Welders, those guys
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
storm cedar
crimson folio
"Dusk doesn't recreate what FPS games were like in the '90s just to do it again. Dusk instead captures how those games feel now in my mind, tinted by 20 years of rose-colored memories. It shouldn't be possible, and it's a remarkable achievement."
fast wigeon
those are fireballs silly
crimson folio
PC Gamer
acoustic oriole
i didnt even know until recently that you can deflect the mamas' grenades
acoustic oriole
i never imagined that would work
fast wigeon
you can deflect anything
acoustic oriole
that's from the PCGamer review isnt it?
cosmic urchin
don't you still take damage from those
storm cedar
Yeah 😄 Takes some guts but reflecting with scythes is useful and fun when it works
cosmic urchin
because i tried it
queen coral
like more setpieces and scripted sequences that don't feel like they are
storm cedar
Maybe not practical except vs. cultist fireballs as far as I can tell
cosmic urchin
oh, not with the sword
queen coral
the sword will also absorve sword hits from the knights too
fast wigeon
deflect is v practical against homing fireballs
acoustic oriole
that's part of what makes DUSK so special. it does a lot of throwback stuff but it doesn't rely on it alone
queen coral
dusk's atmosphere alone sells the game
the retro-fps thing is only the cherry on top imo
acoustic oriole
deflecting with scythes just makes them that much better as a starting weapon
the game has so many things going for it
cosmic urchin
are we talking about deflecting with the scythes or the sword
acoustic oriole
either one
scythes takes some mastering but it's very useful when dealing with assholes like the grand mages
cosmic urchin
because i don't think you can deflect the cowgirl projectiles even with the sword
storm cedar
After finishing the episodes, I'm guessing the meat in Dusk's single player is replaying favorite levels in level select... I'm guessing there aren't speed running leaderboards or similar, just replaying for personal goals and enjoyment?
cosmic urchin
okay, noted
cosmic urchin
i mean again, i tried. i guess i was too close and took damage
fast wigeon
heathen replaying is a big part of the game, ye
acoustic oriole
some grenades hit the ground and exploded, others that were gonna hit me directly were deflected
mild ginkgo
theres a big speedrunning community @storm cedar
queen coral
fast wigeon
i got like 150 hours playing the same fucken levels over and over
queen coral
go fill the leaderboards
I just like replaying dusk on duskmare s'all
fuck leaderboards
storm cedar
I think I read there were some intentional 'sequence breaks' in the level design, I guess an example would be the exploding wall tunnel in the first room in E1M1 that takes you to a ladder close to the level exit.
acoustic oriole
hmm, isn't that E1M2?
fast wigeon
theres a lot of oob tricks that were just left in
cosmic urchin
there's also plenty of ways to propel yourself into the air
fast wigeon
you can skip entire levels by doing some extremely easy tricks
storm cedar
FPS games are pretty insane on speedrunners, every game is different but they tend to be lots of level geometry glitches and skips. Honestly it's very Quake, reminds me of the old Quake Done Quick stuff which was probably the first speedrunning I ever saw.
queen coral
my issue with Dusk's speedrunning is how easy it is to maintain momentum
storm cedar
The bunny hopping is extremely generous, I was never great at it in Quake and it's clearly gentle/intended to be used frequently in Dusk.
queen coral
when the SDK hits I think I might try to port quake physics over
but not rn dont want to waste effort
storm cedar
Also the crouch slide mechanic is fun to use for both evading and getting around, honestly it's kind of unique how good sliding is in this game.
acoustic oriole
the SDK release will be a truly exciting time
queen coral
what I don't like about the crouch is that you don't get to keep the slide momentum
😦
cosmic urchin
^
acoustic oriole
I can't wait for loads of custom garbage masterpiece maps
storm cedar
I'm glad you don't, otherwise you'd never want to stand up, I don't wanna play at crouch height all game
acoustic oriole
I love the sliding in DUSK
storm cedar
Are there going to be episode building features, like map sets or even the Doom-style / level select-style level layout graphic?
acoustic oriole
as demonstrated here in 0:10
I like how that welder was swapped with a soldier btw, so that you can pull that quick run through this hall
fast wigeon
yes anything will be possible with the sdk
cosmic urchin
all i ask is more cool maps to shoot dudes and hup around in
queen coral
things I'd rebalance: some tech to keep sliding speed into a bhop
lower propdamage to make things like throwing explosives a little harder
since you'd need to time them or shoot them for effectiveness
acoustic oriole
imagine someone makes his own campaign for DUSK
storm cedar
Yeah, that's a good gameplay example @acoustic oriole of mixing up sliding and double shotgunning in an open arena 😄 gotta love that
cosmic urchin
or does some silly doom ports
thorn patrol
@queen coral what is func_vehicle
queen coral
it's love in brush form
it's gods gift to counterstrike players
which valve took away
queen coral
@thorn patrol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEgWTqikm-U
thorn patrol
Oh lawd
queen coral
thats func_vehicle
acoustic oriole
it would be kinda intriguing to fight DOOM demons (as sprites) with DUSK's movement/weapons
... for a little bit.
queen coral
people got really damn creative with what you could do with that janky pile of trash that func_vehicle was
crimson folio
attempting ep2 on duskmare fuck sentry guns
cosmic urchin
now that i remember i did launch version episode 2 on CM with intruder mode lol
crimson folio
just taking it one enemy at a time
acoustic oriole
someone should make a U-Damage powerup when the SDK releases
(NOT QUAD, that would be too fucking much)
crimson folio
Berserk would be fun
acoustic oriole
it has scenario specific one liners, just not voiced
crimson folio
enchantment your weapons with soap for a limited amount of time
acoustic oriole
i think that Duskdude being silent ultimately works with the game's atmosphere and storytelling
harsh haven
yeah, I loved the "a demonic creature" when you look a picture of a cat xd
queen coral
I'm going to nitpick and bitch some more here, I hate how you can't jump and shoot mortars upwards
if you jump, the mortar goes forward somewhat
crimson folio
seriously fuck this part
storm cedar
Glad it's not just me. I had trouble with the same room, eventually had to slow walk around the top and snipe/pick off the upper floor enemies (turrets, welders)
crimson folio
fuckin did it
storm cedar
AI doesn't mind aiming through floors and awkward height differences. 😛
Grats 😃 Hop in that thresher for great justice
crimson folio
ep3 is going to be hell on duskmare
storm cedar
I'm never touching Duskmare unless it gets redesigned to be harder without the one-hit death. :p
queen coral
the enemies are mostly a couple wendigos and some assholes that arent that hard to kill or dodge
balmy sluice
Is that a fellow duskmare boy I see?
queen coral
doing it rn
balmy sluice
Good shit 👌
crimson folio
i got 2 more episodes left on duskmare
ep1 was just very nice to you
then ep2 and ep3 is just gonna rip me apart
balmy sluice
It's so satisfying to beat an episode on it
crimson folio
this felt great.
cosmic urchin
@storm cedar i think you'll be waiting for mods then
balmy sluice
Do you quicksave, or do it in one go?
queen coral
quicksaves after the music dies down
crimson folio
i quicksave
queen coral
but not during fights
crimson folio
watch someone add Doom's nightmare mode
storm cedar
I think there's been an arcade FPS or two that mixed up different enemy combinations for its hardest difficulty, e.g. you'd see opponents from later in the game early on and in greater number.
Non-trivial to design but that's a more fun "top difficulty".
balmy sluice
You gotta try running a few levels without quicksaving, that's the best feeling ever
queen coral
the thing is
cosmic urchin
do you really want cowgirls in episode 1
queen coral
isnt Cero Miedo just Nightmare mode?
cosmic urchin
cowgirls in cutty mines
crimson folio
that's what i want
queen coral
might aswell do it santaks
balmy sluice
Do it!
cosmic urchin
infernal had some fun turret placements
are there achievements for intruder mode from start to finish for each episode?
crimson folio
i hate 1st person traps that crush the player
hated it in portal,half-life and shit like that
balmy sluice
At least that's the only part it's used in
cosmic urchin
here's mama
crimson folio
imma just cheese this shit
cosmic urchin
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft
crimson folio
im playing on duskmare i don't feel like getting the keycard and bouncing out
cosmic urchin
oh i know, understandable lol
crimson folio
never mind barrels do zero dmg
echo epoch
I think I'm dumb, I somehow have the OST, but I bought Dusk December 26th, 2017? 🤷♂️ Not complaining but I didn't even bother to look at my DLC because I assumed I needed to upgrade.
cosmic urchin
afaik as long as you got the game in 2017 you get the OST
crimson folio
i didn't get the Ost but i got the game for free from NB's movie night im not complaing besides i want to buy the collector's verison of dusk when that comes out
cosmic urchin
@echo epoch
hollow ivyBOT
"BOUGHT DUSK IN EARLY ACCESS? THIS IS HOW THE FREE EXTRAS WORK:
If you bought the game at any point in early access you'll receive the Dusk graphic novel.
If you bought the game at any point before december 25th 2017 you'll receive the OST.
❗ If you got the game from one of our giveaways or from another source for free you are NOT eligible for the extra goodies ❗
echo epoch
Ah, maybe I remember reading something wrong I the past, I had always figured I'd need to buy the OST when the time came.
Wait
I bought it on the day after xmas
Sorry I can't post images yet
I guess I just barely made it lol
cosmic urchin
or dave didn't care that much
graceful wing
Very possible Dave told the valve guy to just give it to anyone who bought on 2017
cosmic urchin
probably
echo epoch
Pssh
graceful wing
But the official cutoff is xmas
mild ginkgo
it was given to everyone who purchased it in early access before january 10th 2018
cosmic urchin
sounds like something Sue Dave Oshsry would do
crimson folio
is there going to be a physical copy of DUSK in the future?
echo epoch
Oh boy I hope so
cosmic urchin
i mean if ion maiden can get one i don't see why dusk can't
mild ginkgo
theres a planned big box edition, but theres no news on that yet
cosmic urchin
echo epoch
Better be an OG 90s big box with holographic art
mild ginkgo
well 3d realms has the facilities to make their own, we have to outsource boxes
echo epoch
Call John Romero
cosmic urchin
yeah that is true
echo epoch
That's a fairly niche thing to start a company over, but glad someone actually does that.
I guess it's just cardboard and printing
crimson folio
i gotta say e2m6 isn't that bad on duskmare
crimson folio
yeap
cosmic urchin
oh lordy
yeah i imagine it wouldn't be that bad once you clear out the higher catwalks
crimson folio
you have to be careful of roaming solders
queen coral
quicksave-less duskmare while trying to talk over discord: bad idea
crimson folio
you have to use your ears on duskmare
echo epoch
You can only use your ears on Double Duskmare
cosmic urchin
every cultist is a duke
echo epoch
And an invincible noclip rat that follows you everywhere. Again.
cosmic urchin
oh hell yeah
crimson folio
so some SS3 Pirated shit
queen coral
lol
balmy sluice
How are the runs going Johnny?
queen coral
I was streaming it to a friend but he got a phonecall to go to a job offer
lmao
it went as you'd expect from a duskmare run where you're talking in a foreing language over discord, shamefully
echo epoch
Joel from Vinesauce played Unfair Mario, and the green shroom actually kills you in that.
If not the Rat, then the 👻 from the Mines
queen coral
getting gibbd by the 👻 would actually be the funniest shit
I also forgot to verify cache to undo some mods so I was pretty surprised when the rivetter just shot soap instead of rivets
balmy sluice
Actual bfg
echo epoch
I just picture it spazzing out, flipping constantly moving over your body in the death cam.
Have you seen the Soap Dispenser video?
Soap SSG pellets
echo epoch
Oh lame
queen coral
and I have no idea how to make unity ignore collisions in certain rigidbodies
saveless does make the duskmare that more satisfying and tough tho
balmy sluice
@queen coral told you!
I never save anymore on DM runs. Doing it that way feels wrong
echo epoch
I've always wanted a mod to replace the rat sound with the sound sample from Jump Around (32s)
crimson folio
just make them scream like the kamikazes from Serious Sam
queen coral
nooo
please
I can only take so much
that would kill me from a heart attack
in less than 10 seconds
echo epoch
"Ahhhhhhh yourself"
crimson folio
@nocturne umbra now play duskmare
balmy sluice
Yes, please go there to discuss!
queen coral
jeez that pit fight in E1M4 is quite the arena
echo epoch
E1M2 is still a classic favorite of mine. Feels like home going back.
vast tangle
E1M7 is still the best map in that episode
echo epoch
Oh, I couldn't pick a favorite, but yeah for sure E1M7 would be what I'd show someone who had never heard of Dusk
opal plover
Yeah
Although I might think of E1M3 for a more skeptical Quake fan
Is very vertical
echo epoch
There's a map for everyone.
😃
Half-Life fans even (sorta) get one
Plus Episode 4 is Xen, but red
analog fossil
I love e1m2
first map I found all the secrets on
Even compared to e3 levels e1m2 is a banger
echo epoch
Same, but I don't bother with them now, talk about OP. Still, I think that map does the best job of showing off almost everything without spoiling much at all for a potential new player. I think it'd make a great demo level. Good music, great atmosphere, decent combat, not too long, loads of secrets.
Oh, and a few jumpscares of sorts.
mild ginkgo
i think e1m3 is a slightly better vertical slice
vast tangle
Except the hunting rifle
analog fossil
does it not have the hunting rifle?
vast tangle
Nope
analog fossil
almost all the weapons
mild ginkgo
has a boss, multiple keys, overlapping route, jump pads, doom references, and realllly nice atmosphere
echo epoch
I'd agree, but I wouldn't want to spoil much with M3, still, the two levels are at giving a great look into the game all in one go.
analog fossil
I need to replay ep 1 and 2
haven't played the in a while so ep3 was a memory trip
echo epoch
I still think the cliffside secret in E1M3 is one of the more interesting parts of the game, I don't think there's any other bottomless pits like that that are explainable.
vast tangle
Try Cero Miedo + Intruder
acoustic oriole
ep 1 and 2 also went through slight changes which are worth replaying them for
vast tangle
Best way to play IMO
echo epoch
Yup
queen coral
I'd prefer Duskmare if it was more like Ghosts and Goblins
analog fossil
hardcore mode
queen coral
one free hit and then death if you do it again
vast tangle
Duskmare is a gimmick difficulty
echo epoch
That's why I love The Lost in TBOI
vast tangle
Cero Miedo is the real hard diff
crimson folio
ONE MORE LEFT
vast tangle
Much like UV in Doom
analog fossil
Yeah as good as strafe jumping is there's always gonna be a ton of random projectiles going everywhere that you're inevitably gonna hit
fast wigeon
not if ur good
echo epoch
I still stand that the first two difficulties in Dusk are useless lol
analog fossil
honestly beating something on duskmare comes down to luck
fast wigeon
the first two difficulties are for accessibility
queen coral
not if ur good my ass, you need to abuse cover a god damned lot on duskmare, projectiles are really damn fast
crimson folio
@analog fossil no not really
analog fossil
yeah first two are dumb
fast wigeon
theyre there mainly for people with impairments or people very new to games
analog fossil
I usually played I can take it for first playthrough and then cm
echo epoch
Accesible mode is for Kotaku reviewers and people with controllers I guess
fast wigeon
im glad theyre in the game
echo epoch
I suppose TYTD is the same way
analog fossil
anything below I can take it isn't worth playing
mild ginkgo
yeah dorito has it right, its purely there because we would hate for somebody to not be able to have fun because they cant play
we know that its not going to provide challenge for anyone
echo epoch
I am being kind of a gatekeeper I suppose.
mild ginkgo
i think we probably couldve gotten rid of one of the two lower
echo epoch
If some 57 year old man with no gaming experience buys Dusk, I'd rather him have options.
crimson folio
ep3 is going to be hell on duskmare diffuculty
fast wigeon
im glad you named it "accessible" and not "baby mode XD" or some shit
mild ginkgo
thats the entire MO of dusk
echo epoch
But yeah having two easy peasy modes is a little redundant, but if there wasn't too much time spent placing individual spawns for each and such then meh who cares
mild ginkgo
is to have fun the way you want to have fun
queen coral
kudos for whoever chose it
sly path
Yeah it is a good name.
mild ginkgo
if thats beating the final boss with melee only, or flushing enemies down the toilet
mild ginkgo
just have fun
naive wasp
How does duskmare compare to the lower difficulty (forgot its name)
analog fossil
can you do that
echo epoch
Doesn't make fun of the player, but also clearly describes the game mode. Accesible was great.
crimson folio
@naive wasp
balmy sluice
Duskmare is one hit and you're dead
naive wasp
Oh shit
echo epoch
But much like this message, having two easy modes is redundant.
Sorry, I wanted to make that joke all morning.
queen coral
duskmare is INSANE
analog fossil
Cero miedo but the enemies kill you instantly
analog fossil
It's ridiculously hard
crimson folio
also fun
fast wigeon
eh they arent redundant
balmy sluice
Yus
analog fossil
I've gotten pretty far on duskmare endless though
naive wasp
I was playing cero miedo but the first chapter wasn't much of a challenge
fast wigeon
someone might be good enough that accessible is too easy, but the third is too hard
queen coral
its better to have more easy modes for people having trouble
echo epoch
It ramps up quite a bit with Epiode 2.
queen coral
than more harder modes to appeal to the traumatized and unsensitized masochists
echo epoch
I'll totally agree having way more modes is better, one of my favorite parts of Postal 2.
mild ginkgo
yeah the 3 episodes do noooot have equal difficulty
vast tangle
Ep3 is another step up in diff
queen coral
yeah
echo epoch
Random bullshit difficulties are amazing additions to most games.
queen coral
EP3 is crazy
sly path
E1 was balanced with Cero Miedo in mind supposedly and all subsequent episodes were balanced for I can take it?
analog fossil
I can take it is a nice middle ground if you just wanna hop on and complete the campaign with relative ease
queen coral
everything looks like it was balanced for Cero Miedo imo
it just works
the game flows really perfectly
fast wigeon
the best practice with difficulty design, is to design the game around the highest difficulty then add easier versions of that
crimson folio
echo epoch
Dusk with a roguelike mode, and you leave a marker where you died. Complete the game in one setting.
analog fossil
nice
echo epoch
Also nice
queen coral
decal art
analog fossil
nbff is fun
sly path
One game that definitely needs more flexible difficulty options for instance is Project Warlock.
analog fossil
Is there a cap?
vast tangle
LIke Ultra Nightmare in Doom 2016? I would try that
echo epoch
I haven't made decal art since Half-Life on the PS2, or maybe Red Faction.
Yeah like UN
analog fossil
ultra nightmare but you can save
crimson folio
@sly path yes the difference between hard and normal is fuckin stupid
echo epoch
UN in Dusk with a leaderboard
queen coral
first things first, fucking project warlock doesnt have ultrawide support
even tho you can simply edit the resolution with cheat engine and it works
fast wigeon
leaderboards would be dumb
queen coral
also everything is blown out with shader effects and the game ends up looking worse for that
fast wigeon
theyd get hacked within days
sly path
The difficulties in PW go from baby mode, bab mode with three lives and decent difficulty but it's one life per ep.
echo epoch
Why would leaderboards be dumb?
queen coral
I very much prefer the simpler look of Dusk
balmy sluice
NO
fast wigeon
they would need constant maintenance to stop hackers
balmy sluice
LEADERBOARDS ARE SO NEEDED
echo epoch
Could same the same about DW
queen coral
do leaderboards when you have proper demo support
balmy sluice
I've been wanting endless leaderboards forever lol
sly path
Leaderboards more like, you'll need a leader to not be bored.
queen coral
then you can make tools to make sure demos are legit
echo epoch
I want some super leaderboards, too, like "most rat deaths", "total game time", "most hups".
vague egret
Hackers are the reason I think they are a waste of time. It's something we discuss often in meetings
queen coral
motherfuckers get me every time
fast wigeon
most hups would just be the devs or QA
analog fossil
I always play fps on hard for the first playthrough
echo epoch
Maybe Friends Only leaderboards? If you're friends with a hacker that's on you I guess
balmy sluice
I'll gladly manage those leaderboard tbh.
echo epoch
Just go delete the obvious bullshit ones, but still that's just extra work with no way to really verify without demos
opal plover
Well why not have demos
mild ginkgo
the main reason we didnt add them, is we didnt want to half ass it
echo epoch
Are Devil Daggers leaderboards legit? Haven't looked in a while. That game has demos, though.
Also demos are a bitch to do, I'm sure. See: Valve
mild ginkgo
we couldve just done a sloppy quick job with it
but i think that we would rather release something that is finished
balmy sluice
DD does have a good demo system though
echo epoch
For sure, that's an optimized game far as I can tell. Even on my old laptop the #1 demos ran fine.
And there's like 300 things on screen
mild ginkgo
once upon a time dusk was going to have a demo system
maybe the sdk will allow for it
in fact, it probably would
echo epoch
Sounds like something that would need to be part of the game from nearly the ground up
mild ginkgo
there was some early work for it, but its too far gone now
echo epoch
At least with what Zombie and co. are doing, it might return as a possibility.
Still, that's like priority 999 for things I could ask for with the SDK and DW at this moment
But, yeah, knowing how you're doing vs the guy she tells you not to worry about in Dusk is a nice thought
queen coral
a lot of these things could be done and maintained by the community when the SDK drops
echo epoch
Wouldn't you need a server for leaderboards though?
echo epoch
Then buy me one, daddy-o
queen coral
lmfao I'd rent one if I was maintaining it, I'm not a speedrunner tho
outright buying a server for something like this is not a good idea either
analog fossil
why not
queen coral
volume is small enough where renting a smaller server is more cost effective
analog fossil
yeah
balmy sluice
Steam has leaderboards, but Idk how well they would work with a potential demo system
analog fossil
we're not gonna be getting hundreds of thousands on the leaderboards all of a sudden
unless pewdiepie makes a dusk video or sum.
queen coral
wonder how much work is it to validate a demo
ie write a tool to simulate the game and check for inconsistences or something
doing it shouldnt be impossible if you have a good demo system, but doing it effectively without going bankrupt by server costs
hmm
then you'd still have the aimbotting asshats tho
echo epoch
Shouldn't the client just do that itself?
echo epoch
But I don't see Dusk having any real anticheat, there's just not much need with the size of DW's community
queen coral
trusting the client with anything is a one-way ticket into people flying and shooting at a thousand clips per second
analog fossil
and that's a really good anticheat that can tell the difference between someone running a script and ceasepool
echo epoch
And I don't think the effort would be worth it to come up with a demo system, rent server space, and validate demos just for leaderboards. Hence, I think friends-noly leaderboards is fine.
If Santaks has every level beat in 0.01 frames then hey
queen coral
wake up one day and mr. 500 has 9999999999999999999999999999999 hours of time survived in endless
mild ginkgo
lol
balmy sluice
Time survived shouldn't be a factor. Score / kills would likely be what's tracked
mild ginkgo
itd be good if we properly showed how the points system works as well
should probably write it down somewhere
balmy sluice
It's good how highly you're rewarded for playing on duskmare
echo epoch
Hell, write it up here and pin it. I don't play infinite much but I still would love to know how scoring works. I just figured it was kills per minute x difficulty or something similar.
balmy sluice
Nah, it's a bit more complex
balmy sluice
Plus kills are worth more points on higher difficulties
echo epoch
Forgot about the combo. Shows how little I play. While I'm more than glad it's included, I usually just do a few rounds in similar modes in most games and then never come back. Not being able to win is pretty meh for me, but I can see how others enjoy it. Same for L4D's Survival or Devil Daggers. I'll watch the high level folks on YouTube do it for me.
Plus I suck at killing fast enough, even if I can survive for a long while.
balmy sluice
The big appeal of it is leaderboard climbing in other games though
mild ginkgo
yeah im not an endless guy either
although swarmlake is cool
best take on that type of thing imo
echo epoch
Yeah and it feels kinda unofficial to post a screenie/video instead of a real LB, not to keep rehashing.
opal plover
Do you get more points for doing cool stuff
balmy sluice
I need to get that top 10 in that still
echo epoch
You should get points per flip
opal plover
Killing enemies by sliding into them with the ssg
echo epoch
Killing enemies by binding R to a macro
opal plover
Sword stabbing a boneball in midair with the unlocked axis
echo epoch
Points bonus for using headphones
Negative points for music being off
Oh, wait, here's an actual not-shitty mod idea for the future: Killing enemies to the rhythm to score points
balmy sluice
That's a lot of work to make lol
echo epoch
Oh, for sure. You'd have to sequence the tracks individually, and come up with some kind of timer.
Still, bigger mods have been done for other games in the past.
Guitar Hero: Legends of Dusk
balmy sluice
Speaking of which, when is the ost going to get charted for clone hero?
opal plover
First one looks like that game where you hunt witches
queen coral
endless where you can only use the sword m2
opal plover
@mild ginkgo Knows what it is I think
mild ginkgo
Midnight ultra?
opal plover
Yes
queen coral
give me SC55 versions of the Dusk OST plsss
echo epoch
Yeah, pUSSYcREAM, I knew the name was something like that lol
I used Endless 1's midi in that Doom MP map de-make of Holiday a while back.
They did a really good job with it.
queen coral
OPL rendition of that cover
echo epoch
I love the little dink sound
queen coral
yeah I didn't really try fixing the midi instruments
just rendered it using Nuclear Midi
I need to find where my soundfont files are fk
echo epoch
Is that free? Worth a damn? I use FL Studio but would like a simple ass midi-only programs
queen coral
its a library
echo epoch
Oh facepsalm
echo epoch
What did you sequence it with?
queen coral
500_pts posted it
queen coral
some of the instruments later on the track sound really silly tho
rip
it needs a little bit of fixing
echo epoch
Replace the guitar with the dog bark
queen coral
cart dog theme
goodest of boys
fucking harddrive is a mess, cant even find my soundfont files aaaaaaaaa
echo epoch
Boy band is the best insturment
queen coral
the little OPL dink is the best one
echo epoch
Doo doo mother fucker
echo epoch
Yeah, I think even some Doom 2 songs have it if you change your sound device over
It sounds like what a fake OS would have for a click noise
Oh man, the option to change sound fonts in Dusk would be the dumbest but most welcome addition ever
(I know it's not the same thing but still)
queen coral
youd need midi renditions of the tracks tho
😦
the silly and bad soundfonts are really funny to work with tho
echo epoch
Andrew can just steal them from pussycream
queen coral
whip andrew until he gives us SID CHIP Dusk
echo epoch
But yeah I'm sure protools or fl studio would let him save a midi for each track
queen coral
lets do it
echo epoch
Midi wouldn't honestly fit Dusk that well, considering Quake 1's tracks were mp3s or something, but damn that'd be awesome
queen coral
lots of other 90s FPS games had tho
so I'm sure it'd be finee
good for you now be gone
echo epoch
opal plover
UNWORTHY
echo epoch
crimson folio
xd
opal plover
Oh look at mr funny man over here
jade root
Shut the frick up, nerds
echo epoch
What was it that Deus Ex used?
That was like a midi, but better, and still had a tiny size
queen coral
echo epoch
Just sounds like arcade game music
echo epoch
Yeah that. Never would've thought it wasn't an mp3 in a lot of Deus Ex tracks
balmy spindle
Crusader: No Remorse and No Mercy also use tracker music
queen coral
pixel built his own tracker and player for cavestory
and it sounds amazing
also that sounds like arcade because its an approximation of a YM2612/genesis
(and not even the best one, its just a soundfont that tries to be it)
echo epoch
Just noticed something silly in E1M1
If you stand up in the pistol secret room under the stairs, you play the falling sound and can freely flip lol
opaque spindle
Broken Game
unique terrace
Broken game -0/10
bronze jay
tfw you find a secret secret in a secret
crimson folio
PCG says 89 for Dusk. Idk the link rules here but it’s easy to find the review. I am wounded that after I took such care not to say “love letter” in my preview, this writer just flopped it out there like a tool.
balmy sluice
balmy sluice
Head to #507229681246797845
rocky lichen
the crouch toggle bug wasn't possible to be fixed for gold? not a game breaker obviously, and i usually keep my crouch button held down whilst i'm crouching, but it can be annoying in some spaces when he keeps endlessly standing 😋
jade root
literally unplayable
nocturne umbra
Dusk is cancelled
queen coral
the unplayable thing is if you bind use to another key the game keeps telling you to press e to respawn
:v
molten peak
Uninstalled, refunded, reported for cyber terrorism
graceful wing
Bullying on the online
crimson folio
cyber terrorism = large scale cyber bullying?
opaque spindle
He fat
queen coral
how do you like THAT
echo epoch
I'd move to Dusk
Books & Beer
crimson folio
dont let this distract you from the fact that pc gamer gave dragon age 2 a 94/100
opaque spindle
Well they should DA2 is a much better game
crimson folio
i was memeing but whatever lol
opaque spindle
Dusk deserves at the most a 2
harsh haven
Dusk 2 when ?
opaque spindle
As soon as you give me 482 dollars
full sandal
dave said if i paid him $500 he'd hand deliver me dusk
full sandal
that might be on top of trasportation costs
queen coral
I bet PCG didn't even finish dusk
because the strafejump duel is too hard for them on accessible
full sandal
no need to insult the reviewers
while theirs might be the lowest rated up to date review
it doesn't mean that its not valid
queen coral
its a joke, I didnt even read it yet
full sandal
was it PCG that had the cuphead incident?
queen coral
full sandal
ign and gamespot haven't responded to me when i asked them to review dusk >:(
queen coral
this is the most epic gamer moment
I get that cuphead is hard but damn dude not the tutorial
queen coral
no iirc I'm thinking about ONEY PLAYS
full sandal
don't think i have link posting permissions so i pm'd you
full sandal
yw
crimson folio
is it faster to crouch slide or bunny hop?
full sandal
yeah strafe jumping is insane
queen coral
you need to hold w+a to do it, you dont need to do any sort of movement with the mouse tho
while in quake you need to abuse strafe vectors, here you just build speed
theres a counter in the game that goes up whenever you jump while holding w+a
delicate sail
There's also a speed threeshold that's reached after... 4? Strafe jumps?
tall harbor
Ia there a noclip cheat in DUSK? Just asking
delicate sail
Nah
tall harbor
What a shame
delicate sail
The hovering cheat makes oob exploration easier, but it's nothing compared to a no clip cheat
tall harbor
Can I buy it separately?
tall harbor
The intruder edition?
queen coral
yep, you can buy the "Intruder Edition" upgrade
you get both OST and the Graphical Novel
tall harbor
Will do
hollow ivyBOT
🔄 DUSK IS OUT!!!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/519860/DUSK/
TELL YOUR FRIENDS! TELL YOUR MOM! GIVE US YOUR MONEY!
BUT WE’RE NOT DONE. STAY TUNED FOR NEW FEATURES AND CONTENT SUCH AS:
SDK - MAKE YOUR NUTS WAD DREAMS COME TRUE!
CO-OP - BLOW STUFF UP WITH FRIENDS!
DUSKWORLD CONTENT - BLOW UP YOUR FRIENDS!
MAYBE MORE STUFF???
Don't forget to leave a review. Let us know of you liked or hated it!
toxic whale
idk if this is the correct chat to say this but I just finished the Escher Labs and I have to congratulate the whole Dusk team. This game is fucking amazing.
crimson folio
I have come back. I am saying the same thing as well.
toxic whale
And apart form the obvious Thief references in this level. Is the Cutty Mine also a Thief reference?
crimson folio
Not sure, I thought I was somewhat influenced by the first Unreal game.
fair mirage
pretty sure yeah
crimson folio
Also, Wooden Floof Carts.
toxic whale
On the Cutty Mine I'm just talking about the level name, not the level itself.
But yeah there's also Unreal references
modern trellis
Either of the Davids, I'll volunteer to help get Dusk co-op implemented faster. I know version control in git, and have 4 years of Unity experience. Lets do this lol. Will except part time employment as fake shemp.
acoustic oriole
Apart from buying the soundtrack and acing a test, this is what made me most happy this week.
rotund hinge
@acoustic oriole YESSS
I'm literally sitting here thinking, how many more times can I buy DUSK as Christmas gifts this year
acoustic oriole
this is the 3rd copy I gave away
rotund hinge
I've already asked two people and they both said they'd accept, one more emphatically than the other
acoustic oriole
I gave away 2 when chrono had the 2 for 1 deal, but launch had me feeling festive
what makes me so damn excited about this latest copy is
unlike the other 2 copies, the dude actually installed it right away
he's only in E1M1 and he's already telling me how excited he is thanks to the atmosphere and how the game feels
faint kelp
im stuck on the level where you climb up on the walls in the silo
faint kelp
nvm read the sign
balmy sluice
Lol
rotund hinge
Someone referenced the PC Gamer review for DUSK earlier, and I did some hunting
queen coral
LIES
rotund hinge
Wanted to share some good news
sick lintel
when is dusk getting battle royale
rotund hinge
"DOOM" herein refers to DOOM 2016.
Metacritic:
DOOM Metascore: 85 (44 critics)
DUSK Metascore: 91 (7 critics)
DOOM User score: 8.4 (2325 ratings)
DUSK User score: 8.7 (23 ratings)
PC Gamer:
DOOM: 88%
DUSK: 89%
Destructoid:
DOOM: 9
DUSK: 9.5; "DUSK may just be the best shooter I've ever played."
Steam:
DOOM: 92% positive (40,257 reviews), 97% recently (1908 reviews)
DUSK: 97% positive (1644 reviews)
DUSK IS BETTER THAN DOOM WHOA
balmy sluice
crimson folio
oh.
rotund hinge
I know this is kind of comparing apples to oranges -- although DOOM 2016 was faithful, it's not a retro shooter -- but contemporary reviewers of course don't have scores for old DOOM or Quake
and I can't think of a higher honor than outscoring the latest DOOM game, after releasing on DOOM's 25th anniversary. 👏
misty spindle
Am I the only one bugged down by the crosshairs (they're good looking), they seem kinda buggy ?
And also, I would like to have a reset button, and to use numbers to adjust the settings. Does anyone feel the same ? Or am I the crazy kid from the class ?
And also, I personally would have prefer to have health on the left and morale on the right. Plus an option to make the crosshair show health (like GZDoom)
balmy sluice
There is a reset button already. Or are you meaning for settings?
Restart button* I should say.
foggy wadi
it's really weird that they show you numbers in settings yet you can't put in numbers to set it yourself
kinda defeats the purpose
thorn patrol
Man I just wanna say I'm glad I found this community.
I love retro shooters but some of the official DooM communities can be not-nice places, despite their talents.
coarse flint
i've spent time in /r/Doom's discord and it was okay.
thorn patrol
/r/Doom is alright, I'm talking Doomworld and ZDoom.
coarse flint
ah, i have no experience with Doomworld/ZDoom.
thorn patrol
If you visit there, my advice is enjoy the cornucopia of free content and try not to engage the community unless you find a mod author that repeatedly demonstrates they're an okay person.
coarse flint
Fair enough. Unfortunately i have no reason to do that currently cause i don't own standalone copies of Doom/Doom 2. I just have the versions that come with Doom 3 BFG, and i don't think they work with mods.
thorn patrol
Ah.
They can, if they're on PC.
Some mods may have slight compatability issues due to the changes to things like D2M31/M32, but otherwise should mostly work.
coarse flint
@thorn patrol hmm.
queen raptor
gzdoom is the defacto doom wrapper these days.
The only time it's got issues is when you have things like nuts.wad or pretty much everything MarphitimusBlackimus makes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q19sVKcAqIw
I think you run chocolatedoom for the stupid shit? I can't remember.
queen raptor
Yeah. I think that's legit the defining mission for e3.
Best song and actual horror elements.
acoustic oriole
he's talking about E2
queen raptor
Oh, whoops.
misty mica
Yo did Early access people get the soundtrack? It hasn't shown up in my DLC folder
balmy sluice
!dlcfaq
hollow ivyBOT
"BOUGHT DUSK IN EARLY ACCESS? THIS IS HOW THE FREE EXTRAS WORK:
If you bought the game at any point in early access you'll receive the Dusk graphic novel.
If you bought the game at any point before december 25th 2017 you'll receive the OST.
❗ If you got the game from one of our giveaways or from another source for free you are NOT eligible for the extra goodies ❗
fast wigeon
you had to buy before 2017 to get the soundtrack
rotund hinge
I bought the soundtrack on iTunes as soon as I could
and I may buy it a second time on Bandcamp for that delicious flac
@harsh haven Let us know what you think of E2M5 once you finish it
E2M4 was brilliant and definitely an upward curve, but once I played M5, that was the moment that proved to me DUSK was more than a novelty.
graceful wing
whoops think that might have nuked someone's message. sorry bout that
queen coral
the thing that I love most about Dusk is how seamless you switch between playing styles
and how it all just happens out of map design alone
you're encouraged to adapt and overcome
maiden sparrow
this game is goodest
crimson folio
Is DUSK HD really coming April 1st ?
maiden sparrow
.
balmy sluice
maiden sparrow
yes its gonna be amazing
the way the game was meant to be played
4k resolution
and best part
0% nostalgia
brittle lark
i think there are guides for all the dusk achivements
balmy sluice
They've been working since release as far as I know
maiden sparrow
i opened duskworld today, and just got the opened duskworld achievement even though i opened it the release day
also cool how duskworld isnt completely empty now
crimson folio
i dont have the attention span to watch the videos
and i only just noticed the cracks in the walls
also why is E2MS also one of the best levels in the game
balmy sluice
It's so good
crimson folio
... and has one of the best music tracks
crimson folio
i see you are a man of culture as well
graceful wing
#507229681246797845 ep3 talk goes here
slate edge
Is good level, yes.
rotund hinge
E2MS is remarkably rewarding
and yeah, Run is one of my favorite themes in the game
queen raptor
Crypted Chaos has somehow overtaken every other song as my favourite one in the soundtrack.
maiden sparrow
the game glitched and im trying to find barrels and kill myself
pretty fun concept
queen raptor
dusk prophunt
rotund hinge
Handgun Harmony is one that always gets me by surprise, very solid
Murder Machine, Inc. finishes incredibly strong and it opens well
Endless is still one of my favorite songs though. That's the first song I heard, being the first Andrew uploaded to YouTube. I swear I thought it was going to be "the" DUSK theme.
queen raptor
murder machine is special just because big john
crimson folio
even the name of that track is a reference lmao
rotund hinge
I'm not disappointed it's not but it's just that damn good.
crimson folio
'star fuckers inc.'
rotund hinge
LOL
crimson folio
andrew should stop being so damn emo listening to all that NIN 
queen raptor
I don't blame him.
crimson folio
i dont either lmao
queen raptor
He had to listen to Reznor scream for several hours putting together that quake theme cover.
Probably.
crimson folio
very true
maiden sparrow
k the game didnt glitch i just restarted it
im just dumb
still dont know what to do
balmy sluice
What level?
brittle lark
eminem reference in dusk when
maiden sparrow
steamworks
queen raptor
oh god it's the strogg
brittle lark
😔
rotund hinge
str egg
balmy sluice
Steamworks is kind of a maze, are you stuck on any part in particular?
maiden sparrow
theres very coolio music playing
i killed all the intruder guys
and uh
its still playing
no more peoples
thorn patrol
I can't believe how much soundtrack there is
maiden sparrow
i dont think this server is for help with the game tho
flint cedar
Sup
harsh haven
@rotund hinge so, e2m5 was really great, love this kind of geometric play (and Thief reference) 😃
maiden sparrow
all those negative reviews said "unoriginal" and "lazy" but i doubt they even got past the first level
because this game is cool af
rotund hinge
@maiden sparrow The only negative reviews I read were pretty much, "This game is okay, but not for $20"
Imagine the largest criticism for your game being that it's actually good but simply expensive
at <1/3 the price of your average AAA game
balmy sluice
@cold cypress looks awesome!
cold cypress
thanks
rotund hinge
It's their thinly-veiled way of saying "I don't really like it but I wouldn't feel bad about it if the money was insignificant"
Even still, that's also practically the same as "It's not really bad, I just didn't like it."
maiden sparrow
wanna see something funny
wait
frick
hang on
oh wait
you cant post pictures i forgot
balmy sluice
You can link a picture, just not upload files until you rank up on the server
rotund hinge
@harsh haven I'm glad you liked it -u-
My favorite level in Episode 2 honestly. Maybe tied with E2MS.
maiden sparrow
So this was on a youtube video https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383475468042633216/522536742834667548/unknown.png
rotund hinge
E2M9 is fantastic though, and so is Erebus (I forget the number, 6 or 7?)
cosmic urchin
how gggman thought ep2 was the weakest is beyond me
thorn patrol
The city level in E3 is my favorite so far for how Quake-y it is
rotund hinge
Caution: Ep3 spoilers go in its own channel
rotund hinge
Episode 2 has some of the best levels IMO but also some of the weakest
I think Neobabel stands out to most players but I really disliked it for some reason, can't put my finger on it honestly
The level immediately after as well
harsh haven
didn't really like erebus
rotund hinge
Wasn't that Erebus?
harsh haven
yeah
balmy sluice
Yeah
rich crypt
erebus reactor
rotund hinge
yep
cosmic urchin
i could see that with neobabel but blood and bone when it HIT oh my foe the chills
god**
rotund hinge
I like that Erebus is laid out differently. It's very DOOMlike and I appreciate that. And the ending of that level was worth.
I have to say, Erebus and Neobabel are interesting study cases for me
I love Erebus in single player and multiplayer
I dislike Neobabel in both
but both maps seem well-suited to either.
cosmic urchin
the suspense in that level was fuckin perfect is what im saying
rotund hinge
Blood and Bone ended on a very high note for sure
I guess I didn't like the climb as much but it wasn't bad per se
just a bit tiresome
DUSK's combat, in general, is spot-on but Blood and Bone was like a constant trickle
topped at the end with the usual spooky ebb and flow
I wish more of DUSK's levels were designed exactly the opposite
Ebb & flow at the beginning and then an increasing gauntlet of enemies
There's plenty like that in Ep 3 though.
crimson folio
Expansion Pack when ?
rotund hinge
SDK comes out some time in 2019
so user-created levels eventually
Honestly I'm going to see what work I can do now
balmy sluice
Fire up trenchbroom
rotund hinge
^^^ Yep
cosmic urchin
the spooky bit in blood and bone on top of the reveal was when the episode hit its climax for me and the big picture was opened up, so damn excited to replay ep2 with the additions. intruder made it all the more tense
fast wigeon
ggg said ep2 was leagues better than 1 when it first released
i think its just fatigue from playing it so much
cosmic urchin
probably
fast wigeon
i still dont know which ep is my fave
it would be episode 3, if it wasnt for the fact that secrets in ep3 feel like an afterthought
also the secret level
slate edge
I agree it kinda does at times, but as a complete experience, I like it
queen raptor
The whole game fits together quite nicely.
cosmic urchin
episode 2's opener is still one of my overall favorite setpieces. once u realize what the hell those fireballs are it's like OH SHIT.
queen raptor
Can't help but notice how it seems to be david getting progressively more familiar with everything between each episode though.
cosmic urchin
sorry if im being a spaz i just had such a vivid first playthrough of e2
queen coral
E2M1 reminds me a lot about MDK
queen raptor
I'm as bad as you are, probably. You're fine. lol
cosmic urchin
MDK?
queen coral
and there's also the falling/raising tunnels with the stuff going blur around you
which also reminds me a LOT about MDK
harsh haven
the ruins part omg
cosmic urchin
@queen coral MDK?
fair mirage
looks like tophat found a new horrible thing to be his profile pic
queen coral
its an old game
fair mirage
:x
cosmic urchin
abbreviated or is that the actual name
oh wow the palette is
wow
@harsh haven the original wendigos had no footsteps :^)
balmy sluice
Nor did they flicker your flashlight
queen raptor
@fair mirage I'm glad you like it!
cosmic urchin
oh wow lmao
queen raptor
Thanks david you made wendigos worse.
queen coral
@mild ginkgo sorry for the ping,. but the sensitivity thing also happens whenever I connect to a server
queen raptor
E2 spoilers for anyone who hasn't played but this reaction is pretty accurate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy1oLAVT0EQ
queen coral
it keeps reverting back to 0.118
fair mirage
can recommend
cosmic urchin
are there achievements for intruder mode playthroughs?
fair mirage
playin duks in a dark room
queen raptor
Oh man.
You know what this reminds me of?
Lemme see if the logs still exist.
Shit, I think it's gone.
There was a visual walkthrough of doom 3 from quite a number of years ago. In it the guy writing said that he was playing it at basically full volume, in an otherwise empty house by himself past midnight out in the middle of nowhere.
Partway through the playthrough his power went out. He admitted ending up having to call his mother.
mellow robin
hi, the trick is to drink beer or mead. :D
The music gets me kinda in the mood for it ^^
cosmic urchin
that's fair
mellow robin
but figthing gets harder the more i drink. so i think its kind of balanced
cosmic urchin
sounds about right considering the in game beers lol
glad bramble
My God
foggy wadi
1 morale
glad bramble
If Dusk came out in 1998 it would have been as popular as Half Life 1
Maybe even better
mellow robin
yup
glad bramble
Can't wait for coop support next year
mellow robin
😄
foggy wadi
the bot has said it multiple times
glad bramble
I think they have in the post on steam
foggy wadi
that too
queen raptor
@naive token ^
mellow robin
if this happens i have to develop a drinking game
glad bramble
But yeah, anyone knows how long the support for the game is going to last?
mellow robin
that'll be awesome ^10
mild ginkgo
As long as it makes sense for us to support it
queen coral
if you type the sensitivity it ignores whatever you type
if you move the slider it actually sets it
mild ginkgo
I think you have to press enter?
queen raptor
Swords, scythes, crossbow(?)
void flower
Ahh, that makes sense
mild ginkgo
And props
void flower
Real Dark Souls hours