there is also going to be more comic and art stuff going foward
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
red gale
foggy wadi
the crossbow is super useful imo
red gale
so stay tuned on that as well.
foggy wadi
nice
red gale
cool stuff in the planning on all fronts
foggy wadi
i diduse the mortar a lot against jakob though
fading crane
i found the mortar the most reliable way to actually hit jakob
mild ginkgo
neat!
atomic egret
I do like that
hollow ivyBOT
🔄 DUSK IS OUT!!!
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BUT WE’RE NOT DONE. STAY TUNED FOR NEW FEATURES AND CONTENT SUCH AS:
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MAYBE MORE STUFF???
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dim plank
thanks, shillboi
opal plover
@balmy sluice You mean reflections of violence or burn in hell?
short cradle
thats a weird way to typing Death From Above
dim plank
handgun harmony is best song and Endless is the second best. Prove me wrong
third is the Cutty Mines ambient
crimson folio
handgun harmony reminds me of quake 2
short cradle
additionally, Sacrifice, Twin Terrors, Bleeding Out, and Nowhere are gud
opal plover
Reflections of violence and beneath the altar are the top two for me
frigid pond
Yeah, the dusk soundtrack is pretty much all i've been listening to lately, start to bottom. favorites are emerging more and more, but yeah, it's my new Doom soundtrack, which i listened through most of 2016 - 2017
graceful wing
dusk
abstract skiff
The Twins got me...ohhhh I'll revenge.
frigid pond
that reminds me - it's awesome that the doom-esque friendly fire was included in dusk. watching an opponent waste another while aiming for me got me a lot of good laughs while playing. and once i saw one Twin gib the other on accident, it was awesome!
mild ginkgo
have you tried out a crystal of madness yet?
frigid pond
oh yeah, that's one of my favorite mechanics in the game
mild ginkgo
:)
frigid pond
e3m1 was really cool in that regard, mostly just the sword and the crystals
agile jolt
we need the crystal in duskworld tbh
agile jolt
makes everyone look like big john
agile jolt
we just need physics objects in dm in general
opal plover
(not my idea btw)
agile jolt
dunking people with barrels and soaps would be great
agile jolt
360 nosoap
crimson folio
why Riveter is called Riveter? It doesn't look or act like a riveting tool and the rivets look more like radioactive stakes
vague egret
because reasons
agile jolt
calling it a bazooka is too mainstream
graceful wing
david has no idea what a rivet even is
agile jolt
valve employee: "we need a powerful long-range weapon"
gaben: "what about... a crossbow?"
valve employee: "... have you ever even seen a crossbow?"
gaben: "no, has anyone?"
and that's how hl1 got the crossbow
crimson folio
but HL1 crossbow actually does look like a crossbow
agile jolt
when dusk was still in its beta stages
nobody had actually invented rocket launchers yet
nobody knew what they would even look like
so david was like "fuck it I'll take something that actually exists instead of some sci-fi bullshit"
grand zodiac
Don't worry I got that joke @agile jolt
distant cove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489609176251760640/523374234483949578/image0.jpg Hey lads, I sketched Nyarlathotep
jolly gyro
Cool
jolly gyro
He does huh
distant cove
Lonely treasure-hunter WRECKS Tentacle-sock (circa 1994)
agile jolt
I expect a 20 minute video essay by the weekend
eternal carbon
crypt is one of my favorite ep 3 levels
grand zodiac
david can I get multiple fast fire runes?
to use strategically throughout the fight?
yeeeees
agile jolt
which one was e3m4
eternal carbon
but then again cutty mine is my absolute favorite map so maybe i just have the unpopular opinion syndrome
eternal carbon
i feel like over all of any of the levels, cutty mine has one of the highest skill ceilings
only maybe being beaten by a map like blood and bone
agile jolt
I really liked the map where you were inside the thresher
was the first time the torch broke and was mega spooky
grand zodiac
yeah the infernal machine was spoopy
also e3m7 can die in a fire
te3m8 was pretty mindboggling
agile jolt
was that the gravity one?
grand zodiac
e3m7 was the gravity one
agile jolt
which one was m8
eternal carbon
as above so below
eternal carbon
it starts back at the cathedral, overall its a really good map too
grand zodiac
only thing i didnt like about it was the machinegirls
honestly they are the only enemy that is not fun to fight for me
agile jolt
they get the same reaction from me as shamblers
that is
"OH SHIT OH FUCK OH GOD WHY NOW IN THIS TIGHT SPACE FUCK ME I'M DEAD"
agile jolt
also that map where you had to fight a wendigo in the dark with no torch
grand zodiac
i dont know which one you mean
agile jolt
it was in e3 I think
grand zodiac
ah the one where you fall down the green sparkymachine?
agile jolt
I think so
grand zodiac
i think that was in e2
i just watched a review where someone says elements from STALKER appear later in the game
lmao what
agile jolt
the cyka blyat soldiers
grand zodiac
meh
eternal carbon
i believe elements of turok also show up in the game
agile jolt
what shocked me the most when I started was how much hl2 was in it
with all the physics objects and stuff
grand zodiac
yeah me too
i mean picking up objects and waddling them around is newer than dusk tries to be
agile jolt
well when you're making an "old" game these days
you better make it a lot better than all the actual old games it's inspired by
because you have a lot of years worth of learning
grand zodiac
im not complaining just saying it surprised me
agile jolt
bonking people with physics objects was like the only fun bit in hl2
gotta have it in dusk
all I want is for it to be in deathmatch as well
grand zodiac
Pick up that can.
agile jolt
soap tbh
crimson folio
I believe elements of every game David ever played show up in there 😂
agile jolt
bookworm adventure deluxe
crimson folio
anyone here played Ion Maiden? Another retro FPS game except with good level design
final estuary
are you implying dusk has bad level design 
crimson folio
yeah lol
final estuary
i know
jolly gyro
Hmmmmm
crimson folio
the maps are tinier than my room
jolly gyro
Seems like it
crimson folio
ablobloo muh cirklejerk
hollow ivyBOT
lapis wigeon
jolly gyro
At this point I’m near 100% sure that it’s impossible for retro FPS games to have bad level design.
queen coral
hahaha
final estuary
this is true
queen coral
have you played strafe yet
final estuary
dusk makes good use of older fps level design like monster closets etc
jolly gyro
Plus the generation has GREATLY improved with the millennium edition update @queen coral
queen coral
hmm I might need to check strafe again then
jolly gyro
It started off disappointing but man they’ve improved it a lot
queen coral
that's after I stop getting distracted and finally finish my current project tho
jolly gyro
Imo
final estuary
i tried to make a fuchsia color filter in dusk and as a result i couldn't see shit
brittle lark
use more brightness(?
crimson folio
i'm new here! i started playing dusk yesterday
final estuary
well, welcome
queen coral
glhf jes
crimson folio
thank you!! im in love with the game
i grew up on quake and spent a good 13 years or so playing it almost nonstop lol, quake 1-3
but this style of the game isn't really around anymore and i'm super happy to see it done again and done well. doom 2016 did decently but it didnt fully capture it to me
but, dare i say, so far dusk has even topped quake for me as my favorite fps and im usually super critical about games
frigid pond
@crimson folio didn't you stream UT at one point or are you a different jessica? :D
crimson folio
im different ^^ ive streamed quake though, i never streamed UT though i have played my fair share of that too
frigid pond
ah alright
queen coral
d0216 reveals too much of its hand too early in the game IMHO
it leaves very little new things by the end of it
while Dusk just keeps hammering you with the crazy shit
crimson folio
mhm, this is also a more minor complaint but i didnt enjoy the interruption of action with the cutscenes. that was one thing that really held it back from properly capturing retro fps to me
dusk still tells a story, it just doesnt hand it to you
final estuary
doom 16 has the right amount of modern and retro but dusk just goes full retro
final estuary
the story in dusk is very vague and tells it through the levels
which is genius, really
crimson folio
yeah, i loved doom 2016! its just i generally prefer this full retro style
i also adore the art style, but i cant say i wouldnt be interested in seeing something that is functionally/gameplay full retro like dusk, but visually modern like doom
i think i'd still prefer the retro visual style though. it holds a special place to me after playing games with it for so many years
queen coral
for some reason, probably nostalgia, I really love the look of build era and quake era games
crimson folio
same
i'm excited to play more of dusk
i didnt think i'd ever get so engaged in another shooter like i did with quake
graceful wing
@thorn trout wholesome posting going on here
final estuary
i got dusk for myself on my birthday and it became one of my favorite games of all time
queen coral
I just want to play more Dusk in different ways
that's why I'm modding the shit outta it
final estuary
not the favorite game of all time but it comes really fuckin close
queen coral
can't wait to be done with quake player physics already
frigid pond
i hadn't heard of dusk until i heard andrew's soundtrack. was like "holy shit this is awesome, what is this for?", and now here I am
queen coral
already got basic quake friction and air control/bhop
need to finish ladders, crouching, water, <...>
tho I'll be using Q3A and not CPM
crimson folio
i went in completely blind yesterday
my friend got himself/i a copy as like a late christmas thing
i knew the name dusk, but i'd not really looked into it or knew anything about it
my friend basically told me i'd probably like this since i love quake so much
i went in open minded but i didnt have much that i expected because i didnt know what i was in for
and i was hooked pretty much from the menu with that fantastic soundtrack
then when i got in-game and felt the controls and everything, it just all felt right
if you're doing quake controls i'd love to get that mod when its done
queen coral
I'll @ you when I get a beta ver. done
final estuary
once you complete dusk, you should def tell other people about it
crimson folio
i've already been basically advertising it and convinced a few people to buy it lol
final estuary
one of my friends who isn't even really into retro fps much ended up liking the game
i shilled the game to my entire game design class and to almost all my close friends on discord
crimson folio
thats what ive been doing xD
they prob think new blood is paying me at this point
final estuary
it's the least we can do for dave lol
queen coral
gifted this game once already
but money is hard and I wont be doing much more of that
final estuary
i have gifted four people dusk so far
i held a contest in another server and three winners got the game
crystal vessel
I've tried to gift it to some friends but they don't like when they're given free shit
final estuary
it's free shit
spiral peak
I gifted it to someone but unfortunately they just have terrible taste
crimson folio
dusk is genuinely a gem
my only concern is that it is/will be a bit niche
as much as i hate to say it, arena shooters are pretty much a dead genre
the best chance are titans like doom and quake, but even then, neither of them (in multiplayer) are holding up well. doom 2016 did have a large following for its admittedly fantastic campaign, but i think thats partially because the game did have quite a bit of modernization
final estuary
yeah
it's incredibly niche but hey
this could be the revitalization we need
instead of quake champions supposedly doing it
spiral peak
they said, verbatim
"It just looks like another doom clone"
you know they call them FPS these days right 
crystal vessel
I think two of mine have bought it
crimson folio
yeah, i'll be referring people to dusk[world] instead of quake champions. which is a big thing for me to say. i played quake for sooo many years
but quake champions just... wasnt it to be honest. i played quake at LANs as often as i could and i adored everything. quake live was decent but kinda a step back to me. quake champions felt too casual and too much like it wanted to be a hero shooter than a true arena shooter
final estuary
d o o m c l o n e
wasn't that a term used in like
the '90s when other doom-esque games came out
that were literally doom with changed sprites and music
crimson folio
yeah
which was understandable cause it wasnt entirely inaccurate, but at the same time the technology then was extremely limiting
like.. what more could you really have done with an fps at that time
final estuary
yeah
thorn trout
Ooh someone's modding quake physics into dusk??? That's super cool!
final estuary
you also have a fan, david
crimson folio
final estuary
new blood joined new blood
verbal stirrup
but where is old blood
final estuary
somewhere in wolfenstein
crimson folio
queen coral
@thorn trout that's me
I'm using this framework rn: https://github.com/JohnnyonFlame/DuskMod
thorn trout
You managing to get it working right now or is this for the eventual sdk?
queen coral
I hacked a small mod framework so I can actually start iterating over it
and when the SDK drops I'll slowly port it over
crimson folio
oooo
jolly gyro
May seem obvious but I’m still curious. Would the Escher labs happen to be inspired by the black mesa facility?
The announcer sounds very similar
And the place looks like it kinda
Like the “ALL. MILITARY. PERSONELL. REPORT. TOPSIDE. FOR. IMMEDIATE. QUESTIONING.” And what the announcer voice said in dusk is just too similar in both sound and what they say
queen coral
I mean, military being dispatched to "deal with the situation the way they know best" is a very halflife thing
ugh ofc I need to input my deets on NVidia experience to get a basic recording software
jolly gyro
The soldiers in dusk even look like the hecu marines
final estuary
the announcer is pretty much just jakob talking through the intercom
final estuary
it's half life and that one painting by mc escher
jade root
david literally copied this hallway from thief
final estuary
pfft
queen coral
@thorn trout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG_g_e0TSWQ
this is what I currently have
also @crimson folio I guess
pardon my awful halfbeat
crimson folio
that's looking great 😮
queen coral
I'm still debating with myself how to handle sliding yet, because I'm not a big fan of how Dusk's crouchslide don't let you carry your momentum over
but a slide like there's on QC might make players absolutely too speedy
I was thinking about making the sliding simply add to the player's acceleration
so they'd need to do proper strafing usage to get all the speed out of it
crimson folio
hmm
i think transferring your player momentum into and through the slide would be good
i'm not sure how much speed that would add but i'm gonna be pro-speed really
i think adding the ability to get more speed in more ways is great and can increase the skill ceiling
queen coral
I'm with you there
I'll probably need to hardcap the speed to a sensible limit tho
I can see people abusing the sliding to get some absolutely absurd speeds
its a mod tho so idk why I'm overthinking this before even implementing it
probably only like two people will ever touch it regardless
crimson folio
i think a softcap would be interesting
so like, just as example numbers because i dont know the actual units per second and stuff that this game has
lets say you set a softcap to 500 units per second
after 500 units per second, you can still gain speed but at a substantially worse rate, i.e 1/8 of what you'd normally be getting
that would still allow you to get more and more momentum if you can truly keep your flow going
queen coral
well, both air friction (which is currently none) and the way the physics work are softcaps by themselves
crimson folio
ahh
i'm still new to the game so pardon my lack of knowledge
queen coral
oh no, I mean, in quake itself
also no pardoning, this stuff isn't very obvious either way
so its really ok
it's a lot of nonsensical vector algebra
crimson folio
alrighty
i knew it was a softcap in quake. unsure of how quake champions works though because i simply didnt invest a lot of time in it, so stuff like sliding i'm not entirely sure how it works
i guess the best way would be to look at what quakes doing wrong that makes it almost an exploit
maybe keep the speed caps as it is, but a cap on how much you can get with a certain action? like, you can only gain X UPS through sliding and after that it stops giving you additional speed
so i guess like
a per-action momentum gain cap
you can only gain 500 ups from strafe jumping, 100 from sliding, so on and so forth
queen coral
look here, mr. nvidia was asking for my email
and I told them to fuck off and just used ShareX
crimson folio
sharex is amazing 🙏
queen coral
if I had my desktop at me rn I'd use AMD's recording software
jade root
just use obs
queen coral
yeah its prob a good call
crimson folio
i love obs
queen coral
I forgot you can record with that thing
jade root
obs is good for quick recordings
crimson folio
i use OBS for recording and streaming
with the right settings, it can produce really good results
queen coral
I got used to using ShareX to record small areas of the screen or whatever
so it sorta became part of the workflow already
crimson folio
i've only ever used sharex for screenshots bc gyazo and lightshot can go heck themselves
graceful wing
obs is way better than shadowplay etc
crimson folio
yeah
i do like shadowplay though
sometimes something funny or cool happens and youre not recording
you just hit that shadowplay button and you got it on video
graceful wing
dno about that since i've yet to come across a single game that supports that shadowplay moments feature
crimson folio
😮 it should support any game
unless you mean the shadowplay highlights, that's different
graceful wing
that exactly
agile jolt
johnny you ever played dystopia
queen coral
cant say i have
crimson folio
@graceful wing (sorry for @)
https://beebom.com/how-setup-instant-replay-geforce-experience/
agile jolt
best video game in general ever
and anyone who says otherwise is bad at video games
and isn't willing to spend 1000 hours to learn how to not eat shit in ten seconds
in a 14 year old dead hl2 mod
crimson folio
i've not heard of dystopia, is it on steam
agile jolt
yeah
graceful wing
ye i don't play any of the supported games
agile jolt
don't even need hl2 to make it work
crimson folio
i might try it 😮
hybrid ledge
have quite a bit of time on quake, and am stoked to play this after work. quick question about movement though - from what ive watched it doesn't look like CPMA or regular strafe jumping because the mouse doesn't seem to play any part in the accel.. is that true? just the a+w / d+w?
crimson folio
yeah, the strafe jumping is pretty easy
queen coral
yeah, there's a small bunnyhop speed counter in Dusk
crimson folio
but johnny here is working on a quake style movement mod 
queen coral
whenever you hit jump and you press W+A you gain bunnyhop speed
jade root
the movement is very simple to be as accessible as possible
hybrid ledge
so its like regular strafe jumping but without a mouse req, sounds chill
queen coral
also you have like
jade root
but we got a pro movement mod idea in the works
queen coral
infinite air control
hybrid ledge
oooohhhh! i like that
been on a lot of reflex arena so any air control gets me stoked
queen coral
since Dusk is like, the speed you're moving is basically a bunch of speeds + bhopspeed*wishdir
wishdir being the direction you're holding
crimson folio
i think the accessible movement is actually a good thing
i LOVED quake's difficult strafe jumping
but i think this might be better because it allows more people to be able to do it
which generally increases the speed of the game
queen coral
so you basically just rotate the velocity vector instantly
hybrid ledge
yeah lowering the skill floor for AFPS is a good idea, people are already turned off when i show them other AFPS
this sounds like a nice little intro
queen coral
Dusk is a great intro to arena shooters, you have the basic ideas, but none of the complex movetech
graceful wing
ye hence why it's so simple to do in dusk
queen coral
also an amazing single player experience that helps you get up to speed with the game's mechanics
crimson folio
the movement doesnt have that complexity
yet it kinda emulates it
such as the simplified strafe jumping
overall i think it does a great job at capturing the arena shooter feel
hybrid ledge
so the air control is still that same a+w/d+w but with mouse turning? no need to get rid of "w" because its not like cpma?
crimson folio
yeah you just hold w+a/d and hit jump
queen coral
as long as you hold w+a you can speed
hybrid ledge
damn man thats crazy
queen coral
as long as you don't touch the ground for too long you dont lose said speed
hybrid ledge
im going to go online and literally just hit laps LOL
queen coral
and you have infinite air control
agile jolt
johnny we need you to make a dystopia movement mod
crimson folio
i disappoint everyone i know when i tell people how many hours ive spent in quake games
queen coral
@agile jolt the mod will be opensource and anyone will be able to easily tweak the variables and code to make it work
hybrid ledge
my closest friends are melee nerds/OSU nerds so they appreciate any game with tech lol
queen coral
I never worked with anything Source other than minor model mods
agile jolt
why would I do the work myself when I can tell you to do it smh
queen coral
so I don't have experience with its movements
agile jolt
dys is free
crystal vessel
Shit I probably have that much time put into Doom
agile jolt
come play
hybrid ledge
quake is the melee of FPS please dont sleep
queen coral
you know dad rock? I mean, The doors, etc
hybrid ledge
yeah man
queen coral
well, that's quake
hybrid ledge
LOL
crimson folio
LOL
agile jolt
my dad always played counter strike tho
queen coral
my dad only ever enjoyed playing Descent
hybrid ledge
i know zero father figures that like quake, my dad just plays shenmue and panzer dragoon like a REAL man
crimson folio
i played a shit ton of quake
then in 2016 i tried out csgo and my aim/movement basically carried me
global elite in MM and a+ on esea
graceful wing
family couldn't care less bout games
hybrid ledge
same boat jessica, aim from quake transfers crazy
queen coral
GC 18+ and currently Eagle2
had global but stopped with CSGO
only playing it with friends casually
forgot 90% of the smokes and whatever
my aim is also not very good so idk
crimson folio
same rn
havent played in a couple weeks though
crystal vessel
CS:GO never felt good to me so I can't get into it
crimson folio
i poo'd on that streamer nick bunyun was funny af
queen coral
F2P csgo is a mess
final estuary
csgo is aight
crimson folio
i think right now its a mess but it'll improve bc of the new machine learning anticheat
with some time it'll prob go super fine
queen coral
valve needs better heuristics other than just moment to moment machine learning input
queen coral
so they can catch spinbotters and whatever faster
agile jolt
the whole world goes up in flames
queen coral
people treat vacnet as some black box that will magically ban people, ML only goes as far as it's input quality, and that'll require a lot of commitment from valve
it did really improve the upper ladder tho, wallhackers are still a pita however
agile jolt
csgo has prolly the best anti-cheat system in any game to date tbh
queen coral
hands down, sure
you really can't overstate how many people are iterating over new ideas on csgo hacking
crimson folio
it doesnt ban
it has basically a supercomputer that watches games, detects cheats and submits them to overwatch where the community then determines if people are cheating
according to mcdonald it has like an 85-95% accuracy
so i think one of the issues is that vacnet has is that its reliant on the community
the community doesnt wanna watch games, they wanna play the game
and that, i believe, is where a lot of cheaters run rampant. there are not enough people watching these overwatch cases that are detected cheaters, but not by the fully automated VAC
graceful wing
hacking kind of puts me off MP fps in general
fps is the most hacker infested genre out there
agile jolt
it's lacking in the physics objects
queen coral
it's good, join the dusk-lfg channel
agile jolt
but it's fun
queen coral
and you'll get games every now and then
queen coral
our guy 500 works hard on it, but it's still a tough challenge
hybrid ledge
yeah i apologize if im mucking up the channel with the noob stuff
crimson folio
yeah, cause FPS the easiest thing to cheat in really
FPS games are usually mechanical skill such as aiming, its easy to make a computer automate that because thats on the client
whereas say.. an MMORPG, all of the important data is on the server. you cant just hack a bunch of gear without pulling some crazy stuff
jolly gyro
Anybody who doesn’t use the wendigo or soldier playermodel in duskworld is a cop fite me
hybrid ledge
good way to put it jessica, actually even though it's off topic what you just said is a good analogy for what i like in gaming. if my achievements are stored in a server somewhere as a token of time sunk into the game, as opposed to in my brain mechanically, i usually hate the game
queen coral
there's an entire industry on bot development in Tibia
that feeds into a gold industry
and there's lots of real life money to be had there
crimson folio
yeah
bots are usually all mechanical as well though, like faking actions/movement
i'm just saying that FPS is the most mechanically reliant genre where as other genres wont trust the client as much
queen coral
well yeah
they're different hacking methods, but they're equally destructive
Tibia is an amazing experience if you have one or two friends willing to party up and play with you, but it's nigh unplayable due to botter abuse
I'm not touching the game again because I'm not willing to deal with the bot abuse
crimson folio
does dusk have an anticheat? its a small community right now so i doubt its an issue, but i think its definitely something of concern for the future should the game grow
vague egret
no
hybrid ledge
i just looked up tibia, there is a line in my head for what id put up with aesthetically when playing an older game and MAN is tibia on that line
20 y/o btw
vague egret
we have some ideas but nothing i would define as an anti-cheat
crimson folio
dwarf fortress? 
hybrid ledge
i played about 20h of dwarf fortress, didn't stick
queen coral
if you google tibia you'll only see the really old client tho
hybrid ledge
oh okay, i didn't know there was a new client ill look into it more
queen coral
it's still 2D
but at least it doesn't look like absolute trash anymore
it's a surprisingly fast paced MMORPG if you're willing to put your character at risk to have some fun
it takes two frames of being a dumbass to get your ass knocked down
still I'm rambling, thats #gami_g
graceful wing
right now we're still fully able to handle cheaters by hand
we either stop them from joining any games or mess with them
hybrid ledge
after putting 1.5-2k hours into melee, champ in overwatch, i just can't play MMOs because i need to be able to outplay SOMEBODY to some extent
olive cloud
Does this talk have anything to do with dusk? I mean how did you get from Dusk to tibia
queen coral
I'd love to see a cheater shadowban
graceful wing
i just play games with leaderboards for the most part
queen coral
dude is able to join the server but the server completely ignores his shots
hybrid ledge
@olive cloud my b,
graceful wing
that is totally doable
queen coral
all while saying from time to time on chat: "lmfao I got caught cheating xD"
hybrid ledge
has an fps done multiplayer shadowban? that sounds incredible LOL
crystal vessel
Titanfall?
hybrid ledge
thats really slick actually, cheater hell
queen coral
so entire matches of HvH would happen
olive cloud
Cool
queen coral
if you grief with hacks you should be equally griefed back
and the hvh matchmaking was by far the best one yet
crimson folio
guys we still gotta get Jack Black to play dusk
jolly gyro
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
olive cloud
crimson folio
queen coral
@mild ginkgo what's MyControllerScript.rigidbox supposed to do? I'm assuming it's a shroud around the player to stop knockback when he's on the ground
molten peak
So an article claimed Dusk would be getting a New Game+ feature.
Like, how would that even work?
final estuary
Harder game
I speculate more enemies, tougher enemies spawning in place of weaker enemies, less weapon damage, etc
molten peak
Heh, I was thinking of it all wrong then
final estuary
Possibly new enemy tactics as well
molten peak
I was imagining, "Carry over your loot" like in TW3 or something.
final estuary
That wouldn't make much sense since you can do that from the menu
molten peak
Yeah
That's why I was confused
Guess my paltry 4 hours of sleep didn't wanna make me think
agile jolt
ng+ is a term usually used in games to reflect keeping your equipment and abilities and stuff in a second playthrough
and not a harder difficulty mode
grand zodiac
not always
ng+ can also mean just full eq and upgrades
and i heard in some games it does bump the difficulty up to compensate
molten peak
Yeah, it doesn't always mean the same thing with every game
final estuary
If only you could clear your saved data from an episode just to do it again fresh
Would help with that completionist achievememt
vale oar
viral gate
Whoa
spare cobalt
oh right. Remind me to kick him down a cliff
(not that anyone would actually forget it)
crimson folio
@queen coral I hear you're gonna port your mod to Dusk when the SDK comes. Sounds exciting!
queen coral
It'll be available for download before the SDK drops tho, but using the unnoficial framework
just as the current mods I've done are already available for usage
crimson folio
Ok
queen coral
(and it does sound exiting, I couldn't even contain myself)
wooden aurora
Giant Bomb is going to be playing that Dusk on their livestream soonish
gleaming berry
hybrid condor
that sounds pretty cool
queen coral
that's a good question
hybrid condor
i have a question, does New Blood seek help with the localization of the game?
hybrid condor
omg look at that adorable tposing leatherneck
mild ginkgo
thats in trenchbroom, and is just an early mockup of the fgd
also @hybrid condor it is totally something we are considering, if you are interested in helping email Dave@newblood.games
hammer will work too
agile jolt
it's more of a star pose
mild ginkgo
just as long as you output or convert to the correct bsp version
and obviously we can provide you with options like this
again, trench
yeah zombie is doing great work on that front
both the shots are just mockups, and arent the final product, just for clarification
not photoshopped, but not complete products
naming conventions and appearance are subject to change
yada yada
queen coral
using wellstablished formats and tools is such a baller move
people with previous experience can just hop in and do it
no down time
prisma halo
Well that said, if writing a custom map editor wasn't a time consuming bitch I totally would
queen coral
aside from being a fun project, what is it that you envision that you'd gain from that tho, maybe less of BSP's limitations? but at the scale of Dusk I don't see that being a big factor right
as I'd see, canibalizing from well stablished communities is a surefire way of gaining free momentum
mild ginkgo
theres also the possibility of an ingame editor, which lowers the bar of entry
prisma halo
More control over how we store the data (don't have to conform to a BSP spec)
Extra editor tools tailored for the game
etc
Sure we could fork trenchbroom or something but that seems counterintuitive since it'd fragment the userbase
mild ginkgo
the less someone has to do to get STARTED mapping, the more likely they are to map
and that helps everyone
prisma halo
The biggest pain is lightmapping imo
mainly because I've never written a lightmapper and thus don't know how to generate lightmaps
Which is another big reason for just using existing tools
Sure I could learn how to do it, but I'd rather devote time to getting the SDK done first, and then consider it afterwards
hybrid condor
DUSKBuilder
prisma halo
Duskworldcraft
queen coral
Duskraft
mild ginkgo
theres a lot of maths there too
hybrid condor
DuskEd.exe
prisma halo
ew, numbers
mild ginkgo
lightmapping is quite nontrivial
hybrid condor
MicrosoftExcelButForDUSK
queen coral
raytracing lightmaps: yuck
mild ginkgo
yeppp
so, use wonderful ones like eric's tools
that are basically perfect for what they are
hes done all the legwork, so lets leverage that eh
for those that havent seen them
prisma halo
based ericw
prisma halo
it's often far overstated though
queen coral
cough bethesda cough
prisma halo
there's value in reusing code but dear jesus don't go to enterprise levels of reuse
bethesda level reuse is fine honestly
their problem is the quality of the code they're reusing :^)
queen coral
you can reuse code if you dust if off from time to time
they really don't seem to be doing enough of that
prisma halo
nice
mild ginkgo
👌
queen coral
q3 "shaders" are these multitexturing pipelines right
prisma halo
sorta
to my knowledge a q3 shader from a mapper's perspective is a specially named texture with properties attached to it elsewhere
mild ginkgo
yeah i believe that is the case
hybrid condor
writing a formal email without sounding like a fanboy is hard lol
im curious about the mods people will make for DUSK
im both curious and scared
mild ginkgo
as a small amount of assurance, dave is like the least formal person ever
prisma halo
just include a bunch of memes
mild ginkgo
you can speak to him as if he were a kid at school
prisma halo
you'll be fine
hybrid condor
im gonna fill dusk with latin american memes in its translation muahaha okno
crimson folio
will dusk's mod/sdk support include steam workshop? or is it gonna be more something on sites like moddb/nexus
queen coral
@hybrid condor make it brazillian too then
new Dusk mob
100% latin america approved
rare musk
new blood mob
hybrid condor
sadly i dont know portuguese that much, unless Sopa do Macaco counts lol
but im offering myself to help with the Neutral Spanish translation (or Mexican Spanish as some would call)
hybrid condor
Rush B P90 Manito is Ep. 2
prisma halo
@crimson folio workshop is part of the plan
hybrid condor
omfg someone make a mod for blood where the player is a stereotypical brazilian player of csgo
"ARGENTINO BOLUDITOOOOOOO"
prisma halo
I'm not sure how we're going to handle that for DRM free versions though
not sure if valve let you just download workshop files willy nilly
queen coral
I love how argentina players gradually stopped using that word when it became their nickname
hybrid condor
nah we still use Boludo a lot xP
queen coral
every 4 outta 5 matches with argentinos would end up with people screaming boludo at a brazillian for whatever reason
now its more like 2 or 3
hybrid condor
DUSK: Latino Edition
queen coral
ajajaj siete a uno
hybrid condor
xD
placid pebble
we like to put venezuela as wasteland because si
queen coral
make enemies carry latin america flags, different flags means easier to infight
placid pebble
como venezolano que no ha comido su hallaca :,(
queen coral
and brs near argentinos just start infighting outta the blue
placid pebble
nah, just argentin and brazilians are the one they infigthing
the others are like cousins and just chill like, sup1
queen coral
I've witnessed some mad shittalking in different spanish variations over the csgo years
placid pebble
Peru should be a enemy in the air
flying around like a pidgeon.
and you dont see the trasshtalking of colombians and venezuela
go to they servers of 1.6 i dare you.
queen coral
but then I'd have to download a pirated v. of cs1.6
solar olive
Laughs in spanish
placid pebble
when you are bilingue so can hajahaja
solar olive
Ya se, johnatan XD
hybrid condor
i know alpha is gonna mod some sweet weapons for dusk
placid pebble
like what
queen coral
llama, lo error es proposital (??? my spanish is trash ???)
I don't even remember why is that a thing it's such an old injoke
jade root
!lang
hollow ivyBOT
Please keep all discussions english only! Repeatedly speaking in foreign languages can get you muted.
queen coral
I really want to see a mod to make the machinegun a tommygun
jade root
:(
queen coral
oof
hybrid condor
wasnt someone already working on that?
at least porting BLOOD's tommygun to DUSK
i always forget the name of who was doing that
prisma halo
People seem to miss that the person who posted that video was me lmao
Look at my role
prisma halo
lmao
the tommygun thing wasn't actually running on the SDK
it was me messing around with the normal game project
queen coral
was it a sprite or a model?
prisma halo
model
queen coral
ooo
solar olive
A model, i think.
prisma halo
from transfusion
placid pebble
So you was breaking dusk >:0
hybrid condor
voodoo doll for dusk when? :P okno
queen coral
that's actually a good idea
prisma halo
placid pebble
Aww cuchi thing
prisma halo
it looks horrible and it's hilarious
queen coral
AHAHAH THATS AMAZING
hybrid condor
i totally wanna try that mod lol
placid pebble
that are sickels for hands?
prisma halo
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240432519990738944/524561667082944512/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240432519990738944/524561680634478592/unknown.png
hybrid condor
LMAO THE CROSSBOW
hybrid condor
now i love you even more Zombe
burnt vector
need workshop nowwwww
prisma halo
😏
placid pebble
u can eat vicera with the fork launcher?
hybrid condor
i need to learn 3d modelling again, i wanna mod dusk so badly lol
balmy sluice
Fork knife
burnt vector
play mods togeddur
hybrid condor
soap playermodel for duskworld
queen coral
tho my endgame is the BFS
big fucking soap
launches one big soap that explodes into many soaps
placid pebble
so like that gamemode of tofu of RE2
hybrid condor
hahahaha omg
placid pebble
but with a soap and only soap?
queen coral
gotta port it to duskmod
prisma halo
would be pretty easy, I imagine
queen coral
yeah, it's not like this is a complicated mod in terms of unity code
tho I can't lose focus, first RangerHup, then others
still gotta do quite a few mechanics, and then figure out how to deal with charactercontroller being a pile of trash
queen coral
I was happy af that I found a solution for sliding along walls
then I got hit by a goat midair and was sent flying to the ceiling of the map
good shit unity, good shit right there
hybrid condor
DUSK II: Soap on Earth but with its own engine, mod friendly
prisma halo
The Soap Experiment
queen coral
just build in on top of darkplaces 🤷
hybrid condor
lol
hybrid condor
Look at his roles
crimson folio
who dropped the soap
flat juniper
I want to make a BFG soap launcher that fires high speed soap in all directions
crimson folio
and the bfg lazers are also soap
flat juniper
you gather the soap in the game to fuel it
spare cobalt
we'd be clean
crimson folio
everything was just soap
crimson folio
it would be cursed
queen coral
you mean me?
flat juniper
Zombie is the SDK dev
crimson folio
fuck i sound stupid
queen coral
if you're not going to burn me at the stake then I'm willing to introduce anyone to the dark arts
tho my methods are unofficial and will be redundant once the SDK drops
here's the current state of affairs: https://github.com/JohnnyonFlame/DuskMod
queen coral
it's just downloading the mod framework, setting up the work environment, and then start cranking content
no IL or CE required
I didn't either, then I started modding
now I'm here
spare cobalt
dont think you really need to code if you just want to toy around with parametres
or change models etc
queen coral
I learned by tinkering with everything I can get my grubby mints at
it also helps to put your work out there for others to see
prisma halo
Any Unity game can be "modded", Dusk just happens to be getting an official solution for doing so that doesn't rely on external tools and doesn't need to worry about code changes
opaque spindle
things
spare cobalt
yea you can toy around as much as you want but if it turns into ruining it for everyone else :/
spare cobalt
without the modding communities of old vidya would be even worse off than it is lol
queen coral
and if anyone finds it fun to play with, that makes me double more happy with it
spare cobalt
uhh
queen coral
because there's people being paid for that
spare cobalt
lol
queen coral
and they're pretty good at it
and I don't want to step into their territory and start a pissing contest
there's multiple ways to see things, and you can never know
yeah, that's why I actually talked with peeps before going out and releasing things
spare cobalt
if you have an idea, post it in #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk and if a dev says "mod it in" thats pretty much it haha
we see that line pretty much every other day
hybrid condor
Ey johnny may i add you?
queen coral
sure
hybrid condor
I hope Dusk gets lots of mods going from awesome to ridiculous
Kinda like what we got with original Dooms
prisma halo
I mean, I'm not expecting doom-tier amounts of mods but I certainly hope we get a lot
spare cobalt
lol we are definetly gonna see alot of mods and user created content in general
glass turret
Hi, I exist
spare cobalt
ofc not doom tier but seeing how many people here are waiting for the SDK to start playing around with it
prisma halo
NO PRESSURE
spare cobalt
xD
hybrid condor
We have faith in you Zombe!
queen coral
no pressure man none at all 👀 just watching
glass turret
I like this game so far. Just met the wendigoes. They were fun
crimson folio
Saw this, thought of you 😍 😍 😍
past dawn
Id like to "hup hup hup" in that beauty
hybrid condor
E2M1 intensifies
hybrid condor
HUPMAN
crimson folio
hupMann
hybrid condor
question are there plans on adding a way to delete saves from Dusk? i have like a bit too many lol
would share a screen if allowed lol
mild ginkgo
you can delete them manually, but yes, we'll probably be adding an in game deletion option
hybrid condor
i end up having to deactivate steam cloud because it downloads the saves again after i delete them lol
also i just bugged the game ended up having 51 shotgun ammo lol dunno how i managed that
mild ginkgo
@hybrid condor you can re enable steam cloud and just delete the saves while the game is running, then close the game, and it will sync the deleted files
hybrid condor
yeah i could try that
gleaming berry
hybrid condor
omfg lmao
distant cove
Recommend any good mods for Dusk?
mild chasm
I'm sure the place is gonna get flooded with people mentioning cool Dusk mods and crap like that when the SDK finally comes out
Probably gonna be quite a few people who'll even keep posting progress updates on their own mods
slate edge
BIGJOHN model when
hybrid condor
SOAP PLAYERMODEL WHEN
fading crane
bleach, baking soda and vinegar, ammonia, borax, dish soap...
so many possibilities
lapis wigeon
Thats a cool looking cool S you have there
fading crane
lol tide pods
spare cobalt
why the fuck is this a thing xD
mild ginkgo
because i had 30 spare minutes one night to model a tode pod, texture it in ms paint, and put it in the game
👀
Twitter
balmy sluice
fair mirage
yo i'll test the fuck out of splitscreen
good luck in advance
you'll prolly need it
lusty fable
Every soldier is big John, every leatherneck is a lilneck, every rat is a big one, every cultists Is a Duke brother.
opaque spindle
Every paycheck a fortune, every meal a banquet
crimson folio
😋 Viscera 😋
hollow ivyBOT
🔄 DUSK IS OUT!!!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/519860/DUSK/
TELL YOUR FRIENDS! TELL YOUR MOM! GIVE US YOUR MONEY!
BUT WE’RE NOT DONE. STAY TUNED FOR NEW FEATURES AND CONTENT SUCH AS:
SDK - MAKE YOUR NUTS WAD DREAMS COME TRUE!
CO-OP - BLOW STUFF UP WITH FRIENDS!
DUSKWORLD CONTENT - BLOW UP YOUR FRIENDS!
MAYBE MORE STUFF???
Don't forget to leave a review. Let us know if you liked or hated it!
haughty ivy
Just hit Episode 3. Plan to start tomorrow. Enjoying the hell out of this game so far.
mild ginkgo
noice
queen coral
Recommend any good mods for Dusk? rn that I know of, publicly released are these two I worked in https://github.com/JohnnyonFlame/DuskMod
but there's no SDK available yet, so any mods are using unofficial channels and will need to be recoded once the proper SDK drops
tame sandal
i cant wait for the SDK
gonna be so good and awful when it drops
so many meme mods
also @queen coral how do we use that?
queen coral
in terms of using mods or making mods
in terms of using, there`s a readme containing general info- the files are on the release area
queen coral
Download the latest version from the Releases, extract it into your "Dusk\" folder
Open the "Patcher\" directory, run the "DuskModPatcher.exe" file.
Copy any desired mod files (".dll" assemblies) into the "mods\" directory
Have Fun!
ie, if you want to use stickies, then you need to download the stickies.dll from the releases and add it into the mods\ folder
do reed by warning tho, if you cherish your saves, back them up
queen coral
if you downloaded a folder with "master" you downloaded the sources
not the binaries
tame sandal
ok so i extracted and placed all the stuff
queen coral
you want DuskMod.dll to be side by side with Dusk.exe
now you run the patcher executable from the patcher folder
in case you want to remove mods, you just need to Verify Cache on steam
if you just want to remove a singular one, delete its dll from mods\
tame sandal
i dont see a DuskMod.dll
tame sandal
in my files there is no duskmod.dll
queen coral
download dm_release.zip
I'll make that a little clearer next time, I wrote the ReadMe in a rush, my bad
tame sandal
where is dm_release?
tame sandal
okie
ive got both of those systems of files extracted so i have DuskMods and mods
thats prolly bad
right?
queen coral
ran the patcher?
tame sandal
oh you can run it?
queen coral
you need to open the patcher folder and run it
tame sandal
yis
queen coral
DuskModPatcher.exe
tame sandal
i double clicked it, just waiting
queen coral
it should've created a backup file and a log file
check if the log file gives you "done"
tame sandal
the exe wont run
queen coral
it wont show anything
tame sandal
think this is an issue on my end not the files
queen coral
it should only create the log file and the backup file
queen coral
did you get the two files?
tame sandal
two files of Dusk?
queen coral
tame sandal
yep
queen coral
so you have the .bak file and the .log?
queen coral
then you're ready to go, drop the mods you want in to the mod folder
tame sandal
ok
but which files have the modz?
i have like 90 files in Dusk bc of all the clutter i made
queen coral
there are two .DLLs there
they are the ones I currently have public
I'm still working on the others
tame sandal
is stickies one of the mods?
queen coral
yes
tame sandal
does it make mortar bombs sticky?
queen coral
tame sandal
nice imma test that out cus its like the demoman in tf2
queen coral
ya it's a fun one to play around with
tho I'll probably try to improve it later on
my favorite one is still No Infighting tho
mild ginkgo
you should probably edit the explosions to add forces instead of set them
tame sandal
so mods\stickies?
queen coral
it makes duskmare a pain in the ass
tame sandal
is that what i want
mild ginkgo
so two stickies will send you further
queen coral
yes, all the dll to the mods folder
prisma halo
500 good points
mild ginkgo
lol
tame sandal
so is it mods\stickies or do i put the csproj in mods?
queen coral
noooo
download the .dll file from the releases
and copy it to the mods\ folder
tripped over my own feet there
prisma halo
hahahaha
mild ginkgo
the Releases tab is where you want to be if you arent planning on editing any of the code
tame sandal
ok cheers imma test this real quick
queen coral
github is meant for sharing code first, and binaries later
so end users always want to click on Releases
and devs should just poke around idk
mild ginkgo
well github is a poorly designed site so thats a big part of it
mild ginkgo
the UX is awfullll
queen coral
I quite love GIthub, I just hate how they don't give more visibility to the release link
they should remember that people actually use the god damned thing to distribute projects
mild ginkgo
i much prefer gitlab currently
prisma halo
GitLab is worse in that respect
queen coral
but still, it's my fault for being lazy and not creating a static github page for my things
prisma halo
There's no concept of releases
prisma halo
You attach files directly to tags instead
queen coral
yeah, that's even more developer centric
prisma halo
Yeah
mild ginkgo
separation of church and state
prisma halo
GitLab is just better all around imo
tame sandal
so any news on he sdk? :> no? ok
prisma halo
but I often use GitHub simply because more people will flock to a project there :^)
queen coral
zombie here is still developing it
prisma halo
I'm working on it like, right now
queen coral
you just can't know when these things are done
tame sandal
thats not rlly news @tender sable
queen coral
it takes a hellish amount of time
tame sandal
wrong @ my bad
tame sandal
nice that IS news
prisma halo
yeah we confirmed that any users making mods that DON'T contain memes will be banned instantly
queen coral
that's why my first mod was a Soap Launcher
mild ginkgo
the biggest revelation was that we can keep steam workshop support
prisma halo
workshop was confirmed like, right at the start
queen coral
then I'm blind
prisma halo
I was just worried about what that would mean for DRM-free releases
queen coral
🤷
prisma halo
which is what we covered in the meeting
turns out there are ways to download workshop mods without steam
mild ginkgo
so any releases will be able to download workshop hosted mods
which was a big concern
tame sandal
the stickies mod is really good and its what ive wanted in dusk for a while but the mortar doesnt fire in a way that lets me sticky hop >.<
mild ginkgo
because we want as little fragmentation as possible
queen coral
how so