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#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
jagged ferry
reef pecan
i'll send feet pics to the first person that sends me the dusk multiplayer hitsound
the thing that sounds a lil bit like a minecraft noteblock
crimson folio
boof
timid sedge
i cant help but feel like getting pacifist on certain levels is impossible so long as explosive death counts against it
eager bluff
How many copies of Dusk have been sold?
simple pilot
at 4 copies there would be guaranteed release for consoles
but it didnt managed to sold that well
rose hound
Didn't you sell 69420 already at least?
lusty fable
Yes
reef pecan
That's good to hear
proper spade
Am I the only one who thinks city of shadows feels like a super mario 64 level?
eager bluff
80,000 thats HUGE, congrats 😃
abstract skiff
NB hates money, so they're in agony now...
simple pilot
it misses one digit tbh
atomic egret
no
eager bluff
"no" to what, both?
atomic egret
keep dreaming
eager bluff
working on something else?
atomic egret
heaps
eager bluff
new fps?
eager bluff
hmmm
atomic egret
news soon
eager bluff
i guess then the studio would rather create new IPs for each game than build on IPs
atomic egret
we are a publisher
not a developer
David is the developer of Dusk and it's his choice to make dusk 2 if he ever so chooses
eager bluff
I thought David ran NewBlood, or is that some other company?
eager bluff
So there are two Daves then
atomic egret
correct
eager bluff
So in this case the developer is as person, not a company.
atomic egret
yeah
eager bluff
Ok. So is he working on something?
atomic egret
he is
eager bluff
is that the thing to stay tuned for?
eager bluff
fair enough
too bad
maybe somebody else will create a expansion pack for Dusk or something
eager bluff
that's cool
if nothing else
i'd like to see other devs license his engine since he's got the quake feeling nailed down so well
atomic egret
dusk runs on unity
eager bluff
sort of like the PK engine. But without the whole crashing and burning thing.
I know Dusk is unity, but the stuff he did to it to make it feel like a quake engine game is mostly perfect.
Maybe its not really that complicated to simulate the feeling of quake? IDK
But I played through a bunch of 90s shooter recently, lots of them had horrible movement, momentium and collision systems. Quake is one of the few engines from that area that was great in those respects, and Dusk nails that feeling too
atomic egret
gotcha
eager bluff
hopefully other developers will follow his lead
ivory crest
Blood has great movement
grand zodiac
Why follow... when you can lead
lusty fable
@eager bluff There is going to be a new game+
mild ginkgo
Yes there is
olive cloud
I want to be happy about this but i cant
reef pecan
@proper spade ya city of shadows is literally edgy wet dry world
city of shadows is wet dry world going through its angsty teen phase
opal plover
Am I the only one that wishes city of shadows was a bit more complex?
Like it's very open but it's really just get to the red key
get to the red door
lusty fable
Yeah
opal plover
Wish it was a more complex path inside of the very openness
viral gate
With the SDK coming out you can fulfil that desire
or someone else will
Hell who knows maybe years later we'll get the AD equivalent for DUSK
super wishful thinking but hey who knows
opal plover
Only thing I dislike about AD is the non-campain format
viral gate
That's fair
opal plover
At the very least I'd hope for the equivalent to DeathWish
viral gate
can be a bit much especially starting out
but was done cause of every map was being designed and created at different paces by different people
opal plover
Ye
reef pecan
recreate super mario 64 in dusk
viral gate
was decided early on they'll all be starting off with just basic gear
reef pecan
what year is dusk supposed to take place in
viral gate
check the achievement icons
dim plank
198X iirc
reef pecan
isn't the achievement icon supposed to say 1993
but the 93 is smudged
imo the like setting kinda makes me feel like its like 1940s-50s at the earliest like 1970s at the latest
kinda strikes me as the kind of game where duskdude would still be alive but in old age if he was a real person and alive today
90s feels a little bit too late of a setting
the achievement icon either says 87 or 89
idk if thats representative of the in game timeline or if it's like a date that's important to the devs or what
delicate sail
Could AD theoretically be modified to run in DAWN?
vale oar
cmahn "jab" it's the 2nd of April already
delicate sail
Whoops, first post of the day, just realized it 😁
vale oar
lol
mild ginkgo
yes @delicate sail
eager bluff
@lusty fable i assume that's a joke, because you can already play the levels with all the shit unlocked
delicate sail
Nah, there's gonna be a NG+ mode with additional content, something about utilizing the powers you get in the end
delicate sail
All that's been confirmed though is that there's gonna be some sort of NG+ with a cool twist. The powers thing comes from Dave at the booth and some hints in the discord. Remixed maps hasn't been confirmed per se.
But I'd imagine something of that sort as well, like remixed enemies or something...
opaque spindle
I'd say take what Dave said about the powers with a grain of salt
Considering he also said at some other convention that there would be a bfg like weapon coming in ep3
when there wasn't
Not fully denying it but y'know
delicate sail
Yeah. Avain impllied some stuff before as well, but given that NG+ is way off in the future, I guess it's still just too early to tell what's gonna feel right and what won't
Or was it Lain?
graceful wing
yep, NG+ is still too far to elaborate much on
but it definitely won't just be tuned up enemies like how NG+ works in most games
eager bluff
It would be cool there was some enemy randomization
grand zodiac
Speedruners: That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
thorn trout
I'd say take what Dave said about the powers with a grain of salt if you guys haven't realized by now, Dave sometimes says things without clearing them with the people who actually have to implement those ideas 😛
opaque spindle
David what is your pfp
proper spade
btw guys, if anyone's been experiencing weird stuttering even at high framerates, check what your frame cap is
I had mine set to 144 even though my monitor is only 60hz, so it probably led to improper frame pacing
which made mouse movements feel off
wait, so was the bfg type weapon too difficult to implement? I was just under the impression that the existing weapons would make it redundant
grand zodiac
@proper spade so what caused the problem witht he framerate?
proper spade
oh, the cap was set higher than my refresh rate
grand zodiac
I have this kind of issue but i run many games uncapped and they dont feel bad
proper spade
yeah for some reason only this game had that issue
grand zodiac
i get weird framedrops on certain section
proper spade
guess I raised it recently
grand zodiac
but my framecounter says its still high
no its definitely not a problem with frame pacing as you called it there are actual frame drops happening to me
proper spade
I think I'm experiencing that too
grand zodiac
do you get that on sections like outside the barn on e1m2?
proper spade
I'll check real quick
yeah I do
I checked if my pc was just running games worse for some reason but doom 2016 on high runs at 60 for me
grand zodiac
yeah i spoke to 500_pts a few weeks ago about that
he said my pc shouldn't be an issue
people suggested updating drivers, turning off geforce experience etc
but nothing helped
did capping the framerate solve it for you?
proper spade
I'll try turning off geforce
not entirely
oh jeez
I had something called battery boost enabled in geforce
I disabled that and the geforce overlay. I'm not getting dips but there are still some stutters
grand zodiac
where is that option?
proper spade
probably only if you're on a laptop
grand zodiac
yeah i have a desktop
sly path
Now announcing Ask Jeeves support for DUSK.
Access Ask Jeeves search while playing DUSK.
dim plank
hey jeeves can i get the NG+ early
spark silo
hey jeeves will jabronii return to us some day
dim plank
||nyarlathotep's power was just what they use to make monster energy drinks||
electrified toxic waste
spare cobalt
gleaming berry
NG+ will be the final thing we do for dusk so there's still a ways to go on it but we have some really cool ideas
but don't think about that now
bother us about SDK and Workshop
cuz we working on that
after GOG thing ofc
gotta get those GOG sales
DOZENS OF UNITS
proper spade
would any new additions in ng+ be available to modders?
jagged ferry
"no, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars"
vast tangle
I thought NB hated money
vague egret
we do
pliant garnet
why cant i find anyone playing online
but i see a ton of you in here!
talking
DAILY
charlie
lets fight
versed grove
:o
pliant garnet
come smell me
versed grove
I'm on mobile. I know dusk is lightweight but no mobile port yet
pliant garnet
ughh
opaque spindle
Hey buddy
check out #lfg-signup
Then use the duskworld lfg signup to see if you can get a game going
ionic tendon
NG+: it just auto-starts episode 1 after you beat the final level
and a voice goes "Here we go again!"
proper spade
it's like looping in nuclear throne
ionic tendon
what I want is a mode that randomly swaps heal packs for superhot syringes in every level tho
ionic tendon
but if theyre randomly placed instead, you can stack em....
oh wait no, thats the rapid fire you want to stack
jagged ferry
Dizza♡Today at 19:52
or permanent superhot
with slower projectiles but you die in one hit
so like what, just a fairer duskmare?
proper spade
duskmare almost doesn't feel like anyone's intended to really play it
I just did e1m1 for the achievement
jagged ferry
i mean
i'm sure it started as a joke
doesn't stop people from unironically doing whole ass duskmare runs
ionic tendon
cant imagine how id clear that second-to-final level in duskmare
jagged ferry
people have done it
i mean i haven't. and i probably never will.
but it's happened
opaque spindle
There's a secret pacifist teleport
Its for pacifist runs or if you just wanna wuss out
ionic tendon
does lava 1-hit ko you in duskmare too?
opaque spindle
I think so? maybe? I'm not sure
simple pilot
1-hit applies only to enemies
enviromental damage / rocket jumps still deal Cedo Miero damage irc
versed grove
who tf can even beat the game in duskmare though
rose hound
Ok so I wanna get my Cheater achievement on dusk. Simple enough, any good ol' retro fps has a console where I can type idkfa right?.
Turns out I don't have a console, but that ain't what outraged me, but the fact that there ain't no cheat named idkfa.
It breaks my heart
jagged ferry
well
there is ||nbkfa||
which frankly makes far more sense in dusk's case then idkfa would
jagged ferry
gang status: ed
reef pecan
duskmare isnt actually all that hard a lot of the challenge just comes from your ability to not save scum
like anyone can play duskmare if you just mash the quicksave after you kill an enemy
but if you dont save a lot for the added challenge then yeah its pretty hard
proper spade
yeah but that doesn't sound fun
reef pecan
its not
It's also not fun to use soap on duskmare
takes away all the challenge
same goes for like boulders and shit guns are more fun than hauling 3 boulders to every fight and instakilling everything
it feels really good to beat a duskmare level without dying once though
versed grove
I feel like I'd need to study the maps and secrets before attempting duskmare, and yeah, lots of save scumming lol
simple pilot
duskmare is not fun, its only useful if you do untouchable
you just press E instead of Esc to restart the level
abstract skiff
I personally want a difficulty above El something...
reef pecan
duskmare is lots of fun if you don't cheat
it makes you think outside the box so that u dont get pwned :)
lusty fable
Its nice not having to worry about health and moral too
Because you get obliterated instantly
reef pecan
i played almost all of doom 2016 without a hud
If you play on Nightmare you die basically instantly anyway
and the game is centered around outmanuevering ur enemies in combat situations
and the game had the red circle around the screen when ur actually hurt
it's pretty easy to gauge how hurt you are even without a hud (I took a direct hit from something so im probably like going to die in the next hit lul)
makes you notice stuff like health and armor shards more because you dont know if you need it or not
its a lot more fun without a hud
like i can't play Doom 2016 with a hud anymore
in dusk i like having a hud for a few reasons, mostly because the levels are non linear enough for me to actually have to physically look at what keycards i have and duskdude doesnt put his gun down like doomguy does in Doom 2016 when he has no ammo, there's no visible difference between a SSG with ammo and an SSG with no ammo for example
simple pilot
SSG is half opened with empty barrels if you dont have ammo for it
reef pecan
@opal plover therein lies my problem
like i expect to use the SSG and then the game auto switches me to something else
im not sure if it's exactly how it works but im pretty sure the game auto switches you to the closest available weapon if ur out of ammo for something, like if ur out of assault rifle ammo it switches to dual pistols and if ur out of riveter ammo it switches to the mortar because of those weapons are kind of similar to one another
regardless I'd prefer if it just went "clickclickclickclick" and then I could make my own choice on what weapon to use idk if there's a thing in the options menu to disable that but if i could i would
spark silo
is there a leaderboard for endless mode highscores?
simple pilot
no, only videos how ppl are cheesing on cathedral with crystal of madness
spark silo
thats no fun
simple pilot
they are holding records, that must be fun for them
reef pecan
i mean to be fair
ive only played endless mode like 3 times and even i figured out how to cheese cathedral
dont you just throw the crystal into the doorway and just sit in the corner of the cathedral
and all the enemies follow you through the narrow hallway
i figured that out on my 2nd playthrough on cathedral
but if there's a different method id like to hear it
thorn trout
@reef pecan pretty sure there is? I actually can't remember lol
vast tangle
My record in endless mode is 10 waves (Farm, CM). I suck at it tbh.
grand zodiac
I akways forget to look at which wave I am
delicate sail
iirc it doesn't say in the stats though, right?
Just in the beginning of each wave
grand zodiac
yes thats why i forget
i always think damn which wave am i on
oh well gonna check when the next one starts
then i either die or just get too invested in looking for items and forget to see what the number on the screen is
fluid beacon
Hello people. I'm working on a model trying to catch a slightly more modern but still retro visual look, and I'd love to hear your feedback :)
royal herald
are you making the models for all of the things in DUSK?
these are really well done
fluid beacon
still work in progress, but it would be cool to know your thoughts. Too many polys, too high rez texture, too cartoony...? whatever
hm, no. It's just a fan art by now
I might mod the game one day when possible, who knows 😛
weak oak
too cartoony IMO. but it looks cool anyway
royal herald
the width seems too high for the leathernecks
boreal trout
I do find it cartoony, but I like it just the same.
royal herald
but they're still really good
boreal trout
Now that you mention it, yeah definitely looks TF2ish
fluid beacon
haha specially the pose kind of reminds me of Heavy, yea
royal herald
give him a minigun lol
fluid beacon
I probably should have gone with photo texturing instead of handpainted, but I thought it wouldn't hold very well on very low texture rez
I might give it a test
royal herald
I was going to use an image editor to put the heavy's minigun on the guy but apparently this computer can run fo4 modded fine at high settings but can't open a browser based image editor
strong locust
@fluid beacon the render furthest to the right is pretty interesting
huh, does this server not support file uploads?
fluid beacon
Thanks Rustin 😃 it just has even lower texture rez. 256x256
strong locust
there we go
I was messing with doing this sort of PBR texturing with super low res nearest-neighbor filtered textures
but the thing that I got curious about and I'm wondering about with your render as well
fluid beacon
just Marmoset, an albedo and a normal map
strong locust
it feels like the biggest issue with this look is that all the specular is still done per-pixel instead of per-texel
fluid beacon
was considering the use of roughness and such, but it kinda works with less stuff
strong locust
fluid beacon
yea. I tried with high res normals and low diffuse, but less charming
or a pixelated, yet smoothed high res normal map, with weird results
strong locust
lol yeah NN diffuse + bilinear normal map looks very strange
anyway how is marmoset's support for custom shaders?
fluid beacon
hehe yea. I'll keep experimenting with the blend tho
strong locust
I feel like the missing piece of this look is just getting that lighting to be per-texel so it's not all weird and smooth in between texels
fluid beacon
hm, I haven't tried any, I doubt it does that
System Shock remake does some interesting pixely things, but still not "holy grail" perfect
Amid Evil too, in some walls
delicate sail
Btw, you guys can post images when you have a rank. Just keep on posting in the NB channels except meme-factory and you'll rank up in no time
delicate sail
molten plover
that model is awesome @fluid beacon, very cool!
molten plover
Hahahaha looks like you already "made it" @fluid beacon
https://twitter.com/newblood_txt/status/1113562213003014144?s=19
fluid beacon
😅
radiant lantern
my boi. you are indeed worthy.
reef pecan
@fluid beacon That looks really good
It does look a bit cartoony and I don't think would fit with a hypothetical "dusk sequel if dusk was actually a 90s game being remade in 2019" aesthetic
like i feel like dusk is kinda supposed to be rough around the edges aesthetically
but otherwise the model is extremely solid
fluid beacon
Thanks!
I personally don't like too much how they update some old games that tended to be stylised and painted by hand into realism (eg. any enemy in Duke3D versus their DNF counterpart), but I totally get the cartoon objection. Specially the comical proportions and color saturation, I'd say 😅
delicate sail
Still love this one as well: https://twitter.com/Robot_Jorg/status/878994046391377920?s=19
Have you considered doing a full model redesign mod?
Would be really awesome to see a whole bunch of these in action
fluid beacon
I've thought about it, but the game is charming as it is... the higher def models might look a bit weird yuxtaposed with the rest of the environment
Also, I don't think I can invest that amount of time outside work, plus I'm not really an animator 😅
ancient whale
Does Dusk support custom levels as of yet?
mild ginkgo
nope, but its on the way
ancient whale
Sick.
crimson folio
You will be able to make custom levels with SDK soon™
daring solstice
can't wait to replace duskdude sounds with quake3 Mynx
duskbabe will be kicking ass
spark silo
raw blade
@mild ginkgo About a week ago, you mentioned that the Dusk mouse mats might be coming back after Pax. Can we get a time frame of when we can expect them again, or if this has been cancelled.
reef pecan
@daring solstice im replacing duskdudes sounds with super mario 64 mario and replacing the hurt sound with the mario oof
daring solstice
that one is also good
reef pecan
also i post very often in this channel and im still a filthy rat smh
opal plover
Lmao get on my level pleb
daring solstice
I was thinking about importing the roblox oof
graceful wing
Anything past rat takes considerably longer to get
reef pecan
wish i could :^)
opal plover
This post was made by the Big John rank
graceful wing
Big John takes your average user about a year to reach
opal plover
Oh shit that much?
reef pecan
i mean it has the prettiest role color
graceful wing
Ofc if you're super active you can do it in 6-8 months
reef pecan
I mean I'm sure I rake in xp pretty fast because I write essays
side note i love how the game lets you be creative when it comes to monster closets and traps and stuff
graceful wing
Oh, message length isn't considered
The xp is on a random cooldown
Anywhere from 1 to a couple minutes per xp
reef pecan
like in old time religion (the red level with the church that leads underground in e1m4 i think??) when you open that one door you and the floor opens and you land in a monster closet
if ur smart you can open the door then jump out of the way
like it'll trick you the first time then on subsequent playthroughs you can jump back and not fall into the pit
simple pilot
E1M3
reef pecan
and the crossbow literally lets you cheese monster closets if you just think like a map designer
if youre ever in a narrow hallway with a single collectible at the end of it and you crossbow into the walls youll probably hit something
opal plover
For whatever reason I made an edit with the very end of the keepers of the gate track over the end of ||Nyarlathotep's|| speech.
raw blade
nice
raw blade
Duskdude: dies two weeks later in some run down country hospital
reef pecan
ahoy dusk, pennsylvania
i have heart disease
imagine being a treasure hunter and after getting derailed into defeating a lovecraftian nightmare your reward is congestive heart failure and 3 weeks to live
grand zodiac
No, it's syphillis
slate edge
nocturne remnant
reef pecan
literally everyone here would be happy to tell you how good this game is
btw for the switch release
I'm totally gonna double dip and make my vertical sens the exact amount you need to be able to do a flip on flat ground
oh shit you know what would be cool
if when you're playing in dual joy con mode
flipping the right joy con would do the gun flipping
make sure you have your wrist strap
vast tangle
(sips Boomer juice) Yeah, Dusk was a fine game indeed
graceful wing
If only those wrist straps weren't an absolute pain to put on / take off heh
I'm willing to take the risk
reef pecan
if dusk switch had a thing where you move the right stick for camera movements and physically move the right joy con for crosshair movements that would be really cool
because that way you could flick aim the joycon and you could turn down the autoaim
press y or something to reset the crosshair to the middle
thats how Splatoon does it and aiming in Splatoon is really really good
plus if you got startled and jumped ur crosshair would jump too,
immersion :V
whenever i get spooked in an fps game (whether because something is actually scary or because i turn a corner into a fully revved heavy) i initiate fear tracking where my mouse flicks wildly while i hold left click
and most of the time i say "whoa whoa whoa whoa" like im trying to calm a horse
sometimes its just "chill" but that usually comes after
opal plover
The gun flipping thing is really creative
That should totally be implemented
Have it depend on the weapon too
simple pilot
to flip pistols flip both joycons in opposite directions, hunting rifle flip joycon counterclockwise, bolt in crossbow flip joycon counterclockwise above second joycon etc
mild ginkgo
@raw blade they are currently en-route to our merch warehouse and should be available again soon
raw blade
@mild ginkgo Thanks!
summer otter
I recommend wendigo pad thank u for your time this has been my Ted talk
proper spade
The joy cons only have gryo sensors, so they don't stay calibrated reliably enough to work as pointers unfortunately
that's why the wii needed a point of reference with the sensor bar
olive cloud
Make the joycons vibrate when the flashlight flickers because of wendigos
reef pecan
@olive cloud idk if i'm understanding what you mean by flashlight flickers
but it would be cool if every time you revealed a wendigo on the switch version the joy cons would rumble very hard
theres a lot of ways to get creative with dusk on the switch
and given the dedication to devs give to dusk
i can imagine a lot of the cool shit like gyro aiming happening
like the hd rumble could work for a lot of things with dusk
explosions
gun recoil
trying to open a door that "opens elsewhere"
your flashlight breaking for the 8th time after falling into a pit
when you're swinging your sickles you could make the left joy con rumble, then the right, then the left, then the right, etc
grand zodiac
thanks for reminding me
pls make it canon that the sickles you use are the ones you got hung from
thx
reef pecan
im pretty sure its canon
reef pecan
i dont see why it wouldnt be
grand zodiac
because the hooks are still there
and there is some official artwork where he grabs the sickles from somewhere else
in the intruder ed comic
reef pecan
oh yeah i just checked
my memory is off
it looked like to me that there were supposed to be 4 hooks but the middle 2 were missing but nah i guess thats wrong, if you turn around ur not even hung in the first place
grand zodiac
i always interpreted this as the moment you slide off
reef pecan
actually well
in real life
meathooks to actually hang meat are pretty close together
grand zodiac
lmao
reef pecan
you're stuck in place, you can make the animation like you're moving but you're not actually able to move (like your weapons bounce, but you don't move)
"kill the intruder"
you're finally able to move and the sickles are equipped
but i just took a closer look
and you have the sickles equipped from the start even before you're able to move
maybe in a future update they make that canon where like the sickles don't actually equip until you're able to move
and make it look like theres 2 meathooks missing
because thats badass
theres no reason to not add that lul
reef pecan
yea thats about accurate
reef pecan
well
duskdude is a pretty stocky gentleman
i mean like im not sure if im allowed to post pictures from the graphic novel because it's dlc
but theres a picture of him on the dusk wiki
and in one of the panels
i will crudely draw it
so that its not piracy
reef pecan
grand zodiac
i mean in the cover alone you can see how LARGE he is
reef pecan
he is a wide gentleman
grand zodiac
yeah theres two similar panels like that
one with the experiments one with the cathedral
but i think its obvious
he is quite wide
duskdude the rhombus
reef pecan
hnngh jakob, i'm trying to hunt treasure, but im dummy thick, and the clap of my asscheeks keeps alerting the cult
grand zodiac
welp guess i gotta kill them
reef pecan
i remember when dave said that he'd imagine duskdude looks something like ash williams on the steam forums
during the episode 1 days
guess not anymore
o
so i have ass reading comprehension skills so i dont notice obvious shit
but i just saw that on page 19/26 of the graphic novel
duskdude gets hit with at least 28 needles
im pretty sure that the average player has been hit with less than a double digit number of needles
ebon radish
Do I need to complete each level for the soap pickups to register?
delicate sail
Nope
ebon radish
Alright, thank god
delicate sail
Just pick one up and move to the next one. Ye
ebon radish
alright sweet, thanks
reef pecan
im pretty sure duskdude hates animals
"I HATE RATS"
apparently in homecoming he hates frogs too but i've replayed that level specifically to find the quote where he says he hates frogs and i cant find it
picture of cat "A DEMONIC CREATURE"
delicate sail
The frog thing is a reference to a personal story of David. It's in the back of "That House"
reef pecan
alright i'll look for it next time i play the level
name 1 animal in dusk you dont murder on sight
olive cloud
looks like duskdude hates small creatures
reef pecan
bro these wendigos got me fucked up
im playing duskmare without saves
and ive genuinely learned to just stop taking 1v1s against them
wait not wendigos
black phillips i think theyre called
they do not miss
like if i want to fight one i need to peek it with an explosive or somethin
acoustic agate
@reef pecan late, but meathooks are different from sickles
sickles are farming tools
meathook
no handles
rocky lichen
untold elm
That crosshair is ... off.
simple pilot
That texture filtering is... off.
reef pecan
playing duskmare is so stressful like im playing with no saves
and a soldier snuck up on me
and literally missed all 3 of his shots at like 3 inches away
like i heard 3 bullets buzz by my head and collide with the wall
i could see the wall sparks
jagged ferry
idk who picked the banner but they're a saint
acoustic agate
out of the loop
what will the sdk update have
i know it has coop
bundled with it
but what are the major things about the sdk that are planned
opaque spindle
Mod support and custom map support as well
and maybe a few other things I'm not too sure about
acoustic agate
arent they going to rewrite most of the code?
opaque spindle
I believe so yes
rocky lichen
I can't even begin to imagine the undertaking of what Dawn entails
prisma halo
It's a complete rewrite from the ground up
None of the original code is present in the SDK
simple pilot
Due to being totally custom or it just wasnt fit for modyfing?
(well its the same crap actually)
prisma halo
Most of the original code is written in a language that is no longer supported, and isn't suitable for modding
sly path
Yeah it was done in Unityscript
simple pilot
afaik unity is in c#, unityscript (based on c#?) is obselete internal language?
prisma halo
UnityScript is based on JavaScript
But it compiles down to IL (which is the same bytecode format C# compiles down to)
It was eventually discontinued because Unity Technologies didn't want to maintain it anymore, and very few people actually used it
sly path
It's also why you can't load up the Fingerbones project files in modern engine versions without things breaking.
prisma halo
Yeah, the SDK is already on a version of Unity far newer than the last version the normal Dusk project can use
reef pecan
but its gonna be the same game right
like obviously the physics are gonna be exactly the same but like it might perform differently
royal herald
Performance might change, likely for the better, but not only is the SDK not DUSK but it's also not going to change any gameplay unless you want it to
It's for DUSK, not DUSK though
prisma halo
Pretty much that, yeah
crimson folio
Its Dusk but Cooler
vagrant vortex
@reef pecan duskmare flips the enemy threat level on its head.
The army men and the goats get their revenge
Also how are you guys gonna keep the game exactly the same, while re-wrighting it?
prisma halo
I don't imagine it'll be exactly the same, but it'll be near-exact
jade root
BioWare magic
prisma halo
Like, maybe a bug or two won't work anymore
(like clipping into a wall accidentally or something, as an example)
but if things like that end up mattering, they can be manually special cased in
To the regular player, it'd be exactly the same
vagrant vortex
Good luck with that. I think it will be worth it if we get more dusk content from it
reef pecan
@vagrant vortex if I had to make a guess it's not rewriting the entire game it's mostly just "translating" if that makes sense
vagrant vortex
Pretty hard to translate without rewriting
reef pecan
like say there's an equation used for gravity in the game
and that doesn't work in the new engine
you just make the engine do the same equation but written differently
vagrant vortex
If it's written differently than it's not the same equation
reef pecan
and it works exactly the same but it's written different
vagrant vortex
I get the idea.
But look how different written language is after it's been translated.
There's no real conversion of language it's just approximations
In talky talky language not video game language
reef pecan
well think about like doom source ports
prisma halo
@reef pecan No, it's a complete rewrite
reef pecan
all of them can read the same wads the enemies have the same ai that kind of shit
but on some bad ports certain shit doesn't work because it was written poorly
prisma halo
Doom ports are a bit different
They use the same base source code
The SDK is an entirely separate code base
reef pecan
so ur saying it's more akin to a faithful remake of dusk's engine than it is a console port
prisma halo
Correct
vagrant vortex
Lol makeing video games seams like hell
rocky lichen
it is, but its rewarding hell
jagged ferry
well
reef pecan
what engine does dusk run on vs the sdk
prisma halo
Both are Unity
jagged ferry
unless you make something like eastern mind lost souls of tong nou
rocky lichen
@prisma halo are you still using cc or will it use a custom controller for the player now?
reef pecan
so whats different between the two versions of unity
prisma halo
CC?
jagged ferry
then everyone just thinks you're constantly on lsd
prisma halo
Dusk already uses a custom character controller
vagrant vortex
Will I be able to do flips in this new duskworld?
prisma halo
@reef pecan It might make more sense if you view the SDK as an engine built inside an engine, in a way
It treats Unity as more of a framework
Because Unity itself doesn't really offer the kind of functionality necessary for modding in the style of Quake and Doom
reef pecan
So between version A of unity and version B of unity is nothing compatible or can you not Ctrl v anything into version b
prisma halo
So I have to implement all of that myself
rocky lichen
@prisma halo its based on character controller
rare musk
Compatibility within one piece of software, from version to version, is always going to vary wildly
prisma halo
@reef pecan The problem isn't Unity version compatibility, but rather that the code from the regular version of Dusk is very difficult to work with
and well, branching it out into something moddable would be hell
vagrant vortex
Flips? In new duskworld?
prisma halo
The SDK includes Duskworld (they'll be merged)
I assume that's what "new duskworld" was referring to
vagrant vortex
Soooo... Yes?
vagrant vortex
Wait what?
jagged ferry
"hey yo so this code would just be a nightmare to mod so y'all mind if i recode the entire fucking game ok thanks"
prisma halo
pretty much lmao
vagrant vortex
You tell me I could have been doing flips in dusk world this entire time?
reef pecan
so would you be able to port 99.95% of the original dusk to the sdk, and have all but that 00.05% work perfectly or would it be a little different
prisma halo
It's not really as hard as it sounds, it's just very time consuming
The entire game will be ported to the SDK
acoustic agate
wait, is the rewritten code version of the game going to be another branch
or replacing the main game entirely
prisma halo
It'll become the main branch, and the non-moddable version will be kept available under its own branch probably
But it won't be supported anymore
vagrant vortex
Nice
acoustic agate
grrrr stupid newblood pissing on dusk: unity script edition
prisma halo
lmao
acoustic agate
dusk bedrock edition
reef pecan
if it runs better and it's exactly the same as the og dusk and i can do the same funny things with the physics then im all for it
rare musk
dusk java edition
rare musk
that's the switch version
prisma halo
I joke about that, but since the SDK will be open source, someone could make their own Android port if they really wanted to
acoustic agate
is the switch port going to be after or before the sdk
prisma halo
No idea
rare musk
I was about to say but wouldn't the unity elements not be open source
jagged ferry
nokia 3310 port
prisma halo
If the SDK is finished before the Switch version comes out, then the SDK will come out first
rocky lichen
@prisma halo the player uses character controller in legacy dusk, doesn't it?
reef pecan
yeah i was gonna mention that if you guys are already working on the switch port
rare musk
before realizing half the reason unity was a big thing initially was cross platform support
reef pecan
then you need to scrap the whole switch port for the new engine
prisma halo
@rocky lichen I'd have to check, I don't actually remember
but I'm fairly sure it's a completely custom controller
opaque spindle
Is up and coming coder ripping off dusk to create dawn??? more at 11
reef pecan
so I take it your old saves won't work on the sdk remake
prisma halo
Okay so I just checked
It uses a CharacterController to move the character around, but the actual physics and such are custom
So it's mainly used for collision checking
@reef pecan Dunno yet, I've been considering writing a converter
reef pecan
so i gotta find all the damn soap again,,,
prisma halo
Might have a built-in save converter for a few versions
your achievements will remain
and the soaps that you have found are tracked by Steam, so you won't lose progress either
reef pecan
I mean im pretty dedicated to 100%ing the game so if I could keep my low tech achievements i would be a happy man
prisma halo
It's something I'll be looking into eventually
I'll keep you all posted when there's news on that
prisma halo
Not too hard
reef pecan
yeah it sounds to me like
run save converter
if player has low tech on e2m3 give them low tech for new game :)
prisma halo
It most likely wouldn't be a separate tool
but rather something that runs silently when the game detects old save files in the folder
vagrant vortex
Wait this guys not David?
vagrant vortex
Ben you can't flip in duskworld
reef pecan
so if it's open source couldn't you just like port it to Android and then distribute it? What would be the preventative measure for that that sounds muy illegal
prisma halo
Because the SDK doesn't include the game data
prisma halo
You could create a port that requires the player to copy the game files onto their phone
rare musk
it's turned off by default
prisma halo
And you'd be free to distribute that, as long as you didn't include the game files yourself
vagrant vortex
Ohhhh shit I'm an ideot
reef pecan
ah ok so the engine is fine to distribute but not the actual game files?
prisma halo
Yes
reef pecan
yeah that makes sense
rare musk
because most people found it more annoying than fun, when trying to rivet jump around or whatever, but there's an unlock y axis option somewhere in there
prisma halo
Yeah it should be in settings
reef pecan
so if the engine is cool to distribute that means you can play dawn's version of wads for free but not the actual official campaign/duskworld?
rare musk
prisma halo
@reef pecan If there are any mods that don't require the base game, yes
vagrant vortex
Sick moves
rare musk
FreeDusk
prisma halo
That could totally exist without issues
reef pecan
that sounds nice because then you could beg ur friends to play cool dusk wads if theyre broke
prisma halo
As long as it contained no assets from the actual game
rare musk
would it be legal from the unity side of things though?
prisma halo
Yes
rare musk
Neat
reef pecan
oh so original game assets wouldnt be good? like crates and barrels and stuff?
rocky lichen
@prisma halo yeah, it's common to write a driver for CC, I always do that
vagrant vortex
So would their possibly be steam workshop support?
prisma halo
Workshop is planned
vagrant vortex
Wooooowwww
prisma halo
@reef pecan You wouldn't be allowed to use assets from Dusk, no
At least, not without permission
rocky lichen
But are you still using CC for DAWN or a custom movement?
reef pecan
oh ok
prisma halo
It's custom
rocky lichen
Still capsule?
prisma halo
Yeah, it wouldn't be consistent with the original otherwise
rocky lichen
I need to stop using cc for the capsule alone, get nice solid y edges instead of slopeiness
reef pecan
can someone explain what cc means in terms of like what it means for the game
reef pecan
like what's the difference between cc and no cc
prisma halo
cc means 'character controller'
in this instance, it's referring to the one built into Unity
rocky lichen
It means unity takes care of collisions
You take care of gravity and locomotion
Etc
It's robust tho
reef pecan
so like its basically a function built into the engine and not something written by the programmer
Yes?
prisma halo
I might end up replacing the controller I have now with a backing CC at some point if there are problems (from the modding side there'd be no noticeable difference though)
reef pecan
i mean it obviously works for the original dusk so 🤷
prisma halo
Yeah
reef pecan
i mean wasn't undertale made on game maker
prisma halo
It was
grand zodiac
Something something java script something something unity code something something yeets me into a bush
prisma halo
Ever wondered why David is the cheese king?
reef pecan
Because it just occurred to me i have never had dusk crash on me
prisma halo
I haven't had them for years
rare musk
I had them like, a year ago or something
graceful wing
Crowd control
vagrant vortex
@reef pecan your best bet would be to go into Endless use absolutely every cheat you can and just go nuts
It wouldn't be easy but that's your best hope
opaque spindle
stacking cheats is so wild in Dusk
reef pecan
i have made dusk drop below 40fps before by using nbff and shooting a shitton of grenades
Also btw with the old engine
you should include it in the dusk folder because there's a bunch of goodies in the dusk folder like the pre alpha and stuff
would be cool if there was like an old engine folder where you could play the old version
prisma halo
We would if it wouldn't end up bloating the game's file size
Most people won't care about having something that's effectively identical to what they have except it doesn't support mods
reef pecan
Well it could also be like a beta thing on steam where you could right click and select a beta version or smth
prisma halo
It'd mostly be kept around as a historical thing, and in case there's a bug or two speedrunners want to exploit
Yes, it'd be a separate branch
reef pecan
speaking of bugs
dusk doesnt really have a lot of bugs there's just a lot of engine exploits
like getting out of the map isn't a bug because that's literally just there's not an invisible wall above the trees
the engine is rlly rlly solid
prisma halo
Those are intentional
Hell, there are even unmarked secret areas you can only find by breaking out of the map
reef pecan
fun fact
reef pecan
on e1m8 i think, theres some buildings in the distance
the buildings are textured with a window pattern
if you get on top of those buildings, youll see that even the ceiling is made of windows
oh and there's also a clipping error on e3m1
ctrl f
from:luigi#9455 clipping error
I talked about it earlier
quiet rose
neat 
errant carbon
I have no idea how I almost passed this game up
I'm secret scrubbing on Cero for my second playthrough, and wow, I really hate that I passed up on this game when it first released
grand zodiac
You are indeed worthy
clever musk
Been binging on old school fps games and Dusk is definitely one of the best
grand zodiac
you... I like... better
errant carbon
The fact that even on my second run through I can't find all the secrets gives me hope that this game will provide me something to do for a very long time
atomic egret
ccs are just way too cheesey
rocky lichen
@prisma halo is there another break-out secret in the game besides ghost town?
prisma halo
There are a few
Should be able to find them via google since people have guides and videos etc
rocky lichen
Will dawn have its own level editor, or will it use external map tools only? If so I'd presume based on probuilder?
slow harness
hey guys when's the next dusk sale on steam gonna be?
opaque spindle
Trenchbroom is the supported map editor
simple pilot
i think dusk is worth full price
simple pilot
you're not worthy
prisma halo
@rocky lichen No in-house level editor planned as of yet
You use Quake mapping tools to create levels
slow harness
unworthy indeed
prisma halo
Such as TrenchBroom (the one we officially support use of), J.A.C.K, Radiant, etc
slow harness
how many times did you guys replay the campaign?
simple pilot
0
slow harness
how do you do the tilted text thing
simple pilot
snort
prisma halo
*text*
simple pilot
cuz i keep picking level select instead of new campaign
slow harness
i'm currently playing on duskmare
i thought it was gonna be harder
but the mobility is noice so no one can hit you
and it's not too hard to dodge the attacks
of course, if you're not getting gangbanged
simple pilot
yeah, no.
rocky lichen
I used to like worldcraft back in the day, '98-ish
slow harness
i found it easy
rocky lichen
It still worked well a few years ago, but trenchbroom is really awesome
reef pecan
alright boys who's recreating super mario 64 in dusk first
dim plank
FUNC_VEHICLE
mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
i mean, its very very doable
we have moving platforms already, so it just needs to be a steerable moving platform in its base form
crimson folio
I wanna port Hexen 2 ballista sin Dusk
dim plank
I want to drive a low-poly vehicle goddamnit
queen coral
the day we get func_vehicle in dw will be glorious
imagine cart dogs driving low poly, terrible physics karts
mild ginkgo
lol
queen coral
while spamming rivets
mild ginkgo
dusk kart 64
queen coral
I've seen it in dreams and its beautiful
reef pecan
ive always had this random scenario in my head
where like imagine one of those new fps games which is trying to replicate the feeling of a classic fps, like doom 2016
imagine if the rocket launcher was obtained by the game teasing a vehicle section
presenting a vehicle
and then ur character rips the gun off of the tank and proceeds on foot and then that's ur rocket launcher
if i ever make an fps thats going to be in it
rocky lichen
@mild ginkgo didn't fan duke 4ever do vehicles by just pretending dukes a vehicle?
queen coral
good ol' weapon vehicles
proper spade
what is dawn? Is that the planned name of the new game+ mode?
royal herald
nah it's the dev kit
proper spade
also I realized I hadn't given dusk a review yet so I just did that
I'll do that for amid evil once I play more of it
I'll probably return to it once all the episodes are out
dim plank
the most popular hate I see slung at DUSK is that "oh its just emulating the graphics and the game play sucks!!"
to 1, I say
maybe that's not your cup of tea but you shouldn't immediately say it's bad
2 - did you even bother playing past episode 1
olive cloud
well i would say that episode 1 is pretty good
grand zodiac
implying ep1 sucks
dim plank
oh, episode 1 doesn't suck
olive cloud
ooh oh
grand zodiac
yeah explain yourself
proper spade
I mean to be fair I liked the game when I played episode 1 it wasn't until episode 2 that I thought it was great
dim plank
just a lot slower paced and sometimes it lacks variety to me, but it's still good
2 and 3 are easily my favorites
proper spade
and episode 3 launched it into one of my favorite games ever
dim plank
1 isn't my favorite but I still appreciate it for what it is
olive cloud
i like episode 1 because playing throught e1 is ,,easier'' to do
because e1 is simply and e2 and e3 are wild rides
proper spade
yeah I mean I appreciated the previous episodes more when I played the next
but I still think 2 and 3 are stronger
mild ginkgo
i think 4 is the strongest by far
proper spade
u right
dim plank
I think most people kinda get turned off at 1 though, since it's just starting out and again it's a lot simpler
episode 1 is perfect to me but I can see why some people might get bored of it
mild ginkgo
yeah i think that definitely does happen
proper spade
I wouldn't say most people
mild ginkgo
there are a lot of people who arent gripped by the first 30 or so minutes
proper spade
unless you mean most people who don't like it
dim plank
most people as in the people who don't like it
mild ginkgo
so they put the game down
olive cloud
i mean i have no problem with the difficulty but 2 and 3 change everything in every lvl while 1 is a consistent experience
dim plank
yeah
proper spade
yeah I liked 1 when I started playing it but for me the hook was in 2
mild ginkgo
its a slow start for sure
dim plank
2 felt weird to me, but it's damn good to me
my favorite levels by far have to be the secret level and Escher
proper spade
which secret level
dim plank
e2ms
dim plank
uhhhh
proper spade
don't tell me
dim plank
I'll give you a hint at the least
olive cloud
i mean 2 and 3 are great but when i want to rush through levels that are easy to comprehend whencome home after a day of work
dim plank
yeye that's reasonable
olive cloud
i think sdk is gonna make this ''playstyle'' much better
vast tangle
Ep 1 is supposed to be an introduction
dim plank
I can't wait for the first func_vehicle map
vast tangle
Hence, easier
olive cloud
since there are gonna be so many levels with a simple theme and great map design
vast tangle
What I'm expecting are full custom episodes
mild ginkgo
rat maps will reign supreme
vast tangle
Think of Death Wish for Blood
proper spade
rat movie recreated in dusk
vast tangle
something like that
olive cloud
I want to add a soap rifle
proper spade
yes
olive cloud
AWsouP
dim plank
the bouncy soap rifle
olive cloud
im gonna do this screw you discord chat lurking modders
proper spade
SOAPer shotgun
olive cloud
i think that would be op
oh no wait
AWsoaP allows you to reuse the sope but the SOAPer shotgun destroys the soap and the part of the map you shot at is clean
gg
proper spade
wait stuff like this can already be done?
olive cloud
over the levels
queen coral
@proper spade yes, I've done a few mods already
won't be making much more until Dawn drops, since it was all just experimental
olive cloud
i kinda wanna make mods that are balanced. Like no crazy shit that makes the game a joke. AWsoaP is kinda silly but It's going to be balanced if i do it they way i imagine it.
proper spade
ok I love this
olive cloud
-10 soap water every second
kinda like pyro form tf2
imma make a list with soap weapons
queen coral
also most of my mods are geared towards fun/crazy shit/jokes, it's rare for me to create something serious
rose hound
Look, a good design is one that feels like it was a decision. Of you intend it to be balanced, so be it. But if balance ain't your thing, then make sure it's clear
You either go balanced or go Russian Overkill
olive cloud
I don't think about making really serious shit. But I try to make stuff balanced even when i plan on doing something crazy and fun.
reef pecan
Y'all got any funny strats you use?
On Escher Labs, I stack all of the barrels against the westmost wall of the cylinder Mama comes out of
and then i shoot it with the pistol and you can set mama on fire through the wall
then i simply leave the room, equip the cigar, go afk, and make food while mama burns to death
reef pecan
why not just use a regular boulder or something
oh shit is it because it explodes in the enemies face
like the blast mask from majora's mask
lul
What I used to do before I figured out you can set mama on fire through the wall
is i used to just donkey kong
There's one barrel in the room that isnt explosive
and you take that barrel and an explosive barrel, put them next to each other
hit the button
shoot the explosive barrel to set the non-explosive one on fire
and just chuck it at her and run
its fucking hilarious what you can do with the physics in this game
@queen coral you know what else you could do
There's a quick melee button
and if you press the quick melee while ur holding an item, you can melee the item in place
you could probably quick melee a barrel while ur holding it and detonate it at will
queen coral
thats an idea
olive cloud
I get into the shiny bright room in e1m2 and get all the items. after that i strafe jump to the part where shit goes down and spray my 30 crossbow boltss trough the wall. Cleaned Up the level
untold elm
Cant wait for dawn.
rose hound
I just killed a cowgirl only by throwing stuff at her
It was so much fucking fun
You should make an endless mode where you can only throw objects
mild ginkgo
soapmode
proper spade
They'd have to be indestrucible or respawn
Now I want to see a level built around only throwing
Is it possible to not have a weapon?
proper spade
I guess worst case you could make them do 0 damage
rose hound
I just killed one with the lead pipe