Its funny to rush all over the map looking for bottles, pipes and boxes to throw at it
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
rose hound
I threw two tires, a wooden box and two pipes
It's a shame there is no kitchen sink
jagged ferry
tbh cigar is just holstering for chads
royal herald
wait DUSK has a holster option
mild ginkgo
yes
spice knot
I use it all the time
rose hound
It also has a center view button
proper spade
Wait what
rose hound
I think it was C
queen coral
well, I've coded wallrunning by mistake when doing rangerhup and now I know you can do wallruns easily with just a simple sphere test + some IK
so action dusk maybe?
proper spade
I never got into bhopping maps or anything but that scene will be really interesting in dusk
untold elm
Its definitely not going to be as impressive though with how b-hopping works in DUSK.
but I can see it happening none the less.
jagged ferry
i wonder if people will make the courses stupidly complex to compensate
i could see that happening tbh
proper spade
yeah, there's also rivet jumping so it could get crazy
reef pecan
@queen coral By wallrunning do you mean that thing where you can jump on any slope
queen coral
@reef pecan nah, like, full on running on walls
reef pecan
well yeah, you can walk on them too
queen coral
it was a shitty logical mistake on some ladder code I was writing
ended up making every wall a ladder
queen coral
and since it wasnt fully implemented it looked like some F2P game's idea of what wallrunning is
reef pecan
that sounds like with a little tweaking you could make it into an actual game mechanic
queen coral
quite easily yeah
make wall accel = 1.2x ground accel and lower gravity
boom, you got wallruns
cheap and easy
100% disgusting
reef pecan
i like dusks idea of wallrunning
which is where you can jump and walk on anything that isnt 90 degrees
fun fact
reef pecan
in the tunnel at the end of e2mS
queen coral
😄
rose hound
Fuuuuuuck. I can't fucking find the soap on Erebus reactor. I can't believe it ain't in a secret
I want the achievement so hard
queen coral
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh isn't it on the outside?
opal plover
It's not
queen coral
yeah I'm likely misremembering
rose hound
Need to vent
queen coral
oh ok
queen coral
2secret4secrets
jagged ferry
i love how you can just jump up any wall that's at an obtuse angle to the ground
or acute if you go from inside the wall
queen coral
Dusk doesn't really give much of a shit about physics
jagged ferry
yeah and it's great
queen coral
as long as it's fun to play, that's how it works
jagged ferry
oh, i can literally disintegrate entire fucking cars by hitting them with a rivet?
cool
rose hound
It's Skyrim physics
jagged ferry
except less buggy
mild ginkgo
fun > all other things
jagged ferry
an alternate universe where everything is the same but dusk enemies can ragdoll
queen coral
fun >>>>> momentum
jagged ferry
walls:
dusk dude: i'm just gonna pretend i didn't see that.
proper spade
I hope it's like hl2 ragdolls where their bones just dissapear
opal plover
Ragdolls would work in Dusk if it happens after the death anim
jagged ferry
true
opal plover
Because death anims are 100x more violent
mild ginkgo
ragdolls were in dusk
queen coral
wtf
jagged ferry
👀
jagged ferry
damn now i wish ragdolls had been an option in dusk
opal plover
Never forget the lass
jagged ferry
seeing a wendigo just go flying after getting hit with a super shotgun would've been hilarious
queen coral
I want to see cloth PhysX on mages & bread bag heads
jagged ferry
wait a sec.
queen coral
sorry let me correct that
opal plover
Different enemies have different ragdoll weights
queen coral
for that NVIDIA flavor
opal plover
So you can just launch horrors into the air by crouching and shooting upward
queen coral
boo
mild ginkgo
:P
queen coral
it uses PhysX and I see no rope physics on that cart dog, where's the feature creep man
opal plover
Also speaking of is the mystery that leathernecks corspes have physics of item pickups still a thing
mild ginkgo
stable framerate > gimmick physics
it doesnt have the physics of item pickups
item pickups fall in set intervals
the leathernecks falls slowly
opal plover
Ah
mild ginkgo
its stilly funny and tbh ive never looked at why thats happening
my guess is it has some stupid high friction or something
jagged ferry
"||jakob||"
"i'm trying to have physics"
"but i'm DUMMY THICC"
"and the size of my cheeks is slowing me down due to air resistance"
opal plover
How about a hint
queen coral
yeah man, take your time, do it cleanly
rose hound
But I already spoiled me a soap spot with a walkthrough once
jagged ferry
oh
rose hound
So I guess I can't pretend to be doing it right anymore
jagged ferry
that's what you meant
rose hound
Well that and also I saw civvie series so he spoiled me like 20% of the secrets anyways
jagged ferry
lmao
queen coral
reminds me that I gotta watch civvie's doom compilation
Dusk, Sigil, proper Eduke32 blood implementations & a remaster announced
so much retrofps goodness I can't even recall it all
oh also Quake 1.5 cant forget that, great stuff
rose hound
I get what's happening, this is a boss level, so the soap is kind of extra special. Not that big John is a particularly hard one, but still
Quake 1.5?
rose hound
Wait. I... Don't remember if I already touched the soap on Escher labs now. Fuck.
Will see a walkthrough for that one, see if I remember it.
jagged ferry
tbh the level select screen really needs an indicator for if you've found its soap or not
opal plover
E2M6 soap is not that special, did you try restaring the level? Not to spoil anything but it might have gotten in some random place due to physics
jagged ferry
literally one of the very few qol changes i can think of for this game
and it's a menu indicator for bars of fucking soap
opal plover
Also you should check out Quake 1.5 if you haven't
jagged ferry
hmmm
rose hound
Is it in open ground? Cause I fought a lot of welders on that map
An unlucky explosion may have sent it all over the place
opal plover
It's not in a welder's reach
queen coral
good name
opal plover
You could have just knocked it somewhere by walking into it though
jagged ferry
@queen coral join us
rose hound
Oh wait the soap in Escher labs is at plain sight
opal plover
Ye
opal plover
You can't handle thousand dollars lab equipment without clean hands
queen coral
@jagged ferry like this?
opal plover
ONE OF US
jagged ferry
yes
ONE OF US
(i haven't even played quake 1.5 i just thought the fact that everyone was recommending it to the same guy was amusing lmao)
simple pilot
is quake 1.5 supposed to be inferior quake 2?
opal plover
Nah
jagged ferry
👀
rose hound
Like this?
jagged ferry
🔫
queen coral
wow rude
rose hound
Oh by the way. I just restarted the level on the lowest difficulty, and wanted to say something about that:
opal plover
Half life is actually the prequel to second life
queen coral
jesus christ no
rose hound
Guys, thank you for not making the lowest difficulty an embarrassing title
opal plover
Ye
rose hound
I mean, there are people out there who for one reason or another can't play on a higher difficulty
queen coral
second life is a scary e-place
rose hound
Maybe they are too young, but maybe they are senile, they suffer from reflex issues, mental issues, elderly, perhaps even Parkinson. It's not fair to make them feel embarrassed for playing in a lower difficulty.
queen coral
Wolfenstein's difficulty naming is sorta cute
rose hound
So thanks for calling it "accesible" rather than Doom's description "this difficulty is for babies and elder" and what not
opal plover
Also game journalists
queen coral
even if it's a major asshole's slap in the face for people who have a lil' more trouble with gaming than others
"dm, cm, <...>, acessible, dean's difficulty"
pidgeons all play on cm btw
jagged ferry
did you just call me a pidgeon
queen coral
nonono you got that backwards
opaque spindle
ur a god damn pigeon
come at me reb
opaque spindle
rose hound
Fucking piece of shit I found it
rose hound
It was were it was meant to be
Thankfully I hadn't kicked it or it would have been impossible to find
But I didn't see when I passed through that area
I, ironically, restarted the level and found it, then loaded the savegame and it was there
So restarting wasn't really necessary, but somehow helped
opal plover
You got any other soaps left?
rose hound
All of them from here onwards
This is my second run on the campaign, in the first (I did on "I can take it") I just went for finishing the gsme
Now (on "cero miedo") I am going for completitionist + soaps + Rebeca and lavender
Found Rebecca, still missing lavender, and still missing all completitionist and soaps from neobabel onwards
opal plover
*Rachael
rose hound
Really? I could have sworn it was... Nevermind, yes, that
Gotta say so far, I like I have never felt any secret was "unfair"
As in, wall hugging is not necessary to find secrets
Unlike Doom for instance
crimson folio
Hey, I don't like that you guys don't track everything
rose hound
E1 I found all
opal plover
E1M10's texture alignment is very subtle
mild ginkgo
what do you mean by that?
mild ginkgo
track everything?
opal plover
@crimson folio
rose hound
I know what you mean. I found it. I soaped it
mild ginkgo
we not only dont track everything
rose hound
Only secret I felt was somewhat unfair was the soap on E2MS
mild ginkgo
we track literally nothing
crimson folio
and it says " I dont like this. How do I opt out? "
Well I don't like it!!
Track everything!!
mild ginkgo
oh you mean the discord
rose hound
Track me daddy
vague egret
oh you're talking about our discord bot
crimson folio
I'm bored. anyone want to play
opal plover
The demon's name is surveillance
crimson folio
NSA's
vague egret
royal herald
If you are looking to start up a game on DUSKWORLD, then you can use the #454345257027502082 channel.
If you do not have access to #454345257027502082, then head on over to #lfg-signup.
Once there, click on the 
reaction icon. When you click this, the server will assign you to DWLFG.
Now that you have the DWLFG role, you can hop into the #454345257027502082 channel.
When you arrive, there are plenty of people to play a game with, and you can even use @ here, (minus the space, of course), to find players looking to play DUSKWORLD.
@crimson folio
vague egret
yup. we sure do track everything
rose hound
@wdym
royal herald
nope
mild ginkgo
that used to be a thing
crimson folio
so we can just @usa
mild ginkgo
buuttt that just didnt work very well
royal herald
nope. just @ here
crimson folio
but there's 9 trillion people in the server
opal plover
Actually I still technically have the asia role right?
proper spade
For some reason dusk doesn't run well if I haven't restarted my pc recently
royal herald
only about 500 play DWorld
crimson folio
@asia
vague egret
alright keep it dusk related
rose hound
Also, on the "not dickish design" of dusk:
Environmental dangers ain't hard to dodge
The one that has the most is the thresher, and it ain't hard
queen coral
there's only one real platforming session and it doesn't instalkill you on failure
absolutely insanity
royal herald
in duskworld there are some pretty annoying ones to avoid, but that's only because of the fact that you spawn with full momentum right next to them after death
rose hound
Ye, I know what you mean
opal plover
Imagine if falling in E3M7 killed you
opal plover
Also it's nice that it teaches you that falling doesn't kill you
royal herald
fall damage has no place in videogames tbh
unless it's like a central piece to the game
queen coral
fall damage and platforming puzzles
try doing that with your keyboard or a joystick
absolutely fun times
rose hound
Platforming puzzles? Without jumping mechanics?
queen coral
hexen had jumping my man
rose hound
Oh my bad
royal herald
DOOM parkour is worse
rose hound
I thought jumping was introduced with quake in the ID engine
royal herald
nah,it just wasn't part of DOOM
queen coral
both Hexen & Strife (both are on the doom engire btw) had it, and it really makes me appreciate how E3M7 doesnt autokill you on failure
royal herald
there isn't any reason DOOM couldn't have had a jump in it if we're being honest
rose hound
Did they have bunnyhopping too?
royal herald
no bhop
rose hound
Oh, so that bug was born in quake
royal herald
yeah, because physics
rose hound
Or well, in ID Tech 2
So bhopping was a thing in all ID Tech 2 games onwards with 3 & 4, and many engines developed based on ID Tech 2 inherited the bug (like Source)
But none of this games used bhopping as a feature itself?
Did no game before dusk consider bhopping an actual feature?
queen coral
many actually
royal herald
yeah quite a lot
opal plover
Ye
queen coral
quite a few arena shooters
opal plover
Quake 3 for one
royal herald
painkiller comes to mind for some reason to me
rose hound
Painkiller? Is that ID Tech 3? Or Source?
queen coral
the idea of painkiller being "very recent" is funny
queen coral
thats why
rose hound
Well it's one of the last fps ever made... Before the genre died
It's recent enough in my opinion to be called recent
jagged ferry
i mean it's relatively recent if you're comparing it to literally doom ig
but very is a stretch
rose hound
When is the SDK coming out?
royal herald
rose hound
I wanna see what modders will do with this
mild ginkgo
idk like summer
royal herald
wtf that's the
mild ginkgo
thats the target
royal herald
what
rose hound
Have you seen the kind of stuff people do on Doom?
royal herald
yo we've never gotten a release date expectation
mild ginkgo
no and you still dont
jagged ferry
🤔
royal herald
enough confirmation bias for me
rose hound
And like, I don't mean brutal Doom or Russian overkill. I mean fucking golf and bowling
On doom
jagged ferry
if the sdk comes out on specifically june 9th (which i seriously doubt it will) i will be an immensely happy lad
mild ginkgo
royal herald
sdk comes out exclusive to epic store
jagged ferry
quakeflip
royal herald
sorry fellas
mild ginkgo
whats june 9th?
jagged ferry
johnny depp's birthday
mild ginkgo
well that wouldnt matter, the sdk is open source
rose hound
@jagged ferry and that matters cause...?
royal herald
so if it's open source, where can I find it
mild ginkgo
well, you wont get a target date for a while, or even a promise, but you can have an idea of when we're thinking ish
well it will be open source when its done :P
royal herald
darn
royal herald
one of y'all has to have posted on stack overflow at one point
oh welcome to tomorrow
rose hound
Is this the world of tomorrow?
royal herald
yes, 00:00
rose hound
Listen,I am from the future, the future... Of 01:00
royal herald
not DUSK yet though
rose hound
So how do you rule "beneath" dusk?
royal herald
with new game+
opal plover
^
rose hound
Is it like, you are king from 5 to 9 or something?
royal herald
yes
mild ginkgo
i think the only links that exist right now are secret gists
so youd have to just, guess the url
royal herald
what goes on in DUSK's general voice chat
rose hound
Also I won't deny, I am ever so slightly disappointed to not have found Caleb's tomb
queen coral
everybody there is just saying "hup" over and over again
rose hound
They are bhopping
royal herald
bhupping*
opal plover
You can find another Caleb's @rose hound drawing
rose hound
Already did. Yeah
That was such a cute story too
Also, I was kind of disappointed they didn't actually make a boss out of his idea (intoxigator but with melee)
And then I found E3MS
That was cute
queen coral
I'm disappointed at the lack of Intoximice
reef pecan
tbh
opal plover
There's a tiny Intoxigator (Young son of intoxigator?) in E1M3
reef pecan
for a game so oriented around movement i find the levels which are just dm maps with enemies kinda boring
like erebus reactor and e3m9
the exploration and peeking around corners for enemies is fun
opal plover
What about E1M7?
reef pecan
oo what level is that?
opal plover
Dead of the night
Which I think is the E2M6/E3M9 of Ep1
Honestly I think it works because of the contrast between the levels
queen coral
which is funny, because I found these maps to be a great change of pace
rose hound
@reef pecan have you bunnyhopped?
opal plover
As in E2M5 was pretty tight
rose hound
Cause like, if you have, that's the fun of erberus reactor
queen coral
Erebus is like, hupping dreams come true
reef pecan
yeah that level is kinda fun
but thats because half of it is shooting shit
the other half is like
rose hound
Bhopping and mopping the floor with them
reef pecan
finding keys and opening doors and going into rooms
like i dont like the first half of e2m1 but i like the rest of the level
well it's not fun when you're on duskmare and u can barely leave the first area before getting pwned
queen coral
church was still my favorite map tho
queen coral
yep
opal plover
There's 3 churches in Dusk
queen coral
the huge-ass tornado
queen coral
blasphemy thats the one
reef pecan
e3m4 is my favorite level in the game, but i like e2mS a lot too
opal plover
Yeah because there's the iron cathedral and old time religion too
rose hound
E2MS is awesome
queen coral
circling around that staircase, blasting off enemies while the music would slowly build up
hoooooly shit man
rose hound
Except if you are going for the soap challenge
reef pecan
e3m4 has some great mechanics
the movement in the level is quite restrictive which means u always feel like ur in a corner not matter how good ur weapons are
rose hound
I hated E2MS soap. I spoiled it to me by googling it cause I couldn't find it by the love of me
opal plover
Also the riveter rampage at the end of E3M5 is awsome
reef pecan
and i like how ur flashlight is broken for a good chunk of the level
almost all of the broken flashlight sequences are rlly good for something that sounds like a very bad mechanic
opal plover
Too many people stay in the tiny corridor at the end of E3M5
Yeah E2M8 is the best example imo
queen coral
brimstone ghetto is a really fun map to route if you're into that
shooting for all fasthands on Duskmare is a fun challenge
it's the only place in the game I know where you can go from 50 to 0 shotgun ammo in a second
w/o cheats
opal plover
E2M10 too
jagged ferry
when you get 2 or more fast fire tokens
"semi automatic double barrel shotgun"
plot twist: the assault rifle isn't full auto, it's semi automatic and dusk dude is just the best at bump firing and that's why the ff totem* works with it
also just realized i said token instead of totem
that's epic
dim plank
blasphemy's second half is legitimately one of my favorite moments in any game i've played
you walk in, drop down the fuckin spiral and the soundtrack just starts fucking going ham
dim plank
and if you're good enough at the movement it's such a fluid moment
jagged ferry
my favourite weapon pickup in any game (like a specific spot with a weapon) is the super shotgun in e3m4
just
"Hello, old friend"
reef pecan
dude i cannot and will not get over how good this games engine is
im on duskmare and i didnt have a riveter
and i was having trouble against big john
so i went back to the main area
grabbed one of the orange explosive barrels
jagged ferry
and it was even better the first time because i picked up the super shotgun while i was getting chased by the fucker on the stairs and i gibbed him and then read the pickup message
reef pecan
pistoled it to set it on fire
set a crate on fire
and just chucked it at him
and ran away
jagged ferry
lol
reef pecan
literally just set a barrel next to a crate
sniped the button
used the barrel as a campfire
threw the dusk equivalent to a molotov cocktail at the dude
and the game lets me do that
jagged ferry
i can't even imagine playing the whole game on duskmare intruder
reef pecan
like honestly a game like breath of the wild is
you can do a puzzle one way
but you can do it a bunch of different ways if ur smart with the physics :)
if ur smart with the physics you can make a catapult
jagged ferry
i did a lot of skips on my intruder run
reef pecan
how many games let you set a crate on fire and throw it at an enemy for an easy kill
and reward you for thinking that way
jagged ferry
like on e2m5 i brought like half the population of the reactor with me to the big john arena because i had like jack shit for ammo
and while they were fighting i slipped through to the exit
or well
i was waiting for one side to die so i could finish the other off
and then i thought "wait what the fuck am i doing i can just leave"
reef pecan
if i made a dusk mod
i would make fire a big mechanic
like add a lot of torches so that players can just like
set shit on fire
jagged ferry
flamethrower?
reef pecan
make wooden structures that ppl can set on fire if they really want to
jagged ferry
Luigi the Arsonist
opal plover
Burning the E1M3 church
reef pecan
like "yeah these enemies are grouped up in a wooden barn but what if you threw a torch at the platform theyre standing on"
jagged ferry
"BURN
BURN, YOU RELIC OF CONVENTION"
reef pecan
dude i cheese every enemy i dont want to fight by finding a way to set them on fire
i legit scoured the land for a barrel that would let me set a crate on fire
and used it to kill big john
jagged ferry
literally luigi the arsonist
reef pecan
ya i might get charged with arson sometime soon idk
jagged ferry
another skip i did was i killed the 3 rats at the end of e2m9 with the crossbow
then just fucking sped to the buttons before i got totally got
that's how intruder works
¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef pecan
I was going to say that a cool mod would be some kind of prop launcher that would let you pick up props and more precisely chuck them
then I realized that every game that has props
has a very similar mechanic
gravity gun in half life
jagged ferry
that's
reef pecan
that kind of shit
jagged ferry
yeah that's the gravity gun
reef pecan
like im pretty sure doom 3 has some version of the gravity gun
like it would be out of place in the base game
jagged ferry
napalm launcher but it's a soap launcher and the ammo is the soap bars in the levels
also doom 3 doesn't
doom 3 resurrection of evil does tho
opal plover
And it picks up projectiles
opal plover
That would be fun in Dusk
jagged ferry
lmao
reef pecan
like it would be out of place in the base game, but imagine a gun where its like
reef pecan
"i want to throw this wooden plank at somebody but have nowhere to store it"
and then you can just load it into the prop gun
save it for later
throw it at whatever u want
jagged ferry
"REVERSE, CULTO"
reef pecan
yes let duskdude catch projectiles if you press e extremely precisely
jagged ferry
"i want to throw this wooden plank at somebody but have nowhere to store it"
and then you can just load it into the prop gun
save it for later
holy shit
so like a gun that just takes literally any physics object as ammo if you want it too?
reef pecan
that would be so much fun
jagged ferry
that
reef pecan
once again very out of place in the base game
opal plover
The smaller the object the faster it gets thrown
So the smaller object are like super fast
reef pecan
what else you could do is just kinda have like an inventory where you could keep random shit
I think that would work better in a mod thats like
opal plover
Like the scribblenauts backpack lmao
reef pecan
less levels but maybe theres like a hub world or like really fuckin big worlds as levels
opal plover
Yeah
reef pecan
so it would double as like
a place you keep random keycards you can use throughout the hub
and also a place you can put ur boulders
if you want to throw them at ppl
jagged ferry
ashes 2063 but it's the dusk equivalent
🤔
unrelated ik but just popped into my head for some reason
reef pecan
i mean when you ask someone to mod the base engine of dusk its a pretty blank slate
you can do quite a lot with it
reef pecan
i also want some kind of prop that you can use as a melee weapon
opaque spindle
2 hours 22 minutes and 13 seconds
jagged ferry
lol
jagged ferry
that'd be cool
reef pecan
you can wiggle ur mouse violently to smack people with it
it could be really stupid like a fish or something
or what if you could like pick up a chainsaw like the one in e1m1
and you could hit ppl with that
jagged ferry
but yeah tbh hideous destructor is the epitome of "thanks, i hate it"
like it's incredibly well made but it's for masochists. it's just for masochists. there's no other way to put it
also oh shit the chainsaw idea
reef pecan
but the downside is that because its a prop you cant use other weapons when you have it on you
like half life 2 has a few sections where you can press e to use a machine gun which is basically just a prop
jagged ferry
part of me wishes the super shotgun's spin was a chainsaw swipe and the dual shotguns fired faster but at the same time all the guns are balanced so well that'd probably make the biggest mess of things
the dual shotguns just seem kinda slow to me. like the rhythm is good but why am i waiting until i'm done spinning one shotgun to fire the other
reef pecan
a habit ive picked up on recently is whenever i'm idly doing things like walking around the level not shooting at stuff
jagged ferry
like what's the point of having two if i'm just gonna wait for the first to be ready to fire anyway
reef pecan
i just scroll on my mouse wheel while hitting the r key
constantly spin different weapons
it looks cool
jagged ferry
dusk juggler
reef pecan
also dusk weapon spin tier list
mild ginkgo
ssg > hunting rifle > all other weapons
mild ginkgo
yeah the mortar one is good
reef pecan
because it doesnt take up screen space and it looks cool when you pull it out
jagged ferry
i think the hunting rifle is my favourite spin
mild ginkgo
feels good to spin then thwack out a grenade
jagged ferry
it's just ENTHUSIASM
reef pecan
yeah
i like the assault rifle because it's a vertical spin and the gun in really thin so it doesnt take up much screen space
so after you shoot a bunch of things you can spin it and it looks nice
jagged ferry
i like mashing r as hard as i can to see how little i can make the gun spin by cancelling it
with another spin
reef pecan
i really like being able to spin my guns without it taking up the whole screen so im not a fan of the hunting rifle and the riveter
jagged ferry
as hard
as *fast
well i have my gun size at like what
.75?
so for me it's not too bad
reef pecan
i have it at 0.80
jagged ferry
hmmm
but yeah when i get the ssg i rarely ever use the regular shotgun(s) for as long as i have it
reef pecan
im pretty sure the weapon tier list itself goes like
jagged ferry
like idk it just doesn't feel like it has the range to justify using it over anything else
imo
reef pecan
riveter > crossbow > assault rifle > ssg > sword > everything else based off my current duskmare playthrough
the crossbow is rlly high up because if you figure out the angles for it you can abuse the fuck outta it
jagged ferry
for me (i only play on cero miedo) it's like
riveter = mortar > crossbow > assault rifle = ssg = hunting rifle > sword > everything else
reef pecan
i love the concept of the crossbow, it's literally a gun that finishes fights before they even start if you have map knowledge
jagged ferry
the mortar can actually be stupidly helpful
reef pecan
its not a combat weapon it's just like a strategy weapon
jagged ferry
especially against bone monks or in the ||jakob|| fight
reef pecan
oh i just use the hunting rifle for bone monks
i totally forgot to rank the hunting rifle
jagged ferry
i usually use the hunting rifle
but when they get closer to the ground i swap to the mortar
reef pecan
it's on par with assault rifle
jagged ferry
because it just has wayyy more ammo
reef pecan
kinda depends what enemy ur fighting
reef pecan
the assault rifle is crazy good
jagged ferry
it's very good all around but it's a bit vanilla so i don't like to use it too much
though tbh
basically made for fast fire
reef pecan
i feel like in fps games there's usually a default gun that you click on whenever ur idling like in doom 2016 whenever im not doing anything i have one of the two shotguns out
not like the plasma rifle
or like the rocket launcher because splash damage
in dusk my default is always the assault rifle bcuz it shoots things really good
jagged ferry
i usually have the super shotgun out
just in case i round a corner and "OH GOD"
which usually doesn't happen
because i've beat the game 3 fucking times now
but still
plus i just like the ssg
¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef pecan
what is your favorite
reef pecan
hmm
jagged ferry
but yeah the first--ok well second time i picked up a fast fire totem
i basically instantly switched to the assault rifle
like my instinct was just "IT'S YOUR TIME"
i honestly find it hard not to use the assault rifle when i pick up a fast fire totem
like you have a fairly accurate gun that does decent damage and has a good amount of ammo
and then you make it fire 800+ rounds a minute
(idk if it actually fires that fast with a totem but it feels like it does)
queen coral
this is my favorite fast fire token moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SxUGd4g-5M
jagged ferry
holy shit
queen coral
I managed to get +1 after recording that, but I didnt record
queen coral
and after getting the extra two on the end there's just no point in getting more, its just too fast
reef pecan
i never pick up totems period
opal plover
Y
jagged ferry
david: "hey so we have fast fire totems right. why don't we make them fucking stack"
reef pecan
like i always say that ill save it for later
and like
ill pick one up later in the fight
then i just
dont
the way i can fix this is by walking into it to pick it up
queen coral
I had that mentality in the past, in like, shadow warrior/blood
when I decided to just go ham these fps games just became far more fun
jagged ferry
i have that mentality with the explosive weapons in dusk
and the energy weapons in half life
queen coral
its a normal pistol zombie? this is a bfg? who cares
jagged ferry
though it's a lot more lax in dusk
queen coral
go boom my friend
jagged ferry
because i mean
i actually use the explosives in dusk
because there's times where i actually REALLY FUCKING NEED THEM
like a swarm of bone monks for example
but in half life it's like
jagged ferry
"ok i have these energy weapons but i can one tap vortis with the revolver so what even"
and i only end up using the tau cannon on nihilanth
but not the gluon gun for some reason
in half life my energy weapon usage is basically like this
tau on the houndeyes in that one room in questionable ethics, the helicopters in surface tension, and nihilanth
and then the gluon gun on that one room when you exit the elevator in lambda core right after you get it
and then like
never again
they're fun, but 100 ammo is just nothing
jagged ferry
"did half life 3 die? or was it murdered"
i almost lost my balance and face planted into my desk lmao
queen coral
took me a bit of routing to get it perfectly on DM, but it was crazy satisfying to pull it off
it's the sort of thing that I quite miss on, say, Doom 2016
there's just not much in terms of player expression
reef pecan
wait
are you allowed to share saves
idk if they're 8mb or not
but if theyre under 8mb whats stopping you from sending a save game
queen coral
yes? I mean, I had trouble with saves failing to load on different machines for some reason
but other than that, I don't see why not
reef pecan
im gonna send a save where you can set big john on fire :)
queen coral
dude I can give you a better strat
stackpile his entrance until he cant really see you, but you can still chuck physics props on him
open the door and just throw stuff on him from behind your box pile
reef pecan
oh yeah these files are super super small
Alright boys I'm not sure how this'll work so I'm just gonna say use this at your own risk lul
instructions:
- when you spawn dont move, i already lined up the shot to shoot the door, just click with the hunting rifle
- shoot the explosive barrel once and then put the box on it to set the box on fire
- throw the box at big john
- cheese strat!!11!
lmao i opened the save file with notepad++ and there is a lot of almost legible things in there among the obviously not legible things
rose hound
@jagged ferry the thing with half life is that you can go pistol only on it if you want cause... Well, it's an extremely easy game
@jagged ferry after all, half life was the game that introduced easier gameplay to the genre. It has little to no skill whatsoever. It's a game that revolved purely around it's storytelling features. A predecessor to the rail shooter of Call of Duty
No skill, just a story and flashy effect that make you feel badass without really achieving anything
grand zodiac
i mean
acoustic agate
i dont know if im bad at shooters, but half life main campaign was really hard
opal plover
Or Quake or dusk
acoustic agate
on normal
grand zodiac
there is a lot of skill with the way you interact with weapons and enemies
acoustic agate
quake was easy
opal plover
Yeah felt really frustrating especially the marines
acoustic agate
i didnt like half life that much, hated the hitscan enemies
opal plover
Glad to hear I'm not alone
acoustic agate
some of the enemies also felt really inconsistent
there are turrets you can shoot at to kill them
but some that look exactly the same
and you had to drop a grenade behind them
graceful wing
Dusk mobile phone
olive cloud
The sad thing is that someone is already doing that
clever musk
Half Life was way harder than Quake
i feel like old school shooters in general are easier to me than something like Half Life
crimson folio
Half life 1 was almost a stealth game in some sections
grand zodiac
meh not really
only in the parts where enemies are scripted to fight
otherwise Doom was more of a stealth game
crimson folio
Naw not really there is no benefit to being stealthy in doom
Literally all enemies know where you are when you get into general proximity with them
And there’s no way to sneak around most encounters
royal herald
the only time I've ever used stealth is by trying to take out the first two zombiemen with the chainsaw on Level 1 of DOOM 2
low swift
dusk switch. dusk on switch. dusk with switch. where is dusk with and on switch?
jade root
sorry
i cant process the fact that doom is a stealth game
like
what the fuck
that is one of the most out-there takes ive ever heard
opaque spindle
Mario is a moba
olive cloud
Guys dusk is actually a puzzle game
If i wanted to diss infadigable i would‘ve said Amid Evil instead of Dusk
crude forge
h-dusk when
jagged ferry
h-dusk would be weak
olive cloud
There should be a Leder hosen variant of the leather necks and their name is LEDERNACKEN
jagged ferry
i saw that and it reminded me of a screenshot i took of me getting mad at some guy on discord
i don't remember the context because i only screenshotted my response and idk why i thought of it
but hey
olive cloud
What did you say
jagged ferry
i'll put a screenshot in #meme-review
simple pilot
what would be special about h-dusk
olive cloud
Its like a ugly HD texture pack for old games
reef pecan
ocarina of time is a first person shooter
if u use the bow you go into first person and you can shoot
hookshot
slingshot
and u can also strafe 😎
grand zodiac
okay i guess i gotta explain myself
when I said Doom is a stealth game I meant its more of a stealth game than Half-Life
in that you can not alert enemies
in HL you pretty much have to
in all instances
i guess except for that one part in interloper where you can stealth around a gargantua
simple pilot
is there any stealth in Doom?
jade root
ye
warped saffron
Doom is a stealth game with the JPCP weapon set in Final Doomer yayayayayaya.
simple pilot
and screen goes yellow and face goes OUCHie
grand zodiac
are you taking the piss or do you really not know that enemies may not be alerted
simple pilot
cybie was taking the piss
jade root
^
grand zodiac
thats the joke
reef pecan
in doom 2016 you can jump over the cyberdemon's head
short cradle
Dusk II: Husk
robust cedar
Dusk III: Huskier
robust cedar
Du2k
robust cedar
I liked it
simple pilot
i dont like it
reef pecan
i dont like it
simple pilot
good to see you're on my side
reef pecan
theory: this is what the escher labs looks like
in the level, one of the secrets refers to a certain "doctor memes"
given the fact that according to the map the escher labs is just a rectangle in the ground
and theres no doors that you cant go inside except for the way you enter the level
grand zodiac
you're getting me excited
reef pecan
theres a good chance that duskdude explored the entirety of the escher labs and killed a man named doctor memes
grand zodiac
i mean
jagged ferry
so
grand zodiac
given whats going on there
jagged ferry
dusk dude is article 13?
pliant garnet
he has an erection satafy it
grand zodiac
its hard to say its a "rectangle"
exactly
and like the shape that you explore
what even is that
so idk
simple pilot
that theory is really possible
grand zodiac
besides theres plenty of scientists in other levels too
reef pecan
i choose to believe one of the scientists you shoot is named doctor memes
simple pilot
given the terrain on map is flat
vast tangle
simple pilot
its realistic
pliant garnet
ya the world is square
grand zodiac
its cubed thats what minecraft taught us
pliant garnet
and you live on a big rubix cube
grand zodiac
yes
simple pilot
and pizza is good
reef pecan
"holy shit this is either an alternate dimension or like im 600 miles feet above earth"
nah
simple pilot
earth is good
reef pecan
its a stick and a platform
simple pilot
pizza is good
jagged ferry
miles feet
grand zodiac
conclusion: the level select means jack shit
pliant garnet
600 miles feet
reef pecan
miles feet 😩
jagged ferry
600
reef pecan
miles feet
pliant garnet
miles feet
reef pecan
miles feet 😩
grand zodiac
miles feet gotta be a unit of area
pliant garnet
feet miles
grand zodiac
cause its length * length
pliant garnet
than correct yourself
simple pilot
you just cant see the ground because of polluted air
grand zodiac
so Dusk is a warning about air pollution?
yellow air gotta be full of sulphur or sth
acoustic agate
neochemtrails
reef pecan
grand zodiac
nice
acoustic agate
the barrels of toxic waste is liquid soap
grand zodiac
so thats it
thats why the military was building all of these factories
and why they were researching the ruins
its all about the soap
jagged ferry
and the miles feet
acoustic agate
soap confirmed more powerful than xen crystals
grand zodiac
reef pecan
europeans: the imperial system sucks
americans: no
americans:
americans: miles feet :)
grand zodiac
KILL THE INTRUDER
reef pecan
that was literally the exact joke i was refraining from making
acoustic agate
jagged ferry
america: "miles feet"
support for the imperial system rises to 100%
reef pecan
DON'T
reef pecan
on the level where ur 600 miles feet above when you open up this secret you can kinda see the door clipping out of the smokestack
grand zodiac
nice
jagged ferry
Vega
graceful wing
graphics
reef pecan
theres the sun :)
grand zodiac
i mean the pixels that make up the miles feet
cause it just looks like what is left in the toilet after a very very sick day
vale oar
Barrels o' Hup
reef pecan
btw i had an idea
what if instead of the cigar healing you for one hp
it did -1 health +1 morale
that way if you had a lot of health but rlly low morale
and like
you were next to a health pack
you could just smoke all ur health into morale and then get a health pack
i wouldnt do that in the base game
but maybe for some mod it might be fun
plus it thematically makes sense bcuz smoking is bad for you but it calms ur nerves and stuff
rose hound
Hey, anyone of Dusk team here? I think I found a typo on its steam
reef pecan
i'm not a dev or have any authority but post the typo
rose hound
Will do, one sec
In Dusk Steam, you can see this typo on the banner
I mean, all things considered
things went utterly RIGHT
reef pecan
put a barrel or a box on top of a smaller object like a pipe
lift a pipe
and u fly
i will make a gif of it
rose hound
oh it has the Source props bug?
cool
That means you can also fly if you jump on top of a box, grab the box, jump, bring the box upwards with you, release the box, and use it as a jumpting platform: then you grab it again mid air
what happens is that you keep bringin the box upwards and using it as platform to keep jumping up
Nevermind that wall text I wrote
it doesn't work here
reef pecan
yeah i know about prophopping but this is different
rose hound
"Prophopping", thanks for the name
Ahhh I get it now
you are using two props instead of just a box right?
reef pecan
yea
rose hound
I just tried it with a wooden box and a fork
it did... "work"
as the fork stopped me from clipping through the box, even though I WAS holding the box
from there onward, how to use that to "prophop" dusk style, beats me. How do you do that?
rose hound
I just did it, I was able to double jump. But the intermediary object (the fork, in my case) flies all over the place
Hah, ironic, I am trying this out on Neobabel too
Ahh, that combo of props may do the trick
I get whats going on
when you grab an object, it brings the object closer, say, the pipe, it forces the pipe to come to be at, say, 5 inches from you
but because there is the barrel in the way, the pipe keeps trying to come closer, and thus moves the barrel (and you) upwards
and the process continues as an endless cycle
Seems it's specifically the pipe the one that can cause this, as it seems to be particularly easy to pick from a longer distance compared to other props
rose hound
So, why around the whole game there are so many secrets that reference the beggining of the game?
like, every once in a while there is a secret that shows, perhaps thorough a window, or teleports you, back to the woods of E1
reef pecan
@rose hound elaborate
rose hound
@reef pecan on what?
rose hound
oh
neobabel, the red door secret
it sends you into a room that has a window that looks at the woods that seem of E1M2
as in, a throwback
rose hound
it's full of this woods throwbacks
Ok full maybe a lil bit of a stretch
but you get the idea