jesus he ok
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
jagged ferry
little raptor
but if u drowned in money u'd die
woeful sonnet
he had to make like 20 songs in about 2 weeks for Quakecon this year
woeful sonnet
lel
woeful sonnet
he's also handling all the mixing and implementation in engine
but like feckin now he's going in and giving all the enemies footstep sounds, because 
woeful sonnet
I didn't ask him to he just popped into dev chat and is like yo, enemies feel kind of like they're ethereal and all since they play no sounds when they walk, so I'ma do that.
woeful sonnet
Lel
jagged ferry
nice
woeful sonnet
likely #modding actually
jagged ferry
but is it a mod
woeful sonnet
probably make more sense
jagged ferry
🤔
little raptor
It is a doom mod
woeful sonnet
I mean, its a self promotion related project
woeful sonnet
Lel
thorn trout
Dusk weapon sounds clip deliberately
It's a stylistic choice
That's how I do gunshots. The new pistol and mossberg sounds in MA do it also
Says the cultist sound like the actor was consuming his mic.``` Andrew recorded all the Cultist sounds so I guarantee you they are not peakingbecause he's very careful about that
that's one thing we disagree on actually lol
drowsy oriole
Hey David, where can I find a change log of Dusk since it's early access/ release? I'm interested in what balance changes were made to the enemies and weapons.
thorn trout
Erm, no such one exists afaik unfortunately, sorry!
drowsy oriole
I recall one of the devs saying the Leatherneck's health was larger and it was reduced. By how much I wonder?
thorn trout
I can't even remember tbh
drowsy oriole
worth asking. thanks.
jagged ferry
why would you want the weapon sounds to clip, just out of curiosity
thorn trout
to add a pop to the beginning
jagged ferry
ah
thorn trout
they aren't actually clipping since Unity normalizes everything, but I use the sound of a clipped impact at the beginning to make weapons sound more forceful.
I overdid it a bit with the pistols in Dusk
but I've learned since then
I beefed up the beretta sound in MA with the same approach, but I used separate samples for the low and high ranges of a secondary longer impact in addition, and controlled the bass a bit more
Same with Mossberg but that also has a bit of separation between the impact sound and the falloff echo which helps make the impact feel a bit more like an impact without having to overdo the clipping effect
jagged ferry
cool
thorn trout
Incidentally they did a similar thing in Condemned, where every melee impact sound is SUPER CLIPPED, making them sound really violent and dirty, like the speakers can't even really express the assault that's happening
let's not forget the king of ridiculously clipping sounds though
Soldier of Fortune's shotgun
woeful sonnet
I mean thats fine and all but it makes them really gear grinding to listen to.
Also the cultist thing was a comment from my composer so idk.
thorn trout
you're the first person that's ever complained about it tbh
maybe turn your volume down?
woeful sonnet
I turned it up because i wanted to really get absorbed in the atmosphere of the levels and such
The atmosphere is so good it kind of sucks I cant enjoy it more because "guns"
thorn trout
maybe music then? The audio should be fairly balanced so guns don't blow your ears out if everything's at a good volume
woeful sonnet
I didn't have it deafeningly loud if thats what you're thinking
thorn trout
well, I'm sorry it bothers you that much 🤷
woeful sonnet
it's not the end of the world to me personally just a minor nitpick
crimson folio
Do you find the same issue when playing something like Quake or Doom?
thorn trout
Games didn't have the frequency range back then
what he's talking about is relatively high frequency
woeful sonnet
My composer has way more of an issue with it than I do, like I said he refuses to finish it. I didn't know it was an intentional decision, I thought maybe you didn't realise that was the case and maybe it could be addressed.
thorn trout
Well he also thinks Andrew's sounds clip soooooooooo... 😛
woeful sonnet
Maybe i'm miswording what he said idk
thorn trout
If there's anyone in this world that records clean af sounds, it's Andrew
woeful sonnet
its been awhile
crimson folio
is Dusk mapping going to use Trenchbroom?
woeful sonnet
You can use it yes
I don't know if its the only way to or not but
Also no offense I'd take my composers word on sounds over most other peoples, I'm not saying that is the case and I could absolutely be butchering what he said.
But i do agree with him on the guns
thorn trout
I mean maybe I overdid it I dunno 🤷
Restraint is something I'm always slowly learning to utilize more
Sometimes it's good to go nuts, other times it's good to pull it back
I'm still in the process of learning when to pull it back lol
jagged ferry
tbh the only dusk gun sound i don't really like is the pistols and that's because i think they sound weak
woeful sonnet
For me its a minor greivance in an otherwise great game, but I'm also not a professional audio dude so I don't know all the ins and outs of sound design nor particularly care.
And worse comes to worse i figured someone will make a mod for it anyways
@jagged ferry I mean, power scaling is important, you don't want your week pidly weapons to feel as good to use as your chonkers
woeful sonnet
and functionally they're pretty weak
jagged ferry
like yeah sure they're pistols but this isn't call of duty
woeful sonnet
but I mean I thought power wise they felt fine
jagged ferry
i can still put down a soldier in like 2 shots with the damn things
actually maybe i'm only remembering the echo
woeful sonnet
yeah but you can sneeze and the soldiers die
woeful sonnet
I thought they sounded fine, I mean their shots are very high pitched sounding
jagged ferry
but if i'm only remembering the echo then what the fuck is wrong with me because i can remember all the other gun sounds fine
woeful sonnet
Maybe thats what you mean? They're just as... poppy and clicky as any of the other bullet weapons they just don't have the bass of the shotguns.
crimson folio
I just realized carmack destroyed walls just so a modded version of his game becomes more successful.
jagged ferry
i...what
woeful sonnet
Heh?
crimson folio
Half life 2 originated from goldsource which originated from quake.
Quake made 18 million meanwhile half life 2 made 40 million
I think
woeful sonnet
So basically quake is to blame
crimson folio
Yes.
graceful wing
quake suck
crimson folio
Never said it did suck
graceful wing
people who like quake dum
woeful sonnet
I was joking
crimson folio
I know
woeful sonnet
I just don't like the half life games
crimson folio
Wait this isn’t gam_ng
crimson folio
Frick
graceful wing
system shock is half life for ultra boomers
woeful sonnet
I haven't played System shock
Maybe one day
When good games stop coming out
Stop making good games david
graceful wing
can't sstop if he never started 🙂
woeful sonnet
jagged ferry
when the cop asks if you have a license for the knife you're holding and you ask if he has a license for the baton on his hip
dim star
i totally get where awesreek's sound guy is coming from, Dusk's weapon sounds are very loud compared to the rest of the game though it never got to the point where it bothered me
crimson folio
It makes sense cause guns are loud in real life and it feels satisfying
balmy sluice
Dusks guns are fine.
dim star
i agree but i can see why someone would have issues with them
jade root
Awesreek likes to complain because he’s an elite gamedev
thorn trout
Am I an elite gamedev jab
atomic egret
you already know what his answer will be
jade root
You don’t want me to answer that question
Make a real Theif 4 and we’ll have this discussion again
ohwait
:)
thorn trout
What if I make Thief with guns?
vague egret
so dishonored?
main swallow
no gunthief
vague egret
splinter cell?
thorn trout
🤪
jade root
I can’t believe David is working on a FEAR-combat inspired immersive sim
dim star
immersive dating sim
jade root
That’s just called VR
crimson folio
tbh like scifi thief could probably work
lean wolf
Scifi thief 
normal salmon
dusks gunfire didnt sound off to me
wasnt too loud/quiet
i could hear enemies over my guns
like their alert/search sounds
pistols sound bad but thats cuz they are
they work fine on soldiers sure but theres other tankier enemies that id rather have not pistols for
i only use em if im suffering from Ammo Drought™
or in duskworld because duskworld
woven elm
that GoG endless map looks fun 😢
halcyon jungle
It is
halcyon jungle
It'll come with the SDK, apparently. Whenever that comes out.
woven elm
👀
crimson folio
Don't want to annoy, but will New Game+ come after the SDK?
halcyon jungle
What would NG+ do exactly in a twitch shooter without any upgrades other than the weapons you collect?
I'm curious.
chilly holly
Ah yes let me play NG+ with intruder mode
jagged ferry
it'll also add new mechanics apparently
though what those are not many people know yet
woven elm
TIL there's gonna be a NG+
little raptor
isn't the level selection screen like a New Game plus already?
it lets you choose all guns and ammo you'd like to carry
NG+es are more for games that are around skills and abilities building
royal herald
not every game is like that in NG+
little raptor
I get it but you can already start out with all guns and ammo in the level select screen
royal herald
but the NG+ feature doesn't revolve around guns and ammo, that's what I'm saying.
little raptor
then what would it be about?
royal herald
"new mechanics"
that doesn't sound like the ability to select weapons on menu screen
little raptor
mighty boot ability
full sandal
has anyone been able to get the "Neutralize chomper" achievement recently?
i can't get it to work
royal herald
do you know what neutralizing means
if it's not working then you've got to figure out what neutralize means
full sandal
but i'm dumb
full sandal
don't bother, i'll come back to it later
little raptor
Unalive it
royal herald
that doesn't work
crimson folio
The guardians roar sounds a lot like doom 3s hell knight roar 👀
https://youtu.be/QiMKowiD_7Y
Im not gonna edit this because its the in first 10 seconds.
Wow typing is fun
Multitasking is fun
elder raft
wonder how long the 25% sale on GoG is gonna be up I don't get paid until next friday x.x (already got em all in steam though)
jagged ferry
@elder raft if you have dusk on steam already you're better off waiting for it to hit gog-connect so you don't have to pay
unless for some reason you want to pay for dusk again, then you do you
little raptor
hey so
have i ever told ya guys that one time i jumped on a bullet?
and have I ever told you that you can, in fact, jump on bullets?
mental tree
😮 Wat.
little raptor
I kid you not, it's possible
mental tree
That's amazing.
little raptor
I was playing on Erebus Reactor as I was going through my first playthrough of the game
a soldier shot at me from afar and I jumped from this platform to the next to get to him
I randomly landed on one of his bullets and could jump from it
crimson folio
woow
little raptor
there was nothing else close around me so I'm damn sure it was the bullet
mental tree
Did you stay on it, like a moving platform?
lean wolf
Interesting, I thought bullets would be trigger colliders
little raptor
nah I didn't stay on it, I just immediately jumped when I landed on it
I felt my character landing on something so I immediately jumped
mental tree
Hmm. I wonder if it's possible to bullet-elevator from an enemy under you. I'm going to try that sometime.
lean wolf
Maybe, but the bullet will get destroyed the moment it hits you
I guess there's very brief moment where it doesn't
Like one frame
little raptor
there is
I've noticed multiple times in which the bullet takes the frame of a second before it damages you
you can kinda feel it touching / pushing you
lean wolf
Ah
little raptor
what's weird though is that that one bullet did not do any damage to me, maybe because it did not identify anything before getting destroyed or something?
crimson folio
You can jump on fireballs too.
lean wolf
Well I can definitely say you can't surf the bullets (need to become child object of the bullet for that) but pushing around makes sense
@little raptor yes very likely
visual aurora
yo that's actually really cool
little raptor
Dusk's got some Maximum Action energy goin'
crimson folio
@thorn trout could you tell us if that's even a feature of the game, or is this guy just going nuts?
said he landed on a bullet for a split second and jumped immediately from it
little raptor
i showed u my bullet david answer me
thorn trout
You can jump off enemy bullets yeah
thorn trout
🙏
little raptor
thank u, thank u
left anchor
Ya know I’m kinda curious abt how the switch port of dusk is going
I also wonder how hard it is to port to the switch and stuff
jagged ferry
You can jump off enemy bullets
FUCKING WHAT
are we sure DUSK DUDE isn't ||an elder god too?||
little raptor
Well, no
||If he were an elder god I think he'd rather destroy stephan weytalothep instead of acquiring his power and "joining" it||
jagged ferry
||well maybe he's just a demi-god then||
little raptor
||I think he just became one now at the end||
thing is that he's so fast bullets are slow to him and he's light like a feather so he can jump on 'em easily!
simple pilot
discount Caleb
crimson folio
Celeb is just a guy in a trenchcoat
elder raft
Cool, I’ll wait for got connect for it/Æ Assuming they come to it
opaque spindle
Dusk is dumb
lean wolf
crimson folio
🅱onnect
dusky reef
here's a final little question, will the Dusk SDK have it's own mapping tool, or would it just be easier to use the Quake stuff already out there?
delicate sail
You're gonna wanna use trenchbroom or something similar
vague egret
SDK isnt a mapping tool. trenchbroom will handle that
SDK is a thing that will allow you to import things into dusk
dusky reef
cool, I just making sure, I've been learning quake mapping the past few days already
weary coyote
is duskdude afraid of frogs or does he just not like them
vague egret
pretty sure duskdude is indifferent towards frogs
weary coyote
frogs are our friends
delicate sail
Ye. Something about a flooded basement when David was younger iirc
weary coyote
what if David is Duskdude
delicate sail
pictures on the wall in e3m7 intensify
weary coyote
thinking
muted berry
crimson folio
little raptor
Appears to be a cult leader
I once made this an emote can we please add it to the server okay cool thank you
jagged ferry
i declare it: :b_o_i:
halcyon jungle
So wait. DUSK's levels were made with Trenchbroom? What was the workflow for that like?
jade root
No they were made in probuilder
But the sdk accepts .bsp files for maps
So that’s why trenchboom is gonna our official map maker
agile niche
are the mp servers usually empty?
thin sphinx
hey seems like dusk has hung for some reason when i started it
seems fine the second time its started though
crimson folio
TrenchBroom is simple and easy to use
so whoever is dedicated will have fun making maps for Dusk, or Quake
vernal ocean
jagged ferry
big john: COME ON, KILL ME
simple pilot
woven elm
crimson folio
I love this one
woven elm
hahah yes
I was looking for it for ages
the guy's twitter account is gone
heck I think the guy's just gone 🤔
crimson folio
I think he got a new account
lean wolf
Lmfao
mild ginkgo
@pearl lichen is still here afaik
pearl lichen
?
mild ginkgo
the meme master
pearl lichen
oh lol
crimson folio
Hello meme master
pearl lichen
woven elm
Oh it u :)
pseudo estuary
guys I have a question
what the fuck is gog and why did people want a gog version of dusk
tardy slate
gog stands for God of Gamers
dusk for the god of gamers
crimson folio
Bruh u don't want some Dusk Extra
mild ginkgo
its just a store that sells games that isnt steam
a large part of its user base prefers that store because the games sold there are DRM free, or spite for valve
the steam version of dusk was DRM free to begin with
graceful wing
Gog is steam minus the drm
woven elm
also minus a native linux client
woven elm
nope
viral gate
Least you can straight up download games
mild ginkgo
we still have a linux client on gog
just not galaxy
you can absolutely still play it on linux with the gog version
viral gate
Yeet
crimson folio
teey
crimson folio
very cool, thanks
weary coyote
I wonder what sort of machine gun Duskdude uses
Is it an M42? Or something out of R6S? IDK
jagged ferry
the assault rifle?
it's an lsd fueled nightmare of a piece of equipment
a small part of me wishes it was an m16a2 just to see how david would've handled burst fire and also so i can actually tell what it is tbh
vague egret
its a mislabeled m60. cant convince me otherwise
jagged ferry
ig it's closer to an m60 then anything else
though calling it an m60 would be quite a stretch
thorn trout
It was loosely based on an M60 yeah
jagged ferry
hm
halcyon jungle
DUSK doesn't have an imfdb page. Someone should get on it.
jagged ferry
"Pistol:
Fuck if I know what it is but apparently it's supposed to be a Makarov? Even though those should be banned from import"
crimson folio
What about the Rifle?
summer jacinth
viral gate
Now that I believe.
drowsy oriole
-gog version
-completionist done on all levels but no achievement.
mild ginkgo
Is this is a question, Or a statement orrr?
drowsy oriole
It's a problem. I'm going through the levels again to see where i went wrong or if it was my fault to begin with at all.
viral gate
Level select shows completionist awards
drowsy oriole
They all say I have the award
viral gate
along with other awards and the most amount of kills and secrets etc.
drowsy oriole
All of the levels say I have the completionist award. I even got all of the soap and i don't have that other achievement either.
rocky lichen
i play Duskworld with dixieland jazz 🎺
jagged ferry
thanks i hate it
also this is #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk not #374852069137580033
rocky lichen
shall i remove and move?
rocky lichen
thnx dad
pseudo estuary
nice
atomic egret
thank you churbot, very cool
viral gate
I miss when Shill used to threaten to destroy the world and consume our souls.
those were the days
simple pilot
now there are no days
woven elm
😢
viral gate
Least it's VERY SOON!
viral gate
Yep yep
woven elm
and I feel like I've already got my money's worth of Dusk, so anything extra is 👌 💯 🔥
Or however the kids say it
viral gate
🤷
toxic gyro
I think the kids say "waah waaah this game shit where are all the lootboxes"
lean wolf
I doubt kids want those either
woven elm
the kids will say "how do I get skins for this gun"
final estuary
No no they'll ask how to prone
simple pilot
more like "where are abilities and whats my ultimate"
final estuary
Yeah that too
woven elm
straight out of 99
nimble umbra
dang zoomers getting joked on
dusky reef
Super Shotgun is your ultimate, obviously
glad bramble
When will we get 4th Dusk episode: The Ultimate Dusk
jagged ferry
no Ultimate Dusk is the edition containing the 4th episode
the 4th episode will be Thy Metal Welded
glad bramble
For a true retro game with a "fourth episode"-esque formula
So there will be 4th episode?
jagged ferry
no i was going with the joke
lean wolf
u got joked on
delicate sail
Ng+ is comin 
tho
olive cloud
Nb makes a qc/smb of their own. Quick list all characters an their ability’s
vast tangle
jagged ferry
he just slams a bar of soap in your face and you get immediately kicked
drowsy oriole
@mild ginkgo I've played through every level a second time and made sure to collect all secrets and kills AND picked up every bar of soap and I still didn't get the gog achievements. I think they're bugged. Even now the stats for those 2 achievements is still at 0%. No one can get it.
<@&249011167937298432>
crude forge
new cheevo idea: run dusk on uplay
chilly holly
Dusk on epic sto... Nha
oak grove
just dropped my review as KingKannibal
uneven echo
Is the SDK out yet?
oak grove
I'm sad that I got a lot of free games from the Epic Store and can't play them because I don't wanna support a company trying to deliberately undercut other companies. Every other digital distributor isn't getting in each other's way, but actually complimenting each other by taking advantage of the Steam ecosystem.
chilly holly
When sdk haha lol
Epic =not epic
The moment they ditched unreal tournament for fornite
Oof
My tender heart started bleeding
But like bad bleeding
oak grove
UT3 probably thinned out whatever was left of the greater community.
UT4 did not feel like it had any impact. moving to #bnnuy-and-the-jits for this topic btw
weary coyote
What if Duskdude could Quake 4 crouch slide
weary coyote
What would he be?
restive isle
There seems to be a little bug when trying to remap next weapon and previous weapon to l2 and r2 on my controller. Using a Logitech F310. I moved secondary fire and shooting to l and r and they work fine, but weapon switching doesn't work. When I changed it back to how it was, then it works. Reason I changed it is cause l2 and r2 on this controller are very awkward for me to use.
GOG version btw.
mild ginkgo
make sure you change the input thresholds as well
fierce sun
I'm back babeh
drowsy oriole
@mild ginkgo I've played through every level a second time and made sure to collect all secrets and kills AND picked up every bar of soap and I still didn't get the gog achievements. I think they're bugged. Even now the stats for those 2 achievements is still at 0%. No one can get it.
mild ginkgo
didnt you just ping me about this like a few hours ago?
or has something changed
regardless, yep, we are looking into it
royal herald
I think he was unsure previously, now he knows for certain though
mild ginkgo
knows what?
drowsy oriole
That you're looking into it. And thank you, I appreciate it.
restive isle
@mild ginkgo I didn't think I had to change the thresholds for that. I didn't do it for L and R and it they worked fine.
restive isle
how do I change thresholds? Then guide is a little confsing.
mild ginkgo
no its VERY confusing
so for the input you are using, say m14
set t14 to the desired input
for windows, inputs are 0 to 1
1 being pressed in all the way
0 being not pressed in
restive isle
Ah ok. I get it now. That really helps.
restive isle
Well tried it... and did nothing.
mild ginkgo
if you want, upload your mapping and i can take a look at it
minor reef
Dus
lean wolf
K
dim star
H
lean wolf
H
lean wolf
no
crimson folio
Okey how about check out @lean wolf new game
lean wolf
my game bad
lean wolf
💀
crimson folio
Everything I make is just techdemos lmao
lean wolf
just do whatever is fun dude
crimson folio
okey I'm making conc perfect 2020
crimson folio
👀
rare musk
You're not certifiably insane enough to do it properly anyway
crimson folio
Probably not
slow harness
@graceful wing the dusk translation document didn't feature all of the words. What happens if you don't have a translation of the word to put in the dusk's localization file?
crimson folio
Might fuck around and pull out the source physics movement from Velocity
graceful wing
Wait for the SDK. It will expose all text elements in the game
vague egret
Never
crimson folio
Lain u don't need to be so negative
brittle cradle
Gog connect when?
crimson folio
uhhh in like 2
winter mauve
2 waht
crimson folio
2
final estuary
GOG CONNEEEEEEEECT
simple pilot
Connect what
spare robin
4
simple pilot
5
crimson folio
Hey guys let's connect on facebook
lean wolf
H
crimson folio
Bruh I'm pretty sure you chose to be here
final estuary
Gog disconnect my life support
untold vale
We're like Hotel California.
You can check out anytime.
But you can never leave.
weary coyote
Do we have that twangy guitar, though?
untold vale
I'll bet you someone can supply one.
mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
2 weeks
loud pecan
if only
fair mirage
vague totem
hey, I can't get DUSK to go past the "loading tunes" screen. I've tried waiting for a long time and all it does is completely crash after 5 or so minutes. Does anyone have a solution?
vague totem
I mean actually close
mild ginkgo
also system specs would be helpful to know
is it close after you try some input, or it just closes unprompted
vague totem
strangely got it to load in 10 seconds and actually open after trying out DuskWorld
it closed without any input
running on latest Ubuntu x64 with a 7th gen i5 and a GTX 750
mild ginkgo
ram?
vague totem
8 GB
mild ginkgo
hm ok
will try to look into whats happening, but something you can try in the meantime
if you add -logfile output_log.txt to the launch options, and run the game, it will generate and output log we might be able to use in order to see what might be going wrong
vague totem
I'll give it a try the next time I have to launch it and send you the info
mild ginkgo
👍
restive isle
@mild ginkgo Sorry I had ended up uninstalling and reinstalling the game, cause I couldn't remember what the default settings were to change it back to. Will give it another try then get back to you.
crimson folio
Apparently DeSinc has never heard of DUSK before
crimson folio
He said the voice acting was bad in the trailer in the beginning.
Which I wonder why
thorn trout
Imagine thinking Dusk is supposed to have good voice acting
jagged ferry
well
one part does
one part very much does
and tbh i found ||jakob's voice|| fine for the most part
like it works and it isn't distracting
thorn trout
one part does ye
I mean the vo for the rest of the game isn't supposed to be bad, but it's supposed to be kind of cheesy
because it's a retro FPS
crimson folio
Half life 1 has worse voice acting than DUSKs
oak grove
whoever is into Steam tile/GOG tiles. here's this.
https://imgur.com/dmkaJUE
original came from here which I'm wondering if it was authorized.
https://displate.com/displate/789100
balmy sluice
I have my doubts that it is.
jagged ferry
Half life 1 has worse voice acting than DUSKs
though hl1's is far more memeworthy
crimson folio
Indeed.
graceful wing
not authorized
atomic egret
not even remotely lmao
balmy sluice
Thats better suited for #bnnuy-and-the-jits or #gami_g
crimson folio
Don't you just love the old riveter
jagged ferry
looks like a rusty sten chambered in .30-06
rare musk
I riven't
crimson folio
QuakeGame
graceful wing
dusk is a quake ripoff. this is nothing new
crimson folio
I think Dusk is closer to Painkiller in combat than to Quake
Nahh the music machine was the best one
jagged ferry
err
flat juniper
even worse
dusk copied an awful game
jagged ferry
what
flat juniper
also what
jagged ferry
what
crimson folio
nah, it's about the same
jagged ferry
in literally what way
crimson folio
large open areas, fast-firing guns and enemies coming from all directions while you have to keep bunnyhopping to dodge 'em
flat juniper
You enter a room, get trapped in there with monsters, kill them, continue.
It's an arena shooter.
Dusk is not an arena shooter lmao
jagged ferry
large open areas, fast-firing guns and enemies coming from all directions while you have to keep bunnyhopping to
ok again what
crimson folio
1 - Dusk has a shit ton of arenas
2 - The level progression isn't what I'm talking about
it's the way you deal with enemies
jagged ferry
"fast-firing guns" only really applies to the assault rifle and the other two only apply to like
2 levels
flat juniper
how is it more painkiller than quake though
you literally move fast and kill lots of enemies in quake too
jagged ferry
well
crimson folio
Quake focuses on small to medium-sized rooms with few enemy counts
jagged ferry
the assault rifle and grabbing the totems i guess
crimson folio
and you go back more than you go foward with Quake
flat juniper
but Painkiller doesn't have level-design lol
jagged ferry
ig you could argue dusk is more doom then quake just off enemy counts
but painkiller?
crimson folio
nope
flat juniper
nah dusk is catacombs 3D
crimson folio
Doom isn't nearly as fast-paced
flat juniper
because rat level
jagged ferry
Doom isn't nearly as fast-paced
jagged ferry
doesn't doomguy literally run faster then like 60 mph
flat juniper
"Doom doesn't focus on large areas either"
what
jagged ferry
most rooms are small
so are a lot of rooms in dusk...?
flat juniper
have you played a doom game
jagged ferry
and yeah
crimson folio
Your movspeed =/= How fast you have to be to dodge
crimson folio
Your movspeed =/= How fast you have to be to win
crimson folio
I've beat Doom 1 and 2 more times than you can count
flat juniper
what an epic gamer
jagged ferry
THEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE LYING
crimson folio
Including, I beat Doom 1 without running a few times
you don't need to run to beat Doom 1
different with Doom 2, though
jagged ferry
you don't need to run to beat Doom 1
different with Doom 2, though
and
crimson folio
Dusk's combat is different from Doom
that's the whole point
did you fucking forget it
flat juniper
in what way?
jagged ferry
it's closer to doom then painkiller
crimson folio
the movement lol
That's the point I just made
you're literally ignoring what I'm saying
flat juniper
you can run in both dusk and doom though
flat juniper
you can strafe jump for sure
crimson folio
does Doom have focus on large, open areas and fast-moving enemies coming from all directions?
This should be an emoji.
flat juniper
'does Doom have focus on large, open areas and fast-moving enemies coming from all directions?'
yes
yes it does
crimson folio
you haven't played Doom then
jagged ferry
no u
flat juniper
but ive played it more times than you can count!!
crimson folio
or you're wearing nostalgia goggles
jagged ferry
and i don't mean that ironically
crimson folio
point me three large open areas in Doom 1, that are an important section of the map
flat juniper
jagged ferry
dude i couldn't point you to 3 examples of anything in doom 1 the last time i beat it was ages ago
flat juniper
important part
crimson folio
the boss room in E1M8 is medium-sized
flat juniper
that's literally the map
crimson folio
"that's literally the map" oh
you mean
that big part of the map there?
that has literally no enemies?
or anything?
ah yes, that's the focal point of the map dude
flat juniper
just because the outside is big doesnt mean the inside isn't also big
crimson folio
@jagged ferry hey
you're making the statement that Doom 1 has a focus on large open areas
flat juniper
Suburbs
crimson folio
but you can't even remember them?
jagged ferry
no, i'm making the statement that DOOM has a focus on large open areas
not JUST doom 1
flat juniper
pretty much any level in the last half of DOOM 2
jagged ferry
now normally i MIGHT be making that claim but doom 2 might as well be an expansion pack to doom 1
crimson folio
I've clearly stated that I'm talking about Doom 1, multiple times in this conversation
jagged ferry
I'M THE ONE WHO FUCKING BROUGHT UP DOOM
flat juniper
you did not say you were talking about doom 1
jagged ferry
I THINK I'M THE ONE WHO GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THAT REFERS TO
crimson folio
when you say "Doom" do you just assume people are going to think of all Doom games?
flat juniper
and I know what you're about to point to
crimson folio
although not all Doom games possess the same gameplay?
rare musk
Wtf happened in the 15 minutes I looked away
jagged ferry
i'd assume you'd think doom 1 and 2 because that's usually what people mean in my experience
flat juniper
boomer mad because doom and dusk isn't allowed to be similar
crimson folio
Guys I think this argument is getting us
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CsEhJfeC24g
crimson folio
Can I get muted
flat juniper
just @ your local mod or admin
crimson folio
but yeah, Doom 1 and 2 are far different from Dusk in terms of movement, level and the general way you have to deal with enemies
flat juniper
general way you have to deal with enemies
crimson folio
just the fact that you can't jump should be a clear distinction between both
flat juniper
lmao
crimson folio
not really
flat juniper
circle strafe, shoot fast, dodge
crimson folio
why not?
jagged ferry
why would it be
crimson folio
because in both games bunnyhopping is the focus of the movement, and both possess fast enemies coming from all directions -- commonly in arenas
balmy sluice
So how about that #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk ?
flat juniper
but how moreso than quake?
DUSK has like 2 big maps
that doesn't make it like painkiller
crimson folio
Quake levels are small and focus on small rooms, and the way enemies behave forces you to run backwards rather than fowards or strafe
jagged ferry
both possess fast enemies coming from all directions -- commonly in arenas
you're taking erebus and dweller and using that to judge the entire game
why
crimson folio
@jagged ferry I'm talking about most levels
jagged ferry
NO
crimson folio
no, all of them
jagged ferry
you're talking about EREBUS and DWELLER
crimson folio
duccek tooo biisst gaiimeah
Dusk doesn't need arenas to have similar combat to Painkiller
jagged ferry
goalshifting 100
flat juniper
a good most of DUSK's maps are indoors after the first few maps of E1
crimson folio
but Dusk features a lot of arenas
flat juniper
so does quake
crimson folio
and when you're put in them, the similarities to Painkiller are much more apparent
@flat juniper point them out to me
flat juniper
how about no, i'm not going to waste more time looking for maps
play Quake yourself boomer
flat juniper
Im sure you beat doom 1 and 2 just before that too
because you're an epic boomer who is always on his vidya A-game
im sure you beat quake 2 just as I was typing this
crimson folio
ok, and how does that prove your point?
flat juniper
my point is that you're cool and epic dude
jagged ferry
you're the one failing to prove a point tbh
jagged ferry
you haven't proven them really
in fact you backtracked on the arena one
RaivaYesterday at 23:59
Dusk doesn't need arenas to have similar combat to Painkiller
crimson folio
there's a burden of proof here, you claim Doom has large open areas but you fail to prove so
flat juniper
when's the last time you beat painkiller? right now?
jagged ferry
you claim dusk plays like painkiller but you fail to prove so
crimson folio
I never beat it, I just watched runs of it
jagged ferry
WHEEZE
crimson folio
???
flat juniper
fucking wheeze
get the fuck out of here, I'm done with this conversation
that was rich
crimson folio
sure
because I never bothered to play Painkiller I'm somehow unable to draw similarities between it and another game?
atomic egret
my sides
jagged ferry
^ when mac rounds are authorized in atmosphere
crimson folio
anyways yeah
Doom 1 doesn't have large areas as you claim
nor does Quake possess arenas
atomic egret
have you played either of those ones
crystal vessel
Doesn't Doom 1 have Mt Erebus
flat juniper
sure he did, he just played and beat them all today
atomic egret
yeah am it's in e3 iirc
crimson folio
what are you mocking me for
you claimed I didn't play those games and when I tell you I did you act like I'm lying
atomic egret
I claimed nothing
jagged ferry
wait
crimson folio
I'm talking to Muffin
atomic egret
I asked a question which you haven't answered
jagged ferry
does painkiller even have keys
simple pilot
kinda
flat juniper
not that I know of
graceful wing
here we fucking go again
simple pilot
in BooH at least
crimson folio
@atomic egret if I've played Doom and Quake? yes
flat juniper
well it's somewhat related to dusk
jagged ferry
🤔
flat juniper
just laughably so
graceful wing
it ain't dusk
jagged ferry
d u s t
graceful wing
it ain't going here
crimson folio
I am talking about Dusk actually
crimson folio
you never said why
jagged ferry
you want me to prove a negative when you still haven't proven yours?
crimson folio
how do you expect me to prove to you that a game is similar to a different one?
the answer is: I tell you the reasons
which I did
you choose to believe them or not
jagged ferry
and they were superficial at best and wrong at worst
crimson folio
why?
jagged ferry
well dusk has like 2 levels i'd describe as "arenas" for one
and the bunnyhopping is superficial
crimson folio
you can bhop literally all the time in both games (Painkiller and Dusk)
jagged ferry
because for example quake has bunnyhopping but it's much more for speedrunning then combat
crimson folio
and Dusk has a ton of arenas, but just two levels really are entirely arenas, you're right about that
jagged ferry
what's an "arena" in your mind
crimson folio
that doesn't change that the way you fight in most areas is similar, for both games
jagged ferry
i'm looking at painkiller footage right now and i have no idea how you've come to that conclusion
flat juniper
nor do I as someone who has actually played multiple painkiller games
crimson folio
a carefully constructed open room with a lot of passages to allow for dynamic movement but in an area that can be constituted as only one I guess
jagged ferry
well i guess avain gave up on us like my parents did on me
a carefully constructed open room with a lot of passages to allow for dynamic movement but in an area that can be constituted as only one I guess
can you give a concrete example from dusk
crimson folio
the area with the church and the tornado
and E2M1
are the ones that first come to mind
flat juniper
the passages for dynamic movement?
afaik there's a big meat field and a church, and then it becomes small and linear
flat juniper
erebus is the only one I can even remotely say
crimson folio
E3M3
jagged ferry
eh
flat juniper
but even Erebus is better than pretty much any painkiller arena by a mile
jagged ferry
kinda
flat juniper
E3M3 is more Quake
jagged ferry
but for every arena-y level there's also one with a bunch of corridors
crimson folio
It can be better, but I think the way that level and Painkiller work are similar
flat juniper
in what ways?
crimson folio
Dusk just gives me Painkiller vibes too
crimson folio
it is
atomic egret
bro i am just vibing
jagged ferry
v i b e t i m e
flat juniper
check them vibes
crimson folio
@flat juniper both possess arenas, where you fucking fly around at highspeed
with enemies coming from all directions
atomic egret
vibe check
vibe check
flat juniper
im glad that flying around at highspeed and killing stuff is unique to painkiller
crimson folio
Cive Vheck
jagged ferry
e3m1, e3m2
crimson folio
@flat juniper the way they both do it is similar
flat juniper
it really isn't
jagged ferry
most of e1
flat juniper
if you had actually played Painkiller you would understand why
jagged ferry
there's like 1 room that you could say is an arena in..e1m7?
crimson folio
I mean, I can see exactly how the movement and fights work just by watching people play it
crimson folio
I don't know why I'd have to play it if I'd just see the same shit I'm seeing on video rn
flat juniper
because the movement and combat feel weird
jagged ferry
you can't see controls
flat juniper
like, it's floaty
prisma halo
I can absolutely see the Painkiller comparison, hell I've made the comparison myself
jagged ferry
i still can't
prisma halo
Dusk is a faster paced Painkiller with level design
crimson folio
^ about what I think
jagged ferry
i don't see it
prisma halo
Well, Painkiller has level design if you're only talking about the first game and not the shitty knockoffs that came out later 
But it's a very different kind
flat juniper
it's still a gross very basic level design
prisma halo
It's arena after arena but it's done in a very specific way that I think flows well
and none of the later games managed to capture that
crimson folio
Bro DUSK is just fast halo
flat juniper
oh shid
jagged ferry
lmao
flat juniper
i can jump
and shoot monsters
in big level
f a s t
Still, combat feels and plays way differently, despite being fast and having shoot weapons
combat itself is much more like quake, as is the having actual game level design
crimson folio
can't draw the comparison
mostly because I rarely press the S key when playing Dusk but I do it a lot when playing Quake
jagged ferry
what difficulty did you play dusk on
crimson folio
Ciero Medo
jagged ferry
*cero miedo
crimson folio
whatever
crimson folio
I thought it meant "I want Fear"
jagged ferry
nnno
crimson folio
because it sounds so similar to "Quero Medo" in Portuguese
jagged ferry
actually i think it's technically "no fear"
crimson folio
which means exactly "I want Fear"
rare musk
cero maido
jagged ferry
cero maio
crimson folio
yeah that's the equivalent to "Quero"
crimson folio
Oh boy mayo
rare musk
queso mayo
jagged ferry
dusk but with half-life sfx
simple pilot
is painkiller stigmatized on this server for no reason
jagged ferry
gman as ||;)---------------||
jagged ferry
subrule: no painkillers, therefore no max payne
jagged ferry
racks .45
simple pilot
kill the PAAAAAAin 
flat juniper
So how about that Max Paynekiller
crimson folio
Soon tm xd
thorn trout
I mean Dusk did have some Painkiller influences, because Painkiller is awesome and I like it
A bunch of weird stuff, like the electric towers in Erebus Reactor are modeled after similar towers in Painkiller's factory level
graceful wing
quakegame
crimson folio
David how come it's always Fingerbones this fingerbones that
Why doesn't anyone talk about the music machine ree
thorn trout
Because it's not as memeable I assume
crimson folio
😥
slow harness
bonerfinges
sly path
simple pilot
i knew dusk ripedoff from pk
dim star
finger bones? dont mind if i do
mild ginkgo
ripped off is a strong way of putting that lol
olive cloud
fuuuuuuck sdk is gonna be so awesome
minor reef
I can’t wait til dusk comes out
jade root
Bitch I got to C1L2
simple pilot
dayum
simple pilot
but did you made it to C1L3?
hollow ivyBOT
spare cobalt
minor reef
I can’t wait for painkiller to come out
ruby swift
