does it add quake style bhopping
#dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
fast wigeon
steep kindle
let me know , i am a programmer!
if I can help i'd love to
it is unity based, right?
mild ginkgo
yeah i mean, when we release the sdk and assets, youll be free to modify it as you wish
steep kindle
oh awesome. thanks!
turbid frigate
There should be a simple test before using the unity engine to figure out wether you're a brainlet or not
mild ginkgo
we would like to include some sample projects along with it, so that you guys arent just left with cold documentation
steep kindle
mmmm documentation
crisp lion
double jumps, and dedicated slide key
steep kindle
i actually enjoy reading docs tbh
opal plover
Yeah I think I'll use the dismemberment mod by default
mild ginkgo
i enjoy reading them when theyre up to date and actually include all the features/aspects
mild ginkgo
yeah the dismemberment could be fun
fast wigeon
or docs that are shit at actually documenting or explaining things
viral gate
pretty sure he means double jumps like CPMA
turbid frigate
Wait so @mild ginkgo were you involved in the creation of DUSK itself?
viral gate
where you can jump twice on ramps stairs and portals
opal plover
double tap lurch in a direction like SW2 and Doot etrenal would be neat
He's the main duskworld dev
dusty snow
Double jumps and uncapped movement speed. Gimme duskpma
fast wigeon
the heck is sw2
steep kindle
500_pts, 1v1?
fast wigeon
oh shadow warrior
steep kindle
just kidding
mild ginkgo
too busy playing rdr2
balmy sluice
He will always cheat if you 1v1 him anyway
turbid frigate
He's he main duskworld dev, yes but was he related to episodes one and two by any chance?
steep kindle
oh shit is that fun? i've been dying to try but no console 😦
mild ginkgo
i mean ive done some optimization, bugfixes, and like a shader for the main game
but thats it
well i also help lead the QA team
opal plover
Is the wavy guts shader also the one for water?
mild ginkgo
which involves the testing and feedback for the game
theyre related @opal plover
they are actually different though
turbid frigate
lemme test it
opal plover
Also it should totally be pixelated like in quakespasm
steep kindle
does anyone play with the pixelisation shader on max?
fast wigeon
doubt it
mild ginkgo
lol thats a bit much
steep kindle
I do
fast wigeon
why
steep kindle
only way to play
balmy sluice
mild ginkgo
very blurry
steep kindle
fov on critical
fast wigeon
shit gives me a headache
dusty snow
Gross
fast wigeon
i dont know how people even play with pixelisation on 2
opal plover
bloom on?
opal plover
You monster
steep kindle
well it's how the devs intended the game to be played!
viral gate
Ew
opal plover
What's wrong with gun movement?
fast wigeon
i always have gun movement on
opal plover
Also bloom is not the intended thing
steep kindle
i know it's default, but so is toggle crouch
mild ginkgo
yeah i keep the gun movement on too
opal plover
Yeah it's unique to dusk
steep kindle
i really like its fluidity and yes it is unique
opal plover
In terms of old school FPSs
steep kindle
i just find it distracting 😦
mild ginkgo
yeah thats why the option is there
steep kindle
maybe i'm too much of a source boi
fast wigeon
toggle is better on your fingers too
mild ginkgo
i also prefer hold crouch in just about every game thats not dusk
viral gate
Gun sway ain't a fan of it
fast wigeon
same unless its a stealth game
fast wigeon
i couldnt imagine having to hold ctrl 90% of the playtime while playing thief
mild ginkgo
in other games crouch effects your accuracy, or stealth
but this game it provides no benefit other than sliding really
viral gate
Reminds me of Timesplitters where the gun shoots in the direction its pointing and it throws me off
fast wigeon
that dont happen in dusk
steep kindle
do you intend to integrate sliding into the movement mechanics more?
viral gate
Having an option for just bobbing would be nice
opal plover
Honestly if I didn't have a button on my mouse bound to ctrl I'd use toggle
fast wigeon
gun movement looks right to me
steep kindle
it looks right, but thats kind of the issue
it sort of exaggerates movements and throws off my judgement to aim
balmy sluice
Try turning down the viewmodel size then
steep kindle
although, that was before I changed my crosshair to a custom one, that has helped.
I have turned it down
it's like 0.6
viral gate
Ew options
opal plover
I mean, try finding something in dusk that isn't exaggerated
Also weapon specific crosshairs feel so right to me
steep kindle
fov 60
fast wigeon
custom crosshairs dont make sense to me in dusk since there are unique crosshairs designed specifically for each weapon
balmy sluice
I have it on like 0.7. That's perfect imo for keeping all the animations and such ob
On*
steep kindle
ok, i'm listening to whats being said, and i'm taking it into account.
so
weapon scale 0.7
weapon crosshairs
fast wigeon
i have all of my options default except pixelisation
steep kindle
weapon movement
fast wigeon
which i put on 0
balmy sluice
But just do what you like man. That's why the options exist lol
steep kindle
yeah?
opal plover
Actually the crosshairs were made before weapon specific crosshairs during developement 🤓
steep kindle
but i want to do what i'm told
mild ginkgo
just find what works for you 🙂
steep kindle
sir
opal plover
We live in a society
fast wigeon
i cant wait for console commands so i can set the fov to like 300
steep kindle
fast wigeon
and have everything look like its 2 miles away
mild ginkgo
i think dusks fov breaks above 180
steep kindle
what would it actually look like at 360 tho
mild ginkgo
you have a few commands for duskworlds console
fast wigeon
opal plover
Also, Fauly, do you use bloom in duks?
steep kindle
no haha
mild ginkgo
and sadly the console cant be used in single player after our engine upgrade, but it will return to you eventually
steep kindle
it gives me headache
mild ginkgo
not that anyone ever figured it out
steep kindle
i'm a delicate flower when it comes to games, everything has to be just right or i flip my shit usually
mild ginkgo
well, see, i cant in case someone saved a build from pre-patch
viral gate
Ayy same fauly! 
mild ginkgo
and even post patch it wouldnt be TOO hard to get it working
its just much more difficult now
opal plover
Honestly what difference would it make now, if someone has a pre unity 2018 build that is
steep kindle
you seem like chill 'indie' devs, would you be upset if i tried to develop an unofficial mod?
steep kindle
lovely:)
viral gate
opal plover
How would one do that though?
mild ginkgo
its just much more of a pain to mod the game without the sdk
opal plover
Huh
mild ginkgo
it requires a ton of work
steep kindle
i realise.
viral gate
Dawn is in the works
steep kindle
but if i have free time why not, i enjoy that stuff:)
viral gate
Good luck
balmy sluice
When can we get v2.0 of the tide pod mod though?
fast wigeon
wait does anyone even still have the pre patch build
balmy sluice
I'm sure someone does
mild ginkgo
mild ginkgo
lmao
steep kindle
oh you made it
mild ginkgo
yeah i think the low quality tide pod texture and model give away the amount of work i put in
mild ginkgo
yeah i replaced the cigar model and texture
and the world models are reskinned corned beef hash
steep kindle
question: is there some kind of achievement or something if you flush the books next to the toilet down every time
cause i keep doing it
balmy sluice
Update on the Eustace mod since we're on the subject. I have around 30 voice lines edited and ready to go throughout ep1 and 2
steep kindle
and i feel like i'm doing something, but fuck knows
mild ginkgo
so the soap
dusty snow
no. have you USED the soap?
steep kindle
and i tried to put soap on my head
mild ginkgo
is the most powerful weapon in dusk
steep kindle
ohhh
fast wigeon
have you thrown the soap at something
mild ginkgo
thats why theres one in every level
steep kindle
no
opal plover
Soap the guardian
steep kindle
let me try now lol
steep kindle
this is getting a bit borderline now
steep kindle
'pick up the soap'
fast wigeon
i found out what the soap does when i was going to do a challenge run where i kill the ep1 boss by only throwing soap
fast wigeon
itll be in options
mild ginkgo
you mustve disabled it
fast wigeon
y axis lock
opal plover
Also enable 6dof because it turn water sections into decent
fast wigeon
yeah, all 2 of them
steep kindle
(:
balmy sluice
drops soap on foot while in the shower
opal plover
😃
steep kindle
what sensitivity/dpi do you guys use?
steep kindle
woah
balmy sluice
Idk
opal plover
Are you trying to find what dpi to use?
steep kindle
just interested in other people
personally i have a decent optic sensor so i use like 2000 dpi and 0.12 in game
how do i stop feeling like i'm losing speed on flips
and also, what do you benefit from it other than feeling like a cool motherfucker?
balmy sluice
Absolutely nothing
opal plover
Yup
balmy sluice
But, in duskworld you feel and look like a cool motherfucker so there's that.
steep kindle
lol alright
is it visible to other players?
also, any way to repair the button for the spike trap:?
mild ginkgo
just reconnect, thats a bug if it disappeared
as for duskworld, you lose speed if you flip
but that doesnt happen in single player anymore
thats a codebase thing, itll likely be ported into duskworld
its just the current state
balmy sluice
Can you still bhop upside down in DW?
steep kindle
i think you can for a bit
i manage to get like three jumps upside down
just from sheer luck
balmy sluice
The most I got was like 3 laps around skylab
mild ginkgo
yeah lol
that flipping slowdown like just recently got removed from dusk
i need to port that code over to duskworld
ill see if i can get that in for whenever the next patch comes
im working on a new map for it
balmy sluice
👀
mild ginkgo
i actually dont currently have a map in the game lol
mild ginkgo
so i figured it was time
balmy sluice
Ok, is it a super serious 1v1 type map, or does it have goofy stuff in it?
fast wigeon
i cant even do 3 jumps upside down
mild ginkgo
goofy
balmy sluice
Awesome
mild ginkgo
although not actually goofy
im designing it with a focus on trying to utilize everything dusk has to offer
fast wigeon
what map is this
opal plover
EVERYTHING?!
mild ginkgo
youll have to wait and find out
opal plover
ALL THE KEYS
opal plover
ALL THE POWERUPS, WATER
opal plover
Yes
fast wigeon
wonder how that will work
opal plover
Well you just pick up the key and you can open stuff
fast wigeon
i mean balance and design wise
balmy sluice
I remember us talking about how you would implement keys somehow.
fast wigeon
if it locks off entire sections of the map then that would be bad because that area of the map would be dead
mild ginkgo
have faith 🙏
fast wigeon
the only way i could see it working is if it locked off powerups
opal plover
Also I wonder how the asthetics of that map would look like
mild ginkgo
just remember Q3 had maps with keys
opal plover
Did it?
fast wigeon
did people play them
mild ginkgo
yes it did
and yes they did
in fact, the very last quakecon quake live championship had that map in the played map pool
fast wigeon
also how would the superhot powerup work in mp
mild ginkgo
the key controls a door that basically made it easier to control two major items via a shortcut
steep kindle
you just build maps with the default unity?
fast wigeon
huh
opal plover
No superhot in DW
well like it could theoretically be possible if it was like MP3 multiplayer
mild ginkgo
yeah thats one thing we'll be staying away from
acoustic oriole
I suppose superhot will also be excluded from the coop, cause how the fuck will it work otherwise LOL
fast wigeon
i think it could work in coop
crimson folio
Killing Floor kinda does it
opal plover
Honestly it could just have it apply to both players
fast wigeon
yeah
acoustic oriole
but then it will feel ineffective won't it?
your buddy moves
and you stop
the desired effect isn't achieved
steep kindle
there are alot of games people want multiplayer but kinda seem ineffective
like i know people fucking want sims 4 to be multiplayer
and it's kind of like, eh
acoustic oriole
lets say you wanna stop
fast wigeon
dusk coop would be rad
steep kindle
it's nice to be with others but
acoustic oriole
and your buddy isn't a mindreader
steep kindle
yeah dusk coop would rock
fast wigeon
which is why its going to be in the game post launch
steep kindle
fuck yeah
fast wigeon
your buddy isnt a mindreader but your buddy will probably have a microphone and a functioning brain
steep kindle
i mean, and inherently with any game you gain a sense of what you should do
especially in coop
fast wigeon
and honestly who is going to play dusk coop with a rando
acoustic oriole
it just makes the superhot powerup look like an even more unnecessary mechanic in a game that's all about moving anyway
steep kindle
ever seen portal 2 coop speedruns? like holy fuck
fast wigeon
who cares, its fun and adds variety
acoustic oriole
coop adds fun to anything
as long as the campaign doesn't suffer to make it possible
thankfully DUSK is singleplayer first
and everything else second
balmy sluice
Just drop me right in my buddy's campaign with double or triple the enemies. Perfect co op
fast wigeon
yee
fast wigeon
and if coop campaign is getting double the enemies i want an option to be able to play that in singleplayer too
opal plover
yeah when coop drops they should add a difficulty between CM and DM
acoustic oriole
call it Badass Muchacho
I'm slowly replaying the first 2 episodes
about 3-4 levels per session
balmy sluice
Just play some endless @fast wigeon
fast wigeon
even thatll burn me out
acoustic oriole
I wanted it to be more visually clear
mild ginkgo
rip
fast wigeon
wouldnt buy it anyway, you gotta wait atleast a month with these kinda games
mild ginkgo
for what?
mild ginkgo
uh, sure i guess
theres nothing to really be informed about
the game is a remarkable work
opal plover
Trust no one, not even yourself
In short don't enjoy games
That's not what they're for
mild ginkgo
with the exception of manhunt 2 pretty much yeah
but this one is a step above their previous work
beyond the scope, beyond the impressive visuals, its just genuinely a really well designed experience
fast wigeon
well i fell for the gtaV hype and didnt end up enjoying it
mild ginkgo
the writing is incredible
the little details, all of it
its more of an immersive sim than an action game
toxic wadi
that sounds incredible
fast wigeon
really?
mild ginkgo
yeah
steep kindle
@fast wigeon thats a shame
fast wigeon
i havent really bothered looking up any gameplay at all since i cant get it anyway
didnt think it would be like an immersive sim
mild ginkgo
when you have to wake up in the morning, grab your coffee, sit around the fire talking to friends as they wake up, go shave and bathe, and head out to find work for the day
it hits you that it is definitely more of a sim, than a brainless shooter
definitely a lot of my favorite parts are the writing
they made it a point to make moral grey areas be some genuinely tough decisions, and they also do an excellent job with social issues/politics
anyways this is more #gami_g than it is #dusk-duskworld-dungeonsofdusk
steep kindle
speaking of dusk
the flips and toggle crouch are really fucking me over
although weapon sway is enabled and is not too bad
how come people only seem to be online like for 20 minutes at a time
i literally am the only person on duskworld right now 😦
acoustic oriole
I can't wait for 1.0 simply for not having to set crouch to C after every update
fast wigeon
cos duskworld is kinda dead except on frag nights
it will get popular again very soon when 1.0 releases
fast wigeon
check #lfg-signup if you want games
mild ginkgo
yeah you just get the occasional games between friends during the day
steep kindle
yeah i'm in duskworld-lfg
mild ginkgo
and theres usually someone willing to play if you ask
fast wigeon
it doesnt really matter
mild ginkgo
i mean not particularly
fast wigeon
no one really uses the duskworld chat
honestly they should be merged into one channel imo
mild ginkgo
yeah its only really there for discussion when people dont want to cut in on sp discussions that may be happening at the time
its no big deal
fast wigeon
not that ik of
mild ginkgo
there might be eventually
radiant venture
armor
fast wigeon
armour
fast wigeon
only sp levels and the first endless map have secrets
opal plover
You'll eat soap then
grand wigeon
Any Aussies here excited for Aus pricing? Or dreading it?
vague egret
graceful wing
^
eternal carbon
real price hours
prisma halo
It could mean we either finally get fair pricing or we get fucked even harder
With the people currently running most major publishers, I'm inclined to lean towards the latter
graceful wing
I mean valve will set up fair conversions
It's all about the publisher
We will always use valve recommended pricing with our games though. No worries there
turbid frigate
We got screwed over when they changed the currency in Israel to... well.. our currency.
Infact when it was first changed (later fixed... kinda..) a lot of games were so fucking expensive
GTA V was about 100 bucks in our currency
Even though it's 60
mild ginkgo
oof
turbid frigate
Indeed
turbid frigate
Wat
spare cobalt
🤷
crimson folio
I have a feeling there will be no announcement for the release date and Nameless City will release without anyone knowing
molten peak
Not really. This is the finished product we're talking about. They're going to advertise to maximize profits
They'll announce a release date other than 
spare cobalt
We will surely know well before it comes out.
is nameless city coming out at the same time as the SDK?
or is SDK added later
molten peak
Not sure
winged otter
im guessing release date on halloween and then 2-3 weeks wait
shut mesa
SDK is later afaik
molten peak
They want to have workshop access, so yeah, I'd assume the SDK would come after ep 3
vale oar
SOON™
molten peak
Can't wait for the meme mods
winged otter
i want more proper and good maps and campaigns
spare cobalt
Oh I can guarantee you that we will get alot of modded single player content :D
so many people here who do modding and deving in general that it's for sure
I mean dusk is the game that made me want to get back to mapping and I haven't properly done that in more than 10 years
winged otter
Dusk is alrealy compatible with Trenchbroom right?
prisma halo
SDK is likely coming 2019
spare cobalt
👍
wasnt it originally planned to be released the same time or did I just understand something wrong few months back
prisma halo
The SDK was never going to release at the same time as Dusk 1.0
It was more of a "fuck it'd be real damn cool if the SDK was ready by then but it's not worth rushing things for"
spare cobalt
ahh ok
rushing is never good and tbh I would be disappointed if dusk was rushed in any way
prisma halo
So would pretty much everybody else, I'd hope
spare cobalt
^
prisma halo
2019 will be an exciting year
I've got some fun stuff planned for post-SDK (unrelated to Dusk)
delicate violet
I'm excited for the SDK probably on the same level as EP3
winged otter
"I've got some fun stuff planned for post-SDK "
developing new game for New Blood? 🤔
prisma halo
nah, that would be fun too though
eternal carbon
zombie is moving into the public transportation simulation industry
brittle lark
rip
crimson folio
episode 1 > episode 2 change my mind
woeful sonnet
Yer wron
fast wigeon
i dont know which i prefer tbh
woeful sonnet
I think chapter 1 holds up more as a simple gameplay focused episode. Like the kind of thing you just jump in and play where as episode 2 feels more like an experience if that makes any sense.
fast wigeon
yeah ep1 is definitely more gameplay focused
doesnt have much story stuff or setpieces
molten peak
Ep 2's atmosphere is unmatched
woeful sonnet
I think they are both pretty neck and neck. But episode 2 is a far more memorable experience.
flat juniper
Definitely. Replayed Episode 1 last week and I think everything after the 4th map I just completely forgot existed
woeful sonnet
@fast wigeon yes
flat juniper
like the weird Quarry map
fast wigeon
cutty mines is meh
flat juniper
in the canyon
fast wigeon
through the gate
woeful sonnet
I remember it all but I've also played through the game 30-40+ hours so
fast wigeon
yeah, through the gate
flat juniper
I was blown away that I didn't remember it
crimson folio
I constantly got lost in EP2
fast wigeon
first 3 levels in ep1 are great, the next 3 are kind of meh, the last 4 are amazing
flat juniper
then again I do have a habit of restarting, playing through 4-5 levels, not playing the game for awhile, and restarting again
woeful sonnet
The only level im not fond of is e1m6 the mines
fast wigeon
e1m7 is one of my fave levels in the game
woeful sonnet
Its ok but
crimson folio
is it me or does this game have a lot of backtracking? like, a lot
fast wigeon
the only time i struggled with progression was finding the pit with the climbing powerup in e2m1
everything else was ez
woeful sonnet
Well for keys and stuff
flat juniper
I mean, there's some optional backtracking, with like the yellow key sections and such
woeful sonnet
But thats not a bad thinh
crimson folio
e2m3 specifically I got lost and had to ask here where to go
crimson folio
turns out the destination was a vry small hatch vry hard to see that was on top of a machine
woeful sonnet
Thats the thresher right?
fast wigeon
its not that hard to see
if you think progression in dusk is obtuse you should try playing thief FMs
crimson folio
the room had a much bigger door that required the red key so I thought I had to backtrack again
flat juniper
if you think progression in dusk is obtuse you should try playing thief
fast wigeon
the example you gave and e2m1 are the only examples i can think of
every other level has pretty obvious progression
which is good
flat juniper
for E2M3's exit, you go into a dark small room to press a button, big red letters say MAINTAINENCE HATCH OPEN and you hear a sound effect from on top of the machine
crimson folio
yeah I didn't spot the smol room
fast wigeon
the entrance to the room could be clearer
crimson folio
the most obvious way to go was the big red door imo
woeful sonnet
I think the general craft of making level design thats not spit in your face obvious but also not painfully obtuse is always going to be a hard balance to strike. It will also depend on the person in question.
fast wigeon
the outdoors part is the best encounter in the game imo
flat juniper
depending on if Dave or David spotted it and thought it was a problem
fast wigeon
dusk is honestly the best ive seen old school fps level design done
crimson folio
I was expecting the lvl design to be more like Quake's on my first time playing it so that must've been why I constantly got lost
fast wigeon
i got lost more in quake than i did dusk
crimson folio
lol how tf
fast wigeon
only in ep4
crimson folio
oic
woeful sonnet
@fast wigeonyes
crimson folio
ep4 was just horrible
fast wigeon
it was
crimson folio
it's 50% corridors
fast wigeon
they felt like shitty fan made levels
crimson folio
and the other 50% are monster closets with those guys that jump around and explode
I think they're called Spawns
or smth
fast wigeon
yeah i hate those
crimson folio
Sandy Peterson can't design levels for shit
crimson folio
people hate most of his contributions for Doom 2
fast wigeon
ik, but i cant help but like it
i like how creative the traps are n stuff
like barrels of fun is such a fun level even though its shit from a design standpoint
crystal vessel
hey you guys talking about dusk
flat juniper
scroll up
crimson folio
Eschter Lebs or whatever it's called is the most memorable level from Dusk imo
fast wigeon
yeah we deviated for like 1 screensworth of messages
fast wigeon
it is the most memorable but its not as entertaining as other levels on repeat playthroughs
crimson folio
Quake has the most straightforward and fun lvl design there is in a 90s fps
at least for the first three episodes
and E4M1
fast wigeon
e4m2 is good also
flat juniper
I don't even remember anything after the first episode of Quake tbh
crimson folio
E4M1 was promising, Sandy took lead starting from E4M2
fast wigeon
mainly because of how jarring it is
like the part where you jump in a pool of water and you fall into a huge hallway
crimson folio
I think E1 is the hardest episode, next to E4
fast wigeon
or the weird ass architecture and logic
e3 is the hardest imo
and the windtunnels level shoulda been the secret level in e3
crimson folio
E4 is only hard because of the bullet sponge enemy abuse
and the overuse of spawns too
there was a Shambler every corner and almost never a good enough weapon to take them down easily
crystal vessel
gam g
woeful sonnet
Yeah shamblers aren't that bad once ypu know how to deal with them
crimson folio
ik they're just big bullet sponges
and I usually had to take them down with the SSG
brittle lark
ep3 boss is a soap
woeful sonnet
Kind of the core philosophy of quake anyways was smaller quantities of harder enemies forcing you to really pick your targets making it a more focused experience than say doom which had hordes of enemies you could easily dispatch
spare cobalt
that works just fine too as long as you get to bail before he jumpstarts you
flat juniper
soap has been the cult leader the whole time, watching you through every level
craggy spire
I'm doing a playthrough of Quake and am up to Chapter 4 and I hate it too. I'm up to level four
That the wiki describes it as "True to its name, it is a fairly large palace consisting of several larger hallways downstairs and many narrower corridors upstairs, which can be confusing for an inexperienced player" says a lot
'it has corridors and other corridors' is a pretty good description of a lot of the levels
spare cobalt
back then things werent spoonfed
these days we have tutorials and markers and it degrades our own imagination and problem solving capabilities
fast wigeon
theres trusting a players intelligence then theres expecting them to navigate a labyrinth of samey looking corridors
like a large chunk of ep4
craggy spire
The other episodes had the same gameplay but the architecture wasn't confusing. There was still backtracking and progressive opening up of areas but it made a lot more sense. Plus there were more, well, rooms.
crimson folio
yeah
the most ironic thing I've ever seen was Sandy Petersen criticizing maps that have too many corridors
opaque spindle
Yeah seriously #gami_g or we start handing out mutes
Can't just ignore what a mod says because you don't feel like moving the convo
opaque spindle
exactly no one is talking about Dusk thats why it doesn't belong in this channel
delicate violet
Speaking of Dusk
I am interested to see how would it play with the arcane dimensions levels
And it mostly has to do with how easy it is to bhop and strafe jump in dusk
flat juniper
the enemies wont port over I would think, nor the guns or how they act
curious to see if someone attempts porting them over and adjusting the gameplay/editing DUSK guns and enemies to fit
delicate violet
Yeah
Just the map design is super good
Hope someone can port the enemies
But I get is a much more titanic task
modern trellis
opaque spindle
Dusk X
crimson folio
Yeah I'm super excited to map with dusk enemies in a true 3d environment... I love Blood but it'd be fun to try a Dusk map. I've got Trenchbroom installed just haven't had a chance today to play with it dang childrens and wife and responsibilities
do your kids play Dusk and classic fps too?
I know mine will
spare cobalt
mine wont play vidya at all and have productive lives
I want my kids to be better than me
opaque spindle
I don't want my kids to grow up like a social introvert like me. I want them to go outside
and not play shitty games like Dusk
shut mesa
"dad please i dont want to do this can we just go back to doing homework"
spare cobalt
I would be so proud ;_;
shut mesa
"YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THIS DIGITAL MACARONI ART AND ENJOY IT" snaps belt
opaque spindle
"AFTER THIS ON TO FINGERBONES"
shut mesa
"i-it cant be as bad as strafe, can it?"
spare cobalt
oh god no "It's goofy time!" came to my mind except goofy is dave
spurting out hype
shut mesa
crimson folio
videogames raised me when my parents wouldn't
spare cobalt
same
spare cobalt
kids grow into john childs
spare cobalt
every time you go over to check the kid in the crib you hear that
slate edge
Whats going on here?
spare cobalt
late night mental images of toddler big johns
slate edge
MENTAL
hexed plaza
I reinstalled for the first time in a while and finally got around to the second episode.
Does Dusk have telefrags, because I think that's how I took down the last boss of the episode. Lmao.
crimson folio
https://youtu.be/bD0g7jMJT84 @hexed plaza sup bud
I also did it on accident on my first playthrough
thankfully I was recording it
that was so funny
hexed plaza
I'm really glad I came back to Dusk for the holiday season.
I forgot how very, very good it was.
And the second episode made me get really excited for the eventual release of the third.
Gonna take a shot in the dark and guess that it'll be released on Halloween.
crimson folio
did you enjoy E2 more than E1?
people r saying it is better than E1 in every way
don't see how
hexed plaza
It's really good.
I'd say it's better than the first, but I like the first as an intro.
The game builds upon itself nicely.
slate edge
E1 is slower paced with more of a focus on exploration whereas EP2 is more about escalation.
crimson folio
I didn't like the lvl design personally but that's probably because I was expecting it to be like Quake's
lol, E1 slower paced than E2?
hexed plaza
I did like how wide open some of the fights in E2 were.
crimson folio
I wonder how it'd turn out if someone remade Quake levels in Dusk
hexed plaza
Felt breddy gud to go wild in an arena.
I imagine they'd still play well.
Also, E1 was a bit too easy on the standard difficulty.
E2 felt a lot more like a challenge.
spare cobalt
90's shooter difficulty curve
slate edge
In Episode 2 I can feel David`s skills in level design improved
hexed plaza
Which makes sense by modern standards, but coming off of something like Blood, Quake, etc, I was expecting something else.
crimson folio
yeah. But I wouldn't expect first episodes to be much challenging
spare cobalt
starts off easy peasy and grows into a challenge
crimson folio
Quake's first episode is like the hardest episode for me after E4 tho...
hexed plaza
Like Blood has a reverse difficulty curve. Lmao.
crimson folio
Ikr
hexed plaza
That first episode is hell compared to the rest.
crimson folio
the first episode doesn't grant you enough weapons to take on the broken hitscanners
hexed plaza
At least they made dynamite the single most plentiful and useful resource in the game.
Bless.
But yea, overall Dusk was fucking excellent.
All the pros of old games without most of the cons.
Not getting lost in the levels was very nice.
crimson folio
the only complain I have is that I personally felt the lvl design was too simplistic even in E2
just me tho, everyone else thinks the opposite
spare cobalt
you seen shots from e3?
hexed plaza
I thought it was good because I didn't get lost like I said.
They have a straightforward design while still feeling open ended.
crimson folio
I only got lost in E2M1 and M3
hexed plaza
And I haven't seen shit from E3.
crimson folio
I haven't seen many images from E3
spare cobalt
I'm keeping it to mimimum. seeing stuff from e3 I mean
hexed plaza
Have they mentioned anything about physical releases?
crimson folio
I don't remember any tho
hexed plaza
I'd love to have a big box for Dusk beside of my copy of Ion Maiden when that drops.
coarse flint
There was a single mention of it on Dave's twitter where he mentioned that there'd be a physical copy of the DUSK comic that's also apparently a thing in it.
opal plover
Yes afaik the big box edition will be a thing
rare musk
It was talked about as a limited edition months ago, but I haven't heard it mentioned in a while
opal plover
Yeah don't excpect it until a while
thorn trout
There's a physical CE that's planned yeah, but that won't be until next year at least
delicate violet
I'd buy that
rare musk
What sort of nerd wouldn't?
elder warren
finished the first two episodes yesterday and now i have a mighty thirst for episode 3
also pretty excited for the modding tools, can't wait to fiddle around with those 👌
turbid frigate
Welcome to the party
mild chasm
At least you might have to wait only a couple months
delicate violet
Don't worry, episode 3 is coming out
turbid frigate
When?
delicate violet
crisp lion
BOOOO
turbid frigate
d e f i n e "s o o n"
crisp lion
it's been done
mild chasm
Might be november might be december
turbid frigate
Huh..
delicate violet
what is for certain is that it will come out
turbid frigate
And the first one to check it out is probably going to be gggmanlives
delicate violet
No, but for real
Game is on the final polish stages
so the wait won't be too long
turbid frigate
Yeah that's what crowbar collective said about Xen 4 months ago
delicate violet
Crowbar collective said
while then stating that they still had a good chunk left to finish
opaque spindle
Xen wasn't pretty much complete 4 months ago
turbid frigate
Ah
delicate violet
Xen was past the half way point
but they said they still had huge chunks left to do
opaque spindle
afaik with Dusk everything is done pretty much its just going through polish and shit
crisp lion
you're not the dev
delicate violet
Reb-gob confirms my fake claim
mild chasm
This is stuff that David himself, Dave, etc. have said about EP3
turbid frigate
A friend of mine said and I qoute "they used shit graphics out of lazyness"
mild chasm
So I guess they're also not the dev
crisp lion
Confirmed in Polish stage, but how far is unconfirmed
delicate violet
Your friend is lame
crisp lion
and will remained unconfirmed indefinitely.
turbid frigate
I know
mild chasm
Your friend is one of those graphics chuds ain't they
delicate violet
The main thing here is that NB wants to have a marketing push for EP3 which is understandable
as is the 1.0 release
mild chasm
Everything has to be ~ ~ ~ ~PHOTOREALISTIC~ ~ ~ ~
delicate violet
so is not only the polish stage, is also the making of the release trailer, deals with valve
turbid frigate
Nope but he said that while graphics isn't everything, it does add
opaque spindle
EP3 will be the 1.0 release afaik
delicate violet
deals with journos
opaque spindle
When EP3 comes out the game will pretty much be done I think
Of course then post game release content will come out eventually™
mild chasm
Co-op, SDK, workshop
mild chasm
Also your friend sounds like he's just covering his tracks there
delicate violet
while graphics isn't everything, it does add
There's a difference between grafix and visual style
opaque spindle
also gotta remember David is a hipster indie dev
He loves that retro look
It would probably be his child if he didn't have one already
Just look at all of David's other hit games
like Fingerbones™
delicate violet
what other hit games
opaque spindle
Dusk episode 3 is just a complete recreation of Fingerbones but with worserer graphics
vale oar
woooo another ep3 talk
delicate violet
vale oar
love speculation shit so much
sly path
I'd rather have Sumo Revise 2.
opaque spindle
trust me I'm as sick of watching you nerds speculate all day as you are of waiting for episode 3
sly path
What about Sumo Revise 2.
crisp lion
maybe had we got a dang annoucement maybe we wouldn't be speculating smh
opaque spindle
Sumo Revise 2 coming 2020
sly path
Do I have to take development of that into my own hands again?
opaque spindle
announcements unironically soon
delicate violet
EP3 is actually a remake of the slaughtering grounds
opaque spindle
So just try and find something to do until then
Instead of obsessing over one video game all the time
crisp lion
but how soon?
opaque spindle
soon enough
delicate violet
crisp lion
Oh wait that's right somewhere in the ball park of shit memes, and vague dates
yea sounds cool
vale oar
COOL™
delicate violet
vale oar
LIGHTNING™
sly path
There's better things you can do, like make your own game I guess. Make the Music Machine 2.
delicate violet
Overload
opaque spindle
or just fill the wiki with all of the bullcrap you yoink out of your ass
sly path
You're going to have to go cold turkey or brew your own.
delicate violet
there's a dusk wiki?
crisp lion
vaguely
crisp lion
semi-official
delicate violet
let's fill it with memes then
crisp lion
NO
delicate violet
memes
opaque spindle
New Blood isn't afilliated in any shape or form
sly path
It already is memes.
opaque spindle
Don't listen to lightning
crisp lion
Dave Oshry was and IS the reason why the wiki exists FYI
opaque spindle
He just wants to feel like he has something to do with a project he has no involvment in
Cool
doesn't mean its official
or semi-offical
Dave says alot of shit
crisp lion
because Curse contacted him, and hew said yes
opaque spindle
I don't care what anyone has said. All I've heard from the good ol admins and some of the devs is that the wiki is not official
vale oar
MAKE IT OFFICIAL
opal plover
What do you mean " the bullcrap you yoink out of your ass"?
delicate violet
Make it official
atomic egret
it's not official, been maintained by the discord community
opaque spindle
See listen to the intern
opal plover
Are you talking about the ost section?
crisp lion
It's official in the sense that's why it was created, and that it's recognised.
no more than that
opaque spindle
Whatever helps you sleep at night
atomic egret
that's not official at all
opaque spindle
^
delicate violet
it's official in our hearts
crisp lion
FYI David doesn't give enough fucks about the lore or whatever for DUSK to maintain a friggin wiki
opaque spindle
fri**in
vale oar
frig_in
atomic egret
nice way to go and try to insult the person who created the game that you apparently care so much about that you think you know more about it than him
atomic egret
you're not doing yourself any favors
opal plover
Only person Lightning has no respect for is David's wife
vale oar
lmao
crisp lion
F
opal plover
SOON
crisp lion
What I meant wasn't that David hates DUSK or cares about it enough, what I meant is:
He isn't exactly writing trillions of pages for nerds
;)
vale oar
"You don't respect Rachael's Secret - you don't respect my wife. You must be wiped out" (c) David 😂
delicate violet
who wants Rachel's secret out tho
opaque spindle
good ol Lightning here
delicate violet
I like that secret
opaque spindle
Gotta love it when someone tells you to remove a dedication to your wife
atomic egret
how sensitive
crisp lion
remove your new city soosk or get su'd by dave
vale oar
soonsk*
delicate violet
You'll go to bed
crisp lion
no u
vale oar
Bedsk
vale oar
go to bed Lightning. Recharge your speculation power
fast wigeon
cant wait for the release date to be early may/ late june so we have to travel back in time to play ep3
viral gate
Oh fuk
steep kindle
why you hide maxspeed value mr devman 
fast wigeon
btw im guessin release date will be announced on halloween
since its "very very very soon"
hollow ivyBOT
fast wigeon
heck i didnt expect you to announce it this early
viral gate
Whoa awesome!
mild chasm
New Blood really are the best at what they do
mild ginkgo
cancelling games?
mild chasm
Yes papa
placid pebble
graceful wing
Any gamers around?
Also save resets may happen after updates. These are unfortunate but there's not much we can do about them currently
fast wigeon
honestly seeing if e3ms2 is real or not is one of the things im looking most forward to with ep3
fast wigeon
i think it is
vale oar
🤔
fast wigeon
daves posted screenshots of an ep1 looking level with a big john in it
i think its real but its a shitpost
rare musk
E3MS2 is totally fake, only E3MS3 through ESMS7 exist
mild chasm
What about an entire secret sequel?
fast wigeon
DUSKS2
mild chasm
I bet that's in there with how long this hack fraud is taking to make this game that susks
rare musk
The seventh map of the 2 level-grouping
fast wigeon
act 7, series 2
mild chasm
Dusk Season 3
vale oar
A7S2
graceful wing
E3ms2 yes
vale oar
"yes" what?
rare musk
haha yes 👌
mild chasm
What about ES4M1?
graceful wing
There's no ep4
mild chasm
It's a secret episode
graceful wing
Dusk has 34 levels
mild chasm
I thought it was 420
fast wigeon
actually its 38
mild chasm
It really only has 2 levels?
vale oar
E3M404: Not Found
fast wigeon
theres e3ms2 and a secret endless map
mild chasm
So you're sure it only has half a level
vale oar
with endless waves of big johns
fast wigeon
the secret endless map is actually real btw
but you cant get to it anymore after the unity 2018 update
it was the e3 endless map
or the pre alpha one
vale oar
u mean that old farm area?
fast wigeon
oh yeah that as well