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#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
visual aurora
wheat zinc
and that was because it just put you in the game against a whole army
with little equipment
visual aurora
I don't use "perfect" for most things
visual aurora
But Episode 3 absolutely deserved it
wheat zinc
even though E3M4 gave me pants shitting nightmares
visual aurora
question are the spoilers good to talk about now
I will say that E3M4 is terrifying
wheat zinc
I think I got past E3M4 by listening to some mega weeb shit at 200% volume
while bunnyhopping like amadman
through that terrifying hallway
visual aurora
I will say I fucking hate rats as an enemy
They are good as an enemy
but like ugh
jagged ferry
ironically i think e3ms has the only actually decent usage of rats (aside from e3m9) in that they're used in basically hordes
wheat zinc
honestly
jagged ferry
but then the level layout is just really boring anyways so like
wheat zinc
the enemies I had the most issues with in E3M9 was
jagged ferry
pbft.
wheat zinc
the soldiers and scarecrows
jagged ferry
huh
wheat zinc
||cowgirls was great because they killed everyone for me||
by comparison
their bullets very fast and hits me sometimes even when I was strafejumping
jagged ferry
that's what the bouncepads are for
wheat zinc
bouncepads felt like they murdered me too sometimes
so I just end up trying to get rid of them asap
jagged ferry
i kinda feel like the wendigos should've had backup
visual aurora
you know the thing I like about Dusk the most
jagged ferry
what
jagged ferry
i don't really think that falls under "quality of life" lmao
wheat zinc
I like DUSK because I never felt like I got killed because of the controls
visual aurora
I mean, like more than that for quality of life things
jagged ferry
i feel like dusk is just so thoroughly thought out
visual aurora
Like it just makes sense
jagged ferry
yeah not exactly the same thing tbh but i get what you mean
visual aurora
I will say the options menu is pretty good for QoL
jagged ferry
like it feels like david thought of (almost) everything
rough ivy
dusk's controls are so fucking on point
rough ivy
my only issue with them is i always end up hopping over pickups haha
visual aurora
You always have control of your character imo
rough ivy
pickups need a taller hitbox
wheat zinc
I only notice that being an issue in MP
but that might because MP is more life or death
rough ivy
MP sucks its so fast
its so lightning quick that after a 20 minute long match the top fragger will have like 8 kils
wheat zinc
I seen games with like 30+ kills
jagged ferry
oh god the rage
wheat zinc
the guy with the riveter is going to be the real terror
of a coop session
or someone bhops in front of your ssg
jagged ferry
"DUDE you INSTAGIBBED me"
"you CROSS the super, you GET THE SUPER"
crimson folio
Lets not forget telefrag shenanigans.
grand zodiac
You cross the 🅱(ig John), you get the D
gusty crescent
What’s the difference between Cero Miedo and Duskmare?
crimson folio
duskmare you always die in one shoot
spare robin
crimson folio
Dusk doesn't exist.
mild chasm
Double lies, it's cancelled
muted jolt
Dusk it's half life spookie
olive cloud
spoopie
chilly holly
muted jolt
awwwwwww
crimson folio
Dusk is spoopy
gusty crescent
I think my Dusk Dude is drunker than usual
He won't stop looking up and spinning to the left
I think my guy needs some help
mild ginkgo
thatd be a controller you have plugged in
if you go into the menu you can disable controller input
gusty crescent
That fixed it
gusty crescent
I figured out the issue with my controller!
the PS4 controller setup is completely screwed up
Time to dig in and get that fixed
mild ginkgo
yeah, basically it has to do with the axis difference between the default setup (xbox) and the ds4's implementation
i believe its the axis that L2 is on that controls up and down looking
and because the ds4 is weird that axis reads 1 when not pressed
and -1 when fully pressed
so if you hold l2 half way down you should be looking normal on the screen
gusty crescent
I'm grabbing up a download to make my computer think my ds4 is an Xbox controller
mild ginkgo
you CAN fix it with your controller config file in the dusk directory, but its incredibly unintuitive and painful
so yeah, an xbox wrapper would be ideal
serene sandal
Yeah DS4 for Windows is what you need @gusty crescent
serene sandal
Yeah just use DS4Windows lol
mild ginkgo
yeah, ds4 -> xbox wrappers in general are a good idea because tons of games prefer to use xbox
same, it was a NIGHTMARE when we were testing it lol
because it also had to support mac and linux
so it required all sorts of nonsense fuckery
gusty crescent
I'd use a mouse, if I had one
We haven't had desktops in years, and I have a laptop, so no mice needed
Plus, I'm used to controller. since I'm a lifelong console gamer
mild ginkgo
👍
visual aurora
i mean hey, the gravis gamepad was a way to play fps on PC so
proven bobcat
https://youtu.be/G1UIS1hK11I Hey guys, not sure if this is the right channel but I made a walkthrough on how to speedrun dusk all the way through
mild ginkgo
neat!
royal herald
man dude maybe when I try to do dusk with props only again it'll help
worldly beacon
Is there a Doom reference in Dusk?
graceful wing
doom? never heard of it
worldly beacon
Old Doom.
gusty crescent
I love how you can make your own visuals in this game
That’s a really cool feature
mild ginkgo
yes there are doom references
serene sandal
There are lots more DUSK references though.
crimson folio
I honestly never use auto aim even when playing console games
viral gate
Most don't give you an option
crimson folio
^ if they give me an option to use auto aim I just turn it off
gusty crescent
The AA definitely helps. This game is super speedy
crimson folio
But yeah most console games don’t let you fiddle with auto aim or aim assist
royal herald
wait dusk has an autoaim feature
royal herald
I thought auto aim died off with mouse acceleration after quake popularized multiplayer
gusty crescent
just thought it was funny when it said "console gamer
my controller doesnt do "subtle aiming", so hitting anything straight on is a nightmare
blissful mesa
Autoaim is nice for certain games, I cant stand it bc on more than one occasion I've had my cursor dead on an enemy and the shot got pulled to an unrelated target next to it
strong tendon
True
muted jolt
Nice video! @proven bobcat Really helpful for those that speedrun the game as myself watching videos of no touch the door, it's good to have a informative video on the topic
Also, here it's my clickbait photo for my speedrun on duskmare
proven bobcat
lmao the rats are so annoying. I'm glad the video is helpful to people, I know for me it was hard to learn the speedrun strats as I had to learn just by watching twan J's speedruns, and he is so fast that it's hard to keep up.
muted jolt
i waste riverter on rats
proven bobcat
probably worth, they'll mess you up
crimson folio
Moving hurtfloors.#
muted jolt
im just on the one that can pass the crushers of infermal machine just spaming space i presume
and holy molly, the ercher lab boton x-bow shoot i had no idea
proven bobcat
Yeah the infernal machine space spamming part I really messed up haha, that was embarrassing.
crimson folio
Into the Thresher is one of the best levels in the game imho
Great atmosphere, good level design
Good level progression
blissful mesa
That crazy psychedelic hell thresher tunnel is amazing. One of the best visual effects in a game filled with amazing visuals
muted jolt
lol at the x-bow joke xDDDD
proven bobcat
ahaha was wondering if anyone would watch far enough to get to that
muted jolt
just subcribed
proven bobcat
Thanks :)
muted jolt
really informative
proven bobcat
I want to try livestreaming on twitch but I have a monthly data cap on my internet so idk how feasible that is
muted jolt
yeah
blissful mesa
I'm gonna check it out after work, Toast.
muted jolt
maybe should also take a take on OOB Speedrun
some levels's have huge out of bounds skips
proven bobcat
Might give it a go, I still feel like I haven't mastered the normal speedrun yet so I want to do that first.
muted jolt
true
proven bobcat
I'm not very creative with speedrunning either, pretty much every trick in my video was taken from someone else. I just watch everyone elses vods to see what they do lol
muted jolt
welp, making this kind of video give a general sense of practice for all
and everyone practive can give they own twist
proven bobcat
Yeah that was my goal, I don't consider myself an expert runner yet but I figured I could help people get a head start and not have to watch hours of vods like I did
muted jolt
im sure there are place that can work out in different aspects
like, for exaple
myself waste a lot of riverter on E1M2
for jumping on the woods area and clear the chainsaw dudes
and going back strafe jumping and graving the 6 riverters that are there
but like it say, it's a general speedrun, nice to watch, fast information about the x-bow switch, the most dificult part aside of movement
proven bobcat
Yeah the xbow shots were the hardest to figure out for me originally since people do them so fast in their speedruns
and with youtube compression it's hard to see where they're shooting
royal herald
what is the current speedrun record of DUSK
proven bobcat
for any% Twan J has it at 19:35 https://www.speedrun.com/DUSK/full_game
crude forge
only babs play duskmare mode
im an absolute swoleboi and play in gamedude / duskboy mode
tawdry cloak
So when do we recreate Hexen and call it Dusken lol
crude forge
dusk + blood = dood
tawdry cloak
Lmao I like that
tawdry cloak
Yeah that sounds cool too, fun to say lol
Need to make sure there is a Shades pickup
crude forge
replace cigar with shades
tawdry cloak
Perfect
Put shades on -brightness +damage or something
Maybe a health boost the first time you put them on in a level
crude forge
lol
brittle lark
hupsk
muted jolt
rename strafe jump to humpsk
visual aurora
you ever just have a dream and it's you in the world of DUSK and you're jumping around and all you hear is "hup hup hup hup hup hup"
tawdry cloak
No but that sounds like a cool dream
crimson folio
Still waiting for that Dusk battle royale
royal herald
you mean the basic multiplayer mode
stable wedge
17LinuxPlayers' Battledusk
royal herald
the only difference between deathmatch arena and typical battle royale games is that dusk is way faster paced and you respawn upon death.
stable wedge
You're playing against other gnu/linux users, and everyone who loses gets rm -rf / --no-preserve-root done on their system
visual aurora
hup hup hup
the difference between dusk and other games is that only in dusk do you hear "hup hup hup" when you jump
olive cloud
@visual aurora
visual aurora
lol
I think mine was a lot less scary
besides the fact all I could say was hup hup hup
olive cloud
Imagine waking up one day going to work/school and the only thing you can say is hup hup hup
Hey Larry how are ya
Hup hup. GASP... hup?
royal herald
dusk dude can also scream and make like an "aaaauughhh" mildly dissapointed groan
crimson folio
Yeah but can I bunnyhop
royal herald
and also say "nooooooooo"
olive cloud
XD
Just bunnyhop away.
Start being a 100 meter sprinter. Duskdude can strafejump like 10 mph right?
And also HNG
gusty crescent
Just wanna give props to the devs
I think it’s really cool how you can go into the looks of the game and change the color scheme of the world. I think that’s really awesome
More games need the ability to literally tint the world to whatever color you want
olive cloud
Nah dude this game sucks
winged otter
"We need a Super Shotgun Emote"
fair mirage
winged otter
hehe
rough ivy
🙏 yeah i can see where that comes from
simple pilot
tbh i was mimicking Doom 2 SSG doing 🙏 with hands
visual aurora
Doom 2 SSG best shotgun
crimson folio
It shall never be surpassed
wheat zinc
kinda makes me want to play DOOM actually
DUSK is the first old school style shooter I actually played to completion
cosmic urchin
if youre feeling up to more retro fps madness i can't recommend BLOOD enough.
royal herald
blood is good but if you insist upon "well done," it only barely fits the category of retro fps because 90% of the time is spent peeking corners with the machine gun or alt firing dynamite off walls in order to avoid being instant killed by cultists
come to think of it the only difficulty in blood comes from the third boss and cultists. Even the third boss can be easily exploited though if you can get over the irrational fear of burning to death.
jagged ferry
"irrational" fear
cosmic urchin
ah okay fair enough, i've only played through the first episode on one of the lower difficulties at the moment. been a while since i watched pro blood so most of it will remain a surprise basically
either way its 
gleaming berry
chilly minnow
Amid Evil is about to flex on Dusk
opaque spindle
Who's Amid Dusk?
chilly hound
Still no co op in dusk? 
opaque spindle
not yet
chilly hound
Ya guys know when post launch is ?
cosmic urchin
soon™
simple pilot
dusk roadmap 
rough ivy
thats the second time youve posted that without crediting @solar olive 
royal herald
does it have the movement mod as well
viral bough
<@&249011167937298432> is the sdk out yet can i make custom maps that's all ive been waiting for
thorn trout
not yet but SOON
exotic ibex
chilly hound
Nice wad
solar olive
The dusk movement mod is a standalone mod made by Ivory duke, so I think both mod's can be eventually combined to have the maximum "doosk" experience XD
acoustic agate
there is a random room in neobabel
that you can get to with nbufo
where its just dev textures
proven bobcat
I noticed my stream link got removed, so I'm assuming it's not allowed. Sorry bout that. Can I have access to streamers den so I can post it there next time?
royal herald
gotta become a rat
royal herald
I don't think I ever uploaded this but on my first playthrough of DUSK this happened
proven bobcat
ouch lol
royal herald
the watchers were at 800 hp too
visual aurora
I am so sorry
royal herald
just one enemy left
proven bobcat
I never actually beat that level in a normal run, when I was doing my normal playthrough of the game I just found the secret and skipped it that way lol
visual aurora
Episode 3 had such good levels
royal herald
episode 1 > 2 < 3 > 1
actually, idk tbh, 1 is my favourite
it's hard to draw the line with how good the game is
but 2 is defenitley my least favourite, simply because it wasn't as memorable. Or maybe I'm just blending it all together in my head and it's really just consistent all the way
proven bobcat
Yeah I have trouble picking my favorite, 3 maybe? But I like all of them
still peak
2 had a slow start, the first few levels aren't that interesting
once u get the erebus reactor tho
opal plover
For me 2 is the meat and potatoes of Dusk
Probably because it was the one where we went the longest without getting new content
Also for me it has the most consitently good levels out of the game
random scarab
ngl erebus reactor isnt a very good level
but ep2 still probably has my fav moments
random scarab
erebus is just one big room, it never stops feeling like that
and i mean that its a big room as opposed to an actual arena. you are usually open at all times to enemies in places you cant always expect
playing through the level involves constant movement, not because you need to dodge fire but because there is constant, inaccurate fire from every direction
opal plover
Yeah I see
opal plover
I don't really get what you mean by the constant movement thing
Actually I think I kinda get what you mean
random scarab
well ill explain what i mean with doom. in that game, enemies are just constantly firing from every direction, so the movement is less dodging and more just "keep moving and you dont die"
dusk thankfully doesnt do that for the vast majority of the game
opal plover
Yeah yeah yeah I really get what you mean now
Dusk has way shorter attack wind up speeds than the og DOOM
random scarab
well i just mean new doom. the old games have the hitscan issue
opal plover
Also that whole thing is where my super hot take of Doom 2016 being more fast paced than the original comes from
still peak
the only level i dont like in dusk is as above so below
random scarab
is that the tornado one?
still peak
i legit always have issues with that level
noh
its the one where its a rehash of e3m1
opal plover
Floating islands
random scarab
ah
still peak
the floating land level is fun
random scarab
no, thats flashbacks
still peak
yeah didnt feel particularly original and they packed it very tight of enemies in spaces with no room to move
opal plover
The part where you go back to E1M1 is a great example of how to do an emotional moment without having the game stop for the lore imo
random scarab
thats funny, we have the exact opposite issue with levels
opal plover
Alongside DD's house
still peak
like i get whats its supposed to represent i just dont think it played that well
random scarab
man youre right about making an emotional moment tho
still peak
the deep lore of dusk
random scarab
very good way to set up the finale by jumping back on the hooks
still peak
dusk dude misses his mum
opal plover
Or wife
opal plover
Yeah I thought that were his parents too at first
The child in the pic is David's daughter so they could represent DD's sister
still peak
aaah that makes sense
dapper spire
welcome to the club
slow harness
Welcome to the waiting club
sharp sparrow
Me and the boys waiting for DUSK updates
slow harness
Yea I really just want SDK so I can learn how to make Brootal Dusk and dual wielding anything
And make the mortar satisfying
wheat zinc
I want whatever those Welders are using
spare hound
The mortar is already rly satisfying tbh
It's not as bouncy as the quake GL but it's pretty fine
slow harness
No
opal plover
Still think you should be able to hold down the fire button to increase the inertia like the SS cannon
crimson folio
just make the mortar the quake grenade launcher
coarse flint
The mortar is satisfying though
crimson folio
its to floaty
slow harness
It feels like the mortar is from another dimension
wheat zinc
I love mortars
slow harness
It defies gravity
wheat zinc
It always feels like I have a billion grenades
blissful mesa
WORTHY
tropic blaze
hum no soap emoji
a shame
i wanna do another playthrough on cero miedo in the near future. normal difficulty felt good, definitely made my butt pucker at certain points. last boss fight ended up being far less intimidating than i expected
then again by that point i was at full zig zag strafe bunny hopping mode
was still an enjoyable fight
and woops, i meant the cult leader, not the old one
blissful mesa
Cero miedo is where the gsme shines imo. I did a first play through on it and some rooms were slobberknocker fights. The vertical fight you have to do against a bunch of Duke Boys and flamers in E2 really fucks.me over every time I hit it
tropic blaze
flamers in cero miedo deffo seem more intimidating due to faster projectiles. im also admittedly fucking terrified of any portions involving cowgirls due to how much they set me on edge due to their damage sponginess + output even on normal difficulty
do wendigo/horrors run even faster?
ohh yeah seems like it. thats awesome
blissful mesa
Horrors live up to their name in CM. They run up on you so quixk
dim plank
cero miedo is the best way to play
crimson folio
Oh no, it’s hard
dim plank
is there a problem with that?
thin rose
Soap only playthrough when
dim plank
commit mod it in
visual aurora
I’m tempted to run a soap only playthrough
crimson folio
well you would just have to do the pacifist run until you get to the soap in the level
royal herald
Episode 1 is absolutely completeable with props only
People do pacifist runs as well so it shouldn't be any different with soap only
weary coyote
questions.
- does blocking with the sword in duskmare kill you anyways
- how would someone get the low tech acheivement on the last level of dusk
for #2 please put it in the spoiler text - I dont want to give away anything
royal herald
how to do spoiler text again
royal herald
||you can shoot the skylights with the crossbow before nylarlar is damaged enough for the cracks to appear regardless of his hp||
visual aurora
royal herald
also no, blocking with sword doesn't kill you, at least I don't think so because you can still reflect with sickles
serene sandal
visual aurora
HYPE
slate edge
ruby swift
How about translate DUSK to....Korean?
strong tendon
Hey guys, maybe Dusk to Korean?
grand zodiac
How could they forget to translate to Korean??
final estuary
take my fucking wallet, i want those sickles
thin rose
regular Korean isnt enough we must go beyond, we have to translate dusk in
h y p e r k o r e a n
crimson folio
Soon I don't have to say "SDK when?" anymore
ruby swift
<insert any game here> at DUSK, soon.
blissful mesa
If that Doosk video is any indication, I'll wonder if someone can get Back to Saturn X working with Dusk
Bc I would drop everything to play that shit
thorn trout
yeah
there's documentation in there as well
It's a complicated process
Someone more experienced with controller stuff can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this can also be done through Steam?
crimson folio
I mean i tested it. The only thing it messes is the left and right joystick controlls that get mixed up and start mooving by themselves
blissful mesa
Shit I cant remember level names, but either the one where you are on floating platforms in Dusk Dude's home, or the Escher
Escher was what made my jaw drop first time through and clued me into Dusk being something special
ruby swift
Erebus Reactor is awesome ❤
blissful mesa
Big John baby
brave egret
I love the acid inspired level design
crimson folio
I think my favourite Episode 1 level is Old Time Religion, Episode 2 would probably be the skylabs one or maybe Into the Thresher
ruby swift
the music outside of facility (A View from Below) it's calm and fits the big area.
crimson folio
And I think for Episode 3 it would have to be like, Blasphemy
The one with the tornado and the church
ruby swift
The Beginning
blissful mesa
Old Time Religion is amazing. Is that where you get the "Ashes to Ashes, Dusk To Dusk" track?
crimson folio
Yeah
visual aurora
y'all ever thrown soap at a tornado
visual aurora
soap needs thrown
crimson folio
One time, I played through Episode 1 after having some weed. When I got to old time religion and I dropped into that trap with the cultists up above, it was like I plummeted into another world, it was absolutely magical.
simple pilot
it works
in the way youve thrown everything youve got
and then you just fucking run
crimson folio
Throws the soap at the tornado
visual aurora
that moment is utterly insane with the tornado
crimson folio
"CraaaAAAAP!"
visual aurora
hahaha i forgot civvie did that
crimson folio
Can it kill Nyarlarthotep?
thorn trout
in theory
ruby swift
i think you can't go there with the soap
crimson folio
Let's find out and use the console to spawn one in
thorn trout
personally I think E3M2 is the best level in the game
blissful mesa
Is that the city?
thorn trout
it's not the flashiest but I've always been really happy with how the flow and progression worked
naw Fire and Ice
visual aurora
oooooooh
ruby swift
"and now it's snowing pixels"
simple pilot
lies
blissful mesa
Aww yeah fire and ice is cool. When you go up the stairs and the ghost demons drop on you 😱
simple pilot
everybody knows that E2M7 is the best level
blissful mesa
Is that Skylabs?
simple pilot
*Neobabel
visual aurora
@thorn trout David, what was the inspiration behind E3M9?
thorn trout
Serious Sam
visual aurora
so thats why I love that level so much
mild ginkgo
E3m2 feels the most Romero to me
visual aurora
^
mild ginkgo
I'd that makes any sense
blissful mesa
Is that the arena? That shit is so hard on CM. I love it
mild ginkgo
At one point e3m9 was titled "things get serious "
blissful mesa
Shoulda been "AAAAAAAAAH"
blissful mesa
@simple pilot I last played that level like a month ago, It's hazy
thorn trout
E3M2 is based on a level in Daikatana believe it or not lol
simple pilot
what
thorn trout
@simple pilot The inspiration behind E3MS was to emulate labor pains
mild ginkgo
E3mS has a very non meme related inspiration though
thorn trout
@visual aurora thanks!
crimson folio
lmao
thorn trout
@mild ginkgo it does! And I don't think anyone's figured it out
crimson folio
everyone knows E3MS is a jerma reference
mild ginkgo
Why not lol
visual aurora
^
simple pilot
@thorn trout thats the answer i was seeking for
visual aurora
The entire visual design of Dusk is just perfect to me
thorn trout
lemme find it
visual aurora
It's interesting, Dusk has such varied visual design which you wouldn't think all works together... and then you play the entire game
and it just... flows perfectly
I sold a friend on Dusk from one level
mild oasis
which level?
blissful mesa
Who does Rachel's Secret reference out of curiosity?
thorn trout
Rachael is my wife
mild ginkgo
Lmao
I always love seeing that one explained
It's just so unapologetically normal
Compared to everything else in the game
visual aurora
@mild oasis E1M2, she loves the swamps of the level, and a later industrial level in E2 caught her attention immediately
visual aurora
OOOH
mild oasis
nice
visual aurora
good level
simple pilot
visual aurora
Dave can I just say that Dusk is a pure masterwork of FPS
thorn trout
Thanks!
visual aurora
It just has so many ideas that just work
crimson folio
Is it from Planescape Torment?
visual aurora
Like I said, the visual design between all three chapters are all different, but they work so well together
thorn trout
@crimson folio yup
crimson folio
Naisu
visual aurora
from the font, i would've guessed Diablo lmao
crimson folio
I got athat game a while ago on Steam. Still haven't played it
visual aurora
I've heard it's good
thorn trout
Dave's actually a bigger CRPG nerd than he is a retro FPS nerd tbh
crimson folio
Is PC co-op coming with the new update?
thorn trout
no that will be after the SDK
crimson folio
Aw ok
thorn trout
reminder that according to Steam reviews Amid Evil is the best FPS on Steam
visual aurora
tfw 2 of the top 5 best FPS on Steam are published by New Blood
muted jolt
I don't want to leon dad and David mom to figth, we can make the the 2 the best.
visual aurora
That's a feat and a half holy shit
thorn trout
AE is #1, Dusk is #3
crimson folio
You should go buy it when it comes out in... 1 hour, 33 minutes and 30 seconds.
muted jolt
we will beat portal(?)
royal herald
what is number 2? Quake 1?
thorn trout
YUP AE RELEASE HYPE
visual aurora
Portal
muted jolt
portal i presume
thorn trout
@royal herald I think #2 is Portal actually lol
royal herald
portal isn't a retro fps game though what
muted jolt
it's a FPS
thorn trout
right?
crimson folio
It doesn't have shooting though. Mind it does have combat technically
And you shoot portals
visual aurora
Half Life 2 is 8th
muted jolt
thanks
royal herald
hl2 is on there just not top 5
crimson folio
Apparently the Portal bundle is rated the same as Amid Evil, but that's not a game, it's a bundle.
royal herald
whoah quake isn't even on the first page what's this bullshittery
muted jolt
maybe it's because was given free in 2008?
crimson folio
Ion Maiden is up there
muted jolt
I presume
crimson folio
Hmm, that's true
muted jolt
like you just install steam
and done
don't need to do anything else
if it was not by tf2, portal should be my first game
thorn trout
Mirror is on there lol wtf
muted jolt
edge?
crimson folio
Also, I'm surprised that Serious Sam is in sixth place. Not that I don't like Serious Sam but I've never played it. Is it really that good?
thorn trout
HL2 is higher than Postal 2 what is this heresy
crimson folio
Postal 2 is one of the best shooters ever made, not gonna lie
visual aurora
Serious Sam is a horde shooter, but it is good
mild ginkgo
There are important things to remember, like how half the games you love came out on steam before steam had a review system
thorn trout
A 99 cent game where you squirt an anime girl with water is rated higher than Lost in Vivo end me now
mild ginkgo
And how it doesnot factor in number of reviews at all
crimson folio
Holy shit, fuck off
crimson folio
Where's Lost in Vivo?
thorn trout
@visual aurora Serious Sam TFE is legit one of the best FPS ever made
thorn trout
@crimson folio page 2
muted jolt
Im waiting to summer to know if can buy lost in vivo
simple pilot
but TSE is better than TFE
muted jolt
just watched videos about it
visual aurora
@thorn trout oh my god thank you Serious sam is like in my top 5 best FPS
muted jolt
but not money
simple pilot
those reviews are fake 
crimson folio
So it is
thorn trout
Avain right now https://youtu.be/hi2Vpf_UDNk
mild ginkgo
Serious Sam is incredible
I had never played it until I started working for new blood
Then they made me
graceful wing
amid evil nightcore remix
mild ginkgo
And I was shocked
crimson folio
... Trap Shrine is better reviewed than Lost In Vivo, a game that scared the shit out of me in 5 minutes
thorn trout
@simple pilot I don't actually agree. I think TSE adds a lot but what makes TFE so awesome is how much it does with relatively little
visual aurora
^
mild ginkgo
Tfe is also my favorite
thorn trout
Most of the new gimmicks in TSE detract from what SS does well imo
mild ginkgo
Followed by 3
visual aurora
I grew up on Serious Sam
muted jolt
it's posible to this to change by the new steam layout that should come?
mild ginkgo
Don't play 2
graceful wing
2 is fine
crimson folio
Hey David. What's the best level ever made in a first person shooter?
thorn trout
I think I like 3 more than TSE but it's really close. I love all three of them.
crimson folio
I first got into Serious Sam when I played the HD TSE demo.
royal herald
E1M1 DOOM best fps level change my mind
thorn trout
I've only played like an hour of 2 and wasn't feeling it
crimson folio
Was good.
graceful wing
it's worse than the rest but it sure as hell isn't bad
mild ginkgo
That's a really tough question
crimson folio
And we can still accept that BFE was mostly bleak.
simple pilot
imo TSE QoL changes, level quality and balance makes it much better
crimson folio
Yeah
mild ginkgo
Lots of fps levels are good for different reasons
crimson folio
HL1 isn't my favourite shooter, but I will say that Surface Tension is honestly a big runner up for one of the best
simple pilot
TFE its great
muted jolt
yup
simple pilot
TSE is even better
broken badger
surface tension is fucking awesome
muted jolt
i was gonna say surface tension
broken badger
that whole game is hard af
ebon radish
oh fuck yeah surface tension's the best
broken badger
those damn soldiers take forever to kill
thorn trout
Hey David. What's the best level ever made in a first person shooter? Oh lord don't do this to me lol
I mean, I think it's hard to argue with Doom E1M1 in terms of cultural impact. But like... absolutely BEST? I dunno. I'm sure probably some Doom megawad somewhere.
royal herald
at least we agree it is in DOOM
simple pilot
MARSWAR.WAD
broken badger
i'd say the first level of halo 2
muted jolt
For fisrt level
simple pilot
(i mean its whole megawad)
blissful mesa
My favorite fps level is probably the first level of the last episode of the Valiant.wad for doom 2
broken badger
have a lot of memories with that
crimson folio
The maze full of archviles is the best level in FPS history
visual aurora
that is extremely hard to think of wow
simple pilot
(but its amaing for 1994?)
mild ginkgo
Oh no actyally
blissful mesa
I think it slaps
mild ginkgo
The best fps level is the sword probably
blissful mesa
That opening track
royal herald
tnt's first level is really good actually...
ruby swift
Doom2 - The Citadel
blissful mesa
Tnt's ost is v good
thorn trout
The best fps level is the sword probably I mean do we count Thief as an FPS?
if so The Sword is waaaaay up there
mild ginkgo
I do in my heart
thorn trout
The Sword aka Even Crazier Escher Labs
mild ginkgo
The sword is just so, so well laid out
simple pilot
there so many different amazing levels i cannot mention just one
crimson folio
List them off
blissful mesa
Unreal 1's opening level is pretty iconic
crimson folio
Tell us the best ones @simple pilot
visual aurora
Real talk, imo one of the best levels in an fps has to be something from Episode 3 of Dusk.
blissful mesa
^
simple pilot
@crimson folio where do i even start oof
muted jolt
Welp, from Dusk
mild ginkgo
It's very hard to pick a best level
muted jolt
E1M6 into the nigth, it's 10/10 one of the best way to make a early level
mild ginkgo
Because you naturally evaluate things like cultural impact as well
blissful mesa
My vote for best E3 level by far goes to the crazy shifting gravity nonsense of DD's home
visual aurora
The Great Cathedral from TSE, or The Great Pyramid from TFE is a good contender
crimson folio
Honestly? My vote is Blasphemy. It's not the most hard or elaborate level in design, but it's a very complete level imo
Start with your favourite FPS @simple pilot
blissful mesa
Dunes Serious Sam First encounter
thorn trout
Yeah there are so many amazing FP levels from 90s games I'm really hard pressed to pick a best one
mild ginkgo
Even stuff like all Ghillied up and no Russian deserve credence
royal herald
DOOM 2 Entryway was never mentioned! Impact of DOOM 1 and DOOM 2's first levels combined outweighs mostly every other FPS game out there
level impact wise
simple pilot
@crimson folio i ve plenty of favourite FPSes
thorn trout
Like, I'm opting for E1M1 just because of how ubiquitous it is, even though there are dozens of levels that are better than it
ruby swift
Doom2 Entryway it's the classic for me.
first doom game i played. that map still glorious, simple but glorious.
mild ginkgo
E1m1 is certainly just like, a great vertical slice of how to design a retro fps level
thorn trout
Dunes Serious Sam First encounter Dunes is pretty awesome, although I'd nitpick and say nothing in SS really has good LEVEL DESIGN per se, moreso just good encounter design
muted jolt
the level of McBurger on MW2 it's pretty iconic too without be political attacks
simple pilot
if you mention TSE dont forget about valley of the jaguar
blissful mesa
E1M1 of Dook 3d is pretty iconic for me. First time I saw destruction physics like that in a shooter
grand zodiac
visual aurora
It's such a hard question my god
royal herald
Poll time right
grand zodiac
what is happening here
mild ginkgo
Ravenholm too!
grand zodiac
are we having a party
thorn trout
ooh yeah Valley of the Jaguar is great
mild ginkgo
That level changed a lot
visual aurora
Because City 17 in HL2 exists
blissful mesa
Ravenholm yees
muted jolt
Amid evil episode 3 all that campain it's lit
royal herald
let's crowdsource the "best levels" of all FPS games and then take a vote on them.
thorn trout
still crazy how much of a sense of scale it has compared to other games
crimson folio
I don't really think that cultural influence really dictates a level's quality, but I will say that E1M1 is a cultural phenomenon.
coarse flint
@muted jolt i'd say it's hard to take away politics from MW2, considering those are really important to the story of MW2, and the entire Modern Warfare series as a whole.
muted jolt
maybe it's the sand or level desing
simple pilot
and the first encounter in said valley
blissful mesa
Everyone is nerding out about level design I love it
thorn trout
Ravenholm gets a lot of credit for being way better than most of HL2
simple pilot
is just amazing
mild ginkgo
That's why I picked that one lol
muted jolt
@coarse flint Im talking about the level desing of that mission. Not the context of the story
coarse flint
I like the Old Aperture levels in Portal 2.
simple pilot
i always loved Kanal Route in HL2
broken badger
i love the level design in the citadel @thorn trout
visual aurora
I mean, hell, Deus Ex first level
simple pilot
amazing introduction into fight and physics of the game
broken badger
its such a compact place while being really surreally vertical
thorn trout
OH CRAP I FORGOT ABOUT DEUS EX
muted jolt
HL2 Better that say about HL2 it's nova Prospek
blissful mesa
Oh you know what, I'm an absolute buffoon. E1M1 Blood is phenomenal.
thorn trout
I'd opt for Hell's Kitchen actually
mild ginkgo
Also CRYPTIC PASSAGE
blissful mesa
LIBERTY ISLAND BABY
blissful mesa
I used to have just the Deus Ex demo and I think I beat liberty island like 25 times
crimson folio
Honestly, my vote sort of doesn't count because I've only really played classic FPS very recently. But I think Surface Tension is definitely one of the best levels ever put into a video game.
thorn trout
Liberty Island is really good, I just think Hell's Kitchen is better
mild ginkgo
I think cryptic passages requires a more refined view retrofps to appreciate for sure
crimson folio
Liberty Island might be better though
blissful mesa
Hells Kitchen is really cool lots of branching paths
grand zodiac
best level in an fps ive played has gotta be map24: REDRUM of Revilution megawad for Doom 2
grand zodiac
anyone played that?
crimson folio
What about Quake 1?
royal herald
cryptic passages was HARD AS FUCK
strong tendon
blood was HARD AS FUCK*
thorn trout
I don't think it was harder than any of the other Blood levels
Blood is just a mean game
royal herald
nah nah, CP is on a whole nother level for me
blissful mesa
I would also make an argument for the weyland base in AVP2 marine campaign
royal herald
"too many cultists"
mild ginkgo
Personally I adore quake 1 but it's hard to pick a standout level
muted jolt
im gonna go back to work
thorn trout
ooh hey I never get to talk about AvP2!
crimson folio
So forgotten it's still full of fucking cultists
muted jolt
don't explote this chat plz
simple pilot
i dont think its even easy to pick Q1 level
strong tendon
Blood is not hard, it's mean with hitscan
mild ginkgo
Quake 1 is my favorite fps of all time I think, but much of that is personal
visual aurora
Hitscaning enemies hurt
blissful mesa
Avp2 is.awesome. it took so long to get it running on my old mac
strong tendon
Other enemies, meh
simple pilot
because everything there blends together
royal herald
imagine if DUSK had hitscanners
mild ginkgo
I was a kid sitting in front of my dad's PC having my brain melted by quake
crimson folio
And yeah I guess you're right 500. From what I played of Quake 1 it stands better as an experience than it is taken in different seperate levels
thorn trout
I'm a big Quake Ep2 fan
Ep1 is awesome also
Ep3 is weird
Ep4 is weird in a good way
mild ginkgo
It's hard to describe the things I felt playing quake for the first time
royal herald
what's the one level where you drop into a pit and there is a shambler and you most likely have an invulnerability powerup prior to entering the room
mild ginkgo
But I have warm, fond memories of it
royal herald
that level is my favourite in quake
visual aurora
are all the enemies in DUSK projectile?
strong tendon
yes
visual aurora
thank god they aren't hitscan like
thorn trout
yeah
royal herald
blood3 doesn't have hitscanners
strong tendon
Time to add Cultists from Blood in DUSK
visual aurora
John Romero be like "make the cowgirls hitscan"
mild ginkgo
Keep in mind the design challenge of having 200mph bunny hopping but also projectile enemies
ruby swift
hahahaha
mild ginkgo
It caused a lot if grief balancing the game
royal herald
y'all seen the interviews with John about EP4? He was baffled with how difficult some of the shit was like the three barons on the bridge in E4M2
ruby swift
cowgirls hitscan..... oof
mild ginkgo
And is something that is not talked about
simple pilot
if we are counting 6DoF into FPS, then level 2, 7, 9, 14 from Descent 3 is just 👌
thorn trout
here's an on brand pull:
Agroprom Underground
royal herald
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
simple pilot
Stalker?
thorn trout
ye
royal herald
yes
simple pilot
ninja'd
crimson folio
Quake is such a dark and mysterious game, when it comes to tone, that it's really hard not to have a lasting impression of it. Also. I know I sound like a pussy.
mild ginkgo
Stalker isn't fair to shrink to one level
crimson folio
But I actually don't like Erebus reactor because I die over and over
royal herald
I've just completed Call of Chernobyl storymode as clear sky, too bad we'll never see Stalker 2
mild ginkgo
It's an experience
thorn trout
@mild ginkgo yeah I know but for some reason I've always just looooooved Agroprom Underground
mild ginkgo
The combined atmosphere of everything in that game is what makes it
Yeah that's totally fair
simple pilot
also SoC is made of several big maps so its not that easy to call out the level
rough ivy
Lol I'm playing call of Chernobyl right now
royal herald
anybody want a USB full of stalker mods? you still gotta own Call of Pripyat
thorn trout
I am so conflicted about whether or not I want STALKER 2
mild ginkgo
Let stalker stand as what it is
royal herald
people said that about DOOM(2016) and it was fucking brilliant
thorn trout
I do but I don't at the same time
rough ivy
Jupiter is the best location prove me wrong
simple pilot
loved the Pripyat in SoC and CoP
thorn trout
@rough ivy you are not wrong tbh
royal herald
skadovsk holds a special place in my heart
simple pilot
and zaton
rough ivy
Currently doing an ecologist playthrough of COC because I'm a fucking nerd
royal herald
clear sky is the way to go, perfect balance of combat
mild ginkgo
Eco is great
thorn trout
people said that about DOOM(2016) and it was fucking brilliant Doom's a bit of a different situation though. Like... so much of what made STALKER magical was accidental
royal herald
you can't go to the train station without murdering everyone though as clear sky so rip
rough ivy
Same with eco :( damn freedom hippies!
crimson folio
Alright guys. I've got strawpoll open and I'm gonna create a poll for votes of the best FPS level.
royal herald
what do they even ally with other than loner faction
crimson folio
Send some suggestions
royal herald
E1M1
rough ivy
Best fps level Erebus reactor
visual aurora
shit we need a level from DUSK
simple pilot
*Neobabel
mild ginkgo
I'd be surprised if e1m1 didn't win
royal herald
it deserves to win
simple pilot
and City on the Water from Painkiller
visual aurora
First level from Duke 3D
royal herald
City on the water? what you on about
muted jolt
First level Duke 3D
royal herald
painkiller's level design was kinda lame
mild ginkgo
The fact that you can call it e1m1 without mentioning the games name and it's universally understood which game you mean says a lot
thorn trout
@simple pilot oh man City on the Water is great atmosphere. My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE Painkiller level is Old Monastery though
@mild ginkgo agreed
strong tendon
e1l1
rough ivy
Ive never played painkiller should I give it a shot
simple pilot
Old Monastery is god tier alongside City on the Water
thorn trout
@royal herald yeah the LEVEL DESIGN wasn't that great, but the atmosphere and visual design of a lot of those areas was stellar
royal herald
painkiller is good
visual aurora
Painkiller is good
rough ivy
And also ziggurat vertigo is the obvious winner of best fps level
simple pilot
PK is great imo
royal herald
I got lost in painkiller a fair bit idk why
thorn trout
Painkiller seems to be really divisive nowadays. I love it personally
crimson folio
What's ZIggurat Vertigo
strong tendon
quake secret level
visual aurora
Quake
royal herald
oh yeah that's the gravity shifting stuff in the secret level isn't it
muted jolt
Quake 1 Leve l4
simple pilot
Painkiller is Quake/Serious Sam
rough ivy
Nice
simple pilot
in a nutshell
simple pilot
can you pick more than one?
rough ivy
Ew no not surface tension miss me with that shit
thorn trout
The Haunting from Blood
royal herald
scroll up we've listed like 1 trillion levels
rough ivy
Should be weve got hostiles
Surface tension is trash and everyone forgets the second half which is awful
royal herald
Minecraft: the nether
mild ginkgo
Really the haunting?
rough ivy
Meanwhile weve got hostiles is 👌
muted jolt
welp im gonna go out on heavy rain
mild ginkgo
Upon Returning to it in bloodfs I was shocked to realize how poorly designed the haunting is
broken badger
oh yeah we got hostiles is great
muted jolt
in real life, not left 4 ded
broken badger
THANK YOU THE HAUNTING sucks ass
crimson folio
We doing one per game or should we have mutliple levels per game?
broken badger
i cant believe civvie liked that map
simple pilot
per game
royal herald
one per game
simple pilot
one*
rough ivy
@crimson folio the poll should instead be a Google poll where ppl can enter their own level alongside the chosen levels
mild ginkgo
It doesn't suck, but it has a pretty blatant soft lock in it
simple pilot
because theres too much good stuff
broken badger
its so overly mazelike and huge
mild ginkgo
And that kind of shit can ruin an experience
royal herald
the train level of BLOOD is > haunting
broken badger
reminds me of some halo 1 levels
mild ginkgo
If you have soft locks you have problems
crimson folio
We want Haunting or Phantom Express for Blood's entry?
mild ginkgo
Can we just put like "pick a level from blood lol"
rough ivy
I'm going back to stalker if yanov/Jupiter doesn't win the poll I'm leaving
broken badger
whichever one is the train level
crimson folio
royal herald
poll title rename: "Which videogame has the best FPS level in it?" now we just name a game
mild chasm
Neobabel isn't what I'd have picked for Dusk
crimson folio
Alright. What do people want for Dusk?
royal herald
once we know which game it is from then we can narrow it down
simple pilot
Neobabel
crimson folio
We all know Erebus is a fan favourite
mild ginkgo
That might be a good idea @royal herald
rough ivy
Erebus reactor
grand zodiac
e2m1 hello
visual aurora
^
mild chasm
Personally I'd go with either E3M1 or Erebus Reactor
visual aurora
the fall broke your flashlight
mild ginkgo
I'm an e1m3 guy
simple pilot
Old Religion ❤
rough ivy
Erebus reactor erebus reactor
simple pilot
cutty mines is okayish for me
mild ginkgo
Many people do
proven bobcat
I don't think I can pick a favorite, I love so many levels in dusk
rough ivy
Escher labs
grand zodiac
why are we even discussing, e2m1 is obviously the best
crimson folio
Old Time Religion is a masterpiece
rough ivy
Anything but e3m9 really
royal herald
E3M9 is great
ruby swift
"The Ratacombs are not everyone favorite level. Let's just leave it at that"
rough ivy
Shadow warrior sucks
royal herald
I like ratacombs and E3M9
mild ginkgo
I think cutty mines is the moment for me when I realized how brilliant David can be with limited resources
visual aurora
fuckin ratacombs
royal herald
shadow warrior has nothing notable level wise
simple pilot
but Shadow Warrior is bad
visual aurora
Cutty Mines is cramped but I love the level for that
rough ivy
Ya cutty mines is pretty great
simple pilot
shadow warrior has good maps but in the mission packs lol
royal herald
for me cutty mines would be really great for any game genre OTHER than retrofps
crimson folio
Vampire the Masquerade? Or is that more an RPG
royal herald
if you played through STALKER and it was mutants
rough ivy
Gotchs
rough ivy
Ok back to COC bye guys
rough ivy
Quake 2 big gun
royal herald
I just want Quake 2 without mouse smoothing
rough ivy
Source ports my boy
simple pilot
i was thinking about SiN but i havent found the way to secret levels
so cannot tell
rough ivy
Sin has very forgettable levels
simple pilot
it has 2, good water levels
rough ivy
Amid evil E5M3 anyone?? The crucible of pain
simple pilot
great bank heist
crimson folio
visual aurora
oh no do we have to do best multiplayer level after this
simple pilot
that was fun
crimson folio
Volcanic Island?