What if it's him in a room full of all the dusk discord member's mothers.
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
lavish crescent
My relationship with my mom might actually patch up if she liked Dusk.
royal herald
one of my friends was really into DUSK, and we gamed regularly, but until he goes to college, his parents won't let him have internet, so I have to wait til next year
stone thistle
Saturday Mum Frag Night soon™
royal herald
or this summer
lavish crescent
Kill his parents.
lavish crescent
^^^
stone thistle
I wonder if DUSK players mums only play as MAMA 
royal herald
mini cowgirl model would be cool
but the hitbox
harder to hit than soldier
so thin
lavish crescent
They don't give a damn about no damn hitbox
just put some pounds on her it'll be fine
Honestly glad cowgirl isn't a playermodel
those things give me flashbacks
royal herald
they're mini cyberdemons
spice knot
duskworld mode where everyone plays as rats and everything is really huge
lavish crescent
A power up to grow bigger and step on people
Or better yet
super fast bhop onto them
olive cloud
Dusk world but we only play on good maps
jagged ferry
the server is always down
(i'm kidding i haven't actually played duskworld nearly enough to know which maps are good but still)
olive cloud
Vestibulle is good
I like Clifftop but im sure that it‘s not a viable map for tournaments.
royal herald
The only really bad map is erebus
the others are all at least playable, with the best ones being close quarters
jaunty meteor
Holiday is my pick for worst map personally
royal herald
holiday was super fun, and the hunting rifle was great on the map as well
crimson folio
Will we be able to create new bosses with the SDK?
royal herald
If it has even the basic stat modification or script-ish features, should be doable
crimson folio
Ye
royal herald
somebody is going to make cowgirl rockets like revenant rockets
or those spider things, are they actually called vore's? quake?
brutal DUSK
grand zodiac
yeah vores
vale oar
arch vores
grand zodiac
people don't say that about me when I make wet slapping noises
what am I doing wrong
vale oar
u do not explode upon death
crimson folio
That is how Quake 1 works
olive cloud
Sdk:Dusk battle royale
shrewd bough
lavish crescent
Black Phillip burgers sound repulsive.
jagged ferry
brutal dusk
hunting rifle: hello there
radiant lily
elder haven
black phillip burgers don't sound good. goat meat doesn't lend itself to ground meat as well as beef
regular burger with goat cheese though? magnificent
royal herald
whoah, can we get a DUSK port to DOOM?
take some pictures of the sprites, crop em, code in some attacks and make the weapons, we could have DUSK on gzdoom
desert aspen
I bet things like jump pads would be a bit of a problem in doom
royal herald
Nah, not at all.
people already implemented double jump and ledge grab mechanics from DOOM 2016 into it, rocket jumping is a thing, etc etc.
jagged ferry
you underestimate the sheer force of will of the doom modding community
hollow cosmos
crimson folio
The doom modding community is the world’s most powerful singular hive mind they will find away to get it in doom somehow
loud needle
MFW in High-School my friend messages me "Hey check out this cool doom mod I found" and it is one of the WADs I created ( ಠ_ಠ)
I never told him it was mine either
jagged ferry
what was the mod
jagged ferry
holy shit
i just telefragged the guardian so hard i broke the music
also i've beaten episodes 1 and 2 on intruder cero miedo now
it's way more fun
opal plover
What happened to the music
jagged ferry
i telefragged him in the non-fleshy area place thing
and the fight music only played for a bit
opal plover
And then played again in the blood part?
opal plover
Yeah that's what happens when you kill him before getting to both his spawn locations
opal plover
Nice
jagged ferry
ig i just proved i can telefrag the guardian on duskmare
🤔
in my experience intruder mode is just about keeping your health/morale as high as possible, ammo be damned (since you'll lose it all anyway)
rocky lichen
we shovin right off, shovin right off again
vale oar
game broken, pls refund, do not support lazy ass devs
atomic egret
working as intended
vale oar
lame excuses
atomic egret
it's a feature
thorn patrol
Kickshove
atomic egret
kuleshov
rocky lichen
jumpshove?
obtuse harness
Hey guys quick question, is there a way to fool around with the settings to help people who get motion sickness from playing? I finally got my dad to play it and about 20% through E1M2 he had to go lay down due to said motion sickness. He plays console games fine so I'm guessing its being to close to a screen?
delicate sail
Hey guys, just wondering about your workflow: Any new updates to look out for soon (e.g. new Duskworld content) or is everyone busy with preparing the GOG release before anything new is worked on content-wise?
mild ginkgo
gog release is the primary focus atm, but that will coincide with some stuff
delicate sail
Awesome, thanks!
graceful wing
Yep not much to announce right now
mild ginkgo
rest assured there is more stuff on the way
and NEW things from New Blood
but thats for another day ;)
delicate sail
Uuh, like unannounced stuff? I'm intrigued... about more stuff coming in, I'm sure there will. You guys have been great in communicating and following through on things you put on the road map throughout the whole process, so I'm not worried there. Big shout out to you there! Was just wondering since I'm looking forward to the stuff on the road map, but take your time, it has been more than worth it to wait for more stuff to come
rocky lichen
@mild ginkgo I think gog requires you to build your own installers and manual patch builds IIRC? Other than that, what's the major hurdles with gog release preparations?
mild ginkgo
yes unannounced stuff
youll hear about that soon, but that doesnt mean it distracts from dusks roadmap in any way
as for the gog release, we want to make sure people on both steam and gog are capable of playing together, as well as some additional content
so thats the "hold up" on gog as it were
rocky lichen
Ahh I see
frail shuttle
Lol the super secret exit in E1M2. Obtuse but laughed when I figured it out.
opal plover
Don't you mean E3M4?
frail shuttle
I haven't gotten to play episode 3 yet 😦 Got very busy but Dusk is at the top of my list and replaying the entire game intruder mode. Knocked out ep 1 yesterday.
opal plover
Nice
Nothing really obtuse or funny about the E1M2 secret exit, unless you're talking about the basket ball
frail shuttle
You're a secret master. I miss those details all the time or walk by the obvious misaligned walls.
grand zodiac
that e3m4 exit was super funny when i figured it out
bold lotus
hey bois good game thx for all your hard work
mild ginkgo
Cheers
desert aspen
e3m4 is probably my fav atmospheric level in dusk
royal herald
I swear, I hear that a lot, am I insane or do a lot of people REALLY like e3m4's aesthetic?
echo epoch
Which is m4
mild ginkgo
flesh level
opal plover
@royal herald Everybody loves a flesh level
grand zodiac
Every sci-fi/fantasy shooter needs a level like e3m4
jagged ferry
ok well
maybe not all of them
we don't wanna make it another sewer level type ordeal
grand zodiac
Only if its original though
delicate sail
Just quickly threw together a DUSK OST wad for DOOM and I gotta say, the more atmospheric tone of DUSK fits DOOM surprisingly well. Really emphasizes the horror components
lusty fable
I'm still waiting for a dusk enemy and weapons mod so I can play every doom wad with dusk stuff
Also can you link to the music wad you made?
delicate sail
I'm pretty sure I can't, since it uses mp3s from Andrew's official OST which comes with the intruder edition
crisp lion
theoretically I mean it'd be slightly not as bad if it were just the ripped audio, but uhhh
probs warez
so i ain't sayin nuthin beyond what I just said
delicate sail
All I did was throw the mp3s in SLADE and rename them according to their function tho, so I'm sure you can come up with something far better than me in like 30 minutes
But yeah I'm not gonna distribute them...
It'd be awesome if Andrew put together his own wad that then came with the Intruder Edition OST to use in DOOM / DOOM 2.
grand zodiac
so basically duskworld?
jolly mirage
But in the story maps
torn panther
so more like its a race to get through the story map against your friends?
jolly mirage
Sure
maiden zinc
"My pet, you all will pay for that"
grand zodiac
"Embrace each other"
dim plank
Sven Coop but HUP
grand zodiac
I once did that and made the mistake of firing the crossbow
maiden zinc
Or you could've just went into that one Episode 3 map and stacked RF Totems
grand zodiac
well it's not exactly 20 is it
olive cloud
https://youtu.be/9qYWiUIiBys but Dusk is based on Quake and blood
slate edge
Gameplay flows more like Doom
vale oar
How DOOM became DUSK: delete "OOM", insert "USK"
mild chasm
That's actually all it took to develop dusk was just replace oom with usk
David just took several years to hit backspace 3 times and then type in the individual letters for usk
that's how we got the game in several stages of development and all
balmy sluice
vale oar
DUM
vale oar
You'll be REALLY scared if u see Bigus Johnus
floral iron
fair mirage
sturdy ermine
serene pewter
took too long to load the sounds
grand zodiac
Wow Dusk is out bois!!!
vast tangle
Really? Hadn't noticed
vague egret
The bot lies
crimson folio
It isn't out on switch yet
delicate sail
Btw, did DUSK hit 100k copies yet? Just curious to see whether the sales keep on rolling in, you guys would definitely deserve it
jade root
Idk I'll ask dave later
delicate sail
olive cloud
^
maiden zinc
Is this Jakob?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0azuldXcAAwm7P.png
mild ginkgo
yes
maiden zinc
XD
echo epoch
worthy
maiden zinc
Literally just found it on twitter . . .
quiet rose
worldly beacon
Female Intruder.
grand zodiac
But then... he came along.
He who was brighter, he who was hotter
He... I like... better.
maiden zinc
"Who did you expect was at the end of all of this?, Big John? The Intoxigator, perhaps? . . . No. It's just . . . me"
grand zodiac
One as many appears
vale oar
Lil'neck appears*
grand zodiac
Little as many
thorn trout
tfw Big John is more of a meme than you are
dim plank
nyarlithotep turned into Big John to see just how powerful DD was
grand zodiac
do you ever feel like Big John stays in Erebus because he fears what he created?
oblique briar
I thought Jakob wore a black mask and had a weird head for longer than I'm willing to admit
grand zodiac
you meant you thought his hair was his face?
oblique briar
yeah
oblique briar
Thought he had some palpatine shit going on at the back
crimson folio
I just realised there’s been some serious dusk retconning
maiden zinc
Oh?]
maiden zinc
I guess it's to be more fitting to the voice?
woeful sonnet
Nyarlethotep>big john
sly path
What paintings?
crimson folio
Check the house in e1m2
sly path
Ah okay.
opal plover
@crimson folio I mean there's nothing that says the Francis Bacon painting is Jakob
vague egret
dave on a podcast talking about dusk
https://www.twitch.tv/fragmentsofsilicon
GET IN THERE
viral gate
ooooooooooooooo
plucky pivot
I just completed episode 2, but it won't let me play nameless city
wait, nvm, figured it out
jagged ferry
epic
graceful wing
oh hey, are you the guy from here @plucky pivot ? https://steamcommunity.com/app/519860/discussions/1/1843566500513704320/
plucky pivot
yes
graceful wing
alrighty
plucky pivot
but it says"I'm Dr. Greenthumb"
graceful wing
would you mind sharing what the issue was just for future reference?
plucky pivot
no no no, i was just an idiot. I didn't think to start a new episode. I was trying to load in, and I couldn't access the new area because I hadn't even started it yet.
graceful wing
ah 😄
plucky pivot
but thank you
graceful wing
well glad you figured it out. enjoy ep3!
jade root
Hello dusk keys?
sly path
Jab stop talking to inanimate numbers.
delicate sail
Just cuz it has come up a couple of times, what would you think of making the first level of each episode available on the level select screen when starting from scratch?
jade root
Not a bad idea
delicate sail
Didn't have the issue, but I did find it odd that I could access the level select screen and there was nothing to do there when I nuked my saves once
gleaming berry
well not every episode from scratch
but if u beat 1 then E2M1 should be unlocked I guess
if we can do that
since people still cant seem to figure out
NEW EPISODE
for starting a new episode
but also then it wouldn't play the movie sooooooooooooooooooo
delicate sail
Yeah. Or maybe grey out the level selects that are still empty? Idk...
delicate sail
Yeah, you're right. Guess there's always a downside, even if a “You're not supposed to be here, go to New Episode“-message would display 😁
jade root
People can't read
delicate sail
Haha, like quippy text when you try to click on an episode you haven't played yet in the level select screen... “where is it?“
jade root
Hey gamers reminder
slate edge
Heh, I was cool in 2016....
vague egret
Cool baby
Absolute legend
grand zodiac
Nice try, I will never preorder.
atomic egret
I didn't preorder because I got the game for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
atomic egret
grand zodiac
Okay now take it easy
vague egret
maiden zinc
More like outHUP'd
jade root
slate edge
Dave has several forms, you cannot outgun
atomic egret
Dusk's smart pistol, the equipable auto turret
opaque spindle
I preordered the game like a good person
royal herald
I didn't realize DUSK was available before 2018, honestly.
Really dissapointed that that is the case. Probably wouldn't have pre-ordered since before DUSK I'd never seen Newblood.
delicate sail
DUSK was honestly the first preorder I ever did
royal herald
Come to think of it, I don't think I have ever pre-ordered games.
Waiiit no, I pre-ordered Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate for the 3DS.
jagged ferry
i didn't even know dusk existed until after it came out
royal herald
and DOOM 2016 I think...
Yeah same here
I remember doing a countdown for DOOM 2016 for over 100 days, pretty sure I pre-ordered it despite people thinking it would suck.
delicate sail
Fortunately I had a modded DOOM phase back in 2017 and came across Andrew's IDKFA remake
That's how I learned about DUSK in the first palce
royal herald
I have a yearly modded DOOM phase where I sink a thousand hours into it and brutal DOOM.
The IDKFA remake is amazing, but I just wish it could be on spotify and my 2500 song metal playlist.
As andrew explained already, copyright stuffs prevent that.
delicate sail
Not really a Brutal DOOM guy, but yeah, sometimes I just spend hours to just find the combination of mods that hits the spot.
Talking about mods, recently started another Arcane Dimensions run and I'd really like to see the current Quake 1.5 weapons in AD. Just don't dig the vanilla weapon set in Quake. This is probably something for modders basement now that I think of it
grand zodiac
DUSK IS OUT EVERYONE!!
vague egret
Lies
grand zodiac
are you saying shillboi is lying??
vague egret
Shill never lies. He is telling you exactly what the illuminati wants you to believe
graceful wing
🔺
dim plank
shill is god
slate edge
Shill is a lesser Dave
vale oar
illumilain
pastel olive
Hey everyone! I'm working on a full guide for DUSK atm.
Do you think I should leave secrets like that or simply write them without spoilers?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1665692062
grand zodiac
if somebody opens the guide that says secrets and soap locations then there is no reason to put spoiler tags inside it
just slap a [SPOILERS] in the title for good measure
pastel olive
Alright! I just remember myself trying to find them all on my own, but I couldn't find the actual hints for the missing 15 or so anywhere
grand zodiac
so what's the problem?
pastel olive
No problems, just want to know the opinion of DUSK players. I'll most likely remove the spoiler bars
delicate sail
Literally. Unplayable.
vale oar
dat 4:3 aspect tho
grand zodiac
i feel bad for not recognising what level this is
delicate sail
e3m6
vale oar
Brimstone Ghetto
delicate sail
The madman
grand zodiac
i mean i totally new which level this was all along and i was just fucking with you to test you
delicate sail
What a plottwist
vale oar
lmao
vale oar
devs too lazy
viral crow
Found out a colleague is into Dusk yesterday, so managed to get in three PvP games on our lunch hour today. Good times.
(It was 2:1 to me)
clear badger
kek
thats actually pretty cool
if i try to play dusk online with people in my age group i either stomp them or they get mad and confused (same with most arena shooters, i grew up on quake)
delicate sail
Just wait until DUSK comes out on switch... DW/ Coop on the go 😮
clear badger
OOOO DONT GET ME EXCITED LAD
vague egret
We only watch meme videos in the internal discord. Maybe funny tweets
Very professional work environment
crimson folio
dusk battle royale but it's actually a minesweeper battle royale game
maiden zinc
Dusk Battle Royale but we're all lead into the infernal machine
last one to get muchled wins
frail shuttle
Arena shooters have ridiculous skill caps. I've played brood war and arena shooters are right up there at that difficulty. I rage too hard at them and accepted my mediocrity. My blood boils every railgun shot lol.
crimson folio
Brutal
crimson folio
Dusk VR but it makes me high as a kite 
dusk is a legal drug now
side effects include seeing cultist running around your room saying hup and hearing a deep voice talk about sacrifices
lusty fable
Any one up for playing dusk multiplayer?
untold elm
Nintendo switch Dusk needs to have full customization with controller bindings.
The way I play console FPS I need to have custom buttons or It just doesn't work.
jade root
pretty sure its planned
lavish crescent
Brain hurting image.
spice knot
when you have the FOV really high
lavish crescent
I want to see into my arm sockets, if the fov doesn't reach that point then don't waste my time
jagged ferry
beat dusk on intruder cero miedo
e3m9 and e3m10 play basically the same since they give you all the weapons and full ammo regardless so i just went through them as fast as i could without dying
pastel olive
Good job, time for intruder DUSKMARE
pastel olive
It’s a good challenge though
atomic egret
👍
dark brook
dark brook
Oh wow
Well, will you come back quoting Army of Darkness then?
That might make you feel better
hoary cedar
If any of you greasy nerds feel up for it, come get fragged in MP dusk ❤
crimson folio
serious question why is wall climbing a power up in the single player mode?
vast tangle
Because why not
crimson folio
because auto climbing is less tedious 😛
play turok 1 now imagine if you had to hold down a button to climb up stuff
fallen warren
But how much do you climb in the game? Not much. I don’t find it an issue. You might have to hold down the button for 30 seconds to a minute at a time.
crimson folio
except episode 2
were it's lots of climbing
the metal cage part is were it gets really annoying
fallen warren
Are you talking about that part in The Infernal Machine? That doesn’t take that long. That is the only climbing part I remember that took any thought, and even then, it’s not a big deal. It’s just holding a button.
crimson folio
i would tell you something but i don't want to be scorned for it
fallen warren
Pressing a button or auto climbing wouldn’t be as satisfying or work as well because all you are really doing is flying up a wall
I mean I’m really hyped to see Duskdude start scaling a wall using pure willpower in co-op.
crimson folio
again if i told you why it's hard it would end bad for both of us
crimson folio
you know what fek it i'm a controller pleb and i used my og xbox controller s to play dusk and none of the control setups work with that paticular controller which could easily be solved by customizable buttons 
also whatever intern came up with click the joystick you use to look around to climb should be tortured and burned 
fallow mesa
so, you're not a fan of a certain aspect of dusk, because it doesn't work well... with the Duke?
crimson folio
nah the controller s i made a usb adapter for it
cause i'm cheap as fuk
also i had solder
fair mirage
i'd suggest using steam input for now but i'm not sure that'll work with something like that
crimson folio
or just get off my og xbox controller shit and get the 360 controller
not a bad game though i really like the effort and the visual options and all that
i can make it look like a dreamcast era game so that is good to me
keep in mind i'm probably like the 2% of people that use a usb modded controller s so it's not a mega huge deal just ends up feeling weird
i'm pretty sure if i had a 360 controller and the climb was a bumper button this noob complaint would go away
maiden zinc
How hard can game development be . . . ?
slate edge
Well, unity is free
graceful wing
Download unity
Download asset packs
Throw assets all around a project
Sell on steam
grand zodiac
"How hard can game development be . . . ?" - Berkan
crimson folio
Devs, plz make this real. I have to use my old anaglyph glasses somewhere 😉 http://oi66.tinypic.com/2nq9jwz.jpg
olive cloud
@crimson folio S D K
jolly mirage
Dusk VR when?
thorn trout
Dusk VR would kill people
opal plover
But that's exactly what you're looking for, isn't it?
slate edge
Dusk VR would be good for training cosmonauts
olive cloud
Dusk Vr should be a game that is absolutly loved by all dusk fans even though it's garbage. There should be one unfortunate youtuber that makes a video saying that Dusk Vr is garbage. That guy is gonna have his reputation destroyed.
royal herald
I don't see anything unlikable about DUSK
The developers outright refused to make a "modern" game, what with microtransactions, pay to win grinding style gameplay; DUSK is just
a honest game, made by somebody passionate about the genre
How could you not like and appreciate DUSK Vr when it's made by these guys?
graceful wing
Dusk vr would be garbage
But we'll probably deliver on it if there's enough demand for it
All I'm gonna say is you better have a bucket nearby before playing dusk vr
slate edge
I mean, it might make for good training for fighter pilots but im not sure how you`d reliably control it
mild ginkgo
We do actually have a plan for how it would work
echo epoch
TB would've loved Ep3
grand zodiac
hey I just found a bug
when you have more than 100 morale and you sleep, you lose morale down to 100
crimson folio
discord ruined dusk for me but it's fine 🔥 🔥
royal herald
It greatly improved my experience, meeting new players, the lfg channel, so on, so on
What made it worse for you?
maiden zinc
^ Same for me
pearl ibex
Will I live to see Dawn. 
olive cloud
Dawn will make this game perfect because we can change all the little nitpicks that we can just fix...
pearl ibex
And make our dream maps.
crisp lion
👏 Hulshult's 👏 Ambient 👏 Music 👏 Is 👏 Underrated 👏
opaque spindle
Almost everybody here praises it though
crisp lion
X - Doubt
Every time I see people talking about DUSK's music here, it's always the action/metal music.
Blah Blah, Departure to Destruction is best track, blah blah
probably just the peasant rats, and lurkers though
opaque spindle
mhm most people praise the ambient shit most of the time
I rarely ever see them praise the usual shit
lavish crescent
Why can't we like both
opaque spindle
Because lightning's brain don't work too good
lavish crescent
Awh.
vast tangle
Ashes to Ashes, Dusk to Dusk is dope
maiden zinc
^
Power of Babel is also a fantastic track
Ngl, some of the battle tracks that come on in chapter 1 feel kinda same-y, but not in a leitmotif way
whilst good (and catchy), get much better later on.
royal herald
DUSK has inspired me to make a game in similar fashion as of late, and if it ever goes anywhere, I'll know who to thank.
crimson folio
i'm not aloud to make a game because it would be so twisted and fucked up that the ESRB would ban it from existing heh
but i do have a notebook full of story i wrote based on experiences irl
atomic egret
do they have anything to do with not owning a smartphone
crimson folio
nah
royal herald
livin in the moment
crimson folio
also i don't see how not owning a smartphone is not a big deal? what are you? some kind of facebook pleb?
royal herald
it's a meme 🅱
opaque spindle
what do you guys not have phones?
atomic egret
royal herald
What ever happened to diablo?
atomic egret
netease
crimson folio
holy crap he does not have a smartphone stop the presses he is not sitting on facebook and twitter on a phone all day while his house gets more and more filthy like the rest of society END OF THE WORLD!
opaque spindle
royal herald
r/woosh
crimson folio
it's not a joke if you don't specify that it is welcome to discord aka the internet
heck
royal herald
hey man, you just weren't up to date with the diablo thing, no need to be toxic
opaque spindle
^
crimson folio
oh boy now he is toxic as fuk like nuclear waste 
opaque spindle
that ain't dusk
opaque spindle
lol quit bein a smart ass get on topic or take it to #bnnuy-and-the-jits
last warning
woeful sonnet
crimson folio
i stated that i could not realease a game because ESRB and you asked if it had to do with not owning a phone don't blame me for the conversation you started
hollow ivyBOT
opaque spindle
knock the crap off and move to general
crimson folio
wow really?
prisma halo
lol he left
opaque spindle
I just bring out the best in people don't I
royal herald
Man, dude could have been fine.
Should've blown off some steam on duskworld.
opaque spindle
Anyways back to your regularly scheduled dusk talk guys
sorry about the interruption
woeful sonnet
In other news, dusk total conversion mods when 
jagged ferry
a total conversion where everything is the same except the game is set in the wild west
inb4 "but what about the guns and levels", to which i'd say you know what i mean
woeful sonnet
so basically the grass textures are replaced with sand and sphere's with flat shades of brown as tumble weeds
royal herald
There was extensive discussion earlier, I think, about the weaponry
jagged ferry
@woeful sonnet lmao
royal herald
somebody already had the idea to make a TC western version
jagged ferry
so blood but it's caleb hunting bounties in the wild west?
woeful sonnet
sure why not, he was a western gun slinger.
royal herald
interesting.
jagged ferry
"aim for the heart, ramone."
royal herald
Different character dynamic
woeful sonnet
"Caleb was born in western Texas in 1847. By the age of seventeen he was well known as a merciless gunfighter with a hunger for bloodshed. Seven years later he came across a burned-out homestead with a single occupant, a woman named Ophelia Price. She was completely mad when Caleb found her, but from what he could gather from her near incomprehensible ramblings, she and her husband were members of an evil cult called the Cabal, who worshipped the dark god Tchernobog. When her husband later tried to leave the Cabal they responded by torching their homestead, killing him as well as their young son. Ophelia blamed her husband for their plight." https://blood-wiki.org/index.php/Caleb
jagged ferry
i, too, have read the wiki
also >western Texas
damn
caleb is the most american american, huh?
woeful sonnet
Also I demand dusk 2 sees a second protagonist traveling to the heart of dusk to conquer the dusk 1 dusk dude except now dusk is mega scifi city and half the environments are constantly reused, half the guns are useless damage values on everything are randomized and a crappily modeled and poorly animated dusk dude kind of just floats around and is voiced by nicholas cage.
dim plank
F
gleaming berry
NANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
echo epoch
👀
agile helm
does anyone else have trouble getting the Pacifist award on E2M10?
I did not kill the Guardian and finished the level, yet I did not earn the award
magic reef
^
opal plover
Even if he doesn't take damage, his own explosives cancels it out
delicate sail
Despite the fact that the guardian does 0hp self damage, doing self-hits with his grenades still takes away pacifist
magic reef
It's weird because the final boss isn't considered as a normal enemy
delicate sail
While I still think this is one of the things that's super counter intuitive, there are ways to safely acquire pacifist, like hitting the switches with the crossbow without spawning the guardian
Also, I think it was 500 who pointed out that there is a route in which the guardian spawns and you still consistently get pacifist.
It's still weird to me though, cuz there's no indicator for the player that he did anything wrong
Something like the first self-hit doing 1hp self-damage would be enough for players to get what's happening imo
crisp lion
I have unironically played the DUSK music in reverse (soundtrack, and ripped .wavs) and honestly it's just really fucking trippy.
opal plover
No shit
agile helm
strangely, I am sure I was able to get pacifist, after rocket jumping over an enemy once
the explosion was close enough to the enemy, but did not kill it
so that leaves me with 3 levels in the second episode, where I have to get pacifist trophies
maiden zinc
The only time I get pacifist was on the final level
It's super-easy, just let the mages kill the final boss when his health drops
opal plover
Easy on E3M9 too
oblique briar
I only play pacifist because I like seeing the sickles on the level select change colour when I acquire more medals
agile helm
E3M9 does not count
I have been able to get Pacifist, Low Tech AND Untouchable on E1M1
but I don't recommend doing it on other levels
lusty fable
Hey, when you kill big John, can you say you popped a john?
maiden zinc
Fuck sake
I dropped my second Crystal I was saving for the bone priests or monks or something
delicate sail
Pacifist feels the most inconsistent of the trophies, since E3M10 changes the rules a bit for the sake of a good end fight that's not cheesable
or at least not avoidable
forgot the obligatory "imo"
If it was to be consistent, pacifist would have to make an exception for bosses in that it only gets taken away if the boss is killed, while the condition of enemies only having to get hurt remains the same
Looking at the entirety of the levels in the campaign as is, that would only really alter E2M10, since E1M10 has "normal" enemies in it that still can't be hurt, making it a challenge either way to get pacifist
And looking at the damage output of Mr. Pyjamapants (aka the Guardian), I'd say it would still be an active challenge to get pacifist without just blasting him until he explodes into chunks
(if the boss is killed by the player, that is)
Btw, does telefragging give you pacifist? A guy in the forums suggested getting it that way.
grand zodiac
so normally boss not getting hurt is a requirement for pacifist?
agile helm
no idea if it is possible to get the trophy that way
I did telefrag the boss, while playing on Duskmare, but I did not get Pacifist
and also I did not get the trophy without personally doing damage
by the way, when a Firebat (yes, I will call them that) blows and kills an enemy, does that count as a player kill?
delicate sail
What do you mean by firebat tho?
echo epoch
Welder
delicate sail
Ah
Good question. I'd guess it'd count as an environmental kill, like an explosive barrel
agile helm
ever played the original Star Craft?
delicate sail
Not sure if those are player kills tho
agile helm
could be
delicate sail
Yeah, but never enough to know all the units by heart
echo epoch
Seems about the same as infighting kills
agile helm
because I have been unable to get Pacifist on E2M1 and E2MS
where Welders get to infight
echo epoch
🤔
echo epoch
Imagine playing Dusk lol
delicate sail
I thought that once an enemy is hurt, pacifist will not unlock
agile helm
it may work differently in some cases
or the explosion to not always register correctly
like I said, I have gotten the prophy, despite rocket jumping over an enemy
and the splash clearly hit the enemy, without killing it
delicate sail
Hmm...
agile helm
if only I could debug the game's trophy tracking...
grand zodiac
some other runner said they completed many levels with a non-zero amount of kill tally and it still counted as pacifist
agile helm
I have little such runs
enemies get to infight all the time
question is, what breaks the pacifist run?
here is a list of stuff I am 100% sure:
personal kills
death from a barrel explosion, regardless of what blew it
delicate sail
From Synteks (NB Mod) in the steam forums:
"It's not them killing each other, that's not what counts against you. It's them shooting explosive barrels and dying from that.
For now at least, try working around that and getting those barrels out of the way of the infighting."
agile helm
I am still questioning welders
delicate sail
If only we had a nifty tool to test it, like... something to build our own levels... an ...SDK if you will
agile helm
or a debugger
like an onscreen events printer
or something like what multiplayer games do:
playerA [weapon icon] playerB
maiden zinc
Isn't this a discussion for #374852069137580033 if this is MP?
agile helm
no no
it is about tracking what killed enemies in singleplayer
because trophies
damn it - I forgot to search for the soap in E2M9
crimson folio
I didn't find all soap yet.
maiden zinc
Is the soap supposed to be a reference to something?
maiden zinc
Because they're unclean in the eyes of Dusk Dude?
agile helm
alright - E2M1 and E2MS fully completed
no welders and barrels were harmed in the making of the runs
I will have to note, that I don't destroy turrets
although it would have made sense destroying them not to count for the pacifist run
yep - if the Guardian inflicts himself damage, it ruins the pacifist run
royal herald
y'know that last level, nyalralrhaerlar doesn't actually die. What if the only way to actually kill him and not be a pacifist is to soap him down?
alternate ending?
delicate sail
Guess we'll have to wait until item spawning is a thing to find out
agile helm
also, thank you, to the one who mentioned, that the 4 buttons can be pressed by shooting at them
because that worked
delicate sail
np 😃
vast tangle
Nyarlathotep, get yer Lovecraft right
agile helm
well, that is 100% of episode 2
oh for f...!
the soap in E2M9 was in the very last secret
damn it
agile helm
I think Episode 3 will be where pacifism is going to get pretty tough
especially with all the crossbow corridors
still, there are crystals, so there is that
so far, I have cheated twice on my completion:
played The Mines on Accessible
used crossbow to press the 4 button without waking the Guardian
paper oyster
how do i beat the cutty mine on pacifist? 
opaque spindle
very carefully
paper oyster
Undertale taught me that a pacifist playthrough is nice and comforting. Boy was it wrong
agile helm
I played on the lowest difficulty on the Cutty mine
and was able to glitch out of the hoards of enemies
paper oyster
How? 👀
agile helm
lowest difficulty just so you can survive long enough
can't explain exactly how some times I can climb on top of enemies
but still - try the lowest difficulty
paper oyster
Sure, i just need to get my pacifier first 
jagged ferry
you mean the fast fire totem?
agile helm
yeah
in that same level, the totem is placed as a strange bait
yeah, it spawns some enemies, but you get to shoot them down at a faster rate
aside from being fun to pick on first run, it kinda kills it's own purpose
jagged ferry
trust no one, not even yourself
desert aspen
Trust your eyes
jagged ferry
ok, so that was a fucking lie.
royal herald
I might actually try a pacifist run when an achievement comes out for it, but for now I see no need
rocky lichen
only true bigjohn
short cradle
now we need cyberjohn
agile helm
is there supposed to be some kind of strategy to survival in endless?
agile helm
something to conserve health and not run out of ammo
vale oar
Nbdeity
royal herald
Yeah, keep moving.
agile helm
yeah, I still only got to wave 10 after a number of tries
ran out of ammo in one of my attempts
got to figure out how to get enemies to fight each other and cluster them
and I am misunderstanding endless, or is it just me wanting health packs to respawn?
vale oar
Its not that easy like in doom etc, in dusk the enemy attack is interrupted when player is out of sight
jade root
you gotta play smart and develop your own strats
agile helm
or I just don't have the patience
jade root
you arent gonna make it to wave one zillion after a single day of play
learn enemy queues, bullet patterns/damage, ammo spawn points
agile helm
does endless mode has a point at which waves stop getting more difficult?
agile helm
still curious
agile helm
maybe someone to go make a tool assisted run and make the game crash by an integer overflow
jade root
hank got to round 100-something during the games endless demo so idk
maiden zinc
Just beat DUSK on the 2nd to last difficulty
And by god that was a slog in the last chapter.
jagged ferry
chapter? do you mean e3 or specifically e3m10
maiden zinc
E3 entirely
Favroute map?
Blasphemy
Least favroute map?
The Dig
Favroute Enemy?
Soldier
Least favroute enemy?
Cowgirl
Favroute weapon?
Super Shotgun
Least favroute weapon?
Handgun (x1)
Favroute Boss?
Jakob
Least favroute boss?
Mama
jagged ferry
*favourite
also the only times i didn't play on cero miedo were when i was going for achievements (duskmare for the duskmare achievement, accessible for the rest so they weren't overcomplicated)
so i didn't find it a slog at all lol
maiden zinc
I just wanted to beat it on Cero Meido because I can
maiden zinc
I could always cay Seirra Maid and trigger everyone
jagged ferry
sierra maid
maiden zinc
REEEE
crimson folio
I thoroughly appreciate the Ash gif for Duskworld announcement.
Can all you guys just make a good Evil Dead game next please?
jagged ferry
mod to give the super shotgun a chainsaw hand melee attack when you spin it 🤔
vague egret
inb4 evil dead mod
jagged ferry
i'd take that mod as its own thing tbh
especially considering rn the super shotgun is one of the weapons where spinning does nothing melee wise
crimson folio
Oh Dusk would be a brilliant game for an Evil Dead modhhhmmmmm...
Melee combat gotta be good though or throw it out
opal plover
Sword is good so we're on the right track
opal plover
Also we need to be able to fast fire the lever action
viral gate
One idea was to have reloading weapons take longer if the chainsaw arm was equipped, whilst having a standard reload with the hand attachment
jagged ferry
ok so does anyone actually not like the wendigos?
tbh the only enemy i can say i don't really like are the flying fireball shooting whatevers and that's mainly because sometimes i fire a hunting rifle right into their fucking chest and it just phases through them
opal plover
Wendigos are one of the best enemies
opal plover
I think rats are fine
opaque spindle
no
jagged ferry
exactly, you can't
opaque spindle
When you say change my mind it makes no one want to change your mind
Because its obnoxious as hell
and no one wants to interact with someone who says that
jagged ferry
imagine getting that uppity over a joke
opaque spindle
Just say your piece and if someone wants to argue it then fine but don't be a twat lol
opal plover
Don't see what the big deal is with them
mild chasm
"Change my mind" is a meme, Reb you big green loser
opaque spindle
If you had to moderate this shithole every day you'd get mad at jokes too 
I know it is
mild chasm
I would not mention his name he's a political figure
opaque spindle
thanks foster
jagged ferry
i don't have the proper emoji on this server to express my frustration so
opaque spindle
jagged ferry
@opal plover because they're tiny and their hitboxes are dumb and they do too much damage for their size
though ig that last one kind of makes sense
opaque spindle
Could just tell me to fuck off and move on that works
jagged ferry
they don't even look like rats
opaque spindle
I'd be perfectly happy with that
jagged ferry
yeah but that's not as fun
opaque spindle
I find it kind of fun
jagged ferry
i'm not you
jagged ferry
fuck off reb move on
opal plover
Do they do too much damage?
jagged ferry
actually they might not i don't remember
mainly because i don't pay too much attention to exactly how much damage i take from any enemy
jagged ferry
wh
why did that--
shit
ok it wasn't that
...well anyway
they're just very frustrating to deal with
in tight spaces
and outside of tight spaces it's just like "ok well."
the rats are just sort of there and they're not fun to fight or anything
opal plover
Yeah I agree game would pretty much be the same without them
jagged ferry
well
opal plover
Apart from E1M3 and E3MS
jagged ferry
damn
opal plover
damn
jagged ferry
that's how removing rats works
opaque spindle
honestly never saw the problem with rats
opal plover
E3MS should have been regular monsters with a ton of rats
opaque spindle
They're such a braindead enemy they're piss easy to deal with
jagged ferry
ManniaccToday at 20:26
E3MS should have been regular encounters with a ton of rats
yeah i could see that working
jagged ferry
RebToday at 20:26
They're such a braindead enemy they're piss easy to deal with
exactly, when they're not boring they're frustrating
mild ginkgo
i mean e3mS had to be that way for the reference
that dungeon in the base game was all rats
so it was reflected in the level
mild ginkgo
opaque spindle
Doom 2 obviously
opal plover
It should have had those ribcages with the green lights tbh
Would have looked cooler than 85% of the level's architecture
opal plover
Also never found E3MS frustrating
jagged ferry
i didn't find e3ms frustrating either
opal plover
Because unlike E1M3 you have the mortar
jagged ferry
but there's some parts where they just come out of nowhere and it's like "okay fuck you too then"
even if it's not on duskmare
mild ginkgo
put it this way, id rather the levels people complain about be secret levels instead of main ones
jagged ferry
true
opal plover
Yup
jagged ferry
but e3ms is really boring
which is really out of place especially in e3
it feels more like an episode 1 secret level tbh
not to mention how it drops you into blasphemy is just
wait what
to be fair, dim slough to old time religion is also pretty weird
it goes from night all the way to evening
opal plover
Nah it's just really cloudy
jagged ferry
and then by e1m7 it's night again
ManniaccToday at 20:31
Nah it's just really cloudy
is it?
opaque spindle
opal plover
Makes more sense
jagged ferry
it always seemed more like night to me
opal plover
Same skybox as E2M1
jagged ferry
ok well if it's just funky clouds then e3ms really is a gigantic outlier
opal plover
Also E1M7 makes sense
jagged ferry
ManniaccToday at 20:32
Same skybox as E2M1
it's quite a bit darker though
opal plover
I think that's just an illusion
jagged ferry
yeah i didn't mean e1m7 doesn't make sense
i meant e1ms doesn't
but if you're right (and you could be) then ig e1ms does make sense
opal plover
Oh yeah right
jagged ferry
which, again, makes e3ms a giant outlier in almost every way
opal plover
Also imagining E1M3 as being all wet from the rain in E1M2 kinda ruins the athmosphere
Now that I think about it
jagged ferry
why
but yeah i skip e3ms now
i might go back for the soap and completionist one day but that day is not today
opal plover
Yeah E1MS (right) and E2M1 (left) do share the skybox
jagged ferry
ah ok so i'm dumb then cool
good to know e2ms isn't the only secret level that actually properly flows into the next level
also tbh e2ms' entrance into e2m5 arguably makes more sense then e2m4's
opal plover
Yeah
jagged ferry
because why would some secret lab entrance that opens up with a tiny hallway, a little sign, and the world's tiniest reception desk have a giant evil looking entrance hall of death meant for cyberdemons
i mean, it's cool
but what the fuck?
meanwhile in e2ms it's a tiny little half-collapsed hallway with white walls
like yeah ok see this makes sense
it's inconspicuous and the walls aren't a totally different colour. or *material.
opal plover
Anyway, the thing about E3MS is that before ep3's release it looked super cool https://twitter.com/DaveOshry/status/1057128181201756160
Like some sort of arcane citadel
jagged ferry
"E3MS turned out to be one of my favorite levels in DUSK." -Dave Oshry
ok, so that was a fucking lie.
opal plover
HE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
opaque spindle
Dave likes things everyone hates
mild ginkgo
dave is a HUGE fan of CRPGs
thats something you should know about him
like massive mega fan
opaque spindle
Dave doesn't seem like he would have the patience for one lol
mild ginkgo
id argue that dude probably likes CRPGs as much or more than retro fps
jagged ferry
the inner machinations of dave oshry's mind are an enigma.
mild ginkgo
i mean theyre really cool games
and he probably grew up with them
idk you ask him
@gleaming berry why do you like crpgs?
opal plover
Ratacombs
sly path
Dave is weird.
echo hedge
Just met my first Wendigo, that was... fun
atomic egret
one of the game's best moments
jagged ferry
dusk has a lot of moments you could call "one of the game's best moments"
jagged ferry
dissing e3m9
tamale this is bravo 2-6, i have a target for your fastmovers
nah but seriously i get why you don't like it
i loved e3m9 though
opal plover
I don't hate E3M9 but I don't love it either
Super fun though
But I still think a Serious Sam 3 guardian of time style gauntlet would have been better
Although you could bhop past everything
opal plover
I mean tbh even just having a bunch of arenas that open up instead of the waves in a single arena I would have liked better
jagged ferry
well i never played serious sam 3 so i don't have that to compare it too
opal plover
ye
noble breach
almost finished the game (at e3m7 atm), and all i can say is wow... this game is just phenomenal. no other game has caused such a rollercoaster of emotions in a long time, i wish it would never stop fucking my mind as it did through the first playthrough, but i know it will never be the same again
getting a bit sad cause i know it will end soon... i need more !
viral gate
In due time my dude, hell have a look at TrenchBroom to keep you busy in the meantime
noble breach
oh i've actually been learning TB2 lately with dumptruck's tutorials, and been thinking of starting a project after finishing dusk
got a lot of inspiration of its brilliant level design
viral gate
Nice, I've been slowly chipping away at it as well, Dumptrack's videos are great
noble breach
yeah, and TB2 seems much easier to get into than i thought a map editor would be
my only experience before it was doombuilder couple years ago. couldn't get quite into it mostly because of how restrained it is compared to others
gleaming berry
E3MS still looks just like that?
It didn't change lol
That's the first room
Its the Weeping Stone Catacombs from Torment made 3D
Ish
opal plover
I know
It just, out of context and with a bit of imagination it looked way cooler, no one's fault of course
delicate sail
Replayed the campaign again recently. Damn, so good, especially when playing it from beginning to end in one go. Always feel kinda silly when bouncing around like a mad gymnast after beating Nyarlathotep tho. Floating to the center in front of his face or something would make it a little less silly 😁
delicate sail
DUSK about to hit them 3000 reviews woo
agile helm
now, should I try to make one completionist run on Duskmare of the last episode
or make one regular 100% kills and secrets run and then just make one Untouchable run
to test my patience, or to make it slower
or will it be slower if I make two runs?
opal oyster
grand zodiac
Dad I'm hungry
maiden zinc
"Are we there yet?"
One of spoiler's 1000 forms turns around and stares at dusk-kid
"SOON"
That's how homecoming happens
jagged ferry
||if fire is a tornado, does that make dusk dude's family the mongolians||
grand zodiac
what
jagged ferry
homecoming
grand zodiac
k
maiden zinc
I don't get it
Sorry
jagged ferry
the house in homecoming with the frog basement
that's implied to be ||the dude's old house||
you know what nvm
the joke's not that funny anyway
maiden zinc
Well, I guess that's why the Horror's are so amphibian-like?
echo epoch
Dusque
jagged ferry
no. stop.
graceful wing
Duskette
echo epoch
I can't believe that Spacemen guy in voice couldn't spell Dusk because he was drunk lol
jagged ferry
C E A S E
opaque spindle
Dusucky