I mean, come on. He's FPS royalty.
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
sleek cape
dapper spire
either this or Prodeus I want to see Romero play
actually
someone tweet Romero or something to make him play Dusk
sleek cape
Okay, I just got to the room at the end of the underground prison hall in E2M2, and what the fuck was that thing?!
dapper spire
oh yeah the Wendigos
they’re pretty spooky
just get used to them because they’re going to be in almost every level from now on
dapper spire
wrong channel lmao
final estuary
f
sleek cape
@dapper spire Something funny happened. Two of the flamethrower dudes fought each other for my amusement.
dapper spire
epic
final estuary
in the server?
sleek cape
No, in single player.
sleek cape
E2M2.
I'm on E2M3 now, picking off targets with the hunting rifle. There's a whole lot of BANG!, "teehee!" one-shot kills, even flamethrower dudes.
dapper spire
hunting rifle is the best for the welders
sleek cape
Take 'em out back of the shed and put 'em down like Old Yeller.
smoky sigil
Use normal shotguns for the soldiers also
sleek cape
Yup.
dapper spire
I used Super Shotty and Assault Rifle for most of the game
sleek cape
I loved the first shotgun pickup, with the little subtitle: "GROOVY" 😂
dapper spire
nice little call back to Evil Dead
smoky sigil
Side-note, I found out why my computer gets so hot when I play DUSK; my CPU is fine, but the GPU gets maxed out
final estuary
well it is using unity
dapper spire
true
smoky sigil
Is Unity bad for optimization?
smoky sigil
Ah
Unfortunately it's an iGPU in the laptop, so I can't really upgrade
Should also note that this is with Low Spec mode on, with some effects turned off as well
sleek cape
I just found one of the red-glowing greater cultists, and popped him from afar with the handguns. It was like one of those carnival shooting galleries where a target moves side to side, and changes direction every time you hit it 😂
dapper spire
can’t wait for the second one to come out
junior tundra
isnt dusk coming to switch soon?
junior tundra
oh cool
dapper spire
then sometime later in the future, we’re gonna get NG+ and Co-Op
junior tundra
the post release roadmap has been on my bookmarks for awhile
oh yeah
i cant wait for coop
dapper spire
Experience the horror with your friends!
tawdry cloak
It's gonna be so good
dapper spire
sucks that most of my friends aren’t interested in Dusk
smoky sigil
I wonder what NG+ would be like
You can already start the first episode with all weapons with loadout, and other than that there's really nothing in terms of permanent upgrades that could be carried over
Unless ||you're playing as the Dusk Dude powered up by Nyarlothotep||
smoky sigil
Yeah, I mentioned the loadout screen
royal herald
I misread it, my bad
plain cape
Maybe new or random enemy placements, harder enemy type spawns for the begining, powerups...
crimson folio
Custom coop maps are gonna be lit when workshop arrives for Dusk
slow harness
lit
slow harness
@mild ginkgo why doesn't it show the languages in the game's menu?
looks like dusk handles "special" characters well (editing the _Default)
we're lucky: it handles all of the "special" characters well
prisma halo
The language dropdown might be hardcoded (I don't actually know, that's just what I'm assuming)
slow harness
it handles it well
i'm proud
hope you guys'll do ukrainian and russian next 😀
pls
lean wolf
has dusk been translated into finnish yet
chilly holly
Shillboi more like CHILL BOI
crimson folio
I wonder if it'd be possible to mimic nazi zombies from WaW in Dusk once coop comes out
crimson folio
I just meant that kinda game mode. Being stuck in the room, repairing windows, surviving waves etc
I'm still busy trying to figure out how to get Dusk's assets into Trenchbroom and shit on Linux though.
crimson folio
i would love a more segmented survival mode. Kinda like Zombie escape in CSS of all things.
Oh god, zombie escape servers in Dusk would be amazing
I'd pay to run one
prisma halo
horror escape*
crimson folio
so many things I wanna make and yet I'm still learning how to mod ;-;
figured out Trenchbroom pretty easily at least though, what a great program
viral gate
It sure is
crimson folio
The only tutorial I found on it is 10/10, this guy explains absolutely everything.
prisma halo
dumptruck's tutorials, I assume
crimson folio
yessir
acoustic lodge
I am absolutely loving episode 2 rn, my favorite level so far is Erebus Reactor, primarily for the enormous size of the level, but also for Big John
graceful wing
👍
simple pilot
||the reveal alongside the music was the strong point tho||
graceful wing
english discussion only, please
simple pilot
rules
graceful wing
dusk's native font just doesn't have those characters. they'll need to be added manually or another font needs to be used
slate cairn
yea
slow olive
is the hard difficulty name still spanish
crimson folio
Inb4 it's just "zero phear"
simple pilot
inb4 polish language in comic sans
acoustic lodge
inb4 lines from the bee movie script for every word
slate cairn
replace all texts with "bruh"
acoustic lodge
Bruh but in comic sans with the most eye-bleeding pink color available
crimson folio
I want a mod that makes Dusk into the Bee Movie script
lusty fable
Does anyone have dusk trading cards in exchange for tf2 ref
plain escarp
Oh wait uh
What cards do you need
I think I got some
@lusty fable I only have Experiments
tiny wigeon
@gleaming berry Has already seen this, but figured others here would appreciate it. @thorn trout
My drawing of the Dusk Dude.
crimson folio
Does anyone know when DUSK is coming to GOG?
lusty fable
@plain escarp thanks but I already got the first badge
grand zodiac
untold vale
@tiny wigeon, you should share that in the Artist's Attic!
They'd love that DUSKDude piece!
pastel hemlock
When is Dusk coming out for Nintendo Switch?
heady furnace
@tiny wigeon that drawing is great. Is that your interpretation or is it legit what the dude looks like?
mild ginkgo
whtats the problem
little shuttle
he didn't had it before maybe it's an update
crimson folio
found a Dusk bug
mild ginkgo
he should verify his game files then
little shuttle
i told him that
mild ginkgo
what is it @crimson folio
mild ginkgo
tell him to try turning off cloud sync, then reinstalling it again
little shuttle
thank you!
crimson folio
whenever you manually save, this "old save" image appears
https://imgur.com/a/qFe1xnu
mild ginkgo
yeah, we'll probably fix it soon, but it doesnt effect your save
mild ginkgo
hey awesome, glad to hear it man
crimson folio
Just got to Episode 2. How did I lose all my weapons ;-; what is the LORE behind it
mild ginkgo
idk you dropped them
unborn lance
On Endless, the Bolts don't have a specific pickup string, it's just "PICKUP_BOLTS_10"
mild ginkgo
yep, we got that report yesterday, will be patched probably tonight or tomorrow
crimson folio
Maybe I took a European car to the factories and couldn't fit all my shit in it
sleek cape
I had to stop at the start of E2M8 last night, as it was sunrise outside (happens REALLY early in the Summer).
For just a little over half the game done, Steam has 9 hours of playtime logged.
polar fern
sleek cape
Is Dusk gonna be a standalone game, or will there be a proper sequel?
opaque spindle
If there is a sequel (not confirming there will be) it won't happen for a long time
sleek cape
Ah. New IP's coming after Maximum Action and Amid Evil?
opaque spindle
That I do not know all that I know is that David wants to take a break from developing retro shooters for awhile after spending like 3 years on dusk
Dusk was his baby for 3 years so he wants to do stuff thats not dusk
sleek cape
Yup. I think it's John who's working on MA.
Along with BalloonMoose, of course.
I just love how New Blood carries on the golden age of shooters and does them so much justice, as well as evolving what was already great and jettisoning the bad/useless parts.
id Software reborn, full-stop.
tiny wigeon
@untold vale I would, but, no permission to post there. So... just posted it here.
untold vale
Honestly, I'm happy with David taking a break from DUSK. Once we get the level editor and the Switch port, we'll have all the DUSK we need.
sleek cape
GOG version too :3
sleek cape
Didn't the Doom level editor take about the same amount of time to come out back in the 90's?
sleek cape
I'd like to see a magnum revolver modded in.
untold vale
...Crap I underestimated it.
jagged ferry
Get Dusked
untold vale
I forgot it's a full on SDK.
sleek cape
Similar to what Valve did with the Source SDK?
sleek cape
That's cute.
crimson folio
lmao nice
untold vale
I completely forgot about the potential DAWN can have.
crimson folio
it'll be the first SDK i ever fucked with so hopefully i can do something with it
sleek cape
Those dudes in labcoats who let out an evil chuckle when they find/detect you and only have a melee attack... are they inspired by Half-Life enemies?
crimson folio
Wait so the SDK for Dusk comes with it's own level editor, so does that mean I don't have to bother with Trenchbroom, or can I pick whichever one I wanna use?
smoky sigil
So wait
I saw somewhere that Dawn was basically an engine all of its own
Could this technically mean you could a completely unrelated game in it?
opaque spindle
no it does not come with a level editor
Trenchbroom is the current supported level editor
crimson folio
ah ok, someone mentioned a level editor on the way so I was like wait what
Got confused, my bad
vague egret
There's some misconception of what SDK means. It's not a level editor. Trenchbroom will always fill that role. Dawn SDK is the thing that allows you to mod dusk
crimson folio
Like with C# and such?
releasing the doom editor back in the day was easier because it was literally what id used to make them levels
they had to make their own tools
simple pilot
wait you can put dusk entities in trenchbroom?
crimson folio
and how does it convert from BSP to meshes?
next path
curren trenchbroom can Export the map as .obj
crimson folio
well you would have to export much more than .obj and .mat files for that
idk if it has info on stuff like lights, lightmaps, skyboxes, plus the actual textures
simple pilot
i thought trenchbroom is like "hey use it inb4 we release dawn"
next path
yeah im new to that Topic. only heard About hammerUE and some Workflows to get stuff over. there is plenty of info getting counter strike Maps to whatever engine is favoured. and i think trench can Setup Valve mode for maps
crimson folio
it was expected to support valve maps
so far you can use it for quakes and daikatana
oh and hexen i think
next path
yeah not sure i have Option to use Valve map style when i create a quake 1 map but havent checked it out yet im only intersted in the geo
there is some Workarounds around i think but it would be cool if it´s kinda comfy in the end 😉
slate cairn
i will remake heretic e1m1 in dusk
crimson folio
its a difference in how textures are laid out
You should be fine picking valve mode
idk exactly but hl1 had more advanced features
dumptruck said just pick standard but idk maybe valve is fine
with standard you can do everything modern quake ports support
colored lights, custom skyboxes, transparency...
think he mentions valve texture mode in his "Advanced Curves Part 1" video
next path
"trenchbroom is awesome" yeah man itc so ace… im just coming from ue4 bsp editing xo
toxic elbow
@crimson folio nice DOOM-GRANDGUY profile
crimson folio
thanks
slow harness
(i don't want to ping you all)
so, is it confirmed that the dude who worked on hdoom will work on hdusk?
opaque spindle
lol no he's busy with other stuff though he might end up making a hud mod
smoky sigil
I'm very concerned over what Horrors would look like in hdusk
vast tangle
No. Just no.
slow harness
this color combination reminds me of the nightmare i had when i was 6 or 7 (which i wasn't afraid of), where i just casually went home while killing zombies with a knife. The picture (or rather, the color of it) looked something like this: dark and saturated red.
lofty bone
reminds of a death metal video clip
crimson folio
So, anyone play through the whole games using wacky colors or super pixels yet?
I actually like playing with a little pixelation.
thin sphinx
i like the retro color pallete+3 0r 4 on pixelization sometimes manually swapping colors can make certain areas feel more "extreme" i forget what i had but it made the e3m2 area feel really hot and dangerous then used the cold pallete above ground to make it feel frigid
jolly hatch
so, where do I go to get to E3MS?
final estuary
Look on the level select screen and determine from there
But I will say this, unlocking the level is kinda difficult
muted jolt
the only level that i needed guide was E3MS
But there it's a blood letters that give you a idea where it's
jolly hatch
ok
hollow cosmos
pro virtual boy dusk when civvie
smoky sigil
Got to E2M6 in Cero Miedo
Ironically ||Mama|| was much easier this run, mostly thanks to being full on bolts this time
void socket
holy shit, did cero miedo kick my ass
it was probably because I bhopped WAY too much
visual aurora
hup hup hup
vale oar
bruh bruh bruh
final estuary
Honestly it's easy on cm
The only slightly difficult room is the one with the bone balls
crimson folio
i'm finding the game easy too
sleek cape
I finished Episode 2. Even better than E1.
crimson folio
Yup, that's basically how that goes.
Can i just get a free Dusk mouse mat since I'm going to say PLZ??!!
coarse flint
What was that 15 mb update?
untold vale
I saw we just updated, too. Any idea what those changes are?
knotty sable
when the SDK comes out will Dusk have a workshop or do you have to download mods off of forums and shit
or both
fair mirage
little of both prolly, considering there'll be gog too
would be a bit of a dick move to keep mods usable on only one platform
knotty sable
DooSK with 2d sprites instead of models when
prisma halo
That's a tough question to answer
Ideally we'll have some sort of way to download mods from the workshop without Steam/without owning the game
So GOG players aren't left out
Will probably need to talk to Valve about it
unborn lance
I bet you could use the Workshop as some sort of API, and import the workshop addons to a website.
queen coral
any rough ideas on Dawn's release? ie Q3/4 2019 or something
unborn lance
^
untold vale
Unfortunately, all that they're giving us is SOON(tm).
queen coral
yeah, but I imagine it ain't that simple if you're planning on actually shipping something using it
Valve usually doesn't care until you're abusing it
mild ginkgo
we'll see yeah
notifying them of it will be better than not
the worst they say is no, then you can just use a third party site like the one above
unborn lance
I really can't wait for Dawn though. As a level developer in Source, it'll be so much fun
queen coral
as a general tinkerer and mod shitposter, can't wait either
mild ginkgo
yeah i eagerly await what the community comes up with
tardy slate
i really want to look at the existing levels in an editor
unborn lance
^
mild ginkgo
if maximum action is any indication, itll be good
unborn lance
I want to grab all of New Blood's retro shooters. They all look so cool.
queen coral
I've seen quite a bit of discussions regarding mapping, but how will the code & assets be shipped for mods, any ideas?
unborn lance
They'd probably be integrated with the SDK.
For example, the SDK will have 3 sections - The map editor, the models, and then the textures. The map editor will have all of the necessary functions you see in the game itself, like door opens, triggers that do things, weapons, etc.
The models and textures are exactly as it sounds
So I noticed that the patch was released
Are there changelogs?
prisma halo
The assets come as raw files that the game loads
Models: IQM
Textures: PNG
Sounds, music: flac, ogg
The SDK itself is not a map editor, it is moreso the ability to load levels that are made with an external editor (eg, TrenchBroom)
mild ginkgo
patch changelog is just fixing some localization strings, and a door in e2m2
prisma halo
The SDK is a culmination of:
- An update to the game that allows it to load custom content
- A launcher/management tool for making mods (a la Source SDK)
- The release of the game-specific source code (the "real" SDK) which can be modified
- A full source code release (for those who want to contribute additional modding features, or make their own games)
prisma halo
Quake
You can use any Quake (or Quake 3) editor with Dusk, because it loads the same map format
unborn lance
Thought so. I considered making a few levels for Quake, but I thought that the game was pretty low on playercount by that time.
prisma halo
TrenchBroom is merely the one we encourage and offer support for
unborn lance
Yeah, I get that.
mild ginkgo
a great example of the sdk being open source would be say, if you wanted, to add support for rendering doom maps
prisma halo
or if you wanted to add extra scripting functionality
or extra model/texture formats, etc
mild ginkgo
id be curious to see if anyone feels like implementing a doom map support
prisma halo
there are one or two libraries for loading Doom maps in Unity already-- yeah
mild ginkgo
so in theory they could shove that code in
prisma halo
so it could be based on them
prisma halo
would just need a way to map thing IDs to entity names and such
mild ginkgo
also just in general im not sure how great doom maps would mesh with dusks gameplay
abstract skiff
15mb patch has come, hoooray!
mild ginkgo
!
queen coral
imagine painstakingly reproducing the code for each and every mob, and each and every linedef
oof
crimson folio
I also want Dusk with paper doll enemies. :|
flat juniper
now that Amid Evil has been out for a week, my next new gimmick will be a daily:
gimme that PHAT fuckin SDK release
polar cypress
crimson folio
Hey guys remember to check out Dusk
gleaming berry
Never heard of it
crimson folio
Dave you back in new zealand now?
rose hound
SDK - make your NUTS wad dreams come true!
Oh yes, a wad were I can nuts
#HDuskConfirmed
grand zodiac
Wad my nuts, baby
olive cloud
@rose hound Happy dusk
crimson folio
Good job gamer
LOL this game is so good. I'm playing through it for the second time and it only gets better.
rose hound
@slow harness congratulations. 100% is such a blast
Dusk is so well balanced on its secret hunting. Of ALL the secrets in Dusk, I never felt any was cheap or just stupidly hidden. Not even the super secrets or soaps
Ok, there is one soap I'ld critize: The Foundy one. Whoever putted that one where it is it.... uggh that was a pain
crimson folio
Say, I remember Civvie saying that big John was in Rise of the triad. How is he in New bloods games ?
mild chasm
As far as I recall quite a number of New Bloods' members worked on Rise of the Triad 2013
opal plover
Wasn't Dave one of the producers of RotT too?
mild chasm
I think so
crimson folio
Nice
opal plover
Directors actually
crimson folio
Kill meeeeee! Do it nau!!!
opal plover
I wonder why BJ doesn't have the "You ugly sonovabitch!" line from RotT
Even ||Amid Evil|| has it
sleek cape
I won't lie. I may have pissed myself laughing the first time I heard Big John speak 😂
opal plover
Figuratively?
sleek cape
😇
opal plover
crimson folio
Big Jahnnn!
rose hound
@opal plover @crimson folio if I remember Big John was voiced by Oshrey. They used his voice files for this new Big John and took a photo of his for the face.
sleek cape
Also, the bit where you encounter a PC and Duskdude says "I don't have time to play with myself.", being a Duke 3D reference. I was ROLLING with laughter 🤣
opal plover
Mighty sickles engaged!
opal plover
The photo they used for BJ's face was Dave's twitter profile pic for a while before Ep2 even came out actually
sleek cape
When people ask me if Duskdude is a good guy or bad guy, I say "Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun."
mild chasm
Dusk Dude is a treasure hunter
rose hound
He seems to get side tracked quite easily tho
slow harness
finally
sleek cape
You gotta wonder how he ended up in that farmhouse basement in the middle of buttfuck nowhere in the first place
slow harness
bruh
royal herald
Out of mostly my own obsession, I've avoided getting all the achievements since one of them is "unworthy"
sleek cape
@grand zodiac And he'll kill the whole town to get it if he has to.
vast tangle
@slow harness Welcome to the 100% club. We got beers
mild chasm
@sleek cape If I recall correctly initially the idea was that, as a treasure hunter, he went into the town of Dusk intentionally because he figured there might be plunder abound in there since it was cordoned off
Obviously now the backstory has basically been made super vague
and David and Dave have never really given any details or explanation on anything plot-wise, and the comic was considered totally non-canon and then eventually for some reason semi-canonical
However I don't really see any other logical method as to why he'd end up there unless he was abducted by the cult because Nyarla sensed a potential "worthiness" in him or something
vast tangle
It's possible the good ol' Crawling Chaos had Dusk Dude kidnapped, but you know, it's always wise to remember Carmack's words about plots in these kind of games
smoky sigil
I think the cult just wanted to sacrifice Dusk Dude
opal plover
In any case he was the wrong man in the wrong place
royal herald
what were carmack's words
opal plover
"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."
formal thunder
Twitter
vast tangle
Exactly
wheat zinc
I mean there are some genres where story do definitely make or break the game tbh
or how a great story saved an otherwise terrible/mediocre game
sleek cape
Intentionally keeping the canon story vague and the character's background and fate largely up to the player to speculate on. Perfectly fitting for this era of FPS. I love it 👍
Hopefully the AAA companies take notice. They probably won't.
opal plover
Slightly off topic but Dusk has some genuenly good story moments
dim plank
look bud
opal plover
Nameley the house in ||E3M7 and the E1M1 section of E3M8||
smoky sigil
I think my favorite story moment in the game is the spiral staircase in Blood and Bone
sleek cape
That's a good one. Creepy as hell.
smoky sigil
In general Blood and Bone is great ||especially after long fall||
opal plover
The B&B staircase is good but it still stops the gameplay for it, although for just a little bit
wheat zinc
Blood and Bone staircase also decided to put out some terrifying as fuck music
because it wasn't spooky enough
vast tangle
Blood & Bone is plot wise one of the most important levels
Since we learn what the human smoothie is used for
wheat zinc
also I feel like Dusk earned it
dim plank
yes
wheat zinc
in terms of having some story moments
opal plover
Defo
sleek cape
Dusk seems to have a story that doesn't ever stop the gameplay, kind of like Half-Life 2. It's there, but you can totally ignore it if you wish.
wheat zinc
HL1/2 definitely has some gameplay stopping moments
though it's mainly after a setpiece
sleek cape
HL2's intro as well, to a lesser extent.
wheat zinc
can't exactly skip sitting in a train
sleek cape
That's when I sit back, take a drink of whatever beverage I have in front of me, and put on some metal.
opal plover
Also might I add ||E3M7 and the end of E3M8|| are genuinely emotional moments
sleek cape
^ Does that contain Episode 3 spoilers?
opal plover
Ye
sleek cape
Okay, I won't open it. I'm waiting until it's completely dark out to play E3.
sleek cape
Which is gonna take ten more hours where I am.
dim plank
WORTHY
sleek cape
Also, I'll say this. Dusk has a better story than the utter dogshit that some AAA compaines come up with these days to score brownie points with certain crowds...
iron berry
the usual spots there would be cutscenes are the parts where i just pick up and throw random objects lol
noble arrow
there’s the time when the soldiers carry you
but tbh half life probably had no cutscenes because of technology limitations
wheat zinc
I remember when MGS5 went for the "unbroken" camera angle
where the cutscenes I guess don't happen suddenly
all one camera shot
simple pilot
but tbh half life probably had no cutscenes because of technology limitations
that was the design
there were no technical limitations for that
tawdry cloak
tfw you don't need cutscenes sometimes to get the idea across.
opal plover
AAA games: Excuse me wah the fuck
noble arrow
i never said having no cutscenes was bad or anything
valve probably just went with it and said it was for story reasons
having an actual cutscene where it has a fake player, custom animations, and effects is a lot more complicated than just slapping the player onto a tram that’s already moving
you gotta remember
gldsrc is old af
having the characters just do whatever without taking player control makes the process a lot simpler
and a ton of the interactions were through windows and behind walls and stuff
so valve didn’t have to worry about perspective as much on a ton of them
of course, if every encounter in half life was its own cutscene, it wouldn’t be half as amazing as it is
simple pilot
gldsrc is old af
noble arrow
because it is
noble arrow
but was it easy?
simple pilot
why not GoldSource?
noble arrow
especially with half life’s large volume of them, making a cinematic for everything would be a waste of effort
noble arrow
well the argument is that half life did cutscene because of a design choice
they probably realized cutscenes themselves were complicated and just made it all in the same perspective
simple pilot
scripting in HL1 probably did take some time and effort
noble arrow
it definitely took time and effort
simple pilot
what if that was the idea from the start?
simple pilot
we know because that was the idea
noble arrow
half life 2 was where it became apparent as a design choice
doom 3 was released in the same year, and that game was mostly first person
it did have quite a few cutscenes tho
half life was released almost a decade before that
did quake have an object move every 10 steps?
obviously having actual cutscenes would make more sense in that situation
sleek cape
Doom 3 is a boring pile of shit that tried to be a horror game when it shouldn't have been.
noble arrow
doom 3 is a great game
sleek cape
Dusk is Doom 3 done right. Doom 3 was too fucking slow.
noble arrow
because it’s a horror game
noble arrow
if you hate doom 3 because it’s too slow, stop playing doom 3
and play another doom game
simple pilot
if you dont like something dont play it
noble arrow
it’s still a decent horror game
not the best i’ve ever played, but still pretty spooky
simple pilot
sleek cape
I made it all the way to the Hell part of the BFG edition in 2012 when it came out, then turned it off out of sheer boredom, I shit you not. I haven't played it since.
noble arrow
you hate it because you expected something else
how did you get bored?
were you playing it with the lights on or something?
sleek cape
It just felt so generic and lesser in quality. I was spoiled by the masterpieces that had come before it.
You could tell that John Romero was long-gone.
Most of classic Id, actually.
noble arrow
carmack left id years before doom 2016
romero left even earlier
sleek cape
Carmack was there for Doom 3.
simple pilot
🍿
noble arrow
but that’s still allowed to be a “doom” game?
sleek cape
The last game Carmack worked on at Id was RAGE.
sleek cape
Yup. Because they finally remembered what made Id games amazing.
noble arrow
but more of classic id worked on 3 than on 2016
you can’t say id is only allowed to make one type of game
heady furnace
Correct. They tried something different, it didn't work. Shit happens. It's still an okay game just not great by Dooms own standards perhaps
noble arrow
what about commander keen?
doom 3 is decent if you don’t compare it to the other games
sleek cape
I'm not the only one to not finish Doom 3 because I was bored of it. Romero can back me up on that one. He tried it and hated it.
noble arrow
obviously the first doom is legendary
of course no other doom game can live up to its standards
but it’s a separate genre
romero might just not like horror games
heady furnace
Just because Romero doesn't like D3 doesn't make it a shit game
sleek cape
No, he likes horror games. He said "Resident Evil 4 did it right" in terms of making closer enemies go slower instead of slotting.
simple pilot
i dont even recall him hatin on D3
noble arrow
all of this is subjective
you hate doom 3 because you want fast-paced action
i like fast-paced action, but i also like horror
heady furnace
Does it even matter? Lol
noble arrow
doom 3 is a decent horror game
heady furnace
Different stokes etc
noble arrow
with decent shooting if i’m gonna be honest
simple pilot
shotgun cough cough
noble arrow
maybe it was slow, but slow doesn’t mean “bad”
sleek cape
@noble arrow You get all three of those things with DUSK. That's what makes it so amazing. Fast gameplay, horror, and good gun mechanics.
heady furnace
I was around when D3 first launched and it was pretty cool tbh. In retrospect it's perhaps the black sheep of the family but it's still has its merits
sleek cape
DUSK basically rolls all of the best elements of 90's shooters into one game, and it's a MASTERPIECE.
heady furnace
In your opinion
noble arrow
as i said, it’s all subjective
heady furnace
But Dusk is great
noble arrow
i gtg now
sleek cape
What I'm saying is, FPS as a genre shouldn't have deviated so hard from the core principles of the 90's games. They wouldn't have fallen as far as they have now in terms of quality and creativity. Call of Duty is a stain on gaming as a whole.
simple pilot
FPS as a genre shouldn't have deviated so hard from the core principles of the 90's games
why
sleek cape
All Military plots all the time.
That's what happens in AAA shooters for the most part.
noble arrow
first person shooter literally applies to any first person game where you shoot things
it’s one of the broadest genres in gaming
heady furnace
CoD has become a stain due to its annual cycle and not really doing anything to enhance the genre. It's become regressive. The series still has its place in FPS history
But also everyone kept buying cod even when it never changed. No wonder Acti didn't want to fuck with the formula
noble arrow
halo is regarded as one of the best shooters of all time, and it couldn’t be more different from the shooters of the 90s
sleek cape
For console players.
simple pilot
All Military plots all the time. that the way the time went
the genre shouldnt stick to one overall type of design
noble arrow
literally everything in the 90s was either space marine or science soldier related
heady furnace
Basically you're saying "I don't like it or agree with the direction, therefore it's wrong"
noble arrow
or just a generic zombie game
sleek cape
But they were fast, fun, and totally unrealistic. That's what made them such a blast.
simple pilot
oh yeah dont forget Doom and Wolf3D were the Call of Duty of their time
noble arrow
still subjective
grand zodiac
halo games are regarded as some of the best games ever, but mostly not by the same people who consider games like Doom as some of the best ever
wheat zinc
if anything
cod style singleplayer are falling to the wayside
compared to the return of retro shooters
heady furnace
Yep
There's plenty of games for everyone to play, let's just be happy were lucky enough we get to choose what we like
still swift
I wish I could play doom eternal
heady furnace
Eternal looks shit hot honestly
wheat zinc
I was not much of a fan in DOOM 2016
felt glory kills, even though they are very brief
still kinda broke the flow
heady furnace
Oh I loved it, brought my right back into the fold. I thought it was refreshingly frank with its design and mechanics choices
Glory kills can break the flow unless you get in a groove with them
balmy sluice
Should probably move this to #bnnuy-and-the-jits or #gami_g fellas
heady furnace
👌
balmy sluice
Thanks!
sleek cape
I telefragged the final boss of Episode 2 last night. All 17,000 of its HP were gone in an instant. That was one of those "WTF? Awesome!" moments.
It left a big ol' pile of red mush in that circular area with the two portals.
blissful mesa
sleek cape
I swear it was by complete fucking accident. I didn't think to do it. It just sorta happened.
It was satisfying as fuck when the thing just went SPLAT! all over the damn place.
royal herald
I was mad when I did it
it was an accident and I knew how it happened, so I restarted the level
sleek cape
I was sick of him killing me in two hits over and over again, so I said "fuck it" and finished the level after the telefrag.
dapper spire
I didn’t even know you could telefrag him until I watched Civvie’s video on Ep2
unborn lance
Has there been any bugs in the game that haven't been patched for the sake of speedrunning?
crimson folio
prop jumping maybe
rose hound
Bunny hopping
unborn lance
🤔
crimson folio
Bunny hopping was 100% intentional
unborn lance
^
rose hound
Also you can jump off the map borders to speedrun sometimes. I did it on... a map of episode 3
I cant remember which one sec
unborn lance
I was thinking more of being able to Bhop on lava and not take damage
rose hound
Episode 2 actually
I jumped off boundaries in The Dig and returned in, the cliff where you get a key and Jakob talks to you
I jumped off that and landed back into the last hallway before the final arena.
bronze jay
we should get 9mm barettas for chinese localization
so you can pretend you're john woo
delicate sail
Could it be that some minor unintended changes got introduced with the latest build? i.e. 4/5 wizards didn't gib after beating ||Jakob|| Also, when trying to use the flashlight in E3M10, it now says "The fall broke your flashlight" instead of "It gives no illumination" Just super minor stuff but wondering whether it's supposed to be like that...
jagged ferry
yeah those sound like bugs
delicate sail
Should I make a steam forums post about it or can you just pass it along for those kinda minor things?
jagged ferry
probably better to just make a post on it
delicate sail
Cool, will do. Thanks!
grand zodiac
fuck
crimson folio
you ever just decide to mess around with Trenchbroom and realize eight hours later you haven't eaten?
crimson folio
Ah yes sir it appears that you have
Gami_g disorder
Caused by the virulent modders strain
visual aurora
why
crimson folio
Could Big John beat Nyalarthotep
velvet basalt
perhaps
gleaming berry
ALMOST AT 98% OVERALL NANIIIII
LEAVE A REVIEW IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY SO SAYS ALIGHT SHILLBOI
untold vale
98%!?
Well deserved, but holy shit!
untold vale
In my eyes, 88 is 100 to a game like DUSK.
jolly hatch
I already made a Review
queen coral
I'm changing my review to a negative one
untold elm
crimson folio
are those flying gore balls?
weary coyote
Dusk but the Bone Balls shoot out Dave Oshry’s face
crimson folio
That’s a scrapped enemy
jolly hatch
well what is this scrapped enemy?
unborn lance
The Cowgirls need a fucking nerf
Holy shit
They're so bullshit
I just spilled water inside my PC because of them. I died on E3M6 or whatever that offbrand endless level is because of them
Fucks sake.
ionic wigeon
How'd you spill water inside your pc my dude?
unborn lance
Like I said, I died on the offbrand endless level in the 3rd chapter from the fuckfaces called Cowgirls and threw my hands up in anger
which hit a waterbottle that was open
and then was knocked down into my PC
These fuckers
Nerf them
Holy shit
unborn lance
^
ionic wigeon
Mm, I mean... they're annoying? But usually I didn't have a problem with them in the offbrand endless level
ionic wigeon
I just murder them with rivets, mortars, snipers or arrows whenever I can
wheat zinc
and sometimes they even cause a fuck ton of mob infighting
unborn lance
I've died to them maybe 5 times now.
out of my 7 total deaths throughout all chapters
ionic wigeon
Screw Grand Wizards with a stick
ionic wigeon
Also Coffee your profile gif is great and I love it
unborn lance
I've died 5 times because of Cowgirls, the other 2 were because I fell off the map at the beginning of certain levels
ionic wigeon
Man I don't keep track of any of my deaths tbh
wheat zinc
because of those two enemies
ionic wigeon
E3M9 the one place I turned off IG music so I could turn on my default murder time jam
Complete and total side note I still think it's metal AF that your scythes can block a large multitude of projectiles when done right
crimson folio
wat
Jesus fucking Christ, how did I miss that?
I'm going to have to replay DUSK all over again
smh
ionic wigeon
Miss wot?
crimson folio
I never knew you could block projectiles with the sickles.
That section was fun
I just went real fast in a circle for like 15 minutes and I'm pretty sure most things died to infighting
but yeah I probably fell off a bunch of times ||and reloaded until I realized you get tele'd back up||
simple pilot
no.
dapper spire
why not
simple pilot
You ARE the Big Johns.
dapper spire
oh my god
wheat zinc
Dusk but replace every leatherneck with horrors
dapper spire
god no
crimson folio
So just those big mouthed bastards then? Cause them things be scary....
crimson folio
^
simple pilot
DUSK but enemies are hitscaners, and you're shooting only projectiles
dapper spire
no
crimson folio
That would be the Dark Souls of FPS right there, never go full hard difficultly, just don't do it, it ain't worth it.
wheat zinc
I would like to see like
a total conversation with Blood like elements and weapons
but without being hitscanned to death
dapper spire
add the lighter + spray can in dusk
wheat zinc
I would like to see like
a sniper like enemy in DUSK
where you can't avoid it by strafejumping one direction
kinda like having to juke it
if that makes sense
wheat zinc
the most fun I had was weaving between boneball projectiles
like I was some touhou champ
wheat zinc
it's mainly fun when there are multiple of them
even though they tend to take eachother out
I would like to see an endless mode where enemies can't hurt eachother
so that boneballs would be an actual threat and not a "oh cool boneballs are murdering everything for me"
jagged ferry
it's weird because it almost feels like the more overwhelming a single enemy's attack is the less it takes to dodge its projectiles
wheat zinc
boneballs but their projectiles shoot as fast as soldiers
jagged ferry
hmm
crimson folio
How lethal of a health drainer would that be?
dapper spire
very
rancid viper
Big John prequel comic when?
dapper spire
opal plover
@simple pilot There are decompilers that have different degrees of success afaik
simple pilot
i wanted to check out SiN SP maps
@opal plover you can hand me over if you know any
just researching stuff
opal plover
Sorry don't knwo of any
violet sand
<@&249011167937298432> Played on E3M10 on duskmare, got hit once by Jakob's mortar bomb explosion and didn't die. Is it intentional? 
chilly hound
!requestpatch
atomic egret
game needs fixed
vale oar
U need fixed
atomic egret
yea im working on it
vale oar
Good boi
slow harness
@violet sand splash damage doesn't kill you instantly on duskmare, that's why you don't get oneshotted by mamas most of the times
opal plover
What's gonna be fixed?
atomic egret
on me or on dusk
opal plover
Are y'all finally gonna remove that colon in front of "Difficulty" at the level end screen?
Duks
atomic egret
¯_(ツ)_/¯
slow harness
when are you adding the battlepass
opal plover
Oh didn't fully read the conversation my bad
atomic egret
when dw 1.0 comes out
slow harness
nice
opal plover
Also the SDK's approx release is still this summer right?
atomic egret
yes it should be very soon @opal plover
slow harness
hell yeah
opal plover
Oh very even?
slow harness
maybe end of july?
atomic egret
very soon relatively speaking
opal plover
Relative to what though
atomic egret
the heat death of the universe
opal plover
From one day to in a billion years then
slow harness
end of summer you mean
simple pilot
summer of which year 
?
opaque spindle
2022
simple pilot
opal plover
In 2070 or so
grand zodiac
Fuck it, might as well release in 2200, right?
tardy slate
literally today
brave egret
does dusk have a 1337 linux version?
vague egret
Dusk is on Linux and Mac
noble arrow
dusk is on earth
winter mauve
brave egret
I've got the t420 dankpad, it runs great
sleek cape
Is the cowgirl enemy supposed to be this game's version of a Revenant?
Or maybe the ogres from Quake...
sleek cape
The ogres serve as a distraction when they're in the company of other enemy types. I think the cowgirls do the same thing, when in a group with lesser enemies.
tropic blaze
cowgirls friggen spook me
compact nova
the wendigos still scare me and I know where a majority of them are
crimson folio
I'm saving this
dapper spire
young oshry
crimson folio
Well where is it?
dapper spire
Escher Labs entrance
crimson folio
Under zombies bed
vale oar
@slate cairn
grand zodiac
under zombie's who's going to deliver sdk tomorrow bed
slate cairn
n i c e
crimson folio
dapper spire
thanks leatherneck
noble arrow
leatherneck is good enough for a boner
ruby swift
HAIL DUSK!!!
crimson folio
@tropic blaze I was trying to be sneaky in THE DIG earlier and lure a cowgirl out of this room and use pillars for cover but shoot through with the crossbow. I see her walk around one pillar in front of me and it takes a while for her to come around so im like ????. Then I take a fatal rivet to the back of my head and throw my headphones across the room IN A KNEE JERK STARTLED REACTION 😂
steady aurora
Yo I was recently doing a 100% all soap Cero Meido run of the game and I was missing enemies in the Cutty Mines, I heard breathing and I knew it was just a couple. Scouring the corners of the map I'm slowly tracking down the source of the noise, I enter one of the larger rooms and approach a wall from which the breathing was getting louder and louder. Suddenly the wall flings open and two leather necks rev their chainsaws sprinting towards me, meanwhile my mouse is across my desk and my headphones are on the floor. Man I love Dusk
worn moon
lol
steady aurora
Also got to love those monster closets as well
crimson folio
I just found out Dusk is my most played single player (capable) game on steam.
At 47 hours.
Next is Talos Principle at 42.
And I felt like I played TTP for a LOT longer.
jagged ferry
ig we've just confirmed that dusk is superior to talos principle /s
crimson folio
Hahaha
Major Dusk Spoiler || Well both games are about defying Gods so they're basically the same game ||
noble arrow
nah m8 dusk is about satan
hes not a god
idk what he is
he isnt a god tho
im pretty sure hes like a higher demon
crimson folio
Nyarlathothep?
noble arrow
what
crimson folio
He's one of the Gods in HP Lovecraft's world
crimson folio
tru fax
noble arrow
he had one of the major roles in horror
he created an entire genre after himself
or at least, it was created based on his work
lovecraftian horror i mean
sucks that CoC sucks
vale oar
Classic reaction
crimson folio
There's a good zork-like game called Anchorhead that's heavily inspired by Lovecraftian horror.
But, it's more like an interactive book
Very fun though
noble arrow
oh, so shrek?
crimson folio
what
vale oar
Lmao
noble arrow
what
vale oar
What
noble arrow
time to eat my FROSTED FLAKES CEREAL
crimson folio
HA, goteem
noble arrow
by Kellogg's
you are speaking to a kool kid
me rn
i am very cool
as you can see
crimson folio
Rip
fleet flame
Spoiler for E2M8
||So I THINK I understand the meaning behind the whole altar part, and the words on the walls while descending the staircase... but just incase I'm wrong: What exactly is the altar trying to represent or show? What exactly is it creating at that moment?||
crimson folio
||Flesh -> magical power|| if it's the right altar I'm thinking about
opal plover
||Basically the researchers in the facillity came into contact with the antagonist and traded their souls for eldritch knowlege, they learned how to turn blood and bone into power and built a massive industrial mass sacrifice machine, which is E2M4, and with the viscera and concrete altars they generate demonic power.||
fleet flame
Ahhhh righto, there we go
Thought it was something along those lines just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some sort of hidden meaning
crimson folio
Green energy bad SSG good
opal plover
The old fashioned way wins again
crimson folio
But wait ||[REDIRECTED]|| also has a SSG
grand zodiac
*REDACTED
crimson folio
fug
tardy slate
holy balls i only now found about the cool stuff in the dusk folder
like the e3 demo and pit and alpha oh man
this is sooo coooool
can i just say
i REALLY like the music that's playing in the E3 version
is it possible to get anywhere?
atomic egret
^
atomic egret
the old main menu theme is ingrained into my mind from when preprepreprealpha was all that existed
tardy slate
i kinda wish some of those were in the final dusk version
queen coral
there's a couple ambient tracks that survived if Im not mistaken
queen coral
but honestly, the hulshult tracks are a highlight
tardy slate
ok spill the beans
there is at least some inspiration in early versions of dusk
from stalker
kinda? maybe? plz
opal plover
ofc
There aren't even beans to be spilled at this point, they have long since been eaten by rats off of the floor
tardy slate
hey now i've only now found out about them
queen coral
so did the rats
atomic egret
there is inspo from stalker in the whole game
queen coral
real talk tho why every fps needs an asshole mob
atomic egret
it's one of david's biggest influences
tardy slate
especially ep2 it seems
queen coral
rats on duskmare are some real fucking bastards
tardy slate
that's so nice to know
stalker is literally one of my fav games of all time
storm fox
so those bubbly acid puddles are just anomalies?
tardy slate
oh wait
opal plover
Wendigos are inspired by bloodsuckers I belive?
tardy slate
holy shit
queen coral
there's not enough hardbass on dusk tho
tardy slate
they even breathe like bloodsuckers
and there is literally a green bubble puddle anomaly
wow
storm fox
fuck now i wanna replay stalker
tardy slate
get out of here stalker >:(
get out of here stalker >:(
get out of here stalker >:(
queen coral
have you played lost alpha yet?
tardy slate
yes
atomic egret
I am very surprised that didn't trip the anti-spam
tardy slate
i'm russian so i played 99% of all stalker mods
opal plover
o7
tardy slate
i wonder why are there no glass windows in dusk
they feel cool to break and to jump into the house or out of the house
in the alpha that is
opal plover
There's still some like in the gas station for example
storm fox
the church
opal plover
The removal of the lightswitches is understandable for the performance
But why did they remove the toilet skull from E1M7
opaque spindle
We found that the toilet skull was too cool for most audiences
tardy slate
...i just fell from the map in the pre pre pre alpha
sudden lance
oh yeah the facilities give major stalker vibes
final estuary
a bit of trivia about episode 2, originally the game was just going to be in the style of stalker
you can even find its influences in the DUSKER background
royal herald
where is this image from
native breach
does anyone know how to make DUSK fullscreen exclusive?
crimson folio
mild chasm
People aren't playing the game every single waking minute of every day of their lives and it's been a few weeks since they reviewed it on steam when there's content that they're waiting on getting added?
GAEM SUK
GAEM BAD
DAVID SUK
simple pilot
david suk
mild chasm
DAVID SZYMANSKI MORE LIKE DAVID SUKZ A MAN'S PEE
simple pilot
grand zodiac
Nice one
crimson folio
that video hurts
dim plank
hmm almost as if there's a trophy for doing that
crimson folio
i was just sent that by a """"friend"""" who bought dusk a year ago. played 3 levels of episode 1 and never played it since
dim plank
didn't play past ep 1
crimson folio
btw- went onto the OP's steam profile
mild chasm
"LOOK LOOK LOOK I'M SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING DAMAGE HERE BUT I'M NOT CAUSE I'M JUMPING!"