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#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
echo epoch
echo epoch
"Does Dusk have 5 letters or 4"
jagged ferry
🤔
opaque spindle
It has 8
echo epoch
Duhsskhe
opaque spindle
fair enough
rustic wadi
hi
grand zodiac
hi
opaque spindle
oh you're back with that
rustic wadi
well i shot one at point blank range and the bullets went through the rate
you cant explain that
opaque spindle
🤷
rustic wadi
noone beleives me but the hitbox is broken
im trying to do a service for the community
opaque spindle
well post some evidence of it then
and talk about it on the forums
complaining about it here will get you nowhere
rustic wadi
are u going to fix it
opaque spindle
Nah I'm not a dev
But if you post it on the forums the devs are much more likely to see it
rustic wadi
rat has a broken hit box: electric boogaloo
vague egret
if you can make forum post with your findings with as much detail as possible (video is very helpful) devs might be able to act. devs read the forum every day
same cant be said for this discord. though they hang out here, discord is awful for bug tracking
rustic wadi
ill get my secretary to send you a note via western union
graceful wing
western union? u wot?
vague egret
🤷
graceful wing
opaque spindle
gonna send Lain some dogecoin
vague egret
he can keep his vbucks. send me beer instead
coarse flint
Rats have a broken hitbox
are you sure you're just not hitting them?
jagged ferry
rats when you open a door
fast spire
let it die! just let it die!
delicate sail
E3MS has taught me the value of the mortar for sure 😁
grand zodiac
e3ms taught me that simply no game can be perfect
slate edge
royal herald
what was the third panel originally
opaque spindle
deathclaw
jagged ferry
the virgin deathclaw vs the chad wendigo
weak bluff
I haven’t been on this server for a while
Any news that I missed for dusk?
In like the last 6 weeks?
mild ginkgo
there was the mac and linux and 32bit ports
and announcement that it will be going to gog
weak bluff
Ok thanks
mild chasm
Hey guys the hitboxes on rats are broken, I'll send you a fax or two containing and notating all my evidence for this
light pivot
sly path
Let me tell you why DUSK sucks and why Capsule collider with a Spanner will be better.
echo epoch
Ew
Nerds
sturdy ermine
opaque spindle
He upgraded from minecraft and now uses roblox
crimson folio
I wonder if David will ever be able to upgrade from Roblox to RPGmaker
crimson folio
my computer cant even process these graphics
now look at dusk which was made in unity
literally no graphic
bad
lavish crescent
You guys hurt me sometimes.
lavish crescent
Outlaw Dusk
Only available through speakeasy joints in which you can buy the game on a cassette.
royal herald
How long did DUSK take from start to finish to develop?
mild ginkgo
afaik like 3 years?
vale oar
21 years. Dusk is actually the very first build of duke nukem forever stolen by David
delicate sail
The whole game actually did feel like a donkeybackride
royal herald
And what was the team size? For actual programming of the game, how many people partook in programming it? Or was it just David?
opaque spindle
Pretty much just David I think 500 might of helped a little but I'm not sure
delicate sail
That's insane tbh
royal herald
It's encouraging as I develop my own similar shooter game though.
real seal
Because David is a wizard.
royal herald
he is worthy
delicate sail
He is Larry
reef pecan
I was in this discord a while ago but left because I didn't talk too much and it made clutter, I decided to read some of my old comments on the game that I made a year ago and I'd like to make them relevant again :)
•I mentioned an idea of an enemy that is reactive to your flashlight. Perhaps an enemy that would spawn in really dark places and then if you turned on your flashlight they would turn invisible and attack you, which makes you fight them in really dark places with your flashlight off, or maybe an enemy that's really fuckin fast and scary and will beat u up but they stop when you shine your flashlight on them
•You know how you can cook viscera? Include a salt and pepper shaker that lets you season the meat and it restores more health or somethin, also it gives you an achievement for being crafty with your dusk cooking :]
•While we're at it how about we form a coalition to add the "cooking simulator" tag to dusk, we can do that right now if we want to
•A room that contains lotion (already in the game!) and a box of tissues, and if u use both, you blow your nose and care for ur skin obviously and get some morale back
•yo i suggested that you could add a numerical input next to the "sensitivity" slider so that you could input the exact sensitivity you want. when i wrote that, it was just a slider and if you wanted to make it specific you had to edit the config files, but the numeric input is in the final game!!!!! idk if it was my doing but thank you so much
•this isn't a suggestion but i did have a theory that the reason the cigar zooms in so much is because duskdude just puts the cigar up to his eye like a telescope that made me laugh
•a secret area that has a table full of like hundreds of beers, and naturally every player is gonna want to chug all of them, right? but when you drink the first beer, an invisible timer starts up. when the player inevitably inhales the ~150 beers lined up on the table, there's text on the screen that says like, "IT TOOK 00:00:32.51 SECONDS TO DRINK THEM ALL" and then the player would be like "lmao"
i've changed my opinion on a few things but a lot of these are still like, feasible i guess
wait @royal herald aren't you a tf2 player
royal herald
yeah
reef pecan
i have never spoken to you but i recognize you from like
a few highlander-related discords
royal herald
yeah and here you'll see me complaining that frag night and scrim dates are at the same time
sad but true
reef pecan
unfortunate
also i remember when i think el oshcuro said duskdude looked like ash williams but i can't find the thread anymore >:(
i like his apparent canon design where he has the beard and has the whole caleb thing going on
OH AND ALSO
if you took the soap
and like
you turned on the shower
and like, moved the mouse around in the shower with the soap in ur hand
it makes some reference to the whole showering thing that us gamers are so unfamiliar with
that would be cool too
little details like that
tough shadow
dusk gave me cubital tunnel syndrome
jolly mirage
tough shadow
hue hue hue hue hue
jagged ferry
plot twist: dusk dude is just ash williams with a beard in caleb's outfit
reef pecan
Also something I noticed
reef pecan
the armor in the game is represented as morale, which makes sense because the entire game involves going deeper into the cult environment and seeing the fucked up stuff they do so if ur morale is low it's easier to succumb to the stuff the cult has to offer and stuff and if your morale is high the dusk dude is like determined to fight against the cult and all that cool stuff
but at the start of the game
u spawn with 75 morale
which means the duskdude, after being hung underground on meathooks
woeful jungle
And he's a treasure hunter
opal plover
Also 200 hp
reef pecan
adrenaline :)
crimson folio
Caleb Jones Guy
floral iron
No new DUSK Bros episode tonight.
A family emergency kept me from editing all week.
So DUSK Bros episode 3 is delayed for now. I'll post an update video soon.
Sorry guys :c
reef pecan
also y'all know that the sickle can reflect stuff right
if you hit a projectile with the sickles it reflects back in the direction you're aiming at
i'm playing around with it because i just discovered you can do this and like
you can reflect scarecrow bullets
the stuff that the goats spit at you
i would assume basically any projectile
come to think of it, the low tech achievement seems a lot more feasible
now that i know that you can basically just reflect any projectile and throw shit at the melee only dudes
jagged ferry
i think the sword can do it too
idk about the spin melees
actually the sword can reflect with the block which is much more feasible
reef pecan
also tas mode when i want to be able to shoot people behind me by doing skillful front flips and shooting them upside down
@jagged ferry you can't spin to reflect things though that would be very cool
if you were shooting at things with the assault rifle or something you could reliably parry an enemy's attack which would not only be a reward for being skillful at the game but it would flow pretty nicely
like if you're shooting something and they arent flinching and they shoot you
you can be like "get that shit out of here" and then keep shooting at them
royal herald
That would only work with the riveter, crossbow, and mortar to an extent.
seems unnecessary
jagged ferry
he meant spinning to reflect projectiles like the sickles can do
this is #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk, not #374852069137580033
woeful jungle
heh, apparently I just got the rarest achievement in Dusk.
jagged ferry
which would be?
jagged ferry
i need to get "don't drop it" but e1m3 keeps kicking my ass
reef pecan
Somebody's Poisoned the Waterhole is what you get when you defeat the Chomper, which is a boss. I'm surprised that's the rarest achievement because it should come naturally just from playing
The achievements I don't have are
True 100%
Don't Drop It
10 Survived
20 Survived
So I hear you like...
Hardcore Parkour
I know where both of the secret levels are I just didn't play them because I was under the impression they would skip the level after
I'll get on those soon
And I haven't touched endless mode yet
Just gotta worry about true 100% and the soap achievement
jagged ferry
uh
that's
not how you get poisoned
you get poisoned by slapping the chomper with a crystal of madness
mild ginkgo
you get it by poisoning the water hole
jagged ferry
rat poison intensifies
sly path
Scott poisoned the water hole SMH
spice knot
was playing dusk again today, forgot how fun it was
reef pecan
oh well i did throw the crystal of madness at the chomper
I had no idea what it did at the time so I was carrying it around and just
Chucked it at the dude when the door opened
like "oh shit it's a dude im gonna yeet the thing i have in my hands at him"
jagged ferry
how do you get to episode 3 without figuring out what the crystal of madness does
reef pecan
never bothered looking it up
jagged ferry
but like. you never tried it before then?
reef pecan
I might have but that doesn't mean i figured out what it did
In fact I looked it up after that level
because i threw it and it made the green cloud and nothing happened
because there were no monsters for it to infight
jagged ferry
gj
reef pecan
reminder to add the cooking simulator tag to dusk
tall harbor
What will be the next big thing to be developed by New Blood after AmidEvil I wonder?
fair mirage
more bad videogames for you to waste your money on 
grand zodiac
Sukd of course
delicate sail
Reveal of that unannounced thing you guys have been teasing about when?
fair mirage
soon as dave announces it
delicate sail
So 
jade root
NB is DEAD after AE
tall harbor
I can't wait to throw my money out of the window.
slate edge
Is it an RTS featuring big john?
royal herald
For the longest time I was under the impression that the crystals of madness reduced your morale
I think the first time I saw one of them my morale was 0 and I recalled in my head that I had morale earlier.
I always avoided the things until hearing about the achievement for poisonning the waterhole.
echo hedge
Holy heck, anyone else found E2M7 hard?
jagged ferry
only the part with the cowgirl really tbh
mild ginkgo
glad you can enjoy the game
echo hedge
Yeah, the cowgirls part has killed me a few times now, gonna take it slow next time
jagged ferry
the cowgirl bit was way easier on my second run
so there's that
my main problem with e2m7 on my second run was i kept accidentally falling off the edge and forgetting to save after getting the yellow key card
muted jolt
The cowgirls in E3M3(?) Are worst, is a really small place
jagged ferry
i don't think e3m3 even has cowgirls
yeah no i'm like 99% sure that if e3 has cowgirls it's after e3m6
ik they're in e3m9 (literally every enemy [except the bosses that didn't end off e1/e2] is)
opal plover
I think you guys confused E3M7 and E3M8, E3M7 is homecoming and only has flying enemies because of the gravity changing
vague egret
check #lfg-signup if you havent. you can ping everyone for matches there
otherwise #436655258501120003 is the best night to play
echo epoch
This is kind of an odd question, but can I use Dusk assets in a Doom .wad? Working on something Dusk-related again, and wanted to know the official word.
Obviously won't be monetized or sold or able to be used for say ripping the OST.
Such as music, or making sprites from Dusk models
prisma halo
I believe the official stance is that the assets are off-limits until the SDK comes out
echo epoch
Okay, understandable. I might make some MIDIs based on the OST, then. I think using pictures of enemies and such to make my own sprites would be okay, right?
opal plover
Also would it be an issue to upload the music that's not on the ost on youtube once the SDK comes out?
echo epoch
Worst case scenario, I do everything I need and don't touch the assets until Dawn.
opal plover
To be disscussed with Andrew I assume
prisma halo
yeah
opal plover
Backwater ballistics would be a nice name for the Ep1 miniboss music
echo epoch
I'm basically wanting to de-make Dusk in Doom 2. Been on my mind for a while.
After doing Holiday a year ago it's that time again
jagged ferry
wouldn't it technically make more sense for doom 1 considering the level structure
🤔
echo epoch
I mean who plays Doom 1 wads
jagged ferry
ah
fading crane
lol good lord somehow Erebus Reaction still sounds good as an unsigned 4bit wav at 8khz
i saved a copy with those settings as a test after hearing a song that sounded like it was being played out of a remote gas station's blown out radio speakers
this is much the same, but would still work, especially if you cranked the ingame pixellation up to max
olive cloud
Imagine reading this without the context
reef pecan
@jagged ferry What's the difference between Doom 1 and 2 "considering the level structure"? I thought Doom 2 was literally the exact same engine in every single way like if you got a Doom 2 wad on a Doom 1 floppy disk it would run
opal plover
Doom 1 is episodic
maiden zinc
With Doom 1
you need to set wad's per episode and map
For instance E1M1 for the very first map
But with Doom 2 it's literally just MAP 1 - 32 (With the last two being secret levels)
echo epoch
Yeah lol different textures, entities, and I think some engine changes.
Pretty sure you can't just put the Doom 1 data into Doom 2's game, or vice versa.
prisma halo
Well, actually, you can
grand zodiac
Isn't that all stored in the .wad?
prisma halo
You can put doom 2's data into an up-to-date version of doom 1 as well
the .exe is the same
jaunty meteor
what happens to the pain elementals 💀
jagged ferry
@reef pecan well i meant like how doom has episodes while doom 2 is just one long line of levels
jagged ferry
yes
reef pecan
E3M7 is a very creative level it's a shame it's kinda short
untold elm
Kinda surprised that the duke brothers fight theme in dusks demo didn't make it into the actual game.
It sounded so freakin dope.
idle wagon
i wish the duke bros theme got releasedd
untold elm
Same.
jagged ferry
almost sounds like an early version of another track
i'm tempted to say the e3m9 part of keepers but i'm not totally sure
actually no probably not keepers
but yeah it sounds really familiar
hrn
that's how dusk works
untold elm
Yeah, it was the alpha demo of dusk.
reef pecan
e3m4 crypt of the flesh is my favorite level
very atmospheric spooky level that shows how much you can do with the atmosphere in such a pixelly purposefully ps1-like game
the ambient music is 🔥 👌
neat lotus
yo whats the e1m7 ost named on spotify ?
grand zodiac
handgun harmony?
crimson folio
does dusk support 4:3 aspect ratio?
vague egret
yes
vague egret
echo epoch
Nice
wintry rampart
Bumbled through EP3 and finished it last night. Holy hell that gauntlet on Cero Miedo is just some shit, but somehow I did both the coward route and the entire gauntlet in one sitting. What a game!
low swift
have you looked at the competition ..... this comment is late
jagged ferry
it's a bot
jagged ferry
low swift
that statement was a question posed at the discord. my bad.
elevator hasnt reached the top yet
dusk crew going to up the ante now with 3drealms barging in with quake stuff
hopefully
dim plank
dusk is a niche game and i don't know if it'll get any more popular but i sure hope so
an odd realm
between boomers and zoomers
where both sides hate you
especially the boomers ngl
mild ginkgo
we're just going to do our best to make games that are fun
low swift
make games better than wrath aeon of whatever. i want dusk 2 . make it happen
mild ginkgo
we're obviously fans of what 3dr have to offer, and hope that the game is every bit as good as we think it is
that said, yeah, we're going to continue trying to do our thing the best we can!
we have tons of stuff lined up for oyu guys
low swift
i hope its great . i just hope you betta
swift heath
I love Dusk but i cant play it too long cuz im a mega pussy
mild ginkgo
me too
swift heath
havent even finished e2 yet
swift heath
cough
swift heath
ya done good
mild ginkgo
the editor hooks into steam and detects me as playing the game
swift heath
its a great game
mild ginkgo
yeah david made an awesome thing
swift heath
im just not good at scary imagery, and i tend to wimp out after 10-20 minute sessions
mild ginkgo
i feel you
swift heath
also the sounds some of the enemies make
weak bluff
That was me with the ep2 “the dig”
swift heath
with the witches?
weak bluff
Wimped like 3 times
weak bluff
Ah
low swift
lol come on . its not that scary with the nostalgia visuals. not saying that negatively btw.
low swift
be a man
slate edge
Use explody gun, it turns everything into catfood
weak bluff
The start of the dig got me because I was low health, makes the wendigos a lot scarier
swift heath
love the game, nostalgia visuals, the feel of movement and everything else
and it wouldnt be DUSK without the creepy audio and visuals
i just cant dip in for too long lol
echo hedge
Wait until episode three... you’ll see, some weird enemies...
jagged ferry
you'll like e3m4
swift heath
i got to test the demo for it back during PAX west
yike
wait, i may have just played E2 there instead
i dont remember
echo hedge
E3M4 was fun
swift heath
Dusk is on Switch right?
echo epoch
Not yet
swift heath
ah
echo hedge
When it comes, I reckon it’ll get more popular really quick
Ready for the creepy voice fangirls?
swift heath
tons of people would be into playing it portable
echo epoch
Creepy voice fangirls? Jizzy?
echo hedge
There’s fangirls of everything…
echo epoch
Slow
low swift
dusk switch when how where
please tell me its not a month away
i need to take care of my 95 year old grandmother living near by. and dusk dude must be my salvation
jade root
itll be a bit
echo epoch
Also cherish the time with yo grandma
jade root
^
echo hedge
Dusk Dude, DooM Guy, and Minecraft Steve should have a cross over
low swift
time is irrelevant. i am a m achine
low swift
does not compute
swift heath
beeps in confused
echo hedge
Blorps in victory
swift heath
Uninstalls brain
echo hedge
Accurate to the condition of my brain tbh
swift heath
ima go eat some pringles
royal herald
How does DUSKDude hold the riveter in the middle of the screen
royal herald
does he put both hands underneath of the riveter's underbelly and like, hoist it up
that would be really bad for your back
it's so centered
echo epoch
It's like ADS I guess
swift heath
are you underestimating the upper body strength of DuskDude?
royal herald
hey man, he's fast, but he's no DOOMGuy. if we assume the rockets from cowgirls are roughly the same damage as doom's cyberdemons, revenants, and etc rockets, then DUSKDude falls in a couple of rockets, but DOOMGuy can tank like 8 to 10 at times
echo epoch
Wait lol
On what difficulty, HMP?
Duskdude with full armor/hp is pretty close to Doomguy or Ranger in terms of survivability
echo epoch
Maybe Dusks enemies are tougher
royal herald
survived nine revenant rockets
also to note I'm on brutal DOOM, I'm pretty certain they deal a lot less on normal DOOM
echo hedge
YOU FOOL, Dusk Dude and Doom Guy are very close and get coffee every Sunday
royal herald
hey man DUSKDude and DOOMGuy, and Ranger, I'm sure, are all close, but DOOMGuy is defenitley the most powerful
if you want to debate I'd prefer to do so in DMs
jagged ferry
dusk dude makes all incoming damage projectiles through sheer force of will
he doesn't need to tank rockets, he can hup past them
royal herald
let's change topic and not be anecdotal; Discuss: Does the pistol have relevance in retro-style FPS games?
jagged ferry
depends tbh
royal herald
They always get immediately replaced by the badass shotguns and there is never a shortage of ammunition most of the time
jagged ferry
i think in dusk the pistols are good for mopping up low level enemies
because yeah sure ammo is plentiful but why use it when you can just hit them with pistols
royal herald
Yeah that's what the assault rifle does. Same in DOOM, even share the same ammo pool.
echo epoch
I mean there's no debate
Doomguy is a demon
Ranger is a man
Duskdude is some lovecraftian nightmare lmao
jagged ferry
the assault rifle is more the fast fire go to
royal herald
The assault rifle isn't really good for much else other than when you run out of hunting rifle bullets or there are lots of tiny enemies
echo epoch
owo
jagged ferry
W H A T ' S T H I S
echo epoch
Hitscans are always valid
royal herald
I have pistols bound to "9" because I never have to use them. There just simply isn't any reason to have them when you can just use the AR instead. I very rarely run out of ammo for any of the weapons, besides the mortar
royal herald
shotgun for me against rats
I like to bounce stuff off walls and watch the gibs fly up from around corners
jagged ferry
the shotguns are finicky as shit against rats in my experience
i prefer just smacking them with pistols til they die
royal herald
I never take more than 2 shots to kill a rat with shotguns, and you can kill two in one shot if you're good at it
jagged ferry
if you're *lucky
plus i just think rats are a waste of shotgun ammo
i also use the pistols just to flex sometimes
royal herald
yeah I never run out of ammo though, I don't have that issue tbh.
royal herald
Seems unnecessarily lengthy and unnecessary to me. I'm going to neglect the pistols in the game I'm making
need a few 4 letter words starting with "D" though so it can be a DOOM clone
mild ginkgo
DABS
jagged ferry
I'm going to neglect the pistols in the game I'm making
echo epoch
DORK
DUMB
DANG
echo epoch
Have a machine pistol
jagged ferry
g l o c k n ' t
royal herald
Weapons:
A useful melee
A colt/strong pistol, and two less powerful ones.
A reliable, accurate, powerful shotgun
the list of items I have planned for development up to slot number 3
thought of dual pistols
echo epoch
Three pistols
jagged ferry
that strong pistol better be a whole ass revolver
royal herald
hell yeah. My interpretation is that one colt round would do similar damage to a shotgun blast, but slower, and as a backup
royal herald
Played borderlands?
jagged ferry
i am entirely not a sucker for borderlands
royal herald
Revolvers are sooooo fun. Let's hope in borderlands 3 they fix the weapon system at least
jagged ferry
tried it, didn't like it, never played it again
echo epoch
Fix?
royal herald
Yeah.
At op8 you only have a few options for weapons that actually are good, like the double harold for example, grog nozzle, and there isn't a whole lot of variety, I guess I mean.
well, nice talking with y'all, gonna go back to trying to figure out what model I should use for the shotguns in this game
echo epoch
Use a 10Ga
jagged ferry
why not an ithaca
echo epoch
Nobody ever uses anything other than 12 gauges lol
jagged ferry
i mean
royal herald
I'm looking at a benelli right now.
jagged ferry
12 gauge is the most common kind of shell, isn't it
royal herald
auto-shotties are hella cool
royal herald
👌
hollow cosmos
was watching john wolfe play faith 2 when i noticed something familiar in the corner of the screen https://imgur.com/a/p1wQ3f8
jagged ferry
oh SHIT
hollow cosmos
february
hollow cosmos
its jsut the dusk cult thingy yeah
also i know its not a reference but one of the ghosts did shout "HERETIC" in that old S.A.M. text to speech voice
royal herald
That rune is unmistakable though
hollow cosmos
faith games are free afaik and super cool, the rotoscoping animation for the scary shit is almost hypnotic
jaunty meteor
Lycanthropy
crimson folio
thank
opal plover
And celtic garamond
void flower
that 30 year old boomer Intruder rules
crimson folio
I get that I got here late, and as a lurker should probably stay in the shadows, but Vythern, melee weapons: gas can, pitchfork, any form of chainsaw, enemies, pieces of enemies, OP kick, chair, fire ax, flagpole with flag, greatsword, okaysword, badsword, guitar, skillsaw, book, chain, chain with hook on the end.
echo epoch
L4D did it
crimson folio
Seems dumb until you consider the alt-fire capacity.
echo epoch
Imagine the memes
fleet elm
Minecraft Dusk mod that replaces all the textures and models with Minecraft models and the music replaced with stuff like Eye of the spider.
opaque spindle
Dusk is vry unrealistic when you hit a gas can in real life it doesn't explode!
So why in the video game!?
fleet elm
Bandicam mod for dusk where all it does is heavily compress the visuals and audio and puts a bandicam watermark at the top.
reef pecan
im a bit late to the conversation but doomguy > duskdude > ranger
in terms of like
power
imo
or who would win in a fight
doomslayer from 2016 has incredible feats but maybe you could make a case for duskdude being stronger than doomguy from the 90s
ranger in general has weaker weapons and is much much slower than the two other characters
like dont get me wrong ranger is badass and all but he is not nearly as strong as doomguy
fleet elm
Well
In most universes eldritch horrors are much more powerful then just demons.
But the route Doom seems to be taking with its demons now.
Maybe they will upgrade them a bit.
reef pecan
the toughest regular enemies in quake are not as strong as the toughest regular enemies in doom, and quake was designed to have less enemies than doom partially due to the whole polygons are more taxing on hardware than sprites things
reef pecan
i guess the shambler is pretty tough and maybe harder to fight than the barons
but doomguy also runs quite a bit faster than ranger and generally doomguy fights barons by running around them
while in quake the easiest way to avoid shamblers is to hide behind pillars
so that the lightning doesn't hit you
i'd say they're comparable in terms of raw strength i mean you basically die in less than 3 sec if you're in melee range on any respectable difficulty
it just kinda seems like the doom marine is more equipped to fight things, the super shotgun in doom looks and sounds a lot more powerful than the one in quake and the doom marine is already a lot faster than the quake dude
i mean the shotgun in quake is basically a pistol
in doom the shotgun maintains relevancy by being like more accurate and still doing good damage to things even late in the game
i mean it's literally in quake's design documents or whatever that quake was intended to be a slower paced more atmospheric game because the polygons made it hard to make a game at the speed and pure action that is doom
stuff like longer hallways to accommodate for the player's slower running speed compared to doom, and once again, fewer enemies and weaker weapons so that you don't have a negative framerate on the hardware of the time
it's also probably worth mentioning that we're comparing 90s FPS heroes to a 2019 FPS hero made to mimic a 90s fps hero
i mean yeah the game (dusk) looks and feels like a 90s game but the way it runs and how levels are large scale with like mountains and hills and shit and trees and you can bunny hop at 2000 mph isn't really what would be expected of a 90s game, in quake it's kinda like square rooms with square staircases. and the whole "picking up objects and throwing them" thing is kinda like out of the question for a game like quake because lol physics
so some of the duskdude's power comes from just like
being a 2019 game
you feel?
like there's a level in episode 3 where you can flip the entire level in 4 directions and physics props react so it's not like they just swap in a new room like it's majora's mask in the stone tower, they actually take the whole ass level and just fwoosh with no dip in framerate, trying to do that on 90s hardware that met the requirements to run quake would be a fire hazard
so yeah i mean if you had the mortar that could shoot out 6 quadrillion explosions at once while you bhop at 6000 mph and theres all of these particle effects and you can do flips and shit at 2000 fps then he would probably be stronger than just the doomguy whos scope is limited by the pixels and not being able to do as complex manuevers
echo epoch
Ok
crimson folio
I’m reading this in gggman’s voice. Just so you know.
reef pecan
idk it's fun to think about how video game characters would shoot each other
i mean obviously now that the doomslayer exists and it's kinda like
the vision of what the doomguy was intended to be with the demons that like they wanted to make as scary as they are now in the 90s and there's LORE and shit
then yeah that's like
echo epoch
It's implied Doom Slayer = Doomguy
echo epoch
How high are you?
reef pecan
"bro he can perform fully rendered 3d fatality moves on the demons"
couldn't do that in the 90s
but thanks to Modern Technology™ that character can do that now
im doing fine
a little tired
didnt have a great day because the people who were in my botany classroom in 2nd period were dissecting feral cats the day before and the entire room reeked of cat pee
and i had to spend an hour and 17 minutes learning about plants
fleet elm
I like that Doom guys motivation in 2 is they killed his pet rabbit
reef pecan
in an environment that smelled like cat pee
fleet elm
Its like John Wick but with a rabbit and demons
echo epoch
Holy shit John Wick stole Doom 2's plot
reef pecan
i'm pretty sure that it was actually episode 4 that was kinda like the motivation
if memory serves like
when doom was first released and it only had 3 episodes
the game ended on a cliffhanger that was like
"bro ur rabbit is fuckin DEAD"
fleet elm
John Wick and Doom Guy team up to kill all animal abusers.
reef pecan
and then when the fourth episode came out it was like
echo epoch
PETA Doom Wick 3
reef pecan
"this is a bonus episode that doesn't matter as much as the other episodes and it's just an extra challenge but the story is that you are fuckin PISSED"
and then doom 2 is like when the doomguy returns to earth and finds that the demons basically found their way onto earth
and then doom 2's plot is salvage what you can of planet earth
so it was the 4th episode which was about the rabbit
jagged ferry
by shooting things.
reef pecan
yeah
reef pecan
good image
fleet elm
I actually love the lighter tones of doom guys character of him being an animal lover and stuff like him fist bumping and playing with the little doom guy figures in the new one. Adds character traits to him without saying a word.
reef pecan
btw maybe this isn't the time and place for me to spill this out because i've already burnt myself writing essays on why i believe the duskdude is stronger than 90s doomguy but not stronger than 2016 doomslayer due to Hardware Limitations™
but i really really like a lot of dusk's design choices
almost every level and fight/exploration scenario in the game has multiple solutions that you can take that accomodate for lots of playstyles
like anyone can run in with the shotguns and assault rifles and shoot people
but there's more cautious players that are rewarded for being cautious because if they use their brain and figure "hmm maybe enemies will spawn from this wall" they can crossbow the wall and kill the enemies before they're even supposed to appear
which rewards players that prefer to think over players that prefer to shoot shit as much as they can
and the cigar is just a genius design
since health pickups are technically limited it's possible to literally run out of health in a level which means that a way to get health back as long as you're patient with no side effects is really cool in and of itself but THAT'S NOT WHY IT'S COOL
stuff like the crossbow being able to shoot through walls can remind crafty players of things like counter strike or like insurgency where your bullets go through walls so clever players that can predict enemy movements will be familiar with the concept of "i can shove a bullet through this wall and it will HURT THE THING ON THE OTHER SIDE"
and the cigar is reminiscent of the regenerating health thing that a lot of fps games have
the cigar is just like that thing in call of duty where like your screen goes gray and then when u wait 15 seconds you go back to full health again but it fits with the theme of the game and that's why its perfect
any first person shooter game you've ever played in your life
jagged ferry
that thing in call of duty where like your screen goes gray
reef pecan
has a playstyle that you can adapt to dusk's singleplayer
jagged ferry
i think you mean your eyes get covered in jam
reef pecan
yeah pretty much
idk it's different in every cod
like sometimes like
ur screen gets really dirty like someone shat on the lens
jagged ferry
i don't think there's a single cod where it's the screen going grey
fleet elm
I liked the way it worked in Brothers In Arms Hells Highway
reef pecan
idk i remember a few where like the screen goes black and white and it's like "UR HURT GET TO COVER!!!!"
fleet elm
Where its just the enemies get more accurate
reef pecan
it might be one of the earlier ones
jagged ferry
wait.
reef pecan
fun fact. you know that the mortar can telefrag people? i think. maybe it was coincidental
fleet elm
Fixed
echo epoch
All projectile weapons can be teleported/jump padded
reef pecan
i was playing for like 100% completion on duskmare and then like i remembered that a bunch of wizards spawn behind you in the cutty mine
and i was like "hey since it's one hit kills i'll just die if i take this fight so I HAVE AN IDEA"
and i knew because of like demoman from tf2 and shit that if i put down a grenade that's on a timer i can essentially stickytrap things (once again the whole any fps game can be applied to dusk's singleplayer theory)
(wouldn't have had that idea if i didn't play tf2 btw)
and like
the wizards spawned and the ones that spawned inside the grenade instagibbed and then the grenade exploded
but i didnt die
and it really made me think about just how well designed the game is
the game rewarded me indirectly for planning a fight ahead and putting a grenade before i walked into the spawn flag
by making me not get jumped by 78 wizards
jagged ferry
well
you did get jumped by 78 wizards
you just instantly diagnosed them with dead before they could do anything
reef pecan
yeh
it's the part in the cutty mine where they spawn in a circle around you
and because it's a circle it's not like you can spawn them and then immediately back up
reef pecan
yeah
jagged ferry
why would you deliberately trip that to begin with
reef pecan
for the whole completionist shit
jagged ferry
i was playing for like 100% completion on duskmare
i didn't see the "100% completion" part in this sentence lmao
reef pecan
my only real complaint is that even though i like to play really passive and think about situations before i jump into them like doing cheeky shit with the crossbow
i feel like the enemies are too aggressive
which in doom 2016 was cited as a design flaw
because it caused the player to back up as soon as a fight triggered rather than walk forward
in doom 2016 the enemies kinda hold their ground more so the player has to walk at them
it feels like with the arsenal of weapons and bunny hopping and shit, the intent was to make the game to be played aggressively
but it achieves the opposite with almost every enemy in the game making a b line for the player
but if it wasn't the intent and the player is supposed to back up from every fight that's fine too
well i guess the way i'd describe it as both a good and a bad thing is the difference between rats and wendigos
wendigos are like "ah fuck where is he" and then they sprint as you and it's supposed to make the player feel like "AH FUCK GET IT OFF ME"
jagged ferry
rats are the worst enemy objectively
reef pecan
in that case
backing up is a natural response to good game design
don't wanna get caught by a wendigo because they HURT
and they're supposed to be scary
rats are just like
theyre not even a threat, but you need to back up because if they touch you you get hurt
which means the player has to play defensively and the rats are making the player their bitch
like the rats are like "i'm fuckin walkin in a straight line at you" and the player's like "oh fuck i back away from these things"
if there was a mechanic where if you jumped on their head or walked on them at a fast enough speed and they fuckin instagibbed rats would be a JOY to fight
it's a tiny ass rat i can afford to HOLD W at this creature
jagged ferry
oh god that'd be great
reef pecan
not "ohhh fuck man i dont want him to hurt me shittttt"
echo hedge
@here what weapons am I meant to have on e3m8?
echo hedge
I’m just trying to redo it, and don’t wanna “cheat”
reef pecan
tldr in the case of wendigos, it's cool that they walk at the player and make the player back up. because the wendigos are supposed to be imposing and scary. they have high health. they're fast. they do a lot of damage. it makes sense to backpedal away from them
in the case of rats it's not cool that they make a b line for you because that means a player has to retreat, as in "back away from the threat or accept defeat" from the weakest enemy in the game and i do not find that fun
other than that most of the enemies are pretty fun to fight
echo hedge
Rats suck, they’re too hard to hit
echo epoch
Git gud
jagged ferry
gitting gud doesn't make annoying things less annoying
echo epoch
😄
jagged ferry
go back to league
echo epoch
league?
jagged ferry
idk that sounds like a thing a league player would say
echo epoch
What's league?
jagged ferry
league of legends
echo hedge
Not that I’m bad, I’m pretty decent at the game (except multiplayer) I just can’t stand these tiny ass rats that I can’t hit, their hit boxes should be a bit bigger
jagged ferry
or just let us cronch them with the power of sped
jagged ferry
god dammit i have so many jokes to respond to that with but rule 1
reef pecan
i think there's a few mechanics that wouldn't really fit in a 90s game, stuff like making the whole "dive roll" thing where you look further than 90 degrees down and it makes your character kinda do that little roll thing a functional manuever rather than just a side effect of the wacky camera controls
but i mean like goomba stomps have existed since the 1980s let us goomba the rats please
echo epoch
I mean Dusk is a 2019 game not a 90s game even if it's heavily inspired
Can't just keep making Quake 2
reef pecan
yeah but like, the slide mechanic is literally just
crouching character moves forward
jagged ferry
what
reef pecan
it's not like there's like realistic slide physics where it makes dirt particles on the ground and like it's determined by speed
it's just
echo epoch
It's useful for climbing into vents and such
reef pecan
crouching character goes fast :)
jagged ferry
yeah but hupping is incredibly more effective then sliding like 99% of the time
reef pecan
and i can dig that
jagged ferry
and for going into vents it's just like
echo epoch
Can't hup into a vent
echo epoch
In DW
echo epoch
Like at least 2 maps
reef pecan
i slide against like the scarecrows whenever it's like a narrow area and i can't circle hup or anything
jagged ferry
ok well i don't play duskworld
reef pecan
like i stand still and wait for their attack
echo epoch
Then it might not be for you?
echo epoch
Speedrunners use it too
jagged ferry
well of course speedrunners would use that they're speedrunners
they find a way to make everything fast
reef pecan
come to think of it sliding is useful against most enemies with projectiles
you can stand still, bait an attack, then slide out of the way
i find it p neat
echo epoch
So it's for multiplayer, speedrunning, and creative players. Might not be for you. You can dodge under crap flying at you, too.
Just don't use it if you don't like the feature, basically.
echo epoch
Yes it is sort of there
jagged ferry
plus you can't really just "not use it" since it activates when you crouch while moving
reef pecan
i'm keeping all of my notes about the game in a .txt document, it's fun to figure out how much health all the enemy has by multiplying the amount of pistol shots it takes to kill something by 25
jagged ferry
so not using it would be even more cumbersome then using it
reef pecan
instead of just looking it up
echo epoch
Once you get how it works down it's easy to avoid accidentally using the slide, although I do recall accidentally sliding around at first.
But yeah there's a lot of situations where you can voop into a small area or under a projectile
jagged ferry
tbh i never bothered to learn how not to accidentally slide
because it never got me hurt or anything
reef pecan
i've never really tried going under a projectile but dusk is such a buttery smooth game with such good hitboxes i would imagine it would work very well
echo epoch
It's been improved but my issue with Dusk's movement would have to be the rolling after landing happening when I'm clearly landing on my feet.
jagged ferry
the only situation i can think of where i used sliding for anything other then going into a vent slightly faster while exploring was on e2m4
reef pecan
dude every time i jump down into something i have to swan dive + dive roll
reef pecan
it's so much fun
reef pecan
you can do the same thing on stairs too
just look down while you descend stairs and you'll find urself rolling at the botton
jagged ferry
tbh i kind of wish you could slide into hupping but crouched
reef pecan
actually duskdude is stronger than doomguy because he can fall an infinite distance and land on his head and be perfectly fine
jagged ferry
because atm crouching is just how to kill your speed
echo epoch
In E1M1 in the first pistol secret area, you can wedge yourself under the stairs and spin round and round, you're considered to be falling.
This also happens when re-visiting the area later
reef pecan
his flashlight works underwater
jagged ferry
also dusk dude can debatably die from falling
because falling off neobabel kills you
but you could argue that's more just killing him because there's no way to get back on the level
reef pecan
im pissed that my flashlight breaks when i fall long distances because i always do the tuck and roll when i land and despite my best efforts my flashlight still breaks
jagged ferry
i find it funny
reef pecan
any parkour expert would tell u that you can fall from any distance and as long as you roll you will be fine
jump out of an airplane ull be fine
jagged ferry
because to 100% blood and bone you have to fall down the flashlight breaking hole twice
and the second time you do it your flashlight is fine
reef pecan
i would like to bring up my enemy idea for a third time
enemy that is reactive to the flashlight.
spawns in dark places. gets angry and runs at you when you have the flashlight on. freezes when the flashlight is off
jagged ferry
oh wow
reef pecan
you gotta wander around in the dark or the thing'll fuck ur day up
reef pecan
if you can see it, because it would spawn in rlly dark places
or maybe the opposite
maybe it spawns in bright places and then tries to pull a fast one on you
and the only real way to stop it is to red light green light the fucker
jagged ferry
lmao i can imagine it being a cowboy enemy
he tries to draw on you when there's no flashlight on him
echo epoch
SCP-173 cause why not
jagged ferry
when you've got the flashlight on him he covers his face
when he's about to fire big iron intensifies
reef pecan
i kinda wish more was done with the flashlight because i feel like it's such a simple mechanic that could be made more versatile
echo epoch
enormous johnny
reef pecan
that's a concept game designers call versatile verbs
jagged ferry
enormous jon
reef pecan
stuff like
echo epoch
oversized james
reef pecan
"yeah mario's jump is a jump, but it's ALSO the main method of collecting powerups, killing enemies, getting points on the flagpole, other shit"
jagged ferry
gargantuan jimmy
reef pecan
you could be like
"yeah dusk's flashlight is a flashlight, but you can also use it to fight against x enemy"
jagged ferry
so
echo epoch
bigus johnus
jagged ferry
the spiders from metro
reef pecan
maybe
jagged ferry
big jo
reef pecan
i dunno i know nothing about metro
jagged ferry
at the very least try it
reef pecan
i will if i have time
jagged ferry
i prefer 2033 over last light mainly because like
sure
in both games getting the good ending is 16 messes in a half
but in 2033 the good ending isn't canon anyway so who cares
but in last light it is
so what the hell.
reef pecan
better yet, cool but useless easter egg
Where if you shine a flashlight in a weaker enemy's eyes at point blank they take no damage but they're guaranteed to flinch
omegalul
maybe it wouldn't be useless on like the pacifist achievement where like if someone's in the way you can just yeet a miniature flashbang into their eye sockets
that's dumb tho it would just be a funny meme
like the soap
but less useful
reef pecan
it would only be against weak enemies tho and it would probably only work once per enemy or have a long cooldown
like the 3 leathernecks at the start of the game
if one got to close you can shine a flashlight in their eyes to throw them off for a second
then you can pick up a boulder and throw it at them
simple pilot
just good?
opal plover
Box 'o skies is E2M1 confirmed
maiden zinc
So, the shotguns are based off the M1887
What where the pistols based off again?
And is there any IRL equivalent for the Hunting Rifle?
vague egret
i like to think the pistols are based off goldeneye DD44
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b9/Goldeneye_007_N64_Dual_DD44s_Firing.jpg/400px-Goldeneye_007_N64_Dual_DD44s_Firing.jpg
slate edge
they do look similiar, though on the earliest videos on Dusk that I can find, I think they were meant to be Makarov pistols
maiden zinc
Honestly I think they look more like HiPoints come ot think of it
slate edge
Things changed since then so that may not hold up, but, thats what they were then.
viral gate
I always thought they were Makarovs
vague egret
i'd hope dusk dude has a better taste in pistol. hipoint is very low quality
vague egret
🤢
sly path
The pistol is based off a makarov, looks more like a PPK in my opinion though.
vague egret
god that thing is gross
slate edge
It looks like a toy
echo epoch
Makarov plus hipoint slide oversize
sly path
Makarov's are just ugly PPKs anyway.
echo epoch
🤔
sly path
That's my hot take of the day.
Probably looks like a Hipoint because David couldn't be bothered to model a hammer.
elder haven
in the first video David did for the earliest build of DUSK the pistols were Makarovs
i think around 2:45 in the video
echo hedge
I will correct my correct my previous statement of Dusk being good. It was spectacular and I kinda want more
atomic egret
ruby swift
hmmm, tell me more about it.
crimson folio
about dusk on a CRT or something else?
crimson folio
pretty perfect
it supports 4:3 just fine
i played it at 1024x768 since thats the native res of the monitor im using
it looks extremely convincing as well
ruby swift
i wanna build a retro pc, but the last thing i think about it, it's the monitor.
crimson folio
getting ahold of a CRT is a pain
i wound up paying for mine on ebay
i'd heavily recommend checking local thrift stores and craigslist first
i did both and had no luck, so ebay was all i had left
ruby swift
I can find a lot of CRT monitors here, yet.
but i can't see myself playing at 17" CRT monitor again,
crimson folio
well, i don't intend on playing modern games on this
at least, modern games trying to be modern games
it's for old games and anime
sadly, if any old game has a 60 fps or lower framerate lock, the thing whines very loudly
at least in fullscreen
ruby swift
we can find good parts to keep at 60fps very easy
crimson folio
i don't have a retro PC, so i can't really give you any advice
i guess now i have one part of one if i decide to ever get ahold of/build one
ruby swift
Nice.
crimson folio
my GPU has a dvi-i plug, so i just got ahold of a vga > dvi-i adapter and it works
but yeah, if you can get a CRT monitor working with a PC: definitely try dusk. it's perfect on one
i think i know what screen i'm gonna do my intruder mode playthrough on now
ruby swift
i'll try one day.
spice rock
when tf will i be able to play through all 3 episodes with my friends at school
jagged ferry
when it's ready
gleaming berry
SOOONNANANANANANA
DUSK ON SWITCH
PAX EAST
NANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
maybe
dont quote me
jagged ferry
too late
dim plank
YEAH BABEY!
twin wadi
I was wondering if we get more enemies with coop system or will it be like right now?
twin wadi
Same as for kf2, borderlands and other games. More players – more enemies and they are tougher
opal plover
Flying gas mask lost souls pls
We need lost souls likes
Also will the coop get cross platform support? I wanna play with my dad who's on Mac
mild ginkgo
Yeah all the pc platforms should be cross compatible
opal plover
Nice
graceful wing
As long as steam is available you should be set
crimson folio
playing on i can take it
wait wrong screenshot
You should have kept going and make a record
actually wave 52
but hey
Is that a record
idk
i don't doubt other people have made it this far
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Lol
he was playing on the farm map too
atomic egret
pretty sure he knows that and is just clickbaiting lol
crimson folio
i watched a bit of it and he was like actually hyped when he got to about wave 26
oh yeah this guy got to like wave 60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Ek23ylI30
but i think he was playing on go easy
oh no he was playing on i can take it
yeah i didn't break any records
gotta stay on top of they health game tho
hybrid condor
am i part of the cool kids now?
eyebrow wiggles
jade root
Yes
welcome to the cool club
pick up your complimentary roll of toilet paper at daves house whenever you have the time
elder haven
69 hours played