wing
ye weird people do
atomic egret
like scott
crimson folio
due to how dusk and hit feedback is designed
playing without a crosshair is completely viable
royal herald
I use the crosshair in addition to viewmodels
for certain weapons it is far easier
when I use stuff like ssg though, I NEED crosshairs, especially in duskworld. With stuff like the mortar and crossbow though, viewmodels are a fair amount easier for me to aim with
tiny glade
I had a weird fever dream where we got some dusk expansions where you play as Jacob and Big John
I woke up and was sad
crimson folio
Its getting SDK soon
olive cloud
mmmh yes thats what i like to hear
obsidian coral
So that means community will be able to make mods
Oh boy
What is those green crystals of madness used for?
simple pilot
just throw at enemies
obsidian coral
aaaand
what then?
tiny glade
It makes enemies infight
Big ol AOE of infighting. Useful for big groups or pacifist runs
obsidian coral
Got it
crimson folio
That launcher menu design for dawn SDK really reminds me of windows xp for some reason
like the startup launcher to alot of windows xp games
its almost nostalgic but kind of uncanny
gonna wait for an ADS mod once SDK releases
why don't you make one?
will the documentation be released with the sdk
graceful wing
yyye
neon dove
Hey can we amass proof that DUSK is real and based of true events that actually happened?
jade root
dusk is just a day in the life of david on his way to a piano tuning
idle wagon
dusk is what david did after buying some new fingerbones at home depot
slow harness
2.3 mb update?
opaque spindle
its episode 5
final estuary
they finally implemented a cooldown for the broken jumping
graceful wing
removed big john
spare cobalt
more like added an extra one somewhere
frosty berry
All we need to do is wait until DUSK has its 10 year anniversary and then ask the devs for Episode 4.
It'll work guys trust me.
olive cloud
Is there going to be a way for us to string levels together in level packs/custom campanges?
campaigns*
jagged ferry
@final estuary fuck you i almost choked from laughing so hard
crimson folio
If there's a Dusk update today, where are the patch notes?
@crimson folio In the balls.
man that was some serious whipping and nae nae'ing
grave barn
Out of curiosity, is there an eta for the sdk or next update in general, or is it a "soon™"
thorn trout
There was a small update for the localization branch. Small because nobody's posting any feedback despite having told us the translations are awful 😐
gleaming berry
yeet
final estuary
@jagged ferry oh come on it wasn't that funny
jagged ferry
caught me off guard
final estuary
Also that egm article is 👌
pseudo estuary
they removed the stupid bone monks
opal plover
Did they? Where?