#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
crimson folio
night blaze
reef pecan
pearl thunder
YOU MADLAD YOU RELEASED IT ON GOG
night sage
Just bought again, because fuck it
vivid cape
where is GOG connect?
crimson folio
when will it be available on connect?
serene creek
is the gogatorium gog exclusive
serene creek
damn it
pearl thunder
Oy
Now we have gog watch out for the hackers
Unless we do IP banning
Do we do that?
visual aurora
it's okay seeker will make them quit the game
ebon radish
no sdk yet, i go back to lurking.
crimson folio
Same
cold bay
i need that sdk
normal salmon
crimson folio
Just copy over the level file lmao
toxic elbow
latly discovered how you can yeet cultust with a book or a tire or what evs to the sky
bright elbow
I hope they ping when it's available on GOG connect. I've been looking forward to the release but I don't have the money to buy it again atm
void warren
i do too
cyan gale
gog connect has almost never worked for me. having to double dip is annoying
pearl thunder
@gleaming berry You da man, thanks so much for caring about your company and game
gleaming berry
Thanks! We love you and we hate money!
dim star
i love me and i also love money
crimson folio
Too bad take my money
vast tangle
Will the Gogatorium make it's way to the Steam version?
I'm assuming when the SDK is out, at least
vague egret
when gog connect comes online, you will be able to check it out that way
crimson folio
I can’t wait to play DOOM in DUSK
final estuary
DOOSK
tardy slate
yo anywhere i can check patch notes?
chilly holly
Nice name ;;;;)
spare cobalt
waiting for the sun to rise
graceful wing
6 hrs
spare cobalt
not great not terrible
little raptor
let us tell ghost stories to keep avain awake in the graveyard shift :)
graceful wing
I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t
graceful wing
I mean I get all of that for free anyways 😉
little raptor
:o
you can still throw money at them and support them since they're all good boys, yes?
graceful wing
Nah quite the other way around actually. Dave needs to pay me for this month already 
dim star
dave's child support is late again?
spare cobalt
everybody knows Dave's checks stopped clearing months ago
graceful wing
Dave rations 1 bag of instant ramen and a glass of cheap vodka a day for his staff
spare cobalt
wow
that's at least 700 calories less than what I eat daily
new blood be lean¨
no wonder you guys got day jobs xD
little raptor
maybe if he did not spend so much on toys and food for roxy
graceful wing
Some of us do, others don’t
little raptor
spare cobalt
hey dont bring roxy into this
graceful wing
Mine and pains tasks can be done from pretty much anywhere
mild ginkgo
I haven't eaten anything at all in about 24 hours lol
spare cobalt
xD
mild ginkgo
I'll take the instant ramen
little raptor
graceful wing
I should heat up some “lunch” soon
Got an ice cold zero ultra in there waiting for me too
winter mauve
aw man, no GOG connect yet?
tawny briar
nice
mild ginkgo
We'll get connect going as soon as we can
graceful wing
Connect will land sometime later on. No date as of yet
Our sights are all on the SDK currently
Top priority
winter mauve
fair enough I guess
jagged ferry
what
why are you trying to access it through the library
it's in the DLC folder of the Dusk folder in your common directory
spare cobalt
everything is in your DUSK install folder
slate edge
where is dusk sdk
crimson folio
1+ week delay
lean wolf
where isn't dusk sdk
spare cobalt
sorry it doesnt work like that :(
lean wolf
dusky reef
I have a quick question, if I were to get the GOG version of Dusk, would I still be able to utilize the Steam Workshop content when that's available?
vague egret
@dusky reef GOG version likely wont have any access to the workshop. same is true for other titles that are on both platforms.
GOG guys will probably have to rely on moddb or nexus
dusky reef
I figured as much, just wanted to make sure, I'm trying to convince some friends to grab Dusk and wanted to make sure we all had the same experience
thanks!
vague egret
mild ginkgo
@dusky reef we are looking into a way to provide access to it yes
there are sites that allow you to download workshop content directly anyways
dusky reef
yes, another option would be to download the files myself and send them over to whoever would need them to ensure we had the exact same setup, I just wanted to make sure they had all the main differences between the two versions before they jumped on one and regretted it later
mild ginkgo
the two versions with the SDK will be identical
solid lynx
if you use cheats does picking soap up count toward the achievment
cause i swear to god ive picked up every soap in each level and still dont have it
mild ginkgo
in fact, the gog content will likely just be in the form of an "official mod"
solid lynx
so ive been using inf ammi and stuff
and revisting the levels
will that block the achievment?
mild ginkgo
hm, did you try on the new update
solid lynx
sat on the "thank you" screen
yea it updated
actually no i havnt tried to get it again after the update il try now
mild ginkgo
achievement code was updated a bit on the new version so maybe it will unlock for you now
dusky reef
I appreciate the info, and I can't wait to make some Dusk maps, been a while since I did any mapping
mild ginkgo
we're just as excited for maps as you are hahaha
crimson folio
if i'm not mistaken... steam users can redeem the game on gog?
red gale
Happy GOG day folks
vale oar
little raptor
oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
vague egret
oh fuck
crimson folio
F
fair mirage
that didn't take long
molten plover
atomic egret
leatherneck for smash
crimson folio
sdk soon™
broken mortar
Is Dusk porting to switch? 
crimson folio
no
crimson folio
How will it even work
simple pilot
this year 
?
opaque spindle
I have no idea lol I'd say probably next year wanna make sure the pc version is feature complete first I'd imagine
amber yarrow
crimson folio
Understandable
reef axle
not 666 hours
crimson folio
500 is working on everything
mild ginkgo
👷
crimson folio
Good morning bro
mild ginkgo
👋
crimson folio
How u doing today
mild ginkgo
🤷
lean wolf
He's so hip
toxic gyro
emojis are so 2003
crimson folio
Emojis are so MSN
lean wolf
But they were smileys
crimson folio
were they tho?
lean wolf
Yes
reef axle
is it really still a smiley if its not smiling?
crimson folio
Dude
I love UTF
Like
"Lets add some characters from a dead language"
"Oh sure"
mild ginkgo
fuck utf-8, utf-7 crew reporting in
crimson folio
but utf-8 doesn't conflict with 7bit ascii
crimson folio
Ye
It's always cool to lookup characters
like "START OF TEXT (U+0002)"
Is this even used on the protocol level
crimson folio
It's still amazing how Dusk was created on Unity, yet feels like a completely different retro-like engine instead.
something something sharders and tight controls
lean wolf
Unity is pretty versatile
Just gotta know how to use your tools
which I dont
But like pillars of eternity is also made in unity and that's one of my favorite games
eternal carbon
feels bad when unity has it's reputation lowered to a point where that's just about all you hear about good games that were made on it
main swallow
Yeah it's annoying that unity gets so much bm, loads of good games are made in it
lean wolf
Yep
"oh you made it with Unity it must suck ha ha" is something I've heard about some of my stuff. I mean, they may suck but it's not because of unity 😄
woven elm
The Windows version of Dusk is using OpenGL right?
woven elm
I find it interesting a lot of these new unityshooters build for openGL on windows instead of directX
lean wolf
Dunno if opengl is lighter
woven elm
Unity should automatically target the most suitable API for the platform
I'm not complaining - fuck directX
lean wolf
You can override it
mild ginkgo
well, its good practice to use a universal graphics api
you dont wanna end up writing a shader that only works on windows and not other plats
lean wolf
Makes sense
woven elm
glad you boys care about other platforms to begin with 👍
crimson folio
Reminder to myself: learn how the fuck to write shaders
royal herald
reminder: have someone else who knows how do it
queen coral
wonder how well https://github.com/bkaradzic/bgfx performs
(@universal graphics api)
woven elm
@queen coral that's sick
untold vale
Guys, I love how calling people "worthy" is our thing.
queen coral
yeah I'm still looking for an excuse to use bgfx in an application, it looks p. sweet
little raptor
that is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny screenshot
why are you deleting your own messages what
toxic elbow
I just found out fire can be under water in dusk
little raptor
there we go
toxic elbow
a bit better
reef fossil
will mods be exclusive to steam workshop or will gog get a chance at them
toxic elbow
weird, you got alex vance on your profile and you dont have steam?
or you just like GOG better
little raptor
was that an attempt at comedy 
what's the matter with asking for gog mods
gog's a great platform to have your games on
toxic elbow
no it wasnt a joke like maybe that means he is a fan of valves game
reef fossil
Yes, but I like DRM free too. I mostly use Steam for HL2 mods, but I don’t like the idea of being too dependent on a launcher.
queen coral
gog, itch >
toxic elbow
yeah steam might be really comfortable its not the greatest for moding I geuss..
I mean if there is steam work shop its not that bad... but it can be better
reef fossil
Its great for Valve game modding, but I prefer the old way for other games
spare robin
the sdk will be included as a launch option
I believe
so it won't be exclusive to steam
reef fossil
Also I don’t consider games without mod support as real games 😂
toxic elbow
I guess Im not too crazy on mods /:
queen coral
games without mod support are challenges
toxic elbow
unless if they are really well made ones
queen coral
mod your own mod support
spare robin
because there's a discussion about drm here
what would be the best method for piracy protection
without using like
denuvo
queen coral
making a good game people want to buy
toxic elbow
I mean most half life 2 and 1 modes on steam are kinda weak.
the portal ones are a bit better
and there is work shop for it... of course I guess most modes are in garrys mode's work shop
reef fossil
I disagree heavily with the first part of what you said lol.
Back to GoG, its more convenient for my low end labtop, which I now have to use more since my main rig broke
UPS yeeted its internals.
spare robin
that makes sense
vague egret
Dusk plays fine on laptops
reef fossil
No, I’m using Steam offline mode since I got no internet till sat and it plays fine
I rather not deal being at the mercy of an offline mode of a launcher
vague egret
Your mileage and performance may vary on Intel HD. A dedicated GPU is ideal
toxic elbow
internet is a bitch, envy them who actually are confident to buy google staidia, but not because of their console if you know what I mean
spare robin
destroys the battery
I can't run dusk on this either
because it's a pentium 1
with 4gb ddr3
toxic elbow
I saw amid evil and Dusk on IGNs videos... on comment section
a lot of kids are asking if this coming to the PS4 lol
cobalt zodiac
its coming to xbox one but you can only use a mouse and keyboard. if you make a controller input the game crashes
toxic elbow
I mean it might, if Dusk will become official
spare robin
Console release when
reef fossil
Dusk runs fine on my low end labtop
delicate sail
Same here
halcyon jetty
Guess I'll get Dusk now.
halcyon jungle
Thank you for finally releasing this game on GOG. It's great. I'm having fun with it.
crimson folio
Oh wow you can cheap the duskmare achievement by changing it to duskmare at the exit.
paper oyster
Can we get a "Continuous bad-ass music" option? Like, ambient music is fine and all, but i want 100% ADRENALINE PUMPING ALL THE TIME 
little raptor
does this look like doom '16 to you
delicate sail
You could also just play the OST in the background and mute the music in game
crimson folio
Will the NG+ come after the SDK?
jagged ferry
That would ruin the atmosphere
well why not let him ruin his atmosphere if he wants to
he did say option after all
paper oyster
Dusk is a game about killing shit. Atmosphere isnt that important 
little raptor
you gotta admit it wouldn't quite be the same without the atmosphere
paper oyster
I do admit it, and i love it. But i love the badass music even more 🤷
Ok if the option isnt pleasing everyone, how about it being exclusive to endless? It starts off with the endless track, then cycles through all the blood pumping tracks 
little raptor
I mean
paper oyster
Although, i guess you could just make a playlist for it
little raptor
I always think it'd be nice if games let you choose which tracks you'd like to play and when
maybe as a bonus after beating the game?
paper oyster
Exactly! Speedrunning it isnt as exciting when ambient music plays
Hopefully NG+ does this
queen coral
Dusk is a game about killing shit. Atmosphere isnt that important
hard disagree here
presentation is very important, set pieces, music, atmosphere, game feel, etc.
the action can be good without it, sure, but proper direction does a world of difference
paper oyster
I wasnt serious
queen coral
🤷
idk lotta peeps think videogames are all about being the fastest more accurate motherfucker out there
little raptor
still waitin' on that "right / left side" weapon position option
paper oyster
David's Dear Direct Darker Doom game. Don't Dare Deny it, Dorks.
crimson folio
Dusk
crimson folio
Apparently, I can't start Dusk, so I reinstalled it. Will try again later.
crimson folio
This is what comes up every time. (Clean installs don't work)
crimson folio
is it just me or is dusk running way worse after the update? it didnt lag before the update and no settings were changed
viral gate
Haven't played in a while so I cannot say for certain, tried anything else to see if they're running slower?
mild ginkgo
Given that there was nothing in dusk that changed really,yeah it's likely something else
vast tangle
It runs fine for me, I just tried it
mild ginkgo
What happens when you launch it
crimson folio
I did post an image here last night.
A brief loading message with the sickles and a red exclamation mark..
crimson folio
that should be the unity crash handler
Ok, because that keeps appearing and it prevents me from starting Dusk.
crimson folio
Just realized it's caused by Citrix Workspace. This is what my dad uses, so I'm thinking twice before uninstalling that and reinstalling.
woeful sonnet
So why did it take you guys so long to get the game on gog? Are they just that much of a pain to deal with?
crimson folio
Probably
woeful sonnet
Just wondering because I'm hoping to get my game on gog as well.
vague egret
duskworld was totally dependent on steamworks. DW needed a complete overhaul to work with GOG
graceful wing
Yea if you don’t use the steam works api for mp features then it should be fairly straight forward to release on both platforms
woeful sonnet
Well, my game doesn't, or I should say isn't going to have multiplayer, for me it would just make more sense to pour all resources into making more singleplayer content as indie games typically have a hard time keeping any kind of multiplayer community going outside of publicaly announced events (like discord or something 🤔 ) and I'm much more passionate about singleplayer anyways so.
royal herald
I feel the same way but I'm going to put multiplayer in anyways because I somewhat designed a lot of the weapons around being balanced for it as well
I put a lot of thought into whether or not my game would be multi or single, and I think the common conclusion is singleplayer first multiplayer second.
crimson folio
duskworld is just a hack
woeful sonnet
Duskworld is dead except for on frag nights
ruby swift
Is there a way to spawn a crystal of madness at any map?
crimson folio
||Yeah just instantiate the prefab||
ruby swift
How?
crimson folio
no u
royal herald
@awese\
freakin enter button
@woeful sonnet duskworld isn't dead
you just have to ping people
@ruby swift you can't. I'd elaborate but then I'd ruin his joke
ruby swift
oh, ok.
woeful sonnet
@royal herald You won't find people just regularly playing online regularly is what I'm saying.
Like if you're not on this discord and are looking for a match outside of frag night, good luck.
olive cloud
crimson folio
me every time I join duskworld
lean wolf
me_irl
woeful sonnet
I'm not saying its bad, nor that you can't get a game going, but its just not what most people would consider a very populated healthy multiplayer game.
and thats not dusks fault either, thats the case for every arena shooter nowadays sadly.
halcyon jungle
Does nobody play DUSK's multiplayer? It seems like it would be fun in MP.
woeful sonnet
On frag nights they do
but those are more or less organized events dedicated to keeping the multiplayer somewhat kicking
halcyon jungle
And all this time was spent making sure the GOG and Steam versions work together in multiplayer for multiplayer that not many people play.
crimson folio
Due to the small size of the community Dusk does not have super frequent multiplayer
woeful sonnet
P much
crimson folio
Don’t expect it to have hundreds of users online at once
halcyon jungle
I thought DUSK was this super popular indie game that sold like a hundred thousand copies or something.
woeful sonnet
Unless you sell millions of copies its hard to have a very populated multiplayer scene
crimson folio
^^^
halcyon jungle
Or was that ten thousand?
woeful sonnet
70 thousand or something like that
halcyon jungle
That's still really good
woeful sonnet
in that range was the first 2 months
crimson folio
It got high ratings but a small dedicated player base
halcyon jungle
For something made by two or three guys, that's great.
crimson folio
Reviewers loved it
jagged ferry
it has over 69,420 copies sold
crimson folio
Fact^^^
woeful sonnet
to date?
jagged ferry
what do you think
crimson folio
It’s sold more since that number was recorded tho
woeful sonnet
I guess Idk, I remember dave said it was somewhere in that range again 2 months after launch
Its Pretty good for an indie game but not enough to keep multiplayer afloat long after launch
halcyon jungle
It's always nice when a game made by a small team does well. Especially because they won't be calling 4 million copies a disappointment.
jagged ferry
@crimson folio hence the "over"
crimson folio
Also the indie market is incredibly overstaturated with shovelware
halcyon jungle
Well this is a game that was made with love. I can feel it.
little raptor
Roxy's Dog Food
crimson folio
🍺
little raptor
You cannot tell me that dave did not use some of the funds for the game to get food for Roxy
woeful sonnet
I mean I can, but it being true is another thing entirely.
royal herald
pretty sure dusk has sold over 100K
@halcyon jungle see second most recent pinned message
that 69420 estimate was within 1 month of launch
woeful sonnet
Nothing, I just don't know
little raptor
"I think I may have memed too hard guys" -Dave "A dude with money" Oshry
crimson folio
There is also not a whole lot oh MP content for DW
halcyon jungle
There's an SDK coming, right?
crimson folio
Correct
woeful sonnet
About the same time half life 3 releases yes
royal herald
according to steamspy dusk has somewhere between 200K and 500K sales, idk if that figure is accurate though
halcyon jungle
Wow, that's good.
crimson folio
The devs have been working hard on it
halcyon jungle
Those are sales that the AAA industry used to find acceptable until Call of Duty became a thing.
Like, if DUSK were a PS1 or PS2 game, it would be eligble for a "Greatest Hits" re-release
lean wolf
is dusk on gog connect yet 👀
jade root
One day
halcyon jungle
Is Gog Connect even still a thing?
jade root
Ye
halcyon jungle
I remember GOG doing this "reclaim your game" thing at least four years back, where you could put in the CD key of a retail copy of STALKER and get a DRM-free copy. I don't think they've actually added any games to that since.
jade root
They prolly have
Gog isn’t scummy like that
If it were up to any of us, gog would be the leading storefront
They are very nice to work with
halcyon jungle
Oh I don't think they stopped doing it to be mean, I'm just guessing they couldn't find any more games to support.
jade root
They all good bois
thorn trout
according to steamspy dusk has somewhere between 200K and 500K sales, idk if that figure is accurate though Steamspy is estimating rather high
crimson folio
Plot twist there is no dusk
jagged ferry
eleventeen is a nonexistent number and is therefore simultaneously the smallest and largest number possible
which means dusk is both the best and worst selling game of all time
solid lynx
not missing any soap just revisited each level and picked up the soap and still dit not get the achievment
RIP
jade root
When it’s done
little raptor
Silly Dainty Kock
opal oyster
Done as in "Dinners done" or "gonna be another 30 mins" done
little raptor
didn't randy pitchford say the same about DNF
jade root
Probably
little raptor
I'm scared now
jade root
I mean
You try rewriting an entire game to make it mod compatible
Lemme know how long it takes you
opal oyster
Hey man, It's a thing O
jade root
These things take time
opal oyster
I've been doing for 6 momths
I know and understand. I appreciate the work you guys are putting in
little raptor
surely not 14 years
opal oyster
I have like 40 models I've made since the SDK was announced, and I'm just dying to put them in
opal oyster
I have just enough time to wait for the SDK and then after I release my model pack, I'm prolly gonna be checking out
jade root
Rip
little raptor
F
opal oyster
It's worth the pain and wait though. It'll be my monumental achievement besides being a dad
little raptor
are you actually a dad?
opal oyster
The bestest Dad in the world
little raptor
how are you so sure
little raptor
adorable!
opal oyster
He watched me play RL and certain games, but it's hard teaching a 5 year old about killing cultists and murdering people
little raptor
Fair enough
opal oyster
He's watched me play DUSK a lot
but I try not to be violent, I just run around and avoid shooting
little raptor
flower blood for dusk when
royal herald
when I was a wee lad I watched my dad play the quake series
opal oyster
^^^'
I remember when my dad came home with Quake and Unreal
I wish I still had the box
royal herald
I have my old cds still
opal oyster
NOICE
opal oyster
Oh yeah, unreal 2 is my least favorite, but UT2004 is my all time favorite
little raptor
I loved UT2004!
opal oyster
I remember my dad buying a new computer just to play it, UT2004 and Doom 3
little raptor
Only played Singleplayer mode sadly but hey, it was still a lot of fun!
opal oyster
I remember doom 3 being the benchmark for computers at circuit city and best buy
opal oyster
Dat quake 3 cd
little raptor
is that a YAAAARGH'd copy
opal oyster
That screams early 2000s
little raptor
oh
opal oyster
No in a good way
little raptor
no I thought it was a YAAAARGH'd copy
'cus in argentina every store sells games this way
in these 500mb disks
opal oyster
WUT
little raptor
yeah they're usually cracked copies, illegal
royal herald
my dad was 100% a pirate
opal oyster
I wish NB would make a cool USB style physical copy of DUSK
Kinda like romero did for his doom mod
Or a floppy disk
Limited edition Floppy Dusk Disk
little raptor
OG retail shops stop selling old games quickly around here as far as I am concerned
jade root
We have plans for a physical edition
crude forge
ok but when is the steam version getting an exclusive level
jade root
Idk how far along that is
little raptor
so I never found any original copy for old games
jade root
And nothing is stopping you from grabbing the level from the gog version and renaming it to one of the endless levels for the steam version @crude forge
crude forge
except money
jade root
Gog connect baby
crude forge
wot\
little raptor
GOGCONNEEEEEEECT-AAAAH!
graceful wing
The gogatorium will be available on the workshop when the sdk lands
jade root
That too
graceful wing
Just wait a little bit or buy the gog version
Or as jab said “acquire” the map files
graceful wing
Depends
untold vale
Depends of it's worthy.
opal oyster
Do you have any plans to do Epic Games exclusive deals? and if they ever offered you to do it. Would you?
graceful wing
No and no
jade root
^
graceful wing
If egs contacts us about being on their store, sure why not
But exclusivity deals won’t happen
jade root
I mean our games might be on the epic store at some point because more stores = more coverage
opal oyster
For sure, nothing wrong with that
graceful wing
No u
jagged ferry
tl;dr
exclusivity deals:
new blood:
jade root
graceful wing
🐇
jade root
jade root
Maybe™
crude forge
so, what was that about gog connect?
opal oyster
Or is it "up for discussion" kinda
graceful wing
New levels, not exactly
opal oyster
ohhh
crude forge
yeah that might be a problem
graceful wing
But there’s co-op and new game + on the way
opal oyster
WUT
untold vale
Oh, I didn't know about a NG+!
opal oyster
Bruv
jagged ferry
can you guys say anything about ng+ yet or nah
jade root
Nah
jagged ferry
f
opal oyster
Can you play NG+ WITH co-op?
graceful wing
NG+ will introduce some new mechanics and other twists I can’t talk about yet
crude forge
hear me out
jagged ferry
ok well i already knew that
drowsy oriole
hmm
graceful wing
Imma go ahead and say probably
crude forge
Postal 2's "Enhanced Game" mode, in dusk
graceful wing
Too early to give a definite answer
crude forge
that's my estimate
jade root
No reason it wouldn’t be possible with the sdk
opal oyster
What about SDK co-op?
jagged ferry
so
opal oyster
two people working in the SDK on the same project?
crude forge
cant wait till ng+ gives us a shotgun with an incendiary alt-fire like in paradise lost
jagged ferry
so for ng+ coop even if it isn't a thing officially it should be possible to mod that into being a thing?
opal oyster
Yeah 500_pts told me some interesting things about it
jagged ferry
basically?
jade root
I mean probably
jagged ferry
i can't really think of a reason it wouldn't be possible either
but i mean i've never made a mod, so.
jade root
From what I’ve seen it’s pretty flexible
jagged ferry
well i mean i've never really made a mod, that is
opal oyster
500 and I had a extreamly engaging convo about the SDK back in June, and from what I was told, the SDK is going to be something special
crude forge
the AR will have an alt fire that shoots ricocheting scissors
jagged ferry
i did do some basic bitch file fuckery in unturned and basically started the earliest form of gun mods in it because i was bored
but i mean other then that
and by the way that's a lot less impressive then it sounds
crude forge
cigar will now become a flamethrower
untold vale
Man, I really hope the SDK catches on with folks. I'd love to see some top tier quality maps akin to Doom and Quake.
opal oyster
Well I had brought up an intresting problem about the SDK, and what it was capable of, and idk if he ever brought it up to you guys or the devs, but it was something NB hadn't looked to much into
jagged ferry
and that problem was...?
opal oyster
The potential of the SDK and what it can really do
crude forge
oh shit i didnt think of that
opal oyster
I dont want to get into the details, because it's not my place, but from what I was told, the SDK was almost borderline an Engine inside of Unity
Like a game engine inside a game engine
crude forge
hopefully the sdk will default to simple presets like "Level mod", "Graphics/reskin mod", "Gameplay mod"
untold vale
An engine within an engine...?
crude forge
and an "all of the above"
jagged ferry
yo dog i heard you like game engines
jade root
Yeah it’s essentially mod tools for unity
crude forge
ive used unity mod tools before
jade root
It’s kinda wild what Zombie has done
crude forge
specifically, BallisticNG
opal oyster
Not only that, but you could potentially create an entirely new game with SDK that has nothing to do with DUSK
jade root
Ye
cursive tartan
what
untold vale
Kinda like Doom total conversions?
jade root
Ye
untold vale
Holy CRAP that's huge!
opal oyster
Well thats where the problems came up
and the Potential of the SDK and what it can REALLY do
crude forge
cant wait till people fully convert entire games into dusk
jagged ferry
all i'm hearing is hideous duskstructor is entirely possible
crude forge
copyright time
jagged ferry
and i don't know how i feel about that.
cursive tartan
play dusk inside of dusk
jagged ferry
i mean
crude forge
when are we getting a dusk mod where you can watch the entirety of bee movie in it
like we had with doom
untold vale
Wait, that's a thing...?
jagged ferry
i'm fairly sure if you tried to pull some copyright infringement in your mod then the copyright holders would come after you and not david
so
opal oyster
I think I've said to much lol
crude forge
theres a doom wad where the entirety of bee movie is playing on a textured tv, and it has audio
crude forge
hang on lemme find it
untold vale
FOR GOD'S SAKE.
cursive tartan
wait zombie was the person who made the wad that played doom inside of doom
jagged ferry
i have heard of it and now i must have its existence thoroughly proven.
cursive tartan
jade root
Yeah that’s him
cursive tartan
i didnt know that
jagged ferry
20 bucks says that's what got him hired to work on the dusk sdk
untold vale
Doom in Doom! I remember seeing this!
crude forge
oh god please tell me nobody took it down
jagged ferry
i mean hell, i'd hire someone with those credentials.
crude forge
im having trouble finding it
opal oyster
That doom inside of doom reminds me of people making computers and game systems in minecraft
with redstone
Absolutely redic
jade root
I can’t believe the sentient ai that killed humanity is a red stone contraption
lean wolf
I love this stuff lmao
crude forge
guys
i cant find it anywhere
oh god i think its still on my toshiba's hard drive
it better be
cant believe im digging out that piece of shit for a meme
crude forge
im dedicated to this
jagged ferry
i respect that
crude forge
i dont care if it got taken down for copyright reasons, im gonna fucking do this
i'll put it on my google drive if i have to
just so i can keep my grasp on it when my toshiba goes completely dead
AH GOD THIS RESOLUTION IS GONNA MAKE ME PUKE
i forgot how much of a difference there was between 1080p and 900p
jagged ferry
nice
solid lynx
thanks! achievment and soap achievment do not work on mac apparently as ive made sure ive picked up every soap by revisiting the levels then using cheats to get to them faster, and the thanks achievment did not give after multiple tries of waiting for credits
other than that i have all of them
yeah i know mac blah blah but just letting u know
retried even after the update yesterday
didnt work
opal oyster
Bro I have a copy of Minecraft and Noita on google drive
crude forge
I FOUND IT
opal oyster
and it still isnt taken down
jade root
Noita is stupid good
crude forge
ITS 2.57 GB LARGE
jagged ferry
oh
crude forge
I DOWNLOADED IT IN APRIL
jagged ferry
jesus
crude forge
yessssssssssssssssss
im gonna be the maddest lad ever
the ironic thing about all this?
i'm freaking out about a bee movie doom wad
yet i have apiphobia
jagged ferry
i'm assuming that's a fear of bees
jagged ferry
i'm not sure you can classify fearing bees as a phobia
i mean i think it's perfectly rational
crude forge
well
opal oyster
@jade root Noita is stupid hard
crude forge
i also have an allergy to them
jade root
Nani
crude forge
noita is cool btw
opal oyster
Everytime I find a fucking wand that is wacky, I die within 2 mins
opal oyster
Let me rephrase that, it's hard to experiment and test things out without losing it all
everytime I try to do something with a crazy wand or fuck around, I get to comfy and die
jade root
I got a stupid good run where there was 5 health ups in the mines
opal oyster
wut
jade root
Ye
opal oyster
Jesus
opal oyster
How fast did you clear it?
jade root
Idk
opal oyster
or did you just coast and and enjoy the ride
opal oyster
I do, depends on the game
jade root
Not anymore
opal oyster
Maximum action and dusk, RoR2
jade root
VVVVVV was my speed game
crude forge
graceful wing
The vast majority of games have a shit storyline and it ain’t worth my time
jade root
Story: Hold SHOOT to skip the story
graceful wing
Idk what that story even is
You’re a guy and you point at enemies and click to kill them
That’s all I need to know
opal oyster
Doomguy fucking up Hell and its demons so hard for so long, going from dimension to dimension and killing demons and hell forever. they trap him ina tomb, he gets out, and he super pissed
thats bout it
DUSK has a pretty decent story tbh
it'
it's vague, yet simple. Almost cliche, but doesn't try to hard
Gameplay > Story
jade root
jade root
I wish
opal oyster
I wish DUSK had more characters that werent enemies
like some NPCs that are just kinda there and set the tone for the episodes
jagged ferry
i don't really see a context in dusk where that'd make any sense though
unless they were dead
opal oyster
I think having NPCs that are more of aesthetic for the game would create context
kinda like Dark souls
Keep it vague and mysterious, raises some questions, but keeps it open for interpretation for the player to anwser
jagged ferry
no but i mean like think about any level in dusk
and then try to put a non-hostile npc in it
little raptor
No time to ask questions, must shoot first!
jagged ferry
like what
most of episode 3 and half the other levels would be straight up "how the fuck did you get here"
and pretty much every other level would be "how the fuck are you still alive"
opal oyster
That's exactly what would make it interesting and create context
That's the "raising some questions" and leaves it open for interpretation
jagged ferry
no, it'd make it incredibly confusing
opal oyster
How
jagged ferry
because it'd make 0 sense
opal oyster
How did DUSK dude end up in those places?
jagged ferry
nobody else is dusk dude
opal oyster
How would you know
jagged ferry
is that a joke
opal oyster
IF there was non-hostile npcs
jagged ferry
because you compared them to dark souls npcs
opal oyster
Compared an idea?
opal oyster
Yet, they end up in the most craziest places
jagged ferry
ok but that's dark souls
dusk is "everything is batshit insane but people are still people"
if non-hostile npcs don't even fight the hostile npcs then it's like
what
and if they did fight the hostile npcs then
well
idk
if that'd fit in with dusk
but i guess it'd make...more sense then
opal oyster
So the idea of a non-hostile NPC being in the absolute WORST part of the DUSK world with no idea how or why, wouldn't be batshit insane?
jagged ferry
what are you even asking
opal oyster
"dusk is "everything is batshit insane"
jagged ferry
"but people are still people"
opal oyster
Who said anything about the NPCS being people?
jagged ferry
what
opal oyster
Yeah
opal oyster
Idk? Theres a scarecrow with a fucking shotgun trying to kill you in every level
jagged ferry
actually shooting off aliens ig non-hostile easter egg npcs could've worked
because
easter eggs
opal oyster
I didnt say you did
opaque spindle
ok lemme just say this
opal oyster
ANother Assumption
jagged ferry
THEN
opaque spindle
Dusk is an homage to quake and blood and all that jazz
jagged ferry
HOW IS IT AN ASSUMPTION
opaque spindle
Having netural npcs makes no sense
jagged ferry
^
opaque spindle
Because its trying to be a retro shooter
it would ruin the flow of the levels and crap to have an npc to talk to
opal oyster
Bro, you are VERY subjective about this topic
jagged ferry
ok 1. who and 2. how
opal oyster
How was that?
jagged ferry
and 3. how is saying "ok well maybe easter egg npcs could've worked" assuming...anything in this context
opal oyster
Because you're the one cherry picking the idea of non-hostile NPCs with subjective conjecture which has led to some acrimony about the whole subject
jagged ferry
"subjective conjecture"? what do you mean? how?
also you can't tell me that "acrimony" WASN'T flexing
little raptor
what the fuck were those big words
what the hell does "acrimony" mean are we really talking dem big words over dusk
jagged ferry
the acrimony comment was a joke but if you're actually asking what it means then apparently it's "Bitter, sharp animosity, especially as exhibited in speech or behavior"
little raptor
i'm going to acrimony ur butthole with a 
jagged ferry
...that...works far better then it should
opal oyster
I hope you understand: or in your gaffe: equivocate the reciprocal misunderstanding of this Jargon, That is nothing more then ones prodigality for ostentation"
jagged ferry
i was gonna make a dad__ joke but no i can't do it
opal oyster
You don't need too because Im the joke
jagged ferry
2meirl4meirl
opal oyster
Why blame the clown for being the clown, when you keep going to the circus?
little raptor
I always thought my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy
jagged ferry
because i'm not at the circus, i'm trying to fix this gas leak
little raptor
-Some society man
opal oyster
Lay off the dairy
jagged ferry
wrong kind of gas
opal oyster
What kind of gas leak?
jagged ferry
jagged ferry
wait no that's a method of psychological abuse
opal oyster
How old is everyone?
jagged ferry
jagged ferry
well now we know you're 14
which means i'
m 16 for assuming that
but if i assumed that it makes me--
opaque spindle
🤔
opal oyster
I thought DUSK was rated M?
little raptor
yes, for Manly
opal oyster
Don't you have to me 17 to buy the game?
jagged ferry
no it's rated not out
opaque spindle
Dad seriously chill bro lol
jagged ferry
didn't anyone tell you
little raptor
rated M for Maximum Action
opaque spindle
just because people disagree with you don't mean they're 12
jagged ferry
wait wrong game
jagged ferry
ok but
opal oyster
No hard feelings @jagged ferry
jagged ferry
1 dusk shotgun < half life shotgun < 2 dusk shotguns < fear shotgun < dusk super shotgun
opal oyster
❤
jagged ferry
oh nice the thumbs up was at the top this time
lean wolf
Fear shotgun was the shit
opal oyster
WUT
lean wolf
Fear combat was awesome
little raptor
dusk super shotgun < Quake 2 / DOOM II Super shotgun
I'll be honest with ya
I did not quite like Dusk's super shotgun
it's good but
jagged ferry
🔫
opal oyster
I was talking to this dude who figured out how to mod guns into FEAR
It is a HUGE process
jagged ferry
i mean
little raptor
I know what you'll say
jagged ferry
isn't that all super shotguns
little raptor
thing is Super Shotguns are usually the best Melee weapons in the game
in dusk it's just
good
jagged ferry
...so you don't like it because of the sword
ruby swift
Super Shotgun is great
little raptor
I don't like the sword too much
ruby swift
But for me, the Double Shotguns are the trademark of Dusk.
little raptor
neat and all but I'm not good enough to keep all the bonuses active
jagged ferry
i never use the lever actions much after i get the super shotty tbh
except against like the goats
lean wolf
The crossbow is imo most iconic in Dusk, goes through walls n shit
jagged ferry
and sometimes rats
little raptor
I just have this issue with the SSG in Dusk
which I find it pretty inaccurate even at close range
'cus sometimes I see pellets hit the ground
and I'm like
W h a t
But that is only in SP though, of course it's beastly in MP
little raptor
I'll check it out more often
maybe I was just seeing things
Well, I checked it out
even for a videogame SSG its shots spread a lot, but not as much as I thought
woeful sonnet
One thing that bugs me about all of dusks weapons, so I wanted to turn the volume up right so I could get with the emersion and such, really appreciate that ambience, but when I did that, I couldn't help but notice everyrtime i fired a gun the sounds are so obnoxiously clicky and poppy they dig into my eardrum, its like they're clipping or something sounds kind nasty.
little raptor
they kinda do sound as if they're breaking apart internally with all the clanking noises
woeful sonnet
It really bugs me because its like i wanna play with my volume up, but if I do that I have to deal with what sounds like a balloon being popped next to my ear every 5 seconds.
My composer shares this sentiment, though it bugs him way more than it does me.
little raptor
he's a composer so I guess that's understandable lel
woeful sonnet
Yeah, he's complained about the sounds in both dusk and ion fury now.
little raptor
Something tells me all weapon sounds were recorded in Dave's bathroom.
woeful sonnet
Shelly's voice lines clip frequently and the cultists in dusks do as well
He's said he refuses to finish playing dusk because of it and the weapon sounds which is uh... a bit harsh but being that he's a sound guy I can kind of understand.
little raptor
you mean their constant quoting creates noise pollution or "clip" as in sometimes they stop mid-sentence while triggering another one?
woeful sonnet
lots of popping and peaking.
Says the cultist sound like the actor was consuming his mic.
little raptor
That's weird
I always thought the cultist's voice lines were pretty low, and I think there are more annoying, louder voice clips
like the goats' growls and scarecrows' screams
woeful sonnet
Its not that they're loud.
Its just the resulting way the sound is impacted when you do that
woeful sonnet
Yeah, is a good game
I've learned my composer is incredibly nitpicky
not just with sound
I mean thats not a bad thing, if anything its a very useful thing to have on hand.
little raptor
I'd say, but it's a tiny bit sad it comes to the cost of not enjoying something, I guess?
woeful sonnet
Agreed, Still I don't know if our project would be in the same place now if we didn't have him on hand.