i'm stuck
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
mild ginkgo
you can get out
also you can use the F1 key for quick reset if you want to
but you probably are not actually stuck
are you in E1M3
@crimson folio
strong tendon
unless you're stuck in a door, then it's a DOOR STUCK
grand zodiac
DOOR STUCK
smoky sigil
I'm doing a Cero Miedo run and I've stopped at the Cutty Mine rn
Tbh I don't really see much of a difference between it and I Can Take It other than somewhat increased damage
crimson folio
i was in e2m8
crimson folio
got stuck bugged between some sloped edge and a wall with a close ceiling
tried rocket jumping and using crossbow knockback, neither worked
toxic elbow
also enemies are more accurate, or theyer just shooting faster
The redneckes in this difficulty are freaking usin bolt
Thank god DUSK dude is a literal rocket
spare cobalt
wheat zinc
a friend of mines who speedran DUSK complained about how the level reset option takes away 2 seconds since the timer is running
while you are unable to move
compared to restarting via the "Press Key to continue" screen
wheat zinc
bless
pine kettle
If I buy dusk now on Steam, Will it be available in gog connect later?
simple pilot
ye
pine kettle
ok, time to buy Dusk XD
simple pilot
we cannot into anti-piracy software and we cannot afford denuvo
vague egret
nah. we just dont care
simple pilot
🤷
fleet flame
I'm a disgrace
Finally got back into Dusk and my aim is not as precise as it once was
dapper spire
increase your sensitivity
fleet flame
I don't have to change anything
I'm just sloppy
dapper spire
ah
fleet flame
I'll just play Endless on Cathedral for an entire day 
smoky sigil
Yeah I got past the Cutty Mine and wow the Leathernecks are buffed
crimson folio
they move fast as fuck boi
smoky sigil
It's not even the speed, it's the damage
inner canyon
Those damn cowgirls are annoying
reef pecan
i just want to remind yall that duskdude is evidently in his late 60s
crimson folio
If Keanu Reeves has taught me anything, it's that old age is just a number.
wild pecan
Am I ok to talk about bosses here? I dont want to spoil anything
wild pecan
Cool I just want to say thanks for not making me kill the intoxigators wife, ending his bloodline was sad enough
crimson folio
Indeed, we need more badass animals like Intoxigator and his son.
reef pecan
yeah spoilers only rlly matter when ur talking about the last level
crimson folio
Yep
reef pecan
I don't really notice a lot of the environmental storytelling until I read up about the plot n stuff
now it jumps out at me
like "oh shit that makes sense"
wild pecan
Haha I just loved the drawing of the wife
wild pecan
That's awesome I was wondering if it was someones kid, I hope it blew his mind with awesomeness when he saw it in game
reef pecan
THANKS CALEB!
mild ginkgo
yeah, the kids name is caleb, funny enough
fitting given the blood references and all
crimson folio
Really? XD
mild ginkgo
yep
crimson folio
That's an amazing coincidence
reef pecan
@crimson folio "thanks caleb!" is what it says if you press the Use key (default E) on the picture
wheat zinc
isn't duskdude also a normal human?
crimson folio
I never actually found that secret in-game until recently
I believe DuskDude is, at least until he gets those powers at the end of the game at least.
wild pecan
@wheat zinc Yeah as far as I know he is. If you look at pictures in the homecoming level I believe he actually has a pretty big backstory too
For a "doomguy" like protagonist
crimson folio
His backstory is pretty mysterious tho, which I do kinda like for the most part.
wild pecan
yeah for sure I just thought it made him more relatable than someone like duke nukem
it was a nice touch
wheat zinc
duskdude gives me hope
that one day I'll be able to strafejump to work like him
if I just practice enough
crimson folio
I think that DuskDude's wife and kid died in a fire or something along those lines. Hence why you hear a woman's scream and a child's cries as well as something burning. Would also explain how DuskDude is shocked to find his house perfectly intact in that level if it burnt down originally.
neon dove
RIP pixel family :(
crimson folio
F for the family indeed.
reef pecan
well
the reason why duskdude like goes out to hunt treasure in a government restricted area in the first place is because he's down on his luck im pretty sure
like he's like
"fuck it life sucks anyway lol"
jagged ferry
very well could be some spite involved too
reef pecan
oh shit ur the guy who like
jagged ferry
i mean if my entire family died in a fire i'd be pretty spiteful too
reef pecan
changes your nickname to whatever funny meme is relevant right
like your name was like
miles feet
infinate
stuff like that right
jagged ferry
took you a while to realize that
jagged ferry
TOOK YOU A WHILE TO REALIZE THAT
reef pecan
that sounds terrible lol
crimson folio
Sounds like hell
reef pecan
i mean i know ur just joking
jagged ferry
how to make a game more bullshit then extra crispy blood
-duskmare with hitscanners
reef pecan
but like the reason why enemies in doom and dusk hit so hard in the first place is because you have the mobility to dodge like everything in the first place
even on the lowest difficulty which is hilariously easy you die pretty fast if you stand still
wild pecan
lol no please
jagged ferry
do the doom hitscanners do a lot of damage though
reef pecan
In doom 2016 literally anything melee in the game will fuck your life up even the shitty zombies
because you have the mobility to not get hit by them
dunno i think hitscan in dusk would go against the design of the game
wild pecan
that shameful moment when a zombie starts eating you after you get killed by one
reef pecan
on nightmare in doom 2016 the zombies will do upwards of 70 damage with one melee hit
the zombies
lol
crimson folio
The hitscaning enemies in the original Doom don't do that much damage unless your up close and personal with a shotgun sergeant.... Those guys will fuck you up if you're no careful.
reef pecan
well in doom i think that you're a buffer character
you can take a lot of damage in doom
in dusk and doom 2016 you can't really
wild pecan
this is also why minigunners in doom 2 are the bane of existense
reef pecan
i dont play classic doom that much (forgive me) but doesnt the blue armor block like 80% of damage until it runs out
i could be thinking of quake 3
ok no it's half
but that's still a shit ton of damage u can eat
royal herald
that ain't how it works
reef pecan
the way i thought it worked was that like
if you take 80 damage with the blue armor
the armor takes 40 damage
and ur health takes 40 damage
because it splits it in half
between ur health and armor
and with the weaker armor which i forget what the percent is it would be like 20 to your armor and 60 to your health
but in doom 2016 ur armor is just a 2nd health bar
if you have 200 armor and 1 hp you have 201 hp
royal herald
combat armour blocks 50% till depletion but it's hard to type with an apple in the other hand so here:
wild pecan
its not consistent though
doom does this really weird thing where it randomizes damage like pistols can do 3-9 damage or something like that
reef pecan
well yeah because classic doom in general is a pretty fucky game
because it was a 90s dos shooter
cant really expect a lot of like. shit that works properly
lol
wheat zinc
DOOM wasn't their first rodeo though
royal herald
to get an fps game like DOOM to run on 90s pc's/dosboxes is a miracle already really
wild pecan
true
reef pecan
and how quake was so much more polished despite being made with like similar means and running on similar hardware
royal herald
It's a huge leap and bound in technology, gameplay, graphics, etc etc etc
jagged ferry
that's how carmack is our lord and saviour
reef pecan
you guys know that the scrapped version of doom 4 was meant to run at 30 fps, even on pc?
like a locked 30 fps?
reef pecan
thank god it was scrapped lol
wheat zinc
giving the time peroid
reef pecan
"because in the Doom 4 project, we decided the multiplayer is 60 frames per second, but the single player is 30 frames per second, so you can have twice as many demons coming at you"
jagged ferry
LOL
wild pecan
does cocaine make your level design better? because sigil is to sober id say
reef pecan
honestly like
i'd be happy to make my own kind of custom campaign for dusk once that comes out
wheat zinc
Kaizo DUSK
reef pecan
but i have massive commitment issues when making projects like that and i stop before i even start lol
and like
my level design talent is not great
wheat zinc
it's a really high bar to beat David's level design
he already set the standard so high for DUSK
wild pecan
yeah
reef pecan
i play competitive tf2 at a pretty high level and if you asked me what makes a map good or bad i wouldnt have an answer
LOL
level design is a hard concept to grasp
wheat zinc
and yet David is an absolute champ at it
reef pecan
yeah its crazy good
wild pecan
id honestly love if David had like books or videos that he found helpful that he'd recommend, level design is cool as fuck and dusk is some of the tightest ive ever seen
reef pecan
Also the tools are pretty foreign to me but I wonder if it's like photoshop
wild pecan
everything has a damn purpose its nuts
reef pecan
like you see all the tools when ur first starting out and it makes no sense
and then after you like learn how to use photoshop everything makes sense
like probably the same amount of commitment is required to learn programs like
google sketchup
n stuff
i also think that once you know one program
you kinda know all of the similar programs
like i say "photoshop" like "kleenex" is to "tissue"
i use paint.net but its basically the same thing
and i can use like photoshop and gimp because i know all the tools from one program
like if u were really smart in trenchbroom something like hammer editor would probably make a lot of sense
dense abyss
I learned hammer just so i could make my house into a cs map
reef pecan
lol
i've never made a map for anything like quake
but my dad made a few quake 3 maps
not popular ones but like i enjoyed playing them when i was like 12
wild pecan
I feel like a lot of kits for games have a lot of different buzzwords that they use for the same tool, like more so than something like photoshop, like crop is crop, but when i try and mess with game stuff there is certainly stuff that is the same but theres also more variation if feels like on how tools are named and used. but i'm no expert so i could just be talking out of my ass
dense abyss
I made a working elevator for an office map, but learning to program stuff in hammer took an entire day. naming conventions are screwy
wild pecan
agreed
humble gyro
is there a soap in e3m10?
vale oar
in the cupboard
humble gyro
aw shit
vale oar
nope
humble gyro
fuck
wild pecan
does the crossbow not count?
dapper spire
I’ll be surprised if the crossbow didn’t count
humble gyro
it does count, but the nyarl fight doesnt give me much ammo
and the crossbow doesnt doo much
wait
does it only count kills?
dapper spire
I think it does
wheat zinc
thanks
smoky sigil
There should be an ultra-secret trick to bring the soap all the way to ||Nyarly|| and it gibs him instantly
humble gyro
do you know how?
smoky sigil
The low-tech thing? No
humble gyro
do you know someone who does?
smoky sigil
Nope
I just got into DUSK, didn't even know low-tech was a thing until now
tardy slate
oh i did low tech of e3m10
humble gyro
how
tardy slate
you can hit that guy with the sword
humble gyro
nyarl?
tardy slate
you get close enough while he swings
ye
like try to hit his arms-shoulders or whatever
and use the crossbow for the holes in the celling
night bear
Just got dusk but I'm having a problem, the mouse keeps moving up and to the left, what do I do to fix it?
tardy slate
if i recall you have to delete all of the devices in the HID in the device manager
sometimes game might be trying to read inputs that are not there, in fact this stuff might happen in other games with you
so like if there is a glitchy device duplicate or whatever it's causing problems
night bear
Damn my tablet is part of the HID, is there an alternative or is that the only way
tardy slate
but that's a guess
i mean
your tablet will just reinstall itself
maybe it made dupes of itself
after plugging-unplugging it
so cleaning the HID list could help
yeah
night bear
thank you
round venture
Oh huh I had no idea
tardy slate
enjoy the game
wheat zinc
can't wait for 16 player DUSK coop, friendly fire on
mild ginkgo
@night bear
go into the menu
theres an option for "turn off controller input"
you should be fine if you switch that off
mild ginkgo
np
wild pecan
yo i hope that epic coop action comes to endless too
jagged ferry
i'd be surprised if it didn't
also >16 player dusk coop
we need to go deeper
50 player dusk coop with friendly fire
wild pecan
100 player dusk coop battle royale
jagged ferry
wait no go back
wild pecan
lol
smoky sigil
Co-op Endless unironically sounds fun
wild pecan
I feel like my main concern with coop is the level design is so tight it feels like they would be too small for tons of dudes
but it would be nice either way
wild pecan
that would be epic but kind of a gigantic work load i feel like
jagged ferry
hence the 🤔
wild pecan
mod maps for coop though
wheat zinc
E3M4 in coop
2x every monster for every new player
hope you can bodyblock your friends in coop too
wild pecan
croteam should be jelous of that idea
wheat zinc
kinda fell out of love for Serious Sam after 2nd encounteer
wild pecan
I didnt mind bfe but was for sure weak
and i have almost no faith in planet badass after finding out its open world or whatever
and the fact its been in hell since like 2014
wheat zinc
I would be much happier with a game with DUSK's foundation
wild pecan
yeah its made out of adamantium or some shit idk how
wild pecan
lol those levels got me so worked up i was just semi firing the assualt rifle for some light
crimson folio
for real
crimson folio
The mines level is probably my least favorite level... but only because it seems like an alpha map that was repurposed to be in the final game.
It is annoyingly dark though.
mild ginkgo
its my favorite level
but yeah, its very divisive
some people hate it
some people love it
crimson folio
I just wished there were more textures to look at, lol.
The stone is hard on the eyes, and... there's not much else going on.
mild ginkgo
thats fair, dusk has pretty limited textures
coral knoll
can't overtax those toasters
fair mirage
just like the magnavox odessey
crimson folio
I have a Lenovo T420s from 2010 running mint could it run dusk uwu
wheat zinc
every level in DUSK is pretty
crimson folio
wtf do u mean Dusk has no quick time events? 0/7 NB devs shood make a reel game, n00bz
crimson folio
hot take: metal gear rising is just QTE done right
jolly mirage
formal turret
olive cloud
Lol
Who is he
https://www.reddit.com/r/sbubby/comments/aj17zx/sukd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app @Gunsmith1000#8008
viscid vessel
Cero Miedo is really hard. I'm stuck on the Sawdust level with minimum health, almost no shotgun ammo, nor AR ammo. All I have is the pistols, the Mortar, the rocket launcher. Like, how am I supposed to beat this with so little ammo? xD
toxic elbow
jovial palm
crimson folio
I honestly think Cutty mines is a great level
Dusk has a diverse range of level types actually
minor osprey
rare musk
grand zodiac
any level is "allowed" to be bad, but I am equally allowed to bitch about it being bad
crimson folio
just found out I can akimbo shotguns this game is getting a 10/10 from me
simple pilot
its 10/10 like Blood 2 is 10/10
mild ginkgo
ouch
crimson folio
but Blood is also 10/10
simple pilot
but you can dual wield sawed off shotguns at any time 
mild ginkgo
lol
crimson folio
idk how you have President Keemstar and bomb tbh
grand zodiac
Y O U F U C K E D M Y S A L E S
low swift
blood 2 is underated gold
maybe i just have da nostalgia glasses on for bad purchases tho.....
wait whut.....
somebody wake me up
royal herald
can't tell if you're being sarcastic
low swift
i type and words come out.
blood 2 is fun like aaikatana is fun........ 10 years later
daikatana
im trying to make sense. but its not working is it?
grand zodiac
no pepsi
low swift
dont bend the pepsi
i made that image in my attempt to rid myself of pepsi consumption to avoid future diabetic hell.
somepeople play dusk all day. some smoke cigarettes. i drink pepsi.
crimson folio
not chugging vodka by the bottle while planning your custom levels for dusk
low swift
*fanpatch it.
can you make da custom levels for dusk yet?
oh you said planning @crimson folio
hand me some of that vodka
appears i need it
thorn trout
Ratacombs is super fun you all just don't know how to use the mortar properly
crimson folio
I mean its okey
strong tendon
i blew myself up with mortar detonation :((
opal oyster
I hope you guys bought 2 more copies of Dusk from the steam summer sale
crimson folio
I've already bought 5
humble gyro
question: on duskmare, does any enemy attack kill you in one hit, regardless of health and morale?
muted jolt
yes
but you can sustain splash damage
like mama rivets shoots a wall and hit you
you take damage
if hit directly
you are dead
humble gyro
but any direct hits, like bullets, fireballs, etc, that's one hit?
humble gyro
I'll give Civvie 100 bucks to see a stream of him beating The Dwellers in Darkness on duskmare
smoky sigil
My problem with Ratacombs is that it feels relatively generic compared to how wild every other mission in the episode is
vale oar
But dat's a good reference to Planescape tho
open sable
Quick question - is it public knowledge why dusk was delayed on GOG? I would've honestly preferred to buy it there without DRM, but I caved in favor of steam because I'm an impatient human being
mild ginkgo
steam version does not have drm
graceful wing
^
mild ginkgo
but yes, it is public knowledge, we have to do significant reworks to the multiplayer in order to support cross platform play
open sable
Oooh! Okay, awesome
mild ginkgo
thats just taking a while, is really it
graceful wing
steam's DRM wrapper is optional
mild ginkgo
for the record, the multiplayer IS tied to using steams networking solution
graceful wing
most devs obviously use it
mild ginkgo
so the matchmaking will not function without steam
but the SP will
and thats something we're aiming to change with the gog port
the changes the gog port recieves MP wise, will also be rolled into the steam version
open sable
cool cool 👍 thanks NB ❤ you're the real MVPs. hope all your releases are DRM-free like that
mild ginkgo
they all are, yes
graceful wing
DRM free + available on as many platforms and storefronts as possible
that's our goal
open sable
what a beautiful sight c:
smoky sigil
How do you remove the wrapper? Just uninstall Steam?
grand zodiac
what wrapper?
oh that
you can just throw the files around as you wish
sp will work
crimson folio
Yeah multiplayer depends on steamworks rn
but everything else should work
inb4 someone remakes Blood Gulch
polar cypress
sup guys
smoky sigil
grand zodiac
sup guys
crimson folio
sup guys
graceful wing
steam's DRM wrapper? you don't
polar cypress
It seems to me that getting all achievements in D U S K is too easy.
Why there is no achievement like complete all game on nightmare
oh shit i mean DUSKmare
what u think?
smoky sigil
Probably because Duskmare's insane
indigo shale
i have to say, DUSK's 'gimmick' levels are my favorite ones
graceful wing
i don't know if anyone's actually managed to do that yet
slow harness
duskmare isn't insane
graceful wing
we might introduce it later down the line
smoky sigil
Duskmare's one hit and you die isn't it
polar cypress
yea it is
smoky sigil
Shit like E3M9 would be insane in it
balmy sluice
A few people have done it
The whole game is beatable on it fairly easily if youre a nerd and quicksave a lot
polar cypress
btw it is still difficult
balmy sluice
Oh for sure
polar cypress
as one dude already say: remember E2M9
slow harness
what's the name of e2m9
balmy sluice
I'm taking the opportunity to flex that I've done it without saving. But yeah, you just kite everything a lot. Pretty tedious
polar cypress
I think this is the meaning of achievement - be hard to do, but possible
polar cypress
yeah. don't shit your pants while playing fortnite - true achievement
delicate sail
Is there any increase of projectile / movement speed on DM compared to CM btw?
crimson folio
I think discord ate my question, I sent one and it didn't go through lmao what
vague egret
looks like you hit our word filter
crimson folio
maybe, it was probably a dumb question anyways
balmy sluice
I read your question, dusk has multiplayer already if that's what you meant. #374852069137580033
crimson folio
time to remake blood gulch
grand zodiac
Can someone send me the Dusk version of the "shut the fuck up, boomer" meme? I seem to have lost it.
olive cloud
what
balmy sluice
I looked, couldnt find it. youre on your own.
jagged ferry
@grand zodiac
grand zodiac
Thancc x 100
jagged ferry
👍
crimson folio
Isn't the original image without the big john head
grand zodiac
that's the one I was looking for
slow harness
can someone send the stfu boomer picture to quake_txt
vague egret
pretty sure we're all blocked
wheat zinc
what is the story behind quake_txt
vague egret
unfunny quake novelty account that hates dusk because it isnt quake. bout it
he blocks everyone who mentions dusk or calls him out. quite the cool dude
opal oyster
they just peanut butter and jelly
wheat zinc
unfortunate
imagine insulting a game and your insult ends up becoming a marketing slogan for them
slow harness
Wait that's how dusk sucks appeared?
crimson folio
imagine running a novelty twitter account to begin with
unless it's some wholesome shit like trains, who doesn't like trains?
mild ginkgo
trains are great
vague egret
trains are 👌
mild chasm
Dusk Sucks to my knowledge as a meme was around long before quake_txt
wheat zinc
I was reading some like doom forums
and was surprised to see all the hate for Dusk
comparing it to Strafe
vague egret
self-depreciating marketing is kinda our thing
fleet flame
I'm going to make a ton of consistent levels and pretend they're an Expansion Pack from the good ol' days
wheat zinc
Dusk is legit one of the most polished and consistently great games I ever played
almost every other retro shooter feels like it has "That garbage level" or "those really shit enemies"
but not Dusk
mild chasm
There's a lot of boomer purist elitist types like quake_txt who hate dusk because it's not literally doom
or not literally just quake
sly path
I just want retro FPS to start having a bit more fun with itself now, it just kinda feels like Quake clones right now.
wheat zinc
I guess if I have any real complaint
the weapons in DUSK is pretty bog standard
even if the presentation and feel of the weapons is really good
sly path
Have a whacky inventive mechanic is basically what I'm trying to say.
wheat zinc
I just see Dusk as an insanely polished retro shooter
smoky sigil
The big reason I love DUSK is because of how unique every level feels
fleet flame
I just can't be stuffed judging it, I like to like things without worrying too much about what is wrong with it most of the time
That's why I can like videogame movies
Unless it's the last 3 Resident Evil films
smoky sigil
Sawdust and The Cutty Mine are right next to each other but they feel completely different
slow harness
@wheat zinc "those garbage enemies" you mean mama?
crimson folio
Wtf this new game isn't the game I bought 25 years ago downvoted
wheat zinc
mamas are easy enough to avoid
assuming you aren't in a too cramp place
and they do have a delay in movement and firing positions
wheat zinc
Mamas also tend to kill themselves in a prolonged fight
slow harness
More than shamblers
wheat zinc
because they can hurt themselves
slow harness
Nah never seen that
crimson folio
just shoot them?
wheat zinc
I know Mamas are a huge source of monster infighting
because their explosives tend to do hit everyone else
and then the other enemies get really mad at mama
smoky sigil
Mamas are Cyberdemons, but normal enemies
wheat zinc
in E3M9, the cowgirls damn nearly take took out the final wave for me
slow harness
They always tend to hit me
wheat zinc
I'm always strafejumping like a madman though
fleet flame
Cowgirls are just the female Stroggs from Quake 2 on steroids
smoky sigil
I always use Rivets/Mortars for them
Maybe sometimes the Hunting Rifle and SSG if I get risky
mild chasm
I think Dusk actually stands out a bit by having no particularly outlandish weapons. It doesn't have a big "destroys everything in the room in one shot" weapon or a plasma rifle or anything like that, forcing you to rely on a bunch of contemporary and even technically obsolete weaponry and your skill with said weaponry.
Its most weird weapon being a crossbow that can hit through walls and allows you to sort of hover jump makes it a lot weirder than games going okay here's a nailgun, here's a plasma rifle, here's a lightning gun, here's a giant gun that destroys everything in one shot, etc.
That's how I look at it anyways
mild chasm
It reminds me a lot of how in Blood you're going to rely a lot more on the shotgun and the dynamite than every other weapon
smoky sigil
Wasn't there a cut BFG-esque weapon
fleet flame
I find myself using every weapon in Dusk so they did something right with the balancing
wheat zinc
I used pretty much everything
but dual levers/pistols
just because ssg felt like it was a better shotgun overall
and if stuff is too far, usually AR is a better pick
fleet flame
I used those on soldiers and the stags mostly
mild chasm
You're wasting shotgun ammo if you only use the SSG for literally everything
wheat zinc
I use Assault Rifle when they are out of ssg range
royal herald
yeah for real, dualies are op as hell
smoky sigil
x2 Shotguns are good for soldiers since they OHKO
royal herald
150 damage is enough to body most enemies in two hits
mild chasm
most cases yeah it makes sense, a lot of crap is going to take two or more shots anyways so you might as well just use the SSG
however one shotgun blast instantly kills a soldier
dual shotguns work well against rats
wheat zinc
Assault Rifle also has the benefit of being a sniper if you tap fire really fast
mild chasm
etc. etc.
wheat zinc
rather than holding it down
I also umm, love the overkill effect of the SSG
turning enemies into a streak of chunky salsa on the ground
fleet flame
Speaking of soldiers the "E3 2016 Demo" in the goodies folder has ones that are more Russian-esque?
I've heard that the Dawn sdk will include stuff from that demo? (The hammer, pump shotgun, different soldiers)
In a functioning form or just as unused assets I'm unsure, or even at all
fleet flame
If they are included
I'm gonna make maps and use some of them, and just pretend in my head that the pump shotgun is "a new EXPANSION PACK WEAPON NEW ENEMIES WOAH NEVER B4 SEEN"
smoky sigil
Is Dawn going to be a separate download, or just an update?
vague egret
i believe the goal is to make it a separate tool. kinda like the source SDK in steam
fleet flame
I had an idea if the E3 Demo stuff is included, to make an unofficial spinoff set of maps set in Russia called Beyond Dusk, I dunno 🤷
smoky sigil
I'd definitely like to see an unofficial Episode 4
fleet flame
Episode 4
Reckoning of the Rats
wheat zinc
fleet flame
OH SHI-
fleet flame
Make walking sim maps that tell the origin story behind Dusk Dude's fear of frogs
wheat zinc
like making some soldiers nonhostile to you
fleet flame
Imagine setting up some of the enemy models that were used as Duskworld PMs to be able to use their colour sliders, to make interesting variants of the soldiers.etc
As enemies
wheat zinc
would like to see more soldier variety
shotgun/minigun soldiers
or one that fires a riveter
smoky sigil
Bone Balls but they're 3 times as big
fleet flame
Bone balls but they're MUCH faster and rapid fire
wheat zinc
and they are homing projectiles
fleet flame
That's hot
Replace every enemy in the game with Jakob and make him a Duskworld playermodel
wheat zinc
I want leathernecks/horrors first
fleet flame
Dusk dude playermodel
I dunno how far the modding will go but will legitimate extra episodes be moddable? Like the level selection screen, custom loading screens for those maps and all?
final estuary
Duskdude is just a unity pill
fleet flame
Highest poly object in the game
smoky sigil
Honestly, it would've been really cool if the eldritch enemies were higher-poly than the other ones
Helps sell the otherworldly aspect
fleet flame
You'll get your higher polys in Dusk 2*
royal herald
it's doomed to be awful because blood2 was bad
but dusk is blood 3, so maybe blood 4 will be amazing
fleet flame
Dusk 2 ends up being like one of those sequels that dumbs down the gameplay and mechanics like FEAR 2 was to FEAR 1
;P
An idea I want to play with in a Dawn editor map is if one of those huge sky structures in Episode 2 fell down to Earth
smoky sigil
The final boss is just a print of David's face
dapper spire
Dusk 2 is just going to be Dusk but with better graphics and David’s face instead of ||Nyarlathotep|| as the final boss
wheat zinc
after playing AE
I kinda noticed that Dusk doesn't really have alot of enemies per level ||except E3M9||
dapper spire
well AE has more bigger levels
wheat zinc
true
but that is what I am imagining a Dusk 2 to be like
where everything is bigger
levels, enemy count, enemy variety
weapons
dapper spire
Dusk but it’s bigger and there’s more enemies
and like one more weapon
wait isn’t that just Doom 2?
smoky sigil
I'd say DUSK's enemy loadout is varied enough as is, unless you outright remove some
I could see maybe 2-3 additions but idk
smoky sigil
A Rat King enemy would be pretty cool actually
dapper spire
rat got a bit stronk
fleet flame
Dusk 2 will be like the new wolfenstein's
You gotta play it like you're John Wick
Take cover and regenerate health a little bit
Most enemies are hitscan
👍
wheat zinc
I would like New Colossus more
if you can take damage that is proportional to how fast/agile you are
rather than you melting like butter
fleet flame
Yeah ugh I like the new Wolf games but the hitscan thing is annoying
wheat zinc
like The New Colossus gunplay is really satsifying
but that is based off New Order/Old Blood
smoky sigil
I might check out TNO but I'm not touching TNC
wheat zinc
so hard to fuck up in that regard
fleet flame
You can be running around like Sonic, blasting guys and then suddenly your health gets slurped through a straw
wheat zinc
thing is
TNO/Old Blood I didn't feel like I had a problem with fragility
compared to TNC
and getting ||a new body|| didn't fix the issue at all
fleet flame
And I loved Colossus' full body awareness though, on the visual side of things
wheat zinc
yeah
also apparently there are subtle animation changes in and out of combat
like how your reload is much faster and frantic in combat
compared to in combat
fleet flame
They basically upgraded everything FEAR 1 did great about full body awareness
wheat zinc
I felt like if level design was better and you was a bit more sturdier
fleet flame
That's what it reminded me of first time I played it
ionic wigeon
Hiya, new here- I see we're talkin bout TNO/TNC?
fleet flame
Yeah a bit off topic oops
dapper spire
yeah before this goes into general channel 2
dapper spire
then again, we’ve had many conversations that turned this into general 2
uh
BFG-like weapon
fleet flame
I wanna dual wield the ARs
smoky sigil
I do want to see more ||eldritch locations||
dapper spire
yes please
wheat zinc
full body awareness in DUSK 2
smoky sigil
I'm a massive sucker for ||Lovecraftian shit||
dapper spire
DuskDude talks sometimes like Caleb
wheat zinc
Dusk 2: Hell on Earth
this time the cult has gone worldwide
it spread out of dusktown
dapper spire
Dusk 2: ||Nyarlathotep|| on Earth
wheat zinc
and now you go on a globetrotting adventure through the planet
in order to reach Dusktown
and stop the cult once and for all
smoky sigil
Well, it's implied the cult already has influence in the local military
fleet flame
A while ago, I came up with a concept for Dusk 2's visuals. They could make it feel like one of those sequels that took a few years to come out, now if Dusk 1 is pretending to be from 1998-9, Dusk 2 could look like it's 2002, the PRETTY sort of 2002, like Splinter-Cell 1's graphics
Oh and my concept of a title was Dusk 2: Occult Rising
smoky sigil
So it could already be worldwide
wheat zinc
also bonus points if say Dusk 2 levels is like a mix of lovecraft and normal
merging together like realities
dapper spire
like, E3M8?
wheat zinc
yeah
dapper spire
yeah that’d be cool
ionic wigeon
If Dusk 2 is a thing, I'd like to battle it out on R'lyeh with a bunch of cultists and eldritch horrors as a final level.
Just sayin
proven bobcat
dusk 2: big johns return
dapper spire
even more lovecraftian stuff please
wheat zinc
Dusk 2
fleet flame
In Dusk 2 I want hands on the viewmodels ;>
smoky sigil
Something with Shub-Niggurath could be cool
dapper spire
but Quake already has something with Shub
fleet flame
And your sidekick is Robin Hood
ionic wigeon
Is it bad I have a conspiracy theory that The Evil in Amid Evil and the Lovecraftian stuff in Dusk are related?
dapper spire
I mean, I could see what you’re saying
dapper spire
||final boss in AE is basically Nyarlathotep but if he actually was hard||
ionic wigeon
^ facts
smoky sigil
I was gonna say Shub, since she's the Mother of a Thousand Young, might lead to cool horde scenario like ||E3M9||
But much more extensive
fleet flame
||Who would the protag of Dusk 2 be, I have a feeling poor Dusk Dude would just be a boss||
ionic wigeon
Dusk Dude...ette?
dapper spire
yeah he would be
smoky sigil
Cult defector
ionic wigeon
Idk mang
dapper spire
Dusk dude son
mild ginkgo
big john for protag of dusk 2
dapper spire
but he dead
mild ginkgo
and you get shitty arnie one liners the whole game
wheat zinc
that is just what they want you to think
mild ginkgo
that was an evil clone of big john
wheat zinc
have you ever actually checked to confirm the body?
fleet flame
Cult Defector? Sounds like any human on this Earth who has their own opinion these days
mild ginkgo
the real big john was held in a lab
proven bobcat
Dusk 2: Big john is a fucking zombie
dapper spire
Dusk 2:Now with Big John
dapper spire
Dusk 2: Everything’s gone to shit
fleet flame
Dusk 2: THE SEQUEL JAAAUGH BIG JOHN JAAAA
dapper spire
GIRLY MAN
fleet flame
Big Box Edition needs a Big John statue
mild ginkgo
smoky sigil
||I've never heard of Big John before DUSK||
mild ginkgo
hes only been in one other game anyways
dapper spire
same
mild ginkgo
ROTT13
wheat zinc
shame Big John didn't make an appearance in Amid Evil
mild ginkgo
are you sure about htat?
proven bobcat
yeah but my friend owns dusk and hasn't heard of him. no excuse
mild ginkgo
you might wanna go back and check lmao
dapper spire
||you sure about that bud?||
wheat zinc
👀
fleet flame
I hope so, viewmodel arms and weapon sway like Doom 3s but not as wild
ionic wigeon
I forgot how spoilers work aaa
wheat zinc
so if Dusk 1 looked like Quake
wheat zinc
is Dusk 2 going to look like Quake 2/Half-Life 1?
mild ginkgo
np my dude
dapper spire
probably
smoky sigil
DUSK 2, now with cutting edge RTX technology
mild ginkgo
with all the wobbly models like in quake 2
fleet flame
I'd hope it looks more like something from 2001-2
wheat zinc
I'll buy Dusk 2 day zero $60
fleet flame
Quake 2 was made of jelly, no 1s and 0s
ionic wigeon
For some reason I feel like a Cyberpunk FPS with Lovecraftian elements could be cool. Maybe not as a Dusk 2, but just in general.
fleet flame
So Blade Runner visuals except you got squids flying through the rainy, smog-ridden clouds
dapper spire
pretty much
ionic wigeon
I mean, kinda sorta yeah
fleet flame
I'd buy that for a dollar!!!
And about Amid Evil
||Haven't played it but somebody implied Big John is in it, is he or was that a joke?||
dapper spire
||it isnt||
wheat zinc
can't believe I missed Big John
proven bobcat
uh i forget how to do spoilers but what doom said is wrong lol
dapper spire
you sure?
proven bobcat
ye
ionic wigeon
...Saying it like that breadboy, sounds like it's just Forge levels of Amid Evil but with the lovecraftian skull things from DUSK.
smoky sigil
No
He's saying ||it isn't a joke||
proven bobcat
oh nvm
fleet flame
||So, Big John is in Amid Evil?||
dapper spire
||ye||
dapper spire
||good||
proven bobcat
it's in a bundle, and that's a great price
wheat zinc
I bought both DUSK and AMID EVIL full price
dapper spire
I bought AE when it was Early Access
smoky sigil
I'd buy the double pack but I want to get Amid Evil on GOG
proven bobcat
i bought dusk full price but didnt hear about AE for a while
mild ginkgo
i didnt buy any of them :(
smoky sigil
Also I doubt my laptop can run it
fleet flame
||So uh, how exactly is Big John in it? Is he an Easter Egg? A boss fight? I cannot find anything about him being in Amid Evil||
mild ginkgo
||secret boss fight||
dapper spire
||pretty much an Easter egg||
ionic wigeon
I bought both in early days and didn't even realize they were both being worked on by New Blood gang until like
After Amid Evil fully launched
I am not a smart man
proven bobcat
I'll definitely be buying the next game as soon as early access happens
tbh i just assumed dusk was one of those fluke indie gems, didn't realize everything new blood put out was gold
dapper spire
Dusk 2 when, Dave?
wheat zinc
we have a Quake/Blood inspired game, a Heretic/Hexen inspired game
what is next?
I really hope umm
proven bobcat
a minecraft inspired game
dapper spire
David makes Dusk 2 except it’s a horror game
fleet flame
New Blood is like, the Keanu Reeves of gaming to me, for some reason. I just have nothing against these dudes. They keep picking up retro-inspired gems
wheat zinc
but Dusk 1 is already pretty spooky
dapper spire
then it’s Dusk but spookier
fleet flame
||Dusk's 2nd Episode was already like Doom 3||
smoky sigil
Wouldn't mind DUSK 2 being outright horror tbh
dapper spire
I mean true
wheat zinc
if Dusk is "Quake but Spooky"
ionic wigeon
I'd love a new FEAR style game
neon dove
Dusk dating sim
wheat zinc
make it have PS1 style polygon warping
fleet flame
Need a new fear game with New Colossus' body awareness
dapper spire
I’m a pussy when it comes to horror, so I’ll be hesitant when I buy Dusk 2
wheat zinc
and you will get me real spooked
smoky sigil
||The first Horror in E3M4 already made me shit myself||
ionic wigeon
As long as I have a gun, I am almost unfazed by anything
wheat zinc
I had to use ssg there
proven bobcat
dusk just felt extremely unsettling to me, especially in the later episodes
wheat zinc
I need t oturn them into giblets
dapper spire
||E3M4 made me shit myself as soon as I broke my flashlight||
fleet flame
Yeah like I said, Dusk 2's second episode ||was basically Doom 3 in some places||
wheat zinc
||The Basement Door Opens:||
dapper spire
stop
ionic wigeon
But the ||skull face shooting things|| and the ||cowgirl abomination that shoots rockets|| makes me spooked
fleet flame
Dusk 2 will be just a Slender: The Arrival clone
dapper spire
the ||cowgirls|| weren’t that bad, the ||boneballs spoked me||
wheat zinc
like what Half-Life 2 did
fleet flame
Yes PLEASE
dapper spire
that’d be neat
proven bobcat
inb4 they do a full playthrough but they do it as a speedrun so they skip all the story and it's only like 20 minutes long
ionic wigeon
||Boneballs spooked me on what they looked liked, cowgirls spooked me because I suck at avoiding explosions||
dapper spire
didn’t David want E2M5 to be a normal Black Mesa-like level?
smoky sigil
Horrors' breathing sounds and Cowgirls' moaning spook me every time
wheat zinc
yeah
mild ginkgo
just for the record
wheat zinc
but "Labs would be boring"
fleet flame
Commentary mode in Dusk
Bumps the first node
"Hello, my name is Gabe Newell."
dapper spire
I would agree with that
mild ginkgo
maximum action's direction moving forward will take a lot of inspiration from fear
wheat zinc
thanks shillbot
dapper spire
thanks shill
wheat zinc
great
mild ginkgo
at least in gunplay and action
fleet flame
Brilliant
wheat zinc
clunky and unfinished?
mild ginkgo
its very early
wheat zinc
yeahI can tell
dapper spire
because it kinda is?
mild ginkgo
we just got to work on it
dapper spire
it’s early access
mild ginkgo
dont you worry fam, thats the first thing on our list
ionic wigeon
Yeah Max Action I'mma wait a while before I seriously get to playing with enjoyment- but I am excited for it
fleet flame
Funny as hell, it's was the most horrible thing I could think of
mild ginkgo
controls are like the next thing we're working on
wheat zinc
yay
fleet flame
Proceeds to smile like I'm constipated and in a videogame
wheat zinc
I can't give enough praise to DUSK for controls
ionic wigeon
I think the best thing about DUSK is the fact that I keep finding new things that are cool every time I play the game by myself.
wheat zinc
DUSK feels so tight and responsive
ionic wigeon
I.G. You can deflect bullets with the sickles
wheat zinc
and I am in complete control of my body
smoky sigil
DUSK is the first FPS that was actually designed with a mouse in mind I've played and i don't know if I can go back tbh
dapper spire
Dusk feels like Quake movement
ionic wigeon
That's like just, the most radical thing I've seen in a video game in a long time
dapper spire
but if Quake was on ice
proven bobcat
ice? Dusk is so grippy
dapper spire
ok maybe not ice
wheat zinc
having complete air control is a blessing
fleet flame
In a few years time, we'll all be falling off our chairs at a Dusk 2 teaser trailer
dapper spire
yes
wheat zinc
you can literally jump forward then backwards without losing an once of momemtum
it what makes dodging boneballs so fun
ionic wigeon
We're an entire new generation of boomers
dapper spire
Dusk feels like Quake but if Ranger was on caffeine most of the time
proven bobcat
not boomers, probably older than zoomers. We're moomers
fleet flame
If Dusk Dude spoke, I would want him voiced by the guy who played Max Payne
fleet flame
I dunno why
dapper spire
same
smoky sigil
Same
wheat zinc
every other shooter I played was Half Life/CoD style
fleet flame
Fellas, what was your first shooter?
smoky sigil
The only other shooter that might've been Quake-like was DOOM '16
dapper spire
my first shooter was TF2
proven bobcat
quake champions was the first old school shooter i played and i sunk 300 hours into it despite its mediocrity
ionic wigeon
Ooohhhh Wrath looks sweet
proven bobcat
the genre is amazing, so glad it's making a comeback
fleet flame
Return to Castle Wolfenstein here, when I was still in my single-digits, not even a teen yet
ionic wigeon
Idk what the first FPS I played.... I guess-
OH uh
Does anyone here know Sauerbraten Cube 2?
fleet flame
Gee I was probably 5 when I first played Wolfenstein
It's so nostalgic I can remember almost all the sound effects from it geesh
smoky sigil
Also, for first FPS, probably either Fallout 3 or Borderlands
ionic wigeon
My first FPS was either Sauerbraten or Star Wars Battlefront on PS2
fleet flame
My 2nd fps was Halo, so I was a very lucky young lad
proven bobcat
my first fps was bad company 2 i think? I can't remember. I played a lot of other genres before I touched fps
no wait, bad company 1
sly path
My first first person game was Minecraft.
ionic wigeon
...Maybe one of the Medal of Honor games now that I think about it
wheat zinc
my parents didn't raise me well and bought me Half-Life 1 when I was 10 years old
dapper spire
wow
proven bobcat
oh yeah i guess i probably played some old ass fps when i was younger but i never owned it. Played it with my uncle or something.
probably golden eye was my first if we're counting those
ionic wigeon
Thinking on it, it was probably either Golden Eye or the section in Banjo Tooie where you use Kazooie as a egg-shooting gun and gun your way through some Mayan temple.
proven bobcat
the first PC fps I got into was probably css. The one that got me into arenafps was the indie game Disco Dodgeball
dapper spire
first game that got me into arena FPS was Minecraft Quake on hypixel
ionic wigeon
PC FPS, definitely Sauerbraten
proven bobcat
lol does hypixel have a quake mode?
dapper spire
yeah
proven bobcat
that's hilarious
smoky sigil
I definitely want to check out Blood: Fresh Supply
fleet flame
A little secret for The Farm on Endless mode for those who don't know: ||One of the silos has a secret door where a single health pack, some ammo and a sword lay inside||
dapper spire
they fixed most of the bugs from release, so I’ve heard
proven bobcat
does he know about the basketball yet
smoky sigil
Ye
smoky sigil
But anyways back to DUSK
smoky sigil
What would y'all think the thematic progression of DUSK 2 would be
dapper spire
gimme more
proven bobcat
idk dusk 1 already went so hard
blissful mesa
First fps for me was Descent
ionic wigeon
Also I never played Quake, the original build engine FPS games like Doom, Blood, etc. or really anything that any of these games are inspired by please don't crucify me xP
proven bobcat
idk if i want dusk 2, the first one feels so pristine that I feel like I can just play it over and over whenever I get a "dusk" craving. Would rather they just made a new fps
tawdry cloak
dapper spire
make the full game in Maximum Action
smoky sigil
Maybe it could be a thematic sequel, like FF
proven bobcat
FF? but yeah a thematic sequel would be cool in my book
ionic wigeon
Final Fantasy?
smoky sigil
Ye, Final Fantasy
Very few of the entries are actually related, but all of them share common elements
dapper spire
Dusk 2 just has DuskDude have a SSG with a grappling hook attachment